assassination

[tulip nacelle]

rh guide is most likely outdated, but iv and wowhead should definitely have ma rotation

[copper pine]

As Necro on which spot should I put doomblade ? Back ?

[tulip nacelle]

yes

[plain thistle]

yes, we want doomblade and obedience on cloak, reason= domination socket on the other 2 slots

[low swift]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[keen swallow]

Now that NA can buy packaged soul ash, is it account wide or will I need to be renown 44 with each character and do the quests?

[jolly phoenix]

If anyone’s worried about ash, you can spam farm torghast now. Stick your music or your Netflix on, <10hrs per legendary easy. Get your grind on. 👍👍

[fallen arch]

10 hrs for a leggo?

10 hours of torghast no please just kill me now

[keen swallow]

I just wanna do if its account wide once doing it on one character. One of my toons with 8k soul ash is only renown 30 and dont have the time to get to 42 today lol

[fallen arch]

Imagine not having 20k ash stashed

[jolly phoenix]

Get on it boy. Grind that shit.

As soon as I had doom blade I stopped doing torghast. Swear rogues have the worst powers. Everyone else spamming 100k dps. I made a mw for chilling on and did 150k in 160 gear lol, as healer.

[young nacelle]

yeah i made doomblade and stopped torghast. shits boring

but i gotta grind again now

[grim jay]

rogues have potentially one of the quickest runs possible

[spice spire]

Stealth to boss to collect free ash

Ezpz

[winged veldt]

^

[young nacelle]

[grim jay]

even with the new score shit a run of L9 is like 12 mins for flawless

while some other classes take 20+

[fallen arch]

Certainly not how I experienced it

[loud mason]

When do we get 48 renown btw ?

[inland grove]

So how do we see assassination playing out in mythic plus in 9.1 as opposed to outlaw?

[azure bronze]

next week most likely

when mythic opens

[young nacelle]

[loud mason]

ah, since i cant craft venthyr leggo, wich one should i craft just for hc this wednesday?

[keen swallow]

doomblade

doomblade on back if not made already

[loud mason]

Nah i went rogue in 9.1, wich stats should i make on the cloak doomblade if you woudnt mind telling me 😛

[grim jay]

@fallen arch

[fallen arch]

Crit haste

[loud mason]

aight thanks

[fallen arch]

Cruel if I would have said vers/mastery?

[mental flicker]

Str/Int

[viscid spear]

Dex/Mind

[copper pine]

Krit/ Haste on Leggy cloak ?

oh ok i see

3 msg before 😄

[balmy condor]

spirit/fire res

[teal bloom]

isn't shadow resistance better for sylvanas? 🤔

[spice spire]

Thought you definitely wanted nature Res for the mythic only phase

[plain thistle]

jokes aside I will craft cloak with crit/versa, that way I can play assa/sub without worrying about changing legendary stats

since versa isnt bad for assa

cloak doesnt have that much secondary anyway, not a big deal

[floral shoal]

I wonder how plentiful domination stuff even drops, guess most rogues don't have to hurry to swap Doomblade slots anyway.

[strange python]

should I make doomblade or Zoldyck first as my first legendary? For raiding and M+

[hollow talon]

ah shit can we upgrade new legendary rank this week?

is it worth or no

[heavy roost]

Obedience

[hollow talon]

since we'll all be using obedience

[balmy condor]

obedience isn't out

[hollow talon]

not sure if its worth making doomblade

[balmy condor]

so don't craft this week

[timid cloud]

Obedience isn't out until 48.

[strange python]

I am necro so no obedience for me

[young nacelle]

yeah im holding off on recrafting doomblade but the wait for obedience is

[spice spire]

Diamond hands your ash and embers brethren

[hollow talon]

🔷 👐

[balmy condor]

if you're not considering venthyr then go doom

[strange python]

okay thanks

[hollow talon]

alright saving for obedience it is

we get 3 renown per week?

[heavy roost]

2

[timid cloud]

Sometimes, you just gotta farm 182 soul ash per re-clear of torghast for a new legendary.

[strange python]

was just curious with which legendary I could do m+ and raiding while I farm soul ash for another legendary

[gusty breach]

why cant they let us have 1k per refarm =/

[hollow talon]

oh no so we dont get obedience until 2nd week of mythic?

[spice spire]

First week of mythic raiding

Which is next week

[balmy condor]

I mean you'll be worse in m+ if you make doom, you'll be worst in raid if you make zold

there isn't one option

[hollow talon]

so its 3 renown per week

not 2?

[balmy condor]

yes

campaign gives renown

[spice spire]

2 - 3 - 3

[hollow talon]

alright diamond hands it is then

[spice spire]

Campaign ye

[hollow talon]

💠 👐

[spice spire]

What an absolute king

[strange python]

damn okay, but I noticed I don't even have the Doomblade recipe from Torghast, only Zoldyck 😦

[balmy condor]

into twisting you go then I guess

[strange python]

but it is not up

[balmy condor]

twisting

the endless one

[strange python]

isnt it Mortregar?

[floral shoal]

Go into Twisting Corridors 3 and reset until you get it

[strange python]

at least the tooltip says it

[balmy condor]

mortregar is in twisting

all the zones are in twisting

thats why you can go in and get it

[strange python]

oh lol shit, okay, i'm dumb

sorry

[timid cloud]

Yeah, you just leave TC over & over again until you get Mort & then do that up to the boss floor, then leave after getting your legendary.

[strange python]

great, thanks for the tip!

[long furnace]

bois hide the sims they gonna do balance changes any minute now!

[timid cloud]

Gut Sub so we don't get gaslit into that dogwater spec.

[arctic hare]

I

Don’t think I’ve ever seen an emoji like that

And I don’t think I ever want to see an emoji like that again

[winged basin]

They don’t need to gut it, just play sin lmao. Cause this is mfw I see people playing sub for the first time, in a brand spanking new tier

Mfw and the homies I should say, the kek crew

[strange python]

I think I wouldn't touch sub, I think I'm too dumb for it 😄

[winged basin]

It really ain’t horrible

you gotta go off your own intuition

cause uhh, opinions hurt

[strange python]

@winged basin some people told me it is the hardest spec

or most difficult

[gusty breach]

like....some streamer we know?

[winged basin]

if you are more comfortable on sin, you are going to preform better plain and simple.

[winged basin]

no, not like him.

[gusty breach]

😄

[strange python]

nah a guild mate

[strange python]

okay

[winged basin]

Educated guesses are not what we are looking for here

[gusty breach]

but intuition

😄

[winged basin]

Yeah, not the correct word for me to use I spose

[timid cloud]

Jokes aside, do what you want. I'm not paying for your sub, but I'm not paying for mine with the Subtlety spec, that's all I'm sayin'. People perform on what they're most comfortable on, I enjoy all 3 specs of Rogue, simply because I enjoy the class.

[amber mountain]

The only spec i find difficult is Outlaw, it feels too whack-a-mole. I can play 'sin and sub with my bars/WA turned off and get decent numbers

[mossy crown]

is there a sin cheat sheet knocking about?

[amber mountain]

🙂

[dark basalt]

how good is the Fine Razorwing Quill trinket?

[gusty breach]

i think sub might be cool ,but if i wanna keep my raidslot, i will sin

😄

[tepid iris]

funny story, I was a feral in TBC, and I looooove outlaw for its dynamic style 😉

[dull cloak]

what if you are comfortable with all 3 specs 🤔

[tepid iris]

but, I chase the deeps

[amber mountain]

I think my biggest issue is that the first time I played Outlaw (or it's predecessor Combat) was in 9.0 >.<

[timid cloud]

Then it becomes the real end game. You play what looks the coolest to you & fits your T-Mog style.

[tepid iris]

now I gotta learn to love the dagger.

[jolly phoenix]

Outlaw basically is harder to plan with because of the built in cdr I feel. Otherwise, rotationally, wow is what it is. Which is to say, not difficult. If it was, I wouldn’t be playing it, because I’m a lazy neckbeard. After a day of my kids I’m not gonna be playing a game asking me to recite moonlight sonata on my keyboard.

[gusty breach]

the older i get, the more bm hunter fits me

😄

[tepid iris]

hahahahaha

before I took my break, BM was just getting out of the using the mouse scroll wheel as its major combat addition for steady shot

[inland grove]

is it going to be worth transitioning from necro to venthyr for obedience for M+?

[amber mountain]

Opinion: no, it really isn't. For M+ multi-target cleave is more important than single target

Also... they're so close you should play what you like the feel of

[inland grove]

Ive maxed out both but i actually like the rotation of necro on mythic plus quite a bit more than venth

[gusty breach]

wow servers maintenance extended ? wonder if its gonna be the same for eu servers

[pine crag]

DO IT

[haughty cape]

Hi all!

is it worth to make doomblade on hands or cloak? heard about hands with domination socket

[gusty breach]

cloak

[strange python]

never, NA as always testing for us EU chads

😄

[amber mountain]

[gusty breach]

nice

[haughty cape]

neat, thx!

[balmy condor]

nA gEtS oNe DaY hEaD sTaRt

[strange python]

haha yeah I love this

but we still win almost always

[gusty breach]

i love watching limit_max stream, and he is seeing offline servers

😄

[balmy condor]

The one day head start with 6 hour longer maintenance, and bugged to fuck

Fantastic

[olive peak]

does maim,mangle increase the damage of doomblade?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty breach]

😮

[oak sky]

Yes NA head start

[gusty breach]

big

[balmy condor]

That’s why I mention that it’s only a good conduit with doomblade

[placid cobalt]

this has probably been asked a million times but the proc from the sylv. dagger it's identical regardless of which hand you put it on?

[balmy condor]

but ya know

Who reads pins

[spice spire]

CF in shambles rn

[olive peak]

sudden is supposed to be better from pins but well placed and maim sim higher for me

not by a lot but still

[fallen ginkgo]

the pins can be confusing cause it shows old dates, even if you guys edit them

[balmy condor]

It says 9.1

Idk

[fallen ginkgo]

jup i just found it

[balmy condor]

What am I supposed to do man

[oak sky]

Keep it up

[fallen ginkgo]

yea keep it up and ignore ppl like me, i found it after looking

[amber mountain]

BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!!!!

[fallen ginkgo]

this was just irritating me 🙂

thanks for keeping things up to date, rogue discord is really insane with that! @balmy condor ❤️

[viscid spear]

[oak sky]

I can finally play again later today

Gonna do all the catch up and campaign

[viscid spear]

Have fun with that

[gusty breach]

tbh the way i see pins is different, maybe cuz from pc

[amber mountain]

Maybe it's cuz you're different? 😛

[gusty breach]

😄

[fallen ginkgo]

im always checking dates first, but if pins overall keep getting updated i guess the dates dont matter

[strange python]

pin says doomblade goes on hands while ppl say cloak

[balmy condor]

Yeah the faq pin boutta get retired

Haven’t bothered updating it

[strange python]

ah okay

[dawn ivy]

yo do we know if poisons got bugfixed

[thorny pond]

You'll know soon

nevermind

another 3 hours

[late aspen]

How many enemies does it take for crimson tempest to be worth it?

[spice spire]

Like over PB?

Or in general

If your specced into it, you use it 😛

[late aspen]

Yes, like over pb

[spice spire]

Oh like on huntsman it was a gain

[velvet haven]

Anything over 1 iirc

[tepid iris]

which is most fights, tbh

[spice spire]

So literally +1 prio target. If it’s +1 normal mob, nah

Also high movement it’s a gain

[late aspen]

Okay, so then if you do talent it, you use even in ST?

[spice spire]

Like on sire

Yes

You keep it refreshed ST outside of shiv windows iirc

[runic terrace]

Is there already a BIS list for the powers on Terragrue?

[soft shale]

yea get the three 15%

then if you can get heart or 90% aoe reduc

never get big boi

or i will find you

[spice spire]

Big boi only heard

Time to int raid

[strange python]

do we have any big boy assa rogue streaming the raid?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t call myself big

But I am a boy

And I will stream my shit ass raid

[soft shale]

man some guilds PoV on fatescribe is going to be gold

[spice spire]

Nah whispyr is a big boy fragger

Don’t let him be coy about it

[soft shale]

COME WITH ME

not that one

left left

ah jhonny died toa ball again

[spice spire]

Fatescribe

[odd hazel]

senpai whispyr has spoken

[spice spire]

DIY hole gaming

[strange python]

is it worth it to upgrade the Fine Razorwing Quill trinket or is it poopoo?

[wise gull]

sim but im pretty sure it's bad

[balmy condor]

It’s bad

[wise gull]

^

the man has spoken

[obtuse robin]

catalog cap increased pog

[jovial river]

yo when we make our rank 5 lego, its best on cloak right?

Doomblade leg to be clear

[obtuse robin]

yes obidience on back

in 7 days

if ur a vampire ofc

[odd heath]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[oak sky]

Cant wait to die in phylactery

[gusty breach]

link it baby

[crystal axle]

what are good pvpve talents

[small island]

so is everyone going venthyr already?

[spice spire]

For pvp it’s better to go to #pvp for PvE? It’s in the pins!

[crystal axle]

im a necro btw

[spice spire]

I wasn’t sure what you meant by the original question 😅

[wise gull]

im going venthyr next week

[crystal axle]

pvpve talents

[small island]

pvpve?

[spice spire]

Player versus player versus environment?

[small island]

thats a new onew

[spice spire]

That’s where the confusion is 😅

[kindred shuttle]

yo do you spam crimson tempest ? or u wait 12 sec assuming u had 5 cb CT

[spice spire]

You wait for it every 12

In between (on packs I assume you mean for this) you rupture in between

[kindred shuttle]

in big packs i mean

[spice spire]

It’s also conditional for targets

There’s an 8 target Cap so if you’re pulling all the slimes in PF, CT away king

[kindred shuttle]

hmm

[rapid prism]

im under the impression (after your opener applying ruptures) with 4x targets use CT (unless you need to re-apply rupture, or during a shiv window then it becomes FoN/Envenoms)

[oak sky]

I think ct is higher priority than rupture at 3+ targets

[plain thistle]

almost, you dot 4 garrotes > CT , after that you start spreading ruptures to everything

you can shiv but dont lock into that target

[rapid prism]

i didnt think i needed to say that considering almost every assasination rogue rolls subterfuge in M+ but yes you are right. its garrotes into ruptures into CTs

[tulip nacelle]

no it's garrotes into ct

[spice spire]

Wait thats not what he said

[rapid prism]

wait

[spice spire]

Garrotes into Ct Then rupture as you can at over 3

[rapid prism]

garrotes in to CT into ruptures? what maintain 3

ahhh sory my mistake

[oak sky]

Focusing the shiv target is fine if theyre important to kill tho

[lavish horizon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[worn geyser]

Did they fix the Sylvanas dagger thing where only 1 rogue benefits?

[wise gull]

Yep

[kind talon]

Ye

[worn geyser]

[woven prairie]

in which slot do u want

[wise gull]

c l o a k

[woven prairie]

obedience / doomblade?

[kind talon]

C l o a k

B a c k

B e h I n d

B u t t

[wise gull]

butt obedience

[kind talon]

Sheeesh

[woven prairie]

but mines hidden, is it actually behind my butt then?

[kind talon]

All the way up

⏫

[keen swallow]

Are callings reset tomorrow?

[kind talon]

Today

Wdym

[keen swallow]

for eu

[shadow wedge]

are u guys craft doomblade on cloak then?

[balmy condor]

I'm doing whatever these pins say here

that dude seems like he knows whats up

[oak sky]

Getting my sylvanas dagger today

[shut garnet]

[tame coyote]

which stats u going on obedience cloak when u only play sin? still crit/haste?

[balmy condor]

yuh

crit haste everything

[tame coyote]

okay nice, cause ive red that ppl will go haste vers

guess with offspec sub

[oak sky]

Most gear is probably an upgrade for me anyway

[errant delta]

So is the if your going outlaw sin cov still necro or has venth come out ahead after we all changed lol

[odd python]

Is venthyr viable for all 3 speca?

Specs*

I kran sub top DPS, assa not far behind

[shut garnet]

yes it is viable for all 3 specs

[hollow talon]

just realized we need to do this on mythic week to get obedience

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=63949/shaping-fate#comments

this shit takes so long

[shut garnet]

the weekly quest?

u know maw rares count for the % too right

[hollow talon]

[shut garnet]

its like 1hr TOPS if you're watching netflix on ur 2nd monitor while doing it

no stress

[hollow talon]

okay maybe i did it wrong last week

cause it took me a while

so i juust go blast the maw

like we';re farming stygia in 9.0?

[shut garnet]

well you do what you need

start with all ur korthia dailies, pick up chests nests shrooms and kill rares as ur doing those korthia dailies

then go do the assault, and just check how much % ur missing

and choose wat to do to fill it, kill rares in the maw like in 9.0, go to korthia and open more chests nests etc up to u

[hollow talon]

cool

thats not too bad actually

[errant delta]

So am i seeing this right that sin venth is only like 500 dps under outlaw necro in dungenslice?

[quaint dragon]

yep

[silk thunder]

I don't have enough reps as sin in M+ to come anywhere near that. Blade Flurry too easy.

[topaz minnow]

worth switching covenant to vent today? Are there any catch up system for when u switch covenant to get to 42 tonight?

[silk thunder]

"Tonight" is relative. Sleep is optional.

[hasty crater]

What region u from aswell

[topaz minnow]

sleep is overrated :)))

eu

[hasty crater]

if from EU, ''tonight'' will be rough

u will be done tomorrow morning lol

[topaz minnow]

but are there any catch up systems if u have 42 on necro already? xD

[hasty crater]

no

[topaz minnow]

sadge

[hasty crater]

i mean there are, but not any related to u being 42 already on necro

but u get like a lot of renown from campaign/world boss now

just those 2 things is like 25 renown

[topaz minnow]

i got 40 on vent but yea already did the weekly and korthia on necro

[hasty crater]

I mean if u were already 40 on venthyr u will still be 40 when u swap

[topaz minnow]

yea i know that, i was wondering if its possible to get it 40->42 tonight

[hasty crater]

i think so. Got my 41 to 42 through mythic plus. Dont quote me on this

I swapped first day of last week so did korthia intro and shit on venthyr so idk if that influenced it

[limpid plinth]

If you have not done callings you can get 40->42 from them

[storm blaze]

which legendary is going to use the assa in raid?

[topaz minnow]

yea i got all 3 callings undone

[hasty crater]

i think u can still gain renown

[fallen arch]

Does our nature damage count towards the chaos brand buff? Like, is that considered ‘magic’?

[hasty crater]

dont think so ^not 100% on this though

[oak sky]

I think it actually does

Poisons etc.

I know at least some of our damage counts for chaos brand people have talked about it before

[fallen arch]

Need @balmy condor for this kinda stuff

[balmy condor]

wha happen

[balmy condor]

yes

any damage that is not physical is magic damage

[hasty crater]

well there is ur answer

[fallen arch]

Wait I cant use that whispyr heart emoji?

[silk thunder]

And from high on the mountain wisdom is disseminated

[balmy condor]

also to note, dots like garrote/rupture/dot of CT are physical, but bypass all armor

[fallen arch]

:whispyr:

[balmy condor]

[fallen arch]

Yeah that one

[sonic schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/838654033618272256.png?v=1

cute one

[soft fable]

Is there a doc floating around of what raid mechanics I can cloak/evasion?

[dawn ivy]

not yet

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[dawn ivy]

its not updated to SoD

[young nacelle]

i didnt know there was lists made for that. i just test it myself and see how it goes lmao

[soft fable]

I just do not want to look like a dingus if I try to cloak the beam on eye of the jailer. Planning to just rely on a mage or something for step.

[forest shoal]

Any servers up yet?

[young nacelle]

nope. they extended again

[silk thunder]

Another 2 hours?

[young nacelle]

1

[forest shoal]

ugh

[young nacelle]

up at 3 now. supposedly

[silk thunder]

Felling like the days of old.

Now all we need are login queues and unplayable lag

Ah the memories of patch days

[balmy condor]

feel free to submit anything interesting you find, there's a link to a google form on the first page of the spreadsheet

the intent is that it gets crowdsourced for accuracy and completion :)

[young nacelle]

bet

where spreadsheet 👀

[limber lion]

So Whispyr doesn't have to take the blame and can blame the masses instead

[balmy condor]

so oxi can fucking breathe mostly

[sonic schooner]

[fallen arch]

Oxigen

[balmy condor]

like I did a lot of the early work on that spreadsheet, pretty much all of nathria, then I needed cev for the mythic mechanics and sire stuff and council cause I never saw some of the mechanics

and then oxi was like "yo I'll do some dungeons"

and proceeded to just do pretty much 75% of the dungeons on his own for fun

dude is a maniac

[limber lion]

Yeh he's a beast.

[fiery cape]

btw, reset got pushed back another hour

[autumn frost]

My brother trying to convince me to switch to subtlety.

[young nacelle]

[oak sky]

I was watching max around testing time and he said like everything works on the eye of the jailer beam

Like every immunity damage reduction movement whatever

[fallen arch]

Maybe door of shadows does have use

[oak sky]

Yup

I think you can step to the boss even

If you time it right

But im not positive on that

[fallen arch]

Just door of shadows or step a mage you can trust

[oak sky]

Might just cloak it and be lazy

[fallen arch]

Or bribe the priest that you’ve bribed to PI with extra cash

To grab

[echo geyser]

we have any idea if zoldycks gonna be valuable in raid? just tryna plan how m uch torghast i need to run

[formal sorrel]

Maybe, if an execute phase is critical

maybe Guardian fight?

[thorny pond]

Obedience looks too strong

[echo geyser]

true that

what about trinkets

IQD looking to be any good?

[loud silo]

whats the best anima powers gor tarragrue for sin?

[errant delta]

Whats the likelihood of veth getting nerf b4 mythic week lol?

[mint narwhal]

very high

that haste buff is too strong , combine with slice and dice .

but thats just my opinion

[errant delta]

I need that after swaping to necro cus pins said it would be better in the long run

[bleak sky]

it's up

realms are up

[fallen arch]

Think it’s especially too strong for sub. So my take is that nerfs are coming at some point, just don’t know to what and to what extent

[keen flint]

Assa or sub for progress? Be short please 🙂

[thorn crater]

Both

[sonic schooner]

i would probably bring zoldyck in everysingle fight in progress if you are not playing venthyr

🙄

[cloud bramble]

whichever you can play better

[keen flint]

Okay 🙂

[tacit badge]

How big of a single target handicap is staying necro compared to venthyr?

[versed mica]

Depends how much the venthyr leggo is nerfed

[nimble tartan]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[versed mica]

It's like 600 DPS with obedience leggo, but if we end up using doomblade it'll be like 50 dps lower

[drowsy parcel]

its not gonna get nerfed

[sonic spire]

do we know our best anima powers for tarragrue?

[versed mica]

It most likely will be lol

[old summit]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[balmy condor]

the ones that do damage, or the one you're required to take from your raid lead in order to soak mechanics

[ancient moth]

is venthyr good on sub and sin?

[balmy condor]

yes

we have pins on the matter

[ancient moth]

ah okay sorry ty

[icy dock]

do you have anima power for the whole raid ?

[limber lion]

No, just for the first boss.

[mystic osprey]

Tarragrue recommended powers?

[neon cloak]

Why Maxs dps is way low than the others 🌝

[halcyon zealot]

max didn’t press vanish 1 time on the first boss

[limber lion]

He's not playing very well.

Raidleading takes a toll on your performance as well.

And the first boss is a cheese boss anyways with anima powers.

[halcyon zealot]

i also don’t think he’s too concerned about his dps, he’s just a warm body in the split

[limber lion]

Yep

[rigid tartan]

Poor max going to get shit on for his rogue gameplay by heroic Andy’s

[oak sky]

You literally get anima powers lol

Tarragrue logs are gonna be weird as fuck

[neon cloak]

CE Andy, and nope i am not 🙂 just concerned about the class overall.

[oak sky]

The class is fine

For sure

[gusty breach]

sadge

[balmy condor]

people watching max for the gameplay

[gusty breach]

we can watch you for gameplay

❤️

[balmy condor]

you could, I wouldn't suggest it though

[gusty breach]

probably not worth to dot both eyes

[limber lion]

No

[quaint dragon]

anybody got the link of the new dps rankings?

[oak sky]

Max on monk is pretty cracked

[winter gale]

Whats new raiding piece for leggo?

[oak sky]

But watching day 1 heroic rogue max for gameplay

[solid venture]

is he not playing with master assassin? 🤔 havent seen him use vanish once

[limber lion]

Obedience for Venth, still Doomblade for others.

[limber lion]

He is, but he's not exactly playing optimally.

[solid venture]

understandable

[limber lion]

He's not trying to minmax

[gusty breach]

stream lagging?

[limber lion]

Just raid leading and playing for the shits and giggles.

[limber lion]

Nope.

[gusty breach]

so thats me i guess

that boss looked like a better zoldic/doom blade lego then obidience

[oak sky]

Ive seen him play and vanish before and do it like normal dont think about whats going on in this raid link

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

[winter gale]

@limber lion ok, so Obedience for me as Venthyr. Can u tell me pls which slot is bis for it?

[gusty breach]

2 targets?

[limber lion]

Cloak.

[hot chasm]

Is shard combinations figured out?

[gusty breach]

and then updocter

[winter gale]

Ty m8, ur the man!

[limber lion]

3x Unholy set, others don't really matter. Probably 1x Frost dps and 1x Blood dps.

[frosty bridge]

That doesn't mean it's a Zoldyck fight

Zoldyck isn't ncessarily better for The Nine either etc

[gusty breach]

ho, mybad i guess

[balmy condor]

god if only someone made a pin

[frosty bridge]

If only..

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

Obedience is neutral with Doomblade on 2t anyways

It's not like it's dog when you add a second target.

[gusty breach]

i'm trying to find reasons, for obedience to not get nerfed

[slim jolt]

While the patch drops, a big thanks to the community figures, the mods and the simmers that have put the time in to give us a helping hand, we appreciate you

[junior patrol]

How long would it take me to switch to venthyr if i‘ve never been venthyr before?

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Around 5 seconds to skip through the dialogue.

[drowsy parcel]

renown grind is very fast

30 plaguefalls and the campaign

maybe 5-6 hours

[junior patrol]

For renown 42 then?

[drowsy parcel]

ye

i switched yesterday

did plaguefalls from 1 to 26 then campaign

[heavy coral]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[drowsy parcel]

got renown from each plaguefall except 3

[junior patrol]

Oh nice^^

And which pf key did u do?

[drowsy parcel]

no key just heroic

there are a bunch of groups in lfg

[junior patrol]

What?? Wow easy

[grim hornet]

max runing ep and vigor if im not mistaken, can someone explain what does it give vs bs and ds?

[limber lion]

EP/Vig is better when there's more targets.

But you should sim yourself

[grim hornet]

ye sure

[limber lion]

And you should not look to Max for rogue advice.

He's playing very, very poorly.

[grim hornet]

kk

[junior patrol]

Thank you 😉

[vagrant delta]

did they move the people you have to talk to to switch covenants? i don't see them in oribos

[grim hornet]

i was just wondering

ty for response cev 🙂

[little ivy]

got world boss endurance conduit for 4.25% health, worth running over nimble fingers?

[limber lion]

No worries mate.

[limber lion]

Should still be there.

[fervent path]

Recommended stats for doomblade lego? I would guess Haste + Crit?

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[echo geyser]

theres no general rule with flag and assa right? or do u always pop flag on cd

[finite galleon]

Hi sin bros do you know where the 3rd source of renown comes from? beside the anima/korthia ones

[limber lion]

Just use Flag on CD.

You can try to line up the last cast as long as you don't miss out on a cast.

[limber lion]

The covenant campaign.

[echo geyser]

and this is even without the lego?

[limber lion]

Yes

[echo geyser]

cool ty

30 sec does seem like an awful lot

maybe with obedience u can just always have every other with vendetta

[limber lion]

Nope.

You won't be hitting 30 flag stacks like

ever

[echo geyser]

so still just pop on cd

[limber lion]

Yep

[echo geyser]

fair

[somber breach]

Any clue where the covvy dudes went? Can't swap to venthy today, did I miss something?

[cedar crater]

so when do we think tier 5 and 6 legos should be available on the AH ?

[cunning star]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[gusty breach]

what prices can we expect, is a better question

[cedar crater]

a lotta money lol

[gusty breach]

p2w game

[slender berry]

Tier 4 price + like 80k depending on realm

So less then tier 4 at the beginning of Shadowlands

You can easily get the 40 crystals yourself while doing korthia

So actually really cheap

I alrdy got 42 Crystals just on one char

[oak sky]

@limber lion is it worth making sure flag goes during vendetta or is it fine to just vendetta after flag

Like all of flag

First few etc.

[balmy condor]

vend after rupture

[oak sky]

Ok

Thats what i thought

[limber lion]

Yeh, what he said

[oak sky]

I just never heard it directly from anyone

[cyan venture]

where are the cov switching npcs?

[somber breach]

Thats what I'm wondering

[still peak]

Bugged

[pallid panther]

any tips for activating hardmode tazavesh? seems bugged atm

[charred wraith]

Is it worth to at least garrote an extra ball on painsmith for energy?🤡

oh im dumb just fok for cp's and deadly

[odd hazel]

@limber lion did we get confirmation that the adamant vault drops sockets?

[thorn fjord]

anyone mind telling me where the venthyr NPC is to swap?

he's not where he's normally at

[fervent path]

On daggers - shadowcore oil or sharpening stones?

[odd hazel]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

Yes, but you need exalted reputation with the Archivist to actually use them

So it's kinda whatever.

[fervent path]

Thanks! @odd hazel

[odd hazel]

so i can just farm them and use it when i get exalted?

[ornate zodiac]

what's best 2nd potency for Nadjia?

[limber lion]

Yep

[odd hazel]

You're welcome!

[charred wraith]

is adamant vault on a lock out? or we just farm it non stop?

[limber lion]

You need to unlock the Adamant Vaults first though

Not sure if the sockets only drop from the highest floor or not though.

And that content is quite a few weeks away

[loud light]

seems like it would be odd if the best strat was to blast layer 9 for adamant vaults

but hey game design is hard

[mint frigate]

best leg for st?

[mint frigate]

ty 🙂

[winter gale]

If I dont do Torghast in this week 1…is that big affect or I will just be a week behind? Currently im on 2k Soul Ashes*

[balmy condor]

you'll be a week behind

it's not about the ash though

it's the cinders

[winter gale]

And how much time it will take if I go online now? 😂 Sry for asking this stupid q but I have literally no clue about this 9.1. Torghast.

[barren vessel]

What happened to the covenant change NPCs in Oribos?

[winter gale]

Im 226 equipped

[balmy condor]

it's the same as 9.0 torg

[winter gale]

So one of each layer?

[balmy condor]

you just run the highest

last week was 9, this week 10

[winter gale]

Good, im going now. Still 9 I guess since im EU

[balmy condor]

ye

[winter gale]

Ty m8, always very helpful!

[vague falcon]

yo, anyone tried if poison bug is still in after latest hotfixes?

[viscid spear]

230 crafted gear is still all 160k

[indigo ginkgo]

you can only use 1 iten

[craggy basin]

just got on since patch dropped. where did the cov leaders go for covenant swapping

[hasty crater]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[viscid spear]

Anyone get anything from the new WB?

[gloomy knoll]

@balmy condor is the poison bug live?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[balmy condor]

has been

[gloomy knoll]

now is the winter of our discontent

[odd flax]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[viscid spear]

Winter of dis content

[lone wren]

do we have a section here that keeps track of rogue changes at every hotfix/patch? if there isn't i think that would be handy!

[gloomy knoll]

still 2 target king

can't hold us back

king of buffs

[mortal pike]

With deeper strat its dump on 5+ combo points yea? and pool before envenom?

[balmy condor]

yes

[quasi scroll]

with zoldyck do you wait for ~30% to vendetta on e.g. an M+ boss?

[balmy condor]

no

[cinder steppe]

hey if i were to craft a legendary with doomblade right now in which slot should i put it?

[mental fog]

Guys, best covenant with legendaries in this path ?

[cloud reef]

Whats the bug?

[pliant nest]

holding flag/vendetta for each other is not worth it right?

[balmy condor]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[balmy condor]

if you miss a cast, it's not worth

[knotty glade]

For Necrolord, whe souldbind with who ?

[short token]

wait we can craft 262 leggos already?

[frosty gyro]

Have there been any sims done on Razorwing Quill + Doomblade, or does it even affect it at all?

I mean you can if you have the mats for it, which no one does

[short token]

there's 2 262 cloaks on my ah

for a million each

[frosty gyro]

Oh you can craft the base item yeah

But you can't actually make it

[short token]

but not the mats

[loud light]

anybody with high enough rep and the rank 3/4 patterns can craft 5/6 base items

[frosty gyro]

You need the soul cinders

[short token]

so doomblade on the back is going to be bis? or are people waiting to craft

[halcyon blade]

unless venth

[short token]

yeah obedience if venth

sucks since i had doomblade on gloves

and my ONLY piece of 233 is the cloak

[halcyon blade]

yea i mean you can hold until you get a dom socket or a glove upgrade

but i wouldnt craft a 5 or 6 on gloves

[short token]

yeah that's what i'll do most likely, let the mat prices drop a bit

oh nah, not going to craft on a dom slot

[halcyon blade]

but until you have a reason to, no need to recraft

[balmy condor]

there is no trinket that interacts with a mechanic on sin

[frosty gyro]

Ah dang I guess it's always hard to tell from wording whether something will work or not

[neon sequoia]

still can't do torghast as rogue?

[frosty gyro]

huh?

[echo cargo]

torgh is ez as rogue

sry :L

[frosty gyro]

I feel like it can be a pain if you don't get the good anima powers for a while, but since the best one is a common you should get it eventually

[neon sequoia]

okay wel i'm dying to the fiorst pack of mobs

layer 8

200 ilvl

[frosty gyro]

Do you have rez sickness

[neon sequoia]

lol no

[frosty gyro]

Is it a double elite pack?

[neon sequoia]

no lol

1 elite and 3 mobs

[frosty gyro]

Idk then

[neon sequoia]

i killed them but i had to use evasion

and its the first paclk

[viscid spear]

Raiding soon, so Theotar with Lashing/WPS/Lethal?

[plain thistle]

nadija duelist

[frosty gyro]

Personally not a fan of theotar because you rarely get to stand in the umbrella fully

[viscid spear]

Really? The pins say Dauntless Nadja only outpaces Tripe Pot Theo with Obed

[frosty gyro]

I mean it doesn't show non-obedience

[plain thistle]

hmmm no, with doomblade too

theotar without obedience isnt even on the list

[viscid spear]

Ooooh, Triple Pot Theo w/ Obed is what I'm seeing, i iz teh dum

[potent rune]

I just came back to WoW today and just wanna thank Whispyr for the pins. It's as if ive never left and am caught up with all the new info. Thanks for your hard work for this community!

[odd hazel]

what are yall usin as your second potency?

WPS?

[neon sequoia]

have they removed death count in torghast or am i blind

[odd hazel]

yes, that was since patch release

[neon sequoia]

infinite deaths then yeah?

[rancid warren]

Imma viewing limit-maximum's heroic run and can someone tell me why he's talented vigor instead of DS?

[odd hazel]

some people just prefer vigor

[agile geode]

Sin Is going well

[odd hazel]

its like 50 or barely 100 difference

[viscid spear]

The Anima Power bar is floating over my minimap

[azure bronze]

dying gives you minus score and it will effect if you 4 or 5 star a torghast run or not

[rancid warren]

Does numbing poison work on raid bosses now? Why does it show on nameplate?

[plush garnet]

Is inscrutable quantum device good still?

I thought I remembered everyone using it awhile ago, have one in my vault

[odd hazel]

its not bad right now

[loud trench]

226 LP OR 213 WPS for second conduit

[viscid spear]

Healer that always dies grabbed Ten of Towers

[mortal pike]

Is there a list of the best pwoers for first boss? haha

Heart seeking fang seems kinda juicy

[viscid spear]

I have Potent Acid Gland, Obleron Winds, V'lara's Cape, and Blade of the Lifetaker

[naive wigeon]

So I'm getting back into Ass this patch after being forced off my rogue to fill a raid team slot better, so some things are a bit forgotten. Why mutilate as first move from stealth with MA instead of Ambush?

[azure bronze]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[azure bronze]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[azure bronze]

@naive wigeon there you go

[plush garnet]

mut is two seperate attacks, so you can crit both for 4 CP pre sure?

[naive wigeon]

Ok makes sense

It seemed like such a simple question that I didn't want to ask, so I checked the pins, but the FAQ part was just empty so had to xD

[azure bronze]

Don't worry we are all here to help 😄

Or get help xD

[viscid spear]

Half the raid died on first Mist

[reef axle]

trinket off world boss any good?

[viscid spear]

Pray for me

[azure bronze]

that sounds like bench half the raid

[azure bronze]

No idea, I don't see it in sims

[reef axle]

yeh i checked, no sims on it

[odd hazel]

with the second potency

what conduit are you all using?

[reef axle]

WPS

[odd hazel]

Awesome, figured as much. ❤️

[viscid spear]

Got the wrists

[azure bronze]

gratz!

[viscid spear]

8.4k dps

[azure bronze]

I guess you got shitty powers ?

[viscid spear]

I was the highest

[azure bronze]

oh nice ;o

[viscid spear]

It should be better I know

[azure bronze]

nah that entire fight

[viscid spear]

Next highest was 7.4k, our usually best dps Fury

[azure bronze]

is based on what anime powers you get

it's completely rng

[potent rune]

do we craft Obedience on cloak or head? my guess is cloak?

[plain thistle]

correct

[viscid spear]

"Damage was buffed because of the powers, next boss will be the real test"

[potent rune]

@plain thistle ty

[viscid spear]

Like I'm the bad guy for doing mechanics

Still top on Eye

"They buffed Assassination"

[summer onyx]

when should i pop phantom fire in my opener

[manic prism]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[viscid spear]

Fury beat me on The Nine

[final sky]

do we know what soulbind and conduits we want for sanctum?

[viscid spear]

Specific Cov?

[final sky]

necro

[viscid spear]

Heimir

Sudden Fractures >= Well-Placed Steel > Lethal Poisons > Maim, Mangle

[oak sky]

I'm home

[mortal pike]

really blasting those 205 ilvl parses

[viscid spear]

Got Ner's dagger

[oak sky]

Juicy

Normal or heroic ashkitten

[viscid spear]

Normal

[void pecan]

whats flag opener? mut snd mut gar rupt X x x x ?

[devout glen]

mut slice mut garrote flag rup

[timber pawn]

Sudden Fractures and Well Placed steel are what we want to take for Heimir over WPS and Lethal Poisons?

[viscid spear]

Well Placed Steel IS WPS

[timber pawn]

yes

So SF and WPS over WPS and LP?

[cedar star]

where are the cov swap guys at now? they arent by the lich king anymore

[viscid spear]

Oh I misunderstood the question

Yeah, Sudden & WPS

[oak sky]

Nothing wrong with normal go hard

[thorn fjord]

flag after Vendetta on pull?

[viscid spear]

Died to red stuff on Soulrender

Garrosh is not pleased with my failure

[fervent fog]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laugh-lmao-gif-9271200

[balmy condor]

before

flag before the rupture

then rupture vend

or you can vend/flag and then rupture

both fine

[summer onyx]

is there a certain amount timeframe where something is alive that it's not worth rupturing it due to it not receiving the full damage of the bleed?

[balmy condor]

yes, roughly 12 if you are energy saturated, 3 if you aren't

[clever cargo]

Emeni-Heirmir for ST?

[summer onyx]

alright, thanks

[balmy condor]

heir, sim it tho

[viscid spear]

On to Painsmith

Painsmith is going to be fun, his transition phase won't be easy with this group

[severe sparrow]

someone in my raid pulled the achievement thing without telling us, our first run fuck that

[viscid spear]

Where is it?

[severe sparrow]

lever on the wall to the uhhh

if youre looking at the platform it's on the left, i think

activate gibbets

[halcyon zealot]

this seems like a juicer power for 1st boss

depending on its proc rate

[half tartan]

Does shadow step work on Eye? Max died shadow stepping on his stream

[viscid spear]

What's the lever do?

Painsmith is our wall so far

[severe sparrow]

it puts like 8 or so mobs around the outside that slowly cast fears

either gotta kill or keep interrupted

not sure if it's more on heroic, we just did normal tonight

[arctic hare]

What anima powers should I choose, i'm thinking the 90% less dmg from aoe attacks is best

[indigo thicket]

whats the ideal talent setup going with doomblade? is CT better than bomb for more bleeds?

[viscid spear]

You'd think the transition phase on Painsmith would be easy to understand

[balmy condor]

sim yourself, but no, it's not

[winged basin]

yo, SoD is fun af

but HOLY SHIT MY NERVES ON WRACKED

anxiety is beating the SHIT out of me

[oak sky]

Damn yall making me excited

[exotic notch]

i dont really have a sin leggo for this week, is it worth crafting a 225 doomblade or just stick to a 235 finality and stay sub hmm obedience waiting room

[balmy condor]

thanks for sharin

[balmy condor]

depends how much you care for the ash

[strange python]

finally ran a raid fight as assass

did 10k dps

[viscid spear]

[vernal tapir]

Ash is stupid easy to farm atm. As a rogue you can run a layer 9 in under 6 mins

[fleet anchor]

Leech one is really strong, Bleed one is kinda strong but not as good as Leech. I had Leech+Bleed+Agi (no jumping)+Mastery

But the fight is just funzies really

[exotic notch]

im currently running upper reaches over and over, ash i dont really care for, i can always farm

it beats doing laps of oribos @balmy condor

[halcyon zealot]

i went pure dmg, 30% stat no jump, shadow dmg prog, that crit proc, ended up getting a r18 rofl

[indigo thicket]

making a bunch of WA timers, can someone give me a good reason to track envenom buff or is it a waste of space on my screen

[balmy condor]

go for it, craft that doom

[balmy condor]

I track it to remind me to pool

[exotic notch]

boom! ty man, almost there with the ash, rather cover all bases hc week 😄

[indigo thicket]

gotcha ty for replies

[exotic notch]

have to just upgrade my hands eurgh, why do i always wait until the last min to reroll -.-

[unkempt pilot]

now we caft doom on cloak ? i saw the ping said gloves before

[balmy condor]

pin was 9.0

[unkempt pilot]

so, cloak ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[unkempt pilot]

thanks ❤️

[balmy condor]

that's what it says

:P

[viscid spear]

[unkempt pilot]

it's okay i just have to recraft them >.<

[shell ivy]

Someone help me, is the first time I join a mythic guild and I can’t tell if I’m excited or anxious, so I can’t fucking sleep

And looking at limit stream this raid looks stressful af

[unkempt pilot]

just don't die

[shell ivy]

True

[unkempt pilot]

dps is irrelevant

[viscid spear]

Mine is struggling on Painsmith

[unkempt pilot]

that's the thing i learn the first time i went in a Mythic guild

[severe sparrow]

mechanics > dps mythic raiding isnt scary if your raid lead is chill idk

[unkempt pilot]

a dead dps is useless >0<

[shell ivy]

I’m probably overwhelmed by the current rogue sims too I don’t wanna look bad as trial

Fuck

[exotic notch]

just make sure you know tactics and do what the raid leader asks

youll be fine 🙂 its not that big of a step up

[unkempt pilot]

• you're a rogue bro

cheat death

cloak

stupid class can save you

x)

[shell ivy]

TRUE CHEAT DEATH

I hope it’s gonna be okey, but am I just seeing it wrong or this raid is omega stressful with all these mechanics to dodge

[unkempt pilot]

i think you mean "FUN"

[shell ivy]

Thinking of going outlaw in case I need hook kappa

[unkempt pilot]

omega FUN

[shell ivy]

True

[torn atlas]

All content has mechanics to dodge

[shell ivy]

Sylvanas fight

Melee fun

[unkempt pilot]

no, your shadowstep > hook

[shell ivy]

I wish sin had 2 step

That would have been dope

[void pecan]

venthyr has two steps

easy

[shell ivy]

True that

[torn atlas]

Just think 1.6 seconds ahead of time 😉

[viscid spear]

Surv Hunter tries to Disengage over spiked balls

[shell ivy]

[viscid spear]

Warrior: "I wonder if you can Heroic Leap"

This fight is really showing that our melee is so much better than our ranged

[severe sparrow]

what the shit is with fatescribe and these god damn rings hly shit

do you have to stand on the arrows? or stutter step on them? or what

[strange python]

what talents are yall running for the nine

[dim ledge]

can shadowstep go through beam on tarrague?

[viscid spear]

You mean Eye beam?

Well we got to Painsmith tonight, picking up on Thursday.

[nimble tartan]

yoo rank 1 no eu nerzhul heroic

ty eu delay i couldnt have done it

[hollow talon]

found an interesting bug

played a boss with outlaw conduits by accident

and it was giving me roll the bones buffs

as assa

lol

[unkempt pilot]

not a bug

[winged basin]

I GOT THE RING OFF THE NINE

LETS GOOOOOOOO

our other rogue killed .3% of the nine with Forgeborne Reveries

[hollow talon]

thats not a bug?

interesting

[unkempt pilot]

read it, it's intended i think

[plain thistle]

we know that since day 1 😂

[dim ledge]

yeah sorry on eye

is it a blink?

or will you get hit

[pale fossil]

It’s a blink I believe

[dim ledge]

tyty

[arctic hare]

okay

so

apparently

Overgrowth seedling is amazing, I literally cannot spend enough energy to offset my energy gain

[exotic notch]

only 13 more runs to go fml

[safe barn]

yo

dropped the garrosh trinket

is it any good

[balmy condor]

its meh

[timid talon]

got back to back loot on the first two bosses, guess i should just log out for the week since im not getting anything else lol

[harsh anchor]

Not with that attitude

[viscid spear]

I was running Subterfuge that whole raid.

[strange moss]

what missives do you want for cloak doomblade?

[drifting cloud]

crit haste

[winged basin]

It is awesome. I got it and loved it

[arctic hare]

Yeah

I literally had to switch to Deeper Stratagem because I couldn't spend my energy fast enough

[oak sky]

Fuck i forgot i didnt predownload the update

[arctic hare]

Lol, nice

[unkempt pilot]

it's anima power right ?

[split grail]

Is the sylavanas dagger good?

[charred moat]

No, pass on it

[unkempt pilot]

sell it

[split grail]

So Nerzuls dagger outside of M+

[unkempt pilot]

check pins

[oak sky]

[unkempt pilot]

sylvanas > all

i think

[oak sky]

yeah

i think heroic sylvanas dagger might even be better than everything else

[split grail]

Don't see anything about weps in the pins, and I was told the sylvanas dagger isnt good

[plain thistle]

who told you that?

[unkempt pilot]

Sylvanas Daggers are very strong in single target, will however lose in aoe, since the effect is single target. Sim yourself or look at the comparisons here for an idea:

in pins

first pin

[drifting cloud]

but someone told him it isnt good, what more do you need to know

[split grail]

First pin is about soulbinds

[obtuse robin]

the lfr sylv daggers r better then anythig u have atm

[unkempt pilot]

third then

x)

[drifting cloud]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wsmFmTDrM45yzm2Mv7Tac its in the 1st pin you just have to actually care enough to look for it

[oak sky]

don't worry, its not good

just trade them to another rogue in your raid group

no stats= less damage

[unkempt pilot]

yeah why method would pay 2M by dagger

they sure are useless

[cedar silo]

!bis

[wise gull]

EZ EZ EZ EZ

[oak sky]

[split grail]

Maybe in the future when someone ask a question we can give helpful and simple answers instead of sarcastic, confusing ones

[fiery fable]

do you take ma or subterfuge for "The Nine"?

[drifting cloud]

both are fine, its not gonna make a huge difference

[lavish horizon]

should i craft 225 doomblade or upgrade my 210 zoldyks to 235 this week for raid? i guess obe will be the big craft in a few weeks but not to feel gimped for now

[drifting cloud]

well you craft obedience next week

so you wanna have 5k ash I guess

[oak sky]

bro where did the covenant swap guys go

nvm

found it easy

[lavish horizon]

we get more renown this week?

[charred moat]

What are the odds they nerf obedience bros

[drifting cloud]

🔮

[manic pebble]

Zoldycks is good in raid?

[shy dust]

Not really anymore