assassination

[kind talon]

venthyr

but its mikanikos

[hollow jolt]

tyty

[kind talon]

ye 100%

should be sword and pistol LOL

that shit made me so horny for gw2 thief man

[umbral rapids]

fuck yeah !

[kind talon]

sooooo sick

[umbral rapids]

no u

[kind talon]

u got different abilities based on the weapons u could equip, and u could use a gun offhand or swords or daggers etc etc

really sick

[oak sky]

Sword and gun would be cool but isnt gun 1hand

I mean 2h

[kind talon]

gun is 2h

ya

wouldnt work with this gae

game

but ye idk

sin shouldnt be locked to daggaws

[oak sky]

Sin being dagger is fine with me

[untold nest]

Add new item pistol 😛

[oak sky]

Its like loki or something

Double dagger demolition

[kind talon]

loki

daggers r the coolest weapons tho imo

the aesthetic is kinda sleek

[limber lion]

I disagree

But each to their own

[thorny pond]

Them big ol’ swords are kinda great

Like if I hit you with that fucca you’re hurting

[odd hazel]

BEACH

What is that color

[mental trout]

I think fist weps are underrated and I think they could have way more interesting fist wep designs. Shit, they could be way more creative with all the weapons, hell even the armor etc. IMO blizzard really slacks on that

[mint gorge]

Went necro but thinking might be a bad choice now seeing the numbers, is Venth still king

[odd hazel]

As long as obedience stays the way it is yes

But for now necro is fine

[mint gorge]

Fair

[obtuse robin]

so would normal sod sylvana daggers be more dps then a non sylvanna dagger?

[timid talon]

yes

[obtuse robin]

sheesh

[timid talon]

they're worth a lot of ilvls

if you have the normal one and you dont get the heroic one i assume you'll be using it until you do

but obviously sim it to be sure

[thorny pond]

Sub is objectively better for ST and that is what my guild needs

[odd hazel]

Traitor to the cause

[thorny pond]

Hardly

I still prefer sin

[timid talon]

Very few fights this tier though where you'll wanna play it

[thorny pond]

Eh

[odd hazel]

[thorny pond]

We have a lot of good cleave specs

[odd hazel]

That’s fair

[timid talon]

sure but if cleave kills the fight faster, its definitely still better for prog to go mut

[odd hazel]

Sin*

[obtuse robin]

would wanna play which sub or sin

[thorny pond]

It can be but if we need prio and ST then sub is worth. Not like it's hard to hit "n" -> assassination -> activate if need be

[strange python]

The spec boss is one of the hardest there is...

[thorny pond]

Honestly people act like you have to choose for the entire tier

[timid talon]

mut will be better for sylvanas and thats really the only fight that matters

[odd hazel]

Sin*

[obtuse robin]

hopefully pb is fixed in time for mythic

[thorny pond]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[thorny pond]

Yea that too lol

[azure flare]

The fuck

[timid talon]

if it is, then yeah mut just because that much better. I doubt they'll change it though

its our class fantasy now

[azure flare]

Bro

Wtf is mut

[odd hazel]

They mean assassination

[obtuse robin]

why wouldnt they fix a bug?

its intended?

[azure flare]

Is there a mut in 'assassination'

Just call it sin

[timid talon]

not intended but it survived all of 9.0

[odd hazel]

Mut is a old nickname for classic sin

[thorny pond]

call it ass

like it is

[azure flare]

Ass

[odd hazel]

Sin*

[thorny pond]

flame me bois

[timid talon]

its a habit that wont die

[azure flare]

[timid talon]

i still call outlaw combat

[obtuse robin]

whyspr said it just showed up randomly the other day

[thorny pond]

What, my will to live?

[timid talon]

oh im wrong then, i thought it was an older bug

[obtuse robin]

i could be mistaken who knows

[timid talon]

either way, its going to be a great tier boys

all 3 specs arent garbage

[sonic schooner]

how s going your venthyr journey Ceve, are u happy?

[odd hazel]

Until they nuke one

[thorny pond]

Sub is the easiest target

[odd hazel]

Which sub will be sad if they nerf obedience for any reason

[thorny pond]

Simply because it's a meme

[obtuse robin]

sub still ahead if obi nuked

instead of 800 by like 400

[thorny pond]

Yea

[pure sentinel]

sin or sub for m+

[thorny pond]

sub

need a tank that can actually pull more than 2-3 mobs tho

[pure sentinel]

only thing is that i just have to spam black powder as sub

[mental trout]

Since most of the fights in raid have some sort of cleave, would it make more sense to craft zoldyck over doom blade? I’m new to being back on rogue. I have a doom blade ilvl 210 but with crit/vers while I don’t have any zoldyck crafted. Would the play be to just craft zold and use the doom blade on ST fights?

[thorny pond]

No. Obedience will be BiS in 2 weeks

And nothing wrong with spamming BP!

[obtuse robin]

well one week

and a day

[thorny pond]

2 lockouts

[potent dagger]

i dunno , sub suffer quite heavily from downtime , more than sin tbh so in the end i wonder if they won't be just on par

[obtuse robin]

on july 12

[thorny pond]

DOWNTIME!

[tardy parrot]

hi, which legos and slots for assass in 9.1?

[obtuse robin]

13

[thorny pond]

SCALING

[glossy wedge]

@mental trout I'd get doom blade vers/haste on gloves for PvP, Pve rock obedience

[tardy parrot]

why are you talking about sub in the sin channel thou ?:)

[obtuse robin]

this is where u talk about sub from a sin prespective

he in the right place

[potent dagger]

Obedience if venthyr on cloack , Zoldyck on legs

[pure sentinel]

just don’t have downtime

[odd hazel]

Imagine thinking we don’t suffer the same from down time

90% of our damage is white melee

[thorny pond]

Sub gets back to the rotation much faster than sin

whereas sin has a rebuild time

[obtuse robin]

90 %

lol

[sick acorn]

can you not hit 42 without the new quests/korthia weekly?
i rerolled, and ive been stuck at 40

[odd hazel]

Exaggerated obviously

[mental trout]

Yea I am not venthyr, and don’t really plan on switching over. I love necro and I am big into PvP so obedience isn’t an option. I’m wondering if I should just go pure ST for sin and then on cleave fights rock outlaw. Just not sure what the play is, so little time to research lol. I can play sin and outlaw on the same level but not sure if one is better then the other for raid.

[tardy parrot]

thanks, i have 3 rogs in 223. im planning to main the necrolord-orc, for all around general usage (better in pvp coz its orc and better in dungeons).

[potent dagger]

If necro , doomblade on cloack then

[pseudo pilot]

Why do we have to wait 2 weeks for obedience

[obtuse robin]

3 60 rogues for all covs

legend

[thorny pond]

It unlocks at renown 48

[obtuse robin]

dont we get 3 renown 2marow and then 3 more next week

[thorny pond]

2+3+3

[obtuse robin]

2 2marow

[thorny pond]

Mythic week we get it

[obtuse robin]

isnt mythic week july 13

[thorny pond]

This week ends tomorrow

Is what I mean

So tomorrow you can get 45

[obtuse robin]

when u say 2 weeks ppl actually think 2 weeks

[mental trout]

@potent dagger isn’t doom blade ST only? And most of the fights in raid cleave?

[obtuse robin]

i think

[thorny pond]

That's stupid. WoW weeks always run Tues-Mon

[obtuse robin]

i know but pppl seemed upset and say why 2 weeks

lol

its realy 8 days

[potent dagger]

Doomblade is strong in cleave as well , just don't use it for 3+ target

[thorny pond]

Some people should 🧷

[obtuse robin]

true

[tardy parrot]

the funny part the 3rd is what nobody would expect. a gnome night fae rog! lul i dont like the goodie goodie kyrians 😛 all shiny and noble. UD VENTHYR ORC NECRO perfect class fantasy, and the silly belittled night fae gnome the BIS!

[tribal marlin]

really depends on the raid. Some fights aren't "that much" punishing regarding downtime for sub

Some are

[obtuse robin]

shiny and noble vs weeb fury dorks

idk brother

[tardy parrot]

its all right, nobody is perfect

[mental trout]

I have to look into the raid more, not even sure if there are 3+ target fights

[tardy parrot]

good to have that extra time as eu player, so you can look up the us logs 🙂

[mental trout]

I see there was a boss-by-boss breakdown guide on icy veins for castle. Wondering if there will be one for the new 9.1 raid. That would be super helpful for some one like me!

[thorny pond]

Youtube has better content than IV

[obtuse robin]

ready check pull > IV

[viscid spear]

I remember my GL recommending FatBoss

[tardy parrot]

ready check pull is awesome but only got first 6 atm. im looking for something similar for the other 4, maybe this ?signsofkelani ?

[uncut bobcat]

Is there certain amount of haste you’d need or nah

[odd hazel]

Nope

[oak sky]

Ive been watching max videos for now

[copper hazel]

Scripes videos are decent, nice and short and to the point

[obtuse robin]

u can try mythictrap

guides with help from echo

all bosses

[thorny pond]

Usually Limit and Echo will have the newer videos now that fatboss is out

Stanky gaming too

[mental trout]

I’d this against the rules 😂? Could any of the really knowledgeable/high parse/high io rogues use some “donations” I am willing to give some one who puts a lot of work into the game/guides/community some fiat so they can keep doing what they are doing, but to also have some one I can directly ask my questions to etc. I make way more money then I have time to invest in the game and it’s too stressful to keep up. 😂

[subtle tundra]

uh are you trying to buy a coach?

[shut garnet]

whispyr's sugar daddy?

@balmy condor yo u in?

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt say this is the correct place for it

[balmy condor]

I’ve done it before

[limber lion]

Me too

[mental trout]

You can call it what ever you want, the idea Originally came to mind to help the people who put a lot of time into the game

[subtle tundra]

Prostitution

[limber lion]

Any professional coaches in the chat

[subtle tundra]

i can give half assed advice for how i play

[median aurora]

whys whisper's description on twitch not have his discord

[shut garnet]

theres a fair amount of ppl who are responsible for writing the guides, dealing with sim APL optimisation etc

everyone you see with a green name, basically

[mental trout]

But with the donation it would be nice to have a pocket guide so I don’t have to search around for all the deep dives 🤣

[shut garnet]

contributes in some way or another^^

[balmy condor]

You think I SET UP MY STREAM?

Boy the sims don’t run themselves I don’t have time for formalities we juicing 24/7

[median aurora]

dm me invite link or

[limber lion]

You're honestly safe by dm'ing either me or Whispyr

We'll hook you up

[balmy condor]

Should be !discord in the chat

Nightbot will get you in

[rapid yew]

I'm curious, if Assassination outperforms Outlaw in ST and 2/3/4/5 target cleave sims - why does Outlaw sim higher in Dungeon Slice?

[shut garnet]

[balmy condor]

[shut garnet]

because assassination does not beat outlaw in 3 4 5

outlaw is generally really good at that sorta stuff

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[shut garnet]

unless...?

[oak sky]

Someone didnt read sims

[limber lion]

It does though.

[shut garnet]

did i miss something

[balmy condor]

[shut garnet]

[median aurora]

we in here

[shut garnet]

either way dungeon slice doesnt mean much

it doesnt account for comps yada yada, one spec outsimming another wont mean it'll get played over another

[subtle tundra]

i've tried so hard playing outlaw correctly and i just cant so i do more dam as assa

[shut garnet]

also its to do with how dgslice is set up, its not just a cleave fiesta

i cant remember the details but its like

[balmy condor]

Nice backpedal

[subtle tundra]

except before 905 cause assa was dog tier

[shut garnet]

pack of 3, pack of 5, varying times, then a boss for 2 mins

or so

[balmy condor]

[shut garnet]

look at this theorycrafter man big booly instead of answering the guy's question

[balmy condor]

But yeah sin just always sucks in dslice

It be like that

[shut garnet]

whispyr's booly swamp

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Could be fight time, could be the amount of targets, could be general cooldown usage

[limber lion]

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

[oak sky]

Uncap blade flurry

[balmy condor]

Idk man

I’ve been trying to fix aoe/dslice for a long time

And it’s just hard

[oak sky]

Uncap everything

[shut garnet]

is there any fixing dgslice really?

gotta pay someone big dolla to map out dungeons to the mob

[harsh anchor]

Quantum computers will fix dslice

[limber lion]

But that's the thing

We don't want to do that

Just like we don't want to do encounter specific sims either

[thorny pond]

Could you imagine?

[limber lion]

We just use Patchwork 5 min as a way to compare specs and whatnot, not as a bible whenever you jump in to Sun King's Salvation

[shut garnet]

sure, but the difference between a patchwerk 5min and ur average raw st fight with minimal downtime is way smaller than the difference between what dgslice does and what a key is actually like, and again it rly doesnt account for a lot of things

[oak sky]

I like this way, having nice st and dslice to look at then using general talent knowledge and stuff to adapt by fight

[shut garnet]

like what does the most damage sometimes isnt the most optimal

idk im not a fan of dgslice

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure

[shut garnet]

its nice that rogue APL is super optimised for it, but imo the sim itself is kinda sketchy^^

[limber lion]

I mean m+ is filled with variables

And it's impossible to lay that out

[cedar silo]

i just swapped to necro from venthyr is venthyr the way to go now?

[limber lion]

There is literally no way to ever sim for Dungeon Slice

Ever

[balmy condor]

Technically doable, but the APL needs a lot of work to support that and think ahead and all that. There is work being done on making that a reality, but most specs don’t even support dungeonslice, and theorycrafters from other classes are skeptical about how useful it is

So it’s an uphill battle

[shut garnet]

yea so at that point you're probably better off trying things out yourself, sounds mega feelycraft but you could look at stuff like the MA KS outlaw insurgence fairly midway thru the tier right

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure

[shut garnet]

i dont think (? correct me if im wrong) that ppl simmed that stuff

they just tried it out and saw it blasts

[limber lion]

We use theory and feelcraft to come up with things that could be good

[shut garnet]

it sounds mega feely but yea

[limber lion]

And we use sims to back that info up

Just like with Deathly Shadows

Very feelcrafty

[balmy condor]

It was simmed but KS was bugged in sims and doing half the damage it should have

[limber lion]

But all the good stuff usually comes from initial feelcrafting.

[shut garnet]

Deathly Shadows isn't so great? Are you kidding me?

oh fair, didnt know that

[odd hazel]

Fuck door of shadows

[obtuse robin]

flesh craft feels so much better

[potent dagger]

yeah but with fleshcraft you can't wipe a raid XD

[azure bronze]

Get mced on xymox and door of shadows blind during seeds

[balmy condor]

Great ability

[odd hazel]

[balmy condor]

Allows me to step to tree branches in korthia

[odd hazel]

Just shadowstep to people

[balmy condor]

People don’t play this shit game though

[quartz shadow]

just grapple

🙂

[balmy condor]

[odd hazel]

Tons do homie

[azure bronze]

Path not found try again

[quartz shadow]

if you can door you can grapple

[azure flare]

Quick question; when it comes to using shiv on cd, do you still wanna disregard its combo generation when ur for example cp capped?

[odd hazel]

Slam that shit

https://tenor.com/view/animepound-slam-gif-4880762

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

Slam harder 😄

[winged basin]

is sylv dagger still broken lol?

[odd hazel]

Not broken but very strong yes

[winged basin]

no like only usable by one rogue broken

[odd hazel]

Oh I don’t think so

@balmy condor

[winged basin]

dont mean to beat a dead dog, just curious

[azure flare]

Thx for the quick reply!

[balmy condor]

Fixed

All good

Squeaky clean and fresh

[tribal marlin]

"No path avaiable" YEAH I KNOW That's why I'm trying to use a TP >.<

[grizzled mist]

wait, so i dont have to DC the other rogue in my guild for it?

[tribal marlin]

because if there is a path, I will walk to it ...

[azure flare]

Dc him if he gets the dagger first

[strange silo]

Dc him before he gets the dagger

[viscid spear]

Malice him with a shoehorn

Literally every crafted 230 piece is 160k on the AH. I mean every single item, regardless of slot. Rings, necks, cloth gloves, leather pants, every single thing is 160k

It's just two people waving their dongs at each other on my realm, jeez

[strange silo]

wtf what server are u on xd on mine its like 20k max 30k

[viscid spear]

Bladefist-Kul'Tiras

It's a horribad server, lol

[strange silo]

better question is do ppl buy the pieces?

[clear shadow]

what piece do i craft the venthyr legendary on

back?

[strange silo]

if nothing changed i think its still back ye

[odd hazel]

Yes

[vernal tapir]

How's the Lego base market?

[viscid spear]

I'm in Korthia, lemme go look. Give me an example

[vernal tapir]

Cloak seems pretty stable

[viscid spear]

The 235 one?

[vernal tapir]

Yeah

[viscid spear]

16k

[vernal tapir]

15-25k is what I've seen on most servers

Seems isolated for the 230s then

[viscid spear]

235 neck is 80k

235 ring is 100k, lol

[odd hazel]

230 wrist was 10k for me

[vernal tapir]

😬

[wise gull]

if im 40 renown on both what do you thinks the play, necro for heroic week then swap venthyr when obedience is available?

or swap back to venthyr now

[gusty mirage]

go bananas, switch night fae

[wise gull]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

soulshape is bis, change my mind

[wise gull]

i miss soulshape real bad

[thorn lynx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[viscid spear]

Most expensive item on my AH is Blackrock Mineral Water, 5 available for 9,999,999g

Each is 9,999,999g I mean

[gusty mirage]

and you just discovered the wonderful world of gold selling

[viscid spear]

There's a pair of ilvl56 leather wrists up for that much too

Sickening, lol

So there's no reason to run PB over CT?

[plucky solstice]

on 2-3 target do I multi dot with garrote and rupture or only garrote?

[limber lion]

Both.

Even on 8 targets

[potent dagger]

lol

[obsidian anvil]

sorry guys, what enchant do I use as assasination rogue? crist or haste?

[potent dagger]

HArder to keep Garote up all the time on 8 target ^^

[wise gull]

sim sim sim sim

[limber lion]

Crit usually

Sim yourself

[limber lion]

Impossible* rather

[potent dagger]

Yup XD

[obsidian anvil]

u just cant I guess :S

[limber lion]

Possible with subterfuge

For like a few seconds

But that's kinda pointless

[potent dagger]

Rise a pannel : "Irrony" XD

[viscid spear]

Been getting input lag every time I come out of Subterfuge with DS

[inner pier]

@rigid mango Is Vulpera bis for rogue?

[ebon notch]

@limber lion i am nf assa is bis yes?

[merry mountain]

nf is dead

[ebon notch]

nono @limber lion told me in dms it was bis

[potent dagger]

XD

[limber lion]

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-sarcastic-sarcasm-machine-explode-gif-7533973

[ebon notch]

sorry i told secret before launch

[halcyon zealot]

anyone know a quick way to add the 230 rings/necks to a sim?

[heavy roost]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t26-assassination

[balmy condor]

gear compare should work, but the crafted gear is super janky

[halcyon zealot]

ya just saw ur convo abt it in tc channel from earlier

[balmy condor]

it's been simming without stats and with triple stats and all sorts of nonsense

not quite sure what's wrong with it

[viscid spear]

Really hoping the prices drop tomorrow

[halcyon zealot]

theyre fairly low on my server for jewerly, ~20k

[versed mica]

Crafted gear meaning the 230 gear?

[balmy condor]

yes

[viscid spear]

So Triple Potency Theo is the play this week until we get Obedience next week?

[balmy condor]

yep

[versed mica]

Sin yourself but I think ao

So*

Sim *

I need sleep

[mighty bolt]

Guys, is assa currently the best looking spec for CoD?

SoD*

[kindred rapids]

They're looking fabulous

[balmy condor]

Probably, yes

[light spear]

[mighty bolt]

i dont want to play subtlety 😦

[balmy condor]

Then don’t

[mighty bolt]

but i want to play the stronger

[balmy condor]

If you suck at sub and don’t want to play it, you’ll be better off on sin

[mighty bolt]

yeah probably, started the tier on sub and did shit xD

then assa came back from his ashes and i was happy

[cloud bramble]

I've been running  Wasteland Propriety all week in mythics. I can't risk getting knocked out of stealth thanks to token

[viscid spear]

Token breaks Stealth?

[cloud bramble]

yeah, any helpful buff you get will break it...the druids speed boost durning a shroud skip screwed up several runs

[tribal marlin]

I think it has been fixed

with 9.1

[cloud bramble]

well then I'll have to check it out

[rigid pine]

Shroud has been really buggy though

[sonic schooner]

Whisp

[indigo thicket]

hey kinda a loaded question but what WAs do yall think are important for tracking things (rotation wise), shiv, slice and dice and vendetta come to mind and a good plater profile for dot management but anything im missing?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[cunning needle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[cunning needle]

damn

[spice spire]

I use afenar’s slightly edited

[cunning needle]

i use luxthos

which isnt on that list

that list looks smaller than before

[pallid panther]

reckon we will use Zoldycks over Doomblade for heroic week? or should i hold my ash

[tribal marlin]

Zoldycks is weak in ST rn

[spice spire]

Def want Doomblade

[tribal marlin]

Use what you have, hold ashes for Obediance

[opaque tree]

Hi guys, I'm in the pins right now. Trying to find info on the weapon oil / sharpening stone

[spice spire]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[opaque tree]

icyveins is saying x2 sharpening stone but in the sims but in sims I'm not sure what the "default" weapon oil is, it just gives me a drop down to pick, but i'd like to sim against each other.

thanks

[balmy condor]

1200 views on that pastebin

not bad tbh

[loud birch]

ooof

is obedience that good?

[opaque tree]

but we lose out on the increased damage from shadowcore oil with the single target pot if we chose sharpening stone x2. Strange how icy veins says that's BiS...

[void pecan]

they're within like

.xx% of each other

either way

[upper trout]

is there a way to sim the korthia agi trinket without upgrading it?

[void pecan]

gear compare

[pallid panther]

also a question... will we just nadija tomorrow with the extra potency? surely right ?

[halcyon zealot]

so both Maim, Mangle and WPS sim exactly the same upgrade for me at 144dps for nadjia dauntless 2x potency next week (beats 3x pot theotar for me by about 75dps) all other things equal, which conduit yall think is better? WPS or MM

[kind talon]

Whichever sims higher

If they sim the same then either one

[halcyon zealot]

good answer

very good answer

was trying to have a conversation about conduit niches, since they are equal

but ya'know

[tribal marlin]

Tbh if they sim both exactly the same it really don't matter that much. I'd say WPS is better because the damage pattern (like you can benefit from a little bit more damage on a secondary target you must switch on fast)

but like ... really it doesn't matter that much

[spice spire]

Sheeeeesh

[tribal marlin]

Another thing to consider is 2t / 3t. Pretty sure (with Doomblade) Maim wins

[spice spire]

maim mangle

[tribal marlin]

Well I mean his question is legit

[halcyon zealot]

ya i was surprised they simmed the same tbh, i might just mess around with both in heroic week

[tribal marlin]

You sim with doomblade right ?

[halcyon zealot]

yeah i did, didnt do obidience sim

cuz was mainly lookin for a build for next week

well, tomorrow

[spice spire]

It’s not a troll question. It’s just so weird considering it was like 5th best at one point

[tribal marlin]

Doomblade is the reason

I'm pretty sure Maim was already close or better than WPS since 9.0.5

but we never really knew (unless you did sims) it since we use Dauntless + Lashing scars

[halcyon zealot]

ya ive just been venth for so long i havent simmed anything other than lashing with dauntless for ST in months

[obtuse robin]

i wonder when raidbots will evolve so you can sim yourself on a specific boss that would be dope

[tribal marlin]

It's already somehow possible

but like it is hard to try to "reproduce" a real encounter doing raid events.

[obtuse robin]

thats what i mean code the encounter based on the most popular strat

[tribal marlin]

In some simple fights you can, but like it's all about "is it relevant", "is it usefull" and "is it accurate"

The biggest issue is that you can't only do an accurate representation of an encounter using raid_events. You also need to tweak the APL

[obtuse robin]

same reason dslice isnt 100 % accurate

[outer iris]

Hey Guys! Checked the pins, but didnt find answer here, where is the earliest point where we can craft the Venthyr legendary? 2 weeks from now? Thank you for your answer ! :))

[tribal marlin]

You would use specific APL for each specific encounter, most likely

[outer iris]

when'

[obtuse robin]

in 8 days

july 13

[outer iris]

Nice, thank you dude

[tribal marlin]

Maybe you can, somehow, create a "general" APL that will like, not using Shiv before going downtime, or stuff like this. But it would never be more accurate than dedicated APL for a specific Boss.

[idle shard]

guys is it normal that potion of spectral agility is better for me than phantom fire?

[tribal marlin]

That's a giga tons of work. So again : is it worth it ?

[obtuse robin]

depends is simming gonna stay the same forver or is it gonna evolve

i assume it wil evolve

eventually

[thick bay]

is sin bad in mythics?

[obtuse robin]

mythic what

[outer iris]

I started to play it recently, and i really enjoy it

if u mean M+

[thick bay]

m+ dungeons

[tribal marlin]

I think if you would like to really optimising simulation with specific set of raid_event, you basically would need to re-create the APL from scratch, using specific set of "generic rules" for any kind of raid_events

[obtuse robin]

for pushing high keys prolly not

for easy keys sure

[atomic bison]

what spec is considered to be the best rn? m+/m raids

[tribal marlin]

Or using an "APL of the APL" that use generic rules to automatically generate an APL optimised for the current set of raid_events.

[atomic bison]

as in just pure dps

[obtuse robin]

its going to be sub

yea sounds liek a mess @tribal marlin

[atomic bison]

ah thought so (if you were referring to my question)

[tribal marlin]

Yeah ... I think it would need to entierely rebuild the simulation engine from scratch to be perfectly functional, and that's hell tons of work, for maybe not something that is worth it.

However you can already have some non-accurate and definitely-not-optimised options to sim specific raid event. You just to need to scroll on the "Fight Style" tab under Simulation Option when starting a sim

These fight_style are usually simple enough that the standards APL remains relevant enough for theim

[thorny pond]

I agree Mik. I think dslice and patchwerk are usually good enough for all intents and purposes

Simming out the bosses entirely isn’t as fun either

[severe narwhal]

is sub really 800dps ahead of sin rogue ST , sorry im out of the loop

[kind talon]

Yes

More than that

Because of DS prepull

[severe narwhal]

So sub for the start ofm 9.1

[tribal marlin]

With full conduits upgrade, full mythic gear (including EoN 259), full renown : Yes.

[severe narwhal]

DS prepull?

[tribal marlin]

No

[kind talon]

Yeah it’s a cheese tactic

[tribal marlin]

I mean, sim don't use it.

[kind talon]

So sub is actually farther ahead

[tribal marlin]

Yes

[swift sky]

ds prepull symbols flag both aren’t calculated afaik

[kind talon]

?

[thorny pond]

?

[kind talon]

Oh

[stone pumice]

Hi, could anyone point me towards some good resources for assassination ST rotation? I have the main points down but I could use more specific help

[kind talon]

Lmao

[tribal marlin]

#subtlety type !deathly

[kind talon]

Symbols flag is calculated iirc

[thorny pond]

Link yer logs

[tribal marlin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[tribal marlin]

All 3 are good.

[kind talon]

It will pull ahead in mythic week when obedience releases

[severe narwhal]

What is DS?

sorry im slow right now

[stone pumice]

Oh I'm picking it up for the first time this tier lol I've ran a few bosses of CN but just as a pug for some missing gear

[kind talon]

@stone pumice if you want specific help then link your logs. If you want general rotational advice then guides are your best bet

Do you have logs

[tribal marlin]

Deeper Stratagem, Deathly Shadow, Dungeon Slice, Dragon Soul

[kind talon]

Deathly shadows

Sub legendary

[stone pumice]

Thank you!

[thorny pond]

Then you’re gonna have to follow the guide and come back to us when you have logs

[severe narwhal]

THANKYOU

[thorny pond]

There isn’t a secret we are hiding

[kind talon]

When you vanish you get max cp and 20% damage for 15 seconds

15% damage for sin and outlaw

[severe narwhal]

omg

[kind talon]

Uh it might be 12 seconds

[severe narwhal]

so lust on pull

LOL

[thorny pond]

?

[kind talon]

You get full and

Snd*

And then the damage aura

[swift sky]

that full snd is so satisfying

[thorny pond]

That some QoL shit

[kind talon]

Iirc the full snd without the damage aura would even be worth it

[thorny pond]

Give sub cttc lol

[kind talon]

LOL

[severe narwhal]

my goodness im

pulliing up tomorrow

with big dam

[kind talon]

Go to #subtlety and type !deathly

@severe narwhal

[severe narwhal]

tyty

[kind talon]

Ye

There’s a

[severe narwhal]

yall so helpful ❤️

[kind talon]

Macro too

Ofc man happy to help

[tribal marlin]

I'll suggest you to start with the RH guide. Gives all infos rotation wise etc... The Wowhead guide is really cool and is a summary of a set of article related to Rogue mechanics and Rogue stuff. Really suggest to go threw it as well

[tribal marlin]

The +20% damage is big tbh

[stone pumice]

I've gone through the wowhead one, but I'll check out the RH one and I'll bet things will start making more sense

[thorny pond]

Yes ? I was agreeing the full snd is satisfying and that’s it a nice quality of life thing

[kind talon]

Topkeke

Sub rogues arguing

In assa channel

[thorny pond]

You’re a yellow clown

[kind talon]

Amongst yellow names

Yeah I was about to say LOL

[tribal marlin]

yeah must go to #subtlety 🙂

[kind talon]

Topkeke

[thorny pond]

No

We need more real estate for sub

[kind talon]

@maiden kelp Wya I missed u

😦

[thorny pond]

Some dude is getting tilted from your pinger

[kind talon]

Nah bro one of these days he’s gonna come back

[kind talon]

Who?

[thorny pond]

@maiden kelp

[green peak]

Why is WoWhead recommending verse/crit for the Obedience lego and haste/crit for every other lego?

[thorny pond]

Because you’ll probably multi spec it

[spice spire]

^

[thorny pond]

And haste is not good for sub but vers is good to great for sin

[green peak]

What if I only do ass?

[spice spire]

Probably same stats as the rest papi

[thorny pond]

If you’re only going sin then crit haste

[kind talon]

Honestly

[thorny pond]

Also your avatar is unnerving

[kind talon]

You can do crit haste for sub too

[thorny pond]

Honestly no

Don’t feelycraft

[kind talon]

Because shadow grasp totem

[thorny pond]

TOTEM

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

DOES TOTEM SCALE?!?

[spice spire]

If you’re doing only sin, haste crit is fine

Stop this nonsense

[kind talon]

Only playing sin

[thorny pond]

I only play sims

[tribal marlin]

tbh the stat you get on cloak/wrist/boots/belt doesn't really matter as long as it is not Mastery, and as long as it is Crit if you don't already have much crit.

[green peak]

I do like 1 mythic a week as outlaw. Not sure if that is worth the consideration.

[thorny pond]

Then wet the bed in raids

[tribal marlin]

Like if you need haste, you'll get some haste ring

[viscid spear]

When's the next Tormentors of Torghast?

[thorny pond]

US?

[kind talon]

Crit verse is good for otl too

[viscid spear]

ya

[thorny pond]

Buck thirty

[kind talon]

Bout 3.50

[tribal marlin]

If you REALLY don't plan on playing other than Assa, maybe Haste / Crit is marginally better than Vers / Crit (not even sure)

[thorny pond]

Translates to 1am est

[kind talon]

Haste crit is better than vers crit

Lol

[viscid spear]

I didn't see one at 11

[kind talon]

Hello?

[thorny pond]

Vers is gaining value

For sin

[kind talon]

_>

[thorny pond]

Vers is also defensive so

[kind talon]

“As we approach the soft cap”

[thorny pond]

When you don’t press your feint

[kind talon]

“If you look at this chart”

[thorny pond]

You won’t die

[kind talon]

Where is vers gaining value doe

Curious now

Simdps?

[thorny pond]

Because stats gain value together

[kind talon]

Oh

Ya

True

[thorny pond]

Like 1000 crit and 1000 haste with 0 vers and 0 mastery isn’t great

[viscid spear]

If the next one is at 1am est then why didn't I see one at 11pm est?

[thorny pond]

I dunno man ask blizzard cos

Did you do them all?

[kind talon]

True

I will prolly go crit verse personally

So I can triple spec it baby

[thorny pond]

I can go whip out some graphs but basically as you gain more of one stat the others gain relative value

[kind talon]

But I’m only crafting a 235 anyways

[viscid spear]

I did yeah, asking for my brother and idk what to say

[kind talon]

Ye

And it loses value in extreme cases

[thorny pond]

There’s a rule in stats about it I forget

But the DR they added onto stats now basically means we wanna be well rounded

No golden ratio but prio your best stats without ignoring lower value ones

[kind talon]

Yeah

It’s why there is no bis list

[green peak]

We have to think 2 years ahead for gear. Gotta prepare for 9.1.5

[kind talon]

Because different gear work together differently which I understand

But even then, a crit haste legendary is going to outperform crit verse

[tribal marlin]

I don't think we'll reach the point where both Crit and Haste are hitting the DR cap

[kind talon]

In 99%

[tribal marlin]

So even if you hit the cap with one stat, the other one will be the go to anyway

[green peak]

What is the current cap?

[tribal marlin]

30%

(40% for crit because we have 10% baseline)

[kind talon]

Mastery is pretty much

Fucked

Different calculation and value for every class

But this is not a “cap” by the way

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

Right but many of us will be reaching crit here soon but as you approach DR even other stats gain drastic value, ie vers

[kind talon]

You gain marginally less

[green peak]

Think they might move the cap?

[kind talon]

No

[tribal marlin]

I won't go into stat chart ever again. I'm confident Haste and Crit are a bit better than Versa, even throught the infamous "scaling process".

[kind talon]

It’s not drastic

Foreverguy did sims

In outlaw channel

Where he got to DR with haste

And it was still his best stat

[thorny pond]

All it does is make you not ignore your 3rd best stat

[kind talon]

For a while

I still want my mastery as low as I can get it

[tribal marlin]

Just avoid mastery and stack haste/crit. Or better : sim yo'self

Really, it's the only true answer to all this

[toxic quail]

wait so currently im sitting at 33% crit, 23% haste, 27% mastery, and 3% vers.

[ornate charm]

sooo Venthyr it is ?

[toxic quail]

even when i sim it always says i want more crit

but i know that vers is mega low

[thorny pond]

Yea crit is high value

link yo top gear

[toxic quail]

kk one sec

okay its running, dont laugh at my Soulbind. I was testing some stuff out tonight with my friends Mythic Sire prog. I was trying to help them get CE and just trying new stuff.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ujqSyYeRB5HWGJJSBbeK76

[thorny pond]

Probably best bind for the week

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hwFcFM2Yas5FDPZb4FJPX2

So basically with the way it shows enchants for vers being 2 dps better it's saying your stats are close enough

[toxic quail]

yeah normally I run Nadja but when I simmed earlier before the raid i was like "what if" and they said 3 potency. so i said fuck it and tried. it wasnt bad. I just like the random Euphoria.

[thorny pond]

and If I go run a stat weight it'll be about the same

You're also EP/Vig

which will start to force the crit value up inherently with venth especially

[toxic quail]

Okay bet. Well hell yeah. Thanks man!

I appreciate your time.

[void pecan]

Do I waste money buying a piece of 230 gear or meh

[swift sky]

define waste, how expensive are they on your realm?

[stray mural]

sorry if this sounds silly but is recuperator just always active on us or is it once per slice and dice for 36 seconds

[obtuse robin]

the better question is is that or the other healing conduit better

[toxic quail]

always waste the money dude. 230 will be decent to hold you over till you get something in that slot.

my dumbass just didnt pay attention to 1st boss dropping shoulders

and bought shoulders haha

[void pecan]

they're like.. 45k

ish

[obtuse robin]

well i did worst i bought 4 pieces and i didnt know you can only equip one

80k a pop on my server

[swift sky]

they are 18k avg on my realm so

[toxic quail]

HAHAAHA dude I was gonna do that today but my friend told me they were unique

RIP Black

[swift sky]

what realm yall playing

those are some expensive boes

[obtuse robin]

area 52

[toxic quail]

^^

We expensive over here

[obtuse robin]

some servers they are like 120k

[swift sky]

crazy considering how easy it is to craft them lol

[obtuse robin]

well not easy

[toxic quail]

I was gonna craft but they raised the damn mats.

[swift sky]

valor points baby

easy hide

[obtuse robin]

u would of have to neckbeard wow sinse 9.1 for the rep

time is money

[toxic quail]

oh damn I didnt even think about Valor points.

SMH

[swift sky]

idk about that its not rly that sweaty of a grind

[obtuse robin]

it is tho lol

u need t3 or t4?

[swift sky]

t4

[obtuse robin]

yea thats sweaty

[toxic quail]

Im 2201 into T4 and I feel like im just chillin

[obtuse robin]

thats alot of camping spots

[swift sky]

u dont camp

u LF

camping is the biggest bait

[toxic quail]

Hop around and run around

[obtuse robin]

yea and certain spots u camp even in groups

[toxic quail]

ez clap

[obtuse robin]

like the tp's

[swift sky]

i have not camped a singular one yet

always LF’d

[obtuse robin]

lucky

[swift sky]

group finder is a blessing

in these dire codex times

[obtuse robin]

now if they just removed the catalog cap

[swift sky]

oh yea the next sweat move is to reach tier 4 then just hold all codex

cause they might unlock cap

or increase it

[obtuse robin]

if they dont change it within like 2-3 days

they wont

[swift sky]

more people are reaching t4 so who knows

with more people complaining maybe they will

it was an issue since ptr testing

anyways answering ur question, personally i think thats too expensive lmfao

but u do u

[obtuse robin]

80k for a 40 dps inrease

worth

[swift sky]

i did have a guildie craft me a crit haste ring for sin

[obtuse robin]

yea thats the one i kept

[radiant fossil]

Guys, is token of appreciation still bugged and break stealth when we have a hot ?

[thorny pond]

Seems 50/50

I have had random breaks all week

[radiant fossil]

alright 😦

[thorny pond]

Sorry just be careful

I have to do more testing

[radiant fossil]

i wont play token

[thorny pond]

But this week was a different goal

[radiant fossil]

im tilted already when my tank doesnt wait and pulls trashs mob without leaving combat

so with token breaking my stealth, i'll punch my monitor

[thorny pond]

If you’re sin it’s kinda whatever

His fault you don’t get iron wire out

[void pecan]

tRUE.

[thorny pond]

Trip garrote can be good energy gen tho

So tldr screw him

[radiant fossil]

😄

[thorny pond]

Or have him chain pull

But all dead into new pack without combat down is hot tilt

Now you got my jimmies ruffled

[radiant fossil]

i can already hear my team "if you dont like it, just play outlaw"

so i guess i'll suffer in silence

[willow vine]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[willow vine]

!talents

[strange python]

!pin

[north basin]

How do u farm catalog rep so fast? Iam able to do 600 rep per 3 hours evening farm, and only at 4/6.5k tier 3 how people already reached 4tier

[toxic quail]

being degenerate haha

killing all the rares in and out the rift in Korthia and The Maw

Anima Vessels

4 Relic Gorgers/Gatherers every day

Helsworn Chest

[hazy geyser]

man getting fucking riftkeys is impossible

[toxic quail]

We out here squeezing every little bit we can so we can get them sockets farmed asap

[rapid yew]

Just hit rank 4 lmao

Also you blundered if you didn't use your key to sweep the caches and then pick up Zovaal's vault at the end to get the Collapsing Riftstone

[hazy geyser]

yeah i didnt know about the collapsing riftstone thing until i was out of riftkeys

[rapid yew]

You can find LFG groups sometimes for Yorik or others where the owner will pop a riftstone

enough time to dunk the boss and haul ass to Zovaal's, although I don't actually know how to get off the Vault of Secrets in rift mode without a wormhole generator

[azure flare]

Theres a spot you can use to glide to the main island

But imo hs or wormhole is faster

[toxic quail]

There is a building by Silent Soulstalker that you can go up the side of thats slanted, go up that and Glider off to the land

but thats only if wormhole is on CD or no wormhole.

[hazy geyser]

i have my hs set on kerathia so that should help

[arctic walrus]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[cunning oxide]

so is DS prepull working at all?

[mortal pike]

how do you work bonespike into assa opener?

[thorny pond]

DS prepull is sub only

Fuu did sims it’s too big to do for sin or ol

[thorny pond]

SBS snd mut

Dump rest on gemstones

[mortal pike]

Okay ty

[rigid mango]

Extra 4% dps

[mossy crown]

does anyone know if the covenant hotfix has went live yet?

[vestal wren]

its fixed on outlaw/sin so its not relevant anymore outside of sub

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

bloodelf(outlaw/sub) and troll(assassination) seemed like the strongest race choices

however it probably highly depends on your gear level

e.g. vulpera did sim higher in a earlier sim

[fallen arch]

Mechagnome

[fallen arch]

Yes

Used it yesterday on alt

[vestal wren]

mechagnome def. seems to be the choice for alliance

races on horde are closer

[fallen arch]

Too bad they look like stupid little toy robots

So I’ll stick with void elf

Don’t care about 0.06% extra dps

Or w/e

[rigid tartan]

Might swap to mechagnome for prog. Wasted some money on human in the expectation it would help on rep farm

[vestal wren]

they are all within ~.1%

so all of them are fine

[fallen arch]

It does

Just not codex

[rigid tartan]

It helps to feel like I’ve done what I could

[mossy crown]

brilliant, back to being a vampire

[sonic berry]

are the latest sims numbers for 80 renown soulbinds or 40?

[balmy condor]

Full mythic 80 renown

[plain atlas]

Hey all - question, Nerco Cov Rogue - Doing outlaw for m+ but assn for raid - best lego for nerco assn?

[oak sky]

Doomblade

[plain atlas]

ty

[meager iron]

is fine razorwing quill better than any trinket besides phial?

[cyan dew]

Do we have a trinket bis list?

[idle shard]

razorwing quill is not bis according to my sims but its only 200 ilvl

I have a 220 phial and 220 ooze

Ill run a gear compare with a higher ilvl version

[timid talon]

I had high hopes for the raid trinkets before we had sims

They left me disappointed 😦

[idle shard]

wait again, just to be sure

how long can u hold flag to line it up with vendetta + shiv + vanish?

[timid talon]

10 seconds

wait

no that's shiv

ignore me, i should have read fully what you said first

[idle shard]

lmao

[limber lion]

None

You don't hold Flag.

[timid talon]

yeah, rip it on CD

[idle shard]

the thing is that in pins says "only line with vendetta if you wont miss a cast" but tbh I dont understand that lol

[limber lion]

You only hold the very last one if you don't miss out on a cast

Meaning that if

You have a 5minute encounter as an example.

You sync Flag with Vendetta everytime

So 0mins, 2mins and 4mins

You get 3 casts off, right?

By slamming it on CD you'd use it at 0mins, 1.5mins, 3mins and 4.5mins

So 4 casts.

By syncing, you just lost a cast.

[thorny rampart]

yo family

this counts as an extra bleed for doomblade?

[idle shard]

Oooh I get it, ok so basically press it on CD

[limber lion]

It's fine to try to sync the very very last flag/vend but that's about it.

[idle shard]

but before a finisher right

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Yes

[idle shard]

so always build up the -1 cp and then flag

[limber lion]

Ye

[idle shard]

aight good thing I was already doing it that way lol

just pressing it on cd right before a finisher

ty cerv

[thorny rampart]

i will test

[idle shard]

also, idk why Im doing basically the same sustained dps with blindslide and DS

same as EP Vigor haha

[errant plover]

yo, bloodmallet seriously using obediance in all those sims (thus adds 0 dps to non venthyr covenants)?

[limber lion]

Because the difference is so small you probably don't even notice it.

[limber lion]

Of course not

It uses the best choice for each covenant

[idle shard]

good thing, cuz I actually like EP + Vigor, feels better for me

[limber lion]

Meaning Doomblade for others, Ob for Venth

[errant plover]

herodamage only has necro 500 dps below venthyr

the bloodmallet sims seem drastically off

[plain atlas]

but fine razorwing quill would be higher value if you could change cov to nerco w/doomblade, right?

[floral shoal]

Isn't Obedience on renown 48, can't get it to start the raid anyway

[limber lion]

I wouldn't trust either website's sims too closely

[umbral rapids]

Correct

[limber lion]

Should be able to on Mythic

[steady glen]

Hey guys anyone know what ilvl of the new hardmode quest reward neck will be?

[umbral rapids]

233?

[dim ledge]

229 iirc

[lavish pulsar]

Howdy Gamers 🤠 . If I'm planning on Sub for ST, and Ass for 2-3 Target, for my first Legendary in 9.1 I want to go for Obedience, right? And until Obedience, Ass should outperform Sub?

[steady glen]

oh? cuz wowhead states 200

so im abit confused

[dim ledge]

nah im 99% sure its 229

[umbral rapids]

And i have no idea what i’m talking about

So there’s that

[steady glen]

so for assa should i grab the crafted neck?

or is the quest neck gonna be better

[dim ledge]

looks like 226

[steady glen]

since they nerfed the proc

[brisk forge]

Grab neck or ring depends on what is ur worst piece

[thorny rampart]

@limber lion fine razorwing quill does nothing for doomblade

trust

tested it with 2 simple daggers, 10 envenom sample size, averages out the same hitting 10 env with or without the trinket bleed

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Yes, but Sub should beat Assa already even without obedience, especially if you have the daggers. Just gotta sim yourself.

[vestal wren]

you need the daggers to drop tho

[limber lion]

Depends on what legendaries/gear you're comparing

[limber lion]

Just get em. Easy.

[lavish pulsar]

It would be Finality vs Doomblade 👀 . I'll get to simmin'

[timid talon]

do we know if the dwarf racial clears any debuffs in SoD yet?

[lavish pulsar]

neat, regem and Sub is higher in single target. gonna own to swap so much

so excited for it

[limber lion]

[lone minnow]

is there any sims with the daggers yet?

[frosty cedar]

yes the current ones

[strange silo]

Do we know if we can safe callings for valor or just do them today?

[neon cloak]

GL with the daggers

[limber lion]

You should be able to.

[limber lion]

[shadow tusk]

Did they fix the sylv daggers if u Got multiple people using Them

[brisk forge]

Fixed

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[arctic walrus]

Sub sim beat out sin with the current poison bug. That is however assuming equal conduit ilvls which may not directly apply so early into the tier

[shadow tusk]

Whats the poison bug?

[limber lion]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[dry void]

i assume mfd feeding obed is a loss cuz its not the default right?

[shadow tusk]

blizzard

[limber lion]

Yes. All talent combos were simmed afaik and bs/ds still pulls ahead.

[dry void]

👍

[zenith trellis]

what u guys grabbin for 3rd potency boioz

[terse talon]

sub beats assa in 2-3 target fights aswell?

[vestal wren]

no

sub is bad on low target cleave

[umbral rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[umbral rapids]

is there a command for whisp's spreadsheet ?

[limber lion]

They're literally in the pins

[umbral rapids]

oh that's it

[arctic walrus]

Sim

[frosty bridge]

@limber lion sticking to Sin until mythic week? Or are you on the Sub train tomorrow too?

[limber lion]

I'll be playing both

[void vessel]

is the trinket fine razorwing quill good for assa

?

[north basin]

If i change cov today from necro back to venthyrs, how much time does the process take considering blizz no bertrayer penalty fix

?

[maiden cliff]

@limber lion did you stay necro in the end?

[limber lion]

Around 5 seconds to skip through the dialogue.

[limber lion]

No, I'm a Venthyr boy again

[north basin]

5 sec and no more questing?)

[scenic meteor]

I've been away for a while, so obedience is bis for both sub and sin for all ST and AOE? lol sounds bloody good to me

[vestal zodiac]

and we only have to hope it doesn't get nerfed cause not available heroic week

[north basin]

Never came back frompervious cov this xpac

[scenic meteor]

Pretty sure they introduced a thing where you can switch back to a covenant instantly once

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[south belfry]

Get converted

[copper sundial]

gonna stick to necro myself until obedience is out next week. Should make m+ farming slightly better.

[north basin]

Iam just afraid if i swap back to venthyr and necro suddenly become fotm myth progress cov. Decisions decisions...

[limber lion]

Yeh if you're into that sort of thing

[limber lion]

But then you can just swap back instantly again

[copper sundial]

its not too bad to swap back

[limber lion]

[north basin]

Insta swap back lol?

No 2 weeks waiting

Blizzard gave 1 ticket only ? Or its unlimited

[scenic meteor]

1

What cov are you rn Rey?

Reset is today or tomorrow so do they first quest now, then the second after reset

[north basin]

Right now necro

[scenic meteor]

well pick up the venth switch quest and so it, then do the second one after reset and you will be venth tomorrow

Then use your insta change if obedience gets nerfs or whatever

[ancient rain]

U can't change with quest then instant change back lol

[north basin]

Hmm, u have 2 options in dialogue while switching? Like normal way of 2 resets and the no penalty way?