So what would be the threshholf for Not being severely undergeared
#assassination
arctic hare
balmy condor
like 220
dense cedar
224?
oak sky
Maybe like me
arctic hare
I’m only still 204 cause I couldn’t do anything on a trip
oak sky
Im like 221
arctic hare
Won’t be able to till raid comes out
balmy condor
220 is like "I'm a normal/heroic raider and don't really play much but I get my cache every week and maybe some valor upgrades"
dense cedar
ur gear defs isn't up to raiding
arctic hare
Oh boy!
oak sky
Whispyr nailed it
arctic hare
Raiding the new normal raid?
oak sky
Lol
arctic hare
Jeez, not doing any ‘+ realllllllly hindered me
balmy condor
no, like raiding nathria
balmy condor
raiding new normal raid and doing some keys will easily get you to 230-235
dense cedar
mixed messages
arctic hare
Oh, good to know
oak sky
Because you would get upgrades from heroic at that point
arctic hare
I’ll prolly be raiding the new normal raid, so that should help so much
Then I’m definitely planning on ksm so even better
balmy condor
I basically did nothing but 15's and heroic raid and I got to 225 pretty comfortably
arctic hare
Oh wow
arctic hare
Right, which I’m sure is huge
oak sky
I got ksm late since im newer to the game which is why im a little undergeared
And then no guild no mythic raid so
dense cedar
There are people new to the game?
arctic hare
Lol, well duh
balmy condor
not really "well duh"
covert belfry
"I basically did nothing but 15's and heroic raid and I got to 225 pretty comfortably"
balmy condor
wow has a pretty low new player rate
arctic hare
Lol, yeah
dense cedar
like its not often I see a name at endgame i haven't seen since at least bfa
balmy condor
I mean on the grand scale of players, sure
dense cedar
on realm-wise
viscid spear
I'm only 218 
balmy condor
but for a discord like this, heroic raiding 5-6 hours a week and one +15
white igloo
for farming low level renown, is it spamming heroic dungeons or normals?
balmy condor
is really not that crazy
arctic hare
Hmm, interesting
balmy condor
the fact that you're in this server already puts you well above the "Average player"
the average player is pet battling in korthia atm
balmy condor
never underestimate how casual the playerbase is
arctic hare
Lol, so I’m more than a filthy casual now, yay!?
balmy condor
I went to a raid for one of my friends, normal, they had 24 people, were progging on sludgefist
both tanks were top 5 damage
arctic hare
Oh god
ember tangle
Yo new to rogue i'm planning going for +20 and mithic raid
ember tangle
Should i stay necro or is venthyr op?
balmy condor
Wait, how’d they get to sludge in the first place?
4 months of grinding
arctic hare
Wow
I, kinda feel bad for them
Wait, was it heroic?
Oh, you said normal
Dumb question, nvm
ember tangle
Oh My Bad
oak sky
Normal is do some mechanics press keys on keyboard, or hell, click abilities, kill boss
arctic hare
Ohhhhh boy
Sounds about right there
I don’t think I’ve ever mythic raided, I’m tempted to try but i feel like it’d most likely be too stressful
oak sky
Shriek isnt that hard
arctic hare
That lantern mechanic sounds nasty
oak sky
Nah just one guy deals with it
arctic hare
Oh, hmm, cool
vague falcon
well .. its only one dude that carries all the responsibility
oak sky
The lantern gets big so it can hit everyone while its being carried
Then you just dip into it to see the donuts
arctic hare
Really? I thought it was a small radius
vague falcon
depends on what you qualify as big
arctic hare
What about huntsman?
arctic hare
Actually, thats a pretty good size
oak sky
Might be a little smaller or bigger
Bottom line its plenty big enough that everyone crowding the pillar is in jt
vague falcon
Sure
arctic hare
So as long as you’re in it, you can see every donut?
gusty mirage
I went to a raid for one of my friends, normal, they had 24 people, were proggin...
why are you exposing me like this? 
oak sky
As long as you have the debuff actually
balmy condor
shriek is just one guy touches the lantern every now and then
altimor is you have to assign soaks or else people gonna die with the sinseeker
hungering is you can't stack on the circles all the time
inerva is just more messy all the time
vague falcon
you get a debuff that allows you to see
the lantern carrier basically dips in and out of the raid
making sure the debuff never drops
balmy condor
in general, mythic adds or changes 1-2 mechanics at most
and then just makes everything much tighter
got bigger dps checks, if you fuck up the easy stuff you're gonna die
balmy condor
the aoe stuff stresses the healers more
pure sinew
Not for warriors 😎
pure sinew
Ye warriors can soak like 20 stacks
arctic hare
Jeez
arctic hare
Thats ridiculous
oak sky
I was waiting on a group to find a guy in m shriek pug and they got a prot warr to 99 stacks
pure sinew
Even tho arms isn't bad because of mortal wounds
I can soak 30 on shriek before the lantern ticks got too much
white igloo
If i craft a rank 4 cloak with Doomblade on it now, will it come with a socket?
white igloo
how about pants?
oak sky
Its like wrists neck ring ring and belt
vague falcon
wdym how about pants .. have you seen pants with a socket in the last 8 months?
white igloo
Thanks Whispyr
balmy condor
head/shoulder/chest/hand/feet are domination sockets from raid
vague falcon
you are missing head
spice spire
What they said. Only slots you can get a socket and not a Dom socket on.
Dom sockets go there so we won’t craft them this tier LMAO
Dom sockets cool in theory, but not a fan of hamstringing the legendary slots
tribal marlin
Inerva is more than just a bigger mess : When you open the tap it doesn't remove the anima stacked from the encounter, but insteed just transfer it to another canister
It's irrelevant change post-nerf + gear, but was a big dps check early on
timid talon
the raid trinket are kind of a let down on sims
i thought maybe we'd see one of them be sorta viable
timid talon
Eh they'd have to get a buff to compete with sgt or phial
tribal marlin
this one is very good
idk about others
This one was doing same damage than 233 Sire's trinket at 226 ilvl on PTR when I tested it
too bad it's arcane damage and not shadow tho
sonic schooner
Looks like memory inerva trinket thing 
tribal marlin
It's just a thing you activate and it deal damage
On PTR it was not sharing CD with other on use trinket tho
I wonder if it has been fixed
sonic schooner
No CD shared 
mortal pike
sleek sundial
i mean... if youre not pushing mythic hall of fame, you can play what you want 
runic sequoia
Even then, you can prolly play Venth or Necro
sleek sundial
necro is super dece on sin right?
tribal marlin
Venthyr Sub is really fun to play tho
I mean, the covenant ability really fit the playstyle. It's too bad the buff is haste and not something else (but thanks Obediance)
Necro is fine on Sin yeah
Really fit the spec well
arctic hare
Yeah
runic sequoia
What sims
odd hazel
obtuse robin
old sims
frosty cedar
- poison bug
runic sequoia
Isn't that just... OL Lego sims?
night leaf
yea different weapon
obtuse robin
u can go directly to the sim docs
they r updated there
pins will be updated later
kind talon
It’s not
night leaf
where are the docs
obtuse robin
to small
kind talon
frosty cedar
obtuse robin
all 3 specs in the top 10
kind talon
Yes
obtuse robin
sheesh
kind talon
Sheesh
arctic hare
Oh wow, sin looks pretty good there
kind talon
lol
obtuse robin
and uses the same cov as sub so when ever you feel like makijng a swap
arctic hare
Which first boss you gotta move a ton
obtuse robin
balmy condor
Sub also makes sense, until you have to move
dead meme
spice spire
Was it? Our sub brothers have been down long enough
Now they get their chance to shine 
kind talon
But not next week
kind talon
Week after kekw
arctic hare
Oh, right…
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
Wait for what
arctic hare
For new legoes
obtuse robin
cov leggo
kind talon
Monk?
wooden knot
feral
kind talon
Nah fam obedience is best st leggo for outlaw
balmy condor
Toxic
its more toxic to already have 25 good legendaries
outlaw is a little undertuned though
wise gull
flat kiln
it's interesting that none of the cov legos are going get tested during heroic week before tuning
wooden knot
switch to venth before the free cov-rejoin-thing so you can rejoin necro without the penalty
dense cedar
they should make pistol shot 800% attack power imho
balmy condor
give em like a 5% aura buff and nerf flurry by 2-3% to keep the cleave in check
arctic hare
800%?
balmy condor
it did
dense cedar
i think they should leave flurry alone
loud silo
should i put doomblade on cloak for 9.1
balmy condor
i think they should leave flurry alone
outlaw has a unique problem where buffing single target directly buffs cleave by a higher magnitude
so if outlaw needs a single target buff, and not an aoe/cleave buff, you need to pull back on flurry
there's no way around it
odd hazel
because flurry makes ALL your damage cleave
arctic hare
Right
odd hazel
not only a certain %
hollow jungle
buff pistol shot then lol
arctic hare
Imagine if bladeflurry worked with rupture
spice spire
Yeah outlaw is definitely unique in that regard. They’ve been down bad for so long though ST. Deserve a chance to shine
arctic hare
Have a cleave rupture on every enemy
balmy condor
buff pistol shot then lol
then you get pistol shot legendaries becoming unbalanced
spice spire
But their cleave is absolutely absurd 
obtuse robin
@balmy condor did nadjia DD Doomblade sim so low that its not on the sim chart?
hollow jungle
that's why balance is so bs when you have 25 iterations with rando abilities of borrowed power
arctic hare
That might’ve been one of the only things I actually really liked about outlaw
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> did nadjia DD Doomblade sim so low that its not on the si...
if you're playing nadjia you're venthyr, and if you're venthyr, you're not playing doomblade
arctic hare
The bladeflurry mechanic
hollow jungle
well, we're doomblade for what 3 or 4 more weeks right?
balmy condor
week and a half
burnt star
Outlaw sim us with fist and g
Dagger. How did they calculate it?
hollow jungle
oh wtf, we get 6 renown that quick? it go up to 3 a week?
dense cedar
@balmy condor You're right i just don't want it to be true
balmy condor
Outlaw sim us with fist and g
Dagger. How did they calculate it?
wdym how did they calculate it
obtuse robin
well sure but uare gonna be this week
arctic hare
lol
balmy condor
the main hand is a fist with an effect
the offhand is a dagger with an effect
they sim the effects
ez pz
burnt star
Well our sim isnt using it though
balmy condor
oh wtf, we get 6 renown that quick? it go up to 3 a week?
yes, the campaign starts next week
balmy condor
Well our sim isnt using it though
sin can't use fists?
burnt star
The dagger obviously
tribal marlin
Dagger are in, pins are outdated
kind talon
hollow jungle
ah, so what's the eta on the obedience nerf?
tribal marlin
kind talon
This is real sim
balmy condor
https://i.imgur.com/HnpCFtp.png
kind talon
ah, so what's the eta on the obedience nerf?
U just baited me into checking wowhead
U motherfucker
🥱
kind talon
Shutup man
balmy condor
balmy condor
yuh
burnt star
Well i stopped at the first line. Saw it was the same date. Didnt reread everything. Guilty
balmy condor
whats good brother
empty tide
obedience is a crazy lego, specially for sub
tribal marlin
I don't think they will nerf Obedience. But they might nerf Sylvanas Dagger
spice spire
Fuck
balmy condor
poy I will beat your ass
arctic hare
6 years? Tou two ain’t married?
balmy condor
:3
spice spire
Wait whispyr, Twinsies
balmy condor
6 years? Tou two ain’t married?
I'm 21 
spice spire
Six years next month 
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
If I get better at simming wow Whispyr will love me
arctic hare
I’m just sayin, 6 years is a crazy long time
kind talon
arctic hare
Must be a good relationship to stay with em for that long
spice spire
my anxiety
Go at your own pace king. I’m 28 and just now proposing, we were LDR for 3 though
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
Go at your own pace king. I’m 28 and just now proposing, we were LDR for 3 thoug...
Sheeeeesh good luck king
balmy condor
Go at your own pace king. I’m 28 and just now proposing, we were LDR for 3 thoug...
licking donut rings? 
spice spire
I’m just sayin, 6 years is a crazy long time
Ring doesn’t magically make it a forever union, all of that comes with the relationship
kind talon
When are you proposing?
spice spire
licking donut rings? <:MonkaW:740989877168111726>
Long distance lmao
balmy condor
oh
spice spire
Gotta travel without her knowing to speak to her dad about it
spice spire
Ring and all on me, you know Mf gotta stay strapped
kind talon
Yikes
kind talon
Whispyr
balmy condor
I got baited
kind talon
When ur talking about
balmy condor
dense cedar
Assassination rogue
balmy condor
arctic hare
LOL
kind talon
U need to watch ur step
arctic hare
Didn’t expect that train of thought ahahahah
kind talon
Or he will end u man
arctic hare
Tbh, yeah. You will get assassinated
balmy condor
U need to watch ur step
my shadowstep
assassination only gets 1 charge
crazy
I think shiv is cool
saved it
kind talon
Shiv is sicko mode
spice spire
Guarantee now 2
kind talon
Especially when your girlfriends dad shivs you
spice spire
arctic hare
lol
balmy condor
kind talon
Now you take more damage when you mow his lawn
white igloo
./cloak,vanish, sprint
kind talon
The grass! Ah!
spice spire
The off topic police would like a word, poy 🙂
balmy condor
The off topic police would like a word, poy 🙂
can't catch him, his helmet makes him wicked fast
spice spire
WICKED
spice spire
My boomer weakness
kind talon
Pool before every envenom
arctic hare
lol
spice spire
Evasion tanking huge key strat
dense cedar
Remembering when this channel was basically dead at expansion launch
spice spire
Ye
dense cedar
and every third message was @balmy condor being sad
balmy condor
What made you go to sin whispyr?
like originally, or this patch?
arctic hare
There is nothing there about obedience getting nerfed that I saw
dense cedar
crisp steppe
thorny pond
what a great troll
arctic hare
lol
dense cedar
This is the outlaw channel
thorny pond
remove your yella
kind talon
Idk man I just explained legendary crafting for 10 minutes for someone to not listen to me
thorny pond
Idk man I just explained legendary crafting for 10 minutes for someone to not li...
Now you know my pain
crisp steppe
This guys name is clown
balmy condor
Actually, I guess both
so originally I played sub for all of wod (when I first started), but then the class order hall theme, along with kingsbane and the poison/bleed fantasy was sick to me, so I went sin for a large part of legion, swapping to sub for some keys and dfa gameplay, then I played sub for zul, it got hammered, and I played sin the rest of the expansion. Played sub at the start when sin was unplayable
now I'm playing both
kind talon
How did 8.3 sin feel
dense cedar
Legion Sin 
balmy condor
How did 8.3 sin feel
I didn't like it after a while, but it was a fresh interesting take
grizzled orbit
Legion sin was insanely good.
hollow haven
Poison bomb was insane
oak sky
I wish i was around
Then
I feel like if i had started in legion that wouldve been so cool
arctic hare
I was around then, but I was playing as havoc
kind talon
We have poison bottle
balmy condor
it was just as boring in legion
kind talon
No poison bomb
balmy condor
except it did like 15% of your damage
kind talon
Wait
arctic hare
Jeez
kind talon
Am I fried
arctic hare
Yes
balmy condor
yes
arctic hare
Yes you are
balmy condor
fried like a fish
kind talon
Oh
kind talon
Oh man
balmy condor
call the fire department
arctic hare
I think you both need some sleep lol
spice spire
Whispyr doesn’t sleep
oak sky
I think if i started before legion i wouldnt have liked wow tho
kind talon
I do need a lot of sleep
But my boy agreon is on rn so
I kinda wanna chat with him
😦
arctic hare
lol
oak sky
Nah just go
spice spire
Truly wicked bros
kind talon
Ok king
oak sky
Im going for a walk
kind talon
👑
oak sky
Ill be back sometime later tho
kind talon
U dropped this
nova verge
Guys, how good in general is Fine Razorwing Quill from Korthia chests?
spice spire
Guys, how good in general is Fine Razorwing Quill from Korthia chests?
Not that great iirc. Many trinkets will be better, especially with better ilvl
kind talon
Dogshit
dense cedar
Poison bomb used to be invisible
nova verge
Alright. =/ Thanks
dense cedar
very funny
kind talon
Still is sometimes
dense cedar
in legion only other rogues could see your poison bomb
kind talon
When I’m looking at my weakaura the whole time I never see pb drop
dense cedar
no other classes could
meaning you'd have to call it out in keys
which is really dumb
kind talon
Oh lol
thorny pond
In legion PB was so busted you could be 20 ilvls lower than another rogue and get carried by it
upbeat needle
in BFA TD was so busted you could be 3 ilvl and still get carried by it
what a time to be alive 😢
thorny pond
Tylenol PM is what you want
fleet anchor
@balmy condor have a fancy new commandline for you that will keep people from getting as confused by your charts 😛
thorny pond
negative values!?
tribal marlin
negative values!?
IT's common to compare things to the best yes.
thorny pond
Sorry my /s wasn't there
balmy condor
oh my god that's excellent
fleet anchor
Baseline from the max DPS rather than the min in the report, which makes it more stable since min actors can change based on how many things are in the sim
relative_difference_from_max=1
balmy condor
is that on top of chart_show_relative_difference
fleet anchor
Yes
balmy condor
okay
fleet anchor
Technically there was already relative_difference_base
but you had to specify the actor name
And know which to use as a baseline in advance
This just always uses the max
So seems more useful
balmy condor
ty I coomed
fleet anchor
About to check it in
thorny pond
lmao
fleet anchor
3 hours
thorny pond
Can we buy you a drink yet bud?
fleet anchor
You have to stay up until 2am to do it
balmy condor
well I get home at 1am PST
so if raidbots builds are midnight EST
I'm CHILLLLLLLLLLLLIN
fleet anchor
Nah they are like 2am EST
spice spire
Gonna wake up to pins fresh off the grill
thorny pond
Check for wire fragments
oak sky
New pins
brisk dew
to swap to necro or stay venth 🤔
stone pumice
what classes can loot daggers? or specs?
loud silo
should i put doomblade on hands or cloak
hollow jungle
@stone pumice sub/sin
stone pumice
no other class can loot them?
hollow jungle
not agi daggers
stone pumice
ah that makes sense
dense cedar
stone pumice
So i have a sort of newbie question, I went with the talents of alacrity and vigor following wowhead for ST. Having just started playing assassination. Should I be swapping those for Marked for Death and Exsanguinate to up the overall dps output that is possible?
hollow jungle
you would get more dps potentially from swapping vigor to deeper stratagem in a ST scenario then you would with MfD
stone pumice
ah ok, and swap to exsanguinate as well?
hollow jungle
no, alacrity is the recommended talent ST last i checked
stone pumice
ah ok, thanks!
thorny pond
ah ok, and swap to exsanguinate as well?
Never exsang fwiw
oak sky
Alacrity is insane
balmy condor
ah ok, and swap to exsanguinate as well?
exsang is actually the weakest talent on the entire tree
balmy condor
yeah alacrity is among the highest
balmy condor
EP in aoe is pretty good
EP in aoe just turns into 80% uptime on 10% damage
quite good
jade hollow
Is sin simming as best raid spec now?
spice spire
Yes on vampires tho
balmy condor
venthyr sub with obedience is really really high
obedience in general is very strong
jade hollow
venthyr sub with obedience is really really high
Yeah it is hella high
thorny pond
In practical sense, sin will still preform well and be desirable on some fights
hollow jungle
EP for me sims higher than bs...sadge
hollow jungle
-less buttons and more boring
thorny pond
then play sub
hollow jungle
yea...by 37 deeps
balmy condor
send the sim
thorny pond
link?
balmy condor
ep/vig simming higher than bs/deeper?
thorny pond
Thank u
spice spire
Still crazy
hollow jungle
lemme dbl check
spice spire
Possibly huge?
hollow jungle
may have misclicked and sim'd just ep/vig vs bs/vig lmao
yea, big dumb...forgot to swap strat in. bs/strat still +55 to ep/vig
thorny pond
EP/Vig is commonly close
hollow jungle
i can't stand ds...even slower
hollow jungle
can't wait to sim over 10k...oof
thorny pond
gonna be a minute
hollow jungle
excuse? didn't see a neck
thorny pond
rangs and nex
hollow jungle
f
thorny pond
I had some scrub stat neck
hollow jungle
oh didn't notice these 230 blues w/ hole...hmmm
thorny pond
I'm a 230 blue with a ... hole?
hollow jungle
kek
balmy condor
I'm a 230 blue with a ... hole?
thorny pond
Sin channel after midnight. Full of sexy dirty sinners #off-topic
long furnace
does darkmoon faire rep bonus work bois on korthia quests?
mortal patrol
it doesn't
toxic root
yep it doesnt
hollow jungle
can't find where on the quick sim, but are we using sharpening stones or oil?
balmy condor
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
hollow jungle
lit, ty
white igloo
Someone in here said they were getting 3 renown per heroic dungeon run… I’ve determined that not to be true for me
white igloo
1-24
white igloo
Sounds about right
oak sky
Ive heard people say they only got 1 from some campaign so idk
white igloo
I’m going to do a normal CN tomorrow in hopes to grab a few more low level renown
oak sky
Good luck
cedar cloak
Anyone know where we will be crafting obedience?
tribal marlin
Cloak
cedar cloak
Cheers 👍
civic trellis
Do we ignore energy pooling if env buff is not up?
I dont see any priority about that in the APL so i guess... we don't?
indigo mulch
!pb
prisma monolithBOT
Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss
craggy basin
soo if I am raid focused with keys just for maintaining ilvl, and I am playing assassination/outlaw should i still stay necro or swap back to venth?
heavy roost
Anyone know what the loot lockout is like for the mega dungeon?
hollow river
weekly
heavy roost
Thanks
fallen arch
soo if I am raid focused with keys just for maintaining ilvl, and I am playing a...
Venthyr looks best now for raid
It’s your choice, but if you focus on raid probably best to swap to venthyr
granite jackal
Hi ya all! So I am moving over to rogue for this tier and am curious of what leggo I should craft first. I know at renown 48 we get the venth one, but since that is like 2 weeks out was wondering if the doom blade or zoldyk was better. I tried searching for pins, but I am on mobile so perhaps thats why I can't see them
toxic root
Hi ya all! So I am moving over to rogue for this tier and am curious of what leg...
doomblade better for raid , zoldyck better for m+
granite jackal
Thanks so much!!
civic trellis
Do we ignore energy pooling if env buff is not up?
Actually its neutral
strange python
what would be the better item for zoldyck, legs or feet or it doesn't matter?
median aurora
legs
strange python
thanks
indigo mulch
Actually its neutral
You pool to 80ish then envenom then 2x mut then pool to 80 again before you envenom.
civic trellis
@indigo mulch I know
I was wondering if it would be a dps gain to not pool if env buff was down
But its neutral
indigo mulch
I don't think it is, but don't quote me on that. D:
fallen arch
It’s best to pool before every envenom
Rule of nature (damage)
Just like you press shiv once it comes off cooldown
kindred crescent
is it worth doing m+ yet
timid talon
ya get that 20 done
drifting cloud
yeah its -3 from blue post
fallen arch
Neat
slender berry
long furnace
With so many slots blocked you will have to do at least 4 m+ a week imho
hollow nebula
Hi all new and to ass rogue is there any decent YouTube vids from rogue on playing mythic + like a guide etc 👍 or who’s your go to
zenith hatch
hmmm doomblade goes on back now in 9.1 ye?
night cipher
Yeah because of domination gems taking the other leggo slots
zenith hatch
yeah cool ty
balmy condor
Hi all new and to ass rogue is there any decent YouTube vids from rogue on playi...
Go-to usually is written guides like wowhead/icyveins
YouTube guides are often wrong
soft shale
i can vouch for wowhead ones they are mantained real well for the most part
pure sinew
Real Bois read the APL and learn that way
civic trellis
Go-to usually is written guides like wowhead/icyveins
That guy is pretty good imo
wrong tag sorry
civic trellis
Hi all new and to ass rogue is there any decent YouTube vids from rogue on playi...
@hollow nebula if you wanna look at twitch that guy is pretty good
strange python
I just got the Fine Razorwing Quill trinket, is it good, should I upgrade it? Am asking because I don't see it in the icy-veins guide anywhere, or I'm blind
strange python
yeah heard about the int one, it's crazy and I am sure it's going to get nerfed
teal bloom
I haven't simmed the quill myself but it's been said here that it isn't good
brazen fern
Are.sylvanas daggers now good or not? Maybe i missundeestood the pin
azure bronze
I just got the Fine Razorwing Quill trinket, is it good, should I upgrade it? Am...
It's crap
azure bronze
Are.sylvanas daggers now good or not? Maybe i missundeestood the pin
They are bis
strange python
@teal bloom ah okay thanks, it's still better than my old 141 trinket lol am not so long level 60 @azure bronze
brazen fern
@azure bronze 
teal bloom
Yeah then it's definitely worth using 😄
azure bronze
Yeah then it's a good upgrade
strange python
🙂 and I went Emeni as my girl, hope I did a good choice
but okay so I wont upgrade it will rather update the other gear than the trinket then
azure bronze
🙂 and I went Emeni as my girl, hope I did a good choice
You want to use heirmir with gemstones once you have unlocked him as assa
strange python
ah okay, thanks!
strange python
You want to use heirmir with gemstones once you have unlocked him as assa
you meant Marrowed Gemstones, right? Got it unlocked
west cove
Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's ...
thats why mouseover macro sucks on assa
true abyss
Is there any official Assasination PvP 9.1 builds available online yet? Including discussing skill rotation/binding setup?
azure bronze
Is there any official Assasination PvP 9.1 builds available online yet? Includin...
ask in #pvp they might know more
true abyss
@azure bronze I did ask a similar question but still waiting
azure bronze
Ah okay
past jolt
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
echo geyser
Is this deadly poison application bug known by blizz?
cyan venture
what stats should obedience be if playing ass/outlaw?
strange silo
is it right that Draven sims best for me with 15dps ahead of theotar 3 potency? kinda feels weird
manic merlin
what stats should obedience be if playing ass/outlaw?
If you are aiming on playing both specks just remember that as outlaw there is a thing as too much haste
undone eagle
one question regarding next week when season 2 starts for m+, i'll do a m+ for the vault reward but the week after that ill be on vacation and unfortunately not able to take my reward, will it remain there until i return or will it be gone?
cyan venture
If you are aiming on playing both specks just remember that as outlaw there is a...
so haste/vers is okay?
fallen arch
But as a rule I think for sin raids it would be crit/haste
manic merlin
My Heart temms me it would be better to go haste/crit. But you should sim it once raidbot has that in order
hoary night
Crit/haste is better
echo geyser
Venthyr prefs less haste anyway, cant rly go wrong with crit vers
Making that so works perfect for all 3 specs
manic merlin
Hey, are you venth bois swithing to necro or Meh?
manic merlin
I'm not sure if its worthing, helps with the uptime and its super spiciy on m+. But I fill i'm loosing to much ST for raiding and I mainly mythic raid...
ancient rain
I'm not sure if its worthing, helps with the uptime and its super spiciy on m+. ...
I beleive "too much ST" is an overstatement
manic merlin
It's the opposite happening
Really? thats warms my heart man
hoary night
I'm necro rn and plan to switch to vent after getting my last 20s' portal
manic merlin
I beleive "too much ST" is an overstatement
Taking into account obedience has almost a 3% delta with doomblade
and well, acording to whispyr sims at has a LOT more delta between necro+doomblade and nadjia+obedience
as far as mythic raid encounters go, their a lot more ST than CN
ancient rain
Honestly if I cared about myrhic raiding only I'd be venthyr too. I need bone spike for pvp so i'm staying necro
manic merlin
Honestly if I cared about myrhic raiding only I'd be venthyr too. I need bone sp...
Yeah If i cared that much about PVP I would probably go for necro too
But I'm one of those strange rogues that don't pvp 😄
ancient rain
Also, u have cloak of shadows on any covenant and that's the only reason u need to exist in a raid so
manic merlin
Same, Necro provably the best overall for sin/outlaw + m+ +raid + arenas /rbgs
Mmm, don't know about that, I know the pins says that for sin/outlaw its better to go necro
manic merlin
Also, u have cloak of shadows on any covenant and that's the only reason u need ...
I strongly disagree with that
There are so few mechanics on sanctum and CN where cloak was trully usefull
Aspect of the turtle, AMB, reflect, blur, bop, and mage icecube are stronger
This became pretty obvius on denathrius last phase, where massacre, knockback and ravage was going at the same time, and everyone pops their invul and rogues only relly have cheat death o luck to not die to that
ancient rain
Well sir, on Sire P3 I pop cloak and shadowstep the tank the moment i get knocked
manic merlin
Cloak doesn't stop the knockback (well, knockin really) or massacre damage for happening
ancient rain
Shadowstep does
manic merlin
yea I ended up shadowstepping to a mage that blinked far away, when the knockbacks occurs
(mage on my side of the mirror)
but all others melees where just facetaking all that shit like nothing was going on :S
And thats what I'm trying to say, shadow cloak lost its apeal on the face of every other class, well almost, having a better way to invul mechanics
rose violet
i think you should ask hunters what they think of turtle
manic merlin
why tho? you think they hate it? seen plenty of hunters cheesing all the way from huntsmann to sire mythic with turtle
fallen arch
They prob fucking hate it
Because they have to give up dps to cheese mechs for the raid
rose violet
they probably hate it cause sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
bit like rogue defensives
sonic schooner
Pal just bubble and no brain massacre and ravage
My advice, don't ever shadowstep to a pal, u will be disppointed
manic merlin
My advice, don't ever shadowstep to a pal, u will be disppointed
yee.. 50 wipes on p3 mythic sire tought me that
But its not like theres any other way to survive that particular moment con p3
sonic schooner
i shadowstept once on my hpal there, never again
manic merlin
I just told a mage to double blick the hell out of al the shit that sire was throwing and told him that i'm gonna blink to him
and pray
sonic schooner
i had 2 dks and 1war, so lot of things to jump on
manic merlin
No BL on mirror group?
sonic schooner
tho, we had a feral on my raid, they have literraly nothing to survive this wombo combo besides getting a BoP
manic merlin
yea, druids in general don't have anything to survive that
but being range its a joke on that phase, shure you have to soak and move arround
sonic schooner
as boomie you have your disangage shit thing
sand mauve
Doomblade Legendary still on the Cloak?
sand mauve
Hm ok, checking other Rogues the craft it for the Gloves so i have to ask here. Thanks
manic merlin
Not many people re crafted legendaries yet if you are checking armorys
mainly because lack of ashes or they are waiting to see if blizz does something about that
kindred crescent
is it worth it to save for obdience
slim cradle
Not many people re crafted legendaries yet if you are checking armorys
Only way to survicr it is to walk over shit on the side of a cut and cloak there, since there is least massacres there
You ll most likely proc cheat though
teal bloom
ez ilevel 230 ring
south belfry
Someone selling them for 200k on my realm lol
teal bloom
I bought for 40k, probably still overpriced compared to crafting cost but I have enough gold 😄
manic merlin
Only way to survicr it is to walk over shit on the side of a cut and cloak there...
that was precisly my strategy for passing trhoug that clusterfuck of mechanics. But ended up opting for something al ittle more secure and shadowstepping to a mage that doudble blinked 😄
ancient rain
ez ilevel 230 ring
Unique equipped: Shadowlands crafted means u cant have more than 1 230 crafted boe?
teal bloom
Yes
Would be pretty op to just be able to buy full gear set that is above normal SoD ilevel
vocal karma
Still working on getting to Level 4, takes ages...
odd hazel
Still working on getting to Level 4, takes ages...
Level 4?
hot helm
will i be super behind if i miss the first 2 weeks of raiding?
toxic wasp
i saw a picture about how to farm renown fast here in the past. some1 know what i mean and can postit again pls?
a list
odd hazel
Lfr, normal, heroic, world boss, mythic plus, campaign
Callings
Anima quest
If you do it all it’ll take you a day or two
white igloo
anyone else feel energy starved when switching from necro to venthyr?
toxic wasp
senks mate
white igloo
hmm maybe i have to wait to get more renown
south belfry
Yeah no way
bright bane
You should have more enregy playing venthyr, not the other way
bright bane
how the heck do i reach that part??
fly in the base
undone eagle
its a dialy quest
brisk orchid
We’re you using SBS as a generator outside of gemstone?
white igloo
i think i just need to adjust to not having sbs
brisk orchid
If so then that may be why as you’ll be used to having cheap CP’s
undone eagle
@bright bane i have to talk to someone?
bright bane
<@!480824301918879744> i have to talk to someone?
there is a fly, a 2 headed cerber (don't know the exact name)
white igloo
i was at times
bright bane
A flying mount
white igloo
yea i think you nailed it
undone eagle
at the base where bolvar is?
bright bane
nearby y
Search for it, you'll find it
undone eagle
oh thanks
bright bane
yw
south belfry
Would a ring / neck be most value for the 230 slot?
arctic hare
I mean, they do give the most stats, but I’m actually not sure
teal bloom
jewelry gives no agility so choosing which secondary stats you want on them is good. I personally bought a ring
loud niche
So what's performing better for ST? Sin vs sub? Any new changes since PTR? Haven't played since a month ago 😕
arctic hare
I can’t wait to buy anything lol, those suckers are 230 for gods sake
thorny pond
So what's performing better for ST? Sin vs sub? Any new changes since PTR? Haven...
pins
loud niche
pins
Care to quote from the pins precisely what you're referring to then? As if I've not already looked
arctic hare
Sims dude
patent siren
!bis
odd hazel
#simyoself
arctic hare
Simply look at the two sims on each of the channels and you’ll find what you’re lookin for
odd hazel
Will wait ❤
Right now sub but all three specs are doing amazing
But check pins for more
It’s only like a 400 difference
loud niche
But check pins for more
Oh you too? Please show me precisely in the pins what exactly you're referring to here, as if I've not already looked. Your friends in the channel have already stated that swimming would be the best way to gain the info I'm looking for. Waiting for the "check pins" bois
arctic hare
Its literally the only answer you need
There are sims in the pins
You can look at the sims’ screenshots and determine it yourself from there
strange python
should I go for Zoldyck or Doomblade as my first legendery, don't have Doomblade yet because the Torghast isnt open where it is I think. And if Zoldyck, then legs, or?
arctic hare
Zoldyck for legs
thorny pond
Will wait ❤
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit?usp=sharing
strange python
@arctic hare thank you
arctic hare
Doomblade for st, unless you want to minmax in venthyr, then it will be obedience
Doomblade will be put on the back, same as obedience
strange python
great, thanks!
arctic hare
Not a problem
loud niche
Its literally the only answer you need
Let me ask you this: are Sims ever wrong?
thorny pond
Sure but we are a data driven community. If you'd like the nuance and intricacy of the sims detailed for you and why you'd want to play one spec vs another we can have that discussion
But every day we get 100s of people who want info spponfed "what's best?"
loud niche
If neither of you happen to know whether or not the Sims are outputting proper performance, and yet are using them to optimize yourself, what's the point? You're just playing flawed for no reason like most rogues in sin were doing in 9.0.0...
royal cliff
If you don't believe the efficacy of the sims why are you asking for answers to questions that can only be derived from said sims?
arctic hare
Exactly
thorny pond
Dude take your 12th grade level philosophy somewhere else. It's a tool and a very accurate one
drifting cloud
Tulnar were you dropped on your head recently
loud niche
If you don't believe the efficacy of the sims why are you asking for answers to ...
It's not that I don't believe in them at all, it's that often at the start of a patch the information is simply not all there, and the Sims oft performing with errors.
arctic hare
There is always a human element in sims, sure, they might be messed up, but whispyr takes measures to at least try to make sure they’re as accurate as possible
royal cliff
With your approach to this the answer to your original question is likely "play what your want, you'll down normal Tarragrue in no time"
willow eagle
So what's performing better for ST? Sin vs sub? Any new changes since PTR? Haven...
That will be answered once we actually see them performing in raid. Currently sub seems to be ahead on st in sims
arctic hare
Correct
loud niche
With your approach to this the answer to your original question is likely "play ...
I'm CE, are you? I'm a top performing rogue, I competed with other top performing rogues in this channel last 2 patches, have you?
dawn ivy
interesting takes in this channel
thorny pond
Many of us have but why would a top rogue either come here trolling or be too stupid to draw their own conclusions from a tool WF raiders utilize daily
dawn ivy
^
royal cliff
It seems odd that you saw success in raids and 1. Don't believe the sims are answering your question and 2. Can't navigate the pins
I guess it's good to have strong friends
loud niche
It seems odd that you saw success in raids and 1. Don't believe the sims are ans...
The Sims literally said I couldn't get the dps I was outputting, and many of us were outputting, at the start of 9.0.0, and 9.0.5, and yet you want me to blindly believe in it? I came in here hoping to find out how well they're performing, and if they're just outright wrong again
loud niche
I guess it's good to have strong friends
Go back to your AOTC purchasing, scrublord
thorny pond
No. Sin was busted at 9.0 and everyone saw it
Not sure where you were
and at 9.0.5 the hype was met and matched in sims
royal cliff
You just want negative attention kiddo.
dawn ivy
ive seen you in this discord previously and youve had a good head on your shoulders, well informed to a certain degree, i dont think this is the hill you wanna die on bud.
im having to hold back flame because youre actin out of pocket youre not usually comin out with this hot of a take lol
royal cliff
You can be skeptical of sims but why come in here asking questions about how everything's doing? You're going to get answers based on sims...
loud niche
stop
Uh oh, so because I'm willing to play a specific way to assist the raid as a whole which doesn't net me the fatty parse, I'm bad. Here we go, another idiot who has no grasp of how to read logs
drifting cloud
thorny pond
bye Felicia
royal cliff
And even if one random dude was like "sims say sub for st but they're wrong it's outlaw" you wouldn't be as skeptical? Lol
dawn ivy
the WORST mechanics and WORST rng are going to maybe net you a 70-80 on some fights
drifting cloud
I guess dieing in p3 is you assisting the raid
dawn ivy
bud just take a walk please idk why youre bein wierd dont finish typing
loud niche
buddy no mechanic is going to force grey logs
I'm not talking about mechanics? I'm talking about my raidleader outright telling me to not FOK the adds, and to stop dps on sire after the first blood price?
dawn ivy
that will not result in a grey parse
arctic hare
Isn’t, that bad?
loud niche
bud just take a walk please idk why youre bein wierd dont finish typing
Go back to being banned lol
dawn ivy
nah this is my longest time running
loud niche
I guess dieing in p3 is you assisting the raid
Dieing. Yes.
dawn ivy
no S H O T your raid leader told you to die
loud niche
no S H O T your raid leader told you to die
Nah, certainly not
arctic hare
Yeah, how does that help the entirety of the raid to lose a dps?
royal cliff
Listen guys just because sims say being alive does more dps doesn't mean they're right
loud niche
no S H O T your raid leader told you to die
No S H O T you can tell me dieing is what I did ❤
royal cliff
Stop being sheep
drifting cloud
I hope youre just memeing it up for the fun of it
shell ivy
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
drifting cloud
because other alternatives are just sad
shell ivy
is vers still our second best secondary stat for 9.1?
thorny pond
is vers still our second best secondary stat for 9.1?
top gear sim, most of us were heavy crit/haste so vers climbed
loud niche
Where yalls parses at tho?
silent fossil
Where yalls parses at tho?
loud niche
You wanna talk about my sire specific, what about my shriek, since I know yall can't get past that baddie in mythic LUL
drifting cloud
ah ok good youre just dumb but you also overselling it
arctic hare
If you can kill sire you can kill shriek in mythic
arctic hare
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/lunaqt#partition=2
Heh, nice 98 parse on sire
loud niche
ah ok good youre just dumb but you also overselling it
No logs? Y I K E S
royal cliff
Dude your parents need to take away your computer time
drowsy coral
Man, this is a really cringe fiesta in here
burnt star
open wcl type ryler
ya ryler is badééé
dawn ivy
like ive seen this person and he hasnt been like this before
drifting cloud
he has
burnt star
drifting cloud
hes the resident clown
dawn ivy
damn i guess im thinking of someone else then
arctic hare
Most likely
drifting cloud
maybe you caught him on a good day
drowsy coral
He's a top rogue competing with top rogue though Kappa
dawn ivy
wait no i am thinking of the same person because i know him from his guild app