When does korthia introduction quest ends? I want to change covenant but I don't want to lose progression there
#assassination
wild birch
viscid spear
When does korthia introduction quest ends? I want to change covenant but I don't...
Well when you skip it it puts you at the part where you attuned the second stone to Oribos and you have the portal on the secons floor.
wild birch
I have that
viscid spear
Not sure how changing Covs affects past that
wild birch
I heard somewhere that you have to be renown 40 to start Korthia, so i did it, but I don't know when I can "safely" change covenant
quiet oar
No you dont have to be 40. I was 33 and did it today
whole bluff
To start Korthia you just need to finish your cov campaign
quiet oar
You have to complete one campaign, not that of your current Cov
covert belfry
how come the tooltip for slice and dice on wowhead says it also increases energy regen by 15% but in-game it doesn't?
quiet oar
Thats for Outlaw i guess
wild birch
All I have in Korthia is the weekly % quest and collect 50 things, don't remember the name
kind talon
how come the tooltip for slice and dice on wowhead says it also increases energy...
think thats the wod version
lol
oak sky
In 9.0 snd gave sin rogue 15% energy regen
9.0.5 we got cut to the chase, got more energy regen baseline, and lost the 15% from snd
Or maybe it was 10% idk
inland heath
soo mainly mythic+ player , should i got venthyr or necro
faint spoke
play what you like the most
kind talon
not necro 100%
inland heath
kind talon
looks like venthyr will pass necro with obedience and further conduits
it is in the pins my guy
wintry terrace
I'm expecting an obedience nerf tbh
deft obsidian
Triple potency ventyr /w obedience
kind talon
they are both strong and viable choices at the moment though
deft obsidian
But yeh, who knows with the leggo. We wait 👌
marsh cedar
for raid isnt necro better because of boss fight tactics 2 target 3 target or u think still venthyr is op ?
wild birch
Oh I didn't see the new new sims, sry
Last time I remember them, the 10.8k necro was at the top
kind talon
all g
odd hazel
I'm expecting an obedience nerf tbh
why?
kind talon
in its current potential state venthyr is by far the dominant st and cleave spec
forest delta
huh
wintry terrace
why?
because it is so far ahead of every other legendary, clearly an outlier. Will it get nerfed? who knows, up to blizz. Just my opinion.
odd hazel
because it is so far ahead of every other legendary, clearly an outlier. Will it...
its not that far ahead though, its not some OP legendary that needs a nerf.
compared to other leggos other classes have its very meh
kind talon
because it is so far ahead of every other legendary, clearly an outlier. Will it...
its like
4%?
ahead?
forest delta
Dang, rhose stats are noice!
nah not really :)))
odd hazel
now please
arctic hare
nah not really :)))
I love me some crit and haste, especccccially the haste
forest delta
already good bloodoath signet 226
arctic hare
Oooooh, even better lol
kind talon
arctic hare
Still pretty nice to get if you had needed it
wintry terrace
I don't really care about other specs haha, if blizzard balanced based on what needed to be addressed priority wise across all specs that would be great. But it's up to blizz at the end of the day.
That arcane one is insane
but thats mage's problem
forest delta
whats that
arctic hare
24% iirc
wintry terrace
and up to blizzard to balance
arctic hare
I wonder what balance druid’s was
arctic hare
Like, how far balance of all things was ahead of everything else
kind talon
off top of my head
wintry terrace
For rogues, obedience is the clear winner in ST and AoE. I am venthyr right now, but i am anticipating a nerf to it.
arctic hare
Wait, really?
kind talon
sec
gleaming fable
Have you seen subs legendarys? Blizzard doesn't care about balance 
arctic hare
Subs legendary?
arctic hare
lol
harsh anchor
What, is this day 17 of talking about obedience needing a nerf?
gleaming fable
We have the rotten
arctic hare
Sounds about right stska
kind talon
wintry terrace
balance used to be way further ahead
arctic hare
They deffffffinitely nerfed it
kind talon
wintry terrace
it was nerfed for 9.1
graceful mirage
yeah balance was stupid back in 9.0
it was the reason boomkins were so prevalent, aside from them having druid utility
arctic hare
Still interesting that arcane infinity is sooooooo ridiculously far ahead, and here I thought the temporal warp would be the go to
odd hazel
Either way----
gleaming fable
balance has their venthyr meme leggo now
odd hazel
lets not act like obedience is needed a nerf at all
arctic hare
So thats why I heard that so many balance druids were switching straight to venthyr
shadow pivot
lets not act like obedience nerf would make rogues bad at all either
wintry terrace
I dont want it nerfed, i am venthyr rogue right now.
graceful mirage
kekw whats the balance venthyr leggo?
shadow pivot
idk why you're all so scared about it, even if we play doomblade rogue's fine unlike 9.0, let's rejoice
odd hazel
lets not act like obedience nerf would make rogues bad at all either
did i say it would?
wintry terrace
yeah 100%
odd hazel
people just keep jumping to it being nerfed because it made venth super strong
but no where near required to play
arctic hare
True
prisma lynx
Hi, i want to play Outlaw for m+ and assassination for Raid. im a necrolord. is ok to stay like that? wat lego should i use for assassination necrolrd for raid
shadow pivot
playing one or the other literally change 1 input per minute on your rotation, doesn't do much anyway
kind talon
Hi, i want to play Outlaw for m+ and assassination for Raid. im a necrolord. is ...
ye should be ok
obtuse robin
ur also losing by not being sub
arctic hare
Necrolord still doin fine, especially if you’re doing outlaw too lol
somber kettle
Is necro best for m+?
lost wharf
If I swap to Venthyr now the fcking lego will be nerfed and I'll feel like a fool.
arctic hare
Is necro best for m+?
Afaik obedience venthyr is
obtuse robin
helps that soul ash is so abundant now
arctic hare
Check de pins
ebon patio
Tbh all of this remains to be seen
kind talon
the way that fights work out matters so much lol
obtuse robin
yea for sure everything i say is just based on curent knowledge right
kind talon
the fact that sub has nonexistent cleave
gleaming fable
If I swap to Venthyr now the fcking lego will be nerfed and I'll feel like a foo...
there is no good reason to think its likely to be nerfed, don't worry about it
obtuse robin
cuurent sims rather
spice spire
Tbh all of this remains to be seen
Hey this is right
kind talon
and pure st sims
obtuse robin
does sub really not have cleave . it has aoe finshers and rupture
gleaming fable
subs cleave is really bad compared to outlaw/ass
lost wharf
It has aoe, but it doesn't have good target cleave.
kind talon
sub cleave gains like
arctic hare
I don’t think rupture counts as cleave lol
arctic hare
Or does it
lost wharf
Or does it
Anything that gains you more dps counts as cleave, I'd argue?
kind talon
its their only tool in cleave
oak sky
Sub can do 3-5 target somewhat ok
kind talon
is how i would word it
arctic hare
Lol, indeed it issss
oak sky
But straight 2 target
kind talon
Sub can do 3-5 target somewhat ok
4+
oak sky
Ass
obtuse robin
if something happens to obi which i doubt then u stay necro and sub really looks better then sin
arctic hare
That bad?
obtuse robin
actually no necro is shit for sub nvm
arctic hare
Oh lol
deft obsidian
Is 8 targets just straight up powder bombing? Or do you try rupture 😂
oak sky
🥶 🥶
lost wharf
if something happens to obi which i doubt then u stay necro and sub really looks...
Actually, according to the pins Doomblade Assa > Akaari sub.
kind talon
yes
oak sky
Without obi sub still goes venthyr and sin could go venthyr
kind talon
Actually, according to the pins Doomblade Assa > Akaari sub.
thats for other covenants
obtuse robin
yea i corrected myself
kind talon
btw
oak sky
Yeah at this point
arctic hare
I guess haste reaaaaaaly helps sub huh
obtuse robin
if obi was nuked
kind talon
u would go venthyr i think?
oak sky
Wdym frostfire
pure osprey
prob the vers
kind talon
its the vers from obedience
arctic hare
In the event that it sucked i mean
oak sky
Without obedience flag is mostly good on sub for more burst still mostly
arctic hare
You had said they would still go venth
kind talon
if obedience gets nerfed?
oak sky
And getting full stacks
kind talon
yeah
because
they wouldnt remove the verse
it would still be better than akaari or finality
arctic hare
Oh, good point
obtuse robin
so if obi got nerfed it hits sin more then sub i take?
kind talon
deathspike treatment
lost wharf
If I swap covenant now, do I get a free swap back? Or do I only get free swaps to other covenants now?
arctic hare
so if obi got nerfed it hits sin more then sub i take?
Seems like it
kind talon
so if obi got nerfed it hits sin more then sub i take?
nah it hits them both indcredibly hard
arctic hare
Oh
kind talon
problem is
arctic hare
Doomblade still good lol
arctic hare
Says in the pins in sub channel says that venth is equal to kyrian
kind talon
probably go kyrian
arctic hare
Oh
obtuse robin
?
kind talon
like it depends on how bad obedience gets
obtuse robin
yes
kind talon
and whether the kyrian ability works
LOL
its still bugged man
doesnt do anything
afaik
arctic hare
Is it?
lost wharf
Also weird: The sims in the pin here suggests, that sub ist 10.9k single target, but 10.6k 2 target.
obtuse robin
and if bron gets 10 more changes by mythic
arctic hare
Bron????
arctic hare
Oh
obtuse robin
it was buffed to strong and got nerfed
arctic hare
I, haven’t messed with kyrian really
kind talon
Also weird: The sims in the pin here suggests, that sub ist 10.9k single target,...
where?
kind talon
where is 2target?
lost wharf
On the left side of the pictures
ebon patio
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prisma monolithBOT
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prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
Also weird: The sims in the pin here suggests, that sub ist 10.9k single target,...
the cleave numbers haven't been updated in a while
lost wharf
Ah, that explains it then
arctic hare
They should add mage tower back
hollow river
They should add mage tower back
I would literally cream
arctic hare
I desssssperately want the sin daggers
hollow river
Yea
timid talon
they should add any challenging/rewarding content that isn't tied to m+ or raiding back in
lone wren
I want the frost dk mage tower swords :(
arctic hare
they should add any challenging/rewarding content that isn't tied to m+ or raidi...
Agreed
hollow yoke
Is there an opener macro involving shadowstep ?
arctic hare
Theres sooooo many different looks I still want
hollow river
No
lone wren
Is there an opener macro involving shadowstep ?
Yes the one you Shadowstep on pull and get there before your tank and instantly die
arctic hare
I mean, its all legacy content, it makes no sense to NOT add it back
obtuse robin
they dont want it to outshine torgahst
lone wren
I agree. I kind of understand wanting to reward players who did it at the time but come on. The elite PvP sets from previous expansions should be released too
obtuse robin
cuz when blizz wants to push a system thats it
arctic hare
And plus, it probably wouldn’t outshine it, all the old legacy content is already played it
kind talon
they dont want it to outshine torgahst
choreghast
id rather have
old horrific visions back
on god
wintry terrace
they could add it in as scaled content, but scaled content usually ends up being much easier than when it was current lol. Mage tower would be so nice though
arctic hare
That’d be interesting lol
hollow river
No mog should be unobtainable, only titles
lone wren
But this goes to show how little effort is put in making gear that ppl still want gear from legion
arctic hare
I don’t even care if it is scaled content,
arctic hare
But this goes to show how little effort is put in making gear that ppl still wan...
Thats actually true
It used to be amazing, now its just gone downhill
lone wren
I get so mad we see all these cool gear on NPCs that could easily be rigged for the players but they give us all generic dumb looking things
And I know why that is ....
arctic hare
Heh, least pallies got ashbringer and we got gorona’s kingslayers
lone wren
Blizzard outsources a lot of modeling to Chinese companies
They take the work but outsource it to other studios
lone wren
They also outsource it to others
I got a contract to work on Diablo, the company that hired me was a small studio on San Francisco, they were taking the work from a Chinese company who had taken the work from netease games who had taken the work from Blizzard
So all the documents and concept art was translated from English to Chinese .....then from Chinese to English
It was a cluster fuck
But that's the industry
It's worse in VFX and film
So much information was lost as work was passed from one company to another, so that's why things have to be super simplified.
arctic hare
Also, it wouldn’t even devalue the people who got it before, it feels far more rewarding to get it while its current than to get it now
hollow river
Is dungeon gear always as bad as it is this tier?
arctic hare
We just wanna look cool blizz
hollow river
Cuz it’s pretty bad
lone wren
And if you notice gear has become bulkier in design. That's a symptom of that kind of outsourcing. It leaves a larger margin of error for fitting the armor sets to different races since outsource artists don't have access to a lot of the base tools
arctic hare
I have another idea, why not let people turn in art designs of armor,
kind talon
oh
hollow river
The mog
hollow river
Quality
arctic hare
Like, let the community decide what they want for looks
arctic hare
It could possible lessen the strain on them, annnnnd it might look cooler lol
lone wren
I have another idea, why not let people turn in art designs of armor,
It all goes back to cost and Blizzard not wanting to keep a large number of artists as full time employees. If you look they like to hire a lot of outsource managers instead of artists
hollow river
Everyone says to run mythics. Why do I want 187 gear????
hollow river
What is that
arctic hare
It all goes back to cost and Blizzard not wanting to keep a large number of arti...
Don’t pay them, you dont get payed to let the community decide what they want, and they wouldnt need to do it every tier lol, just every once in a while hold a competition for the best art
arctic hare
Digital extremes, the company who runs warframe does it
kind talon
dont troll me bro
lone wren
Don’t pay them, you dont get payed to let the community decide what they want, a...
Problem is not the design, it's the modeling. To give you an idea a AAA quality head for a game gets 15-20 days
arctic hare
and it actually ends up extremely good
kind talon
sarcasm offends me
arctic hare
Wait, seriously?
lone wren
That's not counting any expressions.
arctic hare
Good god
arctic hare
Heh, sorry
kind talon
before we get modded
lone wren
A full armor set for wow from highpoly to lowpoly would be anywhere between 30-40 days of work
kind talon
🙂
lone wren
That's not counting fitting and rigging for all the different races
arctic hare
Sounds like torture, so whats the next sin meme to talk about today
hollow river
What is m+ and pogers
arctic hare
M+, mythic keys
hollow river
kind talon
hollow river
Kek
thorny pond
before we get modded
Hands up this is the police 👮♀️
lone wren
Sounds like torture, so whats the next sin meme to talk about today
Are we nerfed yet? Should be the meme every day
kind talon
daggers seem like they are
arctic hare
Are we nerfed yet? Should be the meme every day
Not yet as far as I’ve seen
thorny pond
Who wants to be the rational sin rogue today? I was M thru Th
thorny pond
will probably increase sub dps more than ours
Nada
arctic hare
I can try to be today!
hollow river
Mentally ill rogues as usual
kind talon
hello?
arctic hare
😂
thorny pond
Sin Sub were seeing similar values
If you press BP it wasn’t applying to all
Same with CT
thorny pond
Gonna be about the same
kind talon
was what i was looking at
arctic hare
I wonder what the overall best anima power for sin is
arctic hare
I’m thinking its veinripper, isn’t that the one that increases finisher dmg by 400% after shadowstepping
thorny pond
I didn’t get much testing but we get value from vendetta
I thinks symbols did too but unsure
thorny pond
I have to check the flags again
thorny pond
I mean there is no where to even test the new version so ping me next Wednesday when someone hopefully has it with some logs I can check
That bitch better give me some daggers for all the money she got from me
wintry terrace
is obedience on week 3 or 4?
viscid spear
I’m thinking its veinripper, isn’t that the one that increases finisher dmg by 4...
I know it's not the best but my personal favorite is Distracting Charges.
hollow river
How did she get money from you
kind talon
I mean there is no where to even test the new version so ping me next Wednesday ...
okbro
im sitting in ffront of draven rn
do i sawp?
thorny pond
I’ve been ironically staying subbed so I can watch her fall like Garrosh
kind talon
venthyr gming?
thorny pond
Probably for the best
You either do it and it gets trashed and then you’re just part of the gang swapping back
Or you are the squidward watching spongebob and Patrick having fun meme
If you don’t
wintry terrace
thats a fair analogy lol
thorny pond
Like at this point if you want to go with the stream it’s going to be one of those two scenarios
thorny pond
Either it’s great and you’re not venth feeling bad
pure osprey
lol
thorny pond
Or you’re venth we get nerfed and then you’re running back again
Go kill world boss and get to 38
Do an LFR wing
Get to 40
wintry terrace
if you haven't finished main quest line also, each thing gives a ton of renown now
woeful meteor
Whats the best use of bonespike in single target, just use the charges whenever you have one or hold them and throw when your about to cap?
kind talon
dude
woeful meteor
Ok thx
thorny pond
Because you switched?
thorny pond
That’s fair
kind talon
thanks for coming to my TED talk
thorny pond
I’ll let the green bois know to adjust the sims and pins
lone minnow
I might have missed it, how much different is venthyr simming
thorny pond
Check the pins Reazu
lone minnow
compared to necro
lone minnow
ye thats what I thought
lusty bane
Has anyone gotten weapons from Korthia Armaments?
azure bronze
Has anyone gotten weapons from Korthia Armaments?
yeah got a 2handed axe on an alt paladin
wintry terrace
i got a dagger from one
frosty cedar
Has anyone gotten weapons from Korthia Armaments?
current daily (at least on EU) is weapon
lusty bane
Damn been sending them all to my spriest alt maybe I should open for daggers
Thanks all
lone minnow
is necro gonna be better on 2 plus targets?
hollow river
Atm I would say that’s debatable
Currently it is, after you can get Obedience it may not be. But nothing is 100% certainty yet.
pure osprey
doesntmuch matter
somber kettle
can't even decide myself really..
lone minnow
you gonna go sin or sub @kind talon
hollow river
I’m starting my swap quest tonight
kind talon
you gonna go sin or sub <@!170031192400199681>
outlaw >:)
hollow river
Did they add the free cov swap yet???
kind talon
but uh
ill go all 3 specs @lone minnow
just need to learn sub a bit better next week
think im gonna play sub for first week of mythic+ but we'll see
lone minnow
ive never been venth so if i swap am i 1 renown?
oak sky
Ur not the only one
lone minnow
i am arent i
hollow river
I feel like sub cheap shot is better than outlaw gouge
kind talon
should be extremely easy
hollow river
You’re in “stealth” all the time..
lone minnow
get bent?
hollow river
?
oak sky
Clown im gonna hop into normal raid groups and blast with sub 
kind talon
lone minnow
toxic D;
kind talon
sry
kind talon
You’re in “stealth” all the time..
u lose a lot more
cheap shotting in dance
than u do by
hollow river
Sure but
kind talon
gouging
hollow river
Utility bby
lone minnow
isnt venth shit for outlaw tho
kind talon
not rly
frosty cedar
whats the deal with the simcraft website sims?
hollow river
Outlaw likes vers
kind talon
be back in abit
balmy condor
whats the deal with the simcraft website sims?
wdym
thorny pond
Toxic Waste Beach, t@gusty mirage and now the @kind talon from "IT" the 3 assholes of Sin channel
frosty cedar
I mean I think they started doing 252 sims on the website now and im wondering where they got em from - the fury one is diff from the one on the fury discord is all
limber lion
Swag
balmy condor
I mean I think they started doing 252 sims on the website now and im wondering w...
theorycrafters submit profiles that are then baked into base simulationcraft
the website sims those profiles
frosty cedar
ah I see
thorny pond
Fury discord is well known to give a different sim to simulationcraft
kind talon
Yep
frosty cedar
so they get them submitted
kind talon
Fury discord 🙂
frosty cedar
and then they just post them up there
thorny pond
kinda
torn cove
Hello, is assassin rogue the best spec for raiding in 9.1?
kind talon
Hello, maybe we don’t know
lone minnow
dude I'm giving this covenant shit more thought than my irl decisions
thorny pond
Hello, is assassin rogue the best spec for raiding in 9.1?
Yep. Let's go with that
kind talon
Just switch @lone minnow
lone minnow
literally moved country without thinking twice
lusty bane
I want to do Sin and Sub. All my gear is literally 0 vers. Hate the idea of building two sets again.
kind talon
Don’t look back until later
rapid forum
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
now im here contemplating this covenant choice
You get a freebie.
Just swap before the freebie and if it gets nerfed swap back for free (doubt it does)
spice spire
sub is for plebs
We don’t hate on our fellow rogue they’re getting love for once. 
frosty cedar
its ok I love plebs
worthy heart
When do i get a free swap? :0 i swapped this week for reasons and i now think i have to go back
worthy heart
Was venthyr got to necro for the 40th time, then i wanna go venthyr again
I mean, now i wanna go back
But if next week shit gets nerfed i'm in trouble:))
white igloo
Right. No sense in swapping until everything is out
Just chill and play what you like for now
sonic spire
i really think the solution to this is to have two mythic geared rogues and put one in each cov
lone minnow
might actually do that
sonic spire
https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Arisia https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Moriti?utm_source=addon
like im actually stress free
10/10 would recommend
play whats good
echo geyser
sonic spire
and you dont get stuck having to alt a class that isnt rogue
shy dust
lone minnow
this man has the answers
sonic spire
it was the "you need to be in alt raid" "i dont want to play anything but rogue" solution
one trick for life
lone minnow
Might actually go for that man
echo geyser
Now u got 2x chance for dagger 
lone minnow
thats kinda Pog
echo geyser
Delete the one that doesnt get it
sonic spire
ill get one on each and cry
echo geyser
sonic spire
jk who am i kidding i still have no 233 weapons
lone minnow
which one u gonna raid on first? @sonic spire
lone wren
roll 10 rogues, whichever one that gets the sylv daggers first play that as your main. how to combat wow rng
sonic spire
ill see the sylv dagger in 9.2
lone wren
thats what hardcore legion players did cause of the dumbass legendary system
they all had 4-5 of their class, and whichever one got the bis legendary they played that as main lol
sonic spire
which one u gonna raid on first? <@!841459623655112725>
gonna full clear H on both then see what has better gear and how venth/necro is looking - they both have 40 on both covs so eventyually the better gear RNG gets played
sonic spire
free swap is the best thing bliz has come up with - that and the mushrooms in korthea dont despawn anymore :3
hollow river
free swap is the best thing bliz has come up with - that and the mushrooms in ko...
can i just go to NPC and free swap right now?
lone wren
so i named my rogue shadowblade cause of the badass dark elf assassin in warhammer fantasy ..i totally forgot that you get a shadowblade title from legion .......so now im shadowblade shadowblade ... 😦
pure moth
Can u do the free swap yet? Thought it wasn't available yet
lone wren
need to pick a new name for my rogue
sonic spire
so i named my rogue shadowblade cause of the badass dark elf assassin in warhamm...
why are you :c this is the best thing ive ever heard
hollow river
need to pick a new name for my rogue
dude don't that is bad ass
white igloo
What’s up with this “free swap”
balmy condor
they're gonna let you swap back to a covenant you've already been instantly
its coming with a hotfix eventually
lone minnow
aight
hollow river
1 time thing
limber lion
need to pick a new name for my rogue
Or just... Change your title?
prisma lynx
imagine...having to farm all the renow on venthyr.
lone wren
Or just... Change your title?
no one would ever change such title!
prisma lynx
nah...staying necro.
white igloo
imagine...having to farm all the renow on venthyr.
I feel you
shut garnet
imagine doing 1k less st on mythic week 
lone minnow
@kind talon I did it, proud?
dusty sable
what is the overall best assas lego for only raiding
prisma lynx
imagine doing 1k less st on mythic week <:kappa:726794197734260758>
The problem is dat i dont want to raid whit my roge. i really love to run m+ only. but i feel like i have to raid bcz of gear
nova flax
what is the overall best assas lego for only raiding
Tiny toxic blade and anyone who tells you different is trolling dont listen to them
prisma lynx
and for both? m+ and raid
dusty sable
@nova flax funny guy 😄
prisma lynx
not swaping to venthyr for assassin but i have to farm thorgasth to craft his lego.
kind talon
would be a shame if nadjia obedience was also top dmg in m+ too for all 3 specs
It’s not top damage in st
For any spec
Lol
kind talon
<@!170031192400199681> I did it, proud?
Extremely
shut garnet
It’s not top damage in st
huh?
balmy condor
fatal flaws was implemented wrong in sims
shut leaf
Do we know what trinkets are bis?
white igloo
not swaping to venthyr for assassin but i have to farm thorgasth to craft his le...
Which one?
balmy condor
Do we know what trinkets are bis?
phial + shadowgrasp is a strong combo from the looks of it
shut leaf
Ah okey 🙂
shut garnet
shadowgrasp actually not a meme? 
teal bloom
Are any of the raid trinkets promising?
prisma lynx
Which one?
Doomblade
kind talon
shadowgrasp actually not a meme? <:MonkaHmm:678084196467605524>
Never was 🔫
kind talon
Yep
prisma lynx
haven play assa in a while...i see me trolling on heroic raid
arctic hare
Crap, I just lost the game
wide ridge
should we put vers/haste or crit/haste on leggo cloak?
arctic hare
Prolly sim yourself, but afaik its crit haste, look through the guides as well
Simming yourself shall be more important however
white igloo
I’ll probably go crit haste
oak sky
arctic hare
lol
wide ridge
ofc not i got the white background
rapid forum
5 cp with deeper and blindside proc, finisher first or ambush?
oak sky
Finisher
wide ridge
Unless u want to play sub
i heard sub's good now on ST
oak sky
Thats true
kind talon
Yep
indigo thicket
dont have a leggo on my rogue, which one should i craft now before raid opens
white igloo
until it isnt again
oak sky
What spec and cov funkeoto
indigo thicket
assassin/venthyr
oak sky
And do you plan on doing anything besides raid
limber lion
Obedience 
indigo thicket
yeah but raid is prio
i dont wanna hold out for obedience i literally have nothing atm
limber lion
MA for versatility 
kind talon
Rank 1?
oak sky
Or not
limber lion
r1 MA is fine
kind talon
Rank 4?
oak sky
If u have tons of soul ash then craft r4
limber lion
Get a R5 Obedience the week after
oak sky
Yeah but who wants to do extra torgy for no reason
limber lion
You don't really need a r4
kind talon
U don’t need r4
limber lion
A lot of effort for nothing basically
kind talon
U don’t need r5
kind talon
Ah
oak sky
I mean if ur using it for literally 1 week before obedience
kind talon
Rank 1 is fine Ye
For MA
But like
Doomblades and zoldyck should be hire in my opinion
But there’s a lot of time
wide ridge
we get obedience at renown 48 is that right?
kind talon
Yes
wide ridge
and thats 3 weeks from now?
kind talon
No
wide ridge
2 renown per week?
kind talon
2
wide ridge
ah
rapid forum
with master assassin infight, do i break stealth with mutilate or with env as a finisher?
kind talon
highly weird
Out the Wazoo
kind talon
with master assassin infight, do i break stealth with mutilate or with env as a ...
Env mut mut env I think
For the legendary not the talent
rapid forum
sorry, talking about talent
kind talon
Oh
It doesn’t matter
As long as you get 2 mutilates and an envenom in the window
This is for vanish tho
Your opener is always mutilate cause you have 0cp and your first finisher is snd
rapid forum
ty
sonic schooner
opener
steep obsidian
^
spice spire
Very wicked in here rn
steep obsidian
yah im sure it miniscule
kind talon
Wicked
spice spire
Big fan
kind talon
Wick d
teal bloom
The most ethical opener is shiv with nightstalker and tiny toxic blade
kind talon
?
At that point just don’t open
Sit in stealth
Same impact and just as ethical
Hell, according to PETA not harming the animals is the most ethical
teal bloom
It's the hardest you can slam shiv
viscid spear
Wormhole Generator takes you right to Keeper's Respite!
Like 10yds from Bolvar, jeez
viscid spear
Engineering portal
kind talon
Oh sweet
viscid spear
Before you had 5 options: 1 for each of the 4 Cov zones, and Oribos
9.1 retroactively added a Korthia portal
Wait sorry, it had a Maw option too
kind talon
Sick
viscid spear
So pre-9.1 it was Reven, Arden, Bastion, Mald, Maw, Oribos
9.1 added Korthia
But unlike the other 6 which threw you in some far-off spot, Korthia's takes you right to the hub, insane
viscid spear
Been one for 13 years, feels good
lone minnow
alrdy renown 6 pog
strange python
is there a reason we use mutilate instead of ambush for opener
kind talon
Yes
strange python
ty
lone minnow
xD
teal bloom
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
kind talon
LOL
arctic hare
lol
wide ridge
thorny pond
Irony Machine is now my favorite
kind talon
Iron machine
thorny pond
Just does as told. Doesn't ask why
kind talon
On brand as fuck
chrome widget
So if covenant campaign gives 2 renown per.. The strategy for renown farm now is what.. Farm to roughly 24 then do campaign?
strange python
i just want to do more damage idrc why im doing more dmg
dawn viper
!legendary
balmy condor
So if covenant campaign gives 2 renown per.. The strategy for renown farm now is...
Idk when it stops giving 2 tbh
balmy condor
!legendary
Pins
kind talon
i just want to do more damage idrc why im doing more dmg
Ur goated
kind talon
Should give 2
balmy condor
I would honestly just go till like 30-32
kind talon
To 40
balmy condor
And then you know for sure
kind talon
But yeah
chrome widget
That's what I did previously
steep obsidian
i never figured out the renown farming I really don't think its grindy enough to have to min max it tbh
do content get renown
strange python
for future reference is there someone who reviews logs here
arctic hare
Prooooobably
balmy condor
Me and @limber lion do a lot
balmy condor
Yeah there’s a ton of knowledgeable rogues in here
Sure there’s at least someone who will look at it
arctic hare
I love getting better at the game
balmy condor
You found the right place 
kind talon
True
arctic hare
Specifically at rogue cause I still feel inexperienced, and the fact that this place is very entertaining
lone minnow
can I get 42 renown on venth if i got it on necro this week
strange python
yes
lone minnow
rly ;o
brisk dew
Is there a specific piece we want to upgrade from korthia? Kind of like how benthic gear was
reef axle
Your anima quest resets yeh, and you can just do a random heroic for a chance at a renown
gusty mirage
umbral rapids
I would honestly just go till like 30-32
it gives 2 per quest. doesn't matter. 16 renown instead of 8 from the campaign
balmy condor
it gives 2 per quest. doesn't matter. 16 renown instead of 8 from the campaign
Oh thats fantastic
I thought it would still slow down
balmy condor
I’ve only had to regrind once and it was months ago so the whole catch-up thing isn’t my area 
umbral rapids
I did 3 covenants so far on my rogue 
cedar star
So is the Fine Razorwing Quill not great even though its an additional bleed
kind talon
now im venthyr again just swappd bacc
cedar star
sims say no
cedar star
oh, rip
tribal marlin
So is the Fine Razorwing Quill not great even though its an additional bleed
I tested it on PTR at ilvl 226 and it was garbage compare to other trinket (also scaled at 226)
So I can already tell you : it sucks.
cedar star
its a shame, the int one is bonkers
neon terrace
Hello, I am New to rogue and looking for any useful macros. Currently playing necro Lord would it be worth putting spike into a cast sequence macro?
neon terrace
Hmm I was thinking just putting it behind something to save a keybind .
plain thistle
dont use castsequence macro ever
kind talon
^^^
oak sky
Best sin macros are mouseovers if you like them and vendetta/flag with on use trinkets and racials
Personally my only mouseover is kick though
graceful halo
is there an ideal usage of bonespike for single target? ranged filler? or more often?
spice spire
is there an ideal usage of bonespike for single target? ranged filler? or more ...
Opener > during gemstone windows > don’t overcap (meaning use before you regen one!)
Gemstones is heirmir’s final trait available at 31, creates a thicc burst window for low cp use every minute
graceful halo
wonderful thanks
kind talon
Best sin macros are mouseovers if you like them and vendetta/flag with on use tr...
racials
oak sky
What
I dont play orc or troll so i dont use them
But other people might need the info 
Unless im big wrong
oak sky
I play belf
oak sky
Yeah thats what i thought
kind talon
trinkets really depends
🙂
generally i would
not macro them
but u can if u want i guess?
if its like
2 min cd trinket that u will never cast outside of vendetta
very rare
oak sky
Isnt it always helpful for pull tho
oak sky
Im not advocating for not binding trinkets
I just think you might as well macro it if its on use right?
kind talon
if its on use with a 2 min cd
but like
u dont macro "on use trinkets"
skulkers wing
dfv
etc
kind talon
dfv as well
indigo mulch
I mean you could tbh lol, you do use them on CD.
kind talon
dont macro that
thorny pond
Why do you 2 have the same avatar?
indigo mulch
I wouldnt, but you could.
oak sky
Coinkydink
kind talon
its not the same dad
tribal marlin
Bound my Sire trinket to Mutilate
kind talon
mine has a helmet on
tribal marlin
problem ?
oak sky
His has better protection in the event of an accident
thorny pond
Yea you’re my special boy so you have a helmet to save yourself from all the people falling for you
kind talon
my skulkers is bound to mut
thorny pond
That’s uh… brave
oak sky
Because you wear a helmet
kind talon
yep
not for plaguefall final boss tho
then i am helmet off mode
my sbs macro dont work no mroe
😦
thorny pond
Wonder why
kind talon
🤔
Sim channel so peaceful rn
Everyone is in #subtlety because of the sims lol
Little do they know….
oak sky
kind talon
indigo mulch
oak sky
What are you killing people with bad takes 
i hope im not next
oak sky
