assassination

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gusty breach]

amazin

[spice spire]

Any time!

[unborn marlin]

Afenar's is so pog dude ngl

[vague drum]

If i have doomblade on my gloves how much am i screwing myself? Are these sockets make or break? Or is it just some top end min-max stuff?

[plucky gull]

hey there - so i saw sin got a up but will that make it relevant in M+ (medium level 15-16) or will outlaw still be the goto ?

[shut garnet]

u should play what you like in that range, but generally outlaw will be better than assarogue in m+

[gleaming fable]

all 3 specs seem viable, no one knows for sure which one will be optimal, might end up depending on the dungeon

[plucky gull]

cool cool

[spice spire]

Definitely want all sockets if possible. I’d make on cloak as soon as you can as well

[teal geyser]

anyone here going raiding as venthyr with obedience? or do you thing this gonna get nerfed?

[spice spire]

50/50 shot it gets nerfed

[gleaming eagle]

What's the average ilvl on shadowland atm?

[spice spire]

Run it if you think it won’t and if it does no harm no foul

[spice spire]

Like top end or current?

[gleaming eagle]

stopped playing 6 months ago with 215

Current

Planning to go back

[fallen arch]

It has been relevant all the time for that level of keys

[spice spire]

Well we’re not even in s2 yet

So probably 220ish?

[gleaming eagle]

Ah ok

Ye playing with 215 was fun 6 months ago

[spice spire]

I’m 224 rn, and a lot of people are closer to 226-229. But there’s no gear to be had from 9.1 that’s an upgrade over mythic afaik

[gleaming eagle]

Not too bad I guess

[odd hazel]

222 my self, some gear drops have been nice from korthia but I need to upgrade them ( got haste/vers helm and crit/vers wrist )

Prob try to get some of those korthia equipments to replace some 220 gear

Wondering if any of the new trinkets will be better then Phial/etc

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t look like it

[odd hazel]

Can we upgrade them automatically or will we have to farm a new one for season 2

[balmy condor]

Farm new ones

[odd hazel]

…..

Kidding ?

[balmy condor]

No

[odd hazel]

Don’t make me farm phial again whispyr

[balmy condor]

The phial you have is a season 1 phial

You would need a season 2 phial

[tribal mauve]

What stats are we going on obedience ? Still crit haste ? Or vers

[crisp steppe]

lets hope heroic week phials are not capped

that'd be pretty wild

[odd hazel]

Truely a sad day

[balmy condor]

Haste crit on every sin lego

[worthy moth]

hey guys, where can i find all discord class?

[odd hazel]

What

[worthy moth]

classes

[tribal mauve]

#rules-and-guides @worthy moth

[normal plaza]

if u wanna use it for sub too, what stat is better haste versa can be worth?

[balmy condor]

You would go crit vers

[bitter canyon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[bitter canyon]

anyone know if ryfie or another high m+ sin rogue made any content for 9.1 yet?

Ryfie’s server seems to be dead 😦

[shy dust]

Probably not given the raid nor the new season has launched

[spice spire]

Whispyr has been streaming more, maybe he’ll bless us with his sin content

Ryfie also probably is blasting sub rn

[thorny pond]

You’ll get more Ryfie since there’ll be tyrannical push weeks now

[balmy condor]

Sub*

[spice spire]

Unlucky I guess

[sour wraith]

Sim*

[balmy condor]

Probably will continue to do those as well, most of the work is done though

Just have to resim everything all the time

[sour wraith]

The sims never stop

[chrome widget]

It's not worth upgrading most of that gear IMO. It's recommended to use the research on conduits

@balmy condor are you playing sub also?

[balmy condor]

I haven’t specced sin once since Tuesday

[abstract venture]

Hello, is the hotfix for covenant change applied or not yet ?

[chrome widget]

Oh wow... Tell tell sign?

[balmy condor]

Sin is fine, just happy to be able to play sub again

[chrome widget]

I heard that

I guess that settles it venthyr I go tonight

Hope sub stays viable

[spice spire]

Grind*

[willow eagle]

Hey @balmy condor , outside of lashing, how impactful are the other potency conduits for sin?

[balmy condor]

Meh

[willow eagle]

Ok so what if

[balmy condor]

Uh oh

[chrome widget]

What legendary you running for sub whisp

[willow eagle]

we use cto on sin and run blindside/ subterfuge and use ambush from vanish

[abstract venture]

Cannot go back to Venth it still gives me the "Prove your worth" quest .. isnt this supposed to be reset ?

[balmy condor]

Finality atm

[spice spire]

Famous last words

[willow eagle]

because cto works on sin

[chrome widget]

Ty

[balmy condor]

Awful

[willow eagle]

Aw

[spice spire]

Soon™️

[willow eagle]

Sinlaw dream is dead

[tulip halo]

Anyone can explain me why to reapply bleeds so early prior to ending according to guide it's:
Rupture, refresh with 7.2 seconds remaining at 5 combo points, or 6 seconds remaining at 4 combo points

[terse talon]

I main assa but outlaw in m+… damn the difference from necro feels 😛 hopefully obedience makes it a little better

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[tulip halo]

Cheers 😄

I havent play sin for 5+ years.. always combat or outlaw lol

[balmy condor]

I’m sorry to hear that

[tulip halo]

But going full sin in 9.1! @balmy condor

[abstract venture]

@spice spire Soon as in this week? or as in 9.1.5 ?

[spice spire]

Depends on papi blizzard

I’d assume soon like this week

[abstract venture]

Aight thanks brother

[balmy condor]

[silent fossil]

first time sin here too i promise

[hoary fulcrum]

@balmy condor Are you liking Sub better than Sin for 9.1 so far?

[balmy condor]

I’m liking sub because I haven’t played it seriously in a long time

If it’s better or worse idk

[spice spire]

It seems much better than current. Like if it’s better or worse is whatever, but not being absolutely dumpstered is huge for our sub brethren

Because god damn it’s been a long time coming

[tight ginkgo]

We like-a the spin

[undone eagle]

regarding the torment event, how long is it up? i mean it spawns every 2 hours , but idk duration

[spice spire]

Unsure

[fallen arch]

Depends on how quick players finish it

But never more than like 5-10 minutes, enough time to get there

[alpine latch]

Made the swap to Venthyr last night.. Was hoping that LFR would give 2 renown, but it's still not even a 100% chance per boss

[spice spire]

It’s not

And drops aren’t 2 renown atm. Just higher chances of drop.
2 from quests and 3 from world boss afaik

[alpine latch]

Yeah, made it from like 3 to 19 last night

Hoping to be around 35 tonight

Evidently I never did Venthyr at all

[modern fiber]

I am a raider/m+ ksm content player and I like the sub play style and also enjoy assassination l. I see a lot of people giving assassination great reviews but also seeing that, with the buffs, sub is simming close. For the sake of helping my raid and m+ team which is better for that content? I do know sub a little better than assassination.

[spice spire]

Stick with sub then. Both are excellent for raid and sub looks a little bit better for m+ and you know it a bit better so there’s the comfort factor too

Sub simming slightly higher on both as well. It just lacks the cleave damage

[modern fiber]

True didn’t know if the ability to have dmg on the boss while away due to mechanics like assassination would make it better or not

[strange silo]

If i killed worldboss and some raid boss do i get renown if i kill them again or nah?

[spice spire]

Downtime is a meme. It effects everyone and is detrimental. Sub looking good. Unless the fights are all cleave sub looking very good

[spice spire]

Once per week

[modern fiber]

Thanks!!

[sonic schooner]

@spice spire but what about SP downtime?

[strange silo]

even if i swap covenant now?

[spice spire]

Any time, good luck this tier papi

[spice spire]

Aight chief it’s time to hop off the TL

[spice spire]

Afaik yes. Not 100% though

[strange silo]

Hm ok and if i swap cov now i can start the quest chain to swap back right?

[spice spire]

Afaik yeah

[hot helm]

can cloaks have a socket? if i make a new doomblade rank 4 on a cloak with a base item i got pre-9.1, is that a problem? are they supposed to have a socket?

[spice spire]

They cannot

So you’re a-okay chief

[hot helm]

but cloak is still bis for doomblade spot?

[spice spire]

Legs also no socket

[spice spire]

Yes because you have dom sockets on other two slots

[hot helm]

gucci

[spice spire]

Unfortunately 😦

[balmy condor]

Gang

[hot helm]

flip flops

[balmy condor]

With the strap

[oak sky]

Quake affirming downtime is a meme

[covert belfry]

anyone know the spell ID of the crimson tempest DoT so I can track it with plater?

[winged basin]

Can we just stop talking about downtime lmao, I can’t tell which conversation I hate more, obedience or downtime, or bis lists, or scaling.

[balmy condor]

Based

[winged basin]

The only reason I like the obedience talk is cause I can copypasta my meme

[hollow talon]

is this correct

only 1% vers?

[spice spire]

121411 I think?

[balmy condor]

Per stack yes

[hollow talon]

how much stacks do you get

like 1% each time u flag?

[balmy condor]

Flag does a lash every cp you spend

[spice spire]

1% per CP consumed with a finisher during flag’s duration

[undone eagle]

Is it still Doom lego BiS for raiding & Zoldyck for m+ as sin?

[balmy condor]

It caps at 30

Sub can hit 30 pretty easily

Sin gets to like 25ish

[spice spire]

If you’re non venthyr, yes.
If you’re venthyr obedience

[hollow talon]

ooh ok gotcha

[spice spire]

For both

[undone eagle]

Ah obedience is the new lego for venthyr right

[spice spire]

Correct

[undone eagle]

cheers, im necro so imma stick with those 2 thanks

doom & zol 😄

Legs or feet slot ? for zoldyck craft

i guess it doesnt matter right

[spice spire]

Legs

[undone eagle]

actaully legs i saw on kelthuzad sry

[balmy condor]

Feet giga bad

[undone eagle]

tru i realized

[balmy condor]

Don’t craft anything on feet this patch

[spice spire]

Tell that to your OF papi :/

Sorry bad joke

[azure bronze]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[balmy condor]

I need more emotes tbh

Might go pester my artist again

[spice spire]

I do as well, but you definitely do. Your artist did an amazing job

[fluid raven]

What soulbind do I use as Nerco assa?

[azure bronze]

Heirmir

[spice spire]

Heirmir - gemstones

[undone eagle]

And what about the pvp ilvl increase, i just turn WM on and i suddenly get higher ilvl right?

[balmy condor]

Seem yer selllllllfffffff

[sinful flicker]

i seem pretty cool

[edgy ginkgo]

which slot for doomblade?

[balmy condor]

Cloak

[edgy ginkgo]

ty

[tulip halo]

Whispyr does pandemic work that the 30% of the dur (and therefore dmg) gets added to the new debuff and keep adding up indefinetly like ignite?

[tulip nacelle]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[tulip nacelle]

it just adds duration

[thin nexus]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[shut garnet]

yo is this any good for sin?

like can this proc off the bleeds critting

[thin nexus]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[undone eagle]

wait you can already obtain higher ilvl items?

or is this old pic

[azure bronze]

it's in the dungeon journal for the raid

[undone eagle]

ah ty

[plush remnant]

Is it about a 8% dps loss to be necro vs venthyr in raid?

[shut garnet]

if nothing gets touched its preeetty big

[plush remnant]

if

[undone eagle]

Why cant i upgrade to 235?? ''you dont have a base item that is a higher item level than your legendary''

shouldnt i be free to upgrade it to 235 for only soul ash ? -_

[thorny pond]

Do you have the base 235 in your bags?

[bleak sedge]

no you need an 235 legs

[undone eagle]

ah so i have to buy again? i forgot xD

[bleak sedge]

yes 😄

[undone eagle]

i just bought 225 from AH so i thought i could upgrade it to 235 to save gold

now i just made myself lose 11k LUL

[bleak sedge]

becasue blizzard likes making stuff shitty on small servers where that shit cost your kidneys

[undone eagle]

so is it just better i wait until they release higher ilvl?

i dont wanna spend 40k for 235 xD

i rather pay more for the new ones to come

You get me?

[bleak sedge]

if you dont need it then wait 😄 (as long as there isnt a mechanic im missing=

[undone eagle]

nono i just wanted to craft it to have zoldyck rdy for next week 😛

[balmy condor]

It’s still ppm

[bleak sedge]

then wait i guess 😄

im missing 7 renown to go for obedience this week 😦

[balmy condor]

Well should be 6

But the cap this week is 42, and 45 next week

[spice spire]

Can’t get obedience until week 3

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[bleak sedge]

Ah fuck me...

[undone eagle]

damn blizzard is robbing us on gold especially if u switch specs and have to recraft 2~legos etc 😦

[bleak sedge]

why the fuck are they doing this. raid is in week 2 why are leggys in week 3

i dont want to craft doomblade just to replace it 1 week later. So i guess ill just go for zoldyks since i need it for m+ anyways?

[spice spire]

Mythic week

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s available first mythic week

[bleak sedge]

well. guess im doing hc raid on 9.0 leggys then

[odd hazel]

I meannnn

maybe ?

[balmy condor]

As you probably should

[undone eagle]

You have to pay 5,150 each time you wanna upgrade it from 4-5-6????

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[undone eagle]

or they mean 0 , only soul cinders for 5 & 6?

[modest jasper]

Yep.

[undone eagle]

LOL

[modest jasper]

[odd hazel]

That’s not a lot tbh

[azure bronze]

wait for real?

[balmy condor]

Upgrading to 5 is honestly a waste of time tbh

[azure bronze]

I thought it was only rank 4 and then it uses cinders only?

[tulip nacelle]

this is true

[bleak sedge]

soul ash will be easy to get as soon as the floors will go higher

[undone eagle]

But from 3 to 4 is is like 1950 only?

[balmy condor]

Oh really

[tulip nacelle]

it's total cost

[modest jasper]

Agreed.
Mostly because it takes exactly the same new materials as a r6.
It's gonna be similarly expensive.

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t cost ash to upgrade?

[tulip nacelle]

right?

[balmy condor]

Bless

[undone eagle]

yeah i guess so

i dont think

[modest jasper]

Oh, you actually meant it.

Nah, it's cumulative cost.

[undone eagle]

they just mentioned for rank 5 and 6 you need pay with soul cinders

[modest jasper]

No soul ash past 4

😄

[undone eagle]

yeah

exactly 😄

thats why i was like why is it same

and it wouldnt make any sense if u compare to the other rank 1-4 upgrades

would cost hella lot

Good to know i dont need to worry about soul ash anymore on my main 😂

[bleak sedge]

does that mean i need rank 4 before i can go to rank 5?

[undone eagle]

No idea , this is what im gonna try to do. I just crafted rank 3 zoldyck

waiting for rank 5

🙂

I doubt it

[balmy condor]

Don’t go rank 5

[undone eagle]

they mention 5,150 soul ash is because if you wanna upgrade it from 1-3 to 5

you got me? @bleak sedge

so it will cost me like 1950 soul ash from rank 3 to 5

[teal bloom]

We can craft rank 5 on mythic week and 6 one week after?

[undone eagle]

thats why they added soul ash for rank 5 and 6, if you wanna upgrade below 4

[balmy condor]

I believe so

If you’re min-maxing week 1 mythic

You would want to craft a rank 5 obed and then upgrade

But you could wait a week and make a 6

[covert belfry]

That's the ID for the crimson tempest ability

it doesnt work when you add it to tracking

[undone eagle]

@balmy condor i bet its better in my situation to save rank 4 until rank 6 upgrade since i play with doom / zoldyck right

wouldnt make a big diff for normal/hc raids

[bleak sedge]

which probably makes more sense if dmg isnt a problem your raidruns into

[undone eagle]

i mean i dont really care about it*

[covert belfry]

I checked wowhead and I can't find the actual debuff it puts on an enemy

plater needs that one for it to track

[balmy condor]

Do you use elvui

[covert belfry]

no

[balmy condor]

Just apply crimson tempest to something and hover over the debuff

Unlucky

[undone eagle]

I'll explain, the reason why they show rank 5 & 6 cost's 5150 soul ash is because if you wanna upgrade a lego from rank 1-3 directly to 5 or 6.

From rank 4 to 5/6 costs only soul cinder

[spice spire]

Trying adding the - before the ID then? I’d have to look at my WA when I get home

Doing off of memory

[covert belfry]

doesnt work unfortunately

[spice spire]

Unlucky. If not solved in a few hours I’ll check mine sorry 😦

[viscid burrow]

thats the same id i have for my debuff

[covert belfry]

why doesnt it work for mine then

damn it

I added it twice and now it works lmao

[oak sky]

I just typed in crimson tempest on the debuff tracker list

[limpid minnow]

any word on the sylv daggers yet

[neon cloak]

Bis I believe

They should be

End boss tier weapon 🌝

[balmy condor]

They are

[arctic hare]

Didddd I hear debuff tracker lost?

List*

[alpine latch]

Have they announced the new Dagger yet? Or is still just a xmog?

[placid adder]

I plan on using the one time switch to go back to venthyr. Will there be a catch up for 40-42 next week with renown increase?

[arctic hare]

Which new dagger, the sylvanas?

[alpine latch]

yeah

[arctic hare]

Its not out till like tuesday right?

[alpine latch]

As of right now it's for xmog only basically since it has no stats

[oak sky]

I think it was never an xmog the effect was just messed up

[limpid minnow]

last i heard it was only usable by one rogue in a group

for hte debuff

[alpine latch]

They removed the on-hit altogether

So now it's just a dagger with no stats

[oak sky]

Yes, but thats probably because it wasnt working how they wanted it to

[alpine latch]

Definitely

[bleak sedge]

do we get compensation ?

[alpine latch]

Just wondering if I missed a PTR note about it being fixed/changed or if was still just removed

[oak sky]

They might have fixed it on ptr idk, but im sure by the time its live it should be working

[merry fox]

Daggers have effect on live in dungeon journal

But no secondaries

[oak sky]

I dont think its meant to have secondaries

[alpine latch]

It's not

[oak sky]

Most of the special weapons dont

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's working as intended

[merry fox]

Ye, would be too good

[alpine latch]

but they removed the proc on PTR

[oak sky]

I think the bow does? Because its a leggo

[alpine latch]

No, the 2h sword does

[oak sky]

Kk

[alpine latch]

But the "consume" is fucking useless anyway

It's a DPS loss (and a massive gold sink)

[merry fox]

2h does only without empower

more empored it is - less secondaries it has

[oak sky]

Yeah it changes the stat budget or something i remember now

[merry fox]

last level empower = no secondaries

[quiet oar]

Hey, im venthyr right now and i was thinking about changing to Necro. Will it be stronger in the end?

[merry fox]

need to wait till balance patch before mythic

rn vent is go to choice

[quiet oar]

Yeah ok. I was a bit confused, because the most logs are Necro.

[alpine latch]

The Obedience (Venthyr) legendary which we get soon makes it a winner.

[spice spire]

Obedience is a strong legendary is the answer to your ailment

Soon™️

[alpine latch]

Also, 3 potencies are OP

I believe we get 3 potencies with vampirebois

(I don't know if everyone does)

[oak sky]

In st with nadjia you go dauntless duelist

[spice spire]

We only get two yeah

Cuz we go dauntless

Wait fatal flaw creates a large burst window hol up

[balmy condor]

Everyone gets 3, taking all 3 depends on if your conduits are shit

We have about 1.5 good conduits

[strange python]

should i just stay outlaw until obedience comes out, i have enough to make doomblade but if its gonna be obsolete in 2-3 weeks idk if itll be worth

[balmy condor]

So usually if there’s something good (gemstone, pointed courage, dauntless), we take that

[toxic root]

If I swap to venth craft lvl 5 leggo at once and gets nerf next week I will commit seppuku

[balmy condor]

We don’t know

[balmy condor]

Well you won’t be able to craft the venth lego for another 2.5 weeks

So there’s that

[toxic root]

Ye I still chill as necro I got venth 40 aswell

[oak sky]

I get the feeling im gonna start caring about conduit energy this patch

[tall flower]

I only have like 20+ renown on venthyr should i change it now fast n farm it quick ?

[toxic root]

Can we swap to our old covenant without the penalty?

[tall flower]

I m rather hesitant to go venthyr from necro

[toxic root]

Anyone knows ?

[balmy condor]

It’s not live yet

[hasty crater]

man this mists dagger wont drop. Any other somewhat '' easy'' dagger to get ?

[vestal wren]

i don't think you need to bc. you kinda use mostly the same ones in m+/raid

[bleak sun]

@toxic root ive switchted venthyr to necro Last week (thursday)->trying to switch back to venthyr but draven wont talk me

[balmy condor]

They’re all around the same drop rate. If the mist dagger doesn’t drop, neither will the others

[merry fox]

You literally can't care about conduit energy in current shitty system coz if try actively change them you go out of it very fast -> malding for a little -> then make static builds for st/aoe -> forget about energy as it never happened

[toxic root]

Idk I think we suppose to have a free change again on our old covs

[bleak sun]

Its not live yet

[toxic root]

Cool

[vestal wren]

sylvanas will probably be harder to kill tho

[arctic hare]

Anyone else play the pineapple game?

[hasty crater]

Can a dagger drop in Korthea ?

[nimble tartan]

sylvanas bridge phase sin stocks 📈

[arctic hare]

I haven’t seen sylvanas’s fight yet

I’ll have to play the rest of em soon

[odd heath]

Yes, i dropped one from a chest or boss yesterday

Upgradeable with the new currency

[covert belfry]

any slice and dice weakauras?

[alpine latch]

In what way?

[covert belfry]

to keep track of s&d

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

I modified afenar’s slightly

V good

More universal tho

[covert belfry]

can they be broken down to just have a basic bar for tracking the buff

i dont really like to use WA packs

[oak sky]

As sin its not crazy important since it naturally refreshes with cut to the chase

[ancient kraken]

just pick the snd one

and delete the rest

[oak sky]

You kinda only need to see when its low

[ancient kraken]

or make your self, is really easy

[covert belfry]

never made any weakauras but Im trying to edit one I have for hunter frenzy now lol

[vast pond]

I have a stand alone bar Spiffo. Want me to message it to you?

[covert belfry]

yeah sure

[arctic hare]

I use a weakaura by

Gahh, who was it

OH, luxthos

[ancient kraken]

ah same

i changed a lot

[arctic hare]

Love his weakauras, they’re great lol

[ancient kraken]

but i really like the core

[arctic hare]

Keep track of evvvvverything

[oak sky]

Personally i just use the buff tracker on my personal healthbar from plater but whatever makes you play comfortably is best

[twin bolt]

Yo guys, how is assa looking right now in 9.1? Best melee spec right now?

[lone wren]

I got a dagger from korthia can't remember if it was drop it quest reward. It can get upgraded to 235ilvl

[spice spire]

99% sure you can post in here for future reference! I know the CFs/norms do often!

If you prefer messaging that always works too 😛

[spice spire]

We look fine, best so far looks like fury warrior actually

Followed by sub then I think us afaik

[jolly niche]

Should i craft Doomblade on shoulder?

[arctic hare]

No

Back

[spice spire]

Back, shoulders have a domination socket

[jolly niche]

ty ^^

[twin bolt]

Really @spice spire? logs looking not so good for fury 😦

[spice spire]

9.0 isn’t 9.1 😛

Hold pls

[arctic hare]

Yeah, pretty major difference

[lone wren]

Good thing is with the way obedient is we can play both ass and Sub based on what the fight/raid needs are

[spice spire]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T27_Raid.html

@twin bolt so far this is how they look afaik

Not all classes implemented etc etc. take with grain of salt ofc

[twin bolt]

but i think the specs arent optimized there

[balmy condor]

That’s a lot of David

[arctic hare]

It is

[balmy condor]

But also quad david is correct

T27 profiles are kinda messy atm

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Yeah hence the etc. etc.

[balmy condor]

Even if they weren’t messy, comparing specs in sims imo is kinda really bad

[spice spire]

Fury in general has seemed v strong yeah?

[maiden raven]

@balmy condor where should i craft my doomblade legy? cloak?

[balmy condor]

@warlock omegalul

[spice spire]

Not wrong

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Warlock sims

[oak sky]

I think i heard warlock sims have gotten a little better but still suck

Not like it matters much you never dont bring warlock

[spice spire]

Why would you not bring a lock though

[arctic hare]

lol, trueeee

[spice spire]

Gate and cookies OP

[arctic hare]

Those cookies are tastay

[vestal wren]

yes, someone stepped up and fixed demo

[oak sky]

Summons are bis

[vestal wren]

thats why it sims decent/good now

[spice spire]

Wait demo fixed?

[oak sky]

Who needs gate and cookies thats for chumos

Chumps

[arctic hare]

Uhhhh

[spice spire]

What about the other specs though?

[vestal wren]

its old news tho

[spice spire]

Tbf I don’t really follow locks, we have four in my guild and one dude looks at their stuff that isn’t me 😛

[arctic hare]

When its the only thing blocking you from life an death try sayin that again

Cookies I mean

[oak sky]

Definitely wasnt a joke

[vestal wren]

thats why demo is on par with sub

and not like... 13% lower in output

[strange python]

This is 9.5 sims right

I mean 9.0.5

[spice spire]

T26 so I’d assume so?

[strange python]

So full 226 then

[vestal wren]

thats 9.0.5 sim with 9.1 changes

[spice spire]

Since 9.1 is t27, ye. Just unsure which patch it’s pulling from

[strange python]

Gotcha

[spice spire]

Ahh

[vestal wren]

so its mythic castle gear

[spice spire]

But 9.1 balance

[vestal wren]

no 3rd potency etc.

[timber socket]

are we still running doomblade as assa for sanctum?

[spice spire]

If non venthyr in raid, yes. If venthyr, obedience

[strange python]

Crafting both

[timber socket]

Thanks mate 🙂

[strange python]

Not risking obedience getting nerfed and being stuck leggoless

[timber socket]

allready made like 6 different hahahah, so many times ive had to change spec this exp so far

[vestal wren]

you can't craft obedience before mythic week

[strange python]

Yeh

I’ll just have the stuff to make it

I meant

[bitter canyon]

im guessing if we got our renown 41 and 42 on one cov, we'll have to wait until next week to get 41 and 42 on another cov?

[fervent rune]

Has any sims been done to see how much domination sockets adds to dps? Especially after you get the bonus for 3

[spice spire]

According to others you can do it this week

[upbeat sandal]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[spice spire]

On ST it looks like it!

[strange python]

I heard it was like a 7% increase although I’m not sure

[fervent rune]

To know if I should take a high lvl helm or chest out of vault instead to running heroic gear till/if I get CE

7% for the 2 others after the 3bonus? If so guess I’m running 239 gear 😩

[strange python]

Ahh not sure, someone prolly knows better

[hollow dirge]

So if you switch covenant, you’ll get the same weekly quests?

[spice spire]

According To a few people yes. I haven’t done it personally but I’d like to believe people wouldn’t present falsehoods!

[scenic osprey]

so the anima buff gives 8% crit or mastery depend on whichever is higher

should i make sure crit is alwasy higher so get crit from the buff instead of mastery

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

You can sim your vault so that’s not gonna be a problem

[balmy condor]

Probably

[scenic osprey]

or it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

I think if you have less crit than mastery you already have some problems

[scenic osprey]

yes my mastery is higher lol

[balmy condor]

Well, new season means new opportunity to fix your gear

So I would try to avoid that

[scenic osprey]

ok in general haste=crit>mastery=vers then?

[soft shale]

if you're venthyr crit runs ahead for a while

but as always use top gear for upgrades

[balmy condor]

Kinda yeah

In single target you want haste Crit vers

In aoe you want crit mast haste

[kind veldt]

People asking sub vrs sin, remember sin is typically better in prog due to bleeds doing a lot of our damage as sub you need to stick on the boss

[merry fox]

Oh no no no

[shy dust]

bleeds dont do a lot of your damage

[kind veldt]

Not too many pure patchwork fights

Env over all is like 1100
Deadly psn 600
Garrote and rupture both 500

Psn/bleeds make up half the dmg

More than

[shy dust]

you need to stick on the boost to press envenom

[kind veldt]

Who suffers more from movement, sub or sin

[shy dust]

sub

but you dont do most of your damage from bleeds

[kind veldt]

By a drastic amount

[shy dust]

deadly+rupture+garrote is around 19%

of total damage

[merry fox]

Ok, I dont want to raise a topic about sin vs sub uptime holy war. But don't forget that most sub dmg comes from burst windows so losing a couple of backstabs is not world's end

[balmy condor]

This convo again

[cerulean nest]

sin and sub both being perfectly viable while everyone argues be like

https://tenor.com/view/teen-wolf-grind-dance-funny-dance-gif-13573373

[obtuse robin]

any updates on fuu's finding s from last night

[balmy condor]

What did fuu look into

[young nacelle]

hey guys so sin or sub

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t he just updating his spreadsheet?

[obtuse robin]

his sims for sub went from 10.6k dps to 10.3

[cedar crater]

Am i still putting haste and crit on lego?

[obtuse robin]

ass

sorry

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s cause of a fix to fatal flaws that didn’t make it into the pins

[soft shale]

yea dont worry our boi theo has our back

[obtuse robin]

damn

[soft shale]

so its still 108xx

[balmy condor]

Sims are still shaky

And they will be for a while

Just how it be

[obtuse robin]

def not 108xx

how they stand atm anyway

more testing is needed

[balmy condor]

I mean we still don’t know how sylvanas daggers work fully

Or how strong they’re gonna be

At least we have some idea

Druids are still simming nathria gear

[vestal wren]

druids don't want us to know how strong they are

[soft shale]

hysteria feral stonking

in the shadows

real subtlety

pop polearm incarn frenzy

[cyan kite]

it's the year of the spear

[burnt star]

Seeing the debacle of this 9.1 sims.. NOT knowing numbers would help a lot tbh

Only letting us know something along the line: vent sub real close
Vent looking to be better. Thats.it

Or whatever

[lone wren]

When it's this close during early sims stop stressing. It means both sub and ass are in a good spot

[burnt star]

Thats the point

[obtuse robin]

sub is like 600 dps ahead

atm

st

[lone wren]

And again when sims are this close , you have to wait for actual practical data from raids. Simulations at the end of the day are educated guesses

[burnt star]

Sims are shaky. Not sure. Some bug. Etc. So people jumps to conclusion for no reason

Sometime knowledge can be bad because u need a brain to comprehend it

[lone wren]

I'm loving all 3 specs and plan to play all 3 with bias towards raid performance. I'm enjoying the class!

[burnt star]

Its like posting a link on facebook about a stupid fakenews title but if u read it. Its the complete opposite

[vestal wren]

what covenant did you choose tho

[lone wren]

I have venthyr due to my raid performance bias. I picked the necrolord quest and gonna have it ready for turn in case obedient gets nerfed

So that's it. I'm chill this way until we are a few weeks in and the clouds clear

[vestal wren]

thats quite smart

necro still doesn't seem to be worth on sub outside of m+

[vestal wren]

i would prefere to have more information

[lone wren]

If obedient gets nerfed it will make sin the best raid spec anyway. And as I said if your bias is raids you have to go with what will perform best there.

If you wanna focus on m+ outlaw will be your primary spec if you are serious. So in that case pick sub or sin as your off spec and play necrolord with Kyrian quest ready for turn in while you wait for more data

If you pick assassination as your off spec have venthyr as back up ready.

[obtuse robin]

if obi gets nerfed sub is still ahead in st

[timid talon]

I love how wow has everyone conditioned to think best = op

if it gets nerfed the devs have no idea what they're doing and we should play a different game

look at other specs legendaries, they give FAR more than obedience

[obtuse robin]

well we r in the rogue discord so we talk about our leggo

idk

[timid talon]

Yeah but its a tad obnoxious everytime someone comes in here spewing ITS OP ITS GONNA GET NERFED

adds nothing to the conversation

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

Last time I got gaslit into playing Sub it ended up being dogwater. Not worth the risk.

[timid talon]

we have more pressing issues anyway, we still dont know how good the daggers are xd

[lone wren]

I mean if you look at flag right now as it is. It's pretty powerful single target. With the added vers buff and cooldown reduction to line it up with vendetta it's a little insane.

[obtuse robin]

i mean if that minor thing gets u liek that then prolly should be playing another game

[lone wren]

The reason we don't know if it will nerfed or not is because yes other classes have had very op legendaries and didn't get nerfed

[obtuse robin]

one of ours already got nerfed correct

the sbs one

[arctic hare]

No idea

[lone wren]

Which is why we don't know. I wouldn't be surprised either way. If Blizzard always balanced then I would say 100% it would get nerfed. Since they don't however I have no idea

[thorny pond]

That was a bit more extreme than obedience lol

[spice spire]

Best you can say is

[thorny pond]

Turned outlaw into a literal shotgun

[spice spire]

There’s a 50/50 shot

[lone wren]

One reason it may not get nerfed is to make up for how bad rogues were in CN. They were very unwanted ....didn't bring any buffs or debuffs and DPS was average

[thorny pond]

EIther yes or no

It will or won't

[spice spire]

Exactly

[lone wren]

This may be their way if giving rogues a meaningful spot without major reworks

[spice spire]

Could be

[thorny pond]

Are you my dad? Making same joke to new people lol

[lone wren]

Since major class reworks don't happen mid expansion

[timid cloud]

Sin was one of the best specs for Sire prog because of P3.

[thorny pond]

.0.5 not 9.0

[kind quiver]

I don’t think it will because there are other leggos out there that are just as or more powerful. Also, we don’t bring anything else but damage, so why not let us do what we do? I’d be surprised if it was nerfed.

[lone wren]

Either way it would be smart to prep for both scenarios based on your end game focus

[obtuse robin]

sadly that logic hasnt saverd rogue

i just dont want to feel like i may need to play sub for prog

[humble valley]

Is there a trinket list out there somewhere?

[obtuse robin]

dont like the spec

[lone wren]

The one that never drops for you is your bis trinket. It's how it always works

[kind quiver]

Bloodmallet added the new trinkets, but not all the i levels are in.

I had four phials in my vault throughout season one. 😂😂😂

[strange python]

is sub actually better than sin rn?

[obtuse robin]

atm for st

like 600 dps ahead but more sims r coming

[lone wren]

Sub also suffers more from mechanics/movement take that into consideration

[obtuse robin]

some tweaks need to be made

[strange python]

They won’t nerf obedience, they will just buff the other legendaries

[obtuse robin]

subs have better movement then sin

[cyan kite]

[obtuse robin]

or u mean someting else

[lone wren]

Uptime

[obtuse robin]

well they do have rupture now

helps

[loud light]

please not more uptime talk

[spice spire]

Downtime memes and obedience in one conversation, OH BOY!

[loud light]

anything else

[strange python]

Lol

[spice spire]

Everyone suffers from it, sin bleeds don’t make them immune from suffering from downtime

[obtuse robin]

i always tend to lean with that logic but im not a theary crafter so idk

[lone wren]

With how close sims are even something like your raid leaders Strat would impact which spec would be better for you. Stuff like does your raid tank adds close to boss or seperate etc. Lots of factors which is why we need practical data. Sims right now are telling us both assassination and sub are very viable

[spice spire]

Whispyr novel inc

[obtuse robin]

u keep sasying they are close but they are not

[gusty kestrel]

thats not even what the downtime thing is about

[obtuse robin]

atm

[strange python]

600 dps

is a lot of dps

lol

[manic haven]

Are there many fights in the raid that lend themselves to cleave where sin is likely to outperform sub?

[strange python]

a difference of that is a pretty large gap

[gusty kestrel]

but good to know that u dont even know what ure talking about

[obtuse robin]

thats like more thewn 5 %

[kind quiver]

[inner temple]

is there a discord macro to whisper me all of the random !pd / !os w/e we've gotten setup here?

[spice spire]

I legitimately had a couple of people say sin suffered less from downtime due To bleeds. So that’s the case for some, yeah

[lone wren]

Sims are showing 10-11k results. 600 training dummy results isn't that big of a gap

[strange python]

[forest shoal]

Doomblade still going to be the best leggo in 9.1 for Sin raiding?

[gusty kestrel]

and did u tell them thats not the only thing?

or did u just make fun of them

[strange python]

if vent, no. its the venth leggo

[obtuse robin]

its def not training dummy results

[inner temple]

"if not venthyr, yes".

[forest shoal]

when does that become available? im venbro

[inner temple]

Mweek

[obtuse robin]

and 600 is alot

[forest shoal]

Thx Mhun

[strange python]

same exact thing, stated adifferent way

[inner temple]

exactly

[spice spire]

No, I tend not to make fun of people who are earnest in their understanding. It’s clear you don’t interact with me a lot as that’s not really what I’m about - everyone loses on downtime. The energy regen argument was made but resource management isn’t all there is to damage diff, especially if DT causes overcap

[forest shoal]

so at Renown 48.

[loud light]

do a !help in #bot-spam and Moroes will dm you

[balmy condor]

something that's kept me up at night tbh. Do I share numbers publicly, and have the downside of people running with them, or do I keep them private and have the downside of people just not knowing? splitting the difference isn't really an option cause saying "venth and necro are both good" then just gets the follow up of "good how? by how much? whats the difference? is obedience good? is deathspike good? do we run emeni? is the buff to draven good?" and then you either have to tell people that you're not sharing info, which is 1. a dick move, teasing info and then not sharing it, cause they obviously know you have it, and 2. doesn't really do anyone any good, because you're basically not saying anything to begin with. On the flipside, I can understand not wanting to know numbers because they might change in a week, a day, an hour if something gets hotfixed, fatal flaws got changed in sims 3 hours after I re-did the pins the last time, so I get it, I really do. But I think to me personally, I would rather prefer to give people as much information as we have available, and tell people that it changes, and if people can't interpret the data for themselves, that's their problem, but at least I did what I could in giving people the information that I could ya know? I don't want to hide data and sims, I don't want to be all high and mighty about it. If I'm simming, and I'm looking at it, then I want everyone else to be able to see it, and look at it as well

[inner temple]

thanks

[sonic schooner]

Woah whysp wrote a book

[safe whale]

nominate whis for rogue of the year

[lone wren]

600 out of 11k is 5.4% that's not much when comparing specs and not factoring in adds, type of adds, fight flow, uptime/downtime etc

[oak sky]

Because whispyr is a winner

[obtuse robin]

bro thats alot of dps lmao

[azure flare]

5% is a lot

[lone wren]

All we know right now is that both specs are viable for now. Until we have practical data to compare

[azure flare]

you're optimizing your gems/enchants for much much much less

[inner temple]

my unwanted 2cents, if you were to withhold it, someone will angry sim and share it anyway and we wind up like DH's with multiple discords yelling at each other and accomplishing nothing but being edgy dumdums

[obtuse robin]

thats almost double the dps of ur best conduit

[azure flare]

tbh the people that don't want to know

can literally stay away from the info

[sonic schooner]

Tbh, we should just teach people how to look at sims

[timid cloud]

I just remember a time when people said Sub was gonna be the Rogue spec. Then it ended up sandbagging for an entire tier like it was BFA all over again.

[spice spire]

It also comes into play is downtime by design or by play.

Ie. Is the downtime forced like shriekwing or inflated by you not stepping back to hungering every chance possible from either the giant circle or self circle he made.

[inner temple]

normally yes, when APL / simc itself is wonky, thats hard to do reliably

[loud light]

Having the data available is definitely the right way to go, and your spreadsheet with links to raidbots is great. I do wonder if having the sim dps picture pinned encourages the lazy to just look at that and not read any further, though. But that's also just sort of their problem then? Unfortunately then they're the ones that rage about stuff changing

[sonic schooner]

I like having all those infos and numbers. They are really helpful

[safe whale]

tbh i never expect sub to be the go-to spec for pve

[balmy condor]

also @gusty kestrel I think you can hop into a spec channel without antagonizing people. Quake is honest to god one of the nicest people in this channel and it's clear you don't spend a lot of time here if you think he's making fun of people. If you have a point to make about a conversation, try to think about what you're saying to who before you just start blasting at random people

[timid talon]

its not too hot for pvp either

[lone wren]

It's based on single target vacuum. You have got to understand that a class that does upfront damage based on uptime has to sim a little higher than a dot based class

[balmy condor]

it's my personal spreadsheet honestly it wasn't ready for public sharing, but it's something to improve for next time

[lone wren]

That's why 600 isn't that much to go by. That is also why every decent guide says "bis single target doesn't mean bis in raid" for exactly that reason

[formal jackal]

friendly reminder to keep this bug report at the top of the forums: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/echoing-reprimand-not-working/1014880/13

[gusty kestrel]

I asked him if he made fun of them, I never said he did.

but its fine teacher whispyr

[azure flare]

keep in mind tho, this new raid tier is mostly single target focused, less burst oriented

and a lot less aoe oriented

[timid cloud]

I’m just sitting back & waiting for you to do your thing, Whispyr. You’re doin’ the lords work. You do the math. I’ll try to do a pump with the math.

[azure flare]

this is speaking for hc tho

idk what mythic will bring

[obtuse robin]

xd

[oak sky]

The big takeaway is that sub and sin and even outlaw are really good and we might have runaway venthyr

But we can have fun anyway

[azure flare]

[sonic schooner]

[thorny pond]

Play what you like

[timid cloud]

I’m ready to flop back to Venthyr Sin when they pump out that free swap if it ends up being better than Necrolord.

[thorny pond]

You can even be night fae

[cyan kite]

even if burst isn't explicitly enhanced by mechanics (like on sludge or with prideful) it's still almost always better than a flatter damage profile

[timid cloud]

No one is playing Night Fae in 2021.

[inner temple]

swapping "early" so i can use the free swap back when obi gets dumpstered XD

[obtuse robin]

i see ppl say sod is mostly multi target and others say its mostly st

[safe whale]

kyrian sin when

[obtuse robin]

eeww

[timid cloud]

All my homies hate Sepsis.

[thorny pond]

Cut snek boo

Soulshape into bucket of water

[safe whale]

just watch blizz make us swap between all 4 in one tier

[thorny pond]

Last tier?

[inner temple]

you mean like last tier?

[thorny pond]

Literally last tier

[cyan kite]

^

[safe whale]

...... okay in my defense

i played hpal last tier

[thorny pond]

Fotm chaser huh

[inner temple]

nope, its indefensible

[timid cloud]

I played NIGHT FAE Sub, we all make Mistakes.

[thorny pond]

That’s okay

[safe whale]

you know it

[obtuse robin]

well we all played in cn so we all made a mistake

rogue*

[cyan kite]

Bro the real mistake was starting with venth in 9.0

[oak sky]

^

[timid cloud]

I mean I dropped Rogue & went Hunter for my first round of CN CE so idk about that one chief.

[obtuse robin]

smarter then us

[safe whale]

my guild doesnt need a healer and with how much ST it looks like is in SoD, and the guild not having a rogue (aND SYLV DAGGERS ARE COOL) sin felt like a great choice

[oak sky]

Flag taking up 2 globals and then going away if you missed the 2nd one

Really fun 🙂

[timid cloud]

You mean Ashvanes Razor Coral v2?

[safe whale]

i hated ashvane trinklet

[oak sky]

It did like no damage too

[cyan kite]

i was told that all the covenants were viable at that point

i was lied to

[oak sky]

I mean it was viable

It just felt awful

[cyan kite]

okay true

[timid cloud]

You just took it for inkpod crit. Then you went Font / Coral towards the end. But I digress...back to the current tier.

[oak sky]

9.0.5 was crazy though, literally everything you could ask for to buff flag

No recast, more damage, and 1% haste per stack

[loud light]

I don't miss having to channel font of power

[cyan kite]

i stayed necro for outlaw m+

[oak sky]

Yeah im currently necro

At least ill have the renown leveled most of the way if i ever need to swap back

[neat pulsar]

doomblade still on back ?

[hollow river]

Yep

[neat pulsar]

ok ty

[arctic hare]

The only thing I’m slightly sad about is having another legendary on my back

Ash’jrakamas anyone?

[kind talon]

Hell yeah

Ashjrakamas was sick man

[timid talon]

gong lu anyone

[arctic hare]

I will admit, ashjrakamas was pretty epic

[kind talon]

It was like renown but instead of worthless blizzard points you got ilvl on a piece of gear

[arctic hare]

True

[arctic hare]

I assume gong lu was the pandaria lego?

[kind talon]

And that sick main stat proc

[timid talon]

yeah the strength one lol

[arctic hare]

Oh crap, I had nearly forgotten about it

[timid talon]

i cant remember the agi one

[arctic hare]

I didn’t play pandaria much, definitely never got as far as the cloak

So i don’t know what they looked like

I am however working on grabbing the fangs of the father rn

[timid talon]

They mog weird, i have to mog them backwards to get them to work

like sleeper main hand

[arctic hare]

Oh, odd

I still gotta figure out what kind of gear will go well with them

[timid talon]

i just use the CM set from mop

[arctic hare]

CM?

[timid talon]

challenge mode

[arctic hare]

Oh…

Well that sucks

Is it the silent assassin armor?

[timid talon]

yea

[arctic hare]

Lol, its too bad you can’t get it anymore

Oh well

Wait, were there cool daggers that came with challenge mode?

Whoa

[timid talon]

WoD CMs yeah

[brisk eagle]

I wanted to ask about the doomblades legendary, does it work with bleed effects from things like trinkets?

[hollow river]

No

[arctic hare]

YOU CAN STILL PURCHASE THEM

In stormshield, ashran

[timid talon]

if you have the achievements i think

[arctic hare]

Oh

Thats draenor challenge

[viscid spear]

Only bleeds from your abilities.
Garrote
Rupture
Crimson Tempest
Bonespike (if Necro)

[brisk eagle]

Yeah, I figured as much

[burnt star]

My main concern was more about how u felt with all that. The infighting can be really depressing and the sims were the cause. I also prefer to know the number and the data when its available . But if u wanted to withold them i would have understood too.
Tldr im glad ur doing all this work for us!!

[brisk eagle]

Too bad, it wouldn't been interested to see weapon swap shenanigans

I butchered that english, whoops

[viscid spear]

Would be insane if it worked off any bleed you do.

[brisk eagle]

Yeah, it would be a way more interesting legendary

[dull osprey]

Does the bleed it applies not count either?

[arctic hare]

Oh no

That does count

[dull osprey]

:wack:

[arctic hare]

Yeah

Doomblade would be possibly too powerful if trinket bleeds counted

I mean, that is a 5% dmg increase for EVERY bleed you have on target

[brisk eagle]

Well, the balance would have to shift for that to be a function

in it's current state, yeah agreed

[arctic hare]

Oh undoubtedly

[kind talon]

5% damage for envenoms

[brisk eagle]

but it would be a way cooler legendary

[dull osprey]

I’m currently trying to come to terms that I have to (well rather SHOULD) swap from my Fae bois…

[arctic hare]

Yeah, true

[brisk eagle]

Especially with the new fist weapon coming out

[kind talon]

It would be cooler but not broken

[arctic hare]

Why would you have to?

[brisk eagle]

Cuz ass normally can't use their abilities with a fist weapon to my knowledge

[arctic hare]

You don’t haveeeee to switch

[dull osprey]

Cause it measurably behind

[arctic hare]

And?

[dull osprey]

Yeah I dont HAVE TO

[arctic hare]

And you don’t want to obviously

[brisk eagle]

I thought it was still fairly close?

[dull osprey]

Ye.

[kind talon]

Uh

Night fae is significantly worse

[dull osprey]

I thought it was like int the 200-300 behind

[arctic hare]

Afaik its pretty far behind

[kind talon]

Than everyone else

Ya I mean u don’t have to switch I guess but

That’s the info

[brisk eagle]

Ah, I was looking at 60 renown

at 60 it's 100 behind

[arctic hare]

Ahh ok

Which, hey, that isn’t terribly behind

[brisk eagle]

yeah, at 40 it's 200ish

[arctic hare]

Ahh okay

[kind talon]

hu

[brisk eagle]

so if you're looking for peak optimization, yeah it's probably wise to swap

[kind talon]

at max renown its

like

1k

behind

[arctic hare]

Yeouch

[dull osprey]

I guess its more up to if my raid group wants me to be 100% optimized

[kind talon]

nightfae vs venthyr

[arctic hare]

Indeed

[brisk eagle]

max renown is 80 right?

[kind talon]

i mean youre looking at like 10-11% dps diff

ya its 80

[arctic hare]

I believe so

[brisk eagle]

I haven't seen any sims about 80 renown

[kind talon]

i mean

the sim is just with full conduits

thats the only thing that matters afaik

[dull osprey]

Thematically I like the Fae, but I didn’t think to sim at max. Which would make sense to do

[arctic hare]

Yeah, true

[brisk eagle]

Well there is a chance they get some soulbinds that shift things, but probably won't change a 1k difference

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[brisk eagle]

That's crazy though, I didn't think it was a huge difference

Honestly, I really like the Kryian ability a lot and wish it was better

[arctic hare]

Same here

I’ve never tried the kyrian ability

Don’t plan on it either, like venthyr too much

[brisk eagle]

Yeah

[gloomy knoll]

what's the command

for the list

that our defensives work on

[brisk eagle]

Kyrian is just bad because it only works on 1 anima point, and the legendary should really just be baseline

at least partially

[arctic hare]

Hmm

[gloomy knoll]

@balmy condor

[waxen thunder]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[azure bronze]

!defensives

[viscid spear]

I was NF until last weekend, switched to Venthyr and I'm glad I did.

[azure bronze]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[azure bronze]

[gloomy knoll]

ty

[azure bronze]

there it is

[arctic hare]

I can hardly wait to get back from vacation so I can play me rogue

[viscid spear]

[arctic hare]

lol

Definitely NOT outlaw

[safe barn]

damn the law is like 1k behind

[viscid spear]

[arctic hare]

Yes

[kind talon]

?

[arctic hare]

Flag is favorite

[oak sky]

Frostfire same

[viscid spear]

[kind talon]

ur fucking with otl?

whats wrong

with u

man

[viscid spear]

Good

[kind talon]

pirates are sick

[arctic hare]

Evvvvverything

[kind talon]

fuck off

[arctic hare]

Never!

[kind talon]

😮

[oak sky]

Outlaw is aight but its definitely my least favorite

Just like thematically

[arctic hare]

lol

I had to stop playing it cause I sucked so bad at it, and at sbs

[oak sky]

I probably like it better than any other spec

[kind talon]

outlaw is like

500 behind

@safe barn

[oak sky]

Maybe not monk or shadow but

[kind talon]

and i think thats without fist weapon sim

[oak sky]

Outside those outlaw is good

[arctic hare]

Fist weapon sim?

[kind talon]

theres a fist weapon

[arctic hare]

Oh?

[lean thorn]

!bis

[covert belfry]

does serrated bone spike stack?

[whole bluff]

The daggers are not in the sims too so it's still gonna be around the same? Maybe

[arctic hare]

Afaik no

[kind talon]

idk

[lean thorn]

Is there a bis list already?

[kind talon]

we will see

[arctic hare]

No

[fathom flax]

No but it does blade flurry

[spice spire]

What do you mean by stack?

[kind talon]

daggers are cracked

[arctic hare]

No, bad, bad bis list

[fathom flax]

Whoops wrong quote

[kind talon]

but like

[heavy coral]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[kind talon]

wouldnt the daggers just be more impactful for sub

than sin?

[dull osprey]

Thats what I was thinking

[kind talon]

they just get more finishers

[dull osprey]

Shadow damage and all that

[kind talon]

and more cp and more energy lol

[arctic hare]

lol, nice

[kind talon]

not the shadow damage

i dont think that makes a difference

[dull osprey]

Oh word?

[arctic hare]

I just want daggers, mostly for how cool they look, the effect just makes me want it more

[viscid spear]

Not on one target.
3 spikes, 1 target each

[covert belfry]

on one target I meant

ah ok

[kind talon]

ya i think the daggers are

based on cp u spend

chance to proc dmg per cp

[fathom flax]

What’s the over under on obedience getting nerfed

[viscid spear]

Just stick 'em on 3 targets that'll be up for a while, and if you have Doomblade the DoT counts as a bleed.

[fathom flax]

Just levelled necro to 42 and cbf swapping again haha

[ancient path]

is renown catcup live if you're above 40? like can i get to 42 on necro this week and then swap to venthyr and get 42 from dungeons etc?

[fathom flax]

Yes

[viscid spear]

Asking a question in the SPriest Discord and getting no reply

[fathom flax]

I recov’d and got to 42 since Wednesday

The campaign gives 2-3 renown per chapter, world boss is 3 etc, catch up is super easy

[arctic hare]

I don’t even remember if I got to 40 on necro

[fathom flax]

Waiting til we can get to 48 to swap to venthyr if I have to 😦

[ancient path]

if thats the case then i guess the play is to swap from necro when u can get obedience

[viscid spear]

Some of the Cov campaign quests were only giving me 1, wasn't until the part where you discover Kel'thuzad's involvement that I started getting 2

[fathom flax]

Did you do them before reset?

No idea but I didn’t have to do any farming and I’m 42 and I fucked up by handing in 1k anima early

[spice spire]

It deals initial damage again, bleeds do not stack

[fathom flax]

I jumped 39->41 and then handed in Maw weekly for 42

[spice spire]

Unsure if that was already answered, sorry if it was 😛