assassination

[umbral rapids]

if it was a regular one it's whatever

[violet hemlock]

Well then why did they even add covenant leggos if they cant be good

[umbral rapids]

Well then why did they even add covenant leggos if they cant be good

[balmy condor]

yeah remember when one thing but then change and then other thing? pretty siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick

[kind talon]

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[umbral rapids]

[kind talon]

:3

[native silo]

Do we have side by sides of all specs and covs somewhere? Who got the fire google doc

[balmy condor]

try the pins

[thorny pond]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

i am atm busy (gf forces me to do torghast), i can continue update the sheet later (i hope)

[kind talon]

Gg

[native silo]

Bless you @vestal wren

[sand sigil]

so was deadly poison always doing this damage in game it just wasn't reflected in the sims? or sin was doing 150 dps less in game than it was supposed to cuz the bug was in game?

[grim jay]

I pray for you to get some decent rewards from that quest

[sand sigil]

cuz on ur sheet it looks like obedience sub still smokes sin but i saw someone else saying sin best st now so i'm confused lmao

[viscid spear]

Do you have to talk to Tinybell before each time time you go looking for Maelie? I've checked all the spots and nothing

[umbral rapids]

i've spent way too much time looking for that sob

[analog oak]

yeah i was wondering the same. sims say sub everyone says sin

[vestal wren]

Deathly poison basically does not proc from everything its supposed to, this means sin did sim slightly to high

[balmy condor]

we don't know when it came in

[viscid spear]

Spamming a target macro and nothing

Hmm, Maelie is standing next to Tinybell, what now

[woeful glade]

Wait, slightly too high or slightly too low? Was it proccing MORE than it should?

[balmy condor]

sim proc rate is higher than game

[sand sigil]

so then sub is even more attractive

better hope for some sylvanas dagger rng heroic week

[cerulean nest]

im already 42 renown. if I switch back to venth today (40), can I catch back up somehow?

[balmy condor]

no

you'd catch up next week I'm pretty sure

[wise fiber]

Whats the cov tree for venth this week?

[cerulean nest]

lame

[strange python]

Any new trinkets looking to be SL version of dino charm/melee version of bell?

This razorwing quill looks good

[fallen arch]

Is 2 renown all we’re going to get week 1?

[balmy condor]

yes

[viscid spear]

The spectral bound chest seems bugged like Maelie

Can't find the third key anywhere

[balmy condor]

really? I opened it yesterday

the keys are random

there's tomtom coords in a wowhead comment

[viscid spear]

None of the spots shown have a key tho

[balmy condor]

do another lap

[viscid spear]

I'm Mario Andretti oveer here, lol

[cerulean nest]

I cant wait to get in the fucking raid, enough of this rep grind nonsense lets gooooooo

[frank blade]

Might be kind of a dumb question but I got my two renowned levels as necro yesterday but I got another dagger today so I think I want to swap to venth for sin/sub, will I be punished and be a week behind if I swap today?

[copper hazel]

the chest that you need to open 3 keys has more keys further out from the chest area directly

you got to go a bit north west

handynotes shows it if you click the chest on the main map, then itll keep the spots on your mini map

[viscid spear]

Yeah I have HN, and all the spots are empty

Also Maelie isn't leaving Tinybell's side

[austere gorge]

how to change covenant to NF . i cant find the NPC in oribos for NF change

[viscid spear]

Talk to the NF people in the room with the map

The Enclave

[austere gorge]

ok thank you. will check again

[wise fiber]

I must be blind. didnt find the answer on pins. 😦

[tribal mauve]

opened it 2hours ago

[viscid spear]

Omfg, the key was in the blue pool

Like you literally can't see it unless you mouseover

[austere gorge]

they are not here anymore omg.

[plain thistle]

they left

its probably because the guy is in some quest in the maw or the new questline

[austere gorge]

yah i dont wanna waste renown in storyline quest

[viscid spear]

Hmm, let me look it up

[plain thistle]

renown is for 1000 anima and korthia quest that takes places after 3/9 questline

[sharp panther]

you have to start it to get them to go back to their spots

[austere gorge]

yah, but i wanna change to NF now. 😦

[plain thistle]

[austere gorge]

weird. they lefttttt!

[viscid spear]

Yeah can't find any info

[pure moth]

Guess they didn't want to talk to you... lol

[austere gorge]

haha

actually the only option before start of 9.1 story line are kyrian, necro and vent. . that butterfly is not asking if i wanna join

during the time when they are all in front of Bolbar

[viscid spear]

Also Maelie is still next to Tinybell at Keeper's Respite

[pure moth]

What cov are you @austere gorge

[austere gorge]

oh there he is..

[gentle gyro]

oh boy, my Torghast runs get a score now?

[austere gorge]

they will appear after talking to tal-inara

[austere gorge]

im kyrian. wanna join NF 😛

[hollow river]

O.o

[viscid spear]

[odd hazel]

I miss Nf but that’s only for the mobility

[analog oak]

that mobility is so nice. give assn grap hook!

[modern heart]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gentle gyro]

shadowstep > hook

[viscid spear]

Yeah I miss Soulshape
Door is nice and all but we don't need a teleport with a cast-time

[odd hazel]

Imagine if we could like, mix covenant ability’s

Or atleast align with 2 groups and use one of each

But only use one soulbind tree so it’s balanced lol

[viscid spear]

Remains to be seen how Covenants will be handled after this expansion

Like what systems they decide to keep\

[odd hazel]

Just another good system left in the dust

[trail dove]

for myth raid assa/sub Venthyr is still the way to go right? no changes so far ?

[odd hazel]

Who knows by 3rd week

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hasty crater]

Is there an easy dagger to snatch somewhere ? or only way is mythic plus and upgrade with valor ?

[gentle gyro]

I hope you like MotS

[odd hazel]

Nah only good ones are M+ and sire

[hasty crater]

guess spamming MotS it is yeah..

[odd hazel]

That or halls

( or the other venth dungeon, can’t remember which )

[modern heart]

does it matter when i use flag? just before a finisher ?

[frigid kestrel]

I think it’s SD and MOTS

[odd hazel]

Mut - SnD - mut - garrote - vendetta - flag - rupture

[rustic thunder]

Just before the finisher will net you the most CPs in flag window theoretically

[odd hazel]

In opener other then that basically align it with CDs but don’t delay it to much

[oak sky]

Pretty sure you want rupture up before vendetta so every tick gets buffed but thats probably a tiny optimization

[odd hazel]

You use rupture after because of flag

So you benefit from the CP

And vendetta

[cyan kite]

anyone else's Great Vault still broken? My first slot still says ilvl 216 when it should be 226

[visual prairie]

did you open it originally when it was broken? you might be screwed

[oak sky]

No i mean i think you do flag rupture vendetta instead of vendettq flag rupture

Its probably not even much of an increase tho if at all

[fleet anchor]

It should only be 100-200 DPS for the Deadly Poison bug. Most of our triggers are still from AAs/Mutilate anyway

[gentle gyro]

is there a reason alliance kill parties are running around in Korthia?

or just usual madness

[teal bloom]

I don't think the extra tick of rupture is worth not using flag inside vendetta window

[odd hazel]

Why you in WM though

[gentle gyro]

greedy for anima, but ye imma turn it off

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor your boy marileth looks kinda awful on sub btw

[gentle gyro]

was just wondering whether there's a reason i get hunted across the zone

[balmy condor]

my happiness grows

[spice spire]

Toxic

Mid stream too

[balmy condor]

death to kevin

[fleet anchor]

I don't think Sub has a full setup for casting Fleshcraft mid-combat yet in the APL?

I added to Assassination and Outlaw

[balmy condor]

I thought we added to sub as well

[fleet anchor]

Precombat for all the specs

[balmy condor]

emeni simmed higher than heirmir

[teal bluff]

So is 252 the new 226?

[balmy condor]

yes

[teal bluff]

Ok ty

[fleet anchor]

Ah, may be OK for Sub now

Didn't really look

[balmy condor]

yeah there's a condition

just checked

poggies

kevin bad

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor is it vend - flag - rupture ?

[fleet anchor]

Not totally sure why it would be, it should be fairly similar

[odd hazel]

[spice spire]

Yes

You flag before rupture

[odd hazel]

[balmy condor]

hm, an advanced sim put it higher than a top gear

[spice spire]

And vend doesn’t take the GCD, so you lose 0 effective GCDs

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna call a mulligan

[odd hazel]

@oak sky +1 for the mecha gnome

[balmy condor]

and say weird

[weary marten]

if we talk about the full opener then it's mut snd mut garrote (mut to 4+) vendetta flag rupture ?

[fleet anchor]

Oh

[balmy condor]

probably missed a setting or something

[fleet anchor]

I think it's just because Sub doesn't use SBS really in the APL right now

Kevin uptime probably really low

[balmy condor]

oh true

it's just dump out of dance

not uptime

[fleet anchor]

Doesn't even dump really, just end of fight + initial?

Probably just needs a condition to use it outside of CDs to keep Kevin up

[vestal wren]

ye seemed like that

[balmy condor]

oh yeah, you're right

[fleet anchor]

Same for Lead by Example tbh

[balmy condor]

yeah

needs an LBE change too

[fleet anchor]

Assassination uses all its charges and since Kevin just refreshes duration it's pretty easy to use

[astral plover]

Legit just today i grinded to 41 as Necro. now swapping back to Venthyr

BIG

[fleet anchor]

No idea how it's gonna shake out but anyway

[weary marten]

World boss is 3 renouns btw if you're under 40

[balmy condor]

yeah I added it to my list

[fleet anchor]

I will say Solvent is pretty strong while questing lol

[balmy condor]

thanks

[fleet anchor]

Getting triple type buffs all the time is pog

Humanoid+Beast+Undead buff wheee

[weary marten]

do we know if getting the theotar 4 hours tea stays if we use another tree ?

[high ingot]

So, as a raiding rogue, do i want maximum ST with venthyr? Or is necro the play to have better time as outlaw? ST Sims Venthyr seems to be way too far ahead to pass up, right?

[balmy condor]

it goes away

[weary marten]

gotcha 👍

[odd hazel]

Necro is still top M+ but if obedience stays the way it is it’ll be very close in M+ as well as top ST

@high ingot

[regal cape]

Having only swapped to venthyr Monday, flag is surprisingly pog. Idk why I didn't try swapping on farm kekw. Necro is still pog with extra bleeds, but the burst of haste is neato.

[high ingot]

meh, having been NF for so long its kinda sad that i looks to be so far behind. guess it's venthyr then <.<

[whole mason]

For vent, the only problem should be cleave boss

[distant cypress]

I'm staying NF

[odd hazel]

Venth is great at cleave

??????

[distant cypress]

Fuk swapping, I'm not running my character fantasy with blizz flawed system designed to force me to swap

[odd hazel]

“Character fantasy” lawl

[distant cypress]

XD

[nimble tartan]

not forced if u staying nf

[whole mason]

I don't think force is any kind of related here.

[high ingot]

I'm RL, my raiders won't respect me if I gimp myself that hard by staying NF

[whole mason]

However, you may say staying NF for that specific boss

So you can go any where without worrying about anything

if you can be so picky at rogue mobility kits.

[gritty mist]

im looking at fuu spreadsheet, what does delta means?

[balmy condor]

delta is change

so the delta between two profiles

is the difference

[plush remnant]

For raid should we go doom or obedience?

[odd hazel]

Doom first obedience week 3

[plush remnant]

Ty

[rapid yew]

Is Creeping Venom (pvp talent) bugged?

[plush remnant]

@odd hazel What stats on them?

[odd hazel]

Crit/haste if you plan to play sub then crit/vers

[strange python]

Interesting...razorwing quill at 206 is simming only 60 dps below 226 memory

[viscid spear]

Did the part of the Venthyr campaign where you kill that lich with Kael'thas and discover Kel'thuzad's involvement and I got 2 Renown for turning it in

[analog pilot]

how confident are people that Doomblade will be crafted on the back

this is my first tier DPSing and im all of a sudden scared to spend all my soul ashe

[thorny pond]

If you run DB it’ll be back 100%

The other slots have domination sockets

[analog pilot]

gotcha

[thorny pond]

I assume non venth but if you are venth obedience is also cloak

[viscid spear]

Also if you do make Obedience when it's available that goes on cloak too

[analog pilot]

how confident are people that Doomblade will be the legendary of choice

[thorny pond]

Check the pins

But what covenant are you?

[viscid spear]

For Sin it's pretty surely going to be the best

[analog pilot]

necro

[thorny pond]

And what content do you do mostly?

[analog pilot]

mythic raiding, don't push much beyond KSM

[odd hazel]

Should go venth then

[thorny pond]

K doomblade will be your bis

[viscid spear]

Yeah Venthur is the pick if your main focus is raiding

[strange python]

Unless you're venth.

[thorny pond]

No covenant bullying in the channel please

[strange python]

what about obedience though?

[odd hazel]

I mean doom is best until week 3

[thorny pond]

He’s necro

[viscid spear]

We don't know about Obedience yet

[thorny pond]

We kinda do

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid spear]

I mean whether or not Blizz lets us have it as is

[regal ledge]

Anyone know how I get rid of this>

[thorny pond]

Don’t make assumptions

[thorny pond]

Update addons and reload

Assuming they do anything is horrible practice

Boat was a thing for so long

[regal ledge]

Still there

[delicate bone]

do you use quartz?

[thorny pond]

What add on is it?

[latent pilot]

@regal ledge /quartz and untick boxes over there

XD

[regal ledge]

Ah I did use quarts but dont anymore

its still enabled

Thanks guys]

[lapis bane]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[delicate bone]

ez fix 🙂

npnp

[latent pilot]

[balmy condor]

remember that 4 quarts is a gallon

[odd hazel]

[latent pilot]

are dad jokes banable here?

[thorny pond]

How many CFs does it take to screw in a lightbulb? @balmy condor

[gentle gyro]

I'm...almost...done...

[balmy condor]

uh oh

[thorny pond]

I don’t know. They’re still simming it

[latent pilot]

[hasty crater]

@gentle gyro u dont want to even turn it in

so why u grinding it

[magic gale]

why not

[hasty crater]

Wait for darkmoon faire for more rep

[magic gale]

oh yeah

[misty cave]

@hasty crater people said it didnt work in ptr

[gentle gyro]

tbh i just like a clean questlog

[misty cave]

99% of the people here arent going to take advantage of the extra rep

[visual prairie]

i like a queen clestlog

[odd hazel]

Why is it so dark here ?

Because we live with the shadows :^)

[young nacelle]

[gentle gyro]

you could use discord light mode if it's too dark for you

[magic gale]

can you do tormentors of torghast multiple times

[odd hazel]

If they are up sure

Are you doing the shaping quest ?

[plain thistle]

I would like to keep my eye sight

[magic gale]

i did it already

[gentle gyro]

better stay out of Bastion then

[magic gale]

i got the hand mount aswell 😄

[odd hazel]

Guys why are you talking in a @balmy condor

[plain thistle]

for some reason bastion doesn't bother me

[young nacelle]

pog

[balmy condor]

[odd hazel]

Guys stop shouting

Talk in a @balmy condor

Okay I’m done

Let’s leave him alone to sleep lol

[arctic hare]

Does that thing move around like a spider?

[balmy condor]

to SLEEP?

[arctic hare]

Sleep is for the weak

[balmy condor]

does this look like sleep

to you

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor

[potent dagger]

Could you give me your twitch channel link ? ^^

[balmy condor]

you can just click my name

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor it to him

[potent dagger]

K i'm in ^^

[magic gale]

@arctic hare moves on 2 fingers

looks amazing

[arctic hare]

I, have got, to get that mount lol

I could freak out my guild with it

How’d ya get it?

[plain thistle]

hey whispyr, do you have sim comparing venthyr (with Obedience) and necro for 2 and 3 targets?

[patent isle]

In single target, is it ok to delay Shiv 4-5 seconds to get full combo points/energy for use in the Shiv window or is it more important to use ASAP for more overall uses over the fight?

[odd hazel]

Never delay shiv

Slam that

Also never do full CP

Always finish at max -1

[patent isle]

Cool

Thanks

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor you said the poison stuff is in sims already? I can't see a commit with it

[balmy condor]

there's some very basic numbers in the spreadsheet

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[visual prairie]

if you get full cp, try to exit combat until one of your CP falls off. then do finisher

so you can always finish at max -1

[balmy condor]

okay thanks

[fleet anchor]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/34ef1fd4c04c5fdcb21e745e4bba19a7eaf46a13

[vestal wren]

btw. koji mystler pushed the fleshcraft changes for subtlety already

reference:https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/bf6e4909203ea08afe3af1f24d82923db4e17731

[balmy condor]

yeah we were talking about that earlier

[vestal wren]

my gf sadly did hold me hostage, so i am a bit lte to the conversation^^

[balmy condor]

:P

[fleet anchor]

Yeah we realized the issue was more in the SBS usage for Kevin

Poor Kevin

Always forgotten

[balmy condor]

no kevin

[potent dagger]

Always forgotten , forever in my heart XD

[fleet anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-kids-program-christmas-program-choir-gif-15809828

Real life picture of Whispyr

[balmy condor]

[plucky isle]

is it better to wait for a rank 6 legendary upgrade? i'm currently coming from a rank 3

[sturdy scarab]

are there any guides updated for sin ? or nothing has changed so i can roll with a 9.05 one ?

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[spice spire]

WH and IV should be updated

[astral plover]

how do u exchange Soul ash from chars to other chars?

[fringe dust]

renown 44

cant yet

[astral plover]

so the char that gives soul ash

has to be renown 44

[rugged wren]

should I upgrade Doomblade to 235 or save soul ash for venthyr legendary?

[fringe dust]

the npc that sells the Packaged Soul Ash appears at renown 44 in Korthia, is my understanding

[west hare]

alright boys im a venth assas wanting to pvp and raid what leggo do i craft

[spice spire]

Rn Doomblade

[strange python]

does anyone know if i do rebuild our trust and start at 40 will i be able to get 42 this week?

[spice spire]

Two weeks obedience

[strange python]

current renown is 42

[spice spire]

If you haven’t done your stuff this week

You’ll be able to catch up next week

[west hare]

easy i have a 190 so upgrade that to max then just get obedience week 3

[spice spire]

Yessir

[west hare]

thanks alot i have it on my hands tho

[spice spire]

Plus soul ash farm is infinite

[west hare]

should i recraft to back

[spice spire]

Pray for no dom sockets

Should def craft on back

Shares slot with obedience too

[west hare]

alright sweet ty man

in your opinion is venth better than necro for pvp/raid?

[fringe dust]

they are close, but by the looks of things as they stand at this very second yes

[meager kiln]

And with assa/outlaw raid/m+ mix necro is still the way to go?

[fringe dust]

not sure with outlaw in the mix

[west hare]

yeah you get the deathspike leggo pre sure

[thorny pond]

No

[fringe dust]

if you pop into that channel they are debating necro and kyrian rn

[thorny pond]

It’s dead

[west hare]

no?

oh rip lol XD

[thorny pond]

Death spike has been dead

[viscid spear]

Can't get a Flawless run in Torghast

[west hare]

[spice spire]

Yes, whispyr is simming now. And the gap might be growing, he did forget some nl simming so he’s redoing rn

[west hare]

nl simming ?

[arctic hare]

Necrolord

[west hare]

ah

[arctic hare]

Took me a moment to realize too

[bleak sedge]

then i will wait for that before i switch back to NL XD

[spice spire]

Sorry my bad! Working too!

[west hare]

ahaha i just swapped from nl to venth bc i had 0 renown on nl and couldnt be bothered

so im just hoping

[viscid spear]

Maybe it's because I didn't have the Box of Many Things

[bleak sedge]

i have 0 renown on venth XD

[arctic hare]

So, what exactly IS the box of many things?

Is it a replacement for venari?

[fiery forge]

Guys I have a question I made doomblade on hands... so do I understand it right that I have to recraft it now?

[viscid spear]

It's like the upgrades for Visions runs in BfA

[gusty pewter]

what misive should put in cloack?

[arctic hare]

Oh, good to know

[spice spire]

What legendary? And if it’s obedience are you sin only?

[spice spire]

Yes to cloak

[gusty pewter]

doomblade atm

will craft obedience in two week

[glossy wedge]

what's everyone using pvp talent wise, hemo seems like a must but smoke, maneuverability and septic 😮 all good

[spice spire]

Crit/haste @gusty pewter sorry for ping

[spice spire]

#pvp knows more. PvE Andys here unfortunate

[west hare]

ahaha im using dismantle and hemo now

seems nice

dismantle is massive

[viscid spear]

Why does Creeping Venom suck so hard now

[kind veldt]

If you guys read the pins, the dmg between NL and venth is negligible… unless you’re in a top 10 guild, play what you want between the 2

[upbeat needle]

So is Sub going to be better than Assa for raid?

[spice spire]

Pins set to change shortly

[kind veldt]

Sin it usually good for prog due to not having to stand on the boss the whole time

Any heavy movement fight, sin is going to be good

[spice spire]

Depends on what level you do and the comfortability on each spec. Both will be fine

[kind veldt]

Your dmg is a lot of bleeds and poison

[upbeat needle]

Mythic raiding, pushing for CE

I figured Assa would be the way to go because you've still got dots ticking while doing mechanics

[frosty bridge]

wait, can we not switch Covenants this week?

I mean, take the switching quest

[upbeat needle]

you can

[kind veldt]

Sin is very forgiving on rotation/opener as well

Compared to sub

[frosty bridge]

Where do I find the venthyr bois to talk to?

[upbeat needle]

Should be in Oribos

[spice spire]

Oribos by bolvar

[frosty bridge]

They only say "How can I help you, Maw walker"

I already completed the whole intro stuff, farmed korthia etc

[sage yew]

Check for the quests in ravendrath

[frosty bridge]

Maybe because I switched just today back to Necro?

I will check again tomorrow, yikes man

[spice spire]

Unfortunate

[halcyon zealot]

pretty sure if you just turned in the quest today there’s like a 2-3 day ICD on being able to pick it up for another cov

[frosty bridge]

Gotcha, cheers, assumed so

[halcyon zealot]

cuz i swapped back venth last night and wasn’t able to pick up necro prove your worth either

[brisk forge]

i swapped last night aswell to vent, but going back to necro. and the Q was tehre today 😮

[halcyon zealot]

oh maybe it’s just 1 daily reset then

[viscid spear]

Confronting Sin and Envy are each giving me 2 Renown

[forest delta]

so, how many changed to vamp today?

[bitter canyon]

did you guys see the changes to spires last trash?

actually makes the dungeon impossible

not even listed anywhere

[plucky isle]

its it better to wait a few weeks and upgrade your legendary to rank 6 or?

[viscid spear]

?

[balmy condor]

9.1 Comparisons No Sylv dagger, everything else good.
Conduits:

• Single target: Lashing > Sudden >= WPS > Lethal >= Maim
• Dslice/5Tar: Lashing > Sudden >= Katar >= Lethal >= WPS
  Profiles are full mythic gear with 262 legendaries (256 ilvl overall). Trinket wise they are using Phial + Fusion Amp or Shadowgrasp.
  The pin isn't updated, but the sheet below is, daggers are in now
  https://tinyurl.com/2xav5yk8

[bitter canyon]

spear no longer shoots out orbs

[bitter canyon]

this is on the trash on the last platform

[brisk forge]

so vent is better in M+ then necro? :S

[viscid spear]

I must be having a brain fart because I have no idea what you mean

@bitter canyon

[slim wagon]

when does Obedience come out? next week? week after?

[spice spire]

Week after iirc

[frosty bridge]

Oof.

[wise fiber]

Yeah was awful! wasnt expecting that

[slim wagon]

WHOA!!! my profile name!!

hang on

[drowsy parcel]

obedience is not gonna get nerfed

[frosty bridge]

[slim wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/dear-lord-baby-jesus-gif-14663526

[violet hemlock]

Is the boxx of many things shit infinitely farmable?

[leaden turret]

shoulda replaced it with Hopium

[bitter canyon]

How do you deal with it? It was one shotting our tank

[viscid spear]

explain it to me pls

[bitter canyon]

and if our tank tried to dodge, it would be hard to dodge

is it cardinal directions from him?

[bitter canyon]

So the spears the adds throw usually have damage coming out in four directions

they removed that and instead had it come out of the boss

[viscid spear]

Oooh, I haven't done Spires yet this week

[gentle ocean]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[teal bloom]

[final sky]

is it worth upgrading my zoldyck legs to 225? (210 currently)

[red plaza]

Sure, if you have the money to afford the base and want to spend the time in Torghast. Soul ash shouldn’t really be an issue anymore since you get like 900 from layer 9.

[spice spire]

You can infinitely farm ash, just go for 235

[final sky]

alright, thanks 😄

[weary perch]

Everyone needs to stay still, more people move, more projectiles the angel shoots, or something like that

[dry copper]

Anyone know if renown catchup improvements will apply above 40? I assume yes, but blizz could do blizz things

[harsh anchor]

If you miss a week yes, but it isn’t giga like 0-40

[frosty cedar]

whats the poison bug boys?

[dry copper]

Basically wondering if swapping to venth needs to happen asap for obedience or if waiting a week will shaft that

[languid plinth]

Hey, so i have a fresh rogue alt. None of the legendaries from torghast are available, is there another way to get them?

[dry copper]

Already at 40 w/ venth, mostly concerned about new renown

TC chirpzy

[toxic root]

I got 40 all covenants 🤘😔

Kyrian to fae to venthir to necro

[fallow glacier]

Go to the twisting corridors, keep entering and leaving until you get the right floor type that drops your legendary

[languid plinth]

Ah i see, thanks so much

i can do that on any version?

like any level

[fallow glacier]

3+

[languid plinth]

ty!

[nimble tartan]

my gf works at blizzard and im swappin to nf i saw the buff..

[spice spire]

0/10

[regal ledge]

Man cant decide what to do with covenant swap from fae to something else or stay

[toxic root]

Stay for a week and see the next one?

[bitter canyon]

And is the tank suppose to just face tank it?

[delicate bone]

id swap from fae this weak

week*

the renown catchup is super quick rn

[viscid spear]

Renown 41, wondering if I can get that last point from a dungeon

[toxic root]

I stick with necro chad

[spice spire]

Fae actively bad

[spice spire]

I don’t think so?

[toxic root]

U cant

[regal ledge]

Go venth?

[viscid spear]

Well where can I get that 42nd point?

[toxic root]

1 from anima 1 from efforts

Anima reservoir and jailers efforts

[weary perch]

Well, yes, minimize the movement, but avoid mechanics of course.

[viscid spear]

I don't think I have any other means of getting Renown

[bitter canyon]

We had a bit of an undergeared DH tank (alt) so it absolutely wrecked him

[toxic root]

You were 40 or 39 ?

Today

[bitter canyon]

He was getting nearly one shot by the orbs coming out

Couldn’t figure out what to do and ended up failing the timer

For the pride buff and hero reset

[delicate bone]

if youve already dont the 2 for the week, you can get the catch up from dungeons

[viscid spear]

I was like 34 this morning.
Finished out the Cov Campaign

[delicate bone]

just not at a super high chnce

[toxic root]

A then you can get it

My bad I assumed u were 40

[weary perch]

Yeh, same happened to us @bitter canyon, we were timing +21 soa, but that little suprise took us couple of tries.

[viscid spear]

41, lol

[toxic root]

I mean you started at 40

[bitter canyon]

Yea failed our 20 on that. Big sad

Everything else was so easy too

Fucking blizz

[viscid spear]

"Medallion of Wrath" not possible yet for Venthyr?

[vapid solar]

So I don't have a legendary made at all yet for my rogue and i have 4k soul ash, should i make a R1 leg on back? Im not too sure on what to do

[edgy pawn]

farm soulash (it's infinitely farmable now) and craft a r4

[vapid solar]

Infinitely? As in I can spam one of the floors and just get soul ash?

[edgy pawn]

yeah

you get the "normal" amount on your first run and less on your second run

my 2nd run gave me like 170 or something on floor 9

[vapid solar]

ahh ok tyty

[edgy pawn]

not sure if you get even less on the 3rd run

[inner temple]

what is "sin bug is in"? on the spreadsheet?

[plain thistle]

deadly poison not applying for some abilities

[inner temple]

tyvm

[edgy pawn]

is there an estimate on how much simdps that will be if it gets fixed?

[inner temple]

#assassination message

[plain thistle]

fuu said something like 150 dps?

[balmy condor]

bout 100-200

[inner temple]

is what i se in search

[edgy pawn]

ah

[inner temple]

whispyr? lol

typo? XD

[edgy pawn]

thanks

[vale marten]

i honestly thought obi wouldnt get nerfed but when i say these new sims, theres no way it stays this way

see*

[balmy condor]

nothing changed though

it's just as strong as it was in the sims from anytime in the last week

[gusty mirage]

God, draven w/ obi hurts my soul

[hollow river]

Why?

[spice spire]

Draven is a horrible soulbind

Obi is just hard carrying it

[gusty mirage]

Draven hurts my soul

as a whole

[hollow river]

You mean like mikanikos carrying kyrian

[gusty mirage]

yeah kinda

[spice spire]

Ye

[fierce mango]

hey friends , someone can help me ?
I hadn’t been much active in the previous weeks? what is best covenant for progress ? (my guild is rank ~200) so lets say semi push guild progress

[idle shard]

these new sims are trying to make me swap to venthyr eh

[radiant fossil]

Guys, are the assault covenant daily ? weekly ?

[hollow river]

Bi weekly

[gusty mirage]

^ like the assaults in 8.3

you get 2 per week

[radiant fossil]

Ho ok

ty ty

[dense quest]

how likely is that blizzard nerf Obedience? i mean, i really don't want to swap to venthyr

[gusty mirage]

no one knows

[spice spire]

50/50

[gusty mirage]

if you don't wanna go venthyr you can go kyrian or necro

they're very much viable

[spice spire]

50% chance they do, 50% chance they don’t

[delicate bone]

i wouldnt give it a 50/50 lol

[fierce mango]

you won't even be able to play with Obedience before the mythic week

[delicate bone]

i would give it a 100% that we have no clue what happens and saying anything other than that is trying to justify not swapping or swapping

[balmy condor]

but they either do, or they don't

that sounds like a 1/2 chance to me

[gusty mirage]

That's cool, people said the same shit about doomblade. Here we are 3 months later and its still n ot nerfed

so

[neon cloak]

It seems we are switching ven if nothing is changed

[delicate bone]

you cant quantify something that we have no idea about though, it very well could be 70/30 but we have no idea if blizzard even thinks its an issue, so it may be off their radar being 0%

[balmy condor]

sky my dude

[delicate bone]

our saving grace is the fact that people cant even craft it until 48

[balmy condor]

they either do

or they don't

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[balmy condor]

[delicate bone]

correct lmfao

[balmy condor]

so there's 2 outcomes

[spice spire]

Which by design is?

[balmy condor]

and 1 of them is happening

that's 1/2

1/2 is 50%

[hollow river]

But 2-1=1

[delicate bone]

im aware what 50% is

[balmy condor]

holy shit he actually doesn't get it even after an explanation

[spice spire]

I refer to above Gif

[neon cloak]

Whis

should i ?

tell me

Should IIIII

[balmy condor]

should you what

[neon cloak]

Give up and go ven 😄

[glossy plover]

\

[hollow river]

Yep

[balmy condor]

I think it's fine to wait

[cyan kite]

Statisticians are rolling in their graves right now

[neon cloak]

my ven renown is 10ish

[spice spire]

You should do whatever you want. Venthyr is objectively the best class right now, but it’s fine to hold on for a second 🙂

[balmy condor]

I'm playing sub in keys, so venth is the place for me

[spice spire]

Catchup renown is very quick

[balmy condor]

even if they put obedience in the dirt

[spark salmon]

Fuck it go Venthyr

[spice spire]

Like quests giving two, world boss 3, kinda fast

[spark salmon]

JUST DO IT BRO

[neon cloak]

YES

[idle shard]

SHIT SHOULD I SWAP TO VENTHHHH

lmao

[hollow river]

Just say fuck it for once

[neon cloak]

YES

[hollow river]

You only@live once so just go fucking nuts

[cyan kite]

should I?

[neon cloak]

YES

[idle shard]

how bad can it be in AOE or ST if they nerf obedience

[spice spire]

Are you feeling the vampire vibes? If so switch it up

[spark salmon]

LETS GO WE ALL GO VENTHYR

[idle shard]

lmao

lets suck some blood kek

https://tenor.com/view/venthyr-covenant-revendreth-shadowlands-vampire-vampiric-gif-19280103

[spice spire]

Not very, venthyr was already best in ST and not too far behind in aoe.

Necrolord was more flexible, but venthyr is fine still

[idle shard]

how do u play ventyyr btw? Do u use flag before a finisher?

[steel parcel]

so DB is top right?

[hollow river]

Red names=venthyr. Blue names=venthyr. Yellow names=suck.
Green names=hot

[steel parcel]

unless your ven?

[spice spire]

In opener, you flag before you rupture

[proper halo]

im 40 renown venth and necro should i switch baqck to venth for raiding

[idle shard]

even if Im capped in CP? Like shiv?

[hollow river]

Yea

[delicate bone]

flag doesnt give cp

[spice spire]

Then if you don’t miss a cast, line CDs up. If you will miss a cast do it on CD

[spark salmon]

More finisher = better I think

[idle shard]

oh lol

[hollow river]

You wanna spend as many cp after flag as u can

[spice spire]

And yeah no CP from flag

So you do it right before a finisher 🙂

[spice spire]

Yes

[severe shuttle]

So what is currently bugged about poisons?

[idle shard]

I see, how long can I hold flag to line up?

[young nacelle]

imagine not already being venthyr from day 1

losers

[spice spire]

They’re not proccing for certain abilities like they should

[spark salmon]

Feels fucking bad man hahahhaa

[rich wren]

imagine not being 40 with all anyway

[spice spire]

Should only be 30 seconds. If you’re fight is six minutes + you don’t hold flag for vendetta

[severe shuttle]

I see, is it known how much of a big deal it is ?

[spark salmon]

Being one more week necro hits different

[spice spire]

Truly galaxy brained, tyl

[young nacelle]

[cyan kite]

imagine having to recast flag or you don't get the buff at all

[spice spire]

100-200 dps per whisp

[proper halo]

iu was just switched to necro to get up to 40 just in case this happens

[spice spire]

So not HUGE but not insignificant

[severe shuttle]

kk, tyvm

[idle shard]

f00k me

think its actually better to swap right now since the cap is only 42 right

it has to be worse later on

[spice spire]

Catchup xp is low key thicc

[idle shard]

so whats recommended to get to 40 renown asap with the catch up thing

[spice spire]

You can swap whenever. But minimum is 3 weeks until obedience so to be safe if you’re progging, make sure you swap next week

[spice spire]

Callings, world boss, M+, CN if you can find groups

Might be a bit hard

[idle shard]

campaign when

[spice spire]

Like world boss gave 3 renown

[idle shard]

sheetg

[spice spire]

As you can/it’s needed

[idle shard]

damn it son

lmao

I think Ill do heroic next week actually

should I wait or swap right now

[spice spire]

Are you 42 currently?

[idle shard]

yeah lol

[spice spire]

Are you doing any semi meaningful content the rest of the week, or are you vibing?

[steel parcel]

lol

[idle shard]

well im 214 ilvl so Im doing M+ for valor and vault

[wooden cradle]

Why not just swap now,start the quest to go back and next week you can do part two if something changes

[spice spire]

Think it’s a new swap

[indigo valley]

Has anyone had much luck finding renown 43? I was hoping to snag that new potency before our last bit of sire prog tonight

[spice spire]

Unless I misread?

[spice spire]

Only 42 this week chief

[idle shard]

yeah its a new swap

never been venth before

[indigo valley]

oof

[steel parcel]

sooo swap this week?

[spice spire]

I’d swap asap

Vault and valor don’t mean much tbh

[steel parcel]

[idle shard]

depends, some ppl want higher ilvl for dungs

lmao

[spice spire]

Unless you’re going last second ksm or something crazy

[idle shard]

nah already have it

just doing some 12s to get 223 lol

[spice spire]

Yeah, shouldn’t be huge then

[idle shard]

pretty sure I can do a 12 without traits lel

[spice spire]

You 100% can lol

[steel parcel]

so if i can ask what if i dont want to be venthyr

still run doomblade?

[spice spire]

Yeah

For raid

And Zoldyck’s for m+

[steel parcel]

alright thank you

[spice spire]

Any time papi

[velvet wraith]

Are a lot of people staying Necro until obedience comes out or are people swapping now?

[steel parcel]

[scenic osprey]

I feel necro is more useful in M+

ill stay

[spice spire]

Seems like we have a bit of swappers

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[silver yacht]

!bugs

[spice spire]

But obedience is definitely a bit overtuned. So it makes sense to swap. Necro is perfectly fine still

[velvet wraith]

It feels like its all the talk is about swapping and I don't know if many are staying Necro xD

[lavish isle]

im nightfae atm, thinking if i should go necro or vent

[spice spire]

Both are significant upgrades

[zinc agate]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.

Why would you use ambush on sepsis proc and not from stealth? The difference isn't clear to me

(yeah I know NF is terrible)

[spice spire]

You don’t use either

Wait what

[zinc agate]

That's from a bot command

[strange python]

so the sylv daggers arent good or they just arent simming correctly right now?

[spice spire]

Was that a change?

[zinc agate]

_ _

[balmy condor]

It’s a little outdated we don’t use it on sepsis proc either, but we used to use it on sepsis proc

[spice spire]

Iirc it’s always just been blindside procs only

Okay

[zinc agate]

Gotcha thanks

[spice spire]

I was thinking I was lit, ty whisp

[balmy condor]

Basically it’s about when you’re casting ambush

[scenic osprey]

use it on shadowmend

[strange python]

are sylv daggers simming correctly? are they just not good?

[balmy condor]

We call it thresholding, where certain things have more value than others

In your opener, you want the cp more than the damage

At the end of sepsis, the ambush damage was better

[novel arrow]

Hi guys. Do we know how obedience works? It says it increases versatility by 1 %. Do we think it's 1% per flag?

[heavy coral]

Any thoughts on Obedience getting nerf? Like isnt it too strong?

[balmy condor]

They aren’t implemented in sims at all

[balmy condor]

1% per stack, just like haste

[spice spire]

It either will or it won’t. It’s out of line with other legendaries, but Doomblade was as well, and now it’s obsolete, compared to obedience . So it’s there for now

[novel arrow]

Was there an obedience nerf? @heavy coral

@balmy condor So it persists after the ability ends like haste?

[balmy condor]

Just like the haste

Literally identical

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor Thanks ❤️

[silver yacht]

sorry guys can you explain the poison bug ?

[balmy condor]

Things aren’t applying deadly poison, and that’s not good

[spice spire]

Deadly poison not applying on all abilities as they’re supposed to - it’s a 100-200 dps diff st iirc

[silver yacht]

if you apply deadly you get an istant tic or something ?

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor Always see you responding here to really common questions. You're much appreciated. Pls keep it up. Hugs.

[balmy condor]

You get damage for reapplications yes

Read the tooltip

[balmy condor]

[silver yacht]

oh true mb

and this is live

or only sims ?

[spice spire]

Live

[frosty cedar]

😮

[silver yacht]

ah shit

[agile geode]

is torghast locked to layer 9?

[silver yacht]

yes

[spice spire]

Sims also reflect it atm until fixed to be realistic

[heavy coral]

No no, just wondering if its not too strong

[balmy condor]

The entire discord has been melting down over obedience

We just don’t know

[agile geode]

you've answered to me?

[silver yacht]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[agile geode]

thanks

[spice spire]

It’s locked to 9 this week 😛

[velvet wraith]

Its certainly felt that way, the sims don't lie but I think people are panicing over swapping

[agile geode]

so 170 soul cinders this week

sorry but i havnt any others ppl to ask

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dapper solar]

no?

i have over that

[spice spire]

Can’t you get cinders in the wild?

[steep obsidian]

you get like 900 and something the first one for the 1/8

the repeatable is 170 aye

[balmy condor]

I thought cinders are torg 9 only

[steep obsidian]

oh ash

sorry

im dumb

[spice spire]

I’m not sure haven’t touched the patch yet

[steep obsidian]

its too early

[dapper solar]

i have 220 soul cinders rn and i think someone in my guild has 280

[steep obsidian]

i have 170 rn yar

[balmy condor]

I have 170 as well

Idk how you have more

[spice spire]

Built different I guess

[dapper solar]

do the maw assault thing for an extra 50 not the NF one

[agile geode]

hoping to be competitive with assa/necro and not to be overwhelmed by sub venthyrs

[spice spire]

Truly ethical sin player

[agile geode]

y i think is just for the american / european server

[loud light]

torg layer 9, and the biweekly assault, and also the 'tormentors of torghast' event which is like wrath of the jailer

I think that's all the cinders sources

[scenic osprey]

u get soul cinder from torgast assault and what ?

[spice spire]

Right above you 😛

[scenic osprey]

biweely is every two weeks?

[balmy condor]

Twice a week in this case

Biweekly can mean either

[loud light]

it means both! english is great

[balmy condor]

Because english is the worst

[scenic osprey]

lol

[agile geode]

its just because i like necrolord and necrolord fit perfect for assa and outlaw but not for sub

i like sub

but i would prefer to not be forced to swap for being competitive

[loud light]

should reset halfway through the week like the lesser invasion/assault things during nyalotha patch

[spice spire]

I too am a Necrolord enjoyer

[loud light]

or I guess like the beast warrens hunts

[spice spire]

Dream going to be dead for me soon

Back to

[scenic osprey]

there were so many occasions i would have died if not for fleshcraft LOL

[grim hornet]

just saw pins

kirian ahead of necro in st now?

[spice spire]

Barely but yeah

[grim hornet]

do we know if this is also true for cleave?

[potent chasm]

d

[viscid spear]

[hybrid cosmos]

hey guys, the 239 hc dagger sims higher then the 246 sylv dagger for me, are they bad or just poorly implemented? i didnt see any nerfs and/or changes to them

[loud light]

simc currently does not add any damage for the sylv proc

(it also didn't do anything on ptr prior to 9.1 launch)

[hybrid cosmos]

ok, that basically means we cant sim the daggers right now

[spice spire]

They’re not in sims rn

[hybrid cosmos]

kk thx guys

[reef axle]

…….. so venthyr then? That st dmg ain’t a minor boost over necro…

[spice spire]

Sure

Obedience is stronk

Could be nerfed but so far so good

[sonic schooner]

dont nerf obedience 😠

[reef axle]

Yeah if it’s nerfed, staying necro will be the go to

[sonic schooner]

buff doomblade

[spice spire]

I’m neutral on obedience truly an ethical gamer

[reef axle]

But I cannot ignore a 7% boost over necro…like jeez….

[sonic schooner]

true for pure ST like dummies for exemple, true true very true

[spice spire]

Obedience also good for cleave and other stuff

Obedience is just good overall

[reef axle]

Actually thinking will beat the necro cleave now lol, well maybe… having seen sims for multi target

[steel bane]

What changed to bump Venthry DPS even higher?

[craggy oak]

Leggo

[spice spire]

Obedience

Lol

[steel bane]

no no, it's higher now

obedience was higher like yesterday but not for this much

[reef axle]

Stupid leggo

[azure bronze]

Full sockets

[spice spire]

^

Cev why are you awake

[steel bane]

kk ty

[azure bronze]

And some other things I think

[spice spire]

Wait it’s not that late

[limber lion]

First day of camping and I come back to massive Obedience stonks

[slow marsh]

Cev how did you get the static order of debuffs on your nameplate profile

[spice spire]

Omw back to venthyr

[limber lion]

Yeh like 1:45am only

[teal bloom]

[limber lion]

It's a mod pretty sure

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

pog found it

[trail anvil]

doomblade is still crit haste for raid?

[plain thistle]

@limber lion changed to venthyr 40 minutes ago and I already miss sbs

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Absolutely nothing, I just simmed more soulbinds and optimized the gear

That’s it

[teal bloom]

Casual 400 dps st increase

[balmy condor]

I thought a changelog would be enough

And yet people still can’t fucking read

God damnit man

[fathom wind]

quick question guys have u lot noticed that in torgast with the new torments do u find urself coming out of shealth all the time

[thorny pond]

New here?

[alpine latch]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[fathom wind]

found that with stam going up and down kept knocking me out of shealth

[alpine latch]

Thank you for putting all of the work into this @balmy condor. Sorry most of us are dumb.

[reef axle]

Something I didn’t see in those logs, 2 target cleave and whatnot, does venth pull ahead of it 🤔?

[thorny pond]

Palmer can read?

[spice spire]

What soulbind do you run?

[alpine latch]

At a 6th grade level, yeah

[slow marsh]

i'm soryr

[spice spire]

If it’s ahead in ST and DS, probably will for cleave still

[alpine latch]

It's literally in the spreadsheet on the first tab...

[balmy condor]

Like I get not looking at the pins

That’s cool

Sure

[slow marsh]

That being said after I saw new numbers the first hting that I did was go to the spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

I get not hitting the link

That’s also cool

Fine

[slow marsh]

Can i have cookie now

[balmy condor]

You don’t want to dig deeper

But then people are like OH I OPEN THE PIN

I SEE THE GRAPH

I REMEMBER THE NUMBER IS DIFFERENT IN THIS WAY

[thorny pond]

CONTEXT!!!!

[balmy condor]

And then don’t bother reading the thing

2 cm above the graph

Like bruh

What

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

It’s right there

[alpine latch]

You won't be missed. You were never a true Necrolord.

[balmy condor]

No clicking or anything required

Just opening eyes

And moving them left to right a little

[alpine latch]

I'll probably wait until after at least one balance patch to figure out if I'm swapping or not

I have everything to 25+, so I can grind it out to 40 quickly

[reef axle]

Not gonna switch till leggos is out, could be a nerf before we get a chance to use it

[alpine latch]

I'm waiting for balance patch specifically for stuff like that, yeah.

I can use SBS well and I'm an idiot so learning new buttons/priorities takes me a minute

[thorny pond]

You all also probably bought all the TP

[odd hazel]

look at those necro boys now

BOOOOYYYS

[thorny pond]

And it never ran out

[odd hazel]

#BugsFeelBad

[thorny pond]

Play the game

Have fun

Quit being pessimistic

[spice spire]

Necrolord in shambles rn

[thorny pond]

Read the fucking pins

[spice spire]

It’s me, really

[alpine latch]

It's not pessimistic to say, "I want to see the balance patch before I even consider swapping". What are you on about?

[odd hazel]

like, i want to be sub but i dont want to switch then it instantly gets nerfed a week later

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine latch]

I'm not a fan of Sub at all

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-master-chef-idiot-sandwich-gif-14751310

[alpine latch]

So as long as Sin is competitive, I'll play that

[thorny pond]

@balmy condor to every donkey in chat

[odd hazel]

i mean its fair that people want to be careful

and not waste their time

[spice spire]

Toxic spree over, king?

[alpine latch]

It's ironic, because he's telling people to enjoy the game, then he's shitting on people for saying that they're going to wait and not overreact

[balmy condor]

Waiting is fine

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I don't know what Sando was going off about

[reef axle]

Knock over the quest so you can instantly switch regardless

[alpine latch]

It's like he argued against his own point

[slow marsh]

I mean waiting would probs be recommended at this point if you have them all capped. Nothing is happening this week

[alpine latch]

The lowest covenant I got is like 25 or 26. I can swap any time I want really. I'm in a one-day guild right now and we'll probably finish 4/5 bosses down in Mythic. Not being optimal for one week isn't the end of the world for me.

[spice spire]

He goes off sometimes, you learn to appreciate people for who they are. And beach is legitimately swell. I like to meme the toxicity though

[vital heath]

Zoldyck's secondary stats?

[slow marsh]

That being said there's no way blizzard is looking at these sims and making nerf decisions based on end of tier projections

[spice spire]

Ooooooooo that’s a good question. Haste crit generally, but since Zoldyck’s is primarily for M+ you could do crit/mast

Crit haste isn’t bad tho

[slow marsh]

hate verse

haste

[alpine latch]

Haste/Vers is great if you're doing PvP also

[spice spire]

Oh no the OG response

[slow marsh]

can't really go wrong with any of the above

[vital heath]

for M+

[spice spire]

Crit/Haste is the universal “good call” for our leggos

[reef axle]

You think this is toxic? Check out the Druid discord 😂

[slow marsh]

just go mastery vers and be that guy

[weary loom]

i do need an offspec for raid (swap from olaw crit/vers) should i get Sin or sub ?

got 13% haste with 2x daggers

[spice spire]

Especially on aoe, you want cirt for sure

[odd hazel]

sin is probably the "safe" pick of those two

[spice spire]

Sin is pretty safe

Sub does sim better ST though

Also depends on covenant you want to go

[weary loom]

i'm running Necrolord, mainly M+ but my raid team doesnt need a outlaw

"low Single" (being top 5 rofl)

[reef axle]

Meh, too much movement for sub to prog with, I feel sin would be better for prog 🤔

[odd hazel]

you should of seen my raid team hanged

i was the top with the next person doing almost 2k less then me

[weary loom]

i got first on Denath ST dmg and got benched...

[weary loom]

Omg

Phial + Dreadfire for sin, got those and skulkers

[odd hazel]

i never got to get into mythic though

still got to 222, just wish i got a few mythic items

[strange python]

The feral Druid discord is actually so damn toxic

Every time I said anything I’d get light flamed

[spice spire]

Necro favors sin as well 😛

[weary loom]

just gotta learn, have no idea how play sin 😛

[spice spire]

But yeah this class discord is pretty chill by comparison

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[spice spire]

It’s pretty simple

[weary loom]

everything its better than outlaw rot

[spice spire]

But if you have any specific question, always ask! 🙂

That’s true :p

[weary loom]

should i burst on CD? (Thats how we do as olaw on ST)

[odd hazel]

we dont speak of that ob--- i mean, the item which shall not be named

[odd hazel]

what do you mean?

[weary loom]

i do use ADrenaline rush on CD, but i saw sin has more "Burst" Skills

[spice spire]

You will want to press vend/vanish on CD

Unless a mechanic coming up ofc