assassination

[sacred flax]

whats the renown cap this week?

some say 42 some say 43...

[balmy condor]

42

People who say 43 can’t read quest rewards properly

[sacred flax]

thx

[ornate gazelle]

42 renown and 3/9 chapters, correct?

[echo crystal]

so 43 if I have dyslexia?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ornate gazelle]

Thanks @balmy condor 😗

Other than that, just do torghast and farm rares in Korthia huh?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[ornate gazelle]

Cool beans

[dense cedar]

egg collecting mmo

[balmy condor]

The coolest beans

Freezer drawer beans

[dense cedar]

daily lockout on the eggs

[balmy condor]

Depends on whether or not it survives tuning

Right now? You would probably just craft obedience

[dense cedar]

I don't even have Doomblade lmao

[placid violet]

Hey. Im gonna start maining my rogue again after a long break,
Is Assassination viable?
Is there any good guides for what Covenant to choose? Will play both Dungeons & Raids!

[thorny willow]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[tulip nacelle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[daring imp]

Their a easy way to get a higher ilvl lashing scar conduit besides h sire? or is that really the only easy way each week

[tulip nacelle]

sire or venari things, not sure if they work anymore

[red bloom]

if I swap venthyr next week, does that leave me a week behind or can I reach next weeks renown cap as well?

[tulip nacelle]

you can always catch up if you haven't the done the non catchup renown gains yet

[fathom flax]

What’s the pros / cons of venthyr, if I’m looking at playing outlaw for m+ and whichever is best for raid

What’s the pros / cons of venthyr vs necro*

I should say

[marsh raven]

How does sin compare to the other specs in raid & dungeons?

[fathom flax]

I’m still just going of whispyr post from the 20th that sun/outlaw is necro

Probably maybe potentially

Depends on the wind speed / direction and position of the moon at the time

[tulip nacelle]

venthyr is good at st

necro is good on 2+ targets

[fathom flax]

That’s what I thought, thank you

I think necro sin will be pretty good in PvP too

[tulip nacelle]

yea

[fathom flax]

In fact I think that’ll be so popular you’ll see people playing kyrian sub to counter it

[tulip nacelle]

purely pvp players maybe most sub players will be venthyr

[fathom flax]

The kyrian lego is pretty good for pvp

After the crit lego nerf gun

Thank you

[odd hazel]

well, seems the biggest thing in torghast is spending time empowered

[craggy oak]

farming rares why, what we get from them?

[odd hazel]

would sub be better for fast clears or should i just go outlaw for that? think sin is good for "Speed" runs?

[ornate gazelle]

@craggy oak Rep with the new dude

[lunar otter]

wait so doomblade or the new obediance?

[odd hazel]

if it stays like it is

obediance is the go to week 3

[lunar otter]

so just keep doom on my hand then >?

[odd hazel]

yeah thats fine tbh

unless yo uget new hands i guess

then make it on cloak if you really want to but you dont have to

[craggy oak]

tyty

follow up question, waht we get from the new dude

[odd hazel]

new dude?

[craggy oak]

the new guy in the maw?

[craggy oak]

whatever this is referring to

[ornate gazelle]

The archivist

[halcyon blade]

The new factions, deaths advance and the arcs

[ornate gazelle]

with tiers of research as rep

[craggy oak]

ye what we get from rep with him

[ornate gazelle]

sockets, 239 domination piece

[craggy oak]

vool

cool

[velvet nacelle]

i wonder if deathly shadows > gear swap on prepull will be a thing

could be fun

[azure bronze]

They have not fixed it so maybe for sub it will be

[velvet nacelle]

silly for sure

i just want fun things

do the sylvanas daggers stacks increase chance too or just damage?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[robust stream]

!guide

[velvet nacelle]

obedience is such a boring legendary

versatility is a boring stat

i'm not saying it isn't good

it's just boring and uninspiring

[odd hazel]

i mean it feels better then any other leggo we have

[velvet nacelle]

crit = see bigger numbers sometimes! haste just gives better "feel", especially to casters, mastery is kind of a mixed bag depending on spec, but it's interesting

vers is just meh but too good to ignore

i dunno, i like legendaries that change things more

i guess the CDR on it is nice

but things having an impact on rotation is neat to me, i don't like things that are just passively good

[odd hazel]

yeah because any of our leggos "change:" things

[velvet nacelle]

there's a few that have rotational impact, but they aren't good

so they aren't used

actually now that i look, it's really just tiny toxic blade

[north basin]

Cdr is the thing

It will change ur rotation

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i caught myself on that one

[swift sigil]

Sorry I’ve asked this before but lost it! When do I flag on my opener?

[velvet nacelle]

right before you're gonna burst a bunch of cp

[final star]

Before rupture

[odd hazel]

Mut - SnD - Mut - Garrote - ven - flag - rupture ( i believe )

[velvet nacelle]

i might be playing it wrong but sometimes i insert a mut after the garrote depending onw here i am on CP

but yeah, then flag > rupture > mut to env

[final star]

Depends if you are DS or Vigor

And if you get a 2CP mut you're the unluckiest man alive

😭

[velvet nacelle]

i am very unlucky

but my crit is garbage right now, just like 25%

never really got to optimize last tier since i quit so early

@final star i can guarantee 2 cp muts though: i just have to be in a shiv window

[quartz willow]

yo i havent been here for a while boys is venthyr still viable or do i have to change to necro for assa/outlaw

[bleak phoenix]

If i wanna go back to venth at mythic release (its at 40 renown and quest is completed) how long will it take for me to get 40-48? I assume the improved catchup system works till 40 only.

[odd hazel]

if you are playing sin/outlaw its recommended to go necro (For just sin or sub, venth is GREAT as well as if you play both ). Otherwise you are fine if you arent worried about the difference

[final sky]

cut to the chase has a new symbol i think

[undone eagle]

What ilvl do you guys think is easy to clear 15+ ?

240~ ?

[subtle tundra]

if you've been doing 19-20+, your current ilvl

[full tide]

!bis

[odd hazel]

#SimYoSelf

[echo crystal]

So I have to rejoin venthyr at some point, but I forgot how it goes when rejoining. I know theres a quest this week, and then next week where I have t ofill the meter. What Im unsure of is, if I take the first quest this week, and I gonna be without covenant, or do you not lose your current covenant until the 2. quest?

[odd hazel]

you wont be with out a convenant

ever

until you turn in the second

[echo crystal]

awesome, thanks!

[odd hazel]

thats fine

[turbid harbor]

yep, covenant change happens as soon as you hand in the 2nd quest without a warning prompt box

[echo crystal]

okay, so I can start filling the bar without being afraid, thats nice to know

[compact sinew]

Question lads: I'm 40 renown venth, 31 renown necro. I've prepped the quest to switch back to venthyr from necro, but should I just go back to venthyr now and catchup with necro later on? Planning to play assa/outlaw, but if I need venthyr at 48 asap to get the new lego recipe, idk what the best route forward is

[odd hazel]

i would just stay necro then

if you plan to play sin/outlaw

sin/sub for venth

[echo crystal]

just feels bad to stay necro with how extremely strong obedience seems

[odd hazel]

i mean

necro is still top M+ currently

[compact sinew]

yeah, m+ gearing will be the name of the game so makes sense to be necro for the time being

[odd hazel]

but

[velvet nacelle]

i mean you're grasping at straws here in the end, it's not a huge difference

[odd hazel]

obedience isnt to far behind it

[compact sinew]

just hope renown catchup isn't too aids from 40 onwards

[odd hazel]

BUT

realistically guys

[velvet nacelle]

i'm probably staying venthyr despite going outlaw for M+

[odd hazel]

everything besides NF

[potent chasm]

I recently changed from venthyr to necro, because I liked the playstyle with sbs, especially not being that much behind in ST, now with obedience that strong I really dont know what to do... any other necros here with the same struggle?

[odd hazel]

is pretty much 2-5% between each other

play any of them

[velvet nacelle]

exactly @odd hazel

[echo crystal]

2-5% is a ton

[odd hazel]

nah

if you arent world first racing it literally doesn t matter

[velvet nacelle]

your gameplay and comp are PERFECT now? because it's probably safe to say that most players have more than a 10% swing just on misclicks and imperfect rotations

[echo crystal]

Im racing to make my mom proud though

[velvet nacelle]

and i don't even think it's 2-5%

it's like 2-500 dps

[odd hazel]

^that

your gameplay

will reward you more then any cov will

if you suck at your rotation/etc

magically being venth will not fix that

[velvet nacelle]

sims are a good benchmark/rough idea but don't live your life by them

[echo crystal]

I mean I have 97 average mythic logs this season without a single PI. So I must press some correct buttons

[velvet nacelle]

like sub will probably sim higher than assassination early this tier (it is now)

but sub gets punished a lot more for boss downtime for mechanics/etc.

[odd hazel]

tbh its just nice knowing all 3 are doing well

[velvet nacelle]

if you go by sims, you'd be sub, but it's not optimal for every fight

100% agree krey

[odd hazel]

i want to paly sin/sub so i'll prob play sin prog and gradually go towards sub when its on farm.

unless it gets nuked

then i can just stay sin

[echo crystal]

heroic patch gonna be interesting

[odd hazel]

wouldnt it be funny if

outlaw just gets NUKED

for no reason

and they buff obedience

[echo crystal]

outlaw can now only roll grand melee

[velvet nacelle]

@odd hazel i'm too min/max-y in my brain to not go outlaw for most weeks in m+, depending on comp

when i run with a mage and boomie i just stay on single target though

[odd hazel]

i just dont enjoy outlaw, i know its better but with the nerf of the necro leggo. its a meh difference

[limber lion]

I personally see better results with sin than Outlaw because I'm much more comfortable with it.

I consistently do 8k+ in a dungeon, depending on which dungeon it is of course.

[odd hazel]

i think im just better at managing the Bleeds then rapidly pressing buttons

[velvet nacelle]

i kinda like outlaw now and then, but it's like windwalker to me: it's fun for a dungeon or two then it gets too repetitive

[limber lion]

But the comfort of your spec goes a long way

[odd hazel]

hey cev

[limber lion]

Sup

[odd hazel]

curious question about torgh

[velvet nacelle]

@limber lion i had to finish KSM last week since i quit so early and i was barely pulling 5k with assassination so good job heh

we also were pulling cautiously so as not to f the keys

[odd hazel]

do you think sin will do well enough to grab a perfect clear of torgh once we have the whole tree unlocked?

[limber lion]

Definitely

[odd hazel]

trying to keep the empowerment up by my self is oof.

[limber lion]

Sin is already really good for speed-clearing and killing the bosses there

Once we slap a few talents on top, it'll be a swift run

Gotta kill more stuff nowadays

[vast forum]

A few talents and some gear

[odd hazel]

i do like theres a upgrade that gives it 25% longer

[velvet nacelle]

i'm kinda sad a tthe torghast changes, i hate torghast and the only thing that it had going for it was that i couldf skip most of it heh

[limber lion]

But that's not a problem

[odd hazel]

222, i just need to stop pulling cautiously.

[odd hazel]

i mean

you can still skip

you just wont get the vault

[velvet nacelle]

yeah but you can't skip to climb

eventually i'll be skipping again

[brazen rampart]

do we only get two renown per week now or did i miss something?

[topaz echo]

if i get 2 renown on necro-bois and then switch to venthyr, will i be able to loot 2 renown somewhere as well?

[odd hazel]

No

[rigid pine]

[velvet nacelle]

well it depends

if your renown comes from the weekly activities (ie. collecting anima) then no, you can't repeat that

but if it's catch up stuff (like spamming dungeons) then yes

[topaz echo]

thanks! i guess there's no catch up stuff for renown 40+ yet

[velvet nacelle]

the way the catch up worked before (i switched way too many times) was that it would get you up to the previous weeks total

so i imagine catchup renown stops at 40 now and you can get this weeks to finish at 42 or 43 or whatever it is this week

there was a surprising amount of content today and an unsurprising lack of desire to do it from me

[echo crystal]

how long to complete the content today?

[velvet nacelle]

they gave us like 4 chapters of korthia or whatever it's called

each chapter felt like a normal campaign chapter

[echo crystal]

damn

[topaz echo]

so theoretically i'll be able to catch up next week to 42 and do next set of weeklies to be up to date with everyone else

[velvet nacelle]

PLUS i believe there was a covenant chapter today too but i didn't do it

[austere gorge]

what else the best way to farm renown ?

[velvet nacelle]

mythic dungeons, battlegrounds and lfr all seemed to have good drop rates before

[velvet nacelle]

heroic dungeons were obviously faster but the drop rate seemed a LOT lower

@echo crystal i like to imagine you keep that in your clipboard 24/7 for the off chance that it comes up

[echo crystal]

you would be 100% correct, just waiting to be useful!

[velvet nacelle]

thank you for letting me keep that illusion in my head 🙂

[winged basin]

Hey least you won’t be playing double catchup the 6th when you cov swap to a level 40 cov

Don’t know how I am gonna catchup but fuck it

[austere gorge]

Mythic 0 is ok to farm renown ?

[velvet nacelle]

yeah but you might as well do 14+s

might still get a decent 226 next week

fill up that great vault

[austere gorge]

cool. then 252 on weekly chest

[velvet nacelle]

will next weeks chest be on the new values? i thought not

[neon cloak]

Ya

[velvet nacelle]

oh damn so def need to do some dungos this week

[teal bloom]

No you don't get season2 ilevel loot from vault by doing season 1 dungeons

[velvet nacelle]

ok thank god, i really want to do the bare minimum this week

[austere gorge]

so no point to run M14+ thjis week for vault right ?

[regal ledge]

Coming back for 9.1 currently NF do I swap and what to

[austere gorge]

better after next week reset ?

[cunning granite]

offtopic Tazavesh is open today?

[echo crystal]

venthyr

[regal ledge]

epic

[echo crystal]

they got the best transmogs, so thats hype

[regal ledge]

Not on a panda

[echo crystal]

I think that goes for most mogs

[velvet nacelle]

deja vu is the perfect name for that question today 🙂

[hazy flame]

we have no further info on sylvanas dagger right?

[final ferry]

I saw some websites telling that sub will hit harder than assassination for single target, why ppl say that? It seems not true to me

[teal bloom]

@austere gorge i guess unless you want 226 items for extra item level or something

[velvet nacelle]

sub and sin are always competing for top single target damage

on a true patchwerk, sub is usually ahead of sin

in the real world you can't tunnel the boss 100% of the time

and sub takes a much bigger penalty to downtime

[hazy flame]

sub looses a lot with less uptime

[velvet nacelle]

usually the people who think sub will be better when they're as close as they are right now are people who swear ONLY by sims

[odd hazel]

you can get 226 conduit upgrades from the random chests you find

[hazy flame]

just dont play mechanics

[fallen arch]

Ok I was just outdpsed by the new fotm rogue spec for m+

[south belfry]

git gud

[fallen arch]

All they have to do is spam black powder apparently

[velvet nacelle]

... yeah?

[south belfry]

Yeah welcome to sub m+

[final star]

#assassination message

This should explain downtime a bit better for you

and why you are wrong

[neat tartan]

Sub getting nerf, Ob leggo getting nerf. Next week

[south belfry]

Ok boomer

[velvet nacelle]

@final star no one said that assassination isn't penalized for downtime

but sub dps is essentially 0 during downtime

assassination is non zero

[final star]

read the link.

[velvet nacelle]

saying that sub gets hit harder is absolutely true

i did

[final star]

Yes, we do slightly more damage while away from bosses as long as our DoTs still tick. But we also have to refresh them when we get back, which offsets the slightly higher damage we have during the downtime with slightly lower DPS as we get back. Both Outlaw and Sub immediately go back to dealing their full damage the moment they can get back into melee

You seem to have ignored this part then

[velvet nacelle]

no, you seem to be inferring that i'm saying that assassination isn't penalized when all i'm saying is that sub is penalized MORE

[final star]

and you'd be wrong

but okay

[trim dirge]

It's certainly not much bigger like you said

[final star]

It is literally the ideal that because the dots are still ticking I'm losing less, which is literally half of the full idea

your dots may be ticking but you spend the next 4-6 globals recovering from downtime

[odd hazel]

do you all plan to go with the endurance or finesse conduit for nadja?

[velvet nacelle]

sub still has to re-apply snd and rupture as well

depending on the downtime, we might not even need to reapply snd

[final star]

two globals

compared to 6

[velvet nacelle]

so we're ignoring builders for the sake of convenience to your argument?

[final star]

you are using mut

twice

[velvet nacelle]

and sub is using shadowstrike twice

[final star]

Yes

If not more

[velvet nacelle]

per finisher, that's a wash

[final star]

you also forget that SS is not equivalent to a mut

[velvet nacelle]

how about this: i'll say that "in my own experience, when I play sub, I lose more dps because of mechanics than i do as assassination and i have the logs to show it"

maybe i'm just bad at sub then

but my sub sim dps was quite a bit higher than my assassination sim dps for most of shadowlands yet assassination (post 9.0.5) was decimating my sub numbers

and my raid was NOT getting better at the fights

our kill times stayed garbage the whole time

[neat tartan]

Shadowstep>Garrote>SND>Mut>Mut>Rupture>Mut>Mut>Evas

[kind quiver]

I went from being the worst dps at the beginning of CN to being one of the top DPS in the guild. Some people won’t humble themselves and admit they suck. I just admitted i sucked and asked for help.

[velvet nacelle]

oh i'm only pointing that out so that it's clear it wasn't a variable

[final star]

you may just be better at assassination

[velvet nacelle]

i knew what i was getting into with this guild, it's always hard to line up playing with friends and positive progression at my age

[gleaming fable]

I mean you can just sim with movement. It's pretty clear sub losses more from downtime although people do blow it out of proportion sometimes lol

[velvet nacelle]

i'm 100% willing to admit that i was being hyperbolic and made it worse than it sounded, but it's definitely more than the 0.2% difference i'm seeing on the current sims between top sub and top assassination

er.. made it sound worse than it was

wow i said that backwards af

[neat tartan]

Shadowstep>No SD>Backstab>Backstab>Backstab>Bbbbaaaccckkkstaaabbb

[velvet nacelle]

also @kind quiver congrats on the improvement

was definitely... an experience, being in a guild that could never 2 phase shriekwing but somehow got 6/10

[kind quiver]

Thank you, I try to improve and listen to people better than me. I still got a long way to go. I’m still in the blue, sometimes purple parsing area. I want to be purple all the time this tier lol

[fervent rune]

Wasn’t sub towards the top of dps sims at start of 9.0 and ended up being one of the worst with no nerfs?

[velvet nacelle]

every single time i was convinced we weren't gonna be able to make a dps check, we'd finish the boss

@fervent rune assassination got buffed and i think people just liked assassination more

from what i could tell, sim-wise, they were pretty even and sub was even slightly ahead

[spice spire]

Incorrect - one of the legendaries was bugged which is why it was at the top. Technically a “nerf” but yeah not really

[velvet nacelle]

which legendary was bugged?

[fervent rune]

Ahh gotcha

[spice spire]

You’ll get there papi, always strive for improvement and you’ll get there

[fervent rune]

I just remember switching to sub for the start of 9.0 and was outlaw within 3 weeks

[spice spire]

Also akaari’s iirc

[velvet nacelle]

outlaw was p good for a lot of nath

hmmm wasn't there a new covenant chapter this week too?

yeah i'm seeing 9/10 but i don't have a breadcrumb

[hazy flame]

covenant is next week

[velvet nacelle]

wait, 10 was old wasn't it?

[shell ivy]

https://i.imgur.com/tdcvc3H.png do u ever get bis daggers last week of a patch

[ornate lake]

Trinket as well. Dang

[spice spire]

Those aren’t 233 daggers

Still unlucky

And probably me

[shell ivy]

thats my second ever 226 weapon

first being a mace for outlaw

[spice spire]

Haven’t even pulled one yet, just got the second 220 last eeek

224 btw

[shell ivy]

and i played all weeks

[spice spire]

Damn. Maybe the vault will be blessed this week

Even trinket is nice

[shell ivy]

pls 😭

[velvet nacelle]

odd, i definitely finished the venthyr campaign but it says 9/10

[opaque karma]

No u didn't then

[velvet nacelle]

oh i definitely did the scenario, only done it once: on this character

sounds like a problem for after sleep me, later all

[shy quartz]

So if i were to craft one legendary for overall content, would it be Zoldyck or Dashing Scoundrel?

[neat reef]

you can do chapter 10?

[austere gorge]

does torghast drop rrenown too ?

[copper pollen]

@shy quartz zoldyck

[spice spire]

Holy’ up chief. Couple questions. Are you venthyr?

[shy quartz]

Sorry, yes!

[spice spire]

B. For ST preference is usually Doomblade not dashing

Then obedience also on the table

[shy quartz]

Yeah obedience seems best overall, but we cant get that

[spice spire]

Ahhh for rn

Zoldyck’s

[copper pollen]

In 2 weeks

So can save

Up to you

[spice spire]

Well you can infinite spam for dust 😛

[shy quartz]

My rogue has no legendary rn, so i need one 😛

[worn geyser]

Based on the discussions yday, are we still in panic mode about obedience nerf?

[spice spire]

So no point in “saving”

[copper pollen]

Yeah defo make a zoldyck then

[spice spire]

No, if you don’t think it’s OP, you’ve nothing to worry about

[echo geyser]

were u guys able to send soul ash from alts?

[shy quartz]

nope, think you need 45 ren or so

[spice spire]

Also that’s a very loose term for discussion 😛

[echo geyser]

ah damn

[worn geyser]

discussion, throwing poop at each other, argument, complete state of panic, a lot of terms could define it

[spice spire]

There we go

I personally prefer fiesta, but that works

[trail locust]

@limber lion how is make open on ataak boss.and 5 enemies

[copper pollen]

Looking at the chat during work with the fiesta was very entertaining

[keen flint]

crit > haste > vers > mastery ?

[spice spire]

Swap the first two for ST

[keen flint]

alright

i'll play my assa in raid btw

[spice spire]

For aoe Crit > Mastery > Haste > vers iirc

[keen flint]

k

[spice spire]

As a general rule, stat prios shift, sim yourself, blah blah blah

You all know the vibes

[keen flint]

yy

But

I saw a lot of peoples

That have like 38% crit

For raiding

[odd hazel]

Yes

[umbral rapids]

lol

[copper pollen]

With obedience, think there is gonna be safe stays for both sub and sin or just gonna be better off making 2?

[neat reef]

legendarys for single target are doomblade and obedience when that becomes available right?

[copper pollen]

Yes

[spice spire]

Crit’s good for both. You could possibly go like crit vers? I really don’t know actually

[spice spire]

Correct

[hollow river]

If you want obe for both specs you go crit vers

[copper pollen]

@spice spire yeah it's what I'm thinking, I don't think the one piece with no haste should hurt too much and hopefully scale with how obedient works itself

@hollow river cool I thought so

[hollow river]

When using flag on sin haste loses value a tiny bit

[viscid marten]

what happened with obedience?

[hollow river]

So you’re fine

[hollow river]

Nothing?

[copper pollen]

Yeah I had that when swimming middle of 9.0.5, even though crit was my highest stat still said was my best

Simming, on phone sorry

[limber lion]

Same dude, same.

[hollow river]

O.o

[spice spire]

All good chief, crit does move up a peg if you’re venthyr as we learned later on. So it very well could have been top stat!

[jovial forge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[minor thicket]

do we stil make doomblade on cloak?

[rustic thunder]

should we wait to renown 40 before starting the chains of domination campaign?

[neat reef]

yea

[plucky sluice]

uff...the conduit with shield - is buggy? what should i do with a shield when i go invisible? the shield i need when i go into fight?!

[gleaming fable]

Don't think it matters. I started before 40 and managed to get 42 by the end of the day. Maybe make sure to finish the weekly renown quests for when you hit 40

[lost sentinel]

is venthyr still the pick for sin? Just wondering if I should save up my anima for a potential switch

[minor thicket]

i started at 34 and now im maxed renown

[shadow helm]

hello guys why is shadowgrasp totem on top 2 on bloodmallet

[hollow river]

Because iqd got nerfed and totem scales with haste and one other secondary stat.

Also not all the trinkets are implemented yet. The new ones are still to come.

[indigo ginkgo]

m i late ?

Kyrian
Forgelite Prime Mikanikos
Fixed an issue where Bron's Call to Action Bron's Call to Action was unintentionally stacking too quickly.

[dusky vault]

what command do we add to sims for execute?

[minor thicket]

hey guys I just crafted doomblade on my cloak and never got a socket

wasnt i supposed too?

[keen swallow]

No

Only specific slots get the socket

I think blizzard specified what slots receive sockets

[half moat]

Only gear that CAN be socketed will create sockets on the leggos

[terse talon]

like RING

and ring #2

[thorny pond]

Helm neck bracers belt rings

[odd hazel]

are we only able to get to 42 this week?

[tight ginkgo]

Correct

[odd hazel]

sad, thought it was 3

[terse talon]

Dont stress! Enjoy the moment! 😄

[tight ginkgo]

Next week it appears the covenant quest continues, which I think rewards renown. So next week we get 3.

[odd hazel]

just weird they took away the one from souls

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah not sure I understand that. Guess they just wanted different pacing of progression.

Granted, I’d rather get one from the boatloads of anima you accrue in Korthia than from gathering souls, given the choice

[small bramble]

if i did the campaign last night and got renown if i switch to venthyr now i miss out right?

[honest needle]

if i plan on doin outlaw m+ and assasination raid is necro still best ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, but you should be able to get that 1 from a random drop for doing other stuff

[gusty mirage]

Yep

[pliant flare]

did the lego slot to change to cloak or was i stupid

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, because of the domination sockets. But you don’t have. To rush to craft it until you get a domination socketed item in that slot

[odd hazel]

how far are we able to go into the korthia questline?

[gusty mirage]

Chapter 3

[odd hazel]

R.i.p no vaults of secret for me then

did everything new so far.

[gusty mirage]

Congrats you beat the patch until raid drops

[odd hazel]

[pliant flare]

back to m+

[odd hazel]

all i need is valor tbh

yeah--- sounds like the plan, go ahead and cap out valor again and GG

[manic merlin]

!Guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[spice spire]

Wait why

It resets next week

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

somethign to do

dont want to waste it if they are reseting

[spice spire]

You can get mats or gold too

And that’s fair

Gotta push keys so you can get a Deece one next week

[merry mountain]

tfw sims tell me to run sin on Kyrian /w doomblade 🙃

[silver fog]

whoa, cloaked in shadows conduit feels really bad now in open world use

[maiden raven]

Something about i should make my Doomblade legy on cloak=?

[gusty mirage]

^

[odd hazel]

woo, got the rank 4 i needed for layer 10

torghast feels so much nicer now

[spice spire]

Have you not run torghast in a while?

[odd hazel]

i have.

why?

[merry mountain]

is obedience simming correctly on Top Gear? I can't even find it listing in the simmed loadouts:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vReNTM31n7G2rfs59kPoZp

[odd hazel]

you cant get it yet

[merry mountain]

I know i can't get it yet... but I assume I can sim it.

[dapper solar]

works for me

[spice spire]

Feels so much nicer, it has for a bit. BUT I cannot speak for new torghast yet

[spice spire]

Might be because you’re Kyrian?

And obedience is a venthyr only

Not 100% though

[merry mountain]

if i sim the soulbinds it doesn't assume I'm that covenant when simming?

maybe not for the leggos... huh

[spice spire]

I’d think so? Because there’s no logical world where you’re mikanikos running obedience

[dapper solar]

sim the soulbind and the lego at the same time

but it should appear anyway

[merry mountain]

it looks like I'll have to change the covenant line in my simc input and just run two sets of sims

[spice spire]

Yeah, unlucky 😦

[radiant fossil]

can this trinket work as a bleed for doomblade ?

[hollow river]

You never know but I doubt it.

That’s not our class’ ability it’s a trinket so

[radiant fossil]

Oh yeah i see

[pale fossil]

That'd be cool if it does, but I'm not sure how you'd test it.

[steel bane]

envenom something with the bleed and without the bleed and compare the damage

[hollow river]

Do you even sim, bro?
Be a lot cooler if you did.

[merry mountain]

changing the covenant line to venthyr didn't do anything in my sims btw

I'll figure it out later 🤷‍♀️

[sand sigil]

i tested this in raid testing at 239 ilv

[safe sluice]

is it renown 42 or 43 this week

[sand sigil]

it was shit actually no lie

[pale fossil]

LOL rip

[sand sigil]

like 1.8% damage

[proper halo]

43

[jagged yoke]

is renown 48 next week

[spice spire]

45 iirc

[jagged yoke]

any idea how many weeks till 48?

[dawn ivy]

yeah the bleed trinket is worthless

[steel bane]

mythic week

[spice spire]

Ye

[dawn ivy]

do we really know that

because we are only at 42 this week

[sand sigil]

yeah i was worried abt it too

[safe sluice]

42 or 43?..whut?.

[sand sigil]

but literally everyone reassure me we can

[dawn ivy]

42

we arent getting obedience until week 4

[hollow river]

Just go to Top Gear and pick venthyr and “unlock all soulbinds” and make sure you pick your soul binds and conduits.

[dawn ivy]

week 2 of mythic

[sand sigil]

42 this week, 44 next week from weeklies, then campaign to 45, 47 mythic morning, then campaign to 48

nah banned everyone says it works like this^

[dawn ivy]

god i hope so

[sand sigil]

would be so troll if it worked like that tho where u didn't get cov till 2nd week

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/chains-of-domination-content-unlock-schedule-what-unlocks-each-week-in-patch-9-1-323099

[sand sigil]

think abt all the op classes that'd be shit like boomy lol

[spice spire]

Apparently it’s 43 this week? Either that or guide is scuffed

[hollow river]

Guide is scuffed

On PTR it was 3 from week 1

[dawn ivy]

yeah the guide says 43 but we are only 42

[hollow river]

On live that doesn’t seem to be the case.

[dawn ivy]

maybe we are going to get a renown form the next biweekly quest?

or maybe we are going to get a daily today

[spice spire]

Excellent - do love scuffed guides 🙂

[pale fossil]

Which quests are the biweekly ones?

[hollow river]

No idea

[spice spire]

Assaults, right?

[dawn ivy]

yeah

covenant assaults

[pale fossil]

Ah ic ic

[spice spire]

Maybe they’re doing a weird one that goes 42 - 45 - 48? Then two per? That’s sort of what they did in 9.0

[bleak valve]

The convenat assault giving another renown is a solid idea. I wouldnt be surprised if thats the case

[spice spire]

Just backwards

[jagged yoke]

any idea what stats to craft on doomblade

[spice spire]

More than likely it’s just going to be crit+haste

[thin gate]

hey guys i got a question, i just tried to keybind CTRL + Q on a Key (like i had that be4) and WoW wont let me anymore does anyone know what the reason is for that?

like the Game wont recognize the Keybind Combination CTRL + Q it will let me use CTRL + R or any other but wont work on CTRL + Q

[copper sundial]

weird i use ctrol + q and it works

[red plaza]

do you have an external program like NVIDIA Geforce, or OBS, or Overwolf or something using that key bind?

[thin gate]

ima check on that @red plaza ty.

nothing running atm except of discord and WoW :/

[gusty mirage]

Yes. Why are you opening with ambush anyway?

[sick scarab]

!plater

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sick scarab]

anyione using plater ?

i am looking for a good profile 🙂

[pale fossil]

I use Plater, let me see if I can get my profile.

Ah, server's offline still and I don't have a copy, but I'll DM you once they're back up.

[sick scarab]

tnx tnx

[neon cloak]

Mee tooooh plz @pale fossil

[pale fossil]

Sure thing

@neon cloak @sick scarab I use @limber lion's: https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[neon cloak]

🙏

[pale fossil]

I took the combo points off mine because it was a little busy for me personally.

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

[pale fossil]

Big fan

[strange python]

25 cents per download plz

[viscid spear]

That's a summer deal

[undone eagle]

Guys 80% of my addons are out of date and when i update them its still not fixed, any clue? D:

[sick cairn]

i noticed we barely got any changes

[viscid spear]

Depends on the addons

[undone eagle]

@viscid spear

[viscid spear]

Hmm, if you updated them like you said but they're showing that then they're either not fixed to work with 9.1 yet or the author hasn't released a 9.1 version yet

[odd hazel]

I think I’m gonna hold off on sub, wait a week or two to see how they are

Pool gear for it then Gg

[bitter canyon]

!soulbinds

Hmm

Anyone have suggestions for the 2nd potency conduit we unlock for m+?

[pliant flare]

can some1 explain or link me to a think about what

[bitter canyon]

Guessing the fan one but just want confirmation

[pliant flare]

domination sockets are

[undone eagle]

is this a bug or they just updated m+ system?

since i still got from season 1

it should say 1895 rio for me

[red plaza]

They implemented the blizzard system

This week

[undone eagle]

so next week season 2 for m+ beings right?

begins*

[red plaza]

Yep, so everyone is at 0 next week (assumed)

[iron orchid]

it also counts 33% of the value of the keys you timed on fortified/tyrannical depending on what your highest key is

[undone eagle]

aight so I guess they gonna save this new system as RIO score for season 1

so people dont get confused with the new system

when they look back at season 1 on the website

[red plaza]

Yep, on the armory it shows the blizzard score now. So I guess it’s to help groups in season 2 see how people performed in season 1

[undone eagle]

ok nice 😄

ty

[thin gate]

guys i got a question, theres these new "corruptions" or whatever. The things u can insert in ur cape that u obtain in Sanctum

id like to craft myself the Venthyr Legendary. should i go for cape or helmet then?
i mean will it be possible to insert those into a legendary cape ?

[teal bloom]

Corruptions? There's no domination sockets on cloak if that's what you mean

[plush gust]

If I already have a doomblade shoulders, should I make the cloak? heard that was the best slot

[ruby birch]

craft it on the cloak

you want other spots open for domination sockets

[plush gust]

Shoulders gets domination socket?

[ruby birch]

yes

[plush gust]

Ait, cheers!

[subtle gyro]

Can someone explain why that is? Cloak having no slot, being BiS. Wouldn't you want a leggo with a socket? Perhaps ive missed something

[ruby birch]

i think the shoulders are actually also off last 2 bosses

[ruby birch]

you cant put a dom socket on a legendary

you have these off KT

[red plaza]

Also doesn’t matter what ilvl the piece is, the socket will always have the same stats

[keen swallow]

Did blizzard increase the amount of soul ash we can get now?

[ruby birch]

yes

[undone eagle]

is it next week they let us play season 2 m+?

[keen swallow]

Is it already in or have we gotta wait till week 2?

[ruby birch]

its in right now

[plush gust]

Does the legendary need to be max rank to be upgraded further?

[red plaza]

Yes it’s about 970 for a layer 9 run and it’s infinitely farmable

[keen swallow]

Sweet. Haven’t made doomblade yet as I thought we could send soul ash to Alts in week 1

[ruby birch]

July 6

[subtle gyro]

thats what i mean. Why is the cloak BiS with no socket as opposed to one that can

[lone wren]

Yep we can get our doomblade on cloak to rank 4 in a little over an hour

[ruby birch]

You can't put a domination socket on a legendary

[red plaza]

Because Astrak sockets and domination sockets are two different things

[balmy condor]

Morning boys

[red plaza]

Legendaries can have a socket in the right slot, but they can never have a domination socket

[ruby birch]

[red plaza]

[ruby birch]

im about to sleep soon

[balmy condor]

There are no domination sockets on cloaks

[odd hazel]

I feel like the same thing has just been said 3 times

[iron orchid]

wdym, it's 5pm

[balmy condor]

It’s 8 am

[odd hazel]

It’s 11am here

[minor sphinx]

Where can i send my soul ashe ?
to an other char

[balmy condor]

Is that a thing?

I didn’t know you could do that

[past spade]

what looks to be better? doomblade or venthyr?

[balmy condor]

Right now obedience

[red plaza]

It’s the dude inside torghast

[long furnace]

guys do you get 2x renown now each level of the campaign? or its for low levels only plizz tell me

[red plaza]

The one you get the quest for the box

[balmy condor]

The cap is 42 this week, one from the weekly quest in korthia to fill the bar, and one from the 1000 anima weekly

Anything else is catchup

[strange python]

can we open GV already?

[balmy condor]

If it’s back, you can

[strange python]

that's what I was asking lol 😄

[cerulean nest]

when we say "right now, obediance", at what point will we have a more concrete idea? next week?

[nimble tinsel]

When it's actually available to test, probably.

[long furnace]

I meant catchup renown I am renown 16 and i get 2x renown per chapter is it permament?

or it will go down to 1 ?

[nimble tinsel]

I don't know that the catchup mechanics have been that thoroughly tested yet, but it seems to be significant enough to just not worry about min/maxing it

[balmy condor]

Who knows

Idk how the slowing works anymore

Blizzard seems to have about tripled renown gains

[sharp panther]

im not 100% sure but i was def still getting 2 per chapter below 30 renown

[long furnace]

thanks ❤️

[sharp panther]

np, im doing another chapter now above 30 so ill report back

[viscid spear]

Servers back up?

[balmy condor]

They didn’t go down did they?

[viscid spear]

They were down for me like 30 minutes ago

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

Maintenance for an hour

[balmy condor]

Unannounced unscheduled maint

Giga monka

[spice spire]

They’re patching the vault back in

Obvi

[balmy condor]

Yes of course

Everyone go get your 226 your replacing in a week

[spice spire]

Bold of you to think I’ll get a dagger that’s 226 before the end of 9.1

[jagged yoke]

is condensed anima sphere any good? seems bad

[spice spire]

But also more for the key to set up ngl

[balmy condor]

It’s trash

[spice spire]

Ye

[jagged yoke]

yeh cant see how it could be better than recuperator

[balmy condor]

Well recuperator is also trash

It’s just slightly less trash

[jagged yoke]

whats the best endurance?

[balmy condor]

The reduction cost in vial is a dps increase technically

So would be that one

[steep spear]

they fixed the fall damage bug fark me

[viscid spear]

Was there a bug? Because I was taking stupid damage from jumping around, lol

[strange silo]

So as necrolord i still want to craft doomblade if i dont have a leggo right?

[steep spear]

yeah lol

its all good now though

[obsidian ruin]

why is blizzard making us raid hc without obedience

[grim jay]

bcs it doesnt even matter in hc content

[solid venture]

Cus else they'll nerf it for mythic week

[obsidian ruin]

and then wed. on reset we have to grab 3 renown instead of raiding smh

[obsidian ruin]

wait.. u re right

[red plaza]

we stealthing into mythic week lol

[delicate bone]

so i dont think you can get it by mythic week

since were just getting 2 renown a week

[red plaza]

we're getting 3 next week

for sure

[delicate bone]

confirmed?

[solid venture]

We get 3 renown the following 2 weeks so yes u can

[delicate bone]

i was just expecting 3 this week and it ended up being 2

so ill be glad to hear we get 3 going forward

[red plaza]

korthia weekly, 1000 anima weekly, and campaign quest at 44 renown

[delicate bone]

ah okay, thats makes sense

sweet

[solid venture]

I'm staying necro tho revert deathspike nerf

[delicate bone]

i swapped venth but i have both necro and kyrian at 40 if needed

[thorny pond]

Revert to monke

[half tartan]

On Eye of the Jailer, do you guys think that if shadowstep takes you to the center of the boss we'll be able to jump over the spinning beam by shadowstepping?

[delicate bone]

just shadowstep to a player

[thorny pond]

Maybe. Door of shadows and cloak work

[delicate bone]

that is safe

or that ^

[radiant fossil]

yes @half tartan i did it many times on ptr

[astral plover]

Is there like a guide on what to upgrade in box of many things?

[solid venture]

Autoloot is bis

[thorny pond]

Min max torghast?

[red plaza]

Have fun with it, its Torghast

but yeah autoloot bis for sure

[balmy condor]

You’ll end up upgrading them all anyway just pick what looks fun to you

[astral plover]

Ty

[fervent rune]

Currently necro and want to push CE this tier. I don’t really care about m+ too much just getting 15s done for loot. Should I switch to venth? Or is it not that far ahead

[delicate bone]

yes

[thorny pond]

I’d get the quest ready for turn in

Worst case scenario you wasted some time farming

[pliant nest]

if you get it ready for turn in, will it disappear on weekly reset?

[delicate bone]

swapping this week to venth would be ideal, renown catchup is pretty nuts in 9.1

[thorny pond]

No

[pliant nest]

ah ok thats good

[grim jay]

getting quest ready to turn in and suddenly pre-mythic tuning kicks in an NF will be the best covenant

[thorny pond]

This

Fucking sepsis

Would fit my MO of being Uber toxic

[fervent rune]

And we are waiting for the covenant legendary to craft correct?

[spice spire]

This tracks

[thorny pond]

Yep

[spice spire]

You’re just RPing as your class papi

[balmy condor]

What if we log in next week and all 4 covenants are actually damage losses and we have to remake neutral characters

[delicate bone]

yea, doomblade is good too

since you can farm an infinite amount of soul ash

[spice spire]

Huge

[thorny pond]

I’d come to your house and eat all your hichew for putting this evil on me

[balmy condor]

One way to stop worrying about covenants

Is to simply ascend past their use

Reject covenants

Farm herbs in panda land

[arctic hare]

That’d be interesting to do, just go completely covenantless

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strangelove-peter-sellers-stanley-kubrick-sellers-kubrick-gif-21668432

[arctic hare]

An entire raid with absolutely no covenants

[thorny pond]

Sounds like BfA

I’m out

[long furnace]

I want to be and obedient boi so I farm hard

[arctic hare]

Hahah, good point

[jagged yoke]

would crimson tempest be better for single target with doomblade?

[fleet anchor]

Mawsworn Covenant coming

[weary marten]

how much of you guys left necro for venthyr already ?

[thorny pond]

Basically a wash but you keep it up outside of shiv

[balmy condor]

helya soulbind

[safe barn]

Obedience doesnt look that op

[arctic hare]

I would totally join that covenant if there were a mawsworn

[thorny pond]

And Megan Fox wasn’t hot in transformers

[safe barn]

The difference between the 1st and the 2nd sim is not that high

[solid venture]

Megan fox covenant

[fleet anchor]

plz no, Helya one of the most annoying badguys ever

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-jail-go-to-horny-jail-bonk-doge-cheems-gif-17582752

[solid venture]

B O N Q U E

[thorny pond]

You mean you weren’t crush Koji?

[balmy condor]

Good boss though

[arctic hare]

I barely remember what happened during that boss fight

[thorny pond]

Did she lose her patience with you?

[balmy condor]

Constantly

[grim topaz]

so we're still changing doomblade leggo to cloak spot aye?

[thorny pond]

Not immediately

Once you get a dom socket that forces you to

Or get obedience

[south hollow]

u can get shoulders from kel'thuzard

[thorny pond]

Indeed

[grim topaz]

well, figured I might aswell change as soon as I can

[south hollow]

so it helps

[fleet anchor]

I feel like a lot of the bosses have patience issues

[thorny pond]

Save your resources

[safe barn]

How many classes became venthyr this tier?

[fleet anchor]

I wouldn't do the leggo crafting this week, prices seem inflated with people recrafting so much

[grim jay]

I mean, if it makes you feel better you might aswell craft it right away. not like there are any precious resources involved

[fleet anchor]

Really no reason to atm

[strange python]

Warrior

[red plaza]

Boomkin

[weary marten]

some druids ?

[strange python]

Frost mage perhaps

Oh ye druids

[thorny pond]

Time isn’t precious to you?

[balmy condor]

The true story of warcraft is patience and forgiveness

Patience for a new patch

[safe barn]

Maybe venthyr is the new nightfae

[balmy condor]

Forgiveness that it’s bad

[strange python]

No

[spice spire]

The true patch are the friends you made along the way

[strange python]

Thats kyrian

[spice spire]

Mika is balanced

[strange python]

[red plaza]

didn't they fix bron?

[thorny pond]

Wrong

[balmy condor]

Outlaw rogue in shambles

[thorny pond]

Bout time

[viscid spear]

It's not about the World, it's about the War you Craft along the way

[strange python]

Bron seemed like a hot fix for certain shit

[spice spire]

Truly unlucky that we can’t enjoy such a balanced covenant

[strange python]

Like every tick of breath of sindragosa counting

Every missile counting

[grim jay]

I do have enough soulash anyways, aside from multiple chars that can just run through torghast fast. same for many others. aside from that he has to set the value of his own time for himself tho 😄

[safe barn]

More classes are kyrian than venthyr?

[strange python]

Idk maybe

Ik hunters are going kyrian

Dk’s

Umm

[grim jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/best-covenants-for-all-classes-in-raid-and-mythic-for-patch-9-1-shadowlands-best-323108

[slender berry]

arcane mages

[grim jay]

just take a look there

[astral plover]

We all going bback to venthyr now! LETS START A REVELUTION

[viscid spear]

Rogues are Venthyr and Necrolord and that's all that matters here.

[grim jay]

majority is kyrian and fae

[spice spire]

DK needs to spread more anti-Kyrian propaganda

[fleet anchor]

I feel like I have to restrain myself from making a sarcastic remark about this comment. 🤣

[grim jay]

just let it all out

[strange python]

Hotfix/nerf whatever

[fleet anchor]

Don't worry, Bron will get another 2-3 hotfixes. It's a daily 9.1 tradition at this point.

[strange python]

Perhaps

But i think every arcane missile counting towards the spell count is a bit of a kekw tho

Also unholy dk mastery working on him

Bron without these weird quirks seems fair, the part about mikanikos that is weird is soulglow spectrometer

[slender berry]

didnt the guy have a cd tho so it doesnt get overly stupid?

[grim jay]

well arcane mage wouldnt care too much about mika nerfs to be fair. they still would have pelagos pretty close, unlike others iirc 😄

[grim jay]

iirc the cd is the duration now 😄

[gritty mist]

yo, with shards of domination its worth having 1 piece thats zoldyck and not having 5 pieces of domination?

[grim jay]

and you get stacks again after it ends or something

[slender berry]

leg slots doesnt have shard of domination anyways

thats where you put zoldyck

[gritty mist]

k im blind

thx

[strange python]

Soulglow Spectrometer should just get the treatment the pelagos capstone got in beta

Where instead of giving versatility it gave magic resist

[safe barn]

Dk is hanging out a lot more here

Are you switching sides?

[strange python]

Sub always dead

[safe barn]

[strange python]

Push playing the game

[gusty mirage]

You mean where they fucked up the coding and for like 4 months it increased the amount of magic damage you take instead of reducing it?

[strange python]

No no

On beta it was a dps increase xd

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the vers buff

Right?

[strange python]

They changed it to magic resist because every single class was going kyrian

Yep vers buff

Was broken

[gusty mirage]

And then they fucked it up

High quality QA from blizzard this expac. Mucho impressed

[strange python]

👌

[analog oak]

crit/haste still the go on moving doomblade to back?

[gusty mirage]

Probably yeah, you can sim it in top gear to make sure though

[analog oak]

will do ty

[zenith trellis]

doomblade or obedience tho..

[heavy roost]

obedience

however you can't craft until renown 48 I believe

so if you're pushing content early you may just want to craft another doomblade.. I personally may wait

inb4 pins

[viscid spear]

Can't learn Obedience until 48

[odd hazel]

@strange python is that recent ?

Or is that SL beta

[safe barn]

Why would u recraft something if you dont have a dom socket yet

Ppl are impatient

[strange python]

Was sl beta

[heavy roost]

you're not going to be able to for a month is why

[analog oak]

had no idea it was changing

[odd hazel]

Tbh I’ll only recraft if I get a decent pair of shoulders

[analog oak]

also isnt Obedience only better if youre venthyr?

[odd hazel]

It’s an only venth leggo

???

[analog oak]

oops just noticed that. sorry coming back still figuring it all out

[odd hazel]

Oh my apologies then

[analog oak]

currently necrolord swapped from outlaw to assn for raid. debating the switch

[odd hazel]

Yes though, it’s the reason sub is doing super good right now basically@

With obedience sin top ST and very close To necro on M+ with it

sin is top ST any way with doom

[deft rampart]

Are the pins still up to date or are we waiting on more sims?

[analog oak]

and going venthyr gets me out of that crap necrolord leather set haha

[deft rampart]

That shit is mad ugly

[odd hazel]

They are up to date with what we have

[analog oak]

so with obedience do you still use ma or zold for M+

[odd hazel]

Obedience is the leggo, you can’t use another

[analog oak]

yeah i get that but i know some people swap them out

[sweet timber]

Anyone know why i cant see the cov venthyr trainer in oribos?

[weary marten]

questline stopped at a point where npc disappear

end your quest

they'll come back

[fervent rune]

What gear slot will obedience be crafted on?

[odd hazel]

Cloak

[thorn crater]

Back I think

[fervent rune]

Ty

[lusty bane]

Man if only Zold could be crafted on back then it’d make it so easy to swap between ST and M+

[odd hazel]

You don’t use zold on M+

In those sims obedience beats it

[lusty bane]

I’m still necro so for now it’d be doom and zold. Considering the swap to venth as I have no interest in outlaw

[vestal wren]

dp bug is a ~150 dps loss from what i saw

[odd hazel]

DP bug?

[sand sigil]

what's dp fuu

[slender berry]

double pen i mean deadly poison

[vestal wren]

deathly poison

somone found out that deathly poison doesen't proc on everything expected so koji did investigate

and thats now in simc

[woeful glade]

So should we be theoretically assuming 150+ on every sin sim?

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

i stated updating my spreadsheet today (its still incomplete tho)

[woeful glade]

Hot ❤️

Ty for all ur work ❤️

[odd hazel]

So zold is still better ?

[ebon merlin]

Any way kevins oozeling buff is op for sin?

[astral plover]

if im gonna go Sin in m+ and PVE and im CE player would u just go Venthyr? @balmy condor

[vestal wren]

i can make a direct comparison in a bit

between dp bug/no bug

[grim jay]

only deathly poison or instant poison on sub aswell?

[vestal wren]

its only deathly poison, no other poison

[frozen jasper]

whats bugged about it ?

[weary marten]

i'm in front of Draven with second quest done, should i go venthyr ?

[balmy condor]

yeh probably

[balmy condor]

it's not applying from a bunch of stuff

I have to resim everything anyway now that all the soulbinds are in

well except korayn

but who cares about korayn

[nimble tartan]

ty for your service

[iron orchid]

I used to love him man

[balmy condor]

used to

[vestal wren]

night fae is rly in the gutter

[spice spire]

Night fae down cataclysmic

[kind talon]

There’s 3 covenants right guys?

Heirmir Mikanikos and Nadjia?

[vestal wren]

2

[kind talon]

Oh

[vestal wren]

kyrian and venthyr :p

[kind talon]

😦

[vestal wren]

you have 3 soulbinds per covenant

if thats what you ask for

[kind talon]

Ya I was memeing

Kekw

[vestal wren]

oh, thats fine too ^^

the night fae legendary is worth to be memed

[kind talon]

Necro is dead?

[cerulean nest]

I guess there's no point to holding off switching to venth anymore if I'm thinking sin + sub for all PVE huh

[vestal wren]

necro is still suprisingly good

[kind talon]

Wait

[vestal wren]

its just that venthyr is atm due to obedieience a very dominant choice

[kind talon]

Wtf happened with obedience??

Did they fix the versatility?

What changed since initial ptr

[balmy condor]

the vers persists now

[umbral rapids]

[kind talon]

Sick

[dry copper]

that's all pure ST though, and i gather raid has quite a bit of adds?

[umbral rapids]

man i swear i've heard both "raid is full st" and "raid is full adds" 15 times each

[kind talon]

@dry copper

[iron orchid]

Not that much actually

and it's also relevant in Dungeon Slice

so why not

[kind talon]

^^^

[iron orchid]

I mean, raid is not "full ST" but most multi-target situations can and will be handled by other specs way more efficiently anyways

[vestal wren]

the sim didn't give full duration on versa. once fixed it became a 10% dps increase legendary and hence the dominant choice for sub/sin

[iron orchid]

and we already have a good 2-target with venthyr

[kind talon]

Shit

@balmy condor remember when I said obedience would be sick

And u said “nah it’s bad”

[vestal wren]

its rly good, we hope it remains this way but cant be sure

[umbral rapids]

"we"? 👀

[woeful glade]

if they change it

would we expect the change by mythic week?

[kind talon]

Who knows

Blizzard works in mysterious ways

[vestal wren]

if they change it its idealy just to the number it was before and would mean its a good but not the ultimative best choice

[umbral rapids]

🔮 <- they know

[kind talon]

Maybe they nerf it after w1st race uses it kekw

[umbral rapids]

oh of course

[dry copper]

i didn't say that, and i also swap to outlaw for bosses that are closer to dslice anyway

[kind talon]

Is the numbing poison shiv change Poggers or doggers?

Huge raid util???

[vestal wren]

its always like this, every patch comes with some bugs/unexpectedly good/bad items and you don't know what will end up strong

[kind talon]

Massive cd???

[umbral rapids]

i don't like the idea of a covenant legendary being ultimative best choice personally