assassination

[viscid spear]

Waiting on heroic queue to see if that gives more too

[velvet nacelle]

wouldn't surprise me if there was an aggressive catch up til like 30-35

[umbral rapids]

please let me know

[teal grove]

So should we wait on crafting leggo or go obedience now?

[umbral rapids]

you don't have obedience

[echo geyser]

New sims are in guys i have secret op build

[umbral rapids]

until in 2 weeks...

[teal grove]

true

[viscid spear]

Won't have Obedience until what, Mythic week?

[umbral rapids]

ye

[chrome widget]

Yup

[echo geyser]

lets get maw rattle nerfed

[gusty mirage]

BiS

Craft it vers mastery for even more curse

[echo geyser]

[shrewd ether]

What is the slot to Legendary? 😮

[west cove]

is rog saved?

[viscid spear]

I have a distaste for Fury Warriors

[balmy condor]

everyone sims higher wtf

[hollow talon]

which one do i go for that triple choice row

the middle or the potency

o nvm

dauntless right

[balmy condor]

ye

[hollow talon]

alright got it

now i just need 16 more renown before raid

[viscid spear]

Finished a SoA, only got 1 Renown

[umbral rapids]

[sick cairn]

super nervous why i see no socket?

[spice spire]

Cloaks don’t get asocket

[balmy condor]

[sick cairn]

i thought they did

[spice spire]

You only get sockets on gear that get sockets

[sick cairn]

whoops

[spice spire]

No

[sick cairn]

XD

bonk me

[spice spire]

That’s too lewd

[sick cairn]

[hollow talon]

wait the cloak is already on AH?

or was that there before 9.1

[spice spire]

Wat

That’s a rank 4 haha

[sick cairn]

our guild has a guild bank full of rank 4s for anyone

[hollow talon]

like the white item

[spice spire]

235 is r4. 5 and 6 are the new ones 🙂

I see what you mean now, but no the r4s have been in there

[winged basin]

outside of doing the 3 campaign chapters, is there anything significant we need to get right now?

[hollow talon]

ooh ic

[spice spire]

Huge

[winged basin]

feel like I did my cov shit and now im done for the day lmao

[spice spire]

Torghast and soul embers as available

Did you do the story quest for korthia?

[winged basin]

yeah finished it earlier

waiting for 44 renown

[spice spire]

Then yeah, assault if you haven’t and torghast if you haven’t

Then chillin’

[winged basin]

bet thank you

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire wanna do my 9.1 stuff while I’m still at work?

[spice spire]

Twinsies oxi

I’m on hour 14 rn 🙂

[hollow talon]

isnt it better to wait to make the venthyr leggo

or are u not venthyr

[gusty mirage]

I’m on hour 12 myself

[spice spire]

You can make both as well! Person above said their guild had hella r4s

[hollow talon]

i see

and the soul ass is easy to get now right

repeatable?

[spice spire]

Should be rn

[viscid spear]

You recruiting?

[chrome widget]

How much can I actually skip after you do the Korthia intro on main.

Like on my alts I mean. I guess I should ask has anyone done it on multiple toons yet

[grim jay]

some people said you get a good amount of renown through the korthia quests. not sure if troll or serious, but if it was serious you might wanna do it if they arent renown capped already

[chrome widget]

Interesting

[ebon patio]

Can someone confirm?

[golden briar]

In that case makes more sense to do the korthia quests on an alt? Then skip it for your main?

[balmy condor]

you only get renown if you're not at 40

I'm at 40, didn't see any

[winged basin]

does venth get triple potency next week?

[viscid spear]

I'm 27 Renown, should I just do the Korthia quests?

[winged basin]

trying to figure out how far behind in progression of renown I will be next week cause I am swapping venth and my renown is at 40

[placid adder]

i just got to 41 was the 1000 anima quesst the only one?

[idle shard]

shit idk if I should re roll venthyr lol

[hollow talon]

i got 1 renown from the very first intro korthia quest

[balmy condor]

NEXT WEEK

BOI WE CHILLLLLLLLIN

[nimble tinsel]

From the early reports I've heard, if you are sub 40 renown the catchup is pretty massive. People getting like 2-3 renown per world boss/raid boss/M+ completed on top of the other normal sources like callings, weekly quests, possibly the new Korthia quests, etc

[strange python]

can I get max renown in HC ID when swap back to venthyr (40)?

[placid adder]

so 41 is most right now?

[balmy condor]

nah

you can go 42 I think

[placid adder]

maybe i screwed myself? i only got reown from the 1000 anima quest

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

the 20 maw souls doesn't give

so 41 it is

[placid adder]

ok guess its spread out over the week

[nimble tinsel]

I thought 42 was possible once you finished all of the Korthia stuff?

Or maybe you have to do the 2nd mini assault this week to get it or something

[balmy condor]

unsure

74% of the way into my annoying bar

will report back

[viscid spear]

Another 1 Renown from Necrotic Wake
Must've increased the droprate and not the drop amount for dungeons

[warm parcel]

you get 2 this week

2 or 3 next

(thd is already 42)

[halcyon zealot]

everyone havin fun and im over here runnin around revendreath lookin for rares/chests to finish prove ur worth >.>

[hollow talon]

i only got one renown for my korthia intro

have i been hoodwinked

[halcyon zealot]

bamboozled maybe

[brittle garnet]

You only get renown up to 40 from that quest line it seems

[hollow talon]

im at 17

bout to go raid with 2 conduits

[west cove]

wait so we dont get obedience since it is 2renown per week?

[hollow talon]

3rd weej

week

i think

[soft fable]

What stats do I put on doomblade?

[hollow talon]

crit haste

[severe sparrow]

fuck now i feel like i regret going necro instead of venth

[hollow talon]

97% sure about that

[soft fable]

ty

[hollow talon]

nah itll be PUMPIN onc eu get it

[balmy condor]

having fun

[halcyon zealot]

ofc! lol

[hollow talon]

btw what is my opener with flag?

[severe sparrow]

i mean yeah, i was nf before so

[hollow talon]

in raid

with MA

[grim jay]

queue for normal sd and hoa

[strange python]

whats stat prio for sin?

[halcyon zealot]

mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut env mut env

can drop the 2nd mut before garrote if ya want

[hollow talon]

gotcha ty

so almost the same

but just throw flag in before rupt

[halcyon zealot]

ya just make sure u always try to flag before a finisher

[hollow talon]

cool

[halcyon zealot]

so ur instantly at 9/10 stacks, instead of 5 if u use it after finishing

[hollow talon]

and i can use it off cd right for most fights

[hollow talon]

do u mean stacks for the haste part of it?

[halcyon zealot]

while ur getting used to it yeah id reccomend using it on CD, later on you can try to sync uses with vendetta if ur confident you wont lose a cast because of it

yeah

[viscid spear]

Does Torghast provide catchup Renown or no?

[hollow talon]

gotcha

i guess that just depends on fight length and stuff

will need to do the maths

[severe sparrow]

ive heard it does but i never get any from it

[hollow talon]

[west cove]

ash catchup is scam it seems

[sly laurel]

vend mut shiv vanish env mut env

[viscid spear]

Have you tried today?

[severe sparrow]

nope, last week. just logging in for the patch now.

[sly laurel]

what is importans is u have points vanish into env not vanish into mut \

[halcyon zealot]

vanishing a 5 into a env mut or vanishing at 0-1 into a mut env, is quite literally almost 0 difference

[sly laurel]

no

with MA

[halcyon zealot]

ok 🙂

[sly laurel]

3 sec

3 globals

env crit mut crit give 4 env crit

[hollow talon]

ok i finished all the korthia intros and only got 2 renown

ive been absolutely hoodwinked

[rapid flame]

Vanish into poisoned knife

[sly laurel]

@halcyon zealot so the way u are saying it u only get crit on 1 env and ofc in the end what ever u see better u do ❤️

[true pelican]

there's literally no difference

[halcyon zealot]

not me seeing anything better, i spend a lot of time lurking this chat and this was a major topic earlier in the espansion

its even on the RH opener guide as the way i stated

[true pelican]

you get more cps with mut/env/mut

overall it works out to no difference

[balmy condor]

not true

[sly laurel]

XD

[ebon tundra]

What am I missing with getting vers/crit on obedience instead of haste/crit? obviously ill sim it for my own char but its a piece that wont get changed often so would haste/crit be better?

[balmy condor]

people are playing sub with it

[grim jay]

but we always envenom at 4 cp with DS 😦

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

[echo geyser]

[sly laurel]

well what i used to do is mut snd mut gar flag rap mut shiv vend vanish env mut env

[ebon tundra]

@balmy condor Makes sence but wowhead assass guide says vers crit also 😂

[grim jay]

you will basically envenom with 4 or less cp on your second envenom there, which you dont do with the standard talent build

[balmy condor]

maybe a copy paste or something, shouldn't matter too much

[ebon tundra]

sound, cheers bud

[tropic ocean]

but what if mut dont crit

[balmy condor]

yeah what davyn said, I mean you're not technically wrong, it's just not really the best either

[sly laurel]

if u havr the right stats it should i mean it has a high prob

[balmy condor]

even with 100% you'd be at 4

[sly laurel]

idk thats how i got good logs

idk

yes

[grim jay]

it doesnt matter, it at max gives you 4 CP and you dont envenom at 4 cp with DS

[balmy condor]

you don't finish on 4 with DS

[grim jay]

you will always mut again at 4 or less cp

[sly laurel]

????

what is ds

[balmy condor]

deeper

[grim jay]

stratagem

[sly laurel]

im talking no deeper

[balmy condor]

the pick for single target

[sly laurel]

im talking without deeper and blind

[grim jay]

you will rarely play MA without DS as standard

[tropic ocean]

if in your opener your mut doesnt crit your result will be the same as rozay stated

[young nacelle]

people really out here using finishers with 4 cp using ds? 😭

[sly laurel]

i dont play blind deeper

[cerulean nest]

anyone made the venth switch today since patch dropped?

[sly laurel]

the opener i said is for EP vigor

[halcyon zealot]

+1

[grim jay]

most people play DS if they use MA, so it is kinda missleading if you tell people the opener is xy without that information

[sly laurel]

imagine using env on 4 cp when u playing deeper ROFL

[grim jay]

but without deeper its alright. if you get to 4 cp with your mut you can/should do that

it doesnt make or break your dps tho

[viscid spear]

It's just a Horde slaughter by Winter Queen in Ardenweald

[vocal stone]

yo rogues still should go Necro?

[viscid spear]

[vocal stone]

ty

[sly laurel]

idk bro all im saying is with EP vigor the best opener is the one i mentioned but in the end its all situational and not just memorising that why people are better than others 😄

[viscid spear]

So any info on whether Torghast gives Renown?

[oak sky]

I was gonna craft obedience with crit/haste anyway but i feel like doing it with crit vers so its better for offspec would be fine since the raid has so much crit haste gear

Thoughts?

[echo geyser]

are u gonna play sub /outlaw?

im going with crit vers anyways

vers isnt too bad for sin anyways

[oak sky]

I plan on at least playing around with them

[echo geyser]

actually now that i think about it

[oak sky]

I just think ill end up with enough haste anyway

[echo geyser]

venthyr wants less haste anyways lol

maybe some green name can confirm but i think i heard that

i am sub main so i dont know too much about sin

[oak sky]

Ill just go crit vers and sims will probably favor pieces with more haste

Should be fine

[lone wren]

I did. Since I have not been venthyr before I instantly joined and right away picked up the quest for necrolord.

So I'm covered either way.

[mortal pike]

is the new giga dungeon out 😮

[balmy condor]

no

[mortal pike]

:c

whats the point of gamin this week

tragic

[balmy condor]

the story and renown

[mortal pike]

just a lil 192 ilvl rogue gamer over here trying to game before raid hits

[soft shale]

you need to do korthia a lot

[grim jay]

then you can obviously clear normal cn raid, hc raid and m+ a bit

[fleet anchor]

Experience the lag 😄

[soft shale]

it takes a while from what i've been tol

[fleet anchor]

Soak it in

[soft shale]

hahaha im about to live a draenor patch day when server comes up

dont reming me koji

[mortal pike]

Yea the lag is rouuugh

[soft shale]

i at least changed to war mode before patch

so that is a bit less lag

[grim jay]

eu servers stronk, never had much lag

even on release

[cerulean nest]

so if i get to 42/43 renown on necro, then switch to venth, can i still get renown

[soft shale]

oh boi davyn you have not been in draenor

[grim jay]

I have

actually

😄

[soft shale]

oh then that is come copium

remember we had 2 weeks where we had 7 hour ques and it was still laggy anyway

[grim jay]

actually cant remember it being that bad

[slim jay]

is there no boa soul ash available yet?

[opaque stream]

do you craft doomblade on a cloak?

[slim siren]

is doomblade venth still best this patch

[copper ginkgo]

guys does someone have a macro that cast ambush instead of multilate when the talent blindside procs?

[drifting cloud]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[copper ginkgo]

oh thanks

[compact pumice]

Recommended is to just bind ambush to a key instead tho, just fyi

[sinful flicker]

hey, if i do a 15 THIS WEEK, what key lvl would i get next week?

[balmy condor]

maybe a 10?

no one really knows for sure

ilvl's will be capped from keys next week

so no point doing anything higher than a 6 or 8 or whatever it is

[drifting cloud]

other than the 10 15s? 😛

[spice spire]

getting ksm week one though

[drifting cloud]

gl with that one

23s tyrannical

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess you can box

[spice spire]

hell yeah, getting 23s done on tyrannical

[sinful flicker]

thanks whispyr, love you

[balmy condor]

no u bb

[sinful flicker]

uwu

[scenic osprey]

Mmm she likes choking i assume

[young nacelle]

[west cove]

15 of “the week” equals today’s 23 tyrannical ?

[viral locust]

Alright, soooo

Doomblade or Dashing. 🤔

[balmy condor]

full 23's on tyrannical is KSM

[west cove]

ah new blizzrio i get it

but i wonder what would be vault week’s difficulty compared to 9.0.5

%35 buff is 3.5 key level

[soft shale]

its more because of how some liutenants scale with key lvl

they do take more time and you cant skip some like pride

good thing is you get perma bonuses

so who knows

[west cove]

i guess it’s around 4 key level difficulty increase maybe

0.5 for luitenants

so like today’s 19 tyrannical

not that bad tbh

[west viper]

is asn venthyr still using nadja?

[balmy condor]

yes

[west viper]

awesome ty

[idle shard]

what happens if I dont want to clear torghast completely?

I wont be able to unlock the other layers right?

[soft shale]

you can get 4 stars without doing everything

[idle shard]

yeah? the traiditional rogue way?

stealth and just kill bosses?

[soft shale]

no

[idle shard]

damn

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[bleak sky]

uhm quick question

[inland jacinth]

which legendaries are you guys planning on getting? new to rogue.. :) i'm looking at doomblade and the other one

[bleak sky]

Did they change the vault's location or...?

or is it just deleted........?

[limber swallow]

it's disabled cuz it's broken

[bleak sky]

[limber swallow]

it's handing out 216 ilvl for 14+ keys

[inland jacinth]

i actually got my 226's today from vault

but 5 of my guildies say they can't

3 of us got 226's tho

so it's like half broken?

others can't even get anything

[bleak sky]

I wonder if the game would be better if we paid for it

maybe something like a subscription

[marble hemlock]

seeing how the patchnotes mentioned a 36% increase in difficulty for m+, keys will drop by 4 levels

since keystone scaling is 8% per level, and 1.08^4 is exactly 1.36 😛

[hollow river]

how's everyone's patch day

[north basin]

So which key we need to do for max loot this week?!

[spice spire]

15, max is 226

Next week is gated

[north basin]

Shit

[hollow river]

that starts this week ?

[balmy condor]

this week is the same as last

[hollow river]

that's what i thought

new season is 15s

[marble hemlock]

you wanna time a 19 this week or overtime a 20, to get a 15 from weekly next week, to then time/or not time that one for max ilvl reward in your first box that can contain higher ilvls, which is at the start of mythic week

[balmy condor]

yeh

[marble hemlock]

the smart play was to time a 20 last week

and just not play at all this week

[north basin]

So if my best key was 17, good luck to me finding 19-20 key as rogue, despite top gear kek..

[analog pilot]

whats the deal with trading soul ashe between alts

when can we do that

[marble hemlock]

when you reach a certain layer

says so in the patchnotes

[north basin]

Sylv dagger still not ingame? We need to wait for hc week to test it? Or how does it work

In simcraft i mean

[balmy condor]

it's not in, correct

[north basin]

Ok

[hollow river]

tried to run a layer 9 with guild and that shit took forever

we got to floor 4 after almost 30 minutes at least then DC'd and got kicked out -.-

[idle shard]

damn

[vestal zodiac]

Farm 8 for tower knowledge until you get a few tiers then 9 will be a joke

[hollow river]

Ah kk

Me and a guildie tried to pug a 9 and the affix demolished everyone lol the healer didn’t know what to do

Kept dropping under 40% and getting feared.

[foggy ember]

I thought it was a timed 20 we need this week? Did they confirm we only need a 19 done?

[soft shale]

read seli's reasoning

[foggy ember]

Okay nice

[jagged yoke]

think its worth crafting a legendary before getting to renown 48?

[hollow river]

Depends on how competitive you’re gonna be going into heroic week/what you want. And your soul ash coffers.

[jagged yoke]

what u think would be best other than obedience

[hollow river]

What specs you trying to play?

Sin i hope

[smoky bluff]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[jagged yoke]

assassination but might go back to sub...so far def sin

[hollow river]

Then those guides will help ya out

[jagged yoke]

ah sweet...ik thought they may be a bit outdated this close to a patch

[hollow river]

Nothing has changed for us except doomblade goes on cloak now.

You can also check the pins for more information.

[heavy roost]

I heard the venthyr leggo is simming higher than doom blade now. Can anyone else validate?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/best-legendaries-for-all-classes-in-raid-and-mythic-for-patch-9-1-shadowlands-323110

[hollow river]

Yes but you can’t craft it yet.

Check the pins.

[heavy roost]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/legendaries/castingpatchwerk

[hollow river]

The pins have all the answers.

[midnight marlin]

anyone know how to transfer soul ash to another toon?

[lavish pulsar]

time for my favorite new hobby, pooling energy instead of using shiv on cooldown

[hollow river]

You have to complete a certain layer.

And there’s a vendor inside your run I think.

[heavy vessel]

Opener for MA(talent): mut > snd > mut > gar > flag/vend > rup correct? Feel energy starved after second mut and waiting too long for gar/rup to get rolling. Should I vend earlier or just be patient?

[grim jay]

its just how it plays out in the opener

after that it will get smoother

[hollow river]

Nope

Flag-rupt-vend

Not that big of a difference at all but you’re opener will always feel a bit slow.

Patience

[viscid spear]

Is the Vault of Secrets in lower Korthia accessible?

[sour wraith]

with some wall jumping or finding a spot to take rez sickness, yes

[viscid spear]

But not naturally I assume

[heavy vessel]

Ok. Subterfuge/vigor opening I couldn’t spend energy fast enough.

[viscid spear]

I did the death run and I'm here, but no rares just caches

[sour wraith]

there's a rare if you go in the rift

[viscid spear]

No Drippy though ;-;

[heavy roost]

How many bosses in the new raid are single target?

[echo jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[heavy roost]

!pins

[kindred crescent]

is assas still bis raid spec?

[humble kayak]

Venthyr w/ Obedience leggo is looking to be the best after the most recent change to it

Until 48 hours ago it was necro sin

[oak sky]

Sin and sub are looking very close

[reef axle]

I don’t know, I mean doesn’t necro pull ahead with 2 targets? The gap between venth and necro can’t be that big 🤔

[arctic hare]

Its not really

Once you hit two or more targets, necro tends to get ahead

But venthyr, mmmm that nadja haste buff is tastay

[median aurora]

you can check the pins as well, as whispyr did some awesome sims

[heavy roost]

How many bosses in the new raid are single target encounters?

[reef axle]

I think 2

Well as in there are no other mobs in their encounters

[hazy crater]

2 pure single target bosses yeah

[viral locust]

Lot of prio add damage tho

[reef axle]

Which makes me think necro will still be very useful

[halcyon blade]

It’s hard to know the uptime for each target until we start seeing kills etc, I think you’ll be happy as either necro for the extra dmg on adds which appear in a few fights, or as venthyr where you have the awesome burst

[viral locust]

The diff between Venthyr and Necro is really minimal iirc

but necro would be the easier to play for adds for sure for sure

[halcyon blade]

Like the nine, eye of the jailer, etc have big uptime on a second target

[heavy roost]

Covenant leggos are changing that a little

[halcyon blade]

Thing with obedience is until you start to see your personal kill times you don’t know how it will line up, or if you trigger it then get a mechanic then you waste the buff, versus Necro where you can at least keep your cp rolling etc, both have thier benefits

I’m sure those who stayed necro will be just as happy as those that took the red

[reef axle]

Well completing the quest anyway so it will be an easy switch, my only concern is the renown, using the new campaign renown, would we still get a catch up the following week so we wont fall behind?

[grim jay]

[heavy roost]

I was wondering the same for my shammy

[wise gull]

If I forgot to start my covenant swap last week will I be able to catch up by the time obedience is available?

[thorny pond]

Yes

[wise gull]

Excellent

[thorny pond]

You just described boss prep. You would never slam your cd before downtime or hold for a better time. See: council and sludge this tier

[reef axle]

well my guild wants me to stay necro, better suited for raid xD

[thorny pond]

Your guild is dictating your covenant choice?

[reef axle]

no i asked em which they prefer

cause i couldnt choose lol

[thorny pond]

Oh jeez mate

[little sky]

Why would covenant even impact a boss fight lol

[grim jay]

bcs dps ?

[reef axle]

it wouldnt that much i would think but still this is looking at min maxing

[little sky]

If minmaxing is the reason, venthyr sims higher for assa so i dont get it.

[thorny pond]

If everyone plays worst covenants I’m sure it’s harder lol

[reef axle]

hmmm true, for pure single target, but my assumption is we fall off on multiple targets

[little sky]

Dps differnce is very small for the most part but there are cases where it matters more. Rogues are lucky in this aspect

[thorny pond]

At the end of the day necro and venth are close for sin. It comes down to flavor really and off spec

[reef axle]

at the end of the day i play what i prefer, but i would usually ask for a second opinion for team effort 😛

[grim jay]

necro still is a tad bit better for cleave for what its worth.

and over 400 dps isnt small tbf

[thorny pond]

Hemir with gemstone doom does fall off vs nad with obedience

[halcyon blade]

Totally get this, what I was meaning is that in this case you end up having to hold flag for mechanics which could, and could being the key word, affect your output

[little sky]

That's more about the leggo than the covenant itself, but since its covenant specific i get it

[thorny pond]

But you also can’t assume worst case for venth and best case for necro

There isn’t a lot of times where you’re going to get true 2/3 target cleave for extended periods on harder bosses

[little sky]

Oh sure. It's all about the more apt a specific skill is in fights. In the new raid i didnt see many council/sustained cleave fights but i have yet to fully check every mechanic and such.

[thorny pond]

You’re seeing a lot of us shifting to venth because versa is a very strong raiding stat and priority single target damage is often the most useful

And we still bring strong cleave without going necro

[halcyon blade]

How am I? You don’t get those issues with SBS as you can use it if you are moving, out of range etc versus a skill that buffs stats that won’t do anything if you have to hold it, like there is never a reason to overcap on SBS but there are plenty of times when holding your cds lead to better uptime. I’m not attacking anyone’s choice to go venthyr I just don’t think it will be as dominant for the majority as people as the sims show

[thorny pond]

You’re assuming you get full cleave value

[dire iris]

hey all, what legendary would you craft for the raid next week? Doomblade or Zoldyck?

[reef axle]

i reakon we will know what the majority will be once sims have settled., all theory crafting right now

[thorny pond]

Which just is not true

And I’m a necro truther

[halcyon blade]

But I even said on bosses with multiple targets like the nine or eyes

Where you do get good uptime

[little sky]

@dire iris keep your doomblade until you get obedience if venthyr

[thorny pond]

Sanctum is just more venth leaning in my opinion and I am a strong necro bone baby

Nine is the only real case for it until mythic

And eye is early and still hugely single target

[dire iris]

Gotcha, recrafting doomblade on back then, thanks!

[halcyon blade]

Why not eye? Adds come with ever chain

[thorny pond]

I’d wait until you get a piece with a socket

[little sky]

I wouldnt even really recraft it. Until you get the domination slot you don't even need to swap.

[thorny pond]

The eyes are a portion of the fight but the big eye is still single target oriented and a blast zone for single target

[dire iris]

Oh damn

then i can save some soul ash for obedience

[little sky]

If you can be more effective bursting eyes then cleave is slightly devalued.

[halcyon blade]

The extra eyes are yes but there is the chain add that also can be a cp generating SBS target.

[dawn pike]

If I have rank 1 doom blade, should i just go ahead and recraft ?

[thorny pond]

The honest play is to horde your resources till you need to either craft or recraft

[viral vigil]

So since raid begins next week,

But we don't get Obedience til 2 weeks from now

Should I make Doomblade on a cloak? Or save for Obedience?

[dire iris]

ty so much

[little sky]

Yeah, i wouldnt keep a rank one XD if you got the mats for thr back last week it was i credibly cheap. I assume prices for cloaks will skyrocket now

[thorny pond]

I’m not saying it’s not a necro fight I’m saying that don’t look for overwhelming value to try to prop it up

[halcyon blade]

I’m not a top tier raider anyway so I’ve got time to see how the fights shape and see what comes out on top 😄

[dawn pike]

Awesome yea! I bought a rank 4 cloak last week for 17k! Thanks

[halcyon blade]

That’s fair, I just think that’s it’s a trap to assume that you’re gonna get full uptime on obedience either

[little sky]

Oh not at all

[halcyon blade]

I’m excited that there’s multiple options

[thorny pond]

You usually will if you preform your rotation correctly

[little sky]

Depends also on biss phases and such

[thorny pond]

Adding an extra target for sin venth actually increases the value of obedience

Since we can get an extra few stacks

[halcyon blade]

So you can pop obedience on CD 100% of the time? With no loss? Sick

[thorny pond]

Pretty much if you plan it smartly

[halcyon blade]

Surely that’s dependant on fight timings

[little sky]

Since im gonna play sub aswell obedience for me is a nobrainer

[thorny pond]

A sin rogue with vanish vendetta and flag is going to be the #1 priority damage class

KT phalacerty

[cerulean nest]

can someone give me a TLDR of how obediance is supposed to fit in

[halcyon blade]

So you’d hold your obedience for the phalaxerty?

[thorny pond]

Hit flag get stacks. Get money fuck bitches

[little sky]

You can throw more flags

[thorny pond]

You’d basically get a few up and then time it for going down yes

[halcyon blade]

I’m confused, isn’t that timing driven by raid dps? So you end up holding the CD.

[thorny pond]

You’re basically getting every vendetta with a flag now and every other flag is solo

Potentially but that’s raiding in general

Only thing we slam on cd consistently is shiv

[halcyon blade]

And that’s fine and I am not saying it’s not gonna be great, but you did say that I can press it 100% as soon as it’s up and that just didn’t feel right

[thorny pond]

Are you vendetta currently on sludge outside of pillars? P1 sire before transitioning

Yes the benefit to SBS is you slam it on gemstone single target or sit on charges for adds spawning

[halcyon blade]

Well, you don’t sit on it, worst comes to it it’s 2 cheap cp if you’re gonna cap

[sand plume]

So I'm currently 38 renown and I have the 1k anima quest ready to turn in. If I turn it in before 40, do I screw myself out of 42 renown this week?

[halcyon blade]

As I said, I think the obedience is gonna be top, but I’m not a top player, so it’s not gonna affect me as much as other people

[little sky]

Yeah, the weekly quests (1k anima and souls) don't reset. You have to turn them in before reset or you "lose" a renown

[sand plume]

So I know not to hold on to it but what i'm asking is if I turn it in pre-40 renown, will I not be able to get 42 this week?

since I assume it won't regenerate after I hit 40

[teal bloom]

Idk if it's possible to hit 42 from other sources but I wouldn't turn it in before 40

Just to be sure

[sand plume]

sounds good. thanks

[thorny pond]

There’s just a lot of benefits for raiding as it. I miss the hell out of my SBS. My keys dps is a struggle to hit 7k now and it’s slow

[halcyon blade]

It’s the problem with Shadowlands, can’t be good at everything

[thorny pond]

There should be pros and cons. If not everyone would just be the same

[viral vigil]

Should I make a Doomblade cloak and Obedience Cloak when it's out for us? Or just make an obedience cloak and keep these Doomblade hands til then?

[thorny pond]

Keep doomblade as is

There is no rush since the dom sockets are not widely available and not even worth yet

I’d hold your resources for a bit longer few weeks

[reef axle]

cap on renown this week is 43?

[thorny pond]

Looks like 42 maybe

I haven’t seen anything aside from the jailer prog bar and anima turn in yet

[obsidian edge]

hum profil picture can be gif file now on discord? since when?

or this a premium thing

[thorny pond]

Nitro

[rancid escarp]

yo guys, how do you think, if im 39 renown now. would it be possible to get 2 renowns from campaign and one from m+, or should i first get to 40 with m+ and then start campaign

[thorny pond]

Up to you. Not a lot of testing about gains after 40

From random sources *

[austere gorge]

where can i buy this fusion amp token ?

[whole bluff]

Doesn't really matter, I was 38 before reset. I've done everything you can on week 1 and that was enough for 42(max rn)

[little sky]

Up to 40 you should have very increased chances to get renown, so do callings/dungeons and it should be easy

So all campaign/weekly guarantees all count for 40+

[rancid escarp]

aiight, thanks for answers guys

[twin bolt]

Guys, i just cant decide between havoc and rogue. who do you guys will be "better" in terms of dps in m+ and the new raid? 😦

[thorny pond]

Did you ask the dh discord as well?

DH drinks darkness and magic amp so if you want an easier raid spot there is your answer

If you want a fun class with intricate dps nuance and a decent skill floor that props it up, rogue is for you

[gloomy knoll]

you can't put skill floor nuance and intricacy in the same sentence as assassination rogue

at least not in its ST

cleave /aoe sure

[grim jay]

its fine if the comparison was to a dh

😄

[gloomy knoll]

nah

sin st is probably as easy as dh

if not easier

anybody can pick it up it's incredibly simple lol

the fun about the spec comes from

you add 1 target and it shoots to the moon tho

sin 2 target is hella pog

[grim jay]

dh is simple, doesnt have many buttons to press and doesnt need to watch anything

so despite sin being a simpler spec in general, dh is even simpler

😄

[thorny pond]

My alt is a dh. Remembering to put your poisons on is more nuanced than anything havoc

And yes I spoke broadly which is why I said proped up by a decent skill floor

[pure field]

so how is nightfae fairing in 9.1?

[thorny pond]

Uh

Someone wanna break him the bad news

[grim jay]

first 3 letters of the spec

[pure field]

ooof

[thorny pond]

Check the pins

It’s about 7% behind

[manic harness]

I'm almost positive it's gonna get hotfixed

[silent tinsel]

Wtf is sudden conduit?

I dont see a single one called sudden

[cyan dew]

Ok, where's my new pins?

need to know what cov will be the meta.

[molten beacon]

I need it also

[rigid tartan]

Sudden fractures was already in the game it’s necrolords’ bonespike Buff conduit

[gusty mirage]

sim it on raidbots for yourself if you're that anxious for new information.

[grim jay]

the question is

what happened that the takeaway from the sims in the pins would change?

[austere gorge]

Profiles are full mythic gear with 262 legendaries (256 ilvl overall). Trinket wise they are using Phial + Fusion Amp or Shadowgrasp. <------------- Where ca i Find this Fusion Amp ?

[ember jay]

in the raid?

[balmy condor]

They will

I’m gonna resim tomorrow

[pine plinth]

Quick question, is Sin still pretty good being necro? or is venth the only option

[balmy condor]

Both fine

[pine plinth]

Flag isn't like a crazy increase for sin?

[limpid plinth]

[grim jay]

but what is it that changed? 😄

[balmy condor]

There’s a bug that’s causing poisons to not apply properly, and I have to finalize the profiles

[grim jay]

ah alright

[rancid warren]

Still dont think itll change a lot

[balmy condor]

Nah

Won’t change too much

Also need to do soulbinds that got implemented

Marileth is promising

Kleia looks good

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

They also buffed a bunch of things

[ember jay]

Marileth the GOAT

[balmy condor]

So that’s gotta change too

Sim stream before work again

[ember jay]

[rancid warren]

Probably not but really hope necro sims better than venthyr

Oh the headache of swapping covs

[balmy condor]

And then all of EU is gonna be playing new patch, so there goes 80% of my viewer base

[gusty mirage]

Nonsense

[ember jay]

6h left

[gusty mirage]

there's enough RP walking for them to catch 80% of your stream

[balmy condor]

Dude the statistics say so

80% Europe

It’s crazy

But anyway

Necro won’t catch up

[grim jay]

I'll still watch, even if my eyes hurt

[gusty mirage]

you know what's crazy? this new jailer's forces weekly

[balmy condor]

At least not with obedience being obedience

[balmy condor]

Yeah that took a while

I got it done eventually

[gusty mirage]

I got started late, got it to 48% and just logged off

[balmy condor]

Also ran both my torghasts and capped out on knowledge

Day 1 already out of content

[ember jay]

capped out?

[kind veldt]

Is there a BiS list for all the domination gear yet? Preferred pieces?

[ember jay]

you cant farm 100 torghast to complete the tree first week? 😦

[balmy condor]

We never recommend bis lists

[balmy condor]

Nop

[gusty mirage]

if you could have I would still be in there

[grim jay]

sub or sin ? 😄

[gusty mirage]

I'm a loser like that

[balmy condor]

I got like 4 researches and it was like “sick a weekly cap you did it”

[balmy condor]

I played sub all day

[ember jay]

damn I though that would be my content for the week ...

[grim jay]

but infexious BiS list...

[woeful juniper]

[balmy condor]

Dailies it is mah boy

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-theoffice-dont-gif-7904750

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

Back to the sim machine for content

[woeful juniper]

[balmy condor]

I just realized the star is on the opposite side for that emote

Holy shit I’m titled

[woeful juniper]

ruined

[balmy condor]

left side

right side

left side again

[woeful juniper]

[gusty mirage]

WAIT

I found the real content guys

[balmy condor]

Uh oh

[gusty mirage]

The content we've been waiting for: https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/buy-cosmetic-glasses-transmogs-from-vendors-in-stormwind-and-orgrimmar-in-patch-323092

[woeful juniper]

whispyr emotes?

[gusty mirage]

harry potter glasses

finally

my prayers have been answered

[balmy condor]

The person I run torg with

Found content in the form of cosmetics from the floor vendors in torg

So I have to buy all the orbs myself now

[gusty mirage]

LOL

god damnit jez

[balmy condor]

She’s too busy being a youtuber now to buy orbs

Smh

[gusty mirage]

so what happens when all 3-4 mogs are bought

what do now?

[balmy condor]

9.2 waiting room

[woeful juniper]

you umsubscribe and wait 8 months

[gusty mirage]

blizz got me with that 6 month auto renew

I forgot to cancel it

[solid mica]

how'd you get to city of secrets in the south?

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

go venthyr and door of shadows there in like 15 minutes

[balmy condor]

I jumped off a cliff and took the res sickness on the other side

[solid mica]

ohhh could you actually do stuff over there?

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s chests

[gusty mirage]

poggies

[balmy condor]

Maybe 4 or 5

[solid mica]

yoink

[gusty mirage]

well you ruined the secret

way to go

[solid mica]

he did it for the boiz

[balmy condor]

Wow whispyr shares info with the broader community

Color me surprised

That’s so uncharacteristic

[woeful juniper]

[gusty mirage]

Have you found the secret of making this content fun?

[solid mica]

do you ahve to jump at a certain spot?

[balmy condor]

Kinda not really

[woeful juniper]

on another note, you dobt rupture during shiv windows right?

[gusty mirage]

in ST? you try not to have to refresh bleeds during shiv

[solid mica]

first attempt, it put me topside

[balmy condor]

Around there on the map

[slow tulip]

you dont want that no

[balmy condor]

There’s a cliff side

Looks like that

Smash your way into that corner

[gusty mirage]

but like if you have to, you have to. Just not a good idea to make a habit out of it

[balmy condor]

And it should get you the explore achieve

[woeful juniper]

well on multiple targets

[balmy condor]

Once you get that

[woeful juniper]

not on st

[balmy condor]

Jump as far as you can towards the island

[gusty mirage]

2-3T cleave? or like we're talking 4+?

[balmy condor]

And you’ll res on the other side

[solid mica]

wait my stone is on the other side lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[woeful juniper]

2-3

[balmy condor]

You did it

Gratz

[solid mica]

na it got me on the wrong side lol

[balmy condor]

Oh

Well

Try again I guess

[solid mica]

can u get rez sickness twice?

[balmy condor]

Idk maybe?

I don’t think I’ve ever tried

All the chests over there are self explanatory for the most part

There’s 1 that requires a ceremonial key or something

[grim jay]

it just goes back to the full duration if you revive again iirc

[balmy condor]

It’s a little altar

And you can find the key by scaling up the side of the wall on the hut next to it

[solid mica]

IT GOT EXPLORED

[balmy condor]

Almost like a little ramp on the far side you just jump a couple times

[balmy condor]

JUMP WILLIS

BELIEVE

[solid mica]

fuckin gamer, didn't even have to rez sickness again with flexweave underlay

[grim jay]

what? rogues scale off the wall?

bright future ahead

[lost mist]

Whispyr, there is also a hidden chest on the bush outside a "house"

[tribal shuttle]

any rogue spread sheet?

[balmy condor]

A couple, what are you looking for

[lost mist]

And the small box u can open it by using a key that is over a wall next to a destroyed "house"

[tribal shuttle]

gearing, covenants and spec which one would be best for raiding

so confused now

[balmy condor]

That’s what I was talking about

[tribal shuttle]

Sadge

[balmy condor]

Pins

[solid mica]

if only i was vulpera i could make camp here

[oak sky]

Man i feel like im missing a bunch of stuff this week but its mostly just dailies and stuff right?

[grim jay]

pins and !guide in the chat here

[tribal shuttle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Yea

[grim jay]

as for gearing
there is no such thing as a useful BiS list

[balmy condor]

Basically I just got close to rank 3 with the korthia archive dude

And did my layer 9 torgs

And then ran around killing rares and collecting chests

And that’s really it

[oak sky]

I feel like ill just passively get rep anyways

I did maw dailies for a couple weeks and got bored

[balmy condor]

Do quest, kill rare, collect treasure, rinse repeat

[oak sky]

At the most ill do korthia dailies probs in terms of rep

Maybe the odd rare

[strange python]

EU 9.1 waiting room

[lost mist]

Korthia feels like argus+nazjatar+mechagon gameplay

[oak sky]

Im mostly excited for endgame stuff and chilling doing campaign and whatever

Im not even eu, i just dont have access to my pc for another week

[balmy condor]

I still have to do raid prep for next week

[strange python]

this is how i feel right now with you people telling your NA farming experiences

[balmy condor]

You’re missing nothing

It’s fine

It’s a decent patch

New zone

New thing to grind

Kinda fun

But it’s nothing like oh my god im missing out

[ember jay]

"you're missing nothing" "kinda fun"

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s fun cause I’m deprived of content

Not because it’s anything earth shattering

[willow eagle]

Waiting for the megadungeon next week

That's gonna be some big content

[balmy condor]

If you liked the questing content from the last 3 expansions, it’s basically just that

[ember jay]

woke up at 8am because I though it opened at 9

[drifting cloud]

imagine reading

[oak sky]

Rough

[solid mica]

did you find the 300 catalog research thing?

[balmy condor]

The 300? Idk maybe

I turned in like 1500 at a time

[balmy condor]

Bro I just picked the place clean till I could do a lap or two around the place without finding a chest

And then I turned it all in

I have no idea about coords or any of that

Running in circles is bis

I gotta say though

Aside from the one venari quest

And the world lag for the first 1:30-2 hours

Wasn’t actually that bad

Didn’t have to do a login queue, my characters were all there

[whole bluff]

Did your vault work tho?

[balmy condor]

You think I had a vault?

[whole bluff]

Xd

[hollow river]

How’d you like korthia

[balmy condor]

I mean I technically have a vault

But I don’t give a fuck about it

Gear is getting replaced

Who cares

[balmy condor]

It’s like a grey maw version of ardenweald idk it’s aight

[hollow river]

I mostly just did a few quests and answered questions for the other two rogues in my guild

[balmy condor]

Not the prettiest thing in the world

But it’s okay

[hollow river]

Yeah it reminds me of ardenweald too

Would they normally do a .4 patch?

[balmy condor]

Not in recent expac

[hollow river]

Or just .3

[balmy condor]

It’s usually .3, maybe .3.5 to introduce side content or catch up mechanics or something

[hollow river]

I hope the raid is good. Can’t wait to see what they do for 9.2 raid now lmao

[whole bluff]

Probably Anduin as final boss

Who would have thought

[balmy condor]

Nah

[hollow river]

Jailer

[balmy condor]

Jailer final boss we free anduin either end of this raid of beginning of the next

[strange python]

haven't heard anything of arthas in a long time

[balmy condor]

I mean he’s been dead for like 10 years, not surprising

[strange python]

i mean he got tossed to the maw by uther

new healing boss inc ? 😄

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess

[strange python]

like KT

[balmy condor]

Idk

[crimson sleet]

Anyone knows if sylvanas dager still only works for one rogue ?

[balmy condor]

Bringing back something as big as arthas requires some build up I feel

[balmy condor]

They disabled the effect before ptr went down so who knows

It definitely shouldnt

[icy mason]

arthas blasts a hole in his chest. becomes the new jailer. there must always be a jailer.

[hollow river]

I think my guild is gonna have 3 rogues on the roster this tier

That’s a lot of daggers

[trail mica]

Just checking if i understand the pins, you get vers from obedience while building up stacks, and it stays in the second part of the buff too?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[trail mica]

Ty

[tidal dust]

Are there sims regarding new assa Venthyr?

[balmy condor]

All in the pins

When in doubt, probably pinned

[sand mauve]

I hate it every Time to make a decision which covenant and legendary ..

[slow tulip]

b b but player agency

[forest delta]

we have to wait 6 more hours :))

[tidal dust]

Probably had this question all day now, but whats the chances obedience getting struck before release of raid?

[ember jay]

that's because you dont believe, I believe it will open at 10

🙏

[forest delta]

the game warning shows otherwise :))

[ember jay]

ok smart man

[forest delta]

30% chance

just my personal opinion

[tidal dust]

And how good is the renown catchup? im 40 necor but only 20 venthyr

[forest delta]

seems a bit overdone

[sand mauve]

Does it makes sense to start with venthyr renown 0 today or should i stay necrolord 40 for the Next Time?

[umbral rapids]

U cute

[thin trout]

what is this obedience thing i keep reading about

[hollow river]

New Venthyr cov legendary

[thin trout]

ah, but isn't that available 4 weeks in? we need renown 48 right

[hollow river]

3

I think

[final star]

Nerf resounding

[thin trout]

ah, when mythic starts I guess?

[hollow river]

Yeah

Need soul cinders too

[thin trout]

do we put it on the head or back btw?

[hollow river]

Wait might be able to just craft r4 with soul ash oops

Back

Should say In the pins I think

[balmy condor]

No u

[umbral rapids]

uwu

[tidal dust]

So its worth going venth today even tho i only have renown 20 there?

[balmy condor]

Truly beautiful things

[thin trout]

doesnts eem like it , it still says ddoomblade is the best

[balmy condor]

I mean, what is “worth”

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah that pin from like a month ago

[tidal dust]

Well i want to make sure i am minmaxing the day we enter mythic

[balmy condor]

Need to get rid of that and make a new 9.1 megathread

[thin trout]

🙂

[hollow river]

lol

[balmy condor]

Then you should try to get 48 renown on mythic week, which means getting to that renown, which means grinding it, which means you should swap to grind that renown

[thin trout]

good thing I didn't change to necrolord like alot of people did 😄

[vestal wren]

how much renown do you get from the intro quest?

[balmy condor]

Idk

I was at 40

So I got nothing

Some people said they got a couple or something

[hollow river]

The world boss isn’t up yet correct

[balmy condor]

But I don’t have any evidence of it

Can’t confirm if it’s even real

[vestal wren]

i just remembered the discussion about the renown level you have in heroic week

and push iirc did say you got 5 renown in the questline on ptr

[woven ruin]

My guild and I just got heroic sire tonight, now I can rest.

[umbral rapids]

Yep

[vestal wren]

not sure if you can do that already but if you do you should be able to get to 48 on heroic week

[soft shale]

you get 48 on mythic week actually

but yea on ptrr it was the same

first week 2

then 3 each until campaign ends

[vestal wren]

oh 5 was including the 2 from first week

i assumed it was not

[sand plume]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[keen dome]

@woven ruin congrats, you can rest a whole week

[uneven summit]

I see you´re discussing renown, i heard from most that it´s 3 renown first week, and some say 2 renown, anybody that has some sources? Naguuras video from 2 days ago says 43 renown first week

[velvet haven]

from doing everything, i'm @ 42 reknown on 2 chars

[uneven summit]

So i heard: 1 from weekly anima, 1 from campaign and one for Korthia quest

[velvet haven]

Campaign is at 44

therefore 2 from weekly and korthia next week

then 3rd from campaign

in week 2

Just based on my sample size and your provided information ofc.

[clear shadow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[clear shadow]

what piece do i craft obedience on ?

[dim temple]

Good morning. are people still going Ventyr or waiting for Obedience to see if it's going to be nerfed or just go for it?

[hollow river]

Should be in the pins.

[obtuse ruin]

Sticking to assa till sub gets obedience?

[hollow river]

Unless you wanna run sub finality in keys to try out the new aoe buffs

[balmy condor]

Putting in work

[obtuse ruin]

Even with finality isn’t sub already simming higher than assa for dungeon

[tidal dust]

what renown is needed to buy obedience?

[willow eagle]

48

[tidal dust]

So when we go venth we have to wait to week 3 to get the max value?

[chrome widget]

@tidal dust basically

[forest delta]

Servers are up.

[mossy crown]

FML, phial has dropped finally

in GV at 226

[brazen rampart]

final great vault was dogshit

ofc

[strange python]

First time question poster! Long time reader and I apologise if this is a constant question here but is it wrong to stay necrolord? Or is obedience just that good? Thanks for the help

[brazen rampart]

you'll be fine. it just comes down to if you want more ST or more cleave damage

[mossy crown]

did I read not to loot GV for some reason?

[strange python]

Thanks Kex I mostly do mythic+ 15-20 so cleave suits me just fine.

[shut flame]

guys, quick question - do temporary buffs such as heirmir carver's eye affect already applied dots?

[idle shard]

now I cant craft my 235 doomblade leggo on cloak cuz idk if Im switching to venthyr

definitely not gonna buy another cloak and not gonna farm another 5k soul ash lul

[brazen rampart]

choosing to swap back to venthyr last minute was a mistake. no one is queueing heroics on patch day

[balmy condor]

Always nice seeing new faces :) kex is correct, but if you’re going to play multiple specs, the choice gets a little harder

Like if you want to play sin/sub, venthyr is great

[placid dawn]

sin/outlul necro is better right?

[balmy condor]

Correct

That would be the pref

[sand sigil]

3.7k into tier 3

[balmy condor]

I didn’t get to 3

[sand sigil]

we did the most degen stuff lol. but i had to take a break midday to finish venth campaign lmao

also this notion of infinite soul ash is such a lie lol

unless u have a ton of alts ur gonna be running torghast like 30 times

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[sand sigil]

like i was thinking abt making crit haste obedience and crit vers obedience for both specs

but that's just so trap :/

[balmy condor]

It’s infinite the same way slicing a loaf of bread in half over and over is infinite slices

[sand sigil]

would have to run torghast for 24 hrs straight lmao

[reef axle]

Staying necro for now, yeh the st is nice but necro just feels too versatile right now, have to wait for some logs to see if I can justify switching

[soft shale]

shhh

[mossy crown]

am I ok to loot GV does anyone know?

[balmy condor]

If it’s back

Yeah

Go for it

[mossy crown]

so it 226 the highest we can get from the GV?

[tacit wedge]

[balmy condor]

Yeah, and next week as well

[tacit wedge]

got dreadfire
in Heroic

still better than my hateful chain

[keen swallow]

Has the vault bug been fixed?

[austere gorge]

what;s the best slot now for legendary doomblade? back ?

[tacit wedge]

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tribal mauve]

finally got a 2nd 226 weapon

[mossy crown]

finally got phial

[tacit wedge]

4th reset i play my rogue, i still have a 190 dagger and a LFR dagger

meanwhile my outlaw spec have a 210 poxstorm and a 207 offhand

[raven quarry]

Relatable feelings

[tacit wedge]

outlaw rogue time

[raven quarry]

Been trying to replace my 190 dagger for 3 resets now

Maybe in another lifetime....

[tacit wedge]

will unironically prog as outlaw if my stroke of bad luck don't end

[thin trout]

with the Obedience legendary, I assume we wanne pool energy to get max stacks for flaggelation?

[tacit wedge]

Isn't flag stacks related to crit% instead?

[hoary night]

of course you do and you wanna do it now

[tacit wedge]

idk if it was @balmy condor or someone else who talked about that and how to reach 30 stacks

[thin trout]

yeah would be nice to practice that a bit 😄

[safe shuttle]

yo team I kinda wanna pvp so is putting vers on the doomblade cloak bad for raid?

[balmy condor]

What I do?

[thin trout]

i heard you know how to properly get 30 stacks with flaggelation

[balmy condor]

On sin?

You don’t

[hoary night]

I play EP Vigor and hardly reach 27 or above

[balmy condor]

You either crit 4cp muts and proc blindsides like a lunatic, or you land at like 23-26 stacks

[thin trout]

what is this 'Sudden' potency conduit btw

[edgy pawn]

sudden fractures is the necro potency conduit