assassination

[odd hazel]

[spice spire]

Someone’s fucking up

[fleet anchor]

Daggers will be BiS anyway because of ilevel. The only remaining question is, for example, how good Heroic is vs. mid-Mythic ilevel dagger drops. We should have an answer about that before it drops for anyone.

[odd hazel]

Tbh they better add stats if they keep it off

[covert basin]

???????????????

[steel bane]

do we have any updates on what they're doing with the proc? @fleet anchor

[spice spire]

Sick. Been wondering that myself. I still remember heroic carapace vs mythic wrathion diff

[fleet anchor]

Nope. Just waiting and seeing how it shakes out. Seems like we are getting hotfixes to all the proc weapons almost every day.

Although I can say with moderate confidence it will probably be more than 0 😛

[spice spire]

Only moderate confidence though

[kindred crescent]

I am seeing alot of charts putting sub rogue above Assas in raid and m+

[covert basin]

tier lists

[viscid spear]

What about moon rogue?

[fringe dust]

star rogue

[covert basin]

[odd hazel]

Do not ever listen to tier lists

[fringe dust]

the anticipation is killing me, i still have no idea what i want to play

[odd hazel]

I’m gonna try to gear for sub and hold onto gear if it’s good.

[covert basin]

sub assa vampire bois

[odd hazel]

But worse comes to worse I fall back on sin

[covert basin]

[subtle gyro]

Venth sub looks to be pumping

[compact sinew]

mfw I want to gear in m+ with necro but play assa in raid but hate playing assa in m+

[covert basin]

play sub in m+

[odd hazel]

I’d rather re roll then play outlaw for m+

[cobalt relic]

Venth Sub was doing noticeably more on the dummy than Sin in my PTR testing, even with my gear more statted for Sin

But obviously fights =/= dummies

[subtle gyro]

assa in M+ is terrible per say, but imo...its a chore

[covert basin]

Sub is frontloaded

Assass is not

[odd hazel]

Sin is fine in m+

Not sure where you get it’s terrible

[cobalt relic]

I was doing pretty long tests

[compact sinew]

It's not bad, but it's just so much effort compared with outlaw

[strange python]

he ment to say isnt terrible : P

i think..

[cobalt relic]

But yeah, I couldn't get to Blindside execute range or anything obviously

[covert basin]

Well it's funny that the sims don't show substantual difference

[subtle gyro]

isnt..lol yes

mb

[covert basin]

Idk if assa is inflated in sims with the exec range tbh

[odd hazel]

It’s easy once you get used to it

[strange python]

as a feral player assass is the class that makes me feel at home

bleeds that actually matter

[covert basin]

well

"matter"

[compact sinew]

It's not hard, it's just a lot more to pay attention to compared to oulaw when you're focusing on cc and survival in higher keys yeah

imo

[covert basin]

[compact sinew]

people are different

[odd hazel]

Prefer not getting carpel tunnel

[covert basin]

Outlaw gameplay in real time

180 apm

[compact sinew]

actually

[strange python]

outlaw actually does hurt my hand..

[thorny pond]

Sounds like you need a new mouse

[strange python]

in the beginning atleast

i got used to it

[thorny pond]

Wrist exercises

[covert basin]

I know those

[spice spire]

Outlaw is for real gamers ™️

[compact sinew]

got used to the pain

[cobalt relic]

I just get furious at myself whenever I hit Blade Flurry by accident right before the pack dies and don't have it up for the next pack.

[thorny pond]

pervert

[strange python]

its just smashing sinister strike over and over

hurts

LOL

[subtle gyro]

i havent played or touched Outlaw/Combat spec since BC. i miss combat sword spec...windfury totem...:)

[quartz iris]

Is anything changing in the way covenant swaps work? I thought I saw something to make it less of a chore but I cant seem to fins anything on it

[strange python]

increased renown catch up i believe

accelerated*

[spice spire]

For a covenant you’ve never been a part of, there’s covenant catch-up iirc

Well for all

But for ones you have been before it’s a two week process

[compact sinew]

But like, what is that catch-up?

I've not seen anywhere what specifically the catch-up is? Is it higher renown droprates or?

[strange python]

to my understanding

i think so

im not 100% sure

either

[balmy condor]

just seems to be higher droprate

[compact sinew]

more plaguefalls it is

[fringe dust]

plz no more plaguefall

[balmy condor]

go farm a phial brother

strong mental energy

[pale fossil]

I'm not....

Strong enough.....

[fringe dust]

still dont have a phial xD feels terrible

[subtle gyro]

it wont drop for me

[echo cargo]

Same

[subtle gyro]

im sad

[quartz iris]

Ok thanks. I was planning on going to necro after I snag the achievement for renown 40 for flying.

[echo cargo]

I did so many fucking PFs

[viscid spear]

"Activities that granted Renown now do at an increased rate" or something like that

[quartz iris]

I just didn't know if it was gonna be as painful as before

[compact sinew]

hey guys i got a 226 phial on my first week playing rogue AMA

[quartz iris]

Even though it rly wasn't too bad it's just a pain

[pale fossil]

I actually got Phial and Pox from PF in like 10 runs, but it took like 90 Mists runs for me to get the dagger

[balmy condor]

hows it feel like waking up every morning with a massive cock

[winged basin]

I wish my damn guild wasn’t so hyper fixated on getting rid of a rogue, life is pain

[thorny pond]

beat me to it

[compact sinew]

[covert basin]

Well, be me, reroll rogue, farm valor for 220 phial, have it drop in 226 vault

Give me back my time spent and valor

[balmy condor]

time is one directional friend

[covert basin]

Finally escape the DK AMZ forced jail

[thorny pond]

It's not about the loot but the friends you made

[covert basin]

And this is how I am treated

[compact sinew]

I'm in exact same position @covert basin

[covert basin]

[compact sinew]

Everyone spamming:

[thorny pond]

Just be better

[covert basin]

I just need to beat kessrogue next tier and i can rest in peace

[thorny pond]

get a red name

and parse 100s

[pale fossil]

It'd be nice if selling a valor-upgraded item refunded part of the valor, but wishful thinking.

[viscid spear]

I'm on my raid team, git gud

[balmy condor]

too logical

[thorny pond]

Or be a raid leader

The hell yall need all this valor for?

[pale fossil]

I would but idk how to get rid of flairs

[thorny pond]

#bot-spam

[subtle gyro]

valor upgrades for the new 5 man loot? that a thing?

[pale fossil]

PogChamp

[sonic spire]

Do we have any trinket info for the new raid/dungeon ones? Or are we still running phial with cube or… actually ifk cause I was running chain lol

[thorny pond]

good boy

[spice spire]

Red name gaming

[thorny pond]

phial is big

[compact sinew]

Why can't I just be a multi-roll Andy

[thorny pond]

IQD will not be

Garrosh trinket looks big (for M+)

[covert basin]

Imagine being an outlaw activist

[subtle gyro]

nerfed 20% IQD?

[covert basin]

[sonic spire]

Tbt to wearing the 210 cause no valor and no box :c

[thorny pond]

If you don't have a box, get a GF

[covert basin]

too real

[young nacelle]

what is a gf

[sonic spire]

I am the GF … 👀

[spice spire]

Beach back on a tear, all is right in the world

[spice spire]

What if you have box and gf?

[thorny pond]

Apologies m'lady. Good luck with all the DMs

[covert basin]

put the gf in the box

[compact sinew]

I just wanna say to the rogue community, I am thankful for cloaks being the bis legendary slot bc I am poor

[spice spire]

No

[covert basin]

[worthy moth]

[odd hazel]

It’s sad that we don’t get gems though unless they made it so they do

Socket on it**

[covert basin]

they have to handicap us somehow

[spice spire]

Wat

[covert basin]

[sonic spire]

If my main IO is lower than theirs, I might respond, good luck ❤️

[thorny pond]

That's a hot take

Whatcha rolling?

[fleet anchor]

Karma for us having to have chest as Sub on W1 and spending all our money I guess? 😛

[odd hazel]

Do we get sockets on the cloaks ? @fleet anchor

[spice spire]

No we do not

[odd hazel]

[compact sinew]

based

[fleet anchor]

No it's only the slots that already support sockets

[odd hazel]

What a cuck

[spice spire]

Don’t even get them on legs

[fleet anchor]

Basically it's just so you don't have to drop currency to upgrade your legendary after crafting

[sonic spire]

2.7 but my score keys are 2 months ago :c

[thorny pond]

If we got sockets on legs, they'd be bejeweled

[odd hazel]

Bedazzled

[fleet anchor]

Next tier the sockets are purchased with the same currency as the higher rank legendaries

So it'd be dumb if you had to spend to upgrade a legendary

[odd hazel]

You can also get them from torghast

[balmy condor]

[lone minnow]

are sockets rep gated?

[compact sinew]

Unlucky whispyr

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[thorny pond]

Whispyr can slide into anyone's DM

[spice spire]

You’ll get ‘em next time chief

[sonic spire]

@balmy condor has the brains tho… I just hit things ook ook

[odd hazel]

Can we get the sockets from torghast ?

[fleet anchor]

I mean I've only run 1 key in like 3 months so. 😦

[balmy condor]

I slid into a CE guild's dm with 3/10

[spice spire]

Wait

Did it work

[thorny pond]

Limit should take you

[balmy condor]

yes

[compact sinew]

Green name chad

[balmy condor]

it did work

[compact sinew]

[runic maple]

so im mainly gonna be assa and mostly do raids, I wld prolly learn outlaw so I can get in to m+ easier, but wld u guys pick venthyr just for the obedience in my case?

[thorny pond]

If you're a CF here you probably can get into any guild

[spice spire]

YOU IN PAPI? Hell yeah brother

[thorny pond]

unless a CF is already there

[spice spire]

Not true

[covert basin]

If ur mostly into raids yes

[fleet anchor]

You fail 100% of the guilld applications you don't make

😛

[thorny pond]

-wayne gretzky

[runic maple]

yh, I wld be doing like 1 m+ each week just for the weekly kek

[covert basin]

Then for sure do not go a covenant for that 1 weekly key

[fleet anchor]

Honestly don't think it ever hurts to apply "up" if you want to do something harder.

[strange python]

~ Michael Scott

[balmy condor]

my favorite pickup line is "hey I can probably simulate the chance that I'd be a good fit"

[fleet anchor]

Worst case they say "come back when you get some more xp"

[runic maple]

I just thought necro wasnt far behind in raid content, apperently they are tho with the obedience hype

[fleet anchor]

Best case they say "hey this dude has some potential"

[thorny pond]

"I ran the numbers and I determined you should sleep with me is a high possibility"

[covert basin]

Just have a ptr test with a 100 wr guild and beat their rogue and get a dm asking if ur interested, then decline just to establish dominance

[odd hazel]

How good at torghast do you have to do for sockets ?

Do we know yet?

[limber lion]

Time to apply to FSY

[compact sinew]

I recruit for my CE guild and can confirm I've recruited a good amount of non CE players bc of "potential"

[fleet anchor]

Haven't really tested Torghast difficulty on PTR yet much tbh

[spice spire]

“According to the sims, I’m BiS”

[fleet anchor]

Haven't had time 😦

[vestal wren]

"there is a 100% chance you want me in the guild"

[compact sinew]

99.8% chance, recurring ofc

[thorny pond]

I parse 100%, 10% of the time

[compact sinew]

[limber lion]

I parse 10%, 100% of the time

[covert basin]

[thorny pond]

big brain time

[spice spire]

In all seriousness thoigh, whispyr definitely has some extra value with him even at just 3/10. His review and analysis are well documented and that could be an asset easily

Also he’s 4/10 so I know he got in, Tf

[balmy condor]

an asset for sure, dumpy in the back homie

[pale fossil]

I parse 100%, 0% of the time. That evens out to a 50% parse, so I'm better than half of the rogues with CE.

[spice spire]

Stop I’m at work papi

[fleet anchor]

Sounds like you stand in Massacre a lot. You need to fix that. 😛

[odd hazel]

@fleet anchor apparently you have to unlock the vault from the talent tree. And you have to score a perfect run

[thorny pond]

what is sire?

[balmy condor]

what my gf calls me a fun raid boss

[compact sinew]

king of ingerland

[covert basin]

It's not that hard if it's indicative of what happened on PTR

[odd hazel]

Just curious how far in the tree it’ll be

[thorny pond]

We go from daddy to mommy. This xpac is for all us kinky perverts

Double Dick Denny to Milfy Mommy

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-18805247

[spice spire]

Was about to say

[compact sinew]

[spice spire]

We’re going into assassination after dark

[keen swallow]

How much we betting venthyr gets a nerf?

[thorny pond]

Patch days, gotta love it

[thorny pond]

0%

[keen swallow]

Really? isnt the new lego super strong tho?

[compact sinew]

it will fly under the radar that is caster balance

[thorny pond]

We discussed this last night

[keen swallow]

I wasnt here last night lmao

[odd hazel]

Venth isn’t suddenly Op

[thorny pond]

Scroll up boi

[wise fiber]

No.

[keen swallow]

I aint scrolling that far up kek

[thorny pond]

It's strong but not like venthyr warrior strong

[wise fiber]

NF is the way now.

[keen swallow]

Yup, quite a few warriors in my guild have gone venthyr

[thorny pond]

every DPS warrior should

[covert basin]

shout bots

[odd hazel]

Tbh it doesn’t deserve a nerf

[covert basin]

[thorny pond]

We can't come an agreement in this channel and #no-negativity day

So take it to sub

[maiden plaza]

i thought warriors were switching off venthyr? did something change?

[queen herald]

new necro > obedience

[thorny pond]

yea the leggo is yuge

[compact sinew]

Just a thought btw, are we likely to see any subterfuge play in sanctum?

[odd hazel]

Let’s follow the kyrian way

[thorny pond]

no

[maiden plaza]

neat

[keen swallow]

I know its stronger for st, but how far behind is it on aoe/cleave with necro? I know sims are shaky

[normal plaza]

what do u gonna do? wait until renown around 50ish to change venthyr or now?

[compact sinew]

Wouldn't there be some value on fights like the nine or eye?

Not perma value ofc like

[thorny pond]

Not really

[odd hazel]

Pins

[thorny pond]

most changed now and primed the quest to return

Shrouded Suffocation made it value

but even in dungeons the value comes from the utility of iron wire not the damage

in theory you could get big value from MA with full bleeds up and vanishing into CT and FoK

[compact sinew]

Yeah fair

[odd hazel]

Triple potency with obedience seems strong in m+

Nadjia

[thorny pond]

That's super shaky what I said but Subt is a great way to also get high value garrotes up for venomous wounds energy returns

[spice spire]

The opener damage from garrote is a non zero factor on running subterfuge

[thorny pond]

literally what I said lol

[spice spire]

But you need reliably to get that damage off to get value. Nine may hold value but I’m suspect of it

Ahh

Reading is hard

[compact sinew]

Ye nine was the only fight I considered

[thorny pond]

M+ garrote is great for energy return

In raids you can keep the bleeds up reliably without them falling off for need of extra energy

[rapid vigil]

What are these daggers everyone keeps talking about

[spice spire]

Sylvanas loot table

[thorny pond]

the sylvanas ones

[spice spire]

They’re removed rn

[rapid vigil]

Waaa

[thorny pond]

Buggy on PTR

they are disabled

[rapid vigil]

Damn

[thorny pond]

They'll hopefully be fixed

but you can look them up on WoWhead easily

[long furnace]

you can get the new lego at week 3 right?

[thorny pond]

yes

[slender urchin]

What is the “sudden” conduit in the pins?

[thorny pond]

Sudden Fractures

Necro conduit

[odd hazel]

Sudden fractures

Necro conduit

[slender urchin]

Ahhh thank you. Was looking at Nadjia’s calculator and wondering why I didn’t see the conduit being referenced

[crimson crest]

does anyone know where does 200+ lashing scars drop?

[thorny pond]

sire

[crimson crest]

ty

[white tide]

hey guys, are there any sims for the domination socket gems and set bonuses ?

[thorny pond]

negative

[odd hazel]

Not yet

[white tide]

hmm ok, what is your opinion on the set bonuses, which ones you gonna aim for?

[slow marsh]

Doesn't really matter right now it'll be a few weeks before anyone has a few slots

[white tide]

thats true

[slow marsh]

The unholy was the obvious choice but I'm not sure now that they nerfed it

I'm sure there will be more balancing by the time you actually have that choice

[thorny pond]

3 damage ones, pick your favorite flavour for the rest really

Unholy sounds best

[slow marsh]

Yeah I'm sure it will still be best choice it'll just depend on tuning with frost I think. But yeah

More damage good

[thorny pond]

I mean for the utility ones there really is no wrong answer

If you feel your style of play or content you do is better, or you just prefer it, go for it

[lone wren]

hey guys a dumb question i wasn't around the first few months of shadowlands. How does catch up work as far as renown goes at start of a tier? say we get 5 renown per week, if you fall behind can you catch up by doing extra content or you will perpetually behind for a few weeks ?

[thorny pond]

You get renown up to current cap by doing content

Daily caches, dungeons and raids + campaign quests

[lone wren]

awesome so by doing some extra content you can get caught up. Thank you

[thorny pond]

New renown 41+ will require the quests/campaign like prior

and is gated to 3 per week

[lone wren]

say if you miss week 1, can you get 6 renown on week 2? or are you still gated to 3 per week?

[night prawn]

assa or outlaw for next raid ?

[hoary isle]

lol who plays outlow

[thorny pond]

You can always catch up to current

However the closer you are to cap, the rarer they are

[lone wren]

i see, thank you.

[thorny pond]

characters services are 33% off and I spent $60 on faction/server change this am before the sale, ffs

[lone wren]

dont they do price adjustment?

[thorny pond]

I put in a ticket but good luck getting good support easily

[pale fossil]

How long is that true?

[thorny pond]

especially because I am 200x more toxic to blizzard CS than I am in this channel @spice spire

[young nacelle]

that happened to me once and they offered to refund it as game time

[thorny pond]

I just want my money mang

[young nacelle]

they also offered a full refund but ye

[arctic hare]

I just want those daggers

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[arctic hare]

Haha!

[thorny pond]

?

[pale fossil]

Lol!

[arctic hare]

People were asking for sims

I delivered lol

[thorny pond]

hardly relevant anymore lol

[viscid spear]

I don't see a green prism above my head
Are we Sims?

[opaque mauve]

seeing obedience mentioned a lot , is this a conduit ?

[spice spire]

It’s a legendary available in 9.1

[thorny pond]

legendary

[opaque mauve]

Ah ty

[cerulean nest]

i bought three 235 cloaks, i'm necro with venth quest ready to go, im cool playing either sin or sub

am I chadding rn?

[opaque mauve]

going to be stronger than doomblade ?

[arctic hare]

Its supposed to be

[thorny pond]

check the pins

[opaque mauve]

ye i read them first

huge stonks etc 😛

[arctic hare]

Yeah lol

[echo geyser]

yeah i mean its only 3.5% better than doomblade

[simple stratus]

i dont think obediance makes it to mythic week

but we'll see i guess

[echo geyser]

im curious to see how marileth sims after the buffs

[strange silo]

we still get 2 renown for weekly stuff and for every big campaign quest? or just weekly now

[odd hazel]

Why? It’s not busted

[thorny pond]

Looks exactly like 9.0: 1+1 and campaign quest

[thorny pond]

Just the Korthia one replaces maw souls

[simple stratus]

seems not in line

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorny pond]

Rather they buff the under performing ones since obedience puts us basically where we need to be

[odd hazel]

Barely better

[simple stratus]

400 dps

is pretty big

[odd hazel]

Yes but not busted

[thorny pond]

Everyone is so negative about something slightly overperforming. 9-10% above no leggo SHOULD be the basis for a leggo\

[opaque mauve]

ye be nice to see us up there with the shadow priests

[primal quail]

most classes have legendaries in that range or above

[echo geyser]

we might just be fury warrior levels depending on daggers

[limber lion]

[simple stratus]

i agree, but comparatively to their current implementation, obedience seems an outlier. i want strong leggos but knowing how they do things, and it being a cov specific leggo, i dont have much faith in its permanence

[thorny pond]

Thanks Cev

[limber lion]

Gonna have to stop all the speculation right there.

No more talk about Obedience.

[echo geyser]

that guy above u is called it

[limber lion]

Feel free to talk about something else.

[echo geyser]

hes gone

[silent fossil]

@limber lion tricks is a dps cd this patch right

[simple stratus]

smoke bomb is our dps cd

[thorny pond]

It's patch day. General questions, memes or tomfoolerly please

[limber lion]

#assassination message

[silent fossil]

sus

[thorny pond]

I'll give 5k gold to whoever calls the correct server coming up time.

[echo geyser]

so how many of these +400 new messages is worth reading

[thorny pond]

Gotta be AStormrage

[simple stratus]

0

[odd hazel]

6pm est

[limber lion]

None.

[echo geyser]

i saw a lot of green

[spice spire]

Alliance

[echo geyser]

but i guess its the O-word again

[thorny pond]

5k gold to get pinged when they come back up versus checking myself is well worth it

[odd hazel]

I’m ally on storm so 6pm est

[thorny pond]

Be the first time ever they were correct lol

[delicate bone]

3% not bad

[proper halo]

we wasiting till next week to craft legendary right

[sturdy scarab]

Do we have a provisional BiS list ?

[silent fossil]

haste crit

[proper halo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16OHsHq0RG4cMfiTkGHn4qyMfRZjp2uZN_9_w29bH168/edit#gid=1369962072

[pale fossil]

[delicate bone]

bis list bad

no use

equip gear make dmg big

[sturdy scarab]

Oh my, that's massive. Thanks

[viscid spear]

I want to believe

I mean that would seriously piss off the Fury in my guild

[vestal wren]

the green on this page burned my eyes

i feel blind now

[limber lion]

Take it with massive grains of salt.

[spice spire]

Infexious in this holy channel

[silent fossil]

the one true tc omega god

[limber lion]

Already outdated.

[vestal wren]

i mean pins are also outdated already

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

Unlucky truly

[strange python]

stop using hate frogs

[spice spire]

???

[limber lion]

[plain thistle]

hate frogs?

[spice spire]

I too am confusion jhon

[drifting cloud]

old meme

[spice spire]

Enlighten - if possible

[signal turret]

is Dashing Scoundrel the go to leggo if i dont have any leggo yet for 9.1?

[limber lion]

No.

[viscid spear]

Was is it not ar-can-zas?

[signal turret]

what's the go to leggo then mate? 😄

[limber lion]

You should probably get MA as your first legendary, followed by Zoldyck if you do a lot of M+, or Doomblade if you're planning to raid.

[signal turret]

my main focus will be raiding

[limber lion]

Obedience is looking really good as well for raiding, but that's not available for 2 more weeks.

[signal turret]

little m+

[limber lion]

I would recommend just getting MA first and then Doomblade then.

[signal turret]

MA Stands for?

[limber lion]

Master Assassin's

[past mauve]

Deeper Stratagem is the choice if you are Venthyr but if you are Necro it would be more a personal choice correct?

[limber lion]

You can use that in M+, Torghast, the Maw, Korthia etc.

[empty hinge]

if i go to bed

what are the odds that nf sub will be bis tomorrow

[limber lion]

Yes, they sim quite similarly. EP/Vig pulls ahead with multiple targets, so it's often the better choice.

[empty hinge]

[limber lion]

Don't bet on it.

[signal turret]

Aight , so coventant would be Necrolord and leggo Master Assasins followed by Doomblade

[hollow oasis]

and what if i already have celerity for outlaw, should i still go MA then doomblade?

[empty hinge]

then i go to bed

[fleet anchor]

Also the other thing @balmy condor probably does actually need to re-run sims because of all the Soulbind tuning changes 😛

Some of them were pretty big

Also

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-catherine-o-hara-kate-mc-callister-pass-out-faint-gif-12025236

[spice spire]

Koji making whispyr mald live

[tacit wedge]

Why was a Infexious guide unironically linked here

[fleet anchor]

Kevin with that casual 2->6% buff and getting Mastery buff 100% of the time

[drifting cloud]

kevin propaganda

[fleet anchor]

Seemed pretty large when I did some quick tests last night but didn't have time for a comprehensive sim locally

[odd hazel]

Servers are live

[dull cloak]

i only get my rogue info from infexious

[odd hazel]

Why though

[spice spire]

@thorny pond servers up

[dull cloak]

because he is best rogue /s

[thorny pond]

you can get 5k from me

thank you

[spice spire]

Get scammed Krey

[tacit wedge]

That was the shittiest bait ever and you bite for it @odd hazel wtf

[odd hazel]

You think I was serious

[spice spire]

Krey’s a huge troll never listen to them

[tacit wedge]

Ok

[grizzled trail]

infexious from infexious gaming is where i get all my rogue content

[thorny pond]

I Love Krey

[spice spire]

Also @thorny pond give it to @odd hazel they got it first

Plus they can actually collect

[thorny pond]

PM me krey

[final star]

nerf doomblade it's 3% better than deathly shadows

[spice spire]

True

[odd hazel]

Quake is just mad he’s not a Op mecha

[spice spire]

I made you 5k richer

[split grail]

What's the blank cloak legendary called?

[odd hazel]

I love you big brother quake

[final star]

armour > miscellaneous > back

[tacit wedge]

Armour>miscellaneous>runecarving

[violet hemlock]

Hey quick question, do we know what changing leggos does to ur progress on the new questline

[odd hazel]

Wanna know something funny quake?

My gnomes name is 💯

[delicate bone]

what missives for doomblade and/or obedience?

[odd hazel]

Crit/haste or crit/verse if you plan to play sub

[spice spire]

I feel like that’s horrifying

[odd hazel]

Kràtos

[violet hemlock]

if u only play sin crit haste if u play sub vers crit on obedience

[spice spire]

Oh

I knew that though lmao

[odd hazel]

Lololol

[spice spire]

You linked sims one day, nerd

[odd hazel]

Nerd

I wanna hit top 100 this season, be with the big bois

[spice spire]

You can do it

[odd hazel]

Oh

That boomy went monk @gusty mirage

[odd hazel]

I hope so, I’m gonna aim for mythic clear atleast

[subtle gyro]

we live!

[spice spire]

You got it papi, gotta find a good guild

[odd hazel]

They are saying they are gonna get more serious so hope I don’t have to hop

[signal turret]

1 stupid question , if i Envenom a target that already haves a Envenom dot on him , am i wasting my Envenom or they stack in top of each other?

[odd hazel]

Refreshing

[hollow river]

If you pool energy for envenoms I don’t think you should overlap

[fallow glacier]

Envenom is a buff on you

Not a dot on the enemy

[signal turret]

Yea my bad

I mean the buff

[fallow glacier]

It overlaps, but it shouldn't matter too much

[signal turret]

so if i have (for example) 3 secs remaining on my current buff

[hollow river]

I’m thinking of EP buff maybe

[fallow glacier]

Envenom buff is fairly neglible

[signal turret]

and i have the option to execute another Envenom

i better wat that 3 seconds?

[hollow river]

Nah

[oak sky]

Dont think about the buff

[hollow river]

Just pool to max -30 energy for envenoms outside of shiv

[oak sky]

Just pool energy to around 80 between envenoms

80%

[hollow river]

Max -30 is what I’ve always heard here

[oak sky]

Yea

[hollow river]

140 with vigor

[signal turret]

wdym by pool -30?

[hollow river]

Let your energy regen

[oak sky]

Like 30 below max energy

[signal turret]

ahhh

okay

[hollow river]

To 30 less than max capacity

[signal turret]

yea i wait to cast envenom a bit so i get a little energy back

otherwise i waste buff and have downtime on rotation

[hollow river]

Ye

[signal turret]

kk

[hollow river]

Just helps maximize buff uptime and makes it easier to hit your bleeds when you need to so your not starved when you need to recast bleeds etc

Mainly for ST. Changes a bit on cleave.

Because you shouldn’t be starved easily if executing cleave correctly.

[signal turret]

yea when i popped cds i was feeling like i was wasting energy

by insta casting the finisher

i just moved from outlaw trying to figure it out

[oak sky]

When you have cds up you dont pool tho

Like vendetta flag shiv

[hollow river]

Thought it was only shiv

[worthy moth]

how long is the difference between necro and venthyr for assassination?

[hollow river]

Idk about flag at all really

[final star]

[signal turret]

also on 3+ mobs i just spam Crimson Tempest right?

[fleet anchor]

Envenom pandemic refreshes now. It didn't at the start of SL, but it's fixed now.

[hollow river]

No you don’t spam CT

[signal turret]

on a dungeon scenario

[hollow river]

Never spam it

Just keep the dot up

[signal turret]

yea dot is like 12 seconds right?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[signal turret]

i have a wa for it

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/#legendary

this is updated?

[foggy ember]

Pooling is hard for me I really just have to press something

[signal turret]

thats what im following for now

[hollow river]

Pandemic is like 3 seconds?

[violet hemlock]

30%

[hollow river]

Close enough

[final star]

pandemic is 30% of the duration you're applying

[hollow river]

I know

[final star]

[hollow river]

I mean for 5 cp CT

[oak sky]

Its 4 ish seconds i think

[worthy moth]

cant understand the pins but thanks for remind me to check the fucking pins

[hollow river]

Between 3 and 4

[hollow river]

What do you need help understanding friend

?

[violet hemlock]

If u dont understand the pins the quick answer is they are pretty dma close so play what ur comfortable with

[worthy moth]

just still dont understand if necro or venthyr, just numbers there

[hollow river]

The difference between necro and Venthyr?

[fallow glacier]

Higher number more damage

Lower number less damage

[silent fossil]

one shoots boners and the other is a bdsm king

pick one

[hollow river]

And everything is still shaky with sims

[violet hemlock]

Venth is better ST and Necro better Cleave but they are both not far apart

[hollow river]

Kind of preliminary prepatch estimations of what will be best

If you want to play 2 specs you’ve got 3 good choices for running 2 specs

[violet hemlock]

my aadvice if u are one of the 2 covenants rn is to stay that cov while starting the swap quest and then only choose come mythic week

[hollow river]

Necro assa, outlaw. Venthyr sub,assa. Kyrian sub, outlaw

[violet hemlock]

Come mythic week we'll know more

[worthy moth]

im at 38 renown necro rn

i can swap to venthyr

[odd hazel]

Never go kyrian

Fuck kyrian

[violet hemlock]

never played venth?

[worthy moth]

9.0

[mossy mulch]

i think ventyr is the best option, only 100 dps diff in cleave an 500+ dps in ST

and same lagendary for sub

"with diff stats" but same legendary

[worthy moth]

i will venthyr then

sounds good

[hollow river]

Any of that can change

[violet hemlock]

but if u wanna play sub venth is highly recomended

[mossy mulch]

yes

[worthy moth]

assassination pve

[mossy mulch]

but if you wanna play outlaw / sin better necro

[hollow river]

Necro is fine for sin

[odd hazel]

Just stay one and do the change quest but don’t turn it in

[mossy mulch]

necro is fine too

[worthy moth]

venthyr has better conduits

and powers

[candid mountain]

So for Assassination I stay Venythr?

[mossy mulch]

or necro

[candid mountain]

I chose Venythr first.

[mossy mulch]

ventyr in Single target is better than necro by far

but not in cleave

[hollow river]

Only in pure ST

[mossy mulch]

but

[odd hazel]

With obedience it’s not far behind

[candid mountain]

What about for raids?

[worthy moth]

actually with the haste i can do better in aoe

[hollow river]

[mossy mulch]

for raid venth

forr pvp necro i guess

[hollow river]

Necro is better in aoe

[candid mountain]

Ahhh ok.

[worthy moth]

but if i want to do both in the same scale

M+ and raid

what then

[hollow river]

Either

[signal turret]

if you plan serious m+ you want outlaw

and outlaw best covenant is necro

[hollow river]

You can use any spec for serious m+

[worthy moth]

outlaw makes me sick

[signal turret]

ofc but outlaw is insane rn

[worthy moth]

i dont like it

[hollow river]

How is it insane

[signal turret]

it haves insane aoe

[hollow river]

So does sub

And sin ain’t bad either

[odd hazel]

You can do serious keys as sin

Let’s not lie to people

[violet hemlock]

well depends on ur definition of serious

[odd hazel]

Nah

[hollow river]

If you’re pushing world first 26s sure you want law

[oak sky]

Sin can prob do anything outside wf/mdi keys

[terse talon]

isn't vent outlaw pretty good in m+ anyway for tyrannical weeks? (just trying to convince myself to roll vent tomorrow)

[violet hemlock]

Just roll venth...

[oak sky]

Venth sub might be really good in m+ as well

[odd hazel]

Let’s not tell people just because world first does it

[hollow river]

You can switch back whenever

[violet hemlock]

I love how much nitpicking goes on about this when its moot, just play what ya wanna

[hollow river]

^

[signal turret]

by serious i mean top keys and people are going outlaw rn at least thats what i saw

[odd hazel]

Because they follow the meta

[signal turret]

but i bet you can do it with other specs aswell

[odd hazel]

Sin can do just as much as it can

[violet hemlock]

top keys didnt run rogues... like look at jpc playing shaman

[hollow river]

And priest

[signal turret]

i mean you just have to check raider io

[hollow river]

.....

[signal turret]

look at the top keys done by outlaw rogues and then look at the other specs

[hollow river]

#outlaw

[violet hemlock]

If I wanna time 15s I could realistically play necro surv hunter

[signal turret]

its just a suggestion im not saying i have the truth , just what i see man xD

dont be mad =p

[worthy moth]

can we all ban all meta slaves?

[odd hazel]

Not mad but top keys isn’t always the answer

Outlaw won’t magically make you a god

[hollow river]

They only run outlaw because gouge and shroud

[signal turret]

ofcourse not

im not saying playing outlaw will make you a better player by any means man

pick player not spec

[hollow river]

Damage has been comparable to sin

[oak sky]

Outlaw has gouge and acrobatic strikes but sin damage is plenty i think, totally fine for almost any level of keys

[regal cape]

Has rogue discord been on fire all day over covenant FOMO

[odd hazel]

Yes

[hollow river]

All of them have been

[regal cape]

Cause I feel like I woke up to the same stuff I'm now reading after work.

[violet hemlock]

just something to do while saving aardenweld

[spice spire]

Statistically the highest key a sin rogue has done is a 25, while outlaw has done many higher

[warped moon]

😩😩

[spice spire]

Outlaw is better than sin for m+, this isn’t news. But sin is great for 99% of the population if they prefer

[vestal wren]

its been quite a bit sadly, we should probably look to shut those kind of discussions down as they wen ton for far to long

[mortal pike]

Just wanted to double check before I craft, I was told cloak is th emove for doomblade now?

[split grail]

Just confirming before I craft. Doomblade on cloak for ST?

[mortal pike]

LOL

[split grail]

lol

[violet hemlock]

u can wait till u get dom socket on hands or do it rn

[spice spire]

Doomblade is the play unless your venthyr. And if you are it’s obedience atm

Both are on cloak

[split grail]

ty

[odd hazel]

Is finality still on chest ?

Or is it also cloak

[violet hemlock]

check pins in sub...

[oak sky]

I think theres like 5 leggos on cloak now

[spice spire]

Chest is a dom socket iirc

[odd hazel]

[violet hemlock]

ye chest has a socket

I checked in game

feels good to say that

[spice spire]

So yeah it’s probably cloak

[oak sky]

Iirc kyrian, venth, doomblade, dashing, and finality are all cloak

[hollow river]

It’s all cloaks now boiz

[violet hemlock]

basically cloaks or jewlery

[oak sky]

Or legs

[modern fiber]

So I guess Obedience is new BIS for venthyr assassination

[sand plume]

I don't think I saw it in pins: what stats do we put on doomblade cloak as necroboi?

[balmy condor]

haste/crit

[sand plume]

word ty

[hollow river]

tbc hype tbc hype

[sand plume]

forgot to buy the missives before patch day.. hope they're not too expensive lol

got the base item though, so atleast I remembered that

[foggy ember]

Any advice for min maxing damage on trash packs as Sin? I'm watching ryfie maintaing 9k+ overall and I can barely keep up 7.5k

[red plaza]

also you should be fine if you made or still ahve doomblade on shoulders/gloves. Small chance of getting a domination socket gear and even then it'll only be for a short while until you can craft Obidience

[fleet anchor]

It's mostly about balancing your energy regen via multi-dots vs. Crimson Tempest

[sand plume]

I do not. Played druid most of last tier, so I had no sin legos.

[fleet anchor]

If you get too energy starved your AoE rotation kinda falls apart as Assassination

[spice spire]

Shouldn’t get starved tbh

[fleet anchor]

Indeed, but a common issue I see is people dumping their energy too soon before establishing bleeds, or letting their bleeds fall off during a dump cycle

Then being stuck at no energy with no dots up for ages

[spice spire]

Ahh, that feels bad. But once you get the hang it’s pretty easy to handle 🙂

[hollow river]

r3 cloaks are 3k and r4 cloaks are 60k

[foggy ember]

Do you prioritize getting ur bonespikes up asap or make sure your 5-6 bleeds up first

[hollow river]

may aswell craft r3's for now eh?

[fleet anchor]

Bonespike is a cheap generator, it lets you get your first Rupture or Ruptures up pretty fast

If using MA, I'd probably SBS out of Stealth into Garrote, if using Subterfuge you'll want to Garrote first

But yeah, imo it's all about getting a feel for how to get a few bleeds up and get things rolling

Once you establish energy regen it's just about keeping CT and dots up

The flip side to that is that once you do get your energy regen established

Assassination is basically GCD locked

So you also need to minimize your downtime and button press gaps

[heady drum]

How reliable is Icy-Veins for rogue?

[placid adder]

3 m0s at renown 35 0/3

[balmy condor]

very

[spice spire]

King

[foggy ember]

How about envemons? Just use to maintain SnD and mostly focus bleeds?

[spice spire]

Mid stream coming through with answers

[fleet anchor]

It's maintained by Ashine so it should be reasonable. Wowhead is maintained by Mystler. Guides should be decent regardless of where you go.

[terse talon]

Zold still on pants?

[spice spire]

Yes

[fleet anchor]

Or is Assassination by Seli?

[tulip nacelle]

ye seli

[fleet anchor]

Either way doesn't matter, IV should be solid

[spice spire]

Sin is by seli iirc

[tulip nacelle]

ashine has sub

[spice spire]

I was very confused haha

[sand plume]

Is the vendor for soul ash transfer in Korthia or Torghast?

Getting conflicting info from who I've asked so far

[odd hazel]

It’s in korthia from what I remember

[jolly comet]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sand plume]

Ty

[cerulean nest]

elvui is absolutely abysmal right now lol

i cant use my buttons

[violet hemlock]

mine sworking perfect

downloaded 9.1 verison before patch release

[cerulean nest]

I did too but its erasing my keybinds constantly

[violet hemlock]

u sure it isnt a conflicty between mutliple addons

[cerulean nest]

i mean im sure it is

[violet hemlock]

casuse I have basicaly only elv and was enabled

WAs*

[short chasm]

So how would renown catchup work tomorrow?

If I'm still renown 25 tomorrow on my necro

[drifting cloud]

its probably just 100% drop from everywhere and might drop from things it didnt before

dont think we really have an exact idea of how it works

[violet hemlock]

They said something about multiple droping at once

[coral imp]

!deathly

[prisma monolith]

Deathly Shadows Prepull macro: /use vanish /equipset SubUse case: Getting 5 cp and the deathly shadow buff (+20% damage for 15 secs) without using the Deathly Shadow legendary during the fight.
Requirements: Deathly Shadow equipped, a equipmentset with the same name you use in your macro that uses a diffrent legendary item.

[grim tangle]

I got 3 renown from the world boss

[hoary fulcrum]

Is venth the way to go now, bc of obedience?

[scenic osprey]

whats flagellation's actual cd when using venthyr lego ?

[tulip nacelle]

around 1:05 to 1:10 iirc

[scenic osprey]

is that siming higher than doomblade ST now?

[lone wren]

in case people don't know, do NOT open your vault. it's bugged blizzard is asking people not to open

[scenic osprey]

lol is it giving S2 gears?

[lone wren]

no idea

but you know what

im gonna open it on my alt

to see

hold on

[scenic osprey]

they will delete it

[tepid wing]

it's giving 220 ilvl to some people that completed a 14/15 for the week.

[scenic osprey]

ah lol

[lone wren]

not that exciting of a bug then

although the game is telling me my GC driver is out dated ....i have a 3090 ...and it was fine yesterday

[velvet nacelle]

@lone wren no offense, but i hate you

i got a ps5 and xbox but couldn't get a 3090 so maybe i shouldn't complain

[orchid elk]

which slot is better to have obedience on?

[lucid meteor]

Cloak

[lone wren]

dont hate me, i need it for work its totally overkill for gaming,

[arctic hare]

Yeah, wait, a 3090 for work?

Graphic designer I’m guessing

[lone wren]

character artist

[arctic hare]

Ahhhhh okay, yeah, I can see that

Sounds interesting

[viscid spear]

PC probably can't measure the girth properly, lol

[arctic hare]

lol

I personally have a 3070 for gaming, so I’m good

[indigo ginkgo]

turn off auto dect

[viscid spear]

I'm still trying to score a PS5, I don't even want to think about getting a GPU right now

[arctic hare]

lol, yeah, ps5 is probably cheaper than the 3070’s and above rn

Or, maybe not

[cerulean nest]

ah venthyr

my old flame

[lone wren]

question ...if i go venthyr right now am i required to buy all the twilight books?

[arctic hare]

The heck is a twilight book?

[winged basin]

hey has anyone found the vendor for trading soul ash.

[strange python]

I opened my vault, no issues there.

[finite sail]

Is there a WA that tracks how many CPs you get from your next b-spike?

[velvet nacelle]

@lone wren yeah i'm not too worried about it yet, my machine is more than good enough for gaming

also, do you not already have the twilight books?

THOSE BOOKS ARE A ONCE IN A GENERATION CLASSIC

lord of the rings was a story about doing the right thing in the face of adversity (and walking)

twilight is a story about "i wish i had a boyfriend"

basically the same thing

but i need to get back to reading the pins since i took like six months off

[lone wren]

where do you go to change your covenant in 9.1? none of the npcs speak to you in oribs now

[tight cloud]

You have to get to a certain point in the campaign

And given that the campaign is bugged atm as far as I’m aware

Might be difficult

[fleet anchor]

Story: "All the Covenants will work together to fight against The Jailer! Necrolords will assist Ardenweald and defend the realm!"

Gameplay: "Yo, jerk. Go do 20 M+ runs and prove your worth to me."

🤣

Covenant swapping made little sense in the 9.0 story and even less sense in 9.1 haha

[lone wren]

Lmao so true

[viral meadow]

Holy moly, is Sub back on the menu boys?

[lone wren]

hard to tell since the game is not even playable right now

massive lag for everyone

[tidal gorge]

Honestly, covenants make little sense anyway. Thanks maw walker for saving us, but you're friends with those dudes over there so we won't let you help us anymore even though you spent the entire story campaign helping each of us in turn.

[fleet anchor]

I can't believe you would go help those people I'm sworn to protect

Big F in chat

[odd hazel]

@thorny pond thanks for the gold friendo

[thorny pond]

😄

[manic igloo]

i assume if im Venthyr i make the obedience leggo when we unlock it?

[odd hazel]

if it stays the way it is yes

its good in ST and good in M+

[manic igloo]

how many weeks till we get it? its tied to covenant renown right?

[odd hazel]

3 weeks

well

week 3

[limber lion]

Yes, it unlocks mythic week.

[spice spire]

Beach, truly a king of his word

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

[chrome widget]

Anyone simming in here yet.. If I scroll up XD

[hollow river]

[velvet nacelle]

tons of info in pins

i've been reading it while i've been lagging out of retail

it's fantastic

[chrome widget]

I meant live simming but that'll work thank you

[hollow river]

?

[spice spire]

Whispyr was but he’s in lag he’ll 9.1 rn 🙂

[velvet nacelle]

i'm kinda mad i didn't max out my soul ash before today

should have known better

[hollow river]

why?

[velvet nacelle]

but i just hated torghast so much

i dunno why i said that past tense

why what? why didn't i max it or why would i care to have it maxed?

[hollow river]

why did you care to

we have to do it anyway to get cinders

[velvet nacelle]

actually let me lead into that with another question: did they reset it?

oh new currency, gotcha

[hollow river]

i don't think they reset ash

[velvet nacelle]

i didn't know, i've been out of the wow loop for like three months

[hollow river]

you still need it for r1-4

and cinders for r5-6

[velvet nacelle]

my guild stalled hard at council and i just didn't care to struggle with them with our dps parsing all greys

[balmy condor]

we have pins on 9.1 stuff

little bit out of date, but close enough

[velvet nacelle]

i'm kinda sad that we're still using doomblade

[balmy condor]

we aren't

[chrome widget]

@balmy condor thank you.

[velvet nacelle]

the pinned post from 6/17 says it, i didnt' see anything more current in the pins

but you saying that is all i need for now

[balmy condor]

the sims above that

are way way more recent

[balmy condor]

I honestly forgot that I had a pin that far down

[velvet nacelle]

oh you mean the link in the most recent pin that i completely overlooked? gotcha

[placid adder]

i did battle of ardenwald but didnt get the renown from the quest? is that catch up or bug?

im 40

[balmy condor]

none of the 9.1 questline has renown attached as far as I know

at least not the stuff this week

[placid adder]

ok i was 35 grinded 0s got 40 and held that quest ok\

[balmy condor]

oh you mean the campaign stuff

pretty sure that's capped yeah

[sick cairn]

can anyone confirm that premade leggos will get slots? i dont wanna have to recraft a leggo

[chrome widget]

In certain slots they will yes?

Once they're upgraded? Someone call me crazy?

[fallow glacier]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-announces-gem-sockets-for-all-eligible-legendaries-including-upgraded-323109

[violet hemlock]

My leggos still have no sockets

[hollow river]

when you upgrade them

they are added

[balmy condor]

they don't just get sockets

you have to upgrade

[violet hemlock]

aah k

[chrome widget]

^

[hollow river]

if it is on a socket gear slot

[sick cairn]

i have to upgrade?

[hollow river]

yep

[sick cairn]

not flat out craft into rank 5?

i mean 4

[hollow river]

any new leggo

[fallow glacier]

Either

[hollow river]

or upgraded old one

[sick cairn]

crit haste cape right? doomblade?>

where does zoldyck go?

[balmy condor]

legs

[sick cairn]

crit haste as well?

[brittle garnet]

Should I still craft my doomblade on back?

[spice spire]

Yes to both

[brittle garnet]

Thanks

[spice spire]

But only if you’re not venthyr on the Doomblade

Obedience seems to be much strong than db

[brittle garnet]

Im venth

[lone wren]

Are these sims the most recent data? Or obedience is summing higher now than that chart?

[brittle garnet]

Ill look into that thanks for the info

[spice spire]

Obedience may be simming higher - but this was done pretty recently

[balmy condor]

that's the newest

I have to rerun for poison bug

but it's good enough

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I went with his advice and went necro due outlaw/assa.. Won't ever play sub. Like he said in the pin.. Don't think you can go wrong. Great info there. First time here. Appreciate what you guys do

[foggy ember]

Isn't venth straight up the play if it's only 20dps lower than necro in that dungeon slice?

[balmy condor]

obedience is very strong, yes

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He didn't say no lol damn it

[hasty crater]

What is stat prio actually ?

[velvet nacelle]

sub is fun for a while, gets repetitive i think

[violet hemlock]

I mean any spec gets repetitive

[velvet nacelle]

fair, but i feel like sub gets there faster

[violet hemlock]

maybe

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like i have more "calls" to make in assassination

whereas sub is just a rhythm game

[viscid spear]

Send it to voicemail

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I think that's subjective but fair

[violet hemlock]

Well if u mythic prog raid u quickly realise how repetitive a spec can get

[hasty crater]

What is the stat prio for sin ? Cant find any in pins

[velvet nacelle]

@viscid spear hah

oh god i dont' want to talk about mythic prog

9 months of 9.0 and we only went 6/10

[viscid spear]

Mine can't even Mythic progress because people don't care enough

[velvet nacelle]

mythic prog without CE being the goal is... frustrating

[tidal gorge]

We found out this tier that 2-day CE prog is challenging unless everyone is really good. It took too long to progress SLG and Sire and that burned out a decent chunk of people. We got it, but the cost kinda sucked

[viscid spear]

I really did get 3 Renown from World Boss, jeez

[frail fossil]

can u now skip the cov campaign quests ?

i think blizz said smth abt that

[velvet nacelle]

2 day is fine, honestly it's ideal

but you can't have many weak links, yeah

i mean we were on council for like a month before i stopped and people still couldn't figure out the recital

[tidal gorge]

Ya, the main problem with it is reclears take a huge chunk of your time unless you 1-shot everything. You can bear that cost as a 3-day guild. So you just end up extending for like 2-3 months when you get to the end

[velvet nacelle]

oh with 2 day you gotta start extending early

honestly last tier it shouldn't have been a big deal, everyone was like 224 before we even downed hungering

reclear is too much of a gamble on 2 day guilds imo

some days we 1 shot everything, other day swe'd spend the night on darkveini

[lone wren]

2daysva week raiding is frustrating in another sense too. Most those guilds start extending after a few weeks, and given my shit luck with loot, I'd be 9/10m without any of the gear lol

[velvet nacelle]

it was always darkvein too haha

[umbral rapids]

huh? 3 levels in one boss ? what renown were you ? please @ me ily ty

[hollow river]

wonder if the LFG daggers are gonna be worth farming rofl

[viscid spear]

22, then I was 25

[velvet nacelle]

@lone wren yeah but last tier there were so many (arguably better) sources of loot

[umbral rapids]

that's actually sick what the fuck @viscid spear

[velvet nacelle]

m+ and pvp was way more rewarding than raiding was

[lone wren]

Yeah I didn't play this last tier, I was speaking generally specially in bfa

[velvet nacelle]

though they did buff raid drops at some point

but even then, other than higher ilvl of SLG or sire or a specific trinket, the raid wasn't anything special for loot