assassination

[rotund oak]

at least on 9.0.5

[humble ginkgo]

yup

[warm portal]

you guys stacking Crit/Vers for M+ ?

[humble ginkgo]

im suprised i managed to get my vers so low between outlaw and sin

but my mastery still so high

[winged basin]

Ignore the pvp trinket, I have 226 shadowghast with my phial

[rotund oak]

233 dreadfire although the wpns..

[winged basin]

24% crit 25% haste yummy yummy

[humble ginkgo]

I mean I got a 233 token

I took sword because it simmed higher

but I shouldve taken dagger

since dagger is better for sin and good on outlaw aswell

[rotund oak]

ye,exactly

[humble ginkgo]

regrinding another phial next tier

plaguefall prison, torghast prison

[rotund oak]

2 weeks from now,poxstorm+phial+head+legs must be a given

[winged basin]

It took me 41 runs to get the phial I got yesterday

I got phial and hoa neck yesterday

[warm portal]

i like plaguefall

[tacit wedge]

Plaguefall is comfy

Plaguefall/Mists/DoS are kinda no-brainers

[balmy condor]

Pins use highest setup

[humble ginkgo]

Mist is the only dungeon I am willing to spam

bc its fun

[umbral rapids]

plaguefall with 8 borers gonna be super fun

[tacit wedge]

Spammed it a good 50 times to get changling on my warlock

Did valor farm at the same time

[viscid spear]

So the next M+ season starts next week?

[umbral rapids]

july 6th

[viscid spear]

Cool cool

[tacit wedge]

And tomorrow/wednesday is 9.1 launch?

[viscid spear]

And the affix is like the obelisk affix from last expansion?

[tacit wedge]

Cool cool

[tacit wedge]

Kinda yes

4 lieutenant, their position changed based on week, each one of them drops a set of anima

[dark crag]

Is the affix active next week?

[cerulean nest]

which anima powers look good for us?

from those guys

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so

But maybe?

[azure bronze]

season 2 with the new affix will be 6th/7th july

[viscid spear]

So the location changing is different, that's good.
Wonder if it's a set rotation of where they are and how long until it rotates back to the start of the rotation.

[glass matrix]

Is it a bug that only one rogue can apply the debuff from the sylvanas daggers?

[olive night]

we are the chosen ones

[loud light]

almost certainly, but they also disabled the proc on ptr so right now they don't do anything

[glass matrix]

ah ok, i hope they fix that problem. we are 2 rogues maybe 3 in the main roster at the moment. if not pre pull inc 😉

[paper cairn]

3 rogues

[quartz iris]

Does COS negate the chains mechanic on tarragrue?

[glass matrix]

i guess the third must stay mage. but he prefers rogue^^

[gusty breach]

24% haste O_O

holyfuck

[odd hazel]

I’m at 21%

[humble ginkgo]

[dapper solar]

it is not active

[odd hazel]

So will we still have pride till then ?

[dapper solar]

yes

[paper cairn]

new M+ season isn't until raid starts

[gusty breach]

yapyap

[rugged knot]

im thinking about Assa Rogue with Necro Covenant

what you think ? is it perfect ?

in raid / dungeons

[shy dust]

It’s the 2nd best st covenant for assa

But necro is probably better for m+

The pins can show you more information

[echo mantle]

So for venthyr is Theotar just a dead soulbind now for m+?

[quartz iris]

@paper cairn The boss will cast an enrage that should be immediately removed by a Druid, Hunter, or Rogue ( Fury of the Ages). Just found that.

[empty hound]

If you loot spec outlaw and daggers still drop?

Can*

[echo mantle]

@empty hound nope. Check dungeon journal and swap specs there to see specifics. It's nice for seeing possible drops for m+

[empty hound]

👌

[copper pine]

Hey what will be the best covenant just for raiding ?

Still venth ?

i saw jpc want to go necro

[gusty mirage]

[copper pine]

Yes i saw the pins ^^ Lashing also better for m+ ? Oo

[copper hazel]

refer to comment above yours

[dry void]

are the daggers disabled on PTR? cant seem to proc it for half an hour. attacking random mobs and not dummy

[plain thistle]

yes

[dry void]

Sadge

[copper pine]

So stay on Necro should be also finefor raiding when i understand it right

[copper hazel]

yep

[cyan dew]

Guys, what's the best race for rogue? How much of a % is it for the worst?

[south belfry]

mechagnome

[plain thistle]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t26-assassination

[cyan dew]

for horde. xD

[cyan dew]

ty

[odd hazel]

I mean you said best

[plain thistle]

small difference and changes a little bit for ST or dungeon slice

[gusty breach]

amazin, i cant stop watching that animation

[cyan dew]

yeah eyah, mb. : P

[odd hazel]

#mechamasterrace

[south belfry]

Said no one ever

[odd hazel]

The sims say it

[south belfry]

True, but who would want to play mechagnome

[odd hazel]

Apparently people here should considering how many people care about 2%

[harsh anchor]

Diaper babies will rock your world

[balmy condor]

He’s going venth btw

[frosty bridge]

YEP

DOOMBLADE TIME

And the Obediance when it's avaliable etc

[raw dagger]

imagine not joining the vamp daddies

[south belfry]

One of us one of us

His rogue is already Venthyr

[swift grotto]

wait is that sim correct is venth with obi 400 dps ahead of anything necro can do

[viscid spear]

bois

[swift grotto]

thats a rip

[balmy condor]

Yes

[south belfry]

Thats a win

[swift grotto]

I swapped from ven to Nec a couple weeks ago to get my M+ on

[south belfry]

Such is life

[swift grotto]

4 percent isnt small

[south belfry]

Did you do m+ as sin

[swift grotto]

no

outlaw

[south belfry]

Outlaw necro will probably still be the play

For m+

[swift grotto]

Yea, im just wondering if I swap back for raid

im sin for raid

[weary marten]

How long does it take to go back to a covenant ?

[south belfry]

2 resets

afaik

[rose raft]

Is there an faq channel for assassination?

[weary marten]

so i could wait next week sims, and decide to change in 7 or 8 days ?

[rose raft]

or just pins?

[weary marten]

pins

[fallen arch]

Do you know his reasoning?

I mean, he usually focusses m+ no?

Or is it for prog first only

[south belfry]

Venthyr for prog

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[fallen arch]

Ah right

[balmy condor]

Venth prog

[fallen arch]

Might as well do the same

[weary marten]

venth requires obedience though ? m+ or ST

[rose raft]

for the ambush talent at 15, should I just macro like this

#showtooltip
/cast Ambush
/cast Mutilate

Would that work?

[edgy cosmos]

Anyone know the icon path for cimson tempest>? for WA could look something like this Interface\Icons\Ability_Rogue_Rupture but Interface\Icons\Ability_Rogue_Crimson_Tempest isnt it

[weary marten]

if you don't plan to press this specific button during vanish cuz it'll ambush and you may want mutilate

[edgy cosmos]

nm i got it

[swift grotto]

even without obedience ven is better

[rose raft]

You want to mutilate during vanish?

[swift grotto]

just not as much

[rose raft]

man i have a lot to learn

[weary marten]

in ST you do, mutilate crit = 4 CP

[plain thistle]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[weary marten]

i didn't remind of !mut, thanks

[rose raft]

So have Mutilate on my stealth bar and that macro on my non-stealth bar?

[weary marten]

you could yeah i guess

[rose raft]

Alright

tyty

[balmy condor]

It will not

We actually have ANOTHER bot command for that

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[swift grotto]

has anyone figured out if its going to be different then 3 renown per week?

[odd hazel]

What ?

[thorny pond]

3

[odd hazel]

It does not “require” obedience

[swift grotto]

it just gets way better with obedience

[odd hazel]

We won’t have it until week 3 any way

So

That is also not “required” still

[main mauve]

Am I still fine and beautiful if I'm still Nightfae

[odd hazel]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Gorgeous baby

[main mauve]

That's what I like to hear

[rose raft]

Ah fuckin hell. Alright. I thought it would since both are on GCD, but one can only be used with a proc

I would imagine it'd skip over ambush if not usable but I guess not

[balmy condor]

That’s how you get 1 button macros on cooldown classes like warrior

[red plaza]

Yep, we’ll have Obedience for Mythic week which is nice

[pure sinew]

I wish

Warrior would definitely have 1 button macros

[safe whale]

I'm suffering trying to get caught up on renown, I'm at like 28 rn and did ten dungeons with no renown drops yesterday 😢

[pure sinew]

At 28 get started on campaign

[red plaza]

The real question is what stats do you put on obedience if you want to m+ and raid as Sub and Sin

[safe whale]

I did the campaign early on

[odd hazel]

Crit haste as always

Or crit/vers I guess

[balmy condor]

I would Crit vers

[slow marsh]

I see whta you did there

[weary marten]

i heard that raid will have some cleave, so is venthyr giving such an edge that we forgot the deathspike advantage ?

[slow marsh]

I feel smrt

[odd hazel]

Death spike is Garbo

[slow marsh]

deathspike dead

but venthyr is still going to have an edge imo

[red plaza]

Lol yeah, crit for sure. I guess putting vers on it would make it more........versatile

[slow marsh]

We will pretty much just be bleeding the few adds that pop then go right back to boss

It's very ST heavy

Even eyeball fight you just kill the one eyeball add, it's not really cleave

Kt is the only 'add' fight

And even then you just go under and ST dps the soul thing

[odd hazel]

Just be like inerva and tunnel boss and bleed add for energy

[slow marsh]

yep

So you will probs get more overall dps in fights going necro, but it's pad damage more than meaningful add damage imo

Which is not a bad spot to be

[weary marten]

Tbh i kinda liked venthyr, so i don't mind switching back to it but i will wait next week opinions and new sims to be sure of my choice

[slow marsh]

good idea

[odd hazel]

I’d be surprised if necro pulled ahead.

But it wouldn’t be a bad idea like Ice said

[weary marten]

how long does it take to do half the "quest" to switch back to a covenant ?

if i happen to start tuesday 6th of July, can i do enough for the wednesday ?

[subtle gyro]

thinking im going back Venth myself. The first soulbind to me looks unmatched from the Necros 3rd.

[harsh anchor]

Could do the first quest today and have it ready for whenever you want to do the 2nd

[obsidian aurora]

I’m planning on switching to necro, currently venth. Should I wait til tomorrow or switch now?

[weary marten]

@harsh anchor if i do this, i'm still considered necro for the time being ? i'm not in a kind of "no covenant spot" ?

[harsh anchor]

AFAIK, and from what I read, yes

[weary marten]

why would you do this ?

[south belfry]

Depends on how quickly you want to switch

[subtle gyro]

still considered

[obsidian aurora]

@weary marten isn’t necro the covenent to play in 9.1?

[odd hazel]

Where do you see this ?

[obsidian aurora]

@south belfry asap, want to be fully ready for season 2

[odd hazel]

Currently sims show they are both good to play, venth ST and necro any time a add comes

[harsh anchor]

Highly doubt if you did your first switch quest, you’d be covenantless for a week. Think blizz would implode from the forums complaining

[south belfry]

You need 2 resets so start the quest asap

[odd hazel]

You aren’t covenant less ever

[south belfry]

And do first part asap

[balmy condor]

You have to turn in your second quest

[tiny ember]

Whispyr when sim stream ?

[fading adder]

do we start the new renown quests @ reset

[obsidian aurora]

@odd hazel I also run m+ as assa so I’m thinking necro would be best?

[odd hazel]

If you want yes, but venth is viable

[weary marten]

until tomorrow/wednesday yes

[obsidian aurora]

@odd hazel

[odd hazel]

Yes ?

I mean

Numbers wise necro is better but venth isn’t far behind to the point you can’t play it

[swift grotto]

Think you can hit renown cap in a week if you start the quest to stop right now

[tiny ember]

I manged to do 1-40 in 8 hours

[rose raft]

Does assassination spend CP at 4/5 or just 5?

[swift grotto]

swap*

4

[odd hazel]

Always max -1

[harsh anchor]

Max-1

[rose raft]

kk ty

i knew outlaw was max-1, but feral druid was ONLY MAX

[shut flame]

Why so, please?

[alpine latch]

Because if you do it at MAX-1 you're not wasting CP that's generated from a crit

[violet hemlock]

outlaw isnt max-1...

[balmy condor]

So much to correct

[violet hemlock]

only max-1 if u have broadside or opp proc

[balmy condor]

We don’t care about crits

[south belfry]

[shut flame]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

Mut is 2 cp

So mut at 4 would naturally overcap 1 cp

[south belfry]

Lmfao that Pingu

[balmy condor]

Seal fate overcap isn’t something we play around

Outlaw finishes at max

Not max-1

If you have broadsides

You would max-1

[violet hemlock]

only max-1 if u have opp proc or broadside

[balmy condor]

Because again, you would gen 2

And only have space for 1

And that’s not good

[upper trout]

But like if I'm at max-1 and garrote is in pandemic it makes sense to garrote -> finisher right?

[balmy condor]

Sure

Nothing wasted there

[shut flame]

But garrote at 4?

[analog glade]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Garrote at 4 is fine cause you’re not overcapping

[odd hazel]

overcapping

[balmy condor]

Super easy rule ready for for one?

Don’t overcap

That’s it

That’s the rule

[violet hemlock]

👏

[shut flame]

Clear, no magic

[odd hazel]

Whispyr is gonna have a stroke one of these days

[balmy condor]

I’ve had many already

[odd hazel]

Wait really or sarcasm ?

[balmy condor]

New patches bring a big influx of people just saying things to fill the void I guess

The more a channel gets active

The worse it gets

[odd hazel]

Just wait till raid releases

[edgy cosmos]

anyone know WAs well?

[balmy condor]

Having to do an entire raid and the mega dungeon for the defensive sheet

[hollow river]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

Depends on well

[humble ginkgo]

hey bro

[edgy cosmos]

im having an issue with this detatching

[humble ginkgo]

when are sims done bro?

[violet hemlock]

defensive sheet?!?!

[humble ginkgo]

??

hey bro..?

sims when?...

?!?!?!

[edgy cosmos]

looks like this normally but when i use it looks like the pic above

[balmy condor]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[violet hemlock]

neat

[balmy condor]

Would need to see the actual auras but looks like you’re automating the offsets

[edgy cosmos]

its a copy settings from rupture switch to CT

[humble ginkgo]

necro is 2nd best for sin right?

ill settle for it I think

since I wont be maining / playing sin competitively

just practicing

[violet hemlock]

ye

[pale fossil]

Best for multitarget, second best for ST.

[humble ginkgo]

kk

[violet hemlock]

Since idc what spec I play Ima just see what hapopens hc week and pick from there, currently necro with venth swap rdy

[silver fog]

Cant wait for another covenant shift when sims include domination gems and sylv daggers ^^

[odd hazel]

All I know is I’m not playing outlaw

That won’t effect covenants really

[balmy condor]

Gems are in, don’t really understand how those would change covenant balance

[edgy cosmos]

https://wago.io/HyTFFBSV-/25 is the WA set but i deleted all but the Rupture and garrote was trying to copy of the rupture and use it for CT aswell

[tiny ember]

so are you saying this is it the final ptr sims before the 9.1 sims on live

[balmy condor]

Pretty much

9.1 sims won’t be fully in for another 2-3 weeks probably

But we’re about as good as we’re gonna get

Numbers are gonna change

But the general landscape is there

Just gotta wait for tuning now

It’ll be a dumpster fire in here if they nerf obedience

[tiny ember]

unless a radnom ptr patch comes in where rogues get smokebomb and we get true value

[strange python]

The #s in the pinned section?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[strange python]

Kk ty

[balmy condor]

Like all the numbers will go up with sylv daggers

[slow marsh]

dont say things like that

[balmy condor]

But it’s not gonna be like “oh my god fae on top”

[sonic schooner]

Everyone talking about nerfing obedience. But what if they buff it

[edgy cosmos]

yep i suck with WAs cant figure this out

[strange python]

Yea, I doubt the nerf it before tomorrow...just hope they don't nerf it at all since I'm going venth for assa/sub lol (I'm gambling sub will be pretty decent for raid and m+ lol...and if not, will just go outlaw for m+)

[edgy cosmos]

https://pastebin.com/QUUvkye8 @balmy condor if u can see whats wrong would appreciate it

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’ll look

[edgy cosmos]

link died?

sec

can i DM u the whole txt

pastebin doesnt like me

[balmy condor]

Sure

[edgy cosmos]

personally i wont swap anything till the raid comes out things are still subject to change and making any solid decision is a bad idea

[viscid spear]

That's why people are going Necro, hoping Blizz won't notice Obedience being stonktastic until later

[austere steppe]

How likely is Obedience to get nerfed early on anyway, we ain't going to see anything till Mythic week

[steel bane]

@edgy cosmos but if you do that you can't craft your legendary, right? Cause of Renown req

[solid venture]

soon™

[viscid spear]

That'll be one hell of a week then.

[balmy condor]

You’d just have to catch up

[edgy cosmos]

theres new catchup systems and u can farm renown in a day if u actually try

[slow marsh]

Tbh I doubt they nerf obedience unless the rogues on WFR know something we don't

[austere steppe]

oi Pirate boi, back to bench

[slow marsh]

Which again is highly doubtful

[edgy cosmos]

i got 40 renown in a single day when i swapped to venth

[strange python]

True...but I mean...I've changed covenants like 6 times across all my toons...I'm thinking I'm at the point of saying fuck it, and sticking with where I'm at.

@edgy cosmos wtf?! How?!

[solid venture]

we'll see

[dawn root]

well unless you're in a top top raiding guild it prob doesn't matter much tbh

[edgy cosmos]

spam +2s

[steel bane]

I don't fully understand how Renown catch up mechanics works but does it kick in like weak 2?

[edgy cosmos]

granted this was when valor just came out so alot of people where doing it

[balmy condor]

40 in a day is pretty rough

But like 2-3 days is comfy

[edgy cosmos]

oh i def wanted to KMS

but i needed it cause we where on SLG prog at the time

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[edgy cosmos]

having to play sin on sire made me mad cause fan of knives RNG

20 adds and 1 combo point tilts me

capped at 8 but still

[tribal marlin]

sad part about FoK it's like, no matter how many target there are you still have the same odds regarding CPs generation, than if there were only 6 target

FoK should be uncapped aoe tbh

[edgy cosmos]

thats why i refuse to play it in keys i got really bad rng

[tribal marlin]

it was so cool back in BFA compare to now

[fallen arch]

Bad reason not to try it in keys imo

U dont use FoK all that much tbh

[edgy cosmos]

should make it like sub combo for each target hit

either way im not a fan of it in keys i pref sub>outlaw>sin

[untold verge]

soooo i have to craft Obedience leggo

😮

[edgy cosmos]

im not necro so i dont get to use my cov to build combos so i would be using fan alot

unless 3 target pulls

[fallen arch]

Using the MA leggo then?

[edgy cosmos]

zol still sims higher

[fallen arch]

Because it’s like 5 gcd’s in u do the first 1/2 FoKs and at that point you’re gonna have so much energy regen that FoK shouldn’t feel all that bad

[lone wren]

I don't like zol as much in dungeons I think it sims higher than in practice

[slow marsh]

uhhhh

[edgy cosmos]

wouldnt MA mess with subterfuge? u wouldnt get much time to even use fan

[slow marsh]

and yeah if you use MA you run NS and MfD

CT will snapshot your MA

[slow marsh]

it's literally the easiest leggo to use in practice....

you bleed stuff and it gets poisoned from CT/fan

[edgy cosmos]

it just does its own things theres nothing to try to maintain

[slow marsh]

But yeah the MA build is fun. Def recommend trying itt if you haven't

[strange python]

Woof...guess everyone else's RNG is better than mine. I'm at renown 28 and did about 5 2s...got 0 renown from any of them...

[rare dagger]

I played Assassin since start of 9.0, NF then Venth. Is switching to necro for 9.1 worth sacrificing 3-4% of ST to improve M+ performance? Playing M+ in 9.0 was sometimes pain in the ass.

[balmy condor]

You would play venth sub in m+ if you’re playing venth

If you go necro should play outlaw

[edgy cosmos]

Im so hype for sub i pray they dont nerf it

[strange python]

Hopefully the sub buffs make it more competitive in m+...

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s pulling even or better with outlaw

[strange python]

[rare dagger]

I played with sub/outlaw for some time too, but really dont like playstyle of both

[slow marsh]

I picked up a 220 pox and brushed up on outlaw but I just feel more comfortable making things bleed so I did more overall dam

I'm excited about the sub in m+ thing too. I'd much rather go sin/sub than sin/outlaw

[fleet moat]

What Sub lego would you run in M+? MA?

[nova flax]

finality

[strange python]

I hate pugging m+ as anything that isn't outlaw...I feel like it's more forgiving than the others on trash pulls. Plus, the burst aoe feels stronger tbh.

[fleet moat]

Makes sense, time to recraft another lego off the domination socket, ugh

[balmy condor]

Finality or obedience atm

[sonic schooner]

Tiny toxic blade subrogue

Idk how sub will really perform in m+. It s so much dependant on pull size

[nova flax]

just go sin in keys. its the most fun

🙂

[fleet moat]

I find sin to be annoying to play, not a fan of tab targeting and mouse over bleeding like crazy

[strange python]

^ amen

[nova flax]

i find it so much more engaging than the other two tbh

plus it gets better the higher you go since trash lives longer

[strange python]

Yea, it engages me in raging out. Lmao

[nova flax]

outlaw will msot likely always be king because of the sheer utility they have

gouge is massive

[strange python]

The aoe (imo) is the easiest of the 3, too.

[sonic schooner]

Plus as outlaw you have no CDs so you go brrrr from pack to another pack

[dawn root]

well to be fair sub's aoe is pretty easy also, but not as easy as outlaw's.

[nova flax]

idk

sub aoe is pretty much 2 buttons

[dawn root]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Sub plays tornado now

[nova flax]

oh

[balmy condor]

So idk

[nova flax]

even easier lole

[tiny ember]

yo whispry so venthyr =sub/assa pog?

[strange python]

True. But outlaw is basically the st rotation.

[balmy condor]

Just like Everything Else, difficult is based on your personal play

[balmy condor]

Yes

[nova flax]

i mean regardless of what spec does the most damage on paper, outlaw will probably be bis because they ahve the most CC.

and you never bring a rogue to keys for damage anyways

[edgy cosmos]

rogues damage can be pretty nutty ive seen them beat fire mages on massive pulls

[nova flax]

i nwhat key elvel?

[sonic schooner]

I wonder how

[nova flax]

level*

[sonic schooner]

I cant beat a mage on 25 mobs pull

Not even close

[nocturne geode]

if a mage and rogue of same level are playing aoe against eachother the mage should win lol

[nova flax]

yeah. a good fire mage in a decently high key will always shit on a rogue during combustion lmao

now if ur doin like 15s and ur beating a amge then i understand

cuz ur yipping all the flame patch damage

[fleet moat]

So for Sub with tornado, you would just use a finisher every global since your CPs regenerate passively after pushing tornado?

[sonic schooner]

I peak at wha? 18k dps maybe? They go up to 80k

[edgy cosmos]

ryfie is a good example on the fact u cant use rogue doesnt do as good damage as others

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/827703375902146590/841925473826897930/unknown.png?width=639&height=457

[nova flax]

https://raider.io/characters/us/malganis/Chungess?utm_source=client

i play sin in high keys too

[edgy cosmos]

thats a SD 22 on his damage

[nova flax]

and if there was a fire mage in that key ryfie wouldnt be nearly as high as he was LMAO

[nocturne geode]

true

[sonic schooner]

Ryf opop

[nova flax]

hes very good, but his damage is skewed because there is no fire mage absolutely obliterating packs

so his CT has time to tick

[rose raft]

So is Sylvanas Dagger the new Ra-den Fist?

[limber lion]

What's that supposed to mean?

[nocturne geode]

^

[edgy cosmos]

take it u didnt play BFA

[nocturne geode]

its a completely diff wep

fist was a proc not and execute proc

[limber lion]

Me?

[plain thistle]

no, sylv dagger is like denath dagger but with a proc and without stats

and different visuals too

[limber lion]

I definitely did play BFA

But they are in no way similar

[plain thistle]

[nocturne geode]

agreed

[edgy cosmos]

i took it as a wep ud have to farm for cause its gonna be a large portion of ur damage who cares what it does

[dawn root]

Pretty sure he was referring to the dagger being essential to get like the ra-den weapon because of how strong that fist corruption proc was

[limber lion]

Didn't need to as a sin/sub rogue

[edgy cosmos]

did as outlaw

[limber lion]

Sin only used it as a cheese weapon on stuff like Hivemind

[edgy cosmos]

alot of that raid was cleave

[plain thistle]

well, you could use 2 ra den fists as assa

[limber lion]

[rose raft]

ding ding

[edgy cosmos]

a better comparison would be cara daggers

[limber lion]

Yes

That's a better comparison

An actual weapon that works with our kit

And doesn't disable our main generator

Cara dagger was just as essential for Sin/Sub as the Ra-den fist for Outlaw.

[edgy cosmos]

i could never get it to drop even till the day prepatch came out

[grizzled orbit]

Same.

Still hurts

[grizzled trail]

step one goin back to venthyr done 😮

[tiny ember]

quick question in ST sin vs sub if there is downtime sin wins if there is 100% uptime sub wins right

[limber lion]

According to 9.1 sims, yes.

I mean

except the first part.-

Sub probably still wins even if there is some downtime.

[tiny ember]

I'm talking pure theory and ptr nubmers

[limber lion]

Really depends how much downtime

What kind of downtime

[tiny ember]

so depends if the donwtime is in subs cd windows

mostly i gues

[odd hazel]

Those are pointless to talk about

To much what if

[tiny ember]

do both bois play the venthyr lego?

[limber lion]

Yes

[tiny ember]

pogers

[grizzled trail]

i mean do u play sub and sin to the same level? thats always something to consider also 🙂

[tiny ember]

I mean kinda

[edgy cosmos]

im so hyped to remake all my legos cant wait to live in torghast for a week

[tiny ember]

I haven't touch sub outside of pvp since zul and assa since bfa

[odd hazel]

Oof

[tiny ember]

wait i lie i did sludge as assa

[lone wren]

Well the reason in skeptical is because the damage bonus is only on dots on targets below 30%. In 15 or lower keys it's not even worth mentioning since targets melt between 30-0 health in 15+ in my case usually by the time targets get around 30% the dots are falling off. So you are applying dots one at a time while your group is melting adds in execute range. Best case scenario you aren't getting the combos spent with of dot ticks before they die.

I don't think dungeon slice sim mode takes into account group damage. That's why I'm skeptical of its actual DPS in practice. I personally get higher total DPS in dungeons running doom or ma than I do with zol. Even though zol sims higher for me

[grizzled trail]

i was one of the idiots that believed in the sub hype at start of tier haha

[tiny ember]

my first lego was finality...

still have it at 210 where the dream of sub died

[limber lion]

I have a Finality at 235

Sub was fine in the beginning

I played Sub until Sin became decent again in 9.0

[sonic schooner]

Akaari was mine, then finality when I killed sire

[cyan dew]

Guys, the way the sylv daggers are working rn, if I have 2 rogues on the raid, it's better that just one rogue uses the sylv dagger, no?

[limber lion]

Just

wait for the fix

Currently the daggers don't do anything

they removed the proc

[cyan dew]

Ohh

ty

[strange python]

Thank God I'm the only rogue in our raid group. Lmao

[strange python]

What if… it was another round

[tiny ember]

I volunteered the other rogue to fill in the warrior slot since our decided to quit the game like 2 hours before the dagger thing came out then he accused me of making him switch so i get daggers

[waxen harbor]

which skill should i macro with garrote ?

better ask ... someone have a macro with garrote ^^?

[limber lion]

What.

Why would you want to macro garrote?

It uses up a gcd, you can't really macro it to anything

[waxen harbor]

there are macros for assa?

[paper cairn]

you can do a mouseover macro for garrote if you're feeling like it, but thats it really tbh

[limber lion]

You don't really need macros for assassination, no.

You can make some if you want

But you don't need any

[bleak sky]

I just use a SBS macro and that's it

[plain thistle]

but dont macro 2 skills that are on the gcd together

[waxen harbor]

ok ty

[subtle gyro]

Question about switching back to venth.. does doing CN at all count toward the progress since its in that zone? Anyone know offhand?

[harsh anchor]

No

[balmy condor]

just do 1 world quest and 2 dungeons

[subtle gyro]

ok thanks

[frigid kestrel]

Only Macro I use is a SS mouse over macro that has a shift modifier for friendly targets. But even that’s not needed

The amount of times I tried to SS to a friendly on the N’Zoth Mythic encounter and ended up SSing to the back is N’Zoth in the last phase with all the shit on the ground is embarrassing.

[waxen harbor]

ty for your help guys 🙂

[limpid minnow]

how many ST bosses we have in sanctum? 5?

[real solar]

@limber lion daddy cev is now a CF?

[plain thistle]

full ST? something like 2?

[viscid spear]

I remember being Combat during Siege of Orgrimmar and using Killing Spree on the first boss and Dark Shamans would clip me through the ground and plummet to my death.

[plain thistle]

but there are a lot of ST focused fights, or fights where ST damage is important (KT for example)

[viscid spear]

"Priority Damage"

[loud light]

Guardian is kind of the only one that is completely ST but there's a lot of fights like painsmith or fatescribe or nerzhul where it's mostly ST and then there's an add here and there

well, Guardian/Tarragrue but tarragrue's gonna be a meme either way

[neon cloak]

If i has to pick one conv what should it be? Both are 0 renown. Necro or ven 🌝 playing sin and i am all about raiding

[limber lion]

[bleak sky]

Venthyr then

How do I make red my primary color

[raven vapor]

remove your sub role

[neon cloak]

Covenant

[raven vapor]

it's probably done by order of adding, so you can add it back after?

[raven vapor]

Venth for Sin+Sub/Necro for Sin+Outlaw

[bleak sky]

I meant venthyr

[real solar]

poggies

[bleak sky]

Yeah, no, I was sin only, added sub and then if changed

but I guess it's no biggie

[real solar]

congrats cev

[limber lion]

Thanks :P

[raven vapor]

might be the default colour for multiple roles then looking at red names we're all sin only

[loud light]

the roles have priority over each other

sub > outlaw > assn

if you have multiples

[limber lion]

Yep

[untold nest]

Just remove all roles and get a plain white colour if u dont like the teal 😄

Or be in here and answer every question and help everyone for 2 3 tiers to EVENTUALLY MAYBE become a community figure 😄

[restive mural]

Guys you keep renown with the covenant u swith from right?

[limber lion]

yes

[split grail]

So according to the pins Emeni whill be the best soulbind for Necro?

[limber lion]

Is that what the pins are saying?

[restive mural]

Cheers

[split grail]

"Emeni pustules are in, and they’re good"

[limber lion]

Sure

But there's sims in the pins

It's good

But it's not good enough

Heirmir still takes the cake.

[raven vapor]

should we be pooling during gem or is it considered a burst window? (if not lined up with shiv)

[limber lion]

Just pool normally

[split grail]

Well, that's why I asked

[limber lion]

The sims have your answers.

Heirmir is still better.

[raven vapor]

thanks 🙂

[waxen harbor]

is it right that i need to eat so often at levling? im lvl 56 now

[clear shadow]

is thera a bis sheet somewhere for assassin?

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

No

And neither is for sub/outlaw

[clear shadow]

found it on wowhead

[hollow river]

[winged basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bLAhmYq1N8CBnxdk#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=19&start=63660&end=94049

NOTHING LIKE NOT SHIVING TIL A MINUTE IN THE FIGHT

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[slow marsh]

Imagine looking for bis lists

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Especially when there is so much crit haste leather in the raid this tier

[oak sky]

Gonna feel great

[slow marsh]

It really is

[oak sky]

Getting all this nice endboss loot

Poor wws

[slow marsh]

Don't have to do 10 keys a week

So nice

[oak sky]

Cant abuse glad gear and forced to have gaste

Haste

[clear shadow]

yo is shadowgrasp totem actually insane?

or is it a meme

[winged basin]

3rd highest simming trink, and I enjoy it

[kind quiver]

Is Obedience the best leggo now for Venthyr Sin rogues? I’m honestly bad at reading sims. I’m just seeing the raw number and wondering if I should craft that first tomorrow.

[clear shadow]

yes

i dont think u can craft it tomorrow tho

[winged basin]

oh shit its dropped since I looked last lmfao dont fuckin listen to me

[slow marsh]

I used sgt for sire kill

[oak sky]

Obedience you can craft the 3rd week

Unlocks at like 48 renown

[torpid spoke]

so what would be the best to do if your doomblade is on hands? Move them to cloak with obedience?

[kind quiver]

Oh okay, but it will end up above Doomblade then for ST?

[slow marsh]

Cloaks for everything pretty much

[oak sky]

Unless it gets nerfed prob more damage

[hollow river]

[kind quiver]

I did. Just double checking.

[hollow river]

Answer is that it’s looking better atm yeah

Best answer is to sim yourself when it comes out week 3 (:

[slow marsh]

Are there sims for the new trinkets anywhere for anybody?

[hollow river]

Most aren’t implemented yet iirc

[slow marsh]

Figured

[kind quiver]

I don’t think we’ll see those until next Tuesday.

[limber lion]

Just be patient.

It'll come with due time

[slow marsh]

Ye I am was just wondering

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

We simply goosin

[tiny ember]

!ds

[echo geyser]

cev wasnt deathly prepull worth?

or was it whispyr

[hollow river]

It kinda is

[oak sky]

Iirc its only worth in 2 minutes with nightstalker

[limber lion]

No it is not.

Yeah, I simmed it and played with it

[hollow river]

Remember fuu saying it’s good on all specs

[limber lion]

and it's only worth in 2 min or less fights

with Nightstalker

So basically never.

It's not good for Sin.

The duration is shorter and the damage amp is smaller, and our Vanish is too loaded

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

We literally have a talent branch for vanish/stealth

The other 2 specs don't have that

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor deathly wasnt worth pre pull?

[limber lion]

I don't know if he's done any research on it.

[balmy condor]

it's worth

just not very worth

but I should sim it at some point

[shy dust]

Deathly pre pull has one big negative

Your moonkin pulling early

[limber lion]

I did and played with it in-game as well

And it's awful

[shy dust]

And locking you into the boss with deathly equipped

[limber lion]

I mean, it's good if you're doing heroic speed kills

but that's about it

[echo geyser]

yeah i just remember whispyr mentioned some time ago it was probably worth

[marble hemlock]

Dont tear me apart for suggesting necro in the assa guide, when I did, obedience sims werent around yet. So pray for obedience nerf so I dont have to change anything

[echo geyser]

[shy dust]

[limber lion]

Don't worry Seli, we're all in the Necro waiting room here

[shy dust]

Seli praying venthyr nerfed so he doesn’t have to update guide

[echo geyser]

thats based

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/HSs0h/ef37c4eeda.jpg

[echo geyser]

[lusty bane]

Think they’ll make the sylv daggers work for more than one rogue? We currently have two for raid :/

[limber lion]

They currently do not work, period.

[echo geyser]

well ur lucky it doesnt work at all rn

[limber lion]

Just wait and see what happens.

[echo geyser]

so theres nothing broken about it

[lusty bane]

Sounds good. 👌🏻

[sturdy scarab]

Sin will be the way to go for raid in 9.1 right ?

[echo geyser]

🔮

[echo mantle]

99.9%. There's no way they'll make it so only one rogue gets the benefit of them. That would be completely stupid. Notice how i didnt say 100% tho, because Blizzard is....unpredictably stupid sometimes 🙂

[river kelp]

one question. The pins say for raiding "doomsblade" would be best to craft on back. In game it says i can craft it on shoulders and hands ._.

[south belfry]

9.1 adds it to cape slot

[split grail]

cloak option comes out tomorrow

[river kelp]

ah ok. Thanks :>

[echo geyser]

u venthyr bois are u just using ur old doomblade on gloves till obedience is craftable+

?

[south belfry]

I dont see why not

[limber lion]

Yes

[echo geyser]

obedience is cloak?

[south belfry]

Ya

[echo geyser]

ah perfect then i can use the base item i bought

[tiny ember]

Are we not supposed to be sub bois ram....

why do you play with my heart

[south belfry]

With obedience you can be both

[heavy vessel]

Priority for CT use on single target? Prioritize ct over envenom buff or?

[shy dust]

maintain outside of shiv

[tiny ember]

CT?

[mortal pike]

can you still use soul ash to make the base ilvl legendaries next patch?

[south belfry]

Yes until r4

[balmy condor]

There are no r5/r6 bases

[south belfry]

And yeah you upgrade old ones

[echo geyser]

ah the blue name is just a meme cause people were color changing and using the D-Word

[sturdy scarab]

D-word ?

What's that

[tiny ember]

demo lock

[echo geyser]

its kind of a taboo topic

[shy dust]

"meme"

Sub tier Ram

[echo geyser]

oh no rae is here

i am sub main guys

but yeah obedience u can play both

[tiny ember]

wait are you playing Crimson tempest agin

[echo geyser]

i plan on crafting crit vers so i can do both fine

even outlaw works with those stats

3x spec lego

[tiny ember]

you mean like MA but better

[echo geyser]

yeah instead of having big aoe like MA u got big big st

[paper cairn]

there are bases, you use the vestiges of origin to attach to a rank 3 craft and it turns into a rank 5 base item, and rank 4 craft into a rank 6 base item

[echo geyser]

actually might be big big st and aoe for sub

[paper cairn]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=185960/vestige-of-origins

[echo geyser]

oh ?

so we dont need gold now?

or is it time/vs money what u want to use

[paper cairn]

you still need gold to buy a base rank 5 item, the crafter whose making the vestige also has to have the rank 3/4 of that piece to turn into rank 5/6

since its BoP

[echo geyser]

ah

i dont even have any of these profs

[paper cairn]

the korthite crystals are tradable

[echo geyser]

also soul ash i saw now

2k

[paper cairn]

but finding that crafter is up to you

[steel bane]

the crafter just apply the item on the trade window?

[paper cairn]

no, it needs to be crafted right there and there, its like using the current books that increase base iLvl of crafted goods, where you apply the book, and when you craft it, it becomes that higher iLvl

see that "add additional reagent" ? thats where the vestige goes in the craft window

so if he had one, and put the vestige in there, it turn into rank 6

[echo geyser]

does that mean they have to spend those resources to get 5-6 rank items?

[paper cairn]

yep

[echo geyser]

oh damn

these gonna cost a bit when they come out

[paper cairn]

yep

also gives you another reason to hate blizz on the whole remaking legendaries, cause imagine spending all those resources to upgrade to rank 4 of say Helm, Shoulders, or Chest, and be told you wasted it on them and you gotta now rank up your cloak, bracers, etc.

[echo geyser]

they shouldve given us some refund on scrapping lego for sure

[soft shale]

if you already have a rank 4 you can just use cinders tho

[odd hazel]

They didn’t make you do anything

[echo geyser]

rly?

so i dont need any base items?

[soft shale]

hu yea the new base with vessels are for skipping levels

[echo geyser]

oh

chillin then

rly didnt read anything about 9.1

[soft shale]

unless they changed it somehow

[azure bronze]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/how-to-upgrade-legendaries-to-rank-5-and-6-in-patch-9-1-chains-of-domination-323021

You need rank 4 base item plus vestige orb to make a rank 6 base item which you can then make a rank 6 leggo with the soul cinders

[paper cairn]

@soft shale bases are still required

[echo geyser]

[dawn condor]

so infact i just buy the rank 6 base item from the auctionhouse?

[echo geyser]

u could yeah

[paper cairn]

yes, but you won't have rank 6 soul cinders for more than a month

aka, well into the raid tear

[echo geyser]

now thinking about it, multiple r5 into r6s

might c ost a bit

why did they make it 40 gems + mats + 2k soul ash

[odd hazel]

I still need to find a new set of shoulders to replace my doom so I can put it on cloak

[echo geyser]

quite the grind it seems

[worldly sail]

you don't do anything with a rank 4 base item when crafting rank 6

[odd hazel]

Welcome to mmos

[azure bronze]

Rank 6 should be available 2nd week of mythic

[worldly sail]

you straight up make the r6

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[echo geyser]

yeah its a biiig gold sink

[hybrid cosmos]

hey guys, do we have any information about the hc sylv dagger vs mythic "normal" dagger? my guild is concerned that rogue wont be vialble for mythic progression

[azure bronze]

If you are lucky with soul cinders from mission table

[echo geyser]

i wont farm that shit

dont even got the profs

[paper cairn]

then sell the korthite

[echo geyser]

yeah that will sell

[paper cairn]

you will get that even if you're not a gatherer/crafter

[echo geyser]

2k soul ash means probably 4k total for 1 lego slot

[azure bronze]

Rogue will be viable for mythic progress l

[echo geyser]

cause u will probs make r5 first

[hybrid cosmos]

That doenst really answer anything 😦

[south belfry]

What information do you want about the dagger

[paper cairn]

yeah, R5 is the way to go, it will be available by mythic time, aka, also when we get our venthyr legendary memory

[mortal pike]

Making my fdirst legendary on the rogue, has anything changed with prio?

[hybrid cosmos]

for dh for example are sims and estimated dps gains and losses, for hc veinripper vs mythic weapons (stats vs procc) etc

do we have any such information

[azure bronze]

The raid looks like to be a major ST damage focused raid, 2 of our specs (Assa/Sub) are simming really well without the dagger implemented and we are most likely the highest ST damaging melee next tier

[paper cairn]

Yes, wait till tomorrow to craft obediance (if venthyr) or doomblade (if necro) on your cloak

[azure bronze]

@hybrid cosmos if your guild isn't top 10-100 world then comp doesn't matter, players that perform matter

[paper cairn]

and by tomorrow I mean wait for 3 weeks on the venthyr cloak*

[shell cloud]

Anyone crafting obedience or everyone should stayed with doomblade?

[echo geyser]

obedience if it remains untouched 100% lol

[chrome thicket]

Have anyone played venthyr assa in m+?

[echo geyser]

its not even close, check the pins

[hybrid cosmos]

we are close enough that it matters

[paper cairn]

crafting obedience 100% and just keeping doomblade on gloves till mythic week

[azure bronze]

1 rogue should be fine in a comp then

[hybrid cosmos]

and im having a hard time convincing the rogue dps

[azure bronze]

AMZ got nerfed

[hybrid cosmos]

it is obv good

[azure bronze]

DK's aren't that strong anymore

[hybrid cosmos]

but good enough ?!

[azure bronze]

only BDK would be valuable

What other melee do they plan on bringing?

I don't see more then 1 warrior in a melee spot/1 dh

you got your buffs sorted

maybe 1 dk

[shell cloud]

Looks like obedience is better 3%? So whats the right choice? Wowhead says stay with doom

[mortal pike]

@paper cairn ty

[chrome thicket]

Is it worth swaping to necro if im planing to do m+ and m raid ?

[azure bronze]

@hybrid cosmos Like currently now in CN Sin rogue is 3rd on boss damage on 90 percentile and up on mythic, only 2 infront are Spriest and Affli lock

Affli has been nerfed into the ground

Spriest is still probably best ST ranged

[hybrid cosmos]

thats not true for the last 2 weeks, rogue is like 5th or 6th... behind arkane balance etc

[azure bronze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#dataset=90&metric=bossdps

[hybrid cosmos]

for meeles, its 1 dk, 1 warri, 1 or 2 dh

and for st, their argument is just another shadow

why bring a rogue

sadge

[gleaming spire]

Mind numbing daddies

[hybrid cosmos]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#dataset=99&metric=bossdps

[paper cairn]

99th, aka, PI hell

[azure bronze]

yes

also 3k parses vs 13k

If you look at the last 2 bosses that matter

Sin beats arcane

But I am sure there are some top 100-200 rogues here that can make a better argument then I can xD

Like all I know is that I someone here posted preliminary sims for spriest which were like 10,5k-10,6k(can take that maybe with a grain of salt)

on ST

and we are currently simming 10,4k as sub and 10,2k as assa with venthyr covenant without the sylvanas daggers

[crisp steppe]

Rogue is fine

Fsy got world 4th in CN with rogue. Stop coping

Just play gooder

[south belfry]

Waaaaah Limit and Echo didnt use rogue is it shit

[grim jay]

aside from the (potentially) similar dps, you can assign a rogue to more mechanics and stuff, depending on design obviously, than SP
I'd actually just give them your point of view and look for a new guild if he doesnt take you on your rogue, that's about it

if you really only wanna play your rogue that is

[crisp steppe]

Inb4 the comp is just specs that got the right weapons

[sweet timber]

what yall will go for? venth og necro for Raid?

or*

[river kelp]

So best thing i can do if i just want to play assa for raid is to build Doomblade on wednesday on cloak. Did i get that right ;:D

[bleak valve]

What are the chances Obedience is nerfed, after herioc week?

[south belfry]

50/50

[grim jay]

ye 50/50, either it gets nerfed or it doesnt

[paper cairn]

then you have enough time to go back to necro before mythic week anyway

[proven ferry]

😛

[azure bronze]

I am going to stay necro till first week of normal/hc probably so I can still push dungeons comfortably and swap to venthyr on mythic week

[bleak valve]

Thats where im at as well Shyki

[grim jay]

I'll do m+ as sub so im fine with venthyr either way. noone knows if something will get nerfed and you cant even really argue about it being likely or not tbf.

[fading eagle]

I'm waiting to swap from necro to venthyr until the even faster renown catchup system is live, because lazy .-.

[grim jay]

and even if it gets nerfed you dont know how much

could still be a decent bit better, just not by that much

so there's just patiently waiting

[bleak valve]

yup

[azure bronze]

Maybe they won't nerf it just to make up for this CN and previous tier

[upper elm]

So its a covenant legendary and you could get it in mythic week or? So they wont have Any data from heroic week i guess?

[loud brook]

I'm just glad I can stop being a nightfae rogue because I never got used to or liked the free unempowered finisher aspect of the ability

[azure bronze]

Yeah the power becomes available during mythic week at 48 renown as a reward

It's the venthyr covenant legendary Obedience

[rugged quarry]

Does the CD reduction from Obedience (the new venthyr lego) trigger from CP spent during the Flagellation debuff or the subsequent buff?

[azure bronze]

during flag

[rugged quarry]

But both the haste buff and the shadow damage debuff are called flagellation

[shy dust]

Cp spent during the initial 12 seconds

[bleak sky]

so I've read the guide on crafting r6 legendaries but I'm in denial

are the 235 bases now worthless? or can you craft r6 with the 235 base?

[rugged quarry]

Thank you

[azure bronze]

yes they are

[bleak sky]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/how-to-upgrade-legendaries-to-rank-5-and-6-in-patch-9-1-chains-of-domination-323021

From this I get that the current 235 are worthless

[azure bronze]

You have to craft the 235 base with the orb

[bleak sky]

[azure bronze]

to get the rank 6 item

[bleak sky]

pass the whole tank of copium

[sand tide]

Anyone knows if we're back to only getting 2 renowns a week now when 9.1 is coming?

[bleak sky]

3 per I think

[paper cairn]

3

[thorny willow]

So I've only got R1 Zoid , come reset (and spending my life farming ash in Torgash) and i to assume that i should craft Doom on cloak R4 to start with and Zoid on legs R4 to start with or am i neetr off doing it another way? (Will be Raiding and Mplus.) Thanks.

[paper cairn]

1 from covenant quest, 1 from 1000 anima, 1 from korthia weekly

[sand tide]

nice thx

[paper cairn]

the souls now reward anima instead of renown

[loud brook]

is it normal to hit 20 stacks of flag outside of bloodlust or should I be hitting higher

[azure bronze]

normal

[swift verge]

are you guys keeping doomblade on hands and going obedience when its available?

[loud brook]

kk

[azure bronze]

Unless you are extremely lucky with crits

[azure bronze]

Depends on any tuning they might do

[loud brook]

I did get lucky and hit 28 once

but yeah otherwise it's been 20-23

[azure bronze]

Sub and OL are way more consistent in having 25+ stacks of flag

[loud brook]

makes sense

[cerulean vault]

if wont raid Mythic what will be worth more bonus from 5th socked or flat stats from lvl 6 lego shoulder ?

[azure bronze]

@swift verge but I'll probably recraft doomblade on cloak together with obedience, in case I am ever swapping off venthyr

[paper cairn]

I'd say I'd only recraft doomblade to cloak is if I get gloves week 1 of raid

[azure bronze]

What armor slot will the socket be in ?

[sand tide]

cant u buy gloves with socket for 2k stygia?

[azure bronze]

yeah you can

220 gloves

and also 239 hc gloves

[paper cairn]

I don't think theres enough rep to get with deaths advance by the time raid comes out

[azure bronze]

if your rep is high enough with the codex dudes

[paper cairn]

codex is helm

its a 239 helm, not gloves

[azure bronze]

are you sure?

[paper cairn]

when i was on the PTR looking at loot it was a helm

[azure bronze]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/archivists-codex-reputation-guide

[limber lion]

!abb

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abbreviations: http://www.ravenholdt.net/rogue-abbreviations/

[gusty mirage]

that needs a huge update

DS specifically

[azure bronze]

Deeper Stratagem amirite?

[paper cairn]

hmm, idk why I seen helm, oh well

[azure bronze]

they might have changed the slot

[paper cairn]

is deaths advance helm?

[azure bronze]

Also gloves

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/deaths-advance-reputation-guide

[paper cairn]

yeah just ran to him too

guess it got changed

lol

[sand tide]

It wouldnt make sense for them to have a domination socket like that on a helmet when the raid drops Unholy in the helm slot

[paper cairn]

or im delusional

[sand tide]

they must have changed it

[azure bronze]

might have been teh raid helmet from the vendor

[worthy moth]

everything changed again?

they killed doomblade?

[limber lion]

They've done nothing to Doomblade.

[worthy moth]

some clown said to me they killed doomblade

[echo geyser]

[worthy moth]

i was like wtf dude

[echo geyser]

its just they gave us a way better one now if u are venthyr

[gloomy knoll]

woah

i'm not a clown

rude

[worthy moth]

WHAT THE FUCK

[echo geyser]

[gloomy knoll]

yea that's right foo

i'm everywhere

[worthy moth]

i just rerroled to necro

[gloomy knoll]

wassup

in yo keys

in yo discord

[worthy moth]

you're a good clown

[echo geyser]

scary

[gloomy knoll]

[worthy moth]

but not if u play outlaw

[gloomy knoll]

i play every spec

lol

[noble aspen]

Hey guys

Think I should swap from necro to Venth for 9.1 prog or stay necro so I can play outlaw for m+

[echo geyser]

necro just feels hard to justify rn unless m+, but maybe aoe/cleave is gonna more more important over ST in raid who knows

[gloomy knoll]

but yea they didn't kill doomblade

obedience is just better now

so it "kills" doomblade

[echo geyser]

4.5% under venthyr seems just wayy too much

[worthy moth]

dude i switched to necro to everyone say that now

[gloomy knoll]

from testing aoe did not matter at all

but who knows they could buff all the ads

like they did on slg

[azure bronze]

I would wait after heroic tuning /start of mythic week to swap to venthyr in case any changes get made

[worthy moth]

my life is a fucking joke

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

It feels like shit when I swapped to nerco from venthyr when my ventyhr is at 15 renown as I reroll to rouge on 9.1. That being said, any suggestions for me if ventyhr remind unchange on mythic week start? Since swapping convant takes 2 weeks and not adding the fact that I need to level my ventyhr to 48 for that legendary

[echo geyser]

are u NA?

[shut garnet]

if ur EU swap now

[echo geyser]

^

[shut garnet]

and then if shit changes, by start of mythic u can swap back to necro if need be

if ur NA, idk probably still swap now better late than never

[echo geyser]

yeah im swapping venthyr then if anything gets nerfed back to necro

[strange python]

NA just swapped this week

Before reset of course

[shut garnet]

venthyr outlaw in keys gonna feel so weird

guess u puttin prog first ram?

[gloomy knoll]

you mean venthyr sub

[echo geyser]

yeah i mean sub with obedience is looking rly good

[gloomy knoll]

the highest damage rogue

[echo geyser]

its st and aoe lol

[shut garnet]

o

[gloomy knoll]

unless you doing top