assassination

[civic trellis]

Its because its higher prio than env in +2 targets

[icy ember]

ye anytime there are going to be more than 1 target as if you're doing sire, you can refuse to cast envenom but instead cast CT if you really want to ultrapad the meters

cuz it always lines up that way, when the adds spawn in when your rotation hits its gonna be an envenom on the boss or a CT on everything

[woeful juniper]

well obviously you ct everything KEKW

[icy ember]

yes, obviously

[civic trellis]

@limber lion about the earlier energy regen stuff, in +2t scenario why does it matter to have a min energy regen?

[woeful juniper]

i meant 17 seconds

in the sim

[civic trellis]

Ah didnt look at the sim sorry

Yeah its refreshing in pandemic

[woeful juniper]

he uses CT again before putting ruptrues on targets 2 and 3

[final star]

CT is higher prio than rupture in aoe

[limber lion]

We reach energy saturation with 2 garrotes, 1 rupture and the Vendetta energy regen

[civic trellis]

Yeah but i mean why CT needs to have a min of 20 energy regen

well, a min of energy regen at all

let me copy the apl line

[limber lion]

Having energy regen is more important than doing damage with CT

It's just a condition to apply garrotes/ruptures first before using CT.

[civic trellis]

AHHH

Yeah

[limber lion]

You'll just sit there without energy if you start with CT

[civic trellis]

Thought about that

Thanks

^2

[limber lion]

:P

[woeful juniper]

on sire when adds spawn and both sire and remornia already have CT do you delay or just use it again?

[limber lion]

Just use it again

[woeful juniper]

guess it kinda depends on the time thats left on sire and remornia?

[limber lion]

Nah

Just use it again

Just make sure not to reapply CT like 2s before the adds spawn

[woeful juniper]

yea obviously

[limber lion]

If it was reapplied like 5s or something before they spawn then that's perfectly fine

[woeful juniper]

I guess I just need to work on my CT usage on those fights. I think I envenom too much

[limber lion]

P2 is all about maintaining as many bleeds as you can and maintaining SnD with Envenom

But yeh, that's a good start.

For reference, CT is my highest damage in p2.

[edgy cloak]

hello, does anyone know in wich slot they gonna give us dommblade in 9.1, related to domination socket wich will be on both gloves and shoulders

[woeful juniper]

I mean i am doing fine, but you can always do better

[limber lion]

Cloak

[limber lion]

For sure.

My Envenom is my 6th highest damaging ability in P2.

[woeful juniper]

5th for me

whats youre uptime on CT?

*your

[limber lion]

How much are you doing in p2 again?

[woeful juniper]

8265

[limber lion]

78.73%

[edgy cloak]

thank you

[limber lion]

Here's my breakdown

Around 9.1k

[woeful juniper]

how much on adds

[limber lion]

Just the cabalists?

[woeful juniper]

yea

[limber lion]

2048

[woeful juniper]

your logs puplic?

[limber lion]

No, unfortunately

[woeful juniper]

[limber lion]

I joined a new guild like 2 months ago

and they private log

[woeful juniper]

yea same

[limber lion]

Around 2k on Remornia, 3.6k on Sire

My Remornia damage could be better as well.

[woeful juniper]

i mean thats good ^^

[pastel roost]

Id like to ask a question sorry if it's redundant, i was told that thanks to it's up in damages, Sub could be quite good in M+? is it true ? and are we talking in the same sense that outlaw is ? Or is it something nobody know quite yet ?

[south belfry]

Could be

[red bloom]

pretty sure outlol will still be preferred in M+

[south belfry]

Sub is m ore reliant on big pulls

[woeful juniper]

M+ is alot more about when you have damage and what your setup is like. Even if Sub does more dmg in huge pulls outlaw still bring a very good dmg profile that could be more useful. Granted Sub will for sure not be bad.

[pastel roost]

and wanted an honest opinion on rogues popularity in pug groupe , i know it's meta i higher keys but to be honnest i see myself only going to mid/high tier ( like around +17-18 actualy). Is rogue wanted or is it difficult to find groupes still ?

[red bloom]

up until 20+ it really doesnt matter what spec you play, regardless of class, and even then, you have those who make it work

[woeful juniper]

also gouge op

you will be fine playing rogue and getting into groups

but tbh there is so much competiton when it comes to dps slots so no matter what you play you wont get invited to everything

[red bloom]

M+ pug life is fine, as long as you get in early and get score, you'll find getting groups for higher keys no bother

[pastel roost]

Right , is it more a war of Rdps vs Melee ?

[red bloom]

once you startt o fall behind though it gets pretty tough

[frigid kestrel]

in 9.0 you could play almost anything up to a 23 key. In 9.1 you should be super safe playing Sub at the equivalent level of keys.

[fallen arch]

No, but usualy theres 2 range and 1 melee spot

[red bloom]

nah, rogues have their spots

[lost horizon]

Heck the pugs

[rustic whale]

i believe removal of Prideful leaves Shroud valueable may be 2 shroud skips even possible

[red bloom]

that too, didnt think of that

[lost horizon]

Shroud is good with or without prideful

[rustic whale]

but i want gouge as baseline as it used to be

[woeful juniper]

gouge is borderline op tho

in m+

[frigid kestrel]

I think it lessens shroud and gives a open spot for a higher damaging melee class to come in. The only reason shroud was actually useful was because you had Prides and had to invis them to get pass them and then use shroud for normal skips since invis pot was down. With prides gone, invis pots will have other uses then to be wasted on Prides.

Its still useful

[woeful juniper]

uhm the way the new affix works shroud could be very stong to skip to get more buffs before clearing

[rustic whale]

tbh 3 dps if we talking about mage druid shaman best if i m not mistaken

i m not pro of M+ but it is looking like that

may be swap one with wlock i dont mind

[limber lion]

Not necessarily in 9.1

[pastel roost]

Basicaly i rerolled hunter at the start because my groupe needed a distance and i'v been fine with it, but with the recent changes i wouldn't mind giving my rogue another go as my group imploded. I dislike playing outlaw altho if i have to i will . That's why i asked for sub

[frigid kestrel]

WW puts out that damage as well

[lost horizon]

Shroud always has value just since it opens up more options

[frigid kestrel]

%1000 true

[lost horizon]

Even if meta routes end up not using shroud for a particular dungeon, by no means makes shroud bad

[crisp steppe]

you had less options for shroud with pride. you have more options now, we'll have to explore whether those new options are worth it

some dungeons you might pull entirely different trash that is easier to pull big

[woeful juniper]

if you dont plan on pushing very very high keys you can play anything

[red bloom]

from what Ive been seeing ele > frost mage > ww/rogue is the dps comp thrown around a lot

[crisp steppe]

and you have the options now that you are not limited by the 20% pride thing

[frigid kestrel]

That seems to be about what ive been seeing

[rustic whale]

i m a casual m+ er. usually doing 17+ and never being fan of pushing high levels but i m %100 sure if 1 dps spot will be a melee that definetly should be Rogue for survival and utility.

[woeful juniper]

if only they didnt nerf sbs lego

[red bloom]

lots of control, and short kicks

[woeful juniper]

we would be the best at everything

[fallen arch]

[rustic whale]

lets be honest Rogue is not in bad position if we compare early expansion period

i m sure scaling will be better

correct me if i m wrong

[woeful juniper]

nah we're fine in all content

unless you wanne play in echo or limit maybe

but even echo might bring a rogue next tier. who really knows

[red bloom]

In sharkshoes we trust

[pastel roost]

still no ETA on smokebomb usable in raid ?

[red bloom]

it was never said it was going to be

[woeful juniper]

there is no way smoke is coming back. It just fucked up to many mechanics with LoS

[rustic whale]

my only concern is assasination last tier talents. A baseline CT and hidden blades change with Echoing etc. And poison bomb should be adressed or swap with kingsbane etc

[woeful juniper]

Sub is the best rogue spec anyways so lets just hope its viable

way more fun to play than stupid pirate

and sin

[rustic whale]

does sub spec still has fall dmg immunity?

[lost horizon]

I wish

[woeful juniper]

what?

oh

nah

[lost horizon]

That was a legion artifact thing

[rustic whale]

darn legion

[woeful juniper]

got me confused for a sec xD

[rustic whale]

sorry i didnt play in BFA

i m not sure rn never gone to sub

always sin

[woeful juniper]

sub was hype for like 2 weeks at the start

then it fell off a cliff

[red bloom]

what I want to know is why sub can sprint across water but sin cant

[rustic whale]

people cant handle stealth jumps and cried about it? 😄

if the Nerf Bat reveals, always Rogues be the first to hit lol

i m sure they will revert nerf of Necro lego like 1 month later

[obtuse ruin]

no way

[woeful juniper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvVqKGpVfto

never gets old

[obtuse ruin]

especially not with the way it works with blade flurry

[rustic whale]

time will tell

but guys i m really confused latest obedience thing

i hope it wont impact me so much

[fallen arch]

Wdym

[rustic whale]

i m necro atm (vent renown 40 tho ) i hope there won't be a huge difference when we go live on heroic week

[fallen arch]

Oh ye me too

Love the necro way of life way too much

[rustic whale]

rn its showing %5 dps difference. Ofc its too early to discuss

sbs usage feels so good i dk :d

especially open world

[fallen arch]

Especially in m+

[woeful juniper]

if vent is the pick for raid you can always just switch once your prog is done

[safe rover]

whats the safest early legendary craft?

[fallen arch]

Right now nothing

[south belfry]

Doomblade

[woeful juniper]

wait till mythic week for crafting legos i would say

[rustic whale]

i wonder why Dashing is behind Doomblade

probably our poison dmg low

[limber lion]

Zoldyck on Legs.

But there is no real reason to (re-)craft legendaries currently.

Unless you don't have a single legendary

[safe rover]

worth stacking soul ash and seeing what happens?

[rustic whale]

are not we going doomblade on cloak?

[limber lion]

Yeh.

[safe rover]

feels like we have to remake the leggos coz of the sockets?

[limber lion]

Yes if you're Necrolord, Obedience looks like the pick for Venthyr.

[limber lion]

Correct.

Zoldyck legs is a safe choice though.

[fallen arch]

Zoldyck always gonna be good

[safe rover]

coming back after a 3 month hiatus and im remaking legendary items ive already made..bigsad

[dim zealot]

zoldyck legs and dooblade back

[fallen arch]

Like everybody is gonna have to

[rustic whale]

darn obedience looking tasty. vendetta + obe + lashing burst

especially bl openers

@limber lion do you have any ideas on Obedience lego if still goes BS/DS or EP/Vig?

[limber lion]

BS/DS

[hollow river]

Really hoping we see the fated EP/DS once we get geared.

[rustic whale]

like %60 haste?

[hollow river]

There was talk of it maybe becoming possible later on in 9.1.

Not sure if that was only gonna be plausible because we may have been switching to dashing or not. Before they added the new leggo slots

[steel geyser]

Why

[rustic whale]

doom+dashing or doom+walkers would be op

[limber lion]

The sims have been done with 9.1 mythic gear, so it's not looking likely. :p

[hollow river]

Because 25k+ envenoms that’s why.

[hollow river]

Don’t kill my vibe ):

Lol

[steel geyser]

Yea but then we starving energy
Me like vigor

[rustic whale]

vigor good because it has x 10

[hollow river]

The point would be to get to the point where we weren’t starving for energy..

[rustic whale]

with dashing energy regen would be fine tho

[steel geyser]

Yea I know but still, i don't wanna be a nightborne starved for energy I like having plenty

[hollow river]

Especially on cleave

[steel geyser]

[rustic whale]

think we have %35/40 crit on bis gear 9.1?

[hollow river]

.>

[limpid plinth]

@limber lion going to venthyr too?

[limber lion]

Yes for the first week probably.

I'll have Necro ready so I can swap back whenever I want.

[limpid plinth]

Damn

[azure bronze]

Soon we will have an entire rogue vampire army

[reef axle]

Has everyone already left the necro train…….?

[echo geyser]

check the pins and ull understand

[minor thicket]

I’m necro

It’s fine

[copper sundial]

prolly switch back to venthyr for mythic week

[azure bronze]

I am not sure when to swap from Necro to Venthyr, since I still kinda want to push keys coming week and the first week season 2 . But want to raid as venthyr kek

[reef axle]

Yeah that vanthyr jump kinda pushes the necro cleave aside by the looks of it

[copper sundial]

its a tough call but for me raid prog is more pressing than m+

that being said getting ksm quickly helps

[slender berry]

if none of your teammates have necro its quite a big difference , if you have another necro you will be fine switching early

[reef axle]

It won’t be terrible, just won’t be optimal

[azure bronze]

Hmmm

[tawdry carbon]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[reef axle]

IF we were to switch to venth, wouldn’t this week be the week to do it? So by time raid releases, the CD will be done?

[south belfry]

Ya

[slender berry]

this or next week

[tawdry carbon]

what covenant will be best for progress next tier?

[south belfry]

Venthyr

Most likely

[restive inlet]

Obedience looks strong on paper. Good thing, I like being a boss dps bot

[tawdry carbon]

even if you want to play outlaw on some fights?

[royal lantern]

Reminder that stuff can still change

And that blizzard loves to give stuff a "lovetap" on mythic release

[reef axle]

Depends how much st suffers, reason necro was winner was for its strong target switch, but with this boost, seems less important now 🤔

[restive inlet]

I'm venthyr atm, and I'll stay venthyr. If it becomes apparent a few weeks into the raid that I am gimping myself, I'll swap to whatever. Little point agonizing over that choice now

[royal lantern]

Yes

[azure bronze]

only covenant that you gimp yourself with atm is Night Fae

[royal lantern]

People should not take it THAT serious right now when change can still happen

[royal lantern]

And im necro with the first weekly for going to venthyr done, and just wait if i need to do the 2nd

[lunar meteor]

Hi guys 🙂 What covenant is best for 9.1
If i want to play m+ and raid
Necro right?

[south belfry]

Asking in 1 channel wasnt enough huh

Check pins

[ruby birch]

Necro or venthyr.

[bleak sky]

" YOUR COVENANT IS FINE. YOURE FINE. ITS GOING TO BE OKAY. PICK ONE" -Whispyr

[ruby birch]

Sin players usually nut over SBS

[lunar meteor]

sin is assa right?

[bleak sky]

yes

[gusty mirage]

You’re just sad because it sucks for sub

[lunar meteor]

hehe

[gusty mirage]

You leave me and my bonerspike alone

[ruby birch]

It feels horrible at sub that's true

[steel bane]

How many multi targets fights do we have on Sanctum ?

[fair blaze]

@lunar meteor #wow-general and check pins, then decide

[ruby birch]

Bonerbois and sub do not match well

[bleak sky]

sbs

[winged basin]

If I could be necro for aesthetic and venthyr for player power I would :))

[ruby birch]

Honestly, I like flag more for sin too

[gusty mirage]

The play was the vampire boys all along

[winged basin]

And flag does feel nice, awkward at times

[restive inlet]

Team edward xd

[odd hazel]

flag feels awkward?

when?

[south belfry]

Just press it and enjoy the haste

[odd hazel]

yeah theres not much thought to it

[ruby birch]

Vampire boys #1, fuck boners, fuck smurfs, and fuck the furries

[lunar meteor]

ty

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[odd hazel]

#DestroyTheBloodElfs

[gusty mirage]

Gm

[shrewd night]

[royal lantern]

we had people getting ban warnings over that, just saying 🙂

[odd hazel]

Wow, koffing, oxi and cev in the same chat

[royal lantern]

truly a cursed day, you are right

[odd hazel]

cursed? more like blessed

[restive inlet]

really. My bad if I offended someone

[shrewd night]

Oh, I didnt see that one

HELLO SHIZUM

You want to delete that, or nah?

[gusty mirage]

[odd hazel]

Koffings gonna smog on you if you dont do that

[red glen]

i work for a gas company and im offended

[echo geyser]

[shrewd night]

Good lad

[restive inlet]

😃

[limber lion]

Good boy.

[odd hazel]

if only cev called me---- wait never mind

[limber lion]

Good morning! 🥱

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage do you sleep papi?

GM tho

[gusty mirage]

Define sleep

[royal lantern]

more then 7hours in 1 go

[spice spire]

You were still awake four hours ago

[spice spire]

7 hours?! Let’s not be a glutton. Gimme 5 hours tho oxi

[gusty mirage]

Then definitely not

Haven’t slept in 2 years

[rapid vigil]

Is sin going to be meta for 9.1 PvP?

[spice spire]

#pvp

[gusty mirage]

Probably yeah, but the mad lads in #pvp would know better than us

[spice spire]

We’re pve Andy’s unfortunately

[gusty mirage]

I’m a meager 1900 scrub

[restive inlet]

I got corporal in Vanilla, god tier pvper

[upbeat gyro]

Hey there. By switching a covenant, you will need to refarm all the anima and buy all the sanctum upgrades, right? There is nothing that like is transfered?

[odd hazel]

renown is if you did it before

[south belfry]

You can cheese the anima

By buying anima equipment in your old covenant and reslling on new

[restive inlet]

serious question, apologies if it's been discussed or written about somewhere I haven't seen it yet. With Obediance, would it be possible to reduce flag CD so much that you could sort of sync every other use with Vendetta? 30 seconds cd reduction sounds like too much, but idk?

[upbeat gyro]

From the start of Shadowlands I was always Night Fae, and just around this time i have all the upgrades on Rank3. Preparing for patch 9.1 achievements with it.

And I kinda thought about switching to Venthyr, but if there is all the stuff I would need to grind again, then don't know if it is worth it

[odd hazel]

you would need to start everything over

[slender berry]

it doesnt perfetly line up sadly no

[restive inlet]

aww

[odd hazel]

if you care for min maxxing, its worth the switch---- unless you care about the upgrades and stuff like that. but in reality any of the covenants will be fine to stick with, if you switch thats fine too

[azure bronze]

Your anima increasing achievement stays so at least you take that with you

[upbeat gyro]

Nice, thanks. Maybe I'll stay with Night Fae for some time, at least to get the flying and the mount and maybe after that is done I could think about switching.

[azure bronze]

There will be also more anima increase thingies the higher renown you will have in 9.1

[odd hazel]

just keep in mind you lose everything, transmogs/etc

[upbeat gyro]

Nice! I was kinda thinking about this, if it stays with you when you switch, or if some blizz magic would just lock that increase

[odd hazel]

i dont know how they'll handle mounts but if they follow their ways, im sure it'll go away if you switch

Night fae also has a advantage over the other covs

i wish it was better because the blink is so nice

[upbeat gyro]

I really liked Night Fae because of Sepsis, where it nicely flows in the rotation, at least for me. But the reworked venthyr ability really sounds good now.

And the garden of the night queen is a big plus for me personally. Just having a mat farm just like in Pandaria

[odd hazel]

yeah, flag is also really easy to use, just basically use it on CD

[upbeat gyro]

before it had to be timed to do a second click, right?

[gusty mirage]

Not anymore, thankfully

[odd hazel]

im not sure, i didnt play venth before the change

[gusty mirage]

First version of flagellation was sooooo bad

Imagine needing 2 GCDs for awful damage and mediocre amounts of haste

[odd hazel]

SBS is also a fun button if you want to try that out as well.

i'll always say this though

#DoorOfShadowSucks

[red glen]

flashcraft on the other hand :x

flesh*

[odd hazel]

Is meh

But nice

[indigo thicket]

where would you all recommend i start out as if im leveling my rogue guy right now

[south belfry]

wdym

[thorny pond]

Level as outlaw

[odd hazel]

Never outlAw

[restive inlet]

Rogue levelling will feel pretty weak the first like 30 levels+ It especially lacks in aoe early on

[gusty mirage]

Whatever you level as, don’t do it as assassination

[royal lantern]

lvling as rogue is just "everything but not assassination"

sin in lvling is 200%garbage

[lone lantern]

yup

[red glen]

sub feels nice and quick

[thorny pond]

Even at max sin sucks at leveling

[gusty mirage]

Some genius at blizzard decided to not give us venomous wounds until stupid late

[teal bloom]

I leveled as assa from 1 to 120 too, getting venomous wounds felt so nice

[gusty mirage]

So you sit there auto attacking for 80% of the fight

[sturdy merlin]

I actually enjoyed leveling a 2nd rogue with sin

[royal lantern]

even with it, its still dot based, and in open world contet stuff just dies to sstrike->evis or sinester->dispatch lel

[dense cedar]

How so? @sturdy merlin

[gusty mirage]

Trueeee, plus sub has soothing darkness which makes down time nonexistent

[south belfry]

Rip downtown

[sturdy merlin]

Idk i just love the spec but yeah it’s a bit slow until you get that energy regen, i wasn’t in a rush 😛

[gusty mirage]

Autocorrect I’m still in bed

[royal lantern]

hi still in bed

https://tenor.com/view/no-going-out-runaway-gif-8342034

[upbeat gyro]

Always felt Ass Rogue is more squishy in lvling, especially when you enter the areas of a new xpac

[royal lantern]

eh its mostly cus you kill stuff way slower then most other specs

[spice spire]

Don’t level as sin unless ur an OTP, it’s low key troll

[upbeat gyro]

well i usually just tried it like for a few quests, then switch to sub and see how that plays, etc.

[teal bloom]

Weird to see sim put first rupture on the second target at 21 seconds in 2 target sim lol. Crimson tempest seems to be higher priority, I've thought it's the other way around

[indigo thicket]

i meant covenant wise, starting at 50

[gusty mirage]

Oh, probably necro

Fleshcraft increases your survivability and bonespike is super nice in open world content

[toxic root]

Necro is the deal for the rest of expansion if you are sin

[thorny pond]

Not entirely true but ok

[solid venture]

necro bois will come out on top when obedience gets nerfed

if we cant have deathspike then vampires cant have obedience 😡

[thorny pond]

I just don't think that it's that far from the mean like DS was

[azure bronze]

Just ask DS to get buffed

why does everything needs to get nerfed

[gusty mirage]

Once obedience allows one of our specs to do 25k sustained damage in aoe come talk to me

[icy ember]

[thorny pond]

m'blood

[solid venture]

wine drinkers

[thorny pond]

"wine"

[azure bronze]

Seems on par with WW monk and Havoc

[solid venture]

[slender berry]

why would venthyr drink blood? its not like they are vampires

[gusty mirage]

Don’t get my wrong, I’m also unhappy about the deathspike nerf. But I’d rather see it get buffed than other stuff get nerfed personally

[toxic root]

Really sucked that I change covenant every 2 months and got em all 40 blizzard is nuts

[gusty mirage]

It’s just a “cosmetic thing” remember?

[toxic root]

Yeye for sure

[zealous marsh]

Your choice matters

Help your new allies

[toxic root]

To me the most insane is that you have a penalty and you have to wait to go back like bitch wtf just let me swap

[azure bronze]

I really wonder if they are going integrate some of these covenant abilities once this xpac is over or just straight up ditch them

[toxic root]

Pretty sure dh will keep the hunt 100%

As a talent or whatever

[zealous marsh]

New talent row covenant abilities

[azure bronze]

make flag baseline

or bone spike

[zealous marsh]

But only 3 coz why not

[azure bronze]

[echo geyser]

damn imagine being able to swap between covenants freely

[azure bronze]

cant have fun you know

[gusty mirage]

Nah they’ll scrap it completely for a brand new meaningful choice next expac

[zealous marsh]

Imagine flag and sbs being talents

[toxic root]

Ye actually you should be able to swap withoth doing pre quest

Seems like devs are actually mad

[viscid spear]

Bought a cloak vessel for 17k so I have it

Always so dead in here in the morning.

[echo geyser]

[soft shale]

im here if you need me bud

[gusty breach]

2 cloacks for 9k, 235 😋

[gleaming spire]

[uneven hamlet]

i'll try only craft doomblade on cloack if i don't drop any hands w socket before week 4

[viscid spear]

My server's economy is bad.

[gusty breach]

tbh, i got lucky probably, our ring price is 50k, 235ilvl

minimum

[uneven hamlet]

torghast = sleepy sleepy

[cunning needle]

anyone know how assi is looking in m+ in 9.1 compared to outlaw

or is outlaw still looking to be > assi in general

[viscid spear]

I'ma stick to what I have too for a bit, just to feel it out.
But I wanted to have it at the ready before the market for vessels goes down the tube.

[uneven hamlet]

I bought 2 pieces too, one for each, the problem I have is farming ashes, too boring

[polar ice]

damn rings on hyjal over 125k 😦

[viscid spear]

I love doing Torghast, though I hate Soulforges (damn you 0.5 second casters) and Mort'regar (never get the power to absorb the puddles and I always get the floor where you go platform hopping and it drops you into aggro range of half the mobs everytime)

[covert stratus]

100k in italy 😦

[steel bane]

Guys, I have Necro and Venthyr at 40. Any reason to switch now ? Necro atm.

[viscid spear]

Wait and see

[steel bane]

I saw the pins.

[polar ice]

so opinions of if its safe for me to roll w/ venth for pure ST build? should i start the switch today before NA reset?

[final star]

Get quest done to changw

Hold til you are sure to change

[wanton mortar]

im already doing the quest to swap back to necro on wednesday

can i hold the quest forever?

[tulip nacelle]

yes

[mossy crown]

Did I make a mistake switching to necro from vents? I mainly play sin/outlaw.

[tulip nacelle]

unless it interacts with season changing and we don't know about it

[mossy crown]

Must admit tho I do like SBS play style.

[limber lion]

Venthyr isn't the best on Outlaw.

But it is really good for sin.

Necrolord is honestly the better overall choice if you enjoy playing both.

[wanton mortar]

but if obedience remain that strong

is not to bad for outlaw right?=

[sonic schooner]

In a way kyrian is the outlaw go

[limber lion]

Most likely not.

[mossy crown]

Cool. Already have 40 renown in venth so not too bad if need to switch. Basically do what Ceverion does. WWCD.

[limber lion]

Obedience is looking like the go-to choice for all Venthyr rogue specs in single target.

[balmy nebula]

@limber lion will you make defensive spreadsheet again for new raid ? or is it already finished?

[polar ice]

Cev, have you decided yet or are you keeping your powder dry on the cov choice?

[charred wraith]

how many fights in sod on which the difference between necro and sin becomes smaller?

[limber lion]

We will be updating the spreadsheet we made earlier with the new raid

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[balmy nebula]

cool ty

[limber lion]

I'm going Venthyr for the first few weeks. I'll keep Necrolord ready so I can swap whenever.

[polar ice]

much appreciated sir

[limber lion]

Most likely will do The Tarragrue and The Eye as Venthyr and then maybe swap, but not 100% sure yet.

[thorny pond]

Go venth till you need necro aye

[charred wraith]

those are first 2 bosses though, they shouldnt be that tight even at the start

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

[mossy crown]

Do we need to be renown 40 come patch day?

[thorny pond]

No

It helps but no

[mossy crown]

I’m stuck at 33.

So pleased it’s not needed.

[charred wraith]

do remnants of nerzul have any adds except the orb which needs to be dps'ed down and thrown off?

[thorny pond]

All campaign/souls/anima done?

[mossy crown]

Yeah.

[thorny pond]

Also next week is basically a free catch-up week

Still S1 and CN for PvE

[azure bronze]

nope

[mossy crown]

Going save my daily emissary until Wednesday.

[azure bronze]

it's also darkmoon faire week coming weekend if you want to farm rep

[limber lion]

I gotta say

It's possible I'll stay Venthyr until like Sylvanas

We'll just have to wait and see what happens with tuning and whatnot.

[charred wraith]

even though half of the fights have an extra target for sbs, it isnt really helping with boss dmg itself which is the most important this raid, except maybe for KT, unless some adds are bugged again like on Sire

[viscid spear]

Is Sylvanas the only real add fight in the raid?
At least more add-heavy than the others

[azure bronze]

I see venthyr being extremely good for phylactery phase for KT

[charred wraith]

thats also true

Roughly speaking only garrosh torture probably favors necro (and maybe the nine)

[south belfry]

Garrosh being tortured favors everyone

[viscid spear]

Hey I like Garry

[south belfry]

I said everyone

[topaz sparrow]

@balmy condor sorry for taggin u , but can u do a dungeonslice with theotar obdience but with wasteland instead? im simming way higher on live .

with theotar

[cobalt pelican]

just.. do it yourself?

[limber lion]

Yeh, Whispyr linked the sims

You can just do it yourself.

[outer iris]

Hey guys, if i dont plan to play raid in 9.1, only M+, does it worth to stay in Necro? I know its hard to say anything before the patch is out, im just would like to know your opinion, thank u very much 🙂

[limber lion]

Yoy should stay Necro if you only want to do M+, yes.

[outer iris]

Thanks for the fast answer mate, i only planning some kind of HC raiding for the daggers, but i think its doable with Necro

[south belfry]

Ye 100%

[limber lion]

Yep

[topaz sparrow]

not sure how to mess with raidbots ptr , but sure

[halcyon blade]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[viscid spear]

Well yeah, ofc you'd want those daggers, no shame in doing HC to get them so you can pump in M+

[alpine latch]

I'm farming Normal til I get them

and I'll probably run LFR too since it's all different color options

[mossy crown]

so in new raid is there a lot of ST fights?

[vale marten]

as far as im aware, only 2

[viscid spear]

Supposedly more ST focused than CN I heard

[azure bronze]

ST/ ST focused fights yes Tarragrue, Nerzhul, Painsmith, Fatescriber, KT phylactery phase, soulrender(just manage adds), Guardian

The eye is sorta ST focused but also has cleave

[mossy crown]

wow, quite a few then

[viscid spear]

Or was it less burst-required fights? I don't recall

[azure bronze]

only true cleave fight probably will be The Nine and Sylvanas

[vale marten]

i assumed he asked pure ST

[mossy crown]

might farm renown to 40 for necro, then back to venth

[vale marten]

like no adds at all

[azure bronze]

Guardian(if it's a dps wall like sludge) and KT(phylactery) probably require the most burst and maybe painsmith if you want that hell to be over

[viscid spear]

I like the pain

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Oxi you going sub bud?>?

[spice spire]

Oxi is a sin OTP though?

[solid venture]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[solid venture]

no more crit haste? so i should craft doomblade on cloak with haste & vers?

[viscid spear]

How much Haste is too much?

[spice spire]

That’s an old command

[spice spire]

Sim urself first and foremost

[spice spire]

No such thing, just check top gear for upgrades

[plain thistle]

you probably dont want more than 30% baseline, because we have DR now 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I hope not my best parses this tier are mostly outlaw

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Going to play a bit of all 3 probably again

[gusty mirage]

mythic

@spice spire heroic

[spice spire]

99 gaming

[azure bronze]

Where is sub?

[gusty mirage]

I left it in normal

[sonic schooner]

I think I've sub in my best

[spice spire]

I’ve aggressively mediocre damage and can’t parse rn because I’m stuck on tank duty for heroic reclear before 9.1

[sonic schooner]

Oh no I don't, I've full sin and one outlaw

In normal I've 3 sub best

[solid venture]

any normal parsers

[spice spire]

100 gamer

[plain thistle]

no

[gusty mirage]

lets see the gabagoo

show us them meaty mythic parses

[spice spire]

Jhonwei mythic parsing check though

[limber lion]

Are we sharing parses again

[sonic schooner]

normal parses

[gusty mirage]

I was simply proving that I was not a one trick pony

and it turned into parse day

[solid venture]

[gusty mirage]

:3

[spice spire]

Ceverion OTP parse check

[limber lion]

Which difficulty

[spice spire]

World 26 and 43

Heroic

[viscid spear]

I do love seeing the amount after 12s of Flag

[spice spire]

Hit me with the ol 9.0 number one global

[gusty mirage]

yes

[plain thistle]

my mythic parses this tier weren't amazing, never got a good log on slg,council or sludge

[gusty mirage]

show me the numbers that made me fanboy for you @limber lion

[limber lion]

I would be quite a bit higher if we didn't private log to be fair.

[soft shale]

private logs are hell

[gusty mirage]

still a stud in our hearts

[soft shale]

[limber lion]

Improved my parses quite a bit after joining my new guild.

[spice spire]

Improved

[soft shale]

although all my rank 1s got stolen by push and others in days

[limber lion]

Heroic gamers

[soft shale]

lets gooo

[spice spire]

R1 GIGA

[gusty mirage]

😍

[soft shale]

i only had sun king and slg as rank 1

but sun king got sniped fast

[gusty mirage]

healing parses don't count dino

😛

[spice spire]

What’s your best on mythic hungering privately? I’d you even know

[soft shale]

if you look at my public logs you can laugh a bit tho ahaha

[limber lion]

99, 6.8k dps

[soft shale]

but i did get sks

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Pretty awful kill timers.

[gusty mirage]

HOW ARE YOU SO GOOD

[soft shale]

also i had a wipe on sludge with 8.1k dps

rip

[spice spire]

6.8k still pretty Huge

[spice spire]

OOF

[soft shale]

yea that red moon when dfv decided to crit every time

[gusty mirage]

man did 1k more dps than my hungering kill

and is mad about it

smh

[soft shale]

my best hungering is garbo

its like 5.8 or something like that too

[limber lion]

Welp

[gusty mirage]

See I told you I suck

[spice spire]

Mines like 5.5, died every time though

[soft shale]

oh its actually 5.9

well still shiet

[limber lion]

On Sludge?

[soft shale]

nah my best sludge is like 7.8k

but hungering is 5.9

[limber lion]

Ah right

[soft shale]

oh i would still be rank 3 on slg

man sub really does suck there

i would be the only tornado gamer apart from grimzyo at least

[gusty mirage]

do you offer pve coaching? @limber lion

[limber lion]

I do, for a price.

:'''')

[gusty mirage]

Name it and I'll double it

You're just worth it

I'll finally get you that air conditioning

[spice spire]

Does oxi get a #1 Fan discount?

[gusty mirage]

so you can sleep

[spice spire]

Or does he just buy the number one fan for ac?

[gusty mirage]

our boy's sweating away in a heatwave

its the least I could do

[limber lion]

I'm rocking a table top fan when I'm gaming but that's about it

We don't really have ac's in Finland, it's not really a thing

[gusty mirage]

we'll make you a trendsetter

[limber lion]

[loud trench]

Anyone have a rogue specific notes guide boss for boss for SoD? Figured I would ask that before asking thing like “can you cloak intermission on tarraque lol

[winged basin]

I didn’t get to test the raid so couldn’t even try to pretend like I know

[limber lion]

Don't think that exists yet, but we are updating the Book of Shadows with the new tier the following weeks.

[spice spire]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[loud trench]

Sweet! Is book of shadows a website? Doc? I have not heard of it

Never mind there is it haha

Thanks

[floral vale]

Do we know where we'll be able to get Lashing Scars from in 9.1? Doesn't look like it drops from tazzavesh or SoD

[south oak]

48 renown ifaik

from covenant

[grim jay]

^legendary

[floral vale]

which is week 3?

that's legendary

:c

[grim jay]

and our boy meant the conduit

[floral vale]

calling maybe?

[south oak]

oh right im stupid 🙂

[floral vale]

I'm trying to figure out if I should just swap venthyr today and buy the upgrade from venari (i have all other conduits 226) or if it doesn't matter

[soft shale]

conduit drops from end boss and world boss right now

[floral vale]

I'd rather not be 5 renown venthyr tomorrow for mythic raid though

[soft shale]

do an epic calling and you also will get a 200

[floral vale]

ok so it's probably a non issue

probably 226 come 9.1?

[soft shale]

then you slap 2 ven ari

for 213 and 226

[floral vale]

will I be able to buy venari conduit upgrades next week?

[alpine latch]

no

[soft shale]

no

[alpine latch]

Those get removed tomorrow (or Wednesday if you're in EU)

[subtle moss]

so is venthyr go to covenant for 9.1 raid overall?

[floral vale]

:c

[alpine latch]

9.1 sockets can be bought, drop from rares, and drop in Torghast

[grim jay]

someone said 226 will be the calling reward in 9.1 at some point, not sure about the credibility of his source

or if he made it up

[alpine latch]

Probably?

It's 197 now and it started around 170-something

[grim jay]

tho blizz adding a source to get a higher version in any way seems reasonable. wouldnt be surprising if its yet again the final boss

[alpine latch]

Probably 223 from WQs at the end of the renown grind, 226/229 from callings

[floral vale]

So I’m kinda effed unless I swap today then huh

[pure sentinel]

is torghast getting any changes?

[alpine latch]

Lots, yeah

Read the patch notes, a ton of shit changes

[grim jay]

will prolly stay the same for most

some love it

some hate it

[alpine latch]

As someone who stealths the entire thing and kills the bosses, it's massive changes for me

[cyan prawn]

cant stealth through it anymore and be done in 15mins per week

[cyan prawn]

+++++

[grim jay]

ye

[alpine latch]

Yeah, 10-15 minute Torghast wings was great..

[grim jay]

might be worth going in a group now 😄

[jagged yoke]

any idea what assassinations aoe is looking like compared to other classes in 9.1?

[main blaze]

9.1 isnt out yet so not much to say

[dull fulcrum]

Hey, i haven't played in a while anything i need to do/know about 9.1 that you guys consider of importance

[somber dove]

yoo is there a better solution for conduits besides swapping them every time when i play outlaw in m+ and sin in raids, can i use a different soulbind for one of them that isnt that big of a dps loss? im necro btw

[raven vapor]

been away over the weekend, are we saying venth now or is necro still a solid pick? (i much prefer necro gameplay)

[cyan prawn]

necro still super fine, venth if you want to play sub too

[raven vapor]

if sub is more in line with sin/outlaw now i'd rather play sin+sub

i'll see how sub performs over the first few weeks then make the decision, i'd rather stay necro 🙂 thanks

[rocky ruin]

If you like Necro then stay i dont see any reason to swap again for some better parses

[azure bronze]

Emeni is a good choice for m+ as OL and just stick to heirmir for raids

[somber dove]

aight, thank you (:

[raven vapor]

play style is different though so read up before starting a key

[nimble marlin]

Is it still a weekly cap on renown if ur behind 1 week of renown quests? For example if u swap covenant this week.

[thorny pond]

You can theoretically catch up to 40 in one week

[placid cobalt]

you can literally spam HC plaguefall 24/7 on a premade group and gain renown that way to the cap

not recommending it though

[nimble marlin]

I was wondering for 9.1 release as in this patch you got 3 renown/week wich would mean that if u swap now, you would be in week 2 of 9.1 and theoretically have 6 renown levels to be up to date. Can you do those 6 levels in one week?

[slim tree]

Is doomblade still gonna be the recommended leggo for sin rogue?

[limber lion]

Yes

[placid cobalt]

@nimble marlin if it's like 9.0 yes

[limber lion]

For raiding and as a non-Venthyr, yes

[nimble marlin]

Thank you

Prolly gonna be, no reason to change that system i guess

For the worse 🙂

[dull fulcrum]

/wa

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[placid cobalt]

i mean, you can catchup now all the way to cap as well if you want, it's really no difference

[dull fulcrum]

@limber lion tyty

[solid venture]

So doomblade will always outperform zoldyck even with sylvanas daggers?

[limber lion]

Why would the daggers change anything about Zoldyck?

[zealous marsh]

he means that sylvanas dagger has this effect

more target is hurt more damage

or sth

[limber lion]

Yes, it has an execute effect

But what does it matter?

[solid venture]

Oh idk I thought the sylv dagger effect was another bleed

[limber lion]

It's definitely not.

It's a Shadow Damage proc

[solid venture]

Fair enough

[limber lion]

The fist weapon has a bleed

Maybe you got those mixed up.

[placid cobalt]

i mean i wouldnt really call it an execute. If the target has low health you have higher chances of applying the debuff, but afaik since it caps at 4 stacks anyway, you will have them well before execute?

[nimble marlin]

Yeah im max in both necro and venthyr, but i just swapped to necro again for 9.1, whilst now with legendary update it could be worth with swapping for mythic prog

But as you guys descirbe, sims are shaky

[limber lion]

Doing more damage when the boss has lower health = execute

You get the last stack at 25%

[placid cobalt]

oh so they changed it again, mb

[limber lion]

They didn't.

[placid cobalt]

how does it work then, every 25% u get a stack?

[limber lion]

Yes

It's been like that since they introduced it

[placid cobalt]

when i tested it i would get stacks regardless of hp but maybe it's because it was dummy i guess

[limber lion]

Maybe you just pumped too hard on the pillar

[placid cobalt]

XD

[limber lion]

But the stacks never reset

So if you got to 4 stacks, it would stay at 4 stacks

[placid cobalt]

got u

[limber lion]

But it's really wonky

They just removed the proc altogether recently

So now we're just waiting to see what they come up with.

Or if they can get it to work or not.

[placid cobalt]

@nimble marlin i was necro in 9.0, and tbh i thought it better because loosing 100-150 dps on pure ST wasnt that big of a deal. assuming obedience sims are accurate however, now venth is ahead by over 400 dps, i doubt we won't play it if it's like that

[dull fulcrum]

Anyone has that weakaura that showed the duration of your bleeds on green and then in red when they were in the refresh window?

[nimble marlin]

400 dps on max ilvl?

[thorny pond]

Maybe they just remove it

[alpine latch]

On the Sylvanas dagger?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[rich wren]

yeah it's turned off on PTR

[alpine latch]

Ah damn, I didn't know that

[placid cobalt]

kinda bad tho that they rework stuff like this 2 days before release

[azure bronze]

They got 1 week plus till raid opens to fix it

[placid cobalt]

guess they do, i just feel like it's gonna be another disappointment when they destroy it on weeks 1 or 2 of raiding

@nimble marlin according to sims at max ilvl yes, they are pinned to the channel

again assuming leggo doenst get nerfed and sims are correct in the first place

[nimble marlin]

True true

Thanks for your time

[placid cobalt]

like personally i think best thing is to have both at 40 for patch release

then make a more educated decision on week 2-3 or whenever we know whatsup

[nimble marlin]

Yeah, i do have max lvl on both. Just "annoying" that if u wanna swap covenant it takes 2 weeks

[keen flint]

Is there a comparaison about racial ? Sim Dps ?

[echo geyser]

Herodamage has

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[keen flint]

ty

[patent isle]

At what number of targets do we refresh CT during a Shiv window? I know we let it drop off in ST but does this change at 2+ or 3+ targets?

And at what number of targets do we not bother Shiv'ing at all?

[waxen harbor]

Soo why are all top rogues goes on Necro instead of Venthyr ?

[worn monolith]

i think it's because necro is better in non ST situations, and very very close to venthyr in ST

[grim jay]

people that wanna play sin/outlaw go necro

[inner temple]

also with obiedence being so far ahead, its likely to see tuning

[waxen harbor]

Soo i dont know realy which cov i should take

[inner temple]

what are you now?

[solid venture]

Nerf obedience

[waxen harbor]

Atm Nothing

[inner temple]

what do you do? raid/m+/pvp?

[waxen harbor]

All of this

[inner temple]

random bg's or rated arena?

[old halo]

Sub Necro pvp is looking strong

[waxen harbor]

rnd bg`s

[inner temple]

assuming heroic raid?

[waxen harbor]

yeah maybe myth if i get a place

[inner temple]

i would go necro if i were in your shoes

disclaimer, i am also necro.

[limber lion]

That's actually incorrect.

Ah sorry, I read it wrong.

At 2+ targets we would apply CT regardless of Shiv windows.

[waxen harbor]

ok so necro assa in raid , outlaw in m+ assa in pvp , right?

[limber lion]

It's only for one target where it matters.

[limber lion]

Sure

[inner temple]

yeah, you can play ass in m+ too

def more involved and takes a bit more effort but its def great too

[waxen harbor]

I like sub too but sub is better with venth?

[inner temple]

i believe so

[frosty bridge]

Gotta ask here quickly too: if you switch covenant mythic week, are you permanently behind?

Or can you catch up the 2 renown you'd get from souls+anima quests

[inner temple]

catchup should cover you los, just rng drops :/

[lusty bane]

With the buff to sub aoe. Is it viable now for M+. Currently, necro sin for m+.

[limber lion]

Yes, you can catchup.

[inner temple]

and they'll be rare since your so close to being current

[limber lion]

Yes, it's beating Sin by quite a bit.

[lusty bane]

Oh my…

Thanks lol

[crisp steppe]

sin is still good tho

[inner temple]

you has links? havnt seen them compared for dslice

[limber lion]

Pins literally have DSlice sims.

[frosty bridge]

@limber lion staying necro my man?

[limber lion]

No, going Venthyr for now.

[frosty bridge]

Noice, I went for the same

Let's see how it works out

[inner temple]

comparing sub | ass dslice? maybe im blind lol

[limber lion]

My boy

There's 2 spec channels

And they both have pins

And they both have their respective specs'

sims in the pins

[inner temple]

yeah, as images, just asking if the reports are out there is all lol

[limber lion]

Wut

I'm so confused

Those are the reports

[inner temple]

results != report

[limber lion]

What does report mean to you?

[inner temple]

the html breakdown maybe better way to put it

[limber lion]

There's literally

a link

in the pins

to the sims

where you can open up the sims

for yourself

and go take a look at the html

[vestal wren]

you could have used one line to write this

^^

[limber lion]

Literally says "link to sims" above the picture that you just took

[vestal wren]

and yes, whispyr posted the raidbots reports in the pins, so you just need to follow those

[inner temple]

yep, mistook it for a link to the image, found what i was looking for

[echo cargo]

Vampire daddy stonks

[vestal wren]

^

[waxen harbor]

So still necro xD or what im confused now :D:D:D:D

[limber lion]

Necro and Venthyr are both fine.

[odd hazel]

You can play any CoV and be fine

[echo cargo]

I’m gonna go ahead and say necro unless you like it when Denathrius chokes you

In which case Venth

Ez

[odd hazel]

Necro and venth are the prime choices

[gray pond]

is it too late to change the covenant? Will it be easier when the patch comes?

[humble ginkgo]

cev are you staying necro?

[odd hazel]

Venth seems a bit more stronger In mythic+ then it was in 9.0.5 but that’s if obedience is actually good with triple potency

[odd hazel]

You can do when ever tbh

[limber lion]

No

[odd hazel]

Venth boy cev ?

[grim jay]

@limber lion you should make a counter for how often you get that question

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

[cyan prawn]

just make a command like !cevcov or sth

[gray pond]

Thank you, I should check if there is an easier way to catch up the renown

[odd hazel]

You can catch up in like a day or two

@limber lion is there a reason you’re changing back? Im just hoping on sub being good if not I was thinking about going necro

[limber lion]

Sub stonks too high.

[odd hazel]

Fingers crossed it doesn’t get gutted

[limber lion]

I'll have the Necro quest ready so I can swap whenever

[gray pond]

That easy? I remember it took almost 2weeks when I was switching from kyrian to nf

[odd hazel]

All lfr, normal, heroic. m+ and campaign

Should easily get you to atleast 25+

[spice spire]

Venthyr swap back number 3

[winged basin]

Me too lmfao

[gray pond]

Is there any tips that I should follow? Like first do this before that kind of thing

[winged basin]

Mine will be ready the 6th, with necro lvl 40 and Venth lvl 40 and NF lvl 40 only cov I haven’t been is kyrian

[odd hazel]

Nah just start with the raid difficulty. Do campaign and m+

[spice spire]

Catch up mechanics are also a thing in 9.1

Iirc

[limber lion]

Just leave the campaign and weeklies last.

[gray pond]

Ah ok ty

[burnt star]

If we do 1st part to rejoin cov. Can we delay the 2nd part whenever? Like we could do the 2nd part in 1 month.
Is that what ur implying?

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion when's our first date in sinfall?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[limber lion]

Yes

[burnt star]

Damn

Nice to know

[limber lion]

I'm waiting.

[burnt star]

Thx

[gusty mirage]

That's my plan right now, getting 2nd bar to 100% and sitting on it and seeing where the chips fall

[viscid spear]

Vamp Chads rise up!

[modern heart]

man that looks so cool

[spice spire]

Diamond hands on the stinky bois

[paper cairn]

Im staying necro boy

[viscid spear]

Vamp chads and Zombie stacies unite

[modern heart]

ye it looks cool but i feel like my rl is gonna yell at me if i go ventyr

[viscid spear]

Why would he?

[restive inlet]

Team edwards slaps! or well, whips

[modern heart]

cause the moment an add spawns i could've been doing more dmg with necro

or am i in tunnelvision

and it dosnt really matter?

[viscid spear]

I'd just slap Ruptures and Garrotes on adds

I'm the melee lead in our guild and someone demanded to be able to play Surv Hunter.

[paper cairn]

Year of the Spear

he wants that unique spear

[gusty mirage]

so your RL would be mad that you did more boss damage at the risk of doing a less on an add?

[inner temple]

let them play survival, someone needs to keep the bench warm :/ lol

[covert basin]

Rogues won'

[viscid spear]

We also have an UH DK who is going to be mad that they're not so great anymore

[gusty mirage]

DKs will be fine

[modern heart]

my rl has a survival alt and he's blasting

[covert basin]

Won't* be the ones doing massive add damage regardless and the increase comes from setting up dots and getting to smack, at which point most adds will be dead. Survival hunters are not a bad class per se compared to their ranged counterparts. There's a lot of stigma around melee classes considering DK's AMZ nerf et cetera, but both UH and Frost have clear niches that they do well in, namely execute and burst windows.

[paper cairn]

I rolled UH DK for a bit of prog on M Sire, but now im back to my comfort zone of rogue

[modern heart]

and i was a unholy dk this tier

[outer kernel]

Isnt there a timer that u have to complete the quest Till end of the id?

[viscid spear]

Combine that with a WW Monk that doesn't like researching fights and two Fury Warriors fighting over Kel'thuzad's sword, it's going to be a fun tier

[gusty mirage]

not that I know of

if you don't turn in the first one before reset you end up waiting another reset to do the 2nd

but thats about it

[waxen harbor]

Your Guilds give a place for Rogues?

[outer kernel]

If i remember correctly is saw a counter

[gusty mirage]

this is my third time switching back to venthyr and I haven't seen a timer at all

[outer kernel]

Ah so i can Do the second 100% whenever i want?

[quick vale]

Is venthyr looking like the go to ?

[gusty mirage]

afaik yeah

[limber lion]

Yes.

[viscid spear]

I'm the only raiding Rogue in mine.
Had an Outlaw last expac but he got the Carapace dagger and decided to go Sin

[gusty mirage]

worst case scenario if you get the first one out of the way

[limber lion]

Depends what you want to do.

[paper cairn]

if you play Sub/Sin yes

[gusty mirage]

if there is a timer, you can just do halls normal twice and 1 WQ or grab 1 treasure and be done with it

shouldn't take more than 30 minutes tops

[paper cairn]

If you play outlaw/sin necro is good for that

[quick vale]

So the pins are still correct and I asked a stupid question

[limber lion]

There is no timer whatsoever

[waxen harbor]

aah , its hard to find a raidplace as an rogue atm

[outer kernel]

Okay cause now i am necro and looks like venthyr it is xD

[viscid spear]

Venthyr or Necro are equally good. Pick whichever you want.

[gusty mirage]

ironically the actual quest to switch back is the only part they didn't make miserable

[humble ginkgo]

Imagine if it wasnt 2 lockouts

it was 14 days

[viscid spear]

Gotta bring a lot to the table.
You'd be surprised how many players don't know the sheer amount of things Engineering allows you to do.

[humble ginkgo]

raidplace as a rogue

engineering

[tacit wedge]

gotta bring a lot
Just 2 immunes
No raid benefit

[viscid spear]

This was before every raid had a repair NPC.

[tacit wedge]

And "immune"

[quartz iris]

Is the shiv removing enrage going to work on raid bosses in 9.1 like it did on the say council fight in CN?

[tacit wedge]

CoS is the best immune

[paper cairn]

theres no adds that enrage in the next raid

[quartz iris]

Bosses

[paper cairn]

no

[quartz iris]

If I remember it correctly it did work on nicklaus if you were lucky

[gusty mirage]

I've saved a pull in Rastakhan by being the only brez alive and brezzing our tank

[paper cairn]

theres nothing to shiv remove in next raid at all

[gusty mirage]

[winged basin]

My guild tryna eliminate me and my Bröther

[humble ginkgo]

ive done that in m+ not in raid tho

[winged basin]

or*

[gusty mirage]

I've also had the brez backfire and kill me

[winged basin]

Pitting us against each other in a duel of mechanics and dps next tier to see who gets rogue spot

[humble ginkgo]

I know it says it can happen but its like

super low chance right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[quartz iris]

Thanks

[gusty mirage]

ripped a 21 halls with that this season

[waxen harbor]

uff thats hard 😄 who won?

[humble ginkgo]

thats what you get for playing rogue

that shit zaps you

[gusty mirage]

"I got the brez, wait where did all my health go?"

[winged basin]

Nobody yet, I was keeping up well at 215 to 226 with sockets

Next tier aotc week 1 3 day 3 hours a day should be a good estimate of who wins

I’d like to see sin so good it’s not bad to bring two

I don’t want to fight for a spot with him

[humble ginkgo]

all 3 rogue specs are good

we just dont bring anything

but damage

[winged basin]

I agree

[humble ginkgo]

tough luck

[tacit wedge]

Numbing poison cumulates with curse of weakness, right ?

[winged basin]

but we aren’t bleeding edge

[tacit wedge]

For 40% slowed swing timer?

[humble ginkgo]

ah if ur aotc only yea

[winged basin]

We missed ce this tier, and now they want to metafy our team

[humble ginkgo]

ohh

[winged basin]

Nah 7/10 mythic

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[winged basin]

I went from fire mage back to my rogue whom I’ve played since wrath

[humble ginkgo]

dont worry man

[winged basin]

Cause rogue bis

[humble ginkgo]

limit max will say that rogues are good

after rwf

and you will get put on the roster

every GM soys over limit max

[paper cairn]

no

[humble ginkgo]

DK IS GOOD

[paper cairn]

max will say rogues are good

then blizz will nerf em

[winged basin]

Imma be on the roster for CE prog

[paper cairn]

cause thats how max works

[winged basin]

You better believe that

I’m coming to SoD and showing the fuck out

[humble ginkgo]

Good

he needs to say that sin rogue and sub rogue are too good

and that outlaw needs a buff

[winged basin]

221 with sick nasty stats vs 226 with sockets

Lets fucking cry!

[humble ginkgo]

My stats are still shit

[rotund oak]

stats dont matter that much as ilvl

[winged basin]

I am honestly kinda geared wel I think…