assassination

[zealous marsh]

But few hits is always few hits

[royal lantern]

i rather take the weak af pb that does 0 dmg we have now

over the "lmao 90+ logs are just how many pb procs you got"

[zealous marsh]

Y i remember my pb doing once 20% of my dmg and once 2%

Impossible to parse

Anyway @limber lion still staying necro?

[faint harness]

i think he forgot there are any other covenants

[zealous marsh]

I think so too

[pure sentinel]

why do so many play sin instead of sub

[limber lion]

I'm going Venthyr

[royal lantern]

or he is just smart enough to not swap until mythic is actually out

[limber lion]

But will have Necro ready

[faint harness]

i wanna say it, but i wont

[deep solstice]

Why would you want other covenants when you get to put your bone in as many bodies as possible?

[nimble tartan]

🦇

[zealous marsh]

[deft obsidian]

What if, poison bomb was an actual bomb on the target instead one on the floor an npc can run away from

[royal lantern]

sin does more dmg

thats it

[pure sentinel]

say it

[royal lantern]

people always say they like the gameplay if it does dmg

[faint harness]

nope

[royal lantern]

and that the gameplay sucks if it does no dmg

psuh

its true

[zealous marsh]

Imagine blizz doing that

[royal lantern]

you know that lol

[ruby birch]

people like sub's gameplay

[faint harness]

not talking to you

[ruby birch]

sub does no damage

[modern heart]

[ruby birch]

[pure sentinel]

isn’t sub ahead in 9.1?

or no

[ruby birch]

in 9.1 yeah

[limber lion]

Yes

[faint harness]

yea i mean i play sub even tho its dogshit dmg wise, all of 9.0.5

[modern heart]

good man

he loyal

i like that

[zealous marsh]

Oh push went out from his lair

[pure sentinel]

chad

[ruby birch]

sub is still regarded as a super fun gamestyle regardless of damage it does

[deep solstice]

Just wait, some PVP players will start 1shotting people with sub and it will get nerfed, again.

[royal lantern]

bruh, peeps say that now again, sub in SL litearly went from "OMG SO GOOD at CN start" to "OMG SO BAD WTF WHY WOULD YOU PLAY THAT" midtier, to "OMG SO GOOD GAMEPLAY" cus it does dmg in sims now again lol

[zealous marsh]

At least he have fun

[limber lion]

How come you only talk about sub whenever you're in here?

[royal lantern]

high numbers=people say its fun

[faint harness]

who are these peeps

making shit up

must be tryan

[ruby birch]

i dont :( i told someone how to press flag earlier

[zealous marsh]

Must be boomers

Or zoomers

[ruby birch]

ive personally never heard/seen that

[faint harness]

its his own pov

applied to ppl

that never say it

sadge

[ruby birch]

ive heard one thing only "sub was good at start, other classes got buffed and or were better than sub anyways"

So now sub is bottom because it got ignored

[deft obsidian]

I mean sub was hyped to the moon during beta, not entirely wrong

[pure sentinel]

what is the best rogue race?

[faint harness]

cus ppl like 85% dance uptime

[paper cairn]

[limber lion]

Depends. Do you want maximum deeps?

[winged basin]

41st run got my phial!!!!!!!

[deep solstice]

🤖

[royal lantern]

dark iron tauren

[pure sentinel]

yes

[limber lion]

Mechagnome for alliance, Orc for Horde.

for maximum deeps

[ruby birch]

[pure sentinel]

orc rogue is goofy looking tho

[royal lantern]

imagine playing by race

[harsh anchor]

[zealous marsh]

Btw how long coming back to covenant is taking atm

[royal lantern]

[deft obsidian]

Truth

[ruby birch]

WYM ORC ROGUE LOOKIN GOOFY

[zealous marsh]

Coz blizz killed my fun

[pure sentinel]

undead rogue looks best

[limber lion]

Sure does.

[royal lantern]

2resets

[zealous marsh]

Can’t be gemstone

[halcyon blade]

correct

[zealous marsh]

Anymore

[pure sentinel]

undead rogue superiority

with the tongue

[limber lion]

Takes 1-2 days to get 31+ renown

[ruby birch]

YOU CALL THIS GOOFY?

[limber lion]

Not too bad.

[royal lantern]

you say you go back->do 1quest, next reset you do another quest and you get back

[pure sentinel]

🤮

[limber lion]

Takes 2 resets to swap

[halcyon blade]

pure beauty... must... race change...

[indigo mulch]

@limber lion How many conduits do we get as necro bois in 9.1 cev? D:

[zealous marsh]

I had venth at 40

[limber lion]

One extra potency and the mastery trait

[zealous marsh]

But i betrayed them for necro

[indigo mulch]

Mastery trait :/

[pure sentinel]

orc is so good at pvp too

[limber lion]

So 2 potencies with gemstones

The mastery trait is really good

Venthyr doesn't get anything during mythic week

[deep solstice]

The one true master race:

[limber lion]

Necro gets free mastery

[echo geyser]

that is one demon looking rogue

[zealous marsh]

So this week i do 1 quest and next week i am back with flag?

[echo geyser]

top half looks fine

[deft obsidian]

I’m 40 vent with 40 necro ready on quest hand in, waiting to see how it goes over the next few weeks

[echo geyser]

bottom is

[indigo mulch]

I wonder how long it will take blizzard to nerf obe though

[ruby birch]

why would they nerf obe

[limber lion]

Who knows.

[zealous marsh]

Mby never

[paper cairn]

just be a mad man like me and have all 4 covenants 40 renown

[indigo mulch]

<-

[gusty mirage]

can we stop with the speculation guessing?

it's getting old

[zealous marsh]

I think they want assas to be venth

[neon cloak]

NECRO FOR LIFE

[ruby birch]

i dont think they "want" anything

[gusty mirage]

People thought the SAME shit about doomblade and it wasn't nerfed

[zealous marsh]

We are boomers

[gusty mirage]

just stop

for the love of god

[faint harness]

YEP

10% legendary = insane = must be nerfed

[pure sentinel]

venthyr has good transmog tho

[deep solstice]

Wait till the first parse of a sin rogue with obedience doing double every other class's dps on a damage amp boss. Then it'll be nerfed.

[ruby birch]

???

[faint harness]

ur dreaming

[limber lion]

Hmm

[shrewd night]

[ruby birch]

why sin rogue

[shrewd night]

Do we purge?

[faint harness]

"double dps"

[limber lion]

I was actually thinking about it as well

[ruby birch]

also you think you're gonna outdps an spriest or a boomkin?

[faint harness]

i think many rogue fans will have a rude awakening when 9.1 sims are out for other specs

[pure sentinel]

i thought boomie got nerfed bad?

[faint harness]

just like in 9.0

[crisp steppe]

arcane doing more dam in 1 global than assa in its entire life @deep solstice

[ruby birch]

i see a purge is happening

i must make my appearance

[pure sentinel]

u think they are gonna be bad?

[zealous marsh]

Purge begins

[faint harness]

no but not OP as some ppl seem to think

[warm beacon]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[zealous marsh]

[indigo mulch]

[crisp steppe]

we'll have to see how kyrian mikanikos ends up as well I think @faint harness some specs are being pushed up by that ye

[limber lion]

Anyways, I'm going Venthyr for the first few weeks.

[zealous marsh]

How is vers before crit

[limber lion]

I'll play Venth during heroic week and see how it'll feel

and then make my decision whether or not I stay

[indigo mulch]

You never played sin vent? 😮

[gusty mirage]

I need a parent

[limber lion]

I have

Twice

[zealous marsh]

It’s boring

[limber lion]

Eh, it's fine.

It's not SBS, but it's fine

[indigo mulch]

Does anything really change though? I mean it will never be as fluid as good ol sbs

[zealous marsh]

Well it’s another cd

[deft obsidian]

I enjoy both to be fair but yeh SBS is more engaging is all

[limber lion]

Well, like 500 dps in single

[twilit hollow]

I played it on launch with double Gcd. Awful iteration

[limber lion]

it's pretty massive.

[deft obsidian]

And necrobroshield > door of mailboxport

[indigo mulch]

That is true. 😦

[zealous marsh]

Sbs is more go with the flow

Tbh

[indigo mulch]

Its really annoying playing flag though. I don't really like it but as cev said. 500 dps is 500 dps. :/

[limber lion]

I don't think Flag is annoying whatsoever

[zealous marsh]

It isn’t

[limber lion]

It's just not very exciting imo

[deep solstice]

it's not even close to 500 dps better until 9.1 anyway

[zealous marsh]

But it not being 2 minute cd

[limber lion]

But... that's what we're talking about

We're talking about 9.1

[paper cairn]

its 500 dps at max iLvl*

[echo geyser]

are there any ideas if u sync them yet?

[limber lion]

Probably close to 500 dps even without bis gear

Comparing Necro sin to Venth Sub

[echo geyser]

flag and vendetta always

[limber lion]

that is

[gusty mirage]

Same rules as before I believe

on CD unless you don't lose a cast for syncing

[limber lion]

Same rules, yes.

Nothing changes.

[deep solstice]

except with obedience flag is a 1 min cd most of the time

[limber lion]

Even less reason to sync now if you play Obedience.

[indigo mulch]

How i'm i supposed to get rid of all the haste on my gear now! :'c If i go back vent i'll have to remove like 10% haste somehow :/

[limber lion]

Not quite.

We don't get 30 stacks

Might get if you get giga lucky, but most of the time you don't.

It's around 22-27

[deep solstice]

It's def possible too, just not as easy as for outlaw

[indigo mulch]

On sire its possible

[limber lion]

On P1 Sire it is yes

[indigo mulch]

p1 sire but thats the only time i could get 30 stacks

[limber lion]

It's literally just rng

You either crit or you don't.

There's not much you can do to improve your chances.

[indigo mulch]

But shouldnt hate be even worse for vent sin with obe?

haste*

[limber lion]

Yes

[echo geyser]

does that mean u can just craft crit vers obedience so u can easily flex sub?

[indigo mulch]

I mean if we have enough haste we can hit dem 30 stacks though 😮

big

[limber lion]

Sure

[indigo mulch]

I'm just going to craft two. Who cares when you can farm soul ash

[deep solstice]

vers is not a dead stat for sin by any means

[warm beacon]

@indigo mulch if you're not getting PI you shouldn't bother stacking that much haste to reach 30 stacks

[limber lion]

Even if you had infinite haste

You're not hitting 30 stacks

[indigo mulch]

?

[limber lion]

It only comes down to crit chance

Even if your gcd capped

you will not have enough gcd's

to get to 30 stacks

[crisp steppe]

@indigo mulch ye except u can craft legendaries higher than 235 next patch ye

[limber lion]

Crit is the only thing that matters

If you don't crit, you don't get stacks.

You need to crit with mutilates to get combo points

[deep solstice]

You have to believe in the heart of the cards cev.

[ruby birch]

just dont lag on sire to get 30 stacks

[zealous marsh]

What slots obedience goes for btw?

[limber lion]

Cloak

[indigo mulch]

Sacrifice a goat to RNGsus everytime you press flag. np

[ruby birch]

its not really RNG

as sin you're always going to land between 22-26 stacks

[zealous marsh]

Same as doomblade

Interesting

[limber lion]

Yes

You always get 22-26 stacks

rarely 19

[deep solstice]

I prayed in yell chat to satan for my Sudden fractures last week and he provided. Def recommend.

[ruby birch]

unless you get like REALLY lucky

[zealous marsh]

Need two cloaks then

[limber lion]

But they're specifically talking about reaching 30 stacks

That's where you need to be lucky.

[indigo mulch]

I mean if your trash at playing rogue and don't pool properly like me and you hit like 15 stacks 😦

[ruby birch]

for 30 you'd need to probably crit every mut

[limber lion]

Yes

If you need to use 2 mutilates everytime you finish, you won't hit 30 stacks

[zealous marsh]

Didn’t whispyr said pooling gives only small advantage?

[limber lion]

Yes.

It's not giga.

[noble valve]

what stacks are yall talking about

[limber lion]

Nothing.

[zealous marsh]

I pool only before shiv and vend window

[limber lion]

That's fine

As long as you don't hold any cds

[zealous marsh]

Not holding

[indigo mulch]

I'm trying to pool to 80 at all times 😒 Unless i know i have to run away from the boss then i just waste as much as i can.

[deep solstice]

optimally pooling for flag will be fairly impactful with obedience though.....1% haste/vers per CP spent over 12 secs.

[ruby birch]

pooling energy for envenom buff

[zealous marsh]

I need to start to record my pulls

[indigo mulch]

Wait when do we actually get obe?

[zealous marsh]

Coz im pretty sure i stopped thinking about that

[limber lion]

We do pool on Envenom.

[gusty mirage]

renown 48

[limber lion]

That's the common rule.

[deep solstice]

so mythic week ya?

[gusty mirage]

yea

[limber lion]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

will we even get renown 48 first mythic week? don't we get like 3 per week?

[limber lion]

Yes?

[ruby birch]

ye thats the ironic 5head

[crisp steppe]

43 46 49

?

[indigo mulch]

oh wait

[limber lion]

Yes.

[gusty mirage]

mythic doesn't open up until july 13/14

[indigo mulch]

Math is hard

[zealous marsh]

Thats the issue

You will be testing obe on mythic

[deep solstice]

I mean by then it wont really be testing. Sims will be fairly well established.

[zealous marsh]

Sims is sims

[indigo mulch]

Hmm

[zealous marsh]

Raid environment is raid environment

[indigo mulch]

The "balance" patch generally comes with mythic week aswell right?

[limber lion]

That also means that we cannot test it during heroic week

meaning that it won't see play

meaning that it won't get nerfed.

[deep solstice]

obedience literally does not change your rotation in any way, IE you wont really need to relearn anything.

[dusk basalt]

still crafting doomblades on the new slot right? cloak i think?

[limber lion]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

Yes

[echo geyser]

do blizz never balance stuff based on sims? just log stats ?

[crisp steppe]

NA betatesters will show whether obedience owns in mythic week

EU chilling

[limber lion]

Who knows.

[echo geyser]

whats been the case in the past?

[indigo mulch]

Sometimes it just feels like they randomly throw out nerfs/buffs.

[crisp steppe]

every1 just pretend obedience doesn't exist

[limber lion]

They don't really tell us what they base their balancing on.

[zealous marsh]

Then cev will go slap boss like a little biatch

[faint harness]

Blizzard use spreadsheets

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

i think a lot of it is when 99% of a spec are stacked on 1 covenant

we don't have that

[zealous marsh]

And blizz will say oh no no no

[indigo mulch]

Actually they did say they balance from their own metrics and how much a spec is played.

[hollow river]

if anything they buff NF

[split cipher]

Balance patches happen after heroic week typically so I feel like we're the beta testers

[dusk basalt]

necro assassination still going to be good?

[limber lion]

Yep

[limber lion]

Yes

[faint harness]

40% of the game plays nf

[zealous marsh]

I think they should buff doomblade again

[hollow river]

for rogue my guy

...

[zealous marsh]

It’s fun

[indigo mulch]

99% of the time the "big" balance patch of a new raid tier comes with mythic

[echo geyser]

has anyone even tested to see which fights are benefitting necro compared to just straight ST?

[indigo mulch]

after that its just small adjustments

[echo geyser]

usually only the later fights matter right

last 3-4

[faint harness]

Ppl assume necro is good for sylvanas

[hollow river]

once they see the cheese the top 10 guilds are using

[faint harness]

But nobody truly knows

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

they'll fix the cheese first

[limber lion]

We don't have any idea

how Sylvanas p3 even works

[deep solstice]

I mean this is recent blizzard boss design. Most bosses have some form of cleave even when completely unnecessary.

[limber lion]

I mean, we have the encounter journal

but

[zealous marsh]

But on second phase are adds

[faint harness]

So

[zealous marsh]

From what i saw

On youtube

[faint harness]

Does any add mean its good

[limber lion]

Yes?

[zealous marsh]

On p1 and p3 is single target

No

[indigo mulch]

I mean 90% of it is ST though

[zealous marsh]

Its minor advantage

[faint harness]

You still want to st in p2

[zealous marsh]

Thats what in trying to say

[limber lion]

Also

[faint harness]

Cus you can hit her

[slow marsh]

It will just depend on if you want more overall dam or more niche ST dam I think

[limber lion]

We don't know if you want execute on it

or not

[faint harness]

After you kill adds

[slow marsh]

Necro and venth will be very close in overall regardless

[zealous marsh]

You still can slap her p2

[faint harness]

So you wanna nuke that shit most likely

[zealous marsh]

?

[faint harness]

If ur fast enough, as far as i know

On killing adds

There is a moment where you can dps her

[split cipher]

Thought she had a damage reduction aura in p2

[echo geyser]

i do wonder how flag feels outside of vendetta on pure ST

obedience ofc

[faint harness]

Well she would enter P3 at 80% hp

If you couldnt hit her in p2

[split cipher]

I might be misremembering but I think that's how it goes from the testing vids I've seen

[deep solstice]

prob a nzoth style thing then.

[limber lion]

Feels good.

[faint harness]

Dont think the top guilds that actually got to practice p2 streamed it

[slow marsh]

sims say flag is better than vendetta rn

[zealous marsh]

Gemstone

[slow marsh]

if obedience

[faint harness]

And they talked about dpsing her on the wfr roundtable (preach thing)

(In p2)

[placid pagoda]

For M sun king, better to run CP last row & MA for shield burst?

[zealous marsh]

But sims took into account conduit?

[split cipher]

Upon reaching 80% health, Sylvanas chains all players with Domination Chains, then casts Rive, destroying the tower itself.
Tank Banshee Shroud - Enshrouds Sylvanas in darkness, reducing damage taken by 99%.

[zealous marsh]

Lashing one?

[limber lion]

Yes.

CT*

[placid pagoda]

CT yes

[zealous marsh]

Coz lashing would be even better now

[limber lion]

You always play Lashing as Venthyr.

[zealous marsh]

I know

[limber lion]

You did that in 9.0.5 and still in 9.1

The sims always include Lashing,

[slow marsh]

yepper

[echo geyser]

why is lashing better now?

[faint harness]

Yea i know its in there. But players from pieces, echo and limit said you can dps her if you’re fast at killing adds in a podcast

[limber lion]

You get more Flag casts

[faint harness]

So idk what to believe

[limber lion]

= More lashing

= better

[kind quiver]

Lashing has always been great.

[slow marsh]

higher ilvl more free flag stacks yeah

[echo geyser]

oh u mean cause ilvl

[limber lion]

wat

no

You play Obedience

Which reduces your flag cd

[echo geyser]

ah like that

[split cipher]

Be interesting to see, 80% sounds like a lot of hp that far into the fight

[limber lion]

Which means you get more flagellation casts

[deep solstice]

Flag with obedience is like a 1:10 cd instead of 1:30

[limber lion]

which means you get more lashing scars casts

[kind quiver]

Well, Venthyr rogues are really all dominatrix.

[limber lion]

which means you do more damage with lashing scars.

[gusty mirage]

and lashing was already venthyr rogue's best ST conduit, at least for assassination

[echo geyser]

yeah seems good

[zealous marsh]

Thats what’ve meant

[echo geyser]

already the best becomes even better

im sold

[zealous marsh]

Lashing higher ilvl=more pew pew

[limber lion]

The higher ilvl doesn't really do too much.

[zealous marsh]

Well it does sth

[limber lion]

Well

a 213 conduit

[kind quiver]

I need to make a BDSM macro for flag.

[limber lion]

compared to a 226 conduit

was like a +7 dps increase

[zealous marsh]

But 226 to 256(?)

[limber lion]

like it's not much.

[south belfry]

Is Spell ID 2818 not the right one to track deadly poison?

[limber lion]

You use it for the effect.

[limber lion]

Probably like 20-30

[deep solstice]

so now it will be a +11 dps increase. Woo.

[limber lion]

The reason it's better in 9.1

is because of Obedience

not ilvl

[slow marsh]

yeah im drunk

idk why i thought the extra lashes increased with ilvl

[echo geyser]

with obedience u instantly gain haste and vers when u build stacks?

then they linger after too?

[viscid spear]

shh no tears

[slow marsh]

does the 100% increased damage apply to flag stacks in general or only the initial hit

[faint harness]

All flag hits

[faint harness]

Yes

Its just vers on top of haste, same mechanic

[echo geyser]

[viscid spear]

🧛‍♀️ 🧛 vamp chads rise up

[zealous marsh]

Hopefully they will fix tagging with sylvanas dagger

[limber lion]

Hopefully they fix the dagger, period.

[zealous marsh]

Coz two rogues in one raid won’t happen

[deep solstice]

Hopefully it actually works at all on live lol

[limber lion]

They removed the proc from it

[zealous marsh]

Wait what?

[limber lion]

But they got like 10 days or so to get it to work

[zealous marsh]

[limber lion]

So no worries.

[kind quiver]

On your knees Fatescribe!

[soft shale]

its over sylvanas I have the high ground!

[deep solstice]

Im actually looking forward to the fist weps. Those should be great for sub/outlaw in keys.

[zealous marsh]

You caught me off guard with this Cev

Ngl

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

will u be streaming prog? @limber lion i wanna learn venthyr sin

[limber lion]

Most likely :)

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

No promises on Venthyr sin though.

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

boner bois rise

[zealous marsh]

So i will be pushing key with sin

[deep solstice]

I think for early prog we all go night fae, so they dont nerf obedience, then we all swap venth once most of us hit Kelthuzad and fuck him up.

[echo geyser]

[zealous marsh]

I don’t like outlaw vent on m+

[limber lion]

Just get to KT in a week

ez

[gusty mirage]

just flag before your first rupture and you'll be hitting those vampire stonks before you know it

[deep solstice]

world first teams pretend rogues dont exist anyway. no worries.

[limber lion]

Doubt it.

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

Some guilds have really good rogue players

who will gladly play rogue if it's in a good spot.

[slow marsh]

I highly doubt any team will be running no rogues at all

[untold nest]

Why?

[faint harness]

Still waiting for echo to play their 2 rogues on their beloved mains

[echo geyser]

but guys we have shroud and numbing poison

[gusty mirage]

FAT utility

[echo geyser]

also dont forget the huge defensive buff we got

+1 duration on feint

[zealous marsh]

Didn’t blizz said sth about giving sth to rogues?

[faint harness]

20% feint buff

[soft shale]

also when priests use symbol of hope

[gusty mirage]

don't forget back to back crimson vial thanks to holy priests

[soft shale]

WE GET VIAL BACK BOYS

super op

[teal bloom]

Vial Poggers

[soft shale]

oh oxi my man great minds think alike

[deep solstice]

So much yellow. (WF Sire).

[young nacelle]

[slow marsh]

make sure you take that one conduit that lowers energy of vial

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

true gamers already do

[soft shale]

well venth goes 4 endurance

so we can even enjoy new conduit

lets gooo

[slow marsh]

well yeah of course, how else would i get orange heal parses xD

[zealous marsh]

[deep solstice]

The trick is to always proc cheat.

[gusty mirage]

Ah a fellow rogue of culture I see

[soft shale]

this is how you get rank 1 parses

[zealous marsh]

Snd heal + vial

[soft shale]

and when the two new boes are available i will hit 18% thnx to pants

[slow marsh]

What slots are the new boes btw

[deep solstice]

You only get sludgefist healing parses like this by playing perfectly. Obviously.

[soft shale]

pants and wrists

so one overlaps

[echo geyser]

crit mastery BoEs

[soft shale]

but its k

its actually not that bad they are heavy crit

4/1 spread so the mastery itself is very little

[echo geyser]

i am sub main anyways crit mastery is good right

[teal bloom]

@deep solstice imagine if you had a holy priest to reset your vial cd

[soft shale]

tell me about it kek

[quick vale]

What should my opener look like ?

[gusty mirage]

[quick vale]

as a necrolord

[soft shale]

are you necro

[slow marsh]

iqd proc?

[echo geyser]

[deep solstice]

if only @teal bloom .

[soft shale]

nah that is without buffs

[gusty mirage]

if talented into MA: SBS -> SND -> then proceed as normal

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[soft shale]

sbs>snd>mut>garrote

[echo geyser]

i hope the guide has a venthyr guide

bout to read it

[quick vale]

ty guys 🙂

[tulip nacelle]

[quick vale]

much appreciated

[deep solstice]

@tulip nacelle I'm sorry for your loss

[soft shale]

i only had two rank 1s this tier on mythic and they lasted less than a week

sks and slg

[gusty mirage]

[teal bloom]

I was farming renown today and got rank 40 normal inerva darkvein parse

[viscid spear]

We're gonna see more flags than Pride Month the first week of raid.

[limber lion]

Welp

[echo geyser]

btw if u dont crit in opener with muti > garrote do u still cast rupture or u go for another muti before rupture?

[limber lion]

You build to 5-6 CP with DS

So you muti again if that happens.

[gusty mirage]

^

I just wanna know one thing, cross region when so I can hang out in sinfall with cev?

[limber lion]

blizz >:(

[teal bloom]

getting there 😴

[viscid spear]

We could all party in Sinfall

[oak sky]

Idk when ill be back in sinfall i cant play again until the 6th :(

[deep solstice]

How about cross faction so There are more than 3 people I can talk to on alliance side? /wrists

[oak sky]

^^^^

[slow marsh]

Am ally squad

[teal bloom]

Unethical mechagnome faction

[oak sky]

Most of my characters are alliance

But

Rogue gone horde

[echo geyser]

does zoldycks usually make ct better than pb on ST?

[limber lion]

No, PB still wins.

But the gap is smaller.

[deep solstice]

But your target will be bleeding more so they die faster.

[echo geyser]

also i guess its worthy to mention if u go venthyr doomblade has less value compared to necrolord right

if they decide to touch obedience that is

[limber lion]

Well if Obedience gets nerfed, Doomblade is still the best legendary for both.

[haughty valve]

Hi guys!, I'm new to assasination, I'm rushing Necrolord since i main outlaw but want to offspec for raiding, what is going to be the best legendary for a Necrolord Sin rogue? and what are your recomendations guys? 😄

[limber lion]

For raids, Doomblade.

Zoldyck for M+.

[echo geyser]

i wonder if obedience is the dealbreaker for venthyr tho

[limber lion]

If you care about m+ on sin ever.

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

I think what you're wanting to know is if they nerf obedience necro will pretty much be the same to venthyr as it is now?

[deep solstice]

I am very wary of obedience. It's only useful as venthyr and only if they dont nerf it. And we all know blizz has not touched covenant balance at all ever................................................................

[slow marsh]

Obedience is what is pushing venthyr to the 4-500 more ST dps over necro vs the 80-100 it is now

[echo geyser]

its not like they ever touched deathspike right?

[slow marsh]

They nerfed deathspike because of outlaw

[solid venture]

ahh yes because outlaw is such a broken spec

[slow marsh]

They seem to care more about M+ balance than raid balance for some reason

Even though M+ is side content

[solid venture]

[grim jay]

implying blizzard has reasoning behind every nerf

[echo geyser]

[deep solstice]

Because race to world first is 1-2 weeks, but Great Push and MDI last for months.

[young nacelle]

its bc the race to world first lasts for a week, but theres m+ shit everywhere constantly

[grim jay]

M+ is bringing them money

[young nacelle]

metzli

[limber lion]

I've been actively taking part in #assassination for months now, but I feel like today was the day where I lost the most braincells.

[slow marsh]

good

[deep solstice]

Vodka will do that.

[slow marsh]

Just wait until next week

[sonic schooner]

battlepet is the main content of the game tbh

[young nacelle]

[grim jay]

wait for the next balancepass

[deft obsidian]

Gotta catch em all..

[deep solstice]

I've spent most of my day just reporting spambots because alliance LFG looks like this:

[limber lion]

I just hope that everyone would stop speculating altogether. Be it about which class is best, which covenant is best, who plays what class, if something gets nerfed or not etc.

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

I wasn’t here most of the day

[limber lion]

Ya'll are doomsayers and it's cringe.

[slow marsh]

Indeedy

[grim jay]

DOOMsayers... so you implying doomblade gets nerfed?

[sonic schooner]

"do u think obedience will be nerf?"
Ok listen how could i know?

[limber lion]

If something gets nerfed, good.

If something doesn't get nerfed, good.

[young nacelle]

just delete the class tbh

[deep solstice]

tbh I hope they nerf all specs like 30% so race to world first lasts like 3 months.

[young nacelle]

that would be amazing.

[deft obsidian]

The great purge of June 2021

[balmy condor]

But yeah

[slow marsh]

I mean the same people probs have like 4 tier lists in their history page so

[balmy condor]

There’s been a lot of speculation

And a lot of silly doomsaying and anxiety

[deep solstice]

"Dratnos here, week 2 of the world first race. Limit still struggling to meet the DPS check on terragrue"

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Just take a step back and breathe, and realize that even with buffs and nerds, it’ll be okay

Regardless of your covenant choice

[young nacelle]

nerds

[slow marsh]

and a lot of new names o.O

[shy dust]

Even Fae?

[hollow river]

just play the game everyone

[balmy condor]

Probably, yes

[soft shale]

fae is still ok for m+ dont worry

[limber lion]

And we're just like you, we don't know what gets hit and what won't.

[slow marsh]

I remember Cev saying something that has stuck with me tbh

[shy dust]

Koji finally found the ttb optimization?

[slow marsh]

I dont remember exactly what it was

but

[limber lion]

We don't have any secret intel about Blizzard

[faint harness]

Soulshape stonks

[soft shale]

also deceptively strong for arena

[balmy condor]

[soft shale]

ptsd

[slow marsh]

Not missing shivs and increasing uptime on boss is more important than covenant choice

Aka learn the class first

[soft shale]

my man with the takes

[limber lion]

Wise words.

[hollow river]

Oh i thought theorycrafters all worked under Blizzard name

[shy dust]

Well it is true playing better

Will make you play better

[oak sky]

Slam shiv

[soft shale]

also it helps if first week you get two sylvanas daggers

[oak sky]

Like cev will

[balmy condor]

I’m actually ion hazzikostas

[deep solstice]

Optimizing your transmog very important for parsing actually.

[soft shale]

so you can join me on hc and tra them after

[south belfry]

Which spell id do i need to track in plater to see Deadly poison?

[soft shale]

im the colombian thrid nephew of ion

[deft obsidian]

Resto shaman by day, rogue TC by night

[soft shale]

Señor Costas

[hollow river]

i fucking believe it. remember when he figured out it was mathematically impossible to kill that one mythic boss?

has whispyr written all over it

you love math

[soft shale]

doxxing people

[slow marsh]

I have buns mog options from not playing wod legion or bfa so I just rock what i can

[hollow river]

x]

[soft shale]

is wrong

[limber lion]

Didn't have mythic in vanilla*

:')

[balmy condor]

:math:

[gusty mirage]

I think it'd be more accurate of accusing me of being Ion, both lawyers, both have no idea what we're talking about, both suck at the game

[deep solstice]

It would explain why blizz taking so long to launch 9.1. Ion always in rogue discord instead of working.

[hollow river]

it was like BFA boss i thought?

[deft obsidian]

It was C’tun wasn’t it?

[limber lion]

C'thun

in vanilla wow.

[hollow river]

oh

[balmy condor]

Yeah it was prenerf cthun

[hollow river]

wow

[soft shale]

there was also a copy pasta about another MMo

[oak sky]

Was it actually impossible or was there an oversight

[hollow river]

see i'm new here so idk all the old raids and bosses x]

[balmy condor]

Impossible, needed a nerf to be killed

[limber lion]

According to his maths, but who knows

[soft shale]

the inside phase was impossible also some tentacles spawned and could not be killed

[limber lion]

They didn't exactly have our current tools available

[soft shale]

it was because our pcs were also weak as f

[limber lion]

Very napkin math-esque

[deep solstice]

FF11 and FF14 saw prenerf Cthun and thought "What if we did that roughly once per expansion?"

[balmy condor]

But this is getting off topic

[soft shale]

so we got a loading screen to the inside

and 4 or 5 secs already passed

[balmy condor]

Back to the point, which is please remain calm

[hollow river]

sorry ion

[young nacelle]

did i hear everybody panic?

[soft shale]

yea just sharpen your daggers

[young nacelle]

[soft shale]

and get ready to darm DoS

[young nacelle]

[soft shale]

for some sweet totem action

[balmy condor]

I update the pins so you can have some information, but we just don’t know yet

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

And we won’t

[slow marsh]

Honestly

[balmy condor]

And I promise I’ll be here when things change

:)

[slow marsh]

Best pins tbh

[limber lion]

If there isn't any new information in the pins

[soft shale]

also remember keystone master is now both tyr and fort

[limber lion]

we don't have any new information

[soft shale]

so dont int first hc week not getting all 15s

[oak sky]

Ass will be good necro will be good venthy will be good sub will be good

[hollow river]

i got my KSM on tyrannical week

[slow marsh]

Best green names in this channel

[deep solstice]

KSM on heroic week in 9.1 would require like all +22's or something.

[limber lion]

Proud of the plural.

[oak sky]

Cant wait to try sub

[hollow river]

same

[limber lion]

I'll probably stay Necro and try to push keys as Necro Sin

But will swap to Venth before the second reset

[oak sky]

I was venthyr sin in keys last patch anyway im used to it

But ill go nexro at some pt

[hollow river]

venthyr isn't terrible in keys but definitely not bis

[slow marsh]

Yeah my plan is literally just see if they nerf obedience and then decide if it's worth to swap after that

Necro is still fun factor for sure and also I hate thrill seeker

[oak sky]

Venthyr will be good for the torgy guys and bosses

If i decide to push 20s or something ill probably go necro unless i feel like sub keys

[slow marsh]

Venthyr is lower ceiling in keys though compared to necro

You just slam flag on prio target on cd and stand in black umbrella

[echo geyser]

dont u run nadjia ?

[oak sky]

Yeah ill make it work either way

[deep solstice]

Think of all that Main Gauching.

[limber lion]

Theotar.

@echo geyser

[slow marsh]

Vs having to spread boners and keep track of charges

[echo geyser]

nadjia is just st?

[oak sky]

As long as i feel like being venthyr ill be venthyr in keys

Maybe until renown cap

[limber lion]

It's fine in m+ as well if you run double potency

[slow marsh]

I think when the thrill seeker 2.0 is available nadjia gets good for dslice

[teal bluff]

Should I be pooling cp and energy before shiv?

[echo geyser]

she gets 3 potency next patch

but later ofc

[limber lion]

All soulbinds do.

[echo geyser]

actually nvm first week

[nimble tartan]

!plater

[shy dust]

Every spec gets 3 potency

[limber lion]

We pool on Envenom

[shy dust]

In the first week

[nimble tartan]

!platers

frick

[echo geyser]

oh cool they tried to balance covenants

[limber lion]

Want a plater profile omr?

[faint harness]

Thanks rae

[nimble tartan]

yeah i wanna try new ones

[limber lion]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[nimble tartan]

ty papa

[limber lion]

There's mine, Whispyr has one as well

[nimble tartan]

time to go to the dummies

[shy dust]

np

[shy dust]

Self promotion

[plain thistle]

[slow marsh]

I need to change the prio of my nameplate debuffs actuallyty for reminding me

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[kind quiver]

!wa

[dusk basalt]

Afenar is the man

all the WAs look super nice

[teal bloom]

double potency nadjia sims 8 dps higher than theotar wasteland in dungeonslice, Nadjia is the more reliable one too, right?

[echo geyser]

how does the umbrella even work in dslice?

100% uptime?

[pliant apex]

will i be great loss for raiding if i stick with NF in 9.1

[south oak]

Do you use Afenar @limber lion?

[limber lion]

Yes I do :)

[limber lion]

At this point, probably yes.

Time to switch.

Go Venthyr, have some fun.

[pliant apex]

heh ty will do

[viscid spear]

one of us, one of us

[frosty cedar]

i am an obedient venthyr rogue

[gusty mirage]

I'll check for you

[frosty cedar]

[sonic schooner]

[frosty cedar]

[viscid spear]

[brisk crane]

So how different does venthyr play from necrolord?

[sonic schooner]

basically u have a CD that you press on CD and try to get as many finisher as u can within

i think

[whole bluff]

One is red, the other is green

[brisk crane]

Cool so time to go red

[sonic schooner]

The best part about flag is to be able to mog those great backpieces venthyr own

[limber lion]

Not much, Flagellation is just fire and forget on cooldown, SBS is just dump during Gemstones.

[brisk crane]

How far is it possible to go in renown before wednesday

[limber lion]

40

[brisk crane]

Through dungeon spam? or is there another way

[little dagger]

You’ll get a lot of renown after patch for pre-40

[gusty mirage]

@echo geyser theo in dslice

[little dagger]

You’ll easily cap 42 or whatever after first patch even if you switch.

[gusty mirage]

9.1 theo* in dslice

sorry

[limber lion]

Fully clear raids in order, starting from lfr to normal to heroic
Do the world boss
Do your callings
M+ spam until you're like 29 renown
Do the covenant campaign
Do the weeklies

@brisk crane

[brisk crane]

Cool ty

[teal bloom]

you can also spam plaguefall heroic, there's plenty of skip groups currently

[nimble tartan]

this is a nice plater cev

[limber lion]

[nimble tartan]

i need to add dauntless so i know who got that debuff 😆

[echo geyser]

what does that mean? does the character stand in it at all times?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I removed it myself. You can just remove it from the blacklist

then it'll pop right back up again

[gusty mirage]

I'm assuming that the character stands in the soothing shade whenever possible but idk if the APL prioritizes that

[teal bloom]

I assume that double potency nadjia is the better choice if they sim similarly

[echo geyser]

yeah having to stand in a circle as a melee seems weird

if it even is worth

as range seems easy

[limber lion]

No because the sims don't take Wasteland giving vers to your team into account.

Who knows

Thrill Seeker is pretty bad as well

Not a very consistent way to get it to proc

It's not much use if it procs towards the end of the pack when the mobs start dying

[gusty mirage]

kinda scuffed they took away the ability to click off the buff

[west geode]

Is there a similar addon / WA thats like Slice adirmal?

[limber lion]

No clue what that is.

[oak sky]

Would you play triple potency nadjia or what

I mean i guess i doesnt matter if we go theotar triple

[limber lion]

For m+?

[teal bloom]

venthyr soulbinds sadge

[limber lion]

I would play Theotar in m+ with wasteland

And Dauntless Duelist Nadja in raids.

No triple potencies

[oak sky]

Ok

[limber lion]

But who knows, Nadja might be nutty for m+

We'll see in a few weeks.

[oak sky]

Guess we'll see

[limber lion]

We won't get Fatal Flaws in like

a few months

[oak sky]

How early is the 2nd potency

[limber lion]

2nd potency?

The new one or?

It unlocks first week.

[steel bane]

what are the requirements for Fatal Flaws?

[oak sky]

Yeah the new one

Ok

And we go wps for st and lethal poisons for aoe

After lashing

[limber lion]

Sure

[limber lion]

55* Renown

[dusk basalt]

doomblade crafts on a cloak correct?

in 9.1

[limber lion]

Yes

[manic merlin]

hey, is there any info on Shards of Domination Sets and which one should we focus on?

[heady drum]

does assa really need any other lege than doomblades atm?

[limber lion]

Unholy set, and one of each dps gem on top

[brisk crane]

What legendary should i craft as my first one?

Which*

[limber lion]

Zoldyck for M+ and AoE, Obedience if you're Venthyr.

[limber lion]

Zoldyck or MA

[manic merlin]

Thanks!

[limber lion]

Or honestly Obedience for 9.1

[heady drum]

Hm.

[sonic schooner]

even on m+ obedience is ahead? Damn that s a one legendary for everything :o Just for that i m tempted

[heady drum]

If my main interest will be raiding as assa and dungeoning as Outlaw, playing necro, should I still craft something other than doomblades+

[limber lion]

No, Zoldyck still wins.

[limber lion]

No.

[heady drum]

That's what I thought, thanks

[sonic schooner]

imma watch whisp's sheet a bit

[limber lion]

Doomblade on cloak is all you need for raiding as Sin, maybe Zoldyck for some fights.

[heady drum]

appreciate it,.

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[sonic schooner]

🙄

[gusty mirage]

don't be sad

[sonic schooner]

imma ask my RL "can i go venthyr and dodge everysingle mecanic being a boss dps bot?"

[brisk crane]

So is zoldyck just the best all around legendary?

[limber lion]

Well, I'd argue that MA is better

But Zoldyck is a good choice for sure.

It's the best legendary for M+, but it's not super duper useful anywhere else.

MA is not really the best legendary anywhere, but it's solid everywhere.

Well, it's the best legendary for open world content and Torghast

But that's about it.

[sonic schooner]

cant wait for tiny toxic blade to be BIS Specially on subrogue so i ll have to add a keybind for the spec. Well that s intresting, i think i dont fully understand obedience and how it could be that gap between that and doomblade
Ty whispyr for the completed sheet, very usefull <3

[brisk crane]

I should wait making it till wednesday right?

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter.

[brisk crane]

Dont they auto get a socket in 9.1?

[nimble tartan]

does ct pandemic 🤔

[indigo mulch]

Yes

[soft shale]

ye

[viscid spear]

Already such a short duration, it better

[limber lion]

That's true actually.

Most other legendaries that we use don't really benefit from that system

because cloak nor legs don't have sockets.

[rancid warren]

Can someone tell me how strong poison bomb was back in the days of legion? Legend has it that it was so much more stronger than now and BfA

[viscid spear]

anyway, back to the Renown grind.
Sucks I decided to do this at the start of my work week, but tomorrow I'll be up all night to squeeze my way to 40 Renown before patch

[limber lion]

Very.

You can just go look at the warcraftlogs from Antorus.

Here's a damage breakdown from Eonar.

:)

[rancid warren]

Wtf

[sweet timber]

so which cov do yall choose for raiding

[limber lion]

Venthyr

[sweet timber]

could you give me a reason why u goin for vent

[steel bane]

I do not know what to do and it's tilting

[limber lion]

So I can play Sub as well.

[echo geyser]

wtf poison bomb was main ability in legion?

[limber lion]

I'll have Necrolord ready so I can swap anytime I want.

[limber lion]

No, it was not the "main ability".

It was just overtuned so it did a bit too much damage.

[sonic schooner]

i ll stay necro to be able to push keys as outlaw 🤷‍♂️

i m used to

[limber lion]

Yeh, if you're an Outlaw gamer, Necro is a good choice.

[bleak sky]

wtf that's a lot of damage

[echo geyser]

if u are sub gamer venthyr works for both

[sweet timber]

the reason im askin is cus i dont dont know what conv i will go for, playin night fae atm... im so confused. reading "pin" doesnt make me any smarter lel xD

[echo geyser]

u go any of them except for NF

[limber lion]

Necro or Venthyr are good choices.

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

If you want to play Sub as well, go Venth.

[steel bane]

are you going venthyr for progress? @echo geyser

[limber lion]

If you want to play Outlaw as well, go Necro.

[steel geyser]

@limber lion weren't you going to play necro on progress ? what made you change your mind ?

[limber lion]

The new Obedience sims.

[steel geyser]

I feel like I missed some recent news

oh

[echo geyser]

yeah if obedience doesnt get nerfed

[bleak sky]

praise obedience

[viscid spear]

[steel bane]

Just to clarify, Necro should be stronger early on since we don't get access to Fatal Flaw or I'm missing something?

[rancid warren]

so… poison bomb nowadays got nerfed? Dunno why people choose crimson tempest/hidden blades in mythic Sire

[limber lion]

It is strong sure, but it's still losing to Venth.

[limber lion]

PB was an artifact trait in Legion and it was nerfed in PB and turned into a talent.

[gloomy knoll]

fuck old poison bomb

[echo geyser]

i think ppl going venthyr mostly due to the cov lego tbh

[limber lion]

It's really boring and not that great.

[oak sky]

Ct works when sire moves, also p2 p1 pad i think

[echo geyser]

nothing about traits or w/e

[gloomy knoll]

old poison bomb was the actual devil

pure rng damage spec

[steel bane]

good old days of vanishing for crit when poison procs during dungeons

[rancid warren]

Was it more RNG than now? Its like 20% per 5cp finisher

[placid stream]

What was old poison bomb?

[trim dirge]

kings bane

[gloomy knoll]

it was just insane damage

[viscid spear]

Memba when Tricks did a damage increase that wasn't locked to a PvP talent?
Pepperidge Farm meembas

[limber lion]

Just overtuned.

[gloomy knoll]

so like

if you got lucky

you did insane damage

if you didn't

tough luck

mythic+ as sin

was literally just fishing for pb

lol

was such awful gameplay

the sound effect is still pog af

feels so good when it procs

[viscid spear]

But when you got good procs

[plain thistle]

not so much, I had really good logs with normal PB procs

[gloomy knoll]

love that sound

[plain thistle]

I think I got a few 99%-100% with 6-9% pb damage back in the old days

but sometimes It was crazy

[placid stream]

Was it just lower proc chance but a lot more damage?

[viscid spear]

Imagine it played the Stone Cold glass shatter sound effect when it procced

[trim dirge]

yes

[plain thistle]

I think it was 2.5% per combo point? cant remember exactly

[oak sky]

How cool would it be if pb was kinda like void crash on spriest or something

[placid stream]

I would really like to see poison bomb redesigned or made baseline

[viscid spear]

What like a targetable AoE?

[oak sky]

Or baseline that would be alright too

[rustic whale]

hello i have a question. Is there any macro or some kind of addon changes mutilate button to ambush? thanks in advice

[pallid bough]

Nah, remove Hidden Blades and remake Echoing Blade as replacement

[oak sky]

Yeah like a targetable aoe, a little weird for a melee but could be cool

[pallid bough]

EB was a very good BFA trait

[rustic whale]

for blindside btw

[viscid spear]

I have enough problems using Shadow Crash on my SPriest :p

[trim dirge]

not possible

[oak sky]

You spam mind sear searing nightmare

[rancid warren]

Nah i suggest not binding them since you really want to mut in MA window for 4cp

[oak sky]

Nah you bind it for blindside and offspex

[rustic whale]

aight someone told me that was possible probably faked

ty

[oak sky]

Idk it might be possible but its prob better to just think about it

[placid stream]

Yeah I think hidden blades needs to be changed. Echoing blades would be huge

[spare flame]

are there 9.1 trinket sims somewhere

[oak sky]

Kinda rough to not have ct with that no?

[placid stream]

And yeah poison bomb as an active ability would be really cool I think

[oak sky]

Idk how they would implement bomb on rogue tho

As active

It could just be a finisher on cd i guess

[echo geyser]

yeah like SV hunter b omb

just throw it

[oak sky]

Kinda like secret technique mayb

[red bloom]

poison satchel charges, blows up all dots remaining ticks on 100 targets

[paper cairn]

sticky bomb but has an aura of poison around the target your threw it on

[red bloom]

this is the change we deserve

[echo geyser]

ct baseline and gives energy regen on the dots

[oak sky]

Sounds op

But

Maybe no energy regen still

[craggy oak]

Just want exang to be tuned better, alac boreing spell, exang bae

[oak sky]

Isnt alacrity like a 10% increase or something

[soft shale]

yea it used to be on a more competitive row