assassination

[spice spire]

Wasting a LOT of combo points

Blind side proc’d you always use it BS procs even during MA window

Over mut***

[deep solstice]

why though? mutiate is straigh better during MA. more CP

[spice spire]

But costs energy

Free 2-3 better than 60 2-4

Plus every mut gives a possible bs proc, so you’re potentially missing ANOTHER free ambush

[deep solstice]

fair I guess.

[limber lion]

Almost! During Vendetta you'd only garrote the second target but keep pummeling into the main one. But during Shiv (not with Vendetta) you would still keep both rupture/garrote up on both targets.

[spice spire]

Same with CT of talented, correct; cev?

[strange silo]

Ok yea i always go for the 5 cp finisher or should i just use envenom and rupture at 4 if i know i could overcap cp?

[spice spire]

I wanted to weigh in and was 80% sure but didn’t wanna be wrong and farm unethically

[raven vapor]

so unless it's Vendetta keep all bleeds on all targets?

[spice spire]

Finishers are always max -1.
If you’re at 4, use a finisher

And not running deeper*

[strange silo]

oh ok that changes much xd

[deep solstice]

You can use them at max as well, but he means you should use a finisher if you are at max-1 or max.

[safe barn]

how do i get to this screen

[plain thistle]

resources, select you, combo point

like this: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VGBzb9XyqWawFNrv#fight=7&type=resources&translate=true&source=19&spell=104

[safe barn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z3jRXdfQxnDgypkB#fight=20&translate=true&type=resources&source=20&spell=104

damn im wasting too much seal fate cp's

[plain thistle]

you cant control seal fate waste, because at 3 you still mutilate

which can potencially waste 2 combo point from seal

[safe barn]

that makes so much sense

[humble ginkgo]

What is seal fate

[royal lantern]

the....crit cp passive......

[humble ginkgo]

oh the combo point thing

ye

how do you even manage

that

to not waste cp?

[plain thistle]

you dont, seal fate will waste combo point

[fierce haven]

unless you're mut at 4 cp

[humble ginkgo]

yea

[fierce haven]

or something

[plain thistle]

if you mutilate at 3, which you should, you can waste 0, 1 or 2 combo points

[fierce haven]

worth it tho for those 0->4 cp muts

[plain thistle]

if you mut at 4 you WILL waste 1 combo point from mutilate and potentially 2 more from seal fate

[plain thistle]

do you want help with log analysis? with the quick look I took you should be doing more multi dotting in p2

and since you are progressing 2 vendettas in P3

if your guild is struggling with p3 damage and p1/p2 is no longer a problem, you can also consider going zoldick for a little extra p3 damage

[spice spire]

Jhonwei the homie

[plain thistle]

[spice spire]

I had to take a call at work and he did gods work

[gusty mirage]

always does

Jhonwei is good people

[plain thistle]

you can also sync flag with vendetta, and I think you lost 1 or 2 shivs there <<< p3 stuff

thats what I did for progression, since you dont need the extra damage for p2 (we were stopping dps anyway) you can save the last flag you would normally use on p2 to sync vendetta-flag for more p3 damage

[amber mountain]

oof, wowhead is saying Deathspike is a legnedary that "doesn't have a strong enough niche" since the nerf. It'll be interesting to see it in practice or sims

[plain thistle]

sims are already done, you can check pins

[iron orchid]

They are basically right tho

[amber mountain]

that makes me sad 😦

[quaint carbon]

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

I'm moving over to the sub channel Tuesday. Anyone want me to reserve a spot for them?

[sand sigil]

man im torn lol

for what its worth necro sin is more st than venth sin for the first 2 weeks

[scenic osprey]

does PI reduce energy cost for rogues?

[simple wadi]

james - you and i know your going to go necro sin

[nimble tartan]

first 2 weeks so 1 week of cn and heroic?

[vestal wren]

necrolord works well in m+ for subtlety

for what its worth

but its dog on pure st

[limber lion]

I'm just playing Necro sin throughout entire progression.

[nimble tartan]

midmax mythic baby

[limber lion]

I don't care for Sub ST too much myself.

[vestal wren]

just something that might fall under the radar

[sand sigil]

first 2 weeks of mythic

[limber lion]

No.

[scenic osprey]

but it reduce mana cost for arcane mage?

[limber lion]

Cool

Lust gives us haste

Haste increases our energy regen, attack speed and dot ticking speed

Gcd's and energy costs stay the same.

[split maple]

Even if Sub does more sim DPS ST than Sin, how practical is it during prog? Sin doesn't lose as much if you're forced off boss cause dot spec. I think staying Sin for prog is probably more than fine.

[limber lion]

See, that's the thing

It's hard to say

It depends a lot on the encounter itself as well

[spice spire]

[split maple]

It does, big true

[limber lion]

I'm just sticking to sin because it's good on all target counts

Like Sub is actually bad on 2t

[scenic osprey]

sub might be better when better mobility is needed?

[sand sigil]

idk somehow i managed to rationalize going from kyrian sub to necro sin and my pick fluctuates every hour lmfao

[scenic osprey]

better than sin

[limber lion]

And very consistent, even if we're hit by downtime.

[spice spire]

it ain’t much, but it’s honest work

[sand sigil]

idk ppl dont realize that necro sin has better st than venth sin for the first 2 weeks of mythic

[limber lion]

That's a very common thing honestly.

[sand sigil]

AND better multi target

[limber lion]

Yeah, I don't either James.

But then again, a lot of people are not raiding at a level where that matters.

[halcyon zealot]

Sin play style also let’s you take some focus off perfect play and more on boss/encounter mechanics , which has value for early tier prog

[nimble tartan]

if the raid takes longer than 2 weeks for a guild and the catchup isnt as robust u could be cappin urself on the bis setup for end boss if u r close to it

[vestal wren]

necro is a very convinient pick for assassination and outlaw

[limber lion]

I think Necro Sin is the perfect choice for someone high up.

[halcyon zealot]

kinda my thoughts on why i’ll play sin over sub early

[limber lion]

More ST the first few weeks

[placid stream]

So they hofixes the daggers? What’s the update?

[simple wadi]

necro sin just so flexible - all the soulbinds/covenant ability for venth just gets giga screwed by bad mechanic timing

[limber lion]

Necro still probably a very good, if not, the best pick for Sylvanas.

Not 100% sure how the fight plays out yet.

[simple wadi]

all a bit strong - but atleast part of the package for venth is out of your control

[nimble tartan]

flexibility is undervalued, venth gives option for sub/sin which i think will be used depending on boss

thats even if we see a rogue in wf

[warm parcel]

I mean sure bleeds will keep doing damage when youre off target

But its not like stepping out for 2 seconds makes sub deal -3000 dps

Autos affect both specs

[nimble tartan]

its negligible dam tbh the off boss is overvalued forsure yeah

[vestal wren]

downtime is overrated

[nimble tartan]

💯

[warm parcel]

Sin is nice, sub can be nice in some cases

Ven can play both

[vestal wren]

esp. given that you will usuelly try to keep melee dps on target

[warm parcel]

I see this as a win

[cunning oracle]

do fatescribe in sanctum and come back and say that xD

[vestal wren]

the problem is weak everyone wants to play necro

[simple wadi]

oh definitely - i jsut have some bad memories of nadjia soulbind procing at the worst moment

[vestal wren]

and this would lock them out of subtlety

[warm parcel]

whats wrong about fate

[vestal wren]

because its significantly behind in output

[warm parcel]

you have extra targets to fok and or bleed

[nimble tartan]

necro does seem most fun

[warm parcel]

its great for rogue

and depending on how the fight plays out

sub can either annihilate the tank add

or sin can rot it

again

win win

just depends on what you need and you can spec into it

[limber lion]

The best thing is

That you can honestly play whichever covenant you want

And do well

[warm parcel]

sub also has the added benefit of funneling the little shits into boss

[vestal wren]

sub has the additional benefit from possibly synergizing well with the sylvanas dagger

[warm parcel]

that too

and if we were to care about miniscule benefits, nadja still offers dauntless

[limber lion]

I mean

I'm just happy that we have so much choice nowadays

[warm parcel]

a slight DR for burn bosses like fate or big boi patchwerk

[limber lion]

And we don't have a clear-cut best choice

[safe barn]

Se não te atrapalha, quero sim

[nimble tartan]

truuue dauntless

[safe barn]

I mean, english etc

[plain thistle]

te mando privado então 🙂

[warm parcel]

[plain thistle]

[limber lion]

I haven't muted anyone yet.

[safe barn]

Nothing to see here weak

[warm parcel]

I mean we might aswell make assa a finn channel

run by finn overlords

[nimble tartan]

weak are u guys uppin hours or same same

[warm parcel]

same casual 6h

[nimble tartan]

top 5 world

shoo ok

[warm parcel]

our boi cev should be joining the 6h club too

[nimble tartan]

poggies

[safe barn]

6h looks really pog

makes you wonder why guilds do 12h+ if you can achieve the same with 6h

[warm parcel]

I wouldnt say we achieve what limit does

[safe barn]

nah, but im not talking about hof guilds or wf

[warm parcel]

raid hours generally vary wildly

at all ranks

[safe barn]

My guild is just for the CE and we do it 10h

We still dont have CE

[warm parcel]

oh and by 6h I meant 6h a day

not a week

[safe barn]

oh

[warm parcel]

ye we aint in the casual club

[safe barn]

Thats real shit then

[spice spire]

Weak about to live in sod

[odd heath]

Going for hof needs some time investment

[warm parcel]

yeye its living in the raid really

[grizzled trail]

Ooo I wanna join the 6hr club

[odd heath]

Lol

[nimble tartan]

imagine world 8 6hr a week baby

[safe barn]

Hes in the big leagues now

[limber lion]

I agree

[severe harness]

whats the spec to go in raid on 9.1?

[warm parcel]

[grizzled trail]

Resto

[nimble tartan]

boomkin

[limber lion]

I'm honestly still not sure what our raid times even are

We had like 10 people posting absences in our absence channel

[warm parcel]

Yee personally I dont care bout raid times

I just show up to raid

and blast

[safe barn]

You guys have absence Channel

[warm parcel]

patch happening fairly close to our midsummer or whatever you call it

[safe barn]

Usually i just text my rl "yo my girlfriend is gonna kick my ass if i show up today"

[nimble tartan]

are u gonna force cev to go venth against his will

[warm parcel]

He isnt in our guild yet

Just a sister finn guild on our realm

[nimble tartan]

ohhhh oo

[warm parcel]

That also play a lot so he may be playing a lot too

[limber lion]

yet

[warm parcel]

:D

[red plaza]

Dratnos said we’re B tier tho

[warm parcel]

Ill r8 rogue 8/8

[gusty breach]

7/12, inside job

[untold nest]

Well we are melee with no utility or raid buff. Why bring a rogue when u can bring a DK for a raid defensive

[digital zodiac]

Have i been a pepega by casting ambush? should i just ignore it and use mutilate?

[gusty breach]

😫

[gusty breach]

no joke, thats what my raidleader said

[untold nest]

As melee slots are limited always in a raid

[gusty breach]

he thinks rogues are gonna be shit, we made a bet, i win i get a raidslot, he wints, i am benched or re-rolling

[warm parcel]

Ranged slots are limited aswell, not like raid can go past 20

But its ultimately just a perception boss you fighting

Make your rl realise you dont need 7 dks

[untold nest]

Yes but ratio is never 50/50

[warm parcel]

Even if ration were 70% melee 30% ranged people would still complain

X spec isnt viable

[gusty breach]

if dks outdps rouges and have better utility again, i will .....be unhappy

[indigo mulch]

I don't even think Sanctum has the need for 5 melee spots, i think you can go 7 melee in sanctum 😮

[warm parcel]

You cant bring y spec

To me those just seem arbitrary numbers

[indigo mulch]

I don't see any fight where that would actually bum you out.

[limber lion]

I didn't get a 233 dagger this tier, so I will be getting the heroic Sylvanas dagger on my first kill.

For sure.

[alpine latch]

I'll probably pug my first AotC kill 😢

[warm parcel]

210 weapon sire kill btw

[untold nest]

End of the day its player >>>> class. Im in a 1.5k rank guild, and one of our top pumper is an enha shammie

[gusty breach]

mythic?

[warm parcel]

yeah

lmao

[gusty breach]

jewsus

[limber lion]

absolute madlad

[warm parcel]

what can I do

game gives no weapons

and our token is the worst

[gusty breach]

oof

[warm parcel]

cause no players on it

[gusty breach]

imagine getting benched cuz you get outdpsed by a 226 weapon vs 210

[indigo mulch]

here you go whispyr.

You can take mine.

[idle shard]

is sub gonna be better than assa in 9.1?

[limber lion]

[warm parcel]

Leme ask my oracle real quick

[alpine latch]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-get-out-slapped-gif-14601100

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

Whispyr.

[gusty breach]

nice bait

[idle shard]

kekw

[teal bloom]

Ceverion = Whispyr

[indigo mulch]

Everyone knows that.

[untold nest]

:oo exposed

[indigo mulch]

Cev just operates two discord accounts at the sametime.

[warm parcel]

Ye all you gotta do is roleplay google and youll become whispyr

and get a green name

[vestal wren]

[warm parcel]

It honestly takes a real saint to be answering questions in here at that rate

[vestal wren]

more covenant changes, time to sim everything again

[warm parcel]

Hes rocked so many messages in such a short time

[limber lion]

[teal bloom]

My survival hunter is level 60 but I don't have green name

[vestal wren]

250k messages in rh ^^ (for me)

[warm parcel]

Im a slacker

And 99% of my messages are from legion

[vestal wren]

but whispyr is on 160k, and i am in here seemingly forever

[vestal wren]

not much to talk when subtlety is bad 😛

[limber lion]

Yeah, sometimes I get envious of #outlaw

Because they're so active

But then there's times

where I'm happy it's not as active.

[alpine latch]

Shit, I need to farm the rep to built the 220 Domination shoulders. I still haven't gotten a pair of shoulders in 9.0.5 yet 😢

[vestal wren]

assassination was fairly active

and subtlety will explode in the next days/week

[odd hazel]

Domination shoulders ?

[solid venture]

Do you guys think blizz will change the sylv daggers so more than 1 rogue can benefit from the debuff on same target?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, you can buy 220-items with the dom sockets on them

[odd hazel]

On ptr ?

[alpine latch]

No, in 9.1

[odd hazel]

What rep do you need

[alpine latch]

One of the new ones from Korthia

You can actually buy Heroic raid-level ones but that requires Exalted

It's basically bad luck protection

[odd hazel]

Ah, I haven’t got any shoulders, which Is why I have my doom on shoulders and use 226 gloves

[alpine latch]

If the damn things just never drop, you can buy it

Yeah, I'm the same way

[vestal wren]

yes

[alpine latch]

My shoulders are 197

[nimble tartan]

ty google

[cyan dew]

I'm seeing the charts. It's my impression or all rogue specs are pretty close to each other?

[winged basin]

NOPE ONLY ONE ROGUE ALLOWED

[vestal wren]

depends on what you mean with close

sub to outlaw is quite a gap on st

[cyan dew]

Hmm

[vestal wren]

~3%

[cyan dew]

On slice and mult

[vestal wren]

(okay that sounds less brutal than 300 dps)

[cyan dew]

hahah yeah

Which spec will be the best for raid? Still sins?

[soft shale]

chances are in raid you will play both sin and sub depending on boss

[solid venture]

My guild won't bring more than 1 rogue to a boss anyway on prog so if I don't get the dagger first I'm fucked

[soft shale]

link and me will have to use the power of money to get daggers

kek

[winged basin]

I think mine is having us two rogues fight the parse war

im 220 rn and hes 225 with maw sockets

[austere steppe]

git gud

[frosty cedar]

wait so SBS wasnt critting before? 😮

[ancient kraken]

sudden f wasnt

[frosty cedar]

they should say that in patch notes right? it just says SBS now properly benefits from crit chance

[warm parcel]

the conduit was

the regular bleed wasnt

[vestal wren]

maybe just re-iterating on a old change?

[soft shale]

@gritty hazel assa will most likely go necro on m+ also you have messages from non friends disabled

[limber lion]

The regular bleed didn't crit before they introduced the change

[warm parcel]

anyway, the whole spike spell should now crit

all aspects

[limber lion]

Yeh

[frosty cedar]

noice

[solid venture]

Fight me bitch

[vestal wren]

ye, i ws refering to zhanshou

[frosty cedar]

was there anything on the notes that wasnt known already/

[austere steppe]

i did, several times! :>

[solid venture]

Toxic

[cyan dew]

Aight, sub or sin for raids?

[frosty cedar]

what about the WFT change? I thought that was a nerf or something a month or two back?

[austere steppe]

sub or bench

[cyan dew]

fuuu

[safe barn]

Dont say that

[vestal wren]

yes?

[frosty cedar]

I have no idea how sub plays so I dunno lol

[vestal wren]

play whatever you like

assassination seems like a good progression choice

[safe barn]

master youself and youll be good

ashine played all prog this tier with sub

[trail anvil]

Does it seem like theres any fights well be using a different legendary?

[solid venture]

Not as if it matters what spec we play in a world rank 750 guild amirite

[safe barn]

Forever played all bosses with outlaw

[frosty cedar]

thats true but I also feel bad if the spec i am playing is lower in potential than another

[safe barn]

Whispyr doesnt play anything else than assa since 2004

[safe barn]

me too thats why im bad at the game

[untold nest]

Whichever you play better mate

[vestal wren]

because it was during his progress times the best rogue spec

[frosty cedar]

why does that make u bad

[safe barn]

im the kind of guy that isnt bad at anything but im not excellent in anything as well

[soft shale]

yea i also played sub for all prog

[frosty cedar]

sadge

[soft shale]

but that was on 9.0

XD

on 9.0.5 assa did a run and gun

[neon cloak]

We are still good boys? Necro for sin and outlaw?

[frosty cedar]

necro for the boys

[austere steppe]

trueee

[safe barn]

it was a bad example i see that now

[slow marsh]

Wait @limber lion is green boi now

pog

[spice spire]

Oh he changed the name

[vestal wren]

yes, and its confusing that he is named whispyr

[spice spire]

He’s whispyr 2.0 🙂

[slow marsh]

He is mythic whispyr

[spice spire]

He’s saved whispyr from the hell that’s answering pinned questions 🙂

[sonic schooner]

where is ceve

now it s only whispyr

😔

[gritty hazel]

oh my god now itis work 🙂

[teal bloom]

Wait it's all Whispyr - Always been

[gritty hazel]

hello guys

i want ask abut bist coevenant for assassin rogue for M+?

[pale imp]

does anyone have a macro for blindside talent to map both mutilate and ambush to same key?

[winged basin]

[pale imp]

looked at some guides but non of them have it.. wierdly cus it would be usefull

[pallid hollow]

What so when it procs the button swaps?

[hollow river]

Necrolord

[pale imp]

basicly.

[hollow river]

No macro

[pale imp]

i just remeber trying to do something like that myself one time and it not working propperly.. or it trying to use ambush all the time

[hollow river]

You need an add on

[ruby scroll]

is there already a bis list for assa?

[limber lion]

There won't be.

[pallid hollow]

Damn that’d be useful! If you find one message me it I’m going to bed now xD

I’ve just got ambush on E for procs xD

[hollow river]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[hollow river]

^^^^

[pallid hollow]

STILL CANT DECJDE RET PALA OR SIN ROGUE

Anyway night!

[vestal wren]

sin rogue

its a easy decision

[limber lion]

^

Based.

[slow marsh]

Sin rogue for sure

[pallid hollow]

Yeah yeah fuu all you lot say sin and all they say is ret xD

[vestal wren]

rogue has more detailed rotation and 3 specs that play diiffrent

[gritty hazel]

so Necrolor best for assassin For Mythic+?

[pallid hollow]

Ret pala is 226 and rogue is 204 haha

Yeah that’s a good point fuu

[hollow river]

Yes

[pallid hollow]

Pala is my main for m+ as I tank mainly

[gritty hazel]

thatnk you m8

[pallid hollow]

But dps in raid

Night!

[hollow river]

You’re welcome

[neon cloak]

awwwwww pala tank

[limber lion]

Best for sin.

But sin is not the best for m+.

[gritty hazel]

im not rading like before

[neon cloak]

u should go outlaw then

😄

[hollow river]

Ew

[neon cloak]

yeah i know 😄

[cyan dew]

How the new bosses will be on raid? More ST, Cleave or aoe?

[gritty hazel]

i love Poison

[hollow river]

Decent amount of cleave

[cyan dew]

hmm

[hollow river]

Looks like

[limber lion]

Quite a bit of ST, some cleave, not much aoe.

[cyan dew]

ty

[neon cloak]

so its screaming SIIIIIINNNNNN

[cyan dew]

Yeah, was thinking about that

i don't think sub shines on cleave, or i'm wrong?

[hollow river]

Sub kinda bad for cleave

[cyan dew]

hm

[hollow river]

It wins in pure ST with 100% uptime. And wins in aoe

[echo crystal]

new sub numbers are making me doubt my choice of sin for 9.1 😐

[azure kraken]

Hello, I have a question, which pack would you take for the assa regarding raid and m +

[cyan dew]

necro

[azure kraken]

9.1?

[cyan dew]

yep

[azure kraken]

oh noo

[cyan dew]

check pins for more info

[azure kraken]

who

[cyan dew]

the button on top right, looking like a pin.

[indigo mulch]

Plaguey's Preemptive Strike damage done increased to 12% (was 10%) and duration increased to 15 seconds (was 10 seconds). 😐

[hollow river]

Wut

[azure kraken]

but does the assa no longer benefit from vent because of speed?

[spice spire]

They do still

[ebon merlin]

does the doomblade bugfix impact the legendary a lot?

[hollow river]

No

Barely at all

[ebon merlin]

k cool beans

[versed mica]

What part of it has been hotfixed?

[hollow river]

I would argue not at all tbh. It only effects what were known bugged interactions.

[limber lion]

Literally not at all whatsoever

It was widely used on stuff like Huntsman

[hollow river]

The damage was too OP so I’d assume the damage

[warm parcel]

The dagger is still bugged to hell

[hollow river]

The interaction with other rogues has yet to be fixed

[limber lion]

But like it didn't do anything anywhere else.

[warm parcel]

They are constantly changing it

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's a buggy mess

[azure kraken]

Shouldn't you buy a legy now as a new assa and save on the Nekro Legy?

[hollow river]

Not exactly no.

[limber lion]

Where did you get this idea?

You might want to check out the pins.

[hollow river]

You want doomblade on cloak (after 9.1 drops)

[odd hazel]

You need to remake for the socket any way

[hollow river]

Or do as master Cev says yes (:

[limber lion]

What... socket?

These is no socket for cloak.

[limber lion]

Yes

but there are no sockets

for cloaks

my guy

[odd hazel]

Wait

Rip then

[winged basin]

when the guy in your guild trys to tell you fury warrior is gonna be 2nd best dps in the raid next tier and you see their 7k sims with their new leggos

[hollow river]

[warm parcel]

thats just cause profiles have nothing to do with our profiles

its pointless to compare them to ours

[hollow river]

They might not have implemented 258 ilvl like rogue profile atm.

So 7k makes perfect sense.

We’re at 7k roughly with only 9.1 legendaries added to the 9.0.5 profiles. If I’m not mistaken.

[warm parcel]

which ever arbittrary profile and class uses, is useful for comparing talents/legos/conduits

[waxen cloak]

Sup guys, does anybody know what will happen with assa leg? Are we gonna still using doomblade?

[warm parcel]

not for seeing raw output of a class vs another

[odd hazel]

Yes on Cloak

[waxen cloak]

tyty

[balmy condor]

as has been mentioned, the profiles we have are like 256 ilvl and optimized. They probably don't have that

[slow marsh]

So dashing is .5% behind doomblade ST, do we know what it is roughly on 2 target?

[odd hazel]

Why consider dashing ? We use zold and ( from pins ) seems obedience is looking super good on dslice

[tulip nacelle]

single target

[odd hazel]

On 2 target ? I assume doom still pulls ahead

[winged basin]

ooh that is big brain, didnt think of that

forgot

we just have the technologies

[balmy condor]

if by technology you mean me getting home from work and simming until 6am, yeah

[winged basin]

we love and appreciate you <#

<3*

[soft shale]

i can get you some arepas

[drifting cloud]

whispyr whats different between 2nd set of sims compared to 1st or why are they like 500 higher

[spice spire]

It was a real king act

Waking up to the pins being implemented an hour later was huge

[soft shale]

slice tries to imitate a 5 minute dungeon part

so it has some aoe/cleave and a boss

[balmy condor]

what? it's single target, dungeonslice, 5 target

[warm parcel]

I think hes asking these vs the ones you did earlier

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[balmy condor]

oh

[drowsy parcel]

domination gems i think?

[balmy condor]

well the ones I did earlier were fucked with nathria gear that I just boosted in ilvl

this is actual obtainable gear

trinkets and all

domination gems as well

[drifting cloud]

damn then im surprised its only 500 diff

[hollow river]

Oh shit really

@balmy condor when you say they don’t include the buffs yet

[balmy condor]

yeh, well it was 258 ilvl, now these profiles are 256 so theres some difference

[balmy condor]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-soulbind-tuning-in-patch-9-1-new-buffs-and-nerfs-to-soulbind-traits-323042

these buffs

[hollow river]

Ooh did we get any action

[gloomy knoll]

wonder how bron works now

[balmy condor]

mikanikos buffed

[drifting cloud]

[gloomy knoll]

wish they were more transparent with this shit

[limber lion]

Yeah it's insane.

[balmy condor]

basically just a fat kyrian buff and some fae love

[drifting cloud]

wait so those are all on top of the stuff that was already in a different mikanikos wowhead article

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

but I don't think anything is crazy

[gloomy knoll]

i mean mikanikos is just by far and away the best soulbind in the game now

if that's true ryler

[balmy condor]

I read it to be the changes from the other article, in a blue post

[gloomy knoll]

like nothing even comes close

[balmy condor]

I don't think they double buffed

[gloomy knoll]

ohhh gotcha

[drifting cloud]

was it 75 stacks there?

[hollow river]

Ooh it’s only covenant specific binds

[balmy condor]

the change from the other post reads very similarly to this one

it's uptime buffs on bron

[drifting cloud]

or maybe they just reduced the stacks and made it stack slower again

[balmy condor]

which seems to be roughly what that blue post is saying

[drifting cloud]

when you had things that gave like 15 stacks in 2globals

like fel dev

[gloomy knoll]

i'll see what bronn does when servers come back up

i'm curious

[drifting cloud]

ptr isnt down tho?

[gloomy knoll]

servers just reset

is back up now

[drifting cloud]

oh ok

[gloomy knoll]

prob pushing the changes

[winged basin]

they wiping valor in 9.1?

[drifting cloud]

yes valor is a seasonabl currency

[pale fossil]

I figure I'll spend my valor on crafting mats and then sell them after 9.1 when there's a flurry of leggo crafting. Does that make sense or not really?

[hollow river]

I’m spending all mine on gear just in case I want to switch something up

But I’m not 226+ ilvl as well so

[plain spruce]

is the bit about 2 rogues having sylv daggers fixed?

[obtuse robin]

so when the sticky notes says these sims dont include the buffs, what buffs to what are we talkign about

[warm parcel]

daggers are busted

who knows when theyll work

https://i.imgur.com/kx9DYta.gif

least we got the animation now

one thing at a time

[drifting cloud]

they got 2 more weeks!

[spice spire]

Like the animation ngl

[warm parcel]

its alright

also makes a sound

[gusty mirage]

oh they changed the proc?

[hollow river]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-soulbind-tuning-in-patch-9-1-new-buffs-and-nerfs-to-soulbind-traits-323042

[gusty mirage]

no more brighter version of sinful?

[limber lion]

Looks decent

[obtuse robin]

oh thx

[exotic fractal]

what buffs is the top pin referring to? Did assassin get buffed recently?

[limber lion]

Literally

read 5 messages above you

my guy

[hollow river]

[exotic fractal]

the soulbind tuning?

[limber lion]

Yes

[hollow river]

Pin might need to mention “soulbind” buffs

xD

[exotic fractal]

Ok well I thought it was referring to buffs to the class not my fault its written so unspecifically

[limber lion]

Yeah, Whispyr woke up like under an hour ago and had like 40 pings to go through

Cut the man some slack

[exotic fractal]

not blaming whyspyr, more so blaming you for being so pissy about a basic question

[hollow river]

Oi

[limber lion]

?

Literally

[red plaza]

[hollow river]

I’ve got nothing but appreciation ❤️

[limber lion]

Someone else asked the exact same question

as you did

And backstab answered it

[gusty mirage]

so

[odd hazel]

@limber lion how do you feel about obedience in dslice?

[gusty mirage]

do I stay necro and suck it up playing outlaw in m+ @limber lion ?

[gloomy knoll]

the covenant changer is gone?

[gusty mirage]

ptr is fried brotha

[gloomy knoll]

i hate

blizzard

[gusty mirage]

its always been like that lmao

[gloomy knoll]

so much

[limber lion]

I'm not the biggest fan of Venthyr m+ myself, with or without Obedience.

[gloomy knoll]

literally can't even test shit

[gusty mirage]

It took like 3 months of ptr to get a renown item on ptr

[winged basin]

yo how often yall be fleshcrafting in the middle of a fight

[limber lion]

Oh you're still playing the game?

[gloomy knoll]

depends on how the fight go's

if i need it i press it

it's a good defensive

[gusty mirage]

usually during big incoming damage and I need the DR

during prides I'd always fleshcraft

to help healer

[gloomy knoll]

^

[gusty mirage]

I decided I can't abandon the game when my boy just became CF. I'd be doing you a disservice

[limber lion]

good

[odd hazel]

I won’t abandon cev either

[limber lion]

[odd hazel]

Might lose me to sub though

It’s looking lit

But sad times kyrian is looking to be top ST

[limber lion]

That's fine

Outlaw is the only spec channel that I've got muted

[odd hazel]

LOL

[untold nest]

#feelsbadman

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

Glad I’m not the only one.

[spice spire]

Gotta save that mental fort

[odd hazel]

My wrist can’t take playing outlaw

[spice spire]

Outlaw has some absolute gems in it tho

[gusty mirage]

I do not have outlaw muted

I'm a fraud

[spice spire]

The vault is filled with outlaw.

[gusty mirage]

I've done 233 keys as outlaw, and only 40 as assassination

[spice spire]

Twinsies

[limber lion]

Based.

[spice spire]

Wait

[nimble tartan]

dam i thought u were community figures but u shunning 1 whole part

[hollow river]

That’s a lot of keys oxi

[odd hazel]

I started as sub, played outlaw for a bit and tried sin when it got buffed and loved it because sub was feelsbad

[balmy condor]

they have enough community figures over ther

[hollow river]

Outlaw is the garbage blizzard was too lazy to take out.

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

That’s right I said it

[tulip nacelle]

[hollow river]

Feel much better now

[spice spire]

Outlaw’s fine tbh. Can’t be any worse than combat

[warm parcel]

Not having every spec channel muted

[hollow river]

Fishing for argument

[winged basin]

not having gemstone while playing necro with lvl 14 honor

makes me want to cry

like al ot

when I was 40 renown venthyr ST pumping..

[spice spire]

I won’t participate in it, cba to care enough

[hollow river]

It’s not THAT BIG a difference. Check your sim to see

[gusty mirage]

toxic smh

mentally ill rogues as per usual

[winged basin]

it is when you are 13 renown

and your sudden fractures is 184

[hollow river]

Meh

It was like 300-400 dps for me

[warm parcel]

[gusty mirage]

I don't blame you the least bit

[spice spire]

Use the photo coward

[obtuse robin]

looks like we might be going back to ventyr in 9.1

[gusty mirage]

I can't take your schtick

[obtuse robin]

fpr st

[winged basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qMtr1vDSnuvdabqjArVJzi

[odd hazel]

We still do now for ST ?

[spice spire]

True

[winged basin]

I was simming 6.4k with venthyr @hollow river

[gusty mirage]

yeah nothing's changed in terms of which covenant was better for ST

[obtuse robin]

yea we still do now

[odd hazel]

Back? We play venth for ST now

[gusty mirage]

except now magically kyrian came out of grave

like yo sup

[hollow river]

Venthyr is also ahead in ST

[winged basin]

dont think you are catchin what im complaining about here

[obtuse robin]

alot of ppl swapped to necro anticipating

[winged basin]

I know venthyr is better

[hollow river]

Oh

[winged basin]

I was venth

[hollow river]

So you’re complaining about not being Venthyr

[odd hazel]

I mean that was for other reasons

[winged basin]

I am 13 renown with 0 anything

[odd hazel]

Not ST

[winged basin]

ecks dee yall make me laugh

[gusty mirage]

[odd hazel]

No one swapped to necro for ST

[hollow river]

Check your necro sim with 40 renown pepega

[winged basin]

bet

[obtuse robin]

they swapped for ass plus outlaw

but seems kyrian might the play for outlaw

[odd hazel]

People play sin with necro for M+

[winged basin]

^

[obtuse robin]

thank god covs stay at 40 when u come back

[winged basin]

and because its 50 dps behind venth

[odd hazel]

^

[winged basin]

in ST, and ahead on 2+ target fights

[hollow river]

Different for everyone

[winged basin]

imagine swapping to necro to play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Imagine having to swap in the first place

[obtuse robin]

i swapped to necro 2 days ago only a couple hours to get to 35 renown seems fast

[gusty mirage]

yeah renown catch up is super quick rn

[winged basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bfq2cRisa1Tj8Kg4Lw33q much better

THIS is what I was bitching about

cov levels

[obtuse robin]

part of me wants to now swap to kyr level it and call it a day

[hollow river]

100 dps difference from Venthyr

[winged basin]

yup

to be expected

I knew that going in

I was bitching about being 13 renown with no abilities

[scenic osprey]

the pelagos new soulbind proc rate is too low

[hollow river]

I can’t believe you’re over 400 dps behind because of low renown lmao

[winged basin]

lol

[hollow river]

Still not THAT bad

[scenic osprey]

its like 1,5 min cd

[winged basin]

still ass lol

doing a heroic run for renown and noticed my damage

and I was like fuck me this is ass

[hollow river]

[scenic osprey]

if you re apply bleed at 5sec left will only lose 1 sec of dmg right ?

[limber lion]

Just get 31+ renown

ez

one day

ez

you got it

[winged basin]

working on it

[limber lion]

Gambatte!

[winged basin]

working hard clearing heroic

[warped temple]

@limber lion woot congrats on CF!

well deserved, hero of RH

[limber lion]

Thank you, Ryfie!

[limber lion]

Well, that's a bit much

[warped temple]

na

[hollow river]

There are so many factors to answer this question idk where to begin

[limber lion]

[warped temple]

😄

[sonic schooner]

gimme 10k dps sim

😠

[limber lion]

Subby boys have 'em

we're still searching.

[scenic osprey]

like if rapture has 5 sec rapture left on the target , i re apply it with 5 combo rapture

[gusty mirage]

@warped temple sighting

[warped temple]

rapture 😦

[gusty mirage]

everyone we have a legend here

[warped temple]

hahhah

[hollow river]

Depends on the combo points spent on the first rupture

[limber lion]

No it doesn't.

[scenic osprey]

5 for first one

[hollow river]

You need to re apply inside of pandemic window

[sonic schooner]

i know they do ceve

and without sylva daggers

😠

[hollow river]

Yes it does?

[limber lion]

Pandemic depends on your applied rupture

No

[hollow river]

That’s what I said

[limber lion]

No

You said first rupture

[hollow river]

This is what I just said bro

[limber lion]

Not the one you apply after

[spring root]

it doesnt

[balmy condor]

if only

[limber lion]

First rupture

[balmy condor]

we had like

[limber lion]

=/=

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

a bot command

[warm parcel]

1cp into 5 is different to 5c into 1

[limber lion]

rekt

[sonic schooner]

tbh just perma apply a 1cp rupture again and again

[hollow river]

Dood

[sonic schooner]

[limber lion]

You apply 2 Ruptures

[hollow river]

First rupture means the applied rupture?

[scenic osprey]

rapture allows u to use power word shield on weaken soul target and has 100% increased effectiveness

[limber lion]

Wat

[hollow river]

Like what Even

[limber lion]

You already have rupture on the target

You apply another rupture

That's a second rupture

[hollow river]

That’s what first rupture means. Applied rupture

[sonic schooner]

and then a third?

unbelivable

[scenic osprey]

nobody has answered my question yet lol

[limber lion]

The pandemic

Takes the time

[sonic schooner]

The precedent rupture

[limber lion]

From the ability

[sonic schooner]

🙏

[limber lion]

That you use after

[balmy condor]

which bleed

how many cp you have

[hollow river]

Your pandemic changes based on CP spent on t he applied rupture

[limber lion]

If you use 1cp rupture

[balmy condor]

false

[limber lion]

No it doesn't.

Your "first rupture" doesn't matter

[hollow river]

Wut

[limber lion]

The one that's already on the target

does not matter

[balmy condor]

the applied rupture is irrelevant

[limber lion]

It's the one that you apply on top

That matters

The one that you use after

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[obtuse robin]

i think the sticky notes need to include does not include the new soulbinds/traits

maybe im wrong

[limber lion]

Like they do?

[balmy condor]

you mean

[limber lion]

In all caps?

and bold?

[scenic osprey]

does pandemic apply to rupture too?

[obtuse robin]

thats says buffs

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

It applies to all bleeds

[winged basin]

this discord makes me howl with laughter

[obtuse robin]

there r new ones added

[limber lion]

wat

[balmy condor]

those are simmed though

[limber lion]

We have already simmed

all the new stuff

[obtuse robin]

ah cool

[limber lion]

my guy

[hollow river]

Do pandemic windows not change based on cp spent on first rupture

[limber lion]

No

[balmy condor]

no

it's the cp you are currently holding for the re-apply

[scenic osprey]

so if i always apply rupture with 4 or 5 combo , i can re apply it with 6 sec left and would not lose anything

[limber lion]

A 6s rupture on the target

is a 6s rupture

[hollow river]

How tf

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

Even if it was a 1cp rupture

or a 6cp rupture

[scenic osprey]

wait is it 6 sec?

[high phoenix]

can't find info on the sylv dagger hotfix. how big is the nerf?

[sonic schooner]

at least 80% nerf

jk idk

[limber lion]

If you have 6s rupture left, and you apply a 4cp (20s) rupture on top, you're now at 26s

[balmy condor]

if you're online, hit a dummy with a 6 cp rupture, then hit it with a 1cp re-apply, and then repeat it with a 6cp re-apply

and tell me what happens

[scenic osprey]

i always thought was 4 sec but lol

[limber lion]

If you have 2s of rupture left and you apply a 5cp rupture (24s), you're now at 26s

[balmy condor]

30%

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

does no one

[cyan prawn]

[balmy condor]

read this

we just link the bot command for fun?

[sonic schooner]

no i dont read any of the guide / pins

[limber lion]

[winged basin]

mecha moreos is tired of your insessant pinging

[sonic schooner]

👼

[cyan prawn]

joined in at the perfect time to enjoy this

[winged basin]

learn or perish

[scenic osprey]

5 combo is 24 sec is 7.2 sec

[balmy condor]

correct

[scenic osprey]

30%

[balmy condor]

yes

[scenic osprey]

ok so for instance if im going to be moving or target is goni gto be out of melee for a while i should re apply the bleeds if they are less than 6 sec

[balmy condor]

yes

[west cove]

even if its not going out of melee u can reapply xd

[scenic osprey]

i want an addon that estimate how long would trash mobs live in M+

so i know how many combo should i use on bleed

[west cove]

hhahahahhaa wat

[cyan prawn]

dont we all

[limber lion]

Well

Let me just say

that practice makes perfect.

[cyan prawn]

for real tho, that's just a thing you gotta learn and practice

[balmy condor]

that already kinda exists though

[scenic osprey]

what is it called

[balmy condor]

like the EXRT raid timer estimates the ttd on your target

[scenic osprey]

exrt ?

[balmy condor]

it doesn't exist for aoe though

[scenic osprey]

ah

[obtuse robin]

just use hekili and call it a day

[west cove]

it’d work like windows time estimates from back in the day

[untold nest]

Smarter ppl than us have graced us with AMAZING UI enhancers called Weak Auras. I would highly recommend you get one that tracks pandemic windows on dots with a colour difference. Afenars WA does that if i remember well @scenic osprey

[scenic osprey]

or i just play Outlaw and forget about it

[obtuse robin]

you dont like hekili whispyr?

explain

[solar bramble]

meh addon couldn't estimate that reliably. . too many people use cd's so unreliably and they dramatically affect AoE

[limber lion]

peace

[winged basin]

play?... outlaw?...

[sturdy merlin]

With more practice in dungeons you will see which mobs die fast and i'd advise you to hit a 3cp rupture on these adds if there is nothing more important to hit in the pack

[cyan prawn]

[scenic osprey]

its like calculating for period right? its not always accurate so i dont need to do that

its bad analogy

[balmy condor]

it's a rotation helper, and rotation helpers are pretty questionable

[limber lion]

Like if a mob lives for 12s

You don't need to have a bleed on it

that lasts for exactly 12s

[scenic osprey]

make them bleed

[limber lion]

As long as you keep your bleeds up on multiple targets

then you're gucci

[scenic osprey]

for like 8 sec?

[limber lion]

even if you lose some seconds here and there

trying to snipe targets with exact cp ruptures

is just kinda

yikes

"oki this mob dies in 14 seconds, so I'll wait for 2 seconds and then apply a 2cp rupture. oh fuck this next one dies in 17 seconds, gotta apply a 3cp ruptuer"

no bro

just slap 4-5cp ruptures on em

and call it a day

[sonic schooner]

rupture sniper

[limber lion]

If you know a mob is dying in like 5s

Then just don't rupture it

Unless it's your main target

[pale fossil]

Is it ever worth it to do that for energy? I don't remember how that works.

[obtuse robin]

what if u want a full energy regen

[limber lion]

See

The way we play in aoe is simple

[west cove]

kek

[limber lion]

We keep up SnD with Envenom

We use CT to keep the bleed up

[scenic osprey]

i think if you have 2-3 garrote out shold be fine with energy

[limber lion]

And we garrote/rupture everything

We'll have infinite energy after some ruptures/garrotes

but just keep slapping em on

There isn't a time where you go

"ok, this is enough energy regen, time to start slapping only Envenoms/CT"

You just keep applying bleeds

over and over

Never stop

[scenic osprey]

whats the priority for keeping envenom buff but in aoe?

[limber lion]

#1

I mean

No

Keeping SnD up with Envenom

is #1

[gusty mirage]

^

[limber lion]

Using Envenom for the buff is very very low

[gusty mirage]

if you have free GCDs after putting up bleeds (including maintaining CT) feel free to envenom your heart out

[west cove]

wish packs were always 3 mobs and subterfuge has shrouded suffication baseline. that’d solve everything

[sturdy merlin]

If you have no bleeds to refresh you can envenom your main target for sure

[limber lion]

Yeah, well the game doesn't work like that

unlucky

[scenic osprey]

its too complicated ill just play outlaw lol

[gusty mirage]

fair enough

[limber lion]

[drifting cloud]

garret1 garret2 garret3

[indigo mulch]

I'm one of those people who find outlaw harder to play than assassination :/

I dunno why.

[rustic thunder]

It’s really not

[sturdy merlin]

Because you have more buttons to press

But less target swaps 😛

[rustic thunder]

It is a button mashing spec compared to sub or assa

[limber lion]

It's a different kind of difficulty.

[nimble tartan]

thats the normal take, i think outlaw is a little harder but not for apm reasons

[cyan prawn]

do you really tho?

[limber lion]

Everyone perceive difficulty in different ways

[sturdy merlin]

In outlaw ? yes for sure

it's high apm spec

[rustic thunder]

There are some caveats but yeah it is different

[limber lion]

Some think keeping multiple bleeds up is hard

Some think that the high apm nature makes outlaw hard

[sonic schooner]

outlaw gameplay : u have a keybind available, use it. When u have nothing left just sinister > dispatch

[limber lion]

Everyone has their own thing

[brisk drum]

Its a high apm spec with far more complex priorities

[west cove]

outlaw might cause carpal tunnel syndrome not worth

[nimble tartan]

i think sub easier than both tho

[brisk drum]

I cant see how its not harder than sin

[sonic schooner]

storm > powder > repeat

[limber lion]

This man is baiting

ignore him

[brisk drum]

Im not

[rustic thunder]

Outlaw is fucking frantic fuck this spec. Yes there are tactical elements to it but still

[brisk drum]

I play both

[scenic osprey]

stupid question which parse should i look at ?

[dawn ivy]

left one

[limber lion]

Neither

You should look at rankings

[sonic schooner]

Ceve's parse

[scenic osprey]

where ranking?

[nimble tartan]

at 220 ilvl i think looking at ur ilvl parse is fine

[drifting cloud]

enchane

[nimble tartan]

but its basically the same as ur overall u popped off bro

[limber lion]

Don't look at my logs

I've been in a new guild for a few months now

those are all old logs

bad logs