assassination

[sonic schooner]

Front of the corridor in SD

[civic trellis]

wdym

[thorny pond]

But yea ultimate troll move is to set the add on up so it whispers them but when they whisper you it auto ignores them

[sonic schooner]

He told me to go fk myself so I went to goldshire

[balmy condor]

oh I wiped on shriek as well

[sonic schooner]

Nicely

[balmy condor]

:)

[gusty mirage]

true

I witnessed it

[plush garnet]

Is it true you can get like 800 AoE dps for sacrificing like 100-150 single target?

on necro

[balmy condor]

depends on what "aoe" is

[thorny pond]

Not even that much

[balmy condor]

but yeah

sure

[gusty mirage]

oh shit a serious question

[sick cairn]

hello friends anyone know for 9.1 what parts of the armor leggos should be crafted?

[thorny pond]

Either way

[pale fossil]

Sorry we don’t do that here

[sonic schooner]

I never wiped on shriek :) ok the truth is we always forget to start logs

[balmy condor]

cloaks and legs all the way through

[thorny pond]

Check the pins

[pale fossil]

Cloak

[balmy condor]

oh fuck

y'all clean

why am I even here

[gusty mirage]

cuz we act up when you're not here

[pale fossil]

^

[sick cairn]

sry for the off topic question, continue guys thanks

[thorny pond]

If a green isn’t here it gets violent

[sonic schooner]

Just so you see we re nice :)

[balmy condor]

cev should wake up in like 2-3 hours

[thorny pond]

And we start a civil war with #subtlety again

[limber swallow]

@balmy condor yea, dad. Thanks for keeping us in line.

[gusty mirage]

it was legit the only question that was on topic you're fine

[balmy condor]

he's green

[pale fossil]

He got the green?

[sonic schooner]

When you re not here meh we re not that nice obviously

[pale fossil]

[balmy condor]

he got the green

[gusty mirage]

yeah our boy's flexin

[sonic schooner]

DID HE

[rustic heath]

How is assassination looking for 9.1?

[thorny pond]

Is there not a green memo that circulates?

[gusty mirage]

Tag him so he has like 80 notifications

[pale fossil]

@limber lion Grats in 3 hours

[thorny pond]

Good

[silent fossil]

we have like 18 kills on sire and this still happens weekly https://i.imgur.com/1f321aS.png

[balmy condor]

@limber lion green boy more like GREEN PARSE

[silent fossil]

people chimpin out

[gusty mirage]

GOT EM

[vital tapir]

[sonic schooner]

@limber lion ma man

[woeful juniper]

https://gyazo.com/7566e03beb5e701689389ae2a0a2901e

CE guild btw

[gusty mirage]

We'll never know now, convenient that he got CF the moment he starts private logging

[limber swallow]

@balmy condor so, you promoted Cev so you could play sub in 9.1?

[sonic schooner]

2.20

[pale fossil]

I don’t even have an Inerva kill

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

I don't promote anyone, that's not my decision

[sick cairn]

quick question when 9.1 launches should i wait for rank 5 cloak? or do i make a rank 4 doomblade cloak once 9.1 comes?

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor Cev could green parse the rest of the expac and we'll never know now

[pale fossil]

I’m busy not using my IQD on M Hungering

[limber swallow]

I'm aware, just trollin 😉

[vital tapir]

Whispyr's Always been a sv Hunter Main in his heart

[balmy condor]

you should craft the rank 4 and then upgrade to 6

[woeful juniper]

sv hunter is simming better than the other 2 specs atm btw

[thorny pond]

Survival mains rise up

[sick cairn]

upgrade 6?

[balmy condor]

lets get real, I'm just the sim guy

[sick cairn]

is there a reason why its like this?

crit haste right?

[sonic schooner]

I cant wait for new domination socket on cloak in 9.2

[woeful juniper]

yes crit haste

[thorny pond]

Sim guy for discord is = the pizza guy

[vital tapir]

You're our ASMR guy

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

because why would you craft a 4, then upgrade to 5, then upgrade to 6

[pale fossil]

And the “that’s a stupid question” guy

[woeful juniper]

cause rank 4 takes 4 weeks

[sick cairn]

thanks whispyr

[woeful juniper]

and progress

[gusty mirage]

the man is literally 85% sims 15% hi-chews

[thorny pond]

Because seven eight nine

[woeful juniper]

i mean rank 6

[balmy condor]

3.2% by mass, I ran the numbers

[limber swallow]

@gusty mirage btw... cloaks were back down to 12k yesterday on A52...

[pale fossil]

Each spec needs a “your question is stupid” guy.

[gusty mirage]

I checked tonight, down to 9k

[sonic schooner]

When whisp run the sims it shows dashing is the best for m+

Just sayin

[gusty mirage]

I GOT FLEECED BRO

[sonic schooner]

🙄

[limber swallow]

I bought at 12...

too soon..

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage

[woeful juniper]

big loss

[vital tapir]

Cloaks going for 60k on my server

[balmy condor]

I bought 2

at 9

:)

[woeful juniper]

[thorny pond]

Bought at 9 sold them at 120kea

[gusty mirage]

My brother power leveled his alt's tailoring and sent me 3

[pale fossil]

I think I bought mine at 6 on Thrall

[gusty mirage]

idk wtf to do with them

[vital tapir]

Gib

[gusty mirage]

yall need some cloaks?

[sonic schooner]

I bought all for 30k each, I'm selling them 90k each. I own the market

[vital tapir]

We Split profita when I sell them here

[woeful juniper]

yea just come to europe

[sonic schooner]

[vital tapir]

Fucking 60k for a cloak.

These People are insane

[gusty mirage]

think of the damooj

[sonic schooner]

I m now on a little server dude

AH prices are insane

[vital tapir]

Same

[woeful juniper]

fyi if you have spare valor just buy leather with from the vendor next to the vault and you will have the money or mats for your lego

[gusty mirage]

I should've been asleep 2 hours ago, wtf am I doing with my life

[sonic schooner]

Dude I ve no flask

[vital tapir]

I'm on a shit server

[sonic schooner]

Because yersteday they were 2050g each

[gusty mirage]

Flasks shot up to 500g a pop on a52

[vital tapir]

Sounds Like me last night

[gusty mirage]

from 250

[dusky vault]

Wait this is a thing?

[civic trellis]

we all are waiting for more sims

😛

[woeful juniper]

yea 10 rare leather for 700 valor

[limber swallow]

I leveled an herbalist just because of the stupid flask prices

[gusty mirage]

I suck anyway, the new sims won't help me @civic trellis

[woeful juniper]

next to the vault theres a guy

[vital tapir]

Oh ye

[dusky vault]

Pog

[vital tapir]

Ty for reminding me sonndo

[dusky vault]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

I'm just good at learning dungeons, I know my niche

[sonic schooner]

So here I am, I left engeeniring, I left mining, I m back to my roots

[woeful juniper]

made 140k from that shit yesterday

[vital tapir]

Lol what!

[limber swallow]

yea.. my bank alt looks like that

[civic trellis]

"trying to click play"

[sonic schooner]

Ardenweald

[limber swallow]

nothing to do with all the stupid leather..

[sonic schooner]

well, heavy leather is 60g, heavy skin is 950g

[vital tapir]

think I just have all of the other mats

[sonic schooner]

And a flask is fken 2050g

[vital tapir]

like 100-ish of everything

[sonic schooner]

[vital tapir]

or more?

idk

[woeful juniper]

2050g for a flask

dafuq is wrong with your server

[limber swallow]

yea, that's nuts..

[sonic schooner]

Idk dude

[sick cairn]

is the best time to sell on release?\

or now?

[limber swallow]

even Shandris wasn't that bad..

[sonic schooner]

I transfered a month ago

This shit is insane

[woeful juniper]

god thing my guild pays for that shit

[sonic schooner]

I just give them some leather and ransom stuff

They Feed me

They don't know that I'm farming that much

No communism

[woeful juniper]

https://gyazo.com/d871c3876cbd3c9ecba23d6b920389c7

prepared for 9.1

[sonic schooner]

But since almost every legendaries gonna be on cloak

Leather crafting and plates

Are dead?

[woeful juniper]

nah

[sonic schooner]

Rings/cloaks

[woeful juniper]

it will still be decent

[civic trellis]

hands even

for some classes

[woeful juniper]

no hands

for leather

has socket

[sonic schooner]

Oooh

[woeful juniper]

https://gyazo.com/4dde4312839f3d7242cc1a3941bcbc65

[balmy condor]

true, I just checked my closet, the full set is all there

[civic trellis]

e.g mail can use legos in hands slot

[woeful juniper]

i am just tilted i have to recraft doomblade on a stupid cloak with less stats

[fallow otter]

Feelsbadman

[woeful juniper]

lmao how far back did you go xD

[fallow otter]

At work so can't sit here reading

[woeful juniper]

but yea my guild does not wanne do a fast strat what so ever

[fallow otter]

Needs bustse haha

Bursts

[woeful juniper]

i dps stop for like half the fight

[civic trellis]

is that much the diff between venthyr and necro in sludge?

flag on pilars sounds op

[woeful juniper]

our dps on slg: https://gyazo.com/cff1ce900136be621554816c389590e2

[civic trellis]

"dps check fight"

lol

[sonic schooner]

No

[fallow otter]

O dear haha

[sonic schooner]

The difference between Necro and venthyr on pillars

Is ridiculously non existant

[gusty mirage]

wdym looks fine

[woeful juniper]

fuck that wl padding

always dotting all the adds anyways

muh infite curroption

[civic trellis]

whats the cd of flag

2 min?

[woeful juniper]

meanwhile I throw 1 sbs and the world is ending

[balmy condor]

1:30 on flag

[civic trellis]

so you'd use flag at pull second and 4th

[woeful juniper]

yes

[balmy condor]

ye

[civic trellis]

how is that non-existent

[sonic schooner]

Just switch to outlaw and yell "what do u mean stop.dps I can't I got infinite proc aaaaaaaaaaaaa wtf I can't stop hitting those cleaves aaaaaa"

Ezclap

[fallow otter]

Slg is one of my best parses, rank like 40

[woeful juniper]

can i join your guild for a week ?

[fallow otter]

It's dead this week

[woeful juniper]

[sonic schooner]

Talked about it with ceve 2 days ago

2nd pillar as venthyr ans Necro

[woeful juniper]

2 sbs crits

[civic trellis]

Its 49k

lol

[sick cairn]

zoldyck on bracers?

crit haste as well?>

[woeful juniper]

flag is going to do more dmg tbh. he got lucky with the crits there and its still technically less. granted over the entire fight it doesnt really matter

since sbs always ticks

[civic trellis]

Yeah, no way there is no difference

And you get haste iirc

after flag is done

for quite a bit

which would empower your bleedings

[woeful juniper]

the hast while the pillar is active wont change much tbh the time window is to small

its nice tho

[sonic schooner]

But sbs is here for the whole fighr

[civic trellis]

yeah thats complex

[sonic schooner]

And increase envenom dmg

For the whole fight

[woeful juniper]

i mean looking at logs both covenants are up there so i doubt it really matters, but vent is probalby slightly ahead

[civic trellis]

that's with doomblade right

[sonic schooner]

It surely is

[woeful juniper]

in the end what determines good slduge dps is how lucky you get with crits during pillars

[sonic schooner]

Venthyr is always ahead in pure st and sludge is one of them

But the gap is such a little

[woeful juniper]

and how many pi's you get

[civic trellis]

okay

yo do around 500k dmg in envenenoms

[sonic schooner]

Yersteday I got no PI

[civic trellis]

sbs would increase that dmg for 5%

around 25k

in the whole fight

[sonic schooner]

They préféred PI a lock

Who was behind me

😔

[woeful juniper]

my gl is a lock he always gets PI

p3 sire stupid priest always goes upstaris and PI's them

granted sin PI really isnt as good

unless something changed that i am not aware of

[idle sinew]

sin is a decent PI

with CD's and optimal usage i think its like 400dps

PI'ing a lock p2 isnt int tho

[woeful juniper]

yea no way they PI me on sire

[sonic schooner]

I made 1/3 priest of my group realised how powerful was a PI on me

[woeful juniper]

those things are locked in for killing adds

[sonic schooner]

Specially on Huntsman

[idle sinew]

rogues are pretty strong in p2 if you play well with CT

[woeful juniper]

you dont need CT in p2 to do sick dmg

poision bomb works just fine

[nimble tartan]

if u normalize all the crit % and procs like pb across both covs like pb env crit 75% as necro vs only 25% on that venth pillar it is a decent difference

not enough for it to matter for me but it is a good difference if 75% crit env sbs is on par with 25% crit env flag which is more consistent in that case with a higher upside

[woeful juniper]

CT does outperform tho to be fair

[strange python]

Sbs is the opener from stealth? Wowhead lists it as after the snd iirc

[limber swallow]

SBS => SnD => Muti => Garrote => Rupture

[strange python]

Guessing that muti before garrote is because of MA?

[limber swallow]

yep, gonna get four CP

[strange python]

Kk thx

[cyan kite]

does numbing poison work on raid bosses?

[limber swallow]

yes

[cyan kite]

wow

I had no idea

been using it the whole time just in case but still.. huge

[civic trellis]

well

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n8MN996zLMRACFQeghHp9o

Venthyr is a bit ahead

:p

idk why the apl is not using vanish tho

@balmy condor are you alive? 😛

[strange python]

226 well placed steel only from venari?

[hazy crater]

it does vanish tho?

[civic trellis]

uhm where?

[hazy crater]

right here

[civic trellis]

Is that from the sample sequence table?

[hazy crater]

yeah

but also the sim has 2 instances of MA buff

and you need to vanish to get that

[civic trellis]

Fair enough, wasnt showing in raidbots summary

So venthyr is ahead on pilars by 5%

we could add raid_events+="/movement,players_only=1,cooldown=30,distance=25,first=10" to be more accurate but meh

[scenic osprey]

i play assas baecuse i can spam fok whenever i want lol

[balmy condor]

the fuck kinda cursed sim is this

[fallen arch]

Its middle of the night there dude

[civic trellis]

its 9 am here 😄

[hazy crater]

Yeah like somethings is pretty fucked in the sim as well

cant even figure it out

why is it made like that

[civic trellis]

i think its because the vulnerable event

shadowblades was bugged double diping a few months ago

in sub

but just happened in vulnerable events

[balmy condor]

it's 11:30pm im still at work

but I took one look at that sim

I'm not gonna trouble shoot that nonsense

[civic trellis]

😄

Its just the pilar, i am lazy to sim the whole fight

should be okay since its doing pilars rotation

[balmy condor]

no variance 30 second sim with a thing that wants to be a sludge pillar but then just moves halfway through

really fucking whack

my guess is it doesn't cast vanish cause it wanted to, and then it moved

[civic trellis]

i thought i've removed the movement uhm

[balmy condor]

and then it decided not to anymore

either way

that's a fucked sim

and it doesn't get any sort of approval from me

fix your own stuff

[sonic schooner]

🤔

[balmy condor]

idk what that is

[sonic schooner]

true true true

[civic trellis]

Bah simmed the wrong profile

[hazy crater]

super weird to do this as a profile set shit as well

just do a copy

[balmy condor]

I mean the profile set stuff actually is the only decent thing I see in that sim

it's really weird

I agree

but it's not technically wrong

[hazy crater]

yeah it works but I think its just a complicated way of doing an easy thing

[balmy condor]

agree

[hazy crater]

it's cursed anyway

[balmy condor]

@civic trellis who taught you to sim like that

this cursed shit has a french smell to it

that I don't really like

is it a french man with a blue name

[balmy nebula]

sorry about quick question. does CoS work on massacre at sire?

[balmy condor]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[balmy condor]

depends on the phase

p3 mythic it doesn't

[civic trellis]

Yup

xD

[balmy condor]

god fucking damnit

[civic trellis]

how did you know it

[balmy condor]

the way the sim input is written

there is no one else on this planet

that would do that shit

[civic trellis]

Well idk if he is french tho, iirc he is

[sonic schooner]

@balmy condor why so mean towards french

[civic trellis]

i agree there is something wrong there

like:

[balmy condor]

like the super advanced profile set for no reason

the 0 variance

the super low duration sim

even the pillar stuff reminds me of him

[tacit wedge]

imagine being french tho

[balmy nebula]

cool thx i didn't know the link

[civic trellis]

like: raid_events+="/movement,players_only=1,cooldown=30,distance=25,first=10"

but then

[sonic schooner]

feelsfrenchman

[civic trellis]

it wont even move 😄

[vital tapir]

is that who I think it is?

[tacit wedge]

you can still leave for a english server, or at least play with english texts

[sonic schooner]

Well i actually wanted to switch to english language but too lazy

[civic trellis]

Imagine remaking all the macros

[balmy condor]

does it start with an M and end with a "he's a" bitch

[sonic schooner]

ok i ll never change ingame language

[civic trellis]

i'd like to know what did happen there but

better not i guess

he was friendly towards me

[balmy condor]

oh he's a super friendly dude

[hazy crater]

better to forget that cursed sim

[balmy condor]

I just can't stand his sims

his sims are straight dumpster fires every single time

he has a weird way of being both incapable of simming like a normal person, and being smart enough to sim things properly somehow

at the same time

and its infuriating

[civic trellis]

tbh i'd like to understand what is weird there, but... i should understand how that events work first XD

[civic trellis]

Oh

[sonic schooner]

we almost had dashing being BIS for m+ tho

🙄

[balmy condor]

and like I want to reiterate, nicest dude, love the guy

but there's a habit

of janky fucking sims

[civic trellis]

Yeah i know what you mean

[balmy condor]

and him

it's like they can't escape each other

[next ore]

We gonna be best ST melee right guys! I mean most bosses in the raid focus on ST if i am not mistaken 🙂

[civic trellis]

Well i used that sims for sludge prog @balmy condor

😄

[balmy condor]

I’m sorry to hear that

[civic trellis]

but they had movement and such

[civic trellis]

Sub 😛

[next ore]

😄

[vital tapir]

watch it get nuked

[civic trellis]

@balmy condor i guess that sims wont make sense since it devalues and overvalues stuff in short fights

right

[vestal wren]

movement usually doesen't do a lot

[balmy condor]

Except stop the sim from casting cooldowns in the opener

[sonic schooner]

fuu

[balmy condor]

Don’t normalize this shit fuu

[neon cloak]

First thing u do every morning pray to God that Blizzard dont make any changes to the daggers

🌝

[vital tapir]

they already did?

[balmy condor]

Already hotfixed

[vital tapir]

it's been nerfed

[neon cloak]

Whhhhhhhaaaaaattttt

[vital tapir]

ye

[soft shale]

good shit

[vestal wren]

i think its less of a mistake than e.g. cutting fight lengh and such

[civic trellis]

Uhm but look at this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sRcr1Qpg8K4Cr7bWRHkU1F

[fervent nest]

Hey guys what are the Best stats for assa pvp 9.1? Any new good legendary with it? Crit/Vers is the go to?

[soft shale]

makes it possible to know how they are supposed to work

[civic trellis]

There is no movement at all, not even raidevents

[vestal wren]

its not as bad as running 30 sec or 2 minute sims for the next tier when fights are 5-8 minutes

[civic trellis]

but starts with garrote

[balmy condor]

This is literally a 30 second sim

[civic trellis]

and wont use vanish

[neon cloak]

I what did they change

[vestal wren]

that makes it quite... limited in use

[vital tapir]

they nerfed the dmg

[neon cloak]

%?

[vital tapir]

it's around 3.8% now

with 4 stacks iirc

[civic trellis]

it was a "sludge pilar sim" kekw

so yeah, very limited

😄

[vestal wren]

i mean its even bad for sludge pilar

[hazy crater]

and you have no talents chosen

[civic trellis]

how so?

[civic trellis]

wait what

[soft shale]

ahaha

[civic trellis]

/heartstone

[soft shale]

like that epic one where we didnt have daggers equiped

nad it was foking

[balmy condor]

I hate this

[soft shale]

to get cps

[balmy condor]

So much

[civic trellis]

XDDDDD

Okay, as future reminder, i shouldnt sim at 9 am

[soft shale]

sim to emulate when your main hand breaks

[balmy condor]

Now you understand

[soft shale]

oh fuck its 9 am pog

[balmy condor]

Why I didn’t even bother

Looking at it

[soft shale]

dom sockets are dumbo

[vital tapir]

poor whispyr

there there

[soft shale]

dodged a bullet there

[civic trellis]

Yeah haha

Sorry 😄

[vital tapir]

it won't get any better whispyr

[vestal wren]

lets double down on the 30 sec sim

you should play MA

try to sim it

[soft shale]

mfd time

it has been waiting for this day

[civic trellis]

Haha

[vestal wren]

also don't forget to have pots active (oh you do) and use blood lust

[civic trellis]

Eh eh eh

override.bloodlust="0"

Shame my old sub sims were already deleted

[vital tapir]

[vestal wren]

you should probably also make the sim don't use rupture

[civic trellis]

thats why it starts at sec 5

so it uses rupture and garrote out of pilar

[soft shale]

hmm

[civic trellis]

1000 IQ

[neon cloak]

Quick q, wowhead sin opener still valid?

[vestal wren]

besides, make a custom fight script and put in a damage amp raid event

[civic trellis]

the best thing was what whyst pointed out

[vestal wren]

btw. why do you sim without bl?

you assume you have all cooldowns, pots, etc up why remove bl

[civic trellis]

in pilar time the char would just move out

[vestal wren]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/RaidEvents#vulnerability

[civic trellis]

raid_events+="/movement,players_only=1,cooldown=30,distance=25,first=10"

XD

[civic trellis]

well in my mind i hadnt potions

only cooldowns

[vestal wren]

i mean

why would you not use pots with bl?

[civic trellis]

yeah i do but didnt want to include that, was a normal pilar without bl or pots

would a pot change the sim? the % difference would be the same or closer, wouldnt be?

[vestal wren]

if a pot lasts for the sim duration

how likely is it that it would change the sim if you remove it

just a hint

neverless, 30 sec sims are not very helpful esp. not on sludge

[shrewd night]

Whos roast session did I just roll into?

[soft shale]

we are doing the rites of sludge

[vital tapir]

a french guy whose name starts with M

[civic trellis]

Yeah but why?

[soft shale]

saying goodbye

[civic trellis]

i wanna understand why

at first i thought it would overvalue some things

and devalue others

[vital tapir]

shien's gonna take over for me, I'm going to go eat smth lel

bb

[soft shale]

i have my popcorn already

[shrewd night]

Monsieur Whispyr?

[soft shale]

[balmy condor]

Mikihisa and the tale of the cursed sludgefist pillar sims, chapter 15

I’d never birth such an abomination

No sir

[nimble tartan]

mfd pillar

[balmy condor]

[shrewd night]

Oh, Im at chapter 26, its still dog shit but I like to think there is a good plot-twist towards then end

[balmy condor]

You’re in for a surprise

It stays dogshit

All the way

[shrewd night]

[nimble tartan]

when will an ai download wow buttons and find out everything for us

[balmy condor]

There’s actually been attempts at neural network APL’s

[civic trellis]

i wonder if devs have sim profiles for balance purposes

[balmy condor]

They haven’t really gotten far

[nimble tartan]

aww man that sounds really fuckin cool tho

soon 👀

12.0 maybe

[wise gull]

i asked yesterday and couldn't get a solid answer but does anyone know how to change the transparency of enemies that aren't your target in plater?

I've tried every alpha setting and nothing changes it

[balmy condor]

Yeah hold on

[vestal wren]

for many reasons.

• The sim does not optimize for the short fight lengh and a vulnerability.
  you also didn't modify the apl or the fight script to have it
• you have all cooldowns, pots, bl(if activated), trinkets
• damage variance is very high and trinkets/effects that will have things like the MA or Deathly as top results.
• the fight has more than one pillow and you only sim the perfect alignment

[civic trellis]

Can't recall it but there was an option

[balmy condor]

I just did it like a week ago

[balmy condor]

• it’s 30 seconds

[vestal wren]

yes

[balmy condor]

Idk man

I’ve roasted the shit out of this pillar garbage

For months

and even a week before sludgefist is completely irrelevant

It’s still here

Haunting my dreams

[civic trellis]

Yeah, i dont want to revive that

[civic trellis]

Yeah well i can learn a bit from this so

its worth for me

[balmy condor]

That makes one of us then

[vestal wren]

what do you want to review?

[balmy condor]

Better than 0

[karmic sundial]

hello everyone, how is assa rogue in pvp right now? I just came in after a 6 month break

[soft shale]

assa can pve on 2s

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[vestal wren]

i don't rly see any learned thing from the sim that you couldn't conclude from a normal duration one

[limber lion]

I guess having a massive schlong is a requirement for being a CF, because god damn, you're packing

[civic trellis]

Well, i learnt to how-not-sim

[sonic schooner]

is this

the new greeny guy

[vital tapir]

Both of you packing a Huge

[shrewd night]

Nah, we just found some homeless dude living under the stairs to the basement.

[limber lion]

Thank you in 2.

[vestal wren]

for refereence, there is a damage graph in the report.
It shows how much damage you do during cooldowns

[wise gull]

@limber lion you motivated me to go conquer heroic lmao

[limber lion]

my boy

[soft shale]

i smell a lack of yellow

[wise gull]

glad that's over and done with!

[civic trellis]

What i did is, i did a normal sim, and noticed after 5 secs of fight the rotation would be the same as pilars rotation, so i set the vulnerability to start at 5 secs, i thought i wouldnt need to change the apl because of that

[soft shale]

actually parsing on slg is so hard

i never got a good one there

[limber lion]

It's really dependent on the tactic.

[civic trellis]

😄

[limber lion]

I can't get a 95+ with my new guild's mega slow tactic

[civic trellis]

if you cant kill after 4th pilar... rip parse

like, a few secs after

before the first stomp after 4th pilar

[vestal wren]

i don't see a vulnerability raid event in your sim

[civic trellis]

it had

raid_events+=/vulnerable,cooldown=70,duration=12,first=5 raid_events+=/movement,players_only=1,cooldown=30,distance=25,first=10

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sRcr1Qpg8K4Cr7bWRHkU1F

[civic trellis]

i linked another sim a bit earlier than that one

[vestal wren]

^ its from this sim you linked

[civic trellis]

that's the second one i think

i was wondering why was starting with garrote and not using sbs

on that sim

then figured out there is no talents

XD

[vestal wren]

well again, simming one of 3 or potentially 4 vulnerability phases won't rly tell you anything

besides the problems you have with cooldowns

[civic trellis]

Yeah, i should write down the whole fight i guess, and redo the apl

that fight is not hard to write down but the apl thingie is

[vestal wren]

writing the fight down is just adding the vulnerability events

more or less

but the sim is not adjusting for vulnerability

[civic trellis]

and adding movement, or isnt needed?

[limber lion]

Have to tell it to hold cd's as well

[vestal wren]

if you want to look at adding support, feel free

[limber lion]

But custom sims are always a bit of a mess.

[vestal wren]

movement isn't that impactfull

[vestal wren]

most custom scripts should be fine

just don't add fight events that are not well supported

[balmy condor]

It’s only a mess when they try to do things like this

I should show you my sims for the pins

That’s not messy at all

[vestal wren]

movement that does allow you to not attack the boss is just a random interrupt and hence causes weird behaviour

[civic trellis]

Well doing this i remember i found shadowblades was bugged with vulnerability events

so it was worth imo 😛

[hazy crater]

clean sims

[vestal wren]

and we don't support vulnerability events

but you can look into optimizing the apl for it

just requires you to go over the entire apl and see what is worth holding, what is worth skipping etc, how long its worth to hold, etc...

[balmy condor]

I mean honestly optimizing for vulnerability events is kinda useless tbh

[civic trellis]

well, the weapon enchant adds a vulnerability event, doesnt it?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I was more referring to trying to sim for a very specific fight with specific timings and whatnot, the kind that Lievet is trying to sim.

[balmy condor]

It’s like 2 fights an expansion

[civic trellis]

sinful something

[balmy condor]

And you’d have to rewrite the whole APL

[civic trellis]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

That’s just a normal buff

Vulnerability is a full 100%

[vestal wren]

you can also do a custom vulnerability value

[balmy condor]

And it’s one thing simming a buff that increases damage by like 8% with 60% uptime

Rather than a 100% pillar ever minute

[civic trellis]

it worked like a vulnerability iirc

[balmy condor]

But either way

The cases are way too broad and differentiated

For vulnerability sims to ever be worth rewriting for

Unless blizzard decides to radically change how they design raid fights

[civic trellis]

Yeah it makes sense, would be a no-sense to rewrite the apl for one fight

[vestal wren]

is there a vulnerability fight in 9.1?

[balmy condor]

Don’t think so, @limber lion maybe knows better

[placid pagoda]

Is it worth me crafting my doom blade Lego on my back now or shall I wait until patch

[wise gull]

can't craft it until patch anyway

so the decision is made easy for you :p

[drowsy hollow]

I kinda hope the Venthyr legendary is good, it sounds cool

[balmy condor]

Good luck crafting on cloak before the patch

[balmy condor]

It’s quite bad for sin/law

[drowsy hollow]

😦 tis the way of things.

[vestal wren]

both outlaw and assassination have strong legendary items

they both will stick to old ones

[drowsy hollow]

I'm not beholden to a spec, I used to love sub til they "homogenized" it with the other rogue specs, I feel it lost some flavor

[civic trellis]

Outlaw has 5 legos 😄

[vestal wren]

only subtlety benefits from the new legendary powers (kyrian and venthyr)
because the baseline items are 2-3% below what outlaw/assassination gets and the new items seem to be able to get close in vlaue to those the other 2 specs already have

so tl;dr: sub is highly dependent on covenant specific systems in 9.1

[limber lion]

Remnant of Ner'zhul has sort of a vulnerability mechanic.

[drowsy hollow]

I love Flagellation as an ability, so maybe I just swap to Sub again

[vestal wren]

venthyr works on all 3 specs well

[drowsy hollow]

Well if I want to use Obedience. 😄

[vestal wren]

necrolord just synergizes very well with outlaw and gets good values on assassination

(outlaw also is primarily a m+ spec and m+ is when necro rly shines on it)

[civic trellis]

They buffed plumage m+ power uhm

[soft shale]

yea after the nerf you always picked the crit

[vestal wren]

didn't they nerf iqd?

[civic trellis]

I wonder how it will be now

Good thing simc is going to implement anima powers

[soft shale]

someone told me they reverted the nerf on iqd but im not on ptr right now to check

[civic trellis]

what was the nerf?

[soft shale]

i mean as rogue at least you have synergy and anti synergy with crit

so it is kind of important

[balmy condor]

Let’s sim it, how long is it? 7 seconds? With stat weights?

[soft shale]

the nerf was 20% on stats

[balmy condor]

[civic trellis]

Its 718 right now

[soft shale]

yea its reverted then

[civic trellis]

it was 720 ish in retail iirc

[soft shale]

or well it was 720

then 719

now its 718

WE ARE LOSING STATS CAPTAIN

[civic trellis]

huge nerf

!!

[balmy condor]

My scaling

[soft shale]

my poor ocarina

[civic trellis]

but no worries, will still give mana to healers

[soft shale]

also lost 1 secondary

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

i praised that trinket so much

but people just didnt want to use it

[civic trellis]

wait its also 718 in retail

the nerf was in the ptr or also retail?

[fallow otter]

It's because it's dogshit to use for many fights

[soft shale]

what you use ocarina

ONE OF US

[limber lion]

[placid pagoda]

It’s early, my brain😂

[fallow otter]

Nah I like going good dmg

[silver fog]

Been playing NF assa and i got really used to 4x garrote with subterfuge. Now that im necro im kinda struggling whether should i open with garrotes again, or with sbs on 3 targets (but by that time subterfuge window wears off, so i would have to swap for master assassin). Whats the way to go? Question regarding m+

[balmy condor]

3 garrotes, fok, finish, sbs, sbs, finish, sbs, finish

Is fine

You could also 4 garrote finish

Or 3 garrote sbs I guess

[silver fog]

so its still worth to stick with subterfuge. Thanks, my tank will appreciate it ^^

Another q: is there a certain haste threshold where its better to pick deeper strategem over vigor?

[soft shale]

no magic number on haste

[limber lion]

Not really, you should just sim yourself. There's a lot of things that matter when chosing talents, not just haste.

[last stirrup]

Worth running Torghast before 9.1 just to recraft doomblade on cloak? or we gonna get hella soul ash anyways

[soft shale]

you will have to id it eventually

[limber lion]

Can't craft it now, only in 9.1

Yoy make the choice

Either do some now or do it all the next few weeks

[balmy condor]

@limber lion is it sim time

[vestal wren]

sim time 👀 ?

[balmy condor]

Domination sockets seem to all be in? 👀

[vestal wren]

oh nice

[balmy condor]

Is it time to generate some actual profiles?

[limber lion]

Let's go dude

You streaming it or nah?

[vestal wren]

its a short sim tho

^^

basically only need to sim each dps one + 3 set

[balmy condor]

Sure

[limber lion]

Good shit

[balmy condor]

Let me check to see

If it actually works

OHHHHHHH shit

ohhhhhhhhhhhh hot diggity

[hazy crater]

pog

[balmy condor]

late night stream esketit

[limber lion]

https://c.tenor.com/dLQ8k5i9wLMAAAAM/nut-press-button.gif

[vestal wren]

alright

[iron orchid]

Let's GOOOOOO

[soft shale]

k someone is not stopping the stream now

who needs sleep

time to lurk

[frosty bridge]

Does the patchwerk sim have a part where the target is low? e.g. for execute stuff?

[balmy condor]

it lowers health naturally

[frosty bridge]

Gotcha, so it's not 100% at all times

thank mr whispyr

[primal turret]

In a full ST fight (like for example 1st boss) im supposed to use SBS only to avoid capping charges?

[lean coral]

Dump during gemstone procs

[limber lion]

You open with sbs, then you dump everything during gemstone windows.

[brazen rampart]

Shit, I was dumping randomly when I didn't feel like waiting for energy

[limber lion]

You usually have 2 stacks of sbs for every gemstone window.

[primal turret]

what is gemstone? .-.

[brazen rampart]

Heirmir final trait

[primal turret]

oh okey

i swapped to necro yesterday ^^"

[limber lion]

You should be playing Bonesmith Heirmir at all times with Sin :)

[empty hinge]

Did I miss anything

[lean coral]

Dom sockets simmable now I think

[limber lion]

Yes they are.

[limber lion]

Not really.

[lean coral]

I shall wait for the pins

[torn atlas]

Oh baby oh baby

[primal turret]

is this proc?

[copper sundial]

ya

[primal turret]

Im kinda lost sorry

thank you

[limber lion]

Yep

You should get a weak aura to track it.

I use http://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

[primal turret]

I appreciate that =()

🙂

So SBS just in the oppener then avoid caping and use all charges while the proc right?

[raven vapor]

question: in a big pack should i be spamming FoK+CT or getting CT up and applying rupture+garrote to targets while refreshing CT (which i'm currently doing)

[limber lion]

You only refresh the bleed

You never spam CT.

You press CT, continue applying bleeds and refresh CT when it's in pandemic.

[raven vapor]

Open with SBS > Dump during gemstone > use one to ensure you don't cap outside of gemstone

[raven vapor]

great that's what i was doing, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a cutoff

[primal turret]

how melee-friendly is looking the raid so far?

[limber lion]

Very much so.

Could possibly see 6-8 melee brought in

if the tuning allows it

A lot of ranged are still tuned higher

[primal turret]

Thats nice

[limber lion]

so they will win by default

[gloomy fern]

i heard a acrobatic striking otp say its not melee friendly

[limber lion]

[gloomy fern]

it was a CF even

[limber lion]

Fatescribe probably the only boss

that's aids for melee

[tribal mauve]

750k envenom crit in thoghast that shit is stupid

[sonic schooner]

let s not talk about 20m sepsis then

😆

big boom

[teal bloom]

Last night I was raiding with some French guild and got 79% parse at mythic huntsman with 221 ilevel which is quite good considering how bad I am then I got 17% parse at hungering destroyer because I died a minute before it died I also had 8cp overcap with mutilate in that fight :( that was the first time killing that boss in mythic so kill is a kill I guess

Next tier I'll be trialing for a 8/10 mythic guild

[wise gull]

You'll do fine!

[limber lion]

Yeah, don't wanna hit mutilate at max-1 cp. Gonna wanna finish there.

But go get em tiger!

[teal bloom]

Yeah I guess I was so focused on the mechanics so I didn't keep track of cps properly :( thanks

[brisk forge]

But 8cp wouldnt change the end result especially 😜

[teal bloom]

Anyway, what is the concentrated form of mind numbing poison now that shiv always dispells enrage effects regardless of your active non-lethal poison?

Just more attack and casting speed reduction?

[warm parcel]

25% base 30% with mp

Same effect it has as a passive

Currently raid bosses are immune to it tho

[mystic flame]

With subterfuge why do I see people garrotte-mutilate rather than garrotte-ambush? Surely ambush is just plain better? Same energy cost and combo points but more damage

[strange python]

I'd guess cause of the Dommblade leggo maybe? 😄

[warm parcel]

Mut wins ambush

For a multitude of reasons

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[strange python]

ah there it is

So on another note, i've been watching some Jpc yesterday, he's considering going Sub Venth for raid prog
pretty much like the Assa/Outlaw spec though (sub not so much) aswell as staying Necro
I'm in a semi hardcore raiding guild and we want to start prog asap aswell
Would you guys recommend switching to venth for prog aswell or is assa good enough for that ?

[sick scarab]

tbh play what you like more.. if you are not in a world first race it doesnt have much sense.. it will not matter

[sudden nacelle]

hey guys, im not quite sure i understand the domination stuff... but given my current lego is on hands as a sin rogue (doomblade). Should I be recrafting to make room for these domination things? :S

[kindred shuttle]

Minmaxing, its not necessary

[sick scarab]

yep

if you are not wolrd race guild..

dont be a meta sheep

fuck blizzard tbh LOL

(is the numbers are close ofc)

just play spec you like... play it good and things will die

[strange python]

Yeah i mean i wouldn't switch if going sub would be like a 1% dps increase or smth
If going sub would be like doing double dmg I'd consider it but i guess that's not the case here

[brisk forge]

Fuck Blizzard? Its the top guild/m+ that sets the meta

[sick scarab]

no

[warm parcel]

I mean if a man wants to minmax, go ahead

Ven should beat on st

[brisk forge]

A game will always involved meta like no mattet which game

[warm parcel]

Necro should be better in 5man

So what do you value

[sick scarab]

it is blizzard design blusshit that lead to that

[teal bloom]

All games have meta no matter what, not much blizzard can do about it. People want to do what is considered the best choice

[strange python]

As long as there are different specs and different classes, there will always be a meta, and that isn't Blizzards fault.

[brisk forge]

Its the community that sets meta not Blizzard like i Said 👍 I mean Drjay blamed Rogues so much yesterday for not being good enough on big pulls, and info like that affect the meta

[sudden nacelle]

so ugh... if i DO want to be a meta slave... im remaking my legendary not as gloves? hahaha

[warm parcel]

Seems so

[brisk forge]

But sure cap some classes wasnt smart by wow

[slender berry]

if you care about optimizing your character , yes

[brisk forge]

Easy step atleast ✌️

[sudden nacelle]

great thanks guys aha ^.^

still doomblade just on non gloves?

[slender berry]

on cloak once 9.1 comes out

[sudden nacelle]

@slender berry thanks dude

[limber lion]

I'm staying necro for the entire progression.

If you want to minmax your covenant for every single boss, go for it. I'm skippin'

[deft obsidian]

I mean is there even that many "pure" single target fights? 🤷‍♂️

[limber lion]

There are a few

[native parcel]

Hey fpr

for m+ sim Patchwerk 4 target ~40 secs?

[limber lion]

Sim dungeon slice mainly

It's a good idea to do 4-6target target dummy at 40s as well sure.

[warm parcel]

Even if a fight isnt pure st.
Necro offers you nothing when youre inside kt phyl

Whereas flag is far more burst

Or sylv intermission burst window

Spike again doesnt live up to flag

[slender berry]

i wouldntbe so sure about that you might benefit from the extra combo points from spike on kt

[native parcel]

thx again

[warm parcel]

A. None of kt mobs even reset spike as of now.
B. Kt phyl is amother place

So no

[limber lion]

Whispyr simmed it and it doesn't look like the burst is that far off tbh

[slender berry]

isnt the range unlimited since 9.0.5 for the spike

[limber lion]

Looking very very similar.

[warm parcel]

Well see

[limber lion]

Necro is also more prio damage

[mint anvil]

what do you mean by that? ELI5

[vestal wren]

necro is more prio huh?

[limber lion]

Yep

[vestal wren]

under what condition

[slender berry]

probably under the condition that there are second targets which also give a spike on death ( or live long )

[limber lion]

2t+, also simmed several fight types with waves of adds

I did 1 wave of 3 mobs that last for 20s

And necro won

Maybe the new sims will change stuff up

Who knows

[vestal wren]

i mean

necro should do more to the prio target on multi target sims

[limber lion]

Yes

[vestal wren]

because the dot is ticking endlessly on the mt

[limber lion]

Even on fights

With 95% single target

The dot is not the big thing

[vestal wren]

if you go very low on target uptime

[limber lion]

It's the extra CP and Resets

[vestal wren]

you basically go to patchwerk

[slender berry]

since they are already so close on ST and you gain combo points with more targets with the resets thats probably enough to win on prio

[grim jay]

didnt he aswell say "with gemstone"
which you basically cant use "on-demand"

[trail dove]

If i want play Assa in Raid with good cleave dmg 2-3 Targets, then is Necro the way to go right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[hollow river]

Yep

[limber lion]

Yes, this is correct.

[grim jay]

ye and the point weak wanted to make was based on the on-demand burst

so its definitely a valid take

[limber lion]

It definitely is

And we've been through this like 5 times already

[trail dove]

Thanks mate

[limber lion]

I completely agree with Weak, that's why I've been saying that Venthyr might be good for KT these past 2 weeks now.

[hollow river]

If you need the burst bad enough to change covenants for KT

Wouldn’t you just run sub anyway

[naive cypress]

Sub isn't really that bursty anymore

[heavy roost]

What leggo is everyone crafting for sin raiding in 9.1?

[tulip nacelle]

doomblade on cloak most likely

[low wedge]

Doomblade or zoldyck i beilve

[faint harness]

Wrong

[heavy roost]

Yeah I have doom blade on my shoulders

[faint harness]

With obedience in 9.1, you have good st burst

[mint anvil]

What’s KT? No troll

[tulip nacelle]

kelthuzad

penultimate SoD boss

[mint anvil]

Ah

[naive cypress]

That, I was not aware of

[final star]

[faint harness]

Peaks at 20k dps in sims

[final star]

incoming

[faint harness]

In burst opener

Think assa is like 12-13k in comparison

[warm parcel]

You would indeed possibly run sub

[hollow escarp]

[warm parcel]

Also why vens good

Lets you sub in sub if its good

[final star]

I do like sub

[faint harness]

Vice versa

Will prob play both

[final star]

This xpac been callback to Legion for me

[faint harness]

Personally

[final star]

going assassination then into sub

[warm parcel]

Its just all bout what you want and see valuable

Necros nice for m+ as ol

[faint harness]

Depends on your own comp too

[warm parcel]

Or questing

Tru

[naive cypress]

In before it does the full rotation back to Zul

[warm parcel]

Also why Im rocking necro on live with ven return q done

I can go either way

[final star]

Ya

exactly that

[fathom swift]

same

[final star]

I'm 40 on all covenants atm anyway

covenant choice doesn't matter to me

[plain thistle]

same, necro with quest ready to go back to venthyr

[hollow escarp]

I'm only missing kyrian

[final star]

@hollow escarp

There they are

😄

[warm parcel]

Not even 10k

Smh

[final star]

No it's not

But sub is

[warm parcel]

[pallid spear]

sylv dagger is gonna boost it over 10k dw 8-)

[final star]

and sylv dagger gonna boost sub even more cos of deeper daggers conduit

[spice spire]

Pins

[warm parcel]

Theyre getting nuked back to 15dps dw :)

[lean thorn]

Hey guys
Bonespike question - if the fight is strictly ST - do we use it on cooldown (not overcaping cp of course)?

[hollow escarp]

during gemstone buff

if heimir

[lean thorn]

Got ya, thanks

[faint harness]

And more finishers

[final star]

yup

[grim jay]

uh boy, obedience and zoldyck so close for DS

[desert inlet]

Obedience in SD so you have a legendary on last boss

[mystic osprey]

Can anyone share/link a solid high Necro Sin ST sim?

[neon cloak]

Hey guys would it possible to show us the current Sylv daggers damage comparing to the other abilities🙏

[whole bluff]

It's about 6% of all your dps rn, prob still gonna get tuned

[neon cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-no-please-no-gif-5026106

[potent dagger]

i'm kinda surprise that sins seems under sub in all case Oo

[thorny pond]

It’s not

ST is close and cleave sin is still king

[lean thorn]

It is in raw numbers however sub's burst windows are so easy to screw up, considering the encounter

[tight ginkgo]

Yea 5 target 2 min is not analogous to extended 2 or 3 target raid scenarios

[potent dagger]

yeah but i'm more surprised about the dungeon slice

[thorny pond]

If you’re referring to the pins that’s also more gear than you’ll have for a while.

You shouldn’t be

Aoe plus boss

Subs delight

[dull cloak]

https://twitter.com/projectpotato17/status/1407531227121295365

ProjectU (@projectpotato17)

@vashywow Oh boi, do I have news for you

Twitter · Jun 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

did it get buffed

[cobalt pelican]

it's borked

[gusty mirage]

AFAIK people testing the dagger yesterday and today have said that the dagger got hotfixed already

[whole bluff]

JPC was doing testing yesterday, it wasn't as much

[warm parcel]

The dagger is about as incomplete of a product as it can be

So pay no attention to it

[strange python]

9.1 #FinishedProduct

[spice spire]

You forgot about rogues going into shadowlands

[warm parcel]

Will be fixed for live

[dull cloak]

good, always thought it was dogshit after the secondary nerf

[dark swift]

Is there a way to check lashing scars 200ilvl vs 226

Dps increase

[hollow escarp]

yes

[azure bronze]

use top gear on raid bots and unlock all conduits/soulbinds in the lower part then just sim once for 200 and once for 226 ilvl with the same gear

[strange python]

hey do you have any simulations between assa venthyr and assa necro on next tier ?

[tulip nacelle]

pins

[hollow escarp]

fresh