assassination

[gusty mirage]

Doing 20% of our damage is kinda busted lmao

[shrewd night]

[limber lion]

Perfect.

[still agate]

awesome ty

[limber lion]

Then there's of course some nuance, like Necro being the best AoE covenant for Sin/Outlaw

And Venthyr being the best for pure ST for Sin

And so on

[shrewd night]

You know what I just realized cev

[limber lion]

Sup

[burnt star]

I mean.. do we still have the new new new bugged w.f.t. were we only get 8% increased?

[shrewd night]

Check the ok-hand emoji. Then realize which way the hand is facing. Itsopposite of what it should be

Edward MirrorHands

[spice spire]

Wait

[vital tapir]

👌

[spice spire]

That’s cursed

[limber lion]

[vital tapir]

No? It's fine?

[limber lion]

I never realized

[gusty mirage]

Cursed

[shrewd night]

This one

[spice spire]

Without a face it makes sense

[vital tapir]

Oh that one

Lmao

Yeah

[spice spire]

With a face too my man is twisting his arm, unlucky

[vital tapir]

But it's fine if it's the right hand
Oh W8 its's left hand.

What.

[limber lion]

I'll never unsee it now

[shrewd night]

[vital tapir]

That shit's cursed

[spice spire]

Shien inflicting pain on others as denny did to him

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

That’s a long journey

Shien might not be done before 9.2 if that’s the goal

[undone pasture]

this is mild compared to what denny did to him

[spice spire]

This is true. Mental has to be unmatched at this point

[gusty mirage]

Yeah idk how you even had the will to double click the battle.net icon after all that shit

@shrewd night

[gusty kestrel]

@still agate are u making a rogue guide for your guild

[vital tapir]

Oof

[gusty mirage]

Dude I wanted to uninstall after watching my potato guild wipe on hungering 60 times

[drifting cloud]

I mean 60 isnt t hat high

[strange python]

Am I trolling my mythic plus comp if I want to play sin? :/

[frosty bridge]

nope

[gusty mirage]

It is when the reason you wipe is overlapping beams

[frosty bridge]

Sin does good in M+

[strange python]

It's just so much fun

[spice spire]

Yikes

[strange python]

And other specs are lame

[frosty bridge]

Vendetta for the minibosses is great

So just go for it, it's more than viable

[strange python]

Okay awesome, thanks :D

[lone minnow]

is there any sims yet on sylvanas dagger?

[spice spire]

No

[gusty mirage]

If they go live like this, they’re going to be busted AF

[dire spoke]

secret sims only for top tier patreon simps

[gusty mirage]

That’s all you really need to know right now lol

[lone minnow]

thats what i was thinking

[neon cloak]

I hated that fight during progress so much

More than SLG

[gusty mirage]

It really showcased who in your guild struggles with basic instructions

[neon cloak]

Guess what half of em are not playing anymore 😂

[gusty mirage]

The warlock who made us change our entire strat after 40 pulls informed us that he will not be raiding in 9.1

I was so saddened by that news

[neon cloak]

We did that as well 🌝

The raid overall was good (for me at least)

Killing Sludge with 10 melees

Sire was fun with my Havoc

Cant wait for 9.1

[neon cloak]

Counting the tanks btw

[steep obsidian]

i got 1/10 prog this tier

sire only

did full prog on it

fck this tier tho

[neon cloak]

Had fun (not counting hungering & SLG)

[warped sparrow]

Quick question, is it worth using crimsong tempest as a part of my single target rotation during mythic sire denathrius in later phases or is it only good in aoe?

[limber lion]

Yes, outside of Shiv windows.

[warped sparrow]

Awesome, thanks

[lone minnow]

is doomblade still gonna be bis?

[limber lion]

It's looking like it currently yeah.

But the sim boys have not finished simming everything yet.

We're still missing dom sockets and the Sylvanas daggers for one.

[lone minnow]

the sim boyz?

[limber lion]

Yes, the theorycrafters.

[radiant fossil]

is the sylvanas dagger debuff applied by only one rogue is intented ?

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

It's bugged.

[radiant fossil]

hoo

thx god

[lone minnow]

is there any logs that show the daggers dmg?

[limber lion]

You can test it out in the ptr.

It is very buggy and very overtuned currently.

[odd heath]

There was a similar bug with coral or inkpod on bfa

[limber lion]

Doing around 25% of our damage.

[odd heath]

Don't remember

[limber lion]

And with Exploit Weakness on sub

So they definitely have the technology to fix it.

No worries.

[velvet escarp]

@limber lion gratz on making CF :) and thanks for all the assa help & info u constantly pump out for everyone. well deserved!

[limber lion]

Thank you, mate!

[native parcel]

Hey, do i use CT in my opener before Vendetta/Shiv in ST or just wait with it till shiv ist finished?

[limber lion]

On single target?

[native parcel]

yeah

[limber lion]

On multiple targets you'd use it before or during.

On single target just use it after the Shiv.

[lone minnow]

@limber lion gz and thx for quick answers 😄

[native parcel]

alright thx thought so but felt somehow wrong ^^ and gz 🙂

[limber lion]

[whole bluff]

Oh no way Cev turned green

Congrats

[limber lion]

thank you boys

[frail fossil]

cev mute me uwu

[gusty mirage]

Hey I’m the #1 Cev simp here

[spice spire]

Can’t be number one for Cev and whisp

[austere swallow]

Bois, we normally run blindside with EP right?

[scenic meteor]

Deserved cev

[gusty mirage]

I’m like #8 Whispyr simp at best

[gusty mirage]

Blindside with deeper stars

Strata**

[austere swallow]

Oh

Right I meant that

Yeh cheers <3

[scenic meteor]

Damn necro only 50 dps behind venth ST

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Yep, Necro is fun

I would play Venth if I played Sub as well

[scenic meteor]

Those sims show sub to be quite good too

Still staying sin 🙂 I love bleeds

[worthy moth]

hey guys

assassination necro or venthyr?

in overall m+/single

[scenic meteor]

Necro

[limber lion]

Necro for m+.

[worthy moth]

why?

[mystic osprey]

For Necro, does Sin ST and Outlaw M+ share the same soulbind?

[scenic meteor]

Necro is only 50 damage behind in ST and way ahead in aoe

[limber lion]

Yes.

[mystic osprey]

lame

[limber lion]

Actually, give me a sec.

Yeh, they do

Heirmir for both

[worthy moth]

calm down, im not understing

understanding

[mystic osprey]

Thank you

[limber lion]

Necro does more damage when there are more targets.

[worthy moth]

necro is good for m+ only?

not St?

[limber lion]

It's probably the choice for raids as well.

Venthyr for ST.

Venthyr is like 50 dps higher in st

[scenic meteor]

No necro is still very good for raiding, like I said very slightly behind venthyr

[limber lion]

but Necro wins in every aoe scenario

[scenic meteor]

Does necro win in two targets?

I assume

[worthy moth]

how much behind venthyr?

[limber lion]

By 250+ dps

[scenic meteor]

50 damage in ST @worthy moth

[limber lion]

[scenic meteor]

Look at the pins, great new sims

[worthy moth]

not too much

[scenic meteor]

Absolutely not too much, I’m switching necro @limber lion lol

Seems too good to stay venth lol

[limber lion]

Yep, we're necroboys here.

[worthy moth]

idk guys...

im still confused

[scenic meteor]

Why?

[worthy moth]

too much haste

when flag power

[vestal wren]

necro or venthyr is the way

[gusty mirage]

What’s confusing about it

[fervent rune]

It’s also the soulbind tree derstro that helps necro

[gusty mirage]

It’s 50 dps ahead of necro in single target and the moment one mob pops up necro becomes better

It’s kinda straight forward

[limber lion]

It's not very complicated.

[scenic meteor]

Are you confused that when you use flag there is too much haste??

[dim oxide]

wait 1 + 1 == higher dps?

[worthy moth]

when he said:

"Covenant Recommendations
assassin/subtlety: venthyr
assassin/outlaw: necro
subtlety/outlaw: kyrian
all 3: pick one depending on the above.

reasoning: necro sin is quite close in single target to venth, and wins on 2+ target, subtlety looks good as venth/kyrian in single target, venth/fae in m+, outlaw is necro/kyrian for m+, venth/kyrian in single target. "

he says necro is the same shit as venthyr?

fuck my head, confusing

[gusty mirage]

Venthyr is 50 dps ahead of necro in pure single target

Once there’s a 2nd target to bonespike

That 50 dps disappears

[languid frigate]

The pinned tabs says 150dps. You always take lashing.

[limber lion]

It's not really confusing.

[delicate bone]

more damage = better

things are VERY rarely pure single target

[scenic meteor]

Necro feels too good not to go

[gusty mirage]

Where

[scenic meteor]

Also was the necro leggo out the picture? Just zoldycks now right?

[gusty mirage]

Deathspike’s probably dead

[limber lion]

I don't see a world where a sin OTP plays Venthyr.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah those are 9.0.5 sims

[limber lion]

Venthyr is great if you're also planning to play Sub though.

[worthy moth]

def dead

[gusty mirage]

They’re outdated

[potent dagger]

i'm still confused about what spec to go :/

[scenic meteor]

New sims today right?

[potent dagger]

i enjoy both assa and outlaw :/

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr already posted some

[delicate bone]

just play all 3 specs tbh

[gusty mirage]

Play both 🙂

[worthy moth]

outlaw is so boring

[scenic meteor]

@potent dagger do you raid or m+

[potent dagger]

mostly raid

[worthy moth]

like a fury warrior, never change targets

[delicate bone]

outlaw has the highest apm, so not sure how its "boring" lol

[limber lion]

Necro for raids, Outlaw for m+. Sorted.

[scenic meteor]

Sin is way better in raiding, outlaw is way better in m+

[limber lion]

I mean

Sin for raids*

[delicate bone]

all 3 specs serve their purpose in something

[scenic meteor]

Sub? 🙂

[spice spire]

Legit semi-balanced

[potent dagger]

i duno if there is a lot of cleave in the new raid ^^

[spice spire]

ST is pretty giga on sub

[limber lion]

Legion Havoc DH had crazy high apm as well but it was probably the most boring spec out of all.

[scenic meteor]

The sub sims look good tho right?

[worthy moth]

im doing 7k as assassination in m+ só idk u guys talking about outlaw

[delicate bone]

i plan to sub strictly for pvp lol, so thats the purpose it will serve for me

[scenic meteor]

Sin is still perfectly fine in m+ but outlaw is just flat out better

[delicate bone]

could be doing over 8 as outlaw 😉

[worthy moth]

lol

[scenic meteor]

Lol btw 235 cloak went up 40k in my server

Lucky I bought it early

[spice spire]

We’re not saying sin is BAD in m+, just objectively worse. May gamers ™️ here are absolute fraggers in sin m+

[delicate bone]

the 235 cloak was 70k on my server yesterday

insane

[scenic meteor]

Ouch

[delicate bone]

didnt mean to do that as a reply... ll

[scenic meteor]

I got mine for 22k

Got my 235 legs for 33k

But like o feel bad for mages, warriors the 235 ring is like 90k on my server

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

But you only gotta buy it once, so it's not too bad.

9.1 probably lasts for another 15 months

So it's a pretty good investment.

[scenic meteor]

Yeah but surely this shouldn’t have been a problem in the first place

[delicate bone]

why not?

new tier, new grind

[plain thistle]

I got mine for 8k 3 days ago

[worthy moth]

oof, not that lonf pal

[potent dagger]

Ok i will go necro assa then 😉

[limber lion]

Good choice!

[worthy moth]

long*

[potent dagger]

Outlaw seem lacklusting in st :/

[scenic meteor]

Lol pretty sure poison bomb doesn’t show up in my graphics settings(lowest)

[potent dagger]

i've seen some sim for 9.1 bon't don't find the original post if you get that 😉

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it could use some love, and it might in 9.1.5 if not during mythic tuning if they decide to buff classes

[limber lion]

There's sims in the pins.

[potent dagger]

Thanks !

[languid frigate]

when are the 9.1 sims getting pinned, ST in particular? Apparently they are still 9.0.5

[limber lion]

They are there already.

Are you looking at the right thing?

[delicate bone]

outlaws not meants to be the best in ST though, so shouldnt be surprised

[limber lion]

Might be messed up on phone.

I know my pins didn't get updated on my phone.

[limber lion]

#assassination message

[gusty mirage]

It’ll definitely get some love though, because now with sub’s buffs it’s behind assa/sub quite a bit

[potent dagger]

i do not understand the difference between outlaw and assa on those sims event on DS assa is waaaaaaaaayyyyy better

[gusty mirage]

The outlaw sims are with 226 gear equipped and the sims Whispyr posted I believe is 258 equipped

[vestal wren]

^

[limber lion]

Yep.

I think Guy is waiting for the dom sockets/daggers to be implemented

[potent dagger]

ok so we basically don't know ^^'

[limber lion]

Before doing the final 9.1 sims.

[delicate bone]

should be fine tbh, i dont expect its ST to ever be on par with the other 2 specs

[vestal wren]

they are not ment to be cross compared

[delicate bone]

as long as its cleave/aoe is better

[vestal wren]

but you can compare sub/sin

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that’s fair

[vestal wren]

outlaw should be in the ballpark of sub in 9.1 in dslice

[heavy tree]

I haven't played this spec in a long time. I am seeing people use garrote/rupture in their shiv window on logs. Is that correct?

[tired vessel]

If ya gotta refresh; you gotta refresh

[limber lion]

Yes, ideally you'd want to only use Envenoms during the Shiv window, but if you gotta refresh, you gotta refresh.

Never let em drop.

[sonic schooner]

never gonna let u drop

🙏

[scenic meteor]

For ST does this sound right?

Bonespike, SnD, mutilate garrotte, rupture for very beginning of pull?

Assuming mutilate garrotte takes you to max-1

[raven vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't worry too much about the CP of that first rupture

but yeah it looks good

[sonic schooner]

if u got unlucky and only 2 cp on your muti i would sbs snd muti garrot shiv rupt, and then vendetta vanish blablabla

just to make sure i ve a 4cp rupt rolling off and shiv is already threw on cd

dont know if that s the correct way but i do it 🙄

[limber lion]

If you play DS, you should honestly just muti again if you're at 3cp after garrote.

And then slam Shiv after Rup

[scenic meteor]

After you rupture do you shiv as first combo point? Then vendetta and slam envenoms?

[limber lion]

Vendetta before Shiv

But yes, Shiv at 0cp

[gusty mirage]

you can mutilate if you really want to try hard the shiv window, but tbh its not that big of a deal

[limber lion]

Then you vanish and follow the normal generator/finisher rules.

[scenic meteor]

Nice

Is it bad to shiv at max combo points, just to get a quick envenom?

[gusty mirage]

1 CP wasted on a shiv isn't that big of a deal

just best to not make a habit out of it ya know?

[scenic meteor]

Yeah and garrotting at max is bad I assume

[gusty mirage]

correct

[tardy jay]

does assa will be the spec on the next tieer ?

[gusty mirage]

you have like ~7ish seconds to refresh garrote in pandemic, do that first

[scenic meteor]

What sorry?

Will sin be the best spec?

[tardy jay]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

subtley will be just as good (with the potential of being better, especially with the sylvanas daggers) as assassination

so you can play whichever you like more

[tardy jay]

becuz i like assassination more than sub

[scenic meteor]

Sub and assa for raiding, outlaw for m+

[gusty mirage]

then welcome aboard 🙂

[limber lion]

Just play assa then :)

[scenic meteor]

Yeah play assa then

[limber lion]

I like Sub as well, but I'm sticking to Necro Sin for the entire progression.

[tardy jay]

assa is correct enough in M+ right ?

[limber lion]

Might dabble with Sub after progression.

[limber lion]

Yes, you can do just fine as assa in m+.

[gusty mirage]

depends on the key levels, but up until like 20s assassination is fine

[limber lion]

It's the worst spec out of the 3, but still completely viable.

[tardy jay]

and btw guys what is the covenant to choose for assa ?

[scenic meteor]

Is sub better then assa in m+?

[gusty mirage]

Necro if you plan on doing m+ as assa

@scenic meteor yeah in 9.1 sub is doing nutty aoe damage

super close to outlaw damage

[scenic meteor]

Damn might try that 🙂

Is it just blackpowder spam?

And shirken storm

[gusty mirage]

in aoe, yeah

[delicate bone]

the only downside is that if sub is doing that nutty aoe dmg, its ST is shit. Outlaw doesnt have that issue though. It ultimately comes down to a preference thing until you get to a certain level though

[wild hollow]

so is crafting doomblade gloves the move with the new sockets?

[gusty mirage]

Subt ST is good

its cleave is shit

[delicate bone]

doomblade cloak

its ST isnt good if its doing the aoe though

[gusty mirage]

Finality still works on eviscerate

[delicate bone]

eviscerate isnt aoe

[gusty mirage]

sure

[delicate bone]

that would be funneling

[gusty mirage]

but you play finality in aoe

[delicate bone]

which is different

[gusty mirage]

because it also buffs BP

[scenic meteor]

Did you see the new sub ST sims?

[delicate bone]

you just have to make the conscious decision to do aoe or st as sub

[gusty mirage]

Sub ST is good, it's cleave is what sucks

[delicate bone]

thats St, the ST is great

[languid frigate]

Yeah i'm torn now. Sub looks like it's going to be nutty in both AoE and ST now. And if the new daggers only make it better, it might be BiS spec?

[delicate bone]

i dont think you guys are comprehending what im saying lol

[scenic meteor]

Pretty sure gloves is a domination socket spot

[limber lion]

It loses in cleave to Assassination

Necro Sin will probably still be the preferred progression spec, but Sub will definitely see some play.

[tacit wedge]

sin rogue is love

[limber lion]

There's some nutty sub gamers out there.

[dapper flint]

sub loses to everything in cleave i guess 😄

[tacit wedge]

sin rogue best spec

[limber lion]

It was a thing this patch

Next patch you want a cloak.

[scenic meteor]

Ooo that’s a cool emote

[sonic schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/713457366628040854.gif?v=1

[gusty kestrel]

yea outlaw has other issues

[delicate bone]

oh 100%

[gusty kestrel]

like the fact that its an awful spec overall

[delicate bone]

eh

0%

lol

it has issues, but its a fine spec, come on lol

[gusty kestrel]

nope

[daring karma]

delusi nal

[delicate bone]

idk why theres so much like spec to spec hatred lol, i play all 3 and have no issues doing so..

they all serve a purpose tbh

[gusty kestrel]

and who are you

[thorny pond]

Outlaw gets a lot of hate because people are sentimental about combat

That and rng just attracts hate from people

[delicate bone]

i actually have that guy blocked and cant remember why lol

[gusty kestrel]

well seeing the way he types

I can understand why

its just that outlaw brings nothing special to the raid

[daring karma]

who are you to say OL is awful while it was dominating CN before braindead sin was buffed

[gusty kestrel]

DOMINATING

are u high

[tacit wedge]

BFA i used to unironically love OL and play the shit out of it

[thorny pond]

Lol dominating

[daring karma]

rogue specs that is

[tacit wedge]

like even in raid

[delicate bone]

wait i played outlaw raid all tier and can confirm that it was not dominating lol

[gusty kestrel]

bro just stop talking honestly

[vital tapir]

@daring karma you're high

if you think OL dominated CN

[gusty mirage]

some people are still stuck in January

[gusty kestrel]

ure already making a fool of yourself

[mossy crown]

so I made the jump to Necro boys yesterday

[thorny pond]

We’re here in July where dagger bois are kings

[gusty mirage]

[mossy crown]

already at 25 renown

[daring karma]

?? before sin was buffed the only choice was OL

[gusty kestrel]

yea keep believing that

[gusty mirage]

Sub was still good people just jumped off the bandwagon early

[scenic meteor]

And how is sin braindead compared to outlaw?

[thorny pond]

Most guilds saw limit and echo no rogue so that’s what they thought raid comp should be

[tacit wedge]

because you press buttons and you are top dps, unlike outlaw where you press buttons and you are not top dps because you are waiting for blizzard to tune your spec

[gusty mirage]

Sad but true

I hope our pirate brethren get some love

[vital tapir]

that's warr spec bro

[gusty mirage]

Fury warrior with pistols is still a yellow name

[daring karma]

well, sin is the easiest of the 3 due to the downtime it has

[sonic schooner]

you mostly wait for broadside to proc

[vital tapir]

trueee

[thorny pond]

Fury warrior with a gun sounds amazing

Give outlaw 2 2h

[sonic schooner]

juicy 3% broadside active time

[gusty mirage]

Well then do I have a spec for you:

[gusty kestrel]

keep telling that to yourself

[daring karma]

did i hurt your feelings?

[thorny pond]

Do you also sell bridges?

[gusty kestrel]

I dont even know who you are

[gusty mirage]

yeah along with oceanside property in Idaho

[gusty mirage]

you interested?

[vital tapir]

you're a clown

[gusty kestrel]

youre probably some world 5000 raider who watches infexious videos everyday and follow him

[thorny pond]

I need a vacation home with easy access to potatoes

[delicate bone]

i 100% think i was justified in blocking that guy lmfao

[gusty mirage]

I got you, 50% off

[daring karma]

too bad im way better than you ever will be

[vital tapir]

oh for sure

LMAO

[gusty kestrel]

u wanna check that?

[vital tapir]

HAHHAHAHAHAA

[delicate bone]

i wish i remember why lmao

[drifting cloud]

doubling down

[gusty kestrel]

u sure u wanna go that road?

[drifting cloud]

thats a bold move

[limber lion]

That's a giga take.

[vital tapir]

THIS FUCKING GUY

LMAO

[thorny pond]

Link them logs boys

[delicate bone]

LOL

[scenic meteor]

LUL

[vital tapir]

OH GOD THIS IS COMEDY GOLD

[drifting cloud]

if you were actually good at this class youd know who tisu is

[delicate bone]

how the fuck do you tell Tisumi youre better than them im actually laughing bro

[drifting cloud]

so you already lost

[daring karma]

Kapp

[vital tapir]

leave the clown

he can't be anything but clown so he angery

[pliant grail]

[worthy moth]

what the fuck is going on? im more lost here than sub in pve

[gusty mirage]

oh boy

[vital tapir]

oh god

another fried take.

wow

[gusty mirage]

this man just said he's better than a world first raider

OOOOOOOOOOF

[scenic meteor]

Lol what an idiot

[daring karma]

[vital tapir]

clown clown

[delicate bone]

send the logs bro

[safe barn]

Oh hell

Here we go again with the sub sims

[vital tapir]

he actually sent logs.

[gusty kestrel]

so ure playing a spec that has 5 people to compete with

[vital tapir]

[worthy moth]

hes good at least

[gusty kestrel]

bro

[worthy moth]

but still an idiot

[gusty kestrel]

6.5 on huntsman

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[limber lion]

World 286

[daring karma]

well when i was playing sub was more active but yes

[thorny pond]

You quit playing in March but you’re gonna sit in here and troll kek #byefelicia

[vital tapir]

too bad you're still around 200x worse than tisu even with that rating

[limber lion]

Very active indeed.

[daring karma]

obviously everyone switched to sin by then

[worthy moth]

sub pve in a nutshel

[safe barn]

No they did not

[vital tapir]

[scenic meteor]

Have some hope 🙂

[queen herald]

yo guys i'm not really sure i understood the socket things right

[vital tapir]

I love how fried these takes today are

[queen herald]

for the presocket stuff

[thorny pond]

nobody does

[queen herald]

could someone explain?

[daring karma]

and idk why you're so salty, all i said was the guys take on OL that he was delusional

[gusty kestrel]

u quit the game

yet u come here thinking u know better

[queen herald]

I mean we are gonna have doomblade on the cloak so i guess we do not really care about farming 1 more to pre socket somethign right?

[limber lion]

You get items that have sockets.
You get gems, which you put in the sockets.
You get a set bonus for having 3x same kind of gem.

[thorny pond]

Oh then yea

[queen herald]

I get that ahah, was talking about the part where you pre socket something but i guess we dont really need to since we use a cloak leggo

[limber lion]

Yeh

No point to start socketing non-legendary items now

[daring karma]

so if someone quits then he cant criticize a stupid take?

[raven vapor]

is it worth upgrading Zoldyck legs to 235 (for m+) now with the soul ash farm coming in 9.1 or keeping dust to craft a cloak straight away?

[gusty kestrel]

without an actual argument no

[limber lion]

That's a choice for yours to make.

[spice spire]

Zoldyck’s stays on legs

[thorny pond]

You can farm to infinity basically

[spice spire]

So your choice but seems fine

[limber lion]

If you can farm Torghast without wanting to end it all, then go for it.

[spice spire]

You’ll want both Zoldyck’s and a cape of some sort ™️ for both bits of content

[thorny pond]

If you farmed lucid nightmares without a map you can easily farm torghast forever

[raven vapor]

can't personally stand torghast, is it likely we'll need the cloak week 1?

[thorny pond]

negative

[delicate bone]

you can stealth through all of torghast in like 5 minutes

its cake

[raven vapor]

cool i don't mind splitting some torghast farming over a couple of weeks

i'll upgrade the zold then thanks

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

I'm waiting for mythic week myself.

No need to rush things.

[thorny pond]

We get basically 2 weeks to prep for raid (mythic) that's plenty of time

• this week

[scenic root]

@limber lion you decide if you are staying necro or going venthyr for sub yet?

[spice spire]

Tl;dr patch doesn’t REALLY drop until the 6/7 🙂

[raven vapor]

sidenote, how is sin in torghast? i've been running as outlaw for the hook build

[thorny pond]

how geared are you?

[naive cypress]

I like sub in Torghast

[raven vapor]

225

[thorny pond]

easy then

[spice spire]

Sim is super easy

Sin even

[thorny pond]

take the aoe build and just go

[tacit wedge]

giga easy

[thorny pond]

stealth to the end, maybe get a power or 2

[limber lion]

I'm staying Necro.

[thorny pond]

free ash

[spice spire]

A man of culture

[distant cypress]

crushing seeing Nightfae rock bottom

[safe barn]

Ikr, i liked a lot NF

[distant cypress]

same

im gonna stay NF anyway. I'll suffer through this patch

[limber lion]

NF hasn't been the greatest pick for a long time now.

If you've been doing fine as a NF thus far, you'll do fine in 9.1 as well

[kind quiver]

I love the NF aesthetic.

[distant cypress]

same!

[rustic whale]

wait are we going BS/DS for raids in 9.1?

[burnt star]

I prefered venthyr

[naive cypress]

We kinda already are?

[rustic whale]

@naive cypress nope both sims and my current raiding is EP/Vig

[naive cypress]

Mine is BS DS

[limber lion]

BS/DS still probably the best choice for single target.

[burnt star]

I know sims arent "finalised" yet. But if u wanna play sub in m+ and assa in raid. Necrolord also works

[limber lion]

Ehh

[rustic whale]

actually i m 226ilvl ep/vig gives better result rn on sims also rotation is so fluid

[limber lion]

I mean, yeah sure

Sub just feels kind of awful with SBS

[burnt star]

Sub sim shows necrolord higher then venthyr in d.slice

Yaaa probly

[limber lion]

Really?

On what fight type and length?

[rustic whale]

5min

[spice spire]

DSlice isn’t pure cleave

[kind quiver]

I’m sticking with Venthyr unless my guild gets really serious about mythic this patch, then I’ll min/max myself.

[limber lion]

Don't think I've seen anyone who sims EP/Vig higher than BS/DS on 5min pw

[kind quiver]

I just love the armor. lol

[rustic whale]

50dps higher than bs/ds

without wf totem sim

[thorny pond]

link?

[ornate lake]

Stacking haste?

[rustic whale]

idk i have %29 haste and %27.30 crit unbuffed

[thorny pond]

link your sims

[rustic whale]

let me look

[alpine latch]

Damn, #4 on the list of things about the dagger (in pins) SUCKS

[distant cypress]

that 4th thing is ccancer

[scenic meteor]

Ouch, our guild has two sin rogues

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's fucking awful

[distant cypress]

cancer* who tf thought its a good idea

[thorny pond]

1 rogue per raid it is

[alpine latch]

We have an outlaw that'll more than likely us the dagger in their OH

[naive cypress]

Might be an overlook from the devs tho?

[thorny pond]

bug probably

[naive cypress]

Might get patched

[limber lion]

Nah, it's definitely bugged.

[spice spire]

It’s def a bug

[stiff thicket]

It might be patched in a few weeks

[limber lion]

There's been other things which have been bugged in similar ways before

[alpine latch]

Yeah, but it might nto get patched for 4 months also

[distant cypress]

few weeks pepega

[limber lion]

I can almost assure you that it'll be fixed before heroic week.

[naive cypress]

My raid only has one rogue 😄 So im safe either way

[tacit wedge]

laugh in only rogue of the roster

[limber lion]

They have the technology.

Surely.

[alpine latch]

Wanna bet 10g on that?

[distant cypress]

betting 10g too

[scenic meteor]

The other rogue in my team is the officer I’m out lol

[limber lion]

Don't think I can afford that.

[naive cypress]

Cries in scrapping legendaries for soul ash

[alpine latch]

haha

Well, to pay each other, we have to create characters on UE/NA to pay it off

[naive cypress]

Thats some monkaS shit

[alpine latch]

Can't make it too high

[naive cypress]

"Let me attack first"

[mighty owl]

It took them 6 months to fix enh’s auto attack bug, might not be so simple

[stark anchor]

inb4 chinese guilds start going with 10 rogues and have 1 guy hit boss first to giga pump their logs with 20 PIs as well

[alpine latch]

roflmao

"How the fuck did this dude do 67k DPS?"

[sacred isle]

Imagine doing 20 pulls on a boss, leaving instance, other rogue joins next raid. Debuff still there 🤣

[alpine latch]

Sjele did something like 19k DPS on one of the fights. Sure, he got 12 PIs, but who's counting?

[naive cypress]

I was hyped for some EP Vig sims

Where they at D:

[stark anchor]

👉 🗑️

[alpine latch]

I'm taking my Alliance rogue Venthyr. It's mostly a mount farmer anyway

And I don't have any Venthyr

[limber lion]

Gladly the bosses actually properly reset, so that shouldn't happen.

But yeah, would be awful.

There were similar issues with Exploit Weakness in the past, but it got fixed pretty quick.

[rustic whale]

they are same on sims by .10 margin

[limber lion]

They'll fix it pretty soon-ish, no doubt in my mind.

[sturdy scarab]

for raid in 9.1 sin will be the way ?

[dawn pike]

so we're using exanguinate now ?

[limber lion]

Probably yeah, Sub is looking great as well.

[limber lion]

What?

No.

[naive cypress]

That was a typo

[dawn pike]

in the pins

[limber lion]

[naive cypress]

In the screenshot

[spice spire]

[rustic whale]

is it safe to link sims here?

[naive cypress]

I thought whispyr fixed it?

Yes

[limber lion]

Where does it say

[spice spire]

Yea

[limber lion]

that we use exsanguinate

[naive cypress]

It said on the sims earlier today

[rustic whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jS64tKH7WbsZDKdnbykSo6 ep/vig

[dawn pike]

look in pins in talents

[rustic whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/psFgzJxxaXwRfs6MH9rWLo bs /ds

[sturdy scarab]

and is it much different from items/stats perspective from outlaw ? (Sin)

[dawn pike]

yea outlaw is haste/vers

[limber lion]

I'm not seeing it

[limber lion]

??

[rustic whale]

when i was vent ep/vig was higher

[limber lion]

BS/DS is 16 dps higher

[sturdy scarab]

and sin ?

[limber lion]

You said it was the other way around

lol

[spice spire]

16 dps gain on bsds is normal

[dawn pike]

i forgot crit/haste i think

[rustic whale]

yeah my mistake vice versa thought

[limber lion]

Welp

[rustic whale]

but still i m thinking other things around

never got a chance to do raid with WF totem tho

[dawn pike]

oh thank god

[strange python]

Picture quality on the new sims dropping on mobile when I zoom in :(

[limber lion]

Open the original source and it works fine.

[vital tapir]

what.

[tacit wedge]

Did Infexious dropped a new vid?

[thorny pond]

oh dear

[limber lion]

Hope not.

[vital tapir]

he did

[tacit wedge]

Because exsanguinate got mentionned

[thorny pond]

fox sake

[vital tapir]

@limber lion don't watch it.

[iron orchid]

5 hrs ago

he actually did

[vital tapir]

yep.

[spice spire]

Deï resurrected

[forest vigil]

Am confused, do we dislike infexious or what's the dealio

[tacit wedge]

The day was bad, but now that our LORD and SAVIOUR Infexious posted a new gem, it's a wonderful day

[dawn pike]

someone said it was a typo

[forest vigil]

There's some lore missing I don't get then

[limber lion]

He's consistently wrong about the information he provides.

[drifting cloud]

I dunno how do you feel about mediocre players that spread random things as fact for content?

[forest vigil]

Ahh i see.

[vital tapir]

ye, think whispyr mentioned it

[limber lion]

And then we have to deal with him saying dumb stuff in here.

[vital tapir]

ye

[forest vigil]

Ahh...

[vital tapir]

also he steals all the sims from here

kinda cringe he can't do his own

[naive cypress]

Ye. he was fixing it on stream

[limber lion]

"Infexious said to spam CT after you have 5 bleeds"

[tacit wedge]

"Infexious said it's good to CT at 3 CP"

[dawn pike]

where can i watch their stream ?

[elfin valley]

Wat

[vital tapir]

type in whispyrtv on twitch

idk if this one's uploaded tho

[elfin valley]

Who @ me o.O

[spice spire]

Whispyrttv

[dawn pike]

ty

[vital tapir]

it's uploaded @dawn pike

[limber lion]

Someone who deleted the message right after.

[vital tapir]

so you can watch the whole thing too

[elfin valley]

Oh ok I was confused lol

[limber lion]

Ripguts, he's the one.

Probably a missclick or typo :)

[torn atlas]

I somehow highlighted you name and sent a ping without realising haha

[elfin valley]

[echo geyser]

why does dashing beecome better over doomblade with kyrian?

also assume mikanos change isnt implemented yet right

[drifting cloud]

dont think so

[analog glade]

How to introduce SBS in a single target rotation ? They are used as combo point generator ?

[naive cypress]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8UmnzFXnMnaj9fHubvs8U6

[thorny pond]

1st gcd then dump during gemstones

[analog glade]

Hmm okay

[tacit wedge]

like you go garrote>sbs>SnD>garrote

[spice spire]

Don’t garrote on opener

[analog glade]

xD

[thorny pond]

no

[tacit wedge]

Oh

[thorny pond]

SBS SnD Mutilate

[limber lion]

Definitely never ever do this.

Thank you.

[tacit wedge]

I'm playing subterfuge, so i was doing garrote in my opener

[rocky pecan]

Kek

[tacit wedge]

glad to learn i'm wrong

[limber lion]

That has to be the worst opener

I've ever seen

[tacit wedge]

thanks for correcting

[limber lion]

I need to screenshot that.

[thorny pond]

He was asking for ST

[naive cypress]

That overwrites your subterfuge garrote?

With regular garrote

Right?

[strange python]

Why would you overwrite your sub garrote

[plain thistle]

that 4th gcd garrote 😂

[tacit wedge]

go ahead

[rocky pecan]

You can open with atzck auto its almost better than gzrrote

[limber lion]

1. Opening with garrote
2. Using sbs as second gcd
3. Using a second garrote
4. Overwriting your subterfuge garrote with a normal ass garrote

What else

That's some next level theorycrafted opener right there

[rocky pecan]

It's the future

[maiden cliff]

@limber lion why isit we dump sbs when we get the buff?

[delicate bone]

damn yall are savage af

[tacit wedge]

wait, i dont overwrite my garrote with a normal one tho

[spice spire]

Provides some pretty thicc damage. Cheap CP builder as well

[limber lion]

If you open with garrote and you garrote again as your 4th gcd

[tacit wedge]

so
sbs>snd>garrote? with subterfuge?

[limber lion]

it overwrites the garrote.

Okay first of all

[thorny pond]

Why are you subterfuge Single target?

[limber lion]

Why are you using Subterfuge

[tacit wedge]

nah, i'll just read again the guide

[limber lion]

Are you still playing 8.3?

[tacit wedge]

i'm just dumb af ok

[naive cypress]

Shrouded Suffocation?

Poggers

[grim jay]

bcs infexious said subter is the way to go for sanctum

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Read the Wowhead guide

It should be decently up to date.

[scenic meteor]

Take master Assassin bro

[tacit wedge]

[distant cypress]

Guys stop bashing him so much, he made a mistake

[scenic meteor]

Lol

[grim jay]

[tacit wedge]

I just play sin so much in m+ i forgot the basic

[safe barn]

Someone should show this to mystler

He was wrong all along

[spice spire]

You guys

[tacit wedge]

I'm not even mad tbh

[distant cypress]

ah ok, l2p then

[winged basin]

Busting his balls

[scenic meteor]

It’s fine bro, single target go sbs, Snd, mutilate, garrotte rupture or something

[winged basin]

Love this discord with my whole heart lmao

[limber lion]

@tacit wedge But yeah, definitely check your talent choices and opener out.

It's no biggie.

[tacit wedge]

Got publicly owned

[limber lion]

You'll get it fixed in 5 minutes.

[safe barn]

The secret is to talk only in off topic so everything passes as a joke

[spice spire]

And then be big boi thicc sim gamer

[tacit wedge]

In a serious note, last time i raided on my sin was 8.3, so ye

[safe barn]

[winged basin]

Makes sense lol

[spice spire]

That explains it

[tacit wedge]

stuck when we had shrouded suffocation

[strange python]

It would be wrong even in 8.3 😂😂

[thorny pond]

As long as you came and learned today

[limber lion]

But that opener would be wrong in 8.3 as well

[distant cypress]

[limber lion]

Using a second garrote after your subterfuge window ends

Is a big no-no

[strange python]

Beat you there @limber lion

[scenic meteor]

Poor guy

[safe barn]

Have you guys ever been bashed by forever? I have

This was nothing compared to it

[strange python]

You want to use garrotte a 2nd time for pandemic in the 1st 3 globals

[safe barn]

Almost cried and asked forgiveness

[spice spire]

Guy bashes are the best though

[scenic meteor]

Was sin good in BFA?

[safe barn]

For raids i think so

[limber lion]

Very much so.

[scenic meteor]

Do you prefer BFA sin to now?

[strange python]

Only spec we played after zul 😂😂

[limber lion]

Personally no.

[grim jay]

@limber lion do we use shiv, and if so, when?

[safe barn]

On cd

[limber lion]

SLAM THAT SHIT.

[scenic meteor]

We do indeed use shiv

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

Any shiv slammers?

[tacit wedge]

where shiv slammers

[analog glade]

Hmm

[vital tapir]

[grim jay]

I wonder, if we sometimes ask it for trolls sake, does it make you feel better to answer that one or if someone honestly asks that question?

😄

[analog glade]

And introducing it before 9.1, the idea of using it to generate combo points is crap? ( SBS )

[scenic meteor]

Im guessing there is a weak aura for gemstone procs?

[mellow pier]

@scenic meteor sin with corruption was fun

[tacit wedge]

i dont like SnD :c

[mellow pier]

Rest of BFA no

[limber lion]

http://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

[scenic meteor]

Why thank you

[fallen arch]

Slam as hard and as many times as you can dude

[safe barn]

I hate this time of wow when everything can change

[limber lion]

You mean the ability that we press once in an encounter and never have to look at or press again?

I also hate pickpocket.

[safe barn]

Made the mistake of FOTM on sub in 9.0 and paid the price for it

[strange python]

I hate detection

[grim jay]

except for aoe encounters where we only spam ct if we got our bleeds up

[limber lion]

[grim jay]

no time to refresh with env

[tacit wedge]

Pressing Distract

[odd heath]

Spamming ct

[ornate dawn]

Damn fleet footed

[fallen arch]

Spam CT

[thorny pond]

Spam anything else

[fallen arch]

Spam shiv

[tacit wedge]

Shouldn't you press env every 6sec or so in AoE for the extra poison procs

[inland hull]

Wait, are we supposed to be using pickpocket? This in these "pins"?

[analog glade]

[scenic meteor]

At like 10 targets I get overwhelmed and keep CT up and spam FoK and dump envenoms lol

[thorny pond]

#SlamShiv **

[distant cypress]

Guys guys, whats your Pawn string ?

[tacit wedge]

what's your stat weight homie?

[limber lion]

No.

[limber lion]

Yes and to maintain SnD.

[tacit wedge]

one thing i'm doing well

[distant cypress]

just use cast sequence macro

[tacit wedge]

[ornate dawn]

Ezclap

[tacit wedge]

heard Infexious had a good one

[safe barn]

One shot macro

[ornate dawn]

Macro it to your scroll wheel and just spin that bad boy

[distant cypress]

old dispatch macro

[thorny pond]

/camp is my scrollwheel

[tacit wedge]

since i play with zoldyck (waiting for 9.1 to craft Doomblade), wouldn't it be better to talent subterfuge for raiding tho? Guess i should sim

[thorny pond]

no

[spice spire]

Even before Doomblade we’ve been ma talent gamers

[thorny pond]

MA is the single target talent

[limber lion]

No.

[tacit wedge]

ok

[thorny pond]

subterfuge has small value in that situation

[tacit wedge]

[limber lion]

Subt with Zold is fine on multi-target fights.

But never on st.

[tacit wedge]

ok

see y'all tomorrow for more bad takes

[limber lion]

[tacit wedge]

but ye, need to practice the ST opener

will just do the one on wowhead all over again

[limber lion]

Practice makes poggers.

[tacit wedge]

ye

was my choice to be a main rogue for 9.1 after a mere 2 weeks of playing it

no regret, learning a new class is exciting and always loved sin

[grim jay]

I actually never changed my main

if I felt like I needed some fresh air I played an alt or changed my alt for that matter

[tacit wedge]

After 6 years of prog raid on my warlock

Wanted to see something else

[devout temple]

"Assassination: Has no special secondary stat scaling, stop trying to make it a thing, it will be average in m+ just like it is now."

Is that true

[limber lion]

Yes.

Why would you think it is not?

[devout temple]

Copium

[cerulean nest]

lol

[thorny pond]

Guess as long as it isn't intellect, don't stack that

[tacit wedge]

Things i can do on my rogue :
Kill afks by misdirect+pull boss

Things i cant do on my warlock :
Kill afks by misdirect+pull boss

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

cev was promoted

[gusty mirage]

Big Daddy Cev going to be straight flexin

[limber lion]

[crystal vault]

is there a dmg chart of the sylvanas dagger, wanna see how much in comparison it is

[limber lion]

The Sylvanas dagger is still quite bugged and will probably see tuning.

No sims out yet.

[grim jay]

its broken for now

[dim temple]

So Bonesmith Heirmir is the way to go in 9.1 i guess?

[limber lion]

It is currently and will be in 9.1, yes.

[gusty mirage]

it's doing somewhere between 15-20% of people's damage

[grim jay]

@gusty mirage thats fine. only rogues can use it, right? :^)

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[dense narwhal]

Any m+ sins NOT use marked for death?

[gusty mirage]

only other class that can spend CPs are feral druids 🤷

[dense narwhal]

I don't have a good keybinding spot for it lol

[gusty mirage]

you should use vigor

[dense narwhal]

K good

lol

That's what I've been using.

[tacit wedge]

MFD too janky to use as sin

[gusty mirage]

^

[limber lion]

A lot of us just use Vigor.

MFD is too much work for little reward.

[dense narwhal]

I use mfd when I dabble with outlaw

[frigid kestrel]

HOLY SHIT ITS A GREEN NAME

[limber lion]

We can't have too much apm

[spice spire]

Mfd is pretty good on outlaw

[dense narwhal]

but I really am tired of outlawl

[gusty mirage]

plus we don't get as much out of mfd compared to sub and outlaw w/ their cdr from finishers

[frigid kestrel]

Grats Cev

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

But yeah in cleave/aoe the APM goes through the roof 🙂

No need for energy regen anymore

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion btw that was the best thing I woke up to in a while 🙂

[frigid kestrel]

Also, Cev yall planning on clearing normal for Domination/Shard shit? or are yall going straight to Heroic?

[dense narwhal]

How many of you stick to sin for m+ rather than going outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

if you raided in 9.0 you should be geared enough to jump straight into heroic

[dense narwhal]

I feel I do better with sin in m+, sadly.

maybe because I love it more lol

[limber lion]

<3

[spice spire]

Normal for shards tho

[gusty mirage]

key word is "should"

[limber lion]

We're probably going straight to Heroic, but I'm probably clearing normal as well later.

[spice spire]

Is a legit strat for going into mythic the following week

[gusty mirage]

who knows wtf tuning will bring

[frigid kestrel]

Yes, but it seems you get shards faster from Normal and Domination is > 226 shit

[limber lion]

It's good practice and the dom gear/daggers might be too good to pass up

even from normal

[gusty mirage]

true

[spice spire]

Dagger buffs

[gusty mirage]

I'm not even full 226

DON'T LOOK AT ME

I'M UGLY

[frigid kestrel]

Thats what i was thinking

[gusty mirage]

233 daggers finally in your grasp @limber lion

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

?!

Oh no

[gusty mirage]

Sire's a bitch and wouldn't give our boy his dagger

[limber lion]

Surely getting the weapon on my first kill

[spice spire]

He’s going to get them on the 7th

[limber lion]

Saving up all the weapon rng for 9.1

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Same

[grim jay]

I'll enjoy the monday and tuesday nhc raid groups since we only go hc aswell and I cant make room for playing aside from guildraid until monday. it will be a pain. 😦

[gusty mirage]

I'm hoping you get the mythic sylvie daggers first kill :3

[spice spire]

Double 220 gaming

[solid venture]

I got my first 233 wep in vault after 8 sire kills

[gusty mirage]

Remember when they increased weapon token drops?

Yeah me neither

over 100 raid kills on my rogue, 0 weapon tokens

[limber lion]

That would be sick, but I would honestly like the heroic one more

[grim jay]

well I got the hc token once. pog

[gusty mirage]

not even in LFR

[limber lion]

Especially if I can get it super early

Would be dope

[gusty mirage]

you have the green name rng now

[solid venture]

Still haven't seen a wep token drop in all of the raid

[gusty mirage]

[solid venture]

Only hunter and mage one

[tacit wedge]

I've seen 1 weapon token in my
120 kills
It was lfr

[gusty mirage]

that's because they don't exist, and whoever tells us otherwise is a LIAR

[cerulean nest]

do you guys mind if I grab the daggers on first kill too?

[limber lion]

Pieces are paying people 1m for anyone who trades the dagger

[cerulean nest]

dont mean to impose

[spice spire]

Nah you gotta wait until second

[gusty mirage]

I'm thinking of playing the quittingwow spec until 9.2

thoughts?

[spice spire]

Cev needs all the luck he can get

[limber lion]

Nuu

[spice spire]

Get a better guild

[gusty mirage]

it's not even that

I don't want to play pirate in m 😦

m+*

[spice spire]

Then don’t

Ez

[gusty mirage]

but I don't want to be venthyr

[spice spire]

Then don’t

Ez

[solid venture]

But pirates are s-tier in m+

[gusty mirage]

Necro Sub?

[placid adder]

I’m new to sin and been practicing on a dummy is it ok that I use that macro opener for sin till I get used to opener?

[spice spire]

Go for it

[gusty mirage]

You're better off just learning it the hard way instead of relying on macroing stuff together IMO

it'll feel off for a little bit

but you'll be better off for it in the long run

[limber lion]

Yeah, not recommended honestly.