assassination

[limber lion]

You don't need to have every single thing bound immediately.

[pallid hollow]

Zold's on legs still?

[soft shale]

ye

[limber lion]

Yes.

[pallid hollow]

ty ty

[gaunt dock]

i totally understand, but it would help me with a nice template

[wise fiber]

i do have crit as best stat but its 50/50 on second stats proc right?

[soft shale]

use keys near your movement

like 1 2 3 4 r t f d a z x c

[limber lion]

Well I can tell you that I have everything left from 5tgb bound

You don't want to go too far

[soft shale]

except if you have huge hands like me

[limber lion]

You don't want to venture to the 67890's and yuiop's

[thorny pond]

Most of us also have mmo mice of variants

[soft shale]

where shift k is k

[thorny pond]

Small hands and large hands etc

[cerulean nest]

just as a random example. i have all my builders 1-7, and my spenders shift1-7. then use E R F G T H alone and with shift. and a few Alt- commands as well

[gaunt dock]

the most trouble im having is when i switch to stealth

[thorny pond]

Keep important abilities easily accessible and more niche things at ready to go spots

[limber lion]

I don't use stealth bars whatsoever

So I just have the same binds regardless of stance.

[gaunt dock]

you just have everything laid out?

[balmy condor]

I turned off stealth bars as well

[gaunt dock]

i see

ty guys ❤️ ill try some more now

[limber lion]

Np :)

[civic trellis]

Guys i cant find a way to refresh second CT in 2t cleave scenario (for like 1.5 secs, 1 gcd) spreading all bleeds as soon as i can

i am better delaying rupture a bit so i wont drop ct?

delaying the first rupture on the second target

[nova flax]

doomblade on cloak next patch?

[civic trellis]

i can show a video if that makes things easier

[balmy condor]

Oh no not the html missing image box

It’s stalking me

[delicate bone]

LOL im on my work computer

cant do much about it

sadly

[balmy condor]

[delicate bone]

its pretty annoying lol

[balmy condor]

Oh my god

Lmao

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[tulip nacelle]

is that a 9.1 ring

[soft shale]

[icon] has overtaken even discord

nooooo

[amber mountain]

at the 11th hour... i get a 220 dagger in the vault

[spice spire]

Huge

[pliant grail]

guys dominion sockets on what gear will be on ?

[fading adder]

helm, shoulder, chest, gloves, boots

[pliant grail]

damn crafted doomblade on gloves.....

[nocturne geode]

itll be craftable on cloak after patch

[pliant grail]

❤️ blizzard

[fallen arch]

You can google this stuff too you know

[pliant grail]

or also ask brotherhood right ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah so did a lot of people. That’s why they introduced doomblade on the cloak

[soft shale]

shoulders crafters are free now

[fallen arch]

Sure, but this stuff gets asked multiple times every day

[gusty mirage]

We were always free 🙂

[pliant grail]

Pin it 🙂

[gusty mirage]

It is pinned...

[soft shale]

i still dont have slg shoulders

[fading adder]

what am i supposed to do with a choice like this...

[soft shale]

and killed the boss months ago

actually get weapon

even if you change mh it can go to off hand

[fallen arch]

The guys in here are saints when it comes to patience

[pliant grail]

oh sorry then looked twice and didnt find 🙂 guess i misssed my bad

[gusty mirage]

Hence why: “craft doom/dashing on cloak”

[ashen oriole]

How bad is it to have Dots running out during Shiv? I believe we should not refresh during that so do we refresh before or do we let them fall off during Shiv?

[gusty mirage]

Because of domination sockets, not for shiggles

[thorny pond]

Refresh them

[soft shale]

if you refresh correctly on pandemic that never happens elf

[grim jay]

literally the second pin

[tacit wedge]

then start mentioning infexious...

[balmy condor]

someone said the cursed name

[pliant grail]

it literally say craft it on cloak, but doesint tell on what items dominion are right ?

[teal bloom]

That is a very angry doomblade icon

[frigid kestrel]

Leather wearers have domination gear on

Head
Shoulder
Chest
Hands
Feet

[grim jay]

considering you asked on what pieces those are for crafting a legendary, its the same shit

[thorny pond]

Helm Chest Shoulder are universal

[gusty mirage]

How dare you

[balmy condor]

bro what

[echo geyser]

lacking critical information

[pliant grail]

cheers man got it

[thorny pond]

How many pots did you do today?

[pliant grail]

just move forward

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

@teal bloom

[finite sail]

In regards to WA's - SBS dot has a different spell ID?

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

You probably don’t recognize it, because it sucks balls

So I still love you

[spice spire]

9.0 babies

[teal bloom]

Oh yeah i forget that talent exists but doomblade legendary has the same icon

[spice spire]

Missing the fiesta of 8.3

[teal bloom]

Didnt play in 8.3

[spring root]

should we buy the cloak now from ah or should wait to crafters can do higher ilvl ones?

[gusty mirage]

You have no idea how envious I am of you

[frigid kestrel]

When scaling for haste happens it will be BIS

Please god no one take that serious

[echo geyser]

shrouded suffocation x exsang x galecallers boon

[ocean shadow]

GIMME DA HASTE

[gusty mirage]

Around 250 ilvl right? That’s when assassination’s super secret scaling kicks in?

[grim jay]

did someone say [Scaling, cursed word of the WoW-Community] ?

[teal bloom]

[thorny pond]

love my scales

[tacit wedge]

i miss exsanguinate

[thorny pond]

⚖️

[frigid kestrel]

Just imagine the infinite Haste and Agi scaling. Exsanguinate is gonna truck

[tacit wedge]

so, since i'll hang here a bit more
scaled is cursed word, what else?

[ocean shadow]

Exanguinate + Haste = DOT GO BRRR

[grim jay]

infexious

[limber lion]

Mastery

[frigid kestrel]

"Secondary Stats" is a trigger phrase

[tacit wedge]

wdym, he have excellent take, such as basing his guides on his own stat weight, or even the legendary 33% crit hardcap

[gusty mirage]

“I simmed stat weights and....” is a good one too

[spice spire]

34

[tacit wedge]

s..s...ssim yourself

[grim jay]

@tacit wedge you need to make sure to ask whispyr atleast once when to use shiv

[limber swallow]

"Kyrian"

[gusty mirage]

Did someone say shiv?

[tacit wedge]

exsanguinate op if you have precisly 34% crit 25% haste 30% versa, look at my stat weight

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[frigid kestrel]

Excuse me, thats a Cev question

[gusty mirage]

Slam it

Like the GIF

[grim jay]

it was a whispyr question back when it still was tb 😄

[spice spire]

Shiv slamming

[frigid kestrel]

You forgot to put that its in Infexious guides

[gusty mirage]

Oh “should I pool to get 3 envenoms in the shiv window?”

[teal bloom]

Shiv slamming is my favourite hobby

[grim jay]

@tacit wedge BiS list is a good one aswell

[frigid kestrel]

O Shit

The BIS List

[grim jay]

tldr

infexious has one

[sinful cradle]

Dont forget opening with ambush

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

“Can I macro ambush/Mutilate?”

[frigid kestrel]

"I just CT spam in M+ like JCP ye?"

[covert stratus]

is zold still worth playing in 9.1 progress?

[tacit wedge]

Hey uuh @balmy condor is that ok if i slightly delay my Shiv by like 45sec? It's just it lines up with a minor 20agi buff

[ocean shadow]

this actually triggered me

[civic trellis]

imo its okay

[tacit wedge]

[civic trellis]

you can line it with bl too

or save it for the next boss

[tacit wedge]

Can i CT at 3 CP? Infexious said it's worth, but i prefer double check

[gusty mirage]

Our lord and savior infexious

[tacit wedge]

[gusty mirage]

He has a super hot take on 9.1 in his guide so far: EP/Subterfuge/DS for every fight

[sinful cradle]

[frigid kestrel]

I mean you dont do this on every fight in the game?

Your missing out

[gusty mirage]

Damn you’re right

[spice spire]

You spelled superior wrong

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[frigid kestrel]

Honestly he should be a CF in RH

[gusty mirage]

He used to be iirc

Then he lost his way to clickbait

[limber lion]

He used to be a Shadowblade

Not a measly CF.

[rustic thunder]

Is there any up to date guide on aoe and st rotation, preferably coming from this server?

[gusty mirage]

Yes, @warped temple ‘s. Let me grab you a link

[civic trellis]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[tacit wedge]

I've played so many M+ on my rogue that i forgot what i'm supposed to take for talents in raid

[gusty mirage]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2Db7rkSIiT56b0PXQPjugZATnyx6aDOflx4oZgVwgs/edit?usp=sharing for all your m+ needs @rustic thunder

[rustic thunder]

Thanks a lot king

[limber lion]

2312221

[gusty mirage]

[tacit wedge]

Isn't blindside worth on pure ST?

[spice spire]

An EP/Vigor king

[tacit wedge]

And EP better for cleave?

[limber lion]

It is yes

[gusty mirage]

Yea, but EP/Vigor isn’t too far behind BS/DS

[limber lion]

As Necrolord EP/Vig sims like 10 dps worse than BS/DS

Depends on the profile of course.

[tacit wedge]

If you talent BS, you have to talent DS?

[limber lion]

I just run 2312221 for every boss and slap CT on for the last 2

[limber lion]

Yes

[tacit wedge]

Possible to elaborate? or i can dig a bit the guide to find out?

[fallen arch]

Feels smoothest to me too

[civic trellis]

ct is better at huntsman right

[limber lion]

Vigor = more energy = more combo points = more finishers = more EP uptime

[frigid kestrel]

yes

[limber lion]

DS = less energy/less cp/less finishers
BS = free CP/energy

[tacit wedge]

i c

[limber lion]

They compliment each other quite well.

BS+Vigor is overkill.

And honestly, just sim yourself.

[tacit wedge]

And Marked for Death when i'm comfortable in M+, or comfortable in fights with frequent add spawns

[limber lion]

Vigor for M+

Don't bother with MFD

[pale fossil]

I got a 233 Dreadfire out of my GV this week, and it sims about 5dps worse than IQD. Is that worth the upgrade for the reliability?

[tacit wedge]

okok

[peak haven]

Is sub or assas better for torghast

[limber lion]

Sure is.

[tacit wedge]

Rn i'm playing 2212223 for m+

[limber lion]

Both are really good, preference.

[tacit wedge]

thought i'd swap for MFD once i feel better on the spec

[limber lion]

Good, with Zoldyck?

[tacit wedge]

Yes sir

[limber lion]

Just stick to that.

MfD is too much work for little gain.

[tacit wedge]

MfD is more a outlaw thing?

[limber lion]

Even the highest of the highest r.io sin players don't use mfd in m+

Especially as Necro, it's just mega annoying to use

[limber lion]

Yep

[tacit wedge]

i sometimes swap CT for Poison Bomb

when like, my group is filled with apes who will do big aoe

but will lack on the ST damage

where i know i'll struggle to get my dots out on packs and i'll be there to shine on boss

[limber lion]

Not worth it.

Ever.

[placid pagoda]

Thank fuck I crafted doom on gloves

[limber lion]

No matter if you run with 4 fire mages

Or 0

[limber lion]

We're crafting doomblade on cloak in 9.1

[placid pagoda]

Lol

[limber lion]

Sorry buddy.

[placid pagoda]

I know

Fuck blizz

They better implement a reforge system

[balmy condor]

they won't

[placid pagoda]

Sadge

[tacit wedge]

too much minmaxing? i know CT isn't that much behind on PB, with the upside of being more relient

[placid pagoda]

So much outcry for it tho

[balmy condor]

there's outcry for all sorts of shit

[limber lion]

Even more for the covenant locking

See what happened?

Nothing.

[balmy condor]

but really there's no reason to cry about legendary crafting

[civic trellis]

do you have venthyr vs necro sims in 2t scenario? 😛

[balmy condor]

it's annoying at best

[balmy condor]

no

necro wins

[limber lion]

CT is just too strong not to use.

[civic trellis]

Yeah wanted to know by how much

[limber lion]

PB is so bad.

[pale fossil]

Yeah, I mean Soul Ash becomes infinitely farmable in 9.1 so it's fine, but it's annoying haha

[limber lion]

In 9.0 for me it's 250 dps

It will be more in 9.1

[placid pagoda]

Thank god I got 11k on my main

[limber lion]

Probably.

[balmy condor]

don't see why

[limber lion]

Sbs crit?

Or is Fatal a dank trait

[balmy condor]

fatal pretty good

[limber lion]

Aigh

[tacit wedge]

remove fatal katar, replace it with echoing blade

[balmy condor]

poisoned katar

or hidden blades

idk

[civic trellis]

Of that's a lot

[tacit wedge]

make fok like in bfa

[limber lion]

Skip.

[vestal wren]

are there only 5 items with domination sockets

or are there multiple?

[limber lion]

5, yes

Head, shoulders and chest (the azerite slots) from the raid.

And belt/boots from Korthia iirc

[vestal wren]

yes but are there multiple items per slot

or only 1

[limber lion]

2*

Pretty sure

[grim jay]

for me it was 367 yesterday 😄

[limber lion]

We had only ones to test but actually thinking about it I'm pretty sure there's 2

I remember the Eye and Sylvanas both dropping a chest

[drowsy parcel]

theres 2 of each slot dropping in the raid

except 3 legs because reasons

[green raft]

Late to the party but i got doomblade, should i use haste and crit for missives?

[grim jay]

you shouldnt craft it now

and yes crit haste

[civic trellis]

so 211 dps loss if i play sin and stay necro vs sub venthyr in ST

or huge gain in cleave

what a dilemma 😄

[gusty mirage]

yep

[green raft]

Kewl. Crafting it now, been waiting for a few weeks so im impatient

[gloomy knoll]

wait for next patch to craft it on cloak though

don't craft it now

you will literally have to recraft it next week

@green raft

[green raft]

Mehhhhh

[grim jay]

feel you. tho I will most likely go venthyr considering how sub looks for m+

[granite fjord]

Which would be a better choice? A head piece with a +10 ilvl upgrade or a cloak +7 ilvl but that I believe BIS for assassination?

[pallid hollow]

How does Zold actually work on sims???!

[gloomy knoll]

sim it

[green raft]

Are they taking away the glove option and making all doomblade on hands disapear o.o

[grim jay]

head because you will recraft cloak legendary

[gloomy knoll]

no we're getting domination pieces from the raid though

which shift our legendary slots

so we'll all be recrafting doomblade on cloak

next week

[green raft]

Ah i feel u

[gloomy knoll]

you can craft it now if you want but kind of a waste of soul ash for 1 weeks use of a leggo

[tulip nacelle]

wdym, boss has hp in sims

[granite fjord]

Yeah, that is kind of what I thought, was the new legendary will be cloaks for us

[green raft]

And domination gems are huge deal right

[gloomy knoll]

yep

[green raft]

Ree

[gusty mirage]

huge deal? doesn't seem like it so far, but it'll be free passive damage

[pallid hollow]

Was just wondering how it calculates execute damage if it’s like a set period or if the boss “dies” as it gets towards X point of the sim.

Like 5 min sim. Last 30% of 5 mins it would be effected by Zold or something

[tulip nacelle]

yea pretty much

[pallid hollow]

Ahh fair 🙂

[gloomy knoll]

thdlock was saying it was like 10% in throughput

that's a lot

[tulip nacelle]

you can also sim execute patchwerk for example

[pallid hollow]

Literally never given it thought until I was comparing my characters against each other

[gusty mirage]

that's with the set bonus in raid, right?

[pallid hollow]

And fml my 225 paladin sucks xD

[gloomy knoll]

i'd assume so

[gusty mirage]

because the gems themselves just seem kinda meh otherwise

[gloomy knoll]

the gems themselves are still like 1-3% upgrades

[tulip nacelle]

comparing sims between classes isn't really the best thing

[native parcel]

how du i use shiv on big packs? just use on 1 target and keep rupturing etc. the rest?

[pallid hollow]

Yeah was just bored 🙂

[gusty mirage]

ideally you'd shiv the target that you need dead asap

and just continue spreading bleeds and keeping up CT

[native parcel]

thx again 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[green raft]

Should i CT single target ie bosses with doomblade?

Or is it not worth

[frigid kestrel]

If you have CT

You should always CT outside of shiv windows

[gusty mirage]

if you're specced into CT you should yeah

[green raft]

Word ok thats what i was thinking

[frigid kestrel]

Regardless of if you do or don’t have Doomblade as a Lego

[green raft]

Just now getting into CT because of Ravenholdt. Thanks yall

[frigid kestrel]

Anytime bud

@gusty mirage we are fucking doing it. We Cev/Whispyr tag teaming

[indigo mulch]

Kekw

Oohhh i cant wsiy for 9.1

Wait*

[gusty mirage]

Cev's literally a machine though idk if we can beat him and Whispyr never sleeps

[indigo mulch]

Wow is so damn boring now thst we have a date for 9.1.

[frigid kestrel]

We have to enjoy the little moments

[gusty mirage]

bro it's been boring for like 2 months now

[indigo mulch]

Ive got someone who can help ypu with thst problem!

[gusty mirage]

Just the two of us

[indigo mulch]

Crystal meth!

[gusty mirage]

[winged basin]

Idk about you but outside of logging on for raid, the only thing keeping me playing the game is getting my rogue ready for 9.1 and I’m still bored to death. Mage is 227 and couldn’t get an upgrade outside of the last 2 bosses mythic lmao

shits been boring for prolly 2.5 3 months now

[pallid hollow]

CT > Poison bomb on ST?

[gusty mirage]

no, but a lot of people play CT on sire because of the heavy movement

and it being better in phase 1 and phase 2

[pallid hollow]

Yeah deffo

Still deciding on main for 9.1 xD doing practice raids and m+ on 7 characters to see how I feel lol

[hollow escarp]

that's just cope to pad on P2

[spice spire]

You down sire yet Koj?

Not troll question either

[hollow escarp]

down to 3%

[spice spire]

FFFFGFF

[ashen oriole]

Do we let SnD run out or not even cast it at a certain number of targets? I reckon auto attack is not that sexy and the GCD could be used with a DMG finisher instead?

[hollow river]

Hope everyone’s getting that good good from their vault

[cerulean nest]

that good stygia

[hollow river]

Is this our last vault for this tier?

[spice spire]

Yes and no

[hollow river]

O.o

[spice spire]

Toy get a vault next week with 9.0 stuff

But it’s technically preseason 2

Same with the following week in between raids

[hollow river]

So how many vaults of 9.0 gear left?

[spice spire]

2

[civic trellis]

i will go to 9.1 with 226 weapons smh

[hollow river]

Nice watch me finally get a 226 dagger or phial lmao just to regrind for them again

[spice spire]

Same

[hollow river]

I’m running 220 daggies and no phial

[spice spire]

220 daggers and phial

Just got the OH last week

[hollow river]

I just got KSM this past weekend

Gonna grind it ASAP this tier

I want to work my way up to CE

[spice spire]

CE isn’t a goal CBA to spend the time playing wow needed for it plus am bad.
But just progging and downing bosses is always chill

[hollow river]

Idk heroic is boring

[fallen arch]

Wouldn’t say it is boring at start

[hollow river]

I want to be farming mythic raids before next expansion

[fallen arch]

It gets boring when your raids outgears it yes

[hollow river]

I mean at the start sure

[spice spire]

Farm is boring

[pale fossil]

I believe you never want to let SnD drop. It's worth it to spend CPs Envenoming one target in a large pack to keep it up.

[hollow river]

Farm is the best way to get bis gear

Imagine dual wielding mythic sylvanas daggies

[spice spire]

But it’s boring lol

[hollow river]

I don’t think it would be for me

[mellow pier]

Farm is where everyone complains they have to log on to the game

[hollow river]

Your guild wiping on hungering is fcking boring ok

[fallen arch]

If you really want to, you should be able to get there. But I don’t think the commitment required for mythic raiding is for everyone

[hollow river]

After 8 month tier

[pale fossil]

How is farming raid more boring than doing your weekly 14+ keys?

[mellow pier]

U just don’t do a key

[pale fossil]

That's allowed???

[fallen arch]

With a fun raid group it shouldn’t be

[hollow river]

LOL

[mellow pier]

I haven’t in like 4 months lol

[fallen arch]

Take a couple of boosts if you’re that bored

[hollow river]

^

[delicate bone]

i know guilds who 6hr guilds who get CE, doesnt always take a 3 day commitment tbh

[pale fossil]

^that's my guild

We hit CE only raiding Tuesday and Thurday

[fallen arch]

Who daid anything about 3 days?

[mellow pier]

This tier CE was super boosted too

[hollow river]

I’m fine with joining a 6hr guild tbh

[fallen arch]

But you have to do stuff outside of raids

[hollow river]

I’m in a 5 hr guild now

[mellow pier]

No u don’t

[delicate bone]

theres a weird stigma that you have to raid 9hours a week, likely 3 days, for CE

[fallen arch]

You can’t expect to just be able to log for raid and get CE

[spice spire]

It’s not universal, but like I said bad player only did 4-5 hours a week and did 2-3 months of mythic for xymox

[mellow pier]

U don’t have to do anything outside of raids, every guild is desperate for players

Just log on and don’t suck and you’re fine

[fallen arch]

Ye but not suck means you need practice

At least most people do

[spice spire]

Didn’t want to go through council fiesta

[spice spire]

Both are boring IMO. But you can push keys for a weekly chest. Can’t make your guild do higher content than planned.
Edit: designed is a bad word to use

[delicate bone]

just sell runs when you have it on farm, sales are much more enjoyable imo

[grim hornet]

just saw about bron thing, does it makes kyrian compete in st?

[hollow river]

Kyrian already competes for outlaw and sub

[pale fossil]

That's true. Requires the added work of building a Mythic Plus community if your guild isn't interested, though.

That's been my barrier.

[hollow river]

Not sin afaik

[spice spire]

Probably what I’ll do next tier to make farm less boring

[mellow pier]

The barrier is join a new guild, game is so dead everyone is recruiting

[spice spire]

I got promoted to officer and run a tank alt so I’ve been trying to improve that and it’s been pretty positive so far

[pale fossil]

Yeah, but my guild was IRL friends, so I wasn't going to join a new guild. It just dissolved, though, so now I'm on the hunt.

[delicate bone]

i dont think the game is dead at all tbh

[mellow pier]

It’s more dead than in WoD

Trust me lol

[delicate bone]

id say its not as popular, sure

but i wouldnt call it dead

[mellow pier]

They give the illusion now with sharding

[delicate bone]

lol

i dont want conspiracy theories

[grim jay]

it still has a pretty big playerbase. less so at the end of a patch.
the time around the launch of new world will be kinda interesting, but prolly mostly temporary since they are mechanically different games

[spice spire]

Wow has been “dead” for over a decade so I’ve a lot of doubt

[vestal wren]

wow is a great game

and its a terrible game at the same time

[soft shale]

you just cant play wow all the time unless you gain moneys from it

and then it also can become a chore

[pale fossil]

I'm having a blast with it, but it's my first expac so maybe the gameplay loop just hasn't gotten boring to me yet.

And yeah, there are a fair bit of grating chores.

[vestal wren]

i think your enviroment decides a lot

if you enjoy your raid and m+ group you have a blast even if the content is not the most exciting one

and the chores are for many players something to chill

[indigo mulch]

I mean wow is only fun if you have fun people to play it with, but its the same with all form of MMO's.

[pale fossil]

Yeah, I'm wondering if that'll hold true next expac. My guild this patch was IRL friends, and I haven't really enjoyed random communities I've joined for RBGs or M+ or whatever, so we'll see if I can replicate that.

[vestal wren]

"auto pilot" content, turn on some chill music and do something trivial for half a hour or more

[pale fossil]

There's some stuff about random WoW groups I don't love and I'm curious if it's a real culture issue or just some bad anecdotes.

[vestal wren]

there are a lot of things to hate about the game

reality the biggest issue the game has atm is the content pacing

having 8 months for one patch cycle is just way to long

[indigo mulch]

I think the main issue with wow is how disconnected they are with the community.

[pale fossil]

Definitely agree, but that becomes even more of a drag when you're in an environment where all anyone wants to do is complain about that fact.

[vestal wren]

i can't predict the future but they might manage to come back and cut it down to 4 months

i hope at least

[quaint carbon]

if you got 2mythic kill and 3 heroic kill, can you get mythic loot vault or it'll be only heroic in the 3/3 ?

[fallen arch]

Heroic

[delicate bone]

yea i agree, the patch cycle is WAY too long lately.. i thought 8.3 was bad until we got 9.0 lol

[quaint carbon]

ah okay fuck

[fallen arch]

Agree

[vestal wren]

but tbh

9.0.5 is over, lets get hyped about 9.1 and future content

[pale fossil]

I'm also not a particularly sensitive person, but I've noticed a ton of casual sexism/racism in random groups and political stuff. May have just been unlucky with random groups, though, and that's most online games to some degree.

[vestal wren]

i also want to make a petition to create a fun patch before 10.0

with the patch number 9.6

[scenic meteor]

You would think blizzard do something to address the recrsfting leggos because of domination sockets right?

[fallen arch]

Think you have been unlucky in that regard

[pale fossil]

That's good to hear.

[fallen arch]

It’s another built in time gate

[scenic meteor]

Seems stupid they are making us recraft our leggos and not letting us refund soul ash atleast

[fallen arch]

US server?

[pale fossil]

Yeah, Thrall to be specific.

[fallen arch]

Maybe EU is different then

[sharp panther]

turn off trade chat

[pale fossil]

I'm talking about in voice chat when I've joined raid or RBG groups.

Every game has a trade chat-type thing that's a cesspool lmfao

[sharp panther]

yeah the bigger servers just have a faster moving, spammy trade chat

[fallen arch]

Well, racism, sexism and political division in the US isn’t a WoW problem

[pale fossil]

True, but I'm not sure why they need to permeate to ten randoms that don't know each other playing an RBG haha.

[sharp panther]

yeah not specific to thrall either esp if youre doing pug raids and rbgs

[pale fossil]

But yeah, hopefully I was just unlucky. Either way I'm sure I can find a guild that doesn't have that, just something I've noticed in my little time playing this game.

[sharp panther]

oh man it was your guild?

yes def try to find another one lol

[pale fossil]

Nah, it wasn't my guild. It's been a couple guilds that I've joined their raid clears, though.

[mellow pier]

If this is your first expansion by all means it’s fun when u start playing

[fallen arch]

But a fun group of people makes it soo much sweeter

[delicate bone]

my opinion on this is that people who dont enjoy the game anymore try to bring others down who do enjoy it so that they can feel better and justified about themselves not enjoying it. Its just not the "cool" thing to be positive anymore. Negativity sells. Just gotta try to find people/a guild that doesnt have those toxic mindsets and just enjoy the game or play something else that they enjoy

[fallen arch]

That’s true, but you can’t ignore the fact that the game is bleeding players. Don’t get me wrong, I fucking love the game and I want it to be good but some choices Blizzard makes and the speed at which content is made available makes it hard sometimes to keep engaged

[soft shale]

the game has been gaining players for a while actually because of china

but that cant be maintenable of course

[fallen arch]

In regards to positivity, yes surround yourself as much with it as you can. It’s way more enjoyable

[delicate bone]

people always come and go in games like this, the long content droughts arent helping either

but my point is that the game is far from "dead"

[fallen arch]

I hope so

[sonic schooner]

Yea the game evolved with its time. Lot of people now play differents games so can't really compare with back then when wow players were only playing wow 7h a day

[fallen arch]

It has?

[soft shale]

no one knows

but when china has like 30 full servers

when in the past it had 10

[sonic schooner]

Of bots

[soft shale]

unless someone has the biggest botnet ever

those are still subs tho

[delicate bone]

WoW isnt going anywhere

[soft shale]

XD blizzz does not care

[fallen arch]

They pay, so they count

[orchid valley]

wait is sub actually > assa in pure st in 9.1? they forgot zul?

[fallen arch]

We’ll find out soon enough I guess

[tulip nacelle]

on paper yes

[humble ginkgo]

will normal raid be out on the 29th?

or it comes out same time as heroic

and thewn week after that is mythic

[delicate bone]

same time as heroic

ye

[humble ginkgo]

im actually so hyped man

new raid

[delicate bone]

its gonnna be a good time 😄

[humble ginkgo]

im hoping I progress faster than last tier

I got CE in may

but I think blizz is gonna do a super short tier

like 3 months max

and since the last tier was so long I got ce im stressin about not getting CE but I started raiding in febuary so

idk

[fallen arch]

Rip

[humble ginkgo]

just rambling

[sharp panther]

ptr would need to go up next tuesday in that case lol

[fallen arch]

That CE mount is awesome

[humble ginkgo]

would it?

[fallen arch]

Want that

[humble ginkgo]

yea

I mean I plan on being 10/10M

again

[delicate bone]

the sylv one? yea its pretty legit

[fallen arch]

Black Dragonhawk, sign me up

[humble ginkgo]

my guild formed in like january

[delicate bone]

just have to grind and not bank on the tier being a year long like 9.0 lol

get it early

[humble ginkgo]

and they had to reform with new members after council

and now we have a good roster tbh

everyone hyped for next tier

hopefully ppl are consistent and we donth ave to change roster too much

[humble ginkgo]

I can only do so much as a rogue

its really just team based lol

people have to prio doing mechanics

instead of greeding for an extra 200 dps on prog

in rwf ppl werent greeding for a bit more dps

they did mechanics first

and the dps justcame

thats how I see it at least

[delicate bone]

of course, but for mythic the need for dmg and mechanics is pretty equal imo

especially early in a tier

[ancient kraken]

i think ppl just have problems doing both at the same time

[delicate bone]

i mean in rwf the people can do the dmg without thinking about it because theyre that good lol, so they did the dps and mechanics with no issue

[radiant fossil]

Do you think assa can be "competitive" against outlaw for 9.1 in high keys ? Or outlaw will perform better overall

[delicate bone]

what are high keys?

[radiant fossil]

like 22 atm

[balmy condor]

outlaw for sure

[radiant fossil]

i think the real question is "will i struggle as assa to climb rio"

[velvet haven]

Yeah i think in that range u gotta meta slave a little

[radiant fossil]

Ok. Thx guys. I was maybe thinking assa could perform if mobs stay alive longer so bleeds could deal full damage

But yeah, i guess i'll play outlaw

[harsh anchor]

Could probably get to ~20 as sin but pushing past that, pirate

[fiery ore]

where do we want to put zoldyck legendary again boots right?

[velvet haven]

If i understand this right its zoldyk for m+ doomblade for raid?

[balmy condor]

legs

[fiery ore]

kk

[balmy condor]

yes

[fiery ore]

ty

[velvet haven]

Okay, thought so. Been reading conversation the past few days, wanted to make sure that was consensus

[radiant fossil]

Farming 2 sets of weapons to play outlaw in m+ is a pain for me. Especially when i have to play assa for my guild in mythic raid.

[alpine latch]

I'm not excited about re-grinding Poxstorm/Phial 😢

[alpine latch]

You're more than likely going to grab the FW and dagger from raid and that's your Outlaw set.

Unless Poxstorm is better

[odd hazel]

Carpel tunnel spec

[radiant fossil]

@alpine latch still have to loot a good outlaw weapon 😦

[odd hazel]

Just play sin in mythic plus

[delicate bone]

lmao

[alpine latch]

You would use the fist weapon MH and a dagger OH. Besides, Sin can easily handle +20s

[odd hazel]

?

[delicate bone]

just listen to Whispyr tbh @radiant fossil

[radiant fossil]

@odd hazel i could, but i'll probably try to push with my friends and i dont want to be the guy who play a non meta spec when i can play a meta one.

[odd hazel]

Sin can easily do what outlaw can

[delicate bone]

most people telling you to play sin at that level only do it because theyre playing sin and dont want to feel like they should be playing outlaw themselves

[radiant fossil]

But you guys are right, i should play the spec i want.

[odd hazel]

I mean

No sky

Sin can easily perform

People thinking they have to play outlaw is just wrong

[shut flame]

guys, when should I switch to envenom in average pack of 5 mobs? maintaining CT, rupture + garrote on about 3 mobs, then envenom? In other words, at some point in time (mob hp) it should be worthless to put rupture, right?

[balmy condor]

only to maintain snd, or when you got about 10 seconds left on the pack

[radiant fossil]

My friends do 20+ "easily". So for 9.1, we want to try to push a little more. If we cant reach it because we are bad, thats ok. But if we cant because im not playing the right spec to push further, thats a problem.

[odd hazel]

I mean sin can do anything outlaw can

You playing outlaw won’t magically fix that

[shut flame]

+1

[odd hazel]

People think that outlaw is some how gonna make you push further is weird

[delicate bone]

id use outlaw in this case 🙂 but thats just me of course

[radiant fossil]

As same level of skill, maybe outlaw can perform better than sin in high key ?

[tiny dagger]

Venth>Necro for single target in 9.1? Or we looking more Necro?

[odd hazel]

I mean if it’s catered to sure most groups that use meta classes make sure to be able to give that class the most advantage

[radiant fossil]

Like a bad fire mage can outperform a good frost mage just because fire is broken.

[delicate bone]

its just the better m+ spec, theres not much else to say about it

[odd hazel]

I mean yes but thinking that you being outlaw is magically the reason you’re going further is weird

[radiant fossil]

yeah yeah, i was just asking because i didnt read too much about 9.1. So i was wondering about sin for high m+ ^^

[delicate bone]

you can play it forsure

[odd hazel]

It’s good now, it’s good next patch

[delicate bone]

is it the best? no, but an option

[odd hazel]

Play what you want and you can push just as high

[delicate bone]

thats not what was asked, he asked if outlaw performs better overall in m+ and the answer was yes. do with that info what you will 😄

[odd hazel]

I mean, each group is going to change that and have you perform differently

[spice spire]

And that’s correct

[cerulean nest]

so what's everyone's week 1 plans? all of the new systems and armor are still way over my head

[kindred rapids]

not much to do week 1

[delicate bone]

just the new korthia stuff really

[young nacelle]

craft new leggo and vibe until raid opens p much

[cerulean nest]

nice I planned on vibing too

[young nacelle]

ive been debating going necro but like
nah

vampires cool

[cerulean nest]

those bug necro mounts though

[young nacelle]

ye but bears

and bats

[frigid kestrel]

Sin can work, however OL will perform better overall. It also looks as if Sub will also perform as well as if not better then OL in 9.1 as well ( i know you didnt ask for the last part just throwing it out there). All in all no matter what you play out of the three you will be good to push high keys.

[peak bobcat]

Sub could be better than outlaw in m+?

[delicate bone]

the only issue with sub in m+ is either doing good aoe dmg, or good st damage. Not both, like outlaw can do with no issues

[frigid kestrel]

From what i was hearing/seeing they slap in keys in 9.1 with their changes.

[indigo mulch]

Yush, sub seams pretty good. I'm going to stick with assassination since i mainly do raiding anyway :c

[peak bobcat]

I heard sub wasn’t looking too bad for raiding either on ST

[balmy condor]

correct

[odd hazel]

But outlaw meta

[frigid kestrel]

ST damage seems to be comparable with Sin, if not better

[soft shale]

prio damage is not a problem on sub with obedience its only 2% less overall than finality maybe but you slap a target with 60k worth of flag damage more often and storm etc get damage too

@delicate bone

[delicate bone]

yea but sub loses a ton of st when doing aoe

[young nacelle]

outlaw and sub can suck it. doodoo specs

[bleak sky]

oh no

[delicate bone]

this is just giving flashback to 9.0 launch tbh lmao

[shy dust]

I disagree

Sub got massively buffed in ptr

It doesn’t have Akaari carrying it with 60% value

Patch is like a week away

[young nacelle]

yeah i played sub on launch and was miserable until sin was "good again"

i refuse to go back

[delicate bone]

it was strong without akaari

[frigid kestrel]

TBF the ST isnt absolute shit on sub

[delicate bone]

no, its really good

when its funneling

[prime niche]

Anyone know if hemotoxin and wound poison stack? #pvp is silent on this one

[shy dust]

It’s fine if sub can choose to lose overall to funnel latge damage into a single target

Or just spam pure aoe

[soft shale]

yea i wont try to make this sub vs outlaw on the assa channel that is quite cursed

[delicate bone]

i dont understand why people makes these arguments though.. yes its fine, i dont think anyone says it isnt lol

[cerulean nest]

if I do the first back-to-venthyr quest this week, I can pick up the second one whenever I want and finish it right?

[soft shale]

yes

[delicate bone]

all 3 specs are looking to be in a good place with tradeoffs for different reasons across the board

which is fine

[frigid kestrel]

I dont think its a "VS" thing, its people trying to get an understanding on where the three spec fall in a M+ environment, due to a question that was asked.

Not every back and forth is an argument

[soft shale]

what i mean is sub cant only do aoe or funnel you have a cd that gets to like 40 secs cd on packs that does like 60k damage to one target

and gives 30% vers

if that is not st

[delicate bone]

this is becoming a conversations for #subtlety at this point, cba

[scenic osprey]

9.1 mega dungeon hard mode has a separated lockout right ?

[soft shale]

nope its the mythic lockout

the dungeon has no hc mode

[young nacelle]

not yet

[soft shale]

yea when m+ new dungeon comes around they will make it also hc i guess like mechagon

[scenic osprey]

i mean can you do taz in both normal and hard mode in the same week i assume staring week 2 9.1

[soft shale]

no you have to activate hard mode before killing any boss

and to get the neck for hard mode you need to kill first boss

[young nacelle]

i mean you could do it again on a "fresh" lockout but you wont get loot

so technically yes

[odd heath]

Getting an alt to reset instance lockout as party leader should do the trick

[young nacelle]

its still mythic whether or not you do hardmode.

[soft shale]

no what i mean is you need the neck to morph into a guy to activate hard mode and get through the patrols

and to transform into a guy you need to do the quest to get the epic neck

if someone that does not have the epic neck goes through 1 point the mobs go away and you get normal boss

[pale fossil]

That's illegal

[odd heath]

But then. You do the quest with 5 ppl, get an alt to reset the instance and enter as leader, so the first boss is there. The unsaved alt leaves and the fifth person comes back. All the party have the neck, and a "fresh" lockout.

Just lose the first boss loot

On hard mode

[soft shale]

yea that is genius

[wary thicket]

Guys should I go necro on my assassin rogue or stay venthyr?

[sonic schooner]

Pins

[frigid kestrel]

Necro is best all around

[sonic schooner]

🙄

[raven karma]

it s very close

[vestal wren]

both is fine

[frigid kestrel]

Venth comes out slightly better in ST

[shadow tusk]

Necro is by far the most fun to play tho

[wary thicket]

is there a way for me to try necro out without swapping on live?

[vestal wren]

swap on ptr

[frigid kestrel]

PTR maybe

[wary thicket]

Venthyr seems cooler so far, but I've not tried out bone spike before either so I guess I'll give it a try on ptr

[halcyon zealot]

necro is infinitely more interactive and much more satisfying than venth imo, and i’m a venth shill who only swapped necro like 5 days ago

[sonic schooner]

Tfw you sbs env sbs env sbs env

[knotty glade]

i have a question regarding legendaries.

[sonic schooner]

[knotty glade]

I created my legendary in the shoulders(Doomblade) But i keep hearing, that i should make a new one in the cloak, because something about an armor set

is that true ?

[balmy condor]

yes

there's raid gear with sockets that take special gems

and those are worth recrafting

[knotty glade]

So i can hold off, until i get said piece of gear.

I dont have to run and do it, first day

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess

[knotty glade]

cool

[sonic schooner]

Already got my cloak ready for 9.1

[knotty glade]

thanks

[lean thorn]

Why does the game says that I may craft doomblade only in hands and shoulder slots? 🤔

[shadow tusk]

cloak is 9.1

[bleak sky]

9.1 didn't hit yet

[sonic schooner]

the game is a lie 🍰

[lean thorn]

oooh ok thanks

[sullen stag]

outlaw or assasn better for m+

9.1

[bleak sky]

prob outlaw

but who knows

[sullen stag]

tats true

[sonic schooner]

Currently it s outlaw > sub >>>> sin

Apparently

[cerulean nest]

the pre-patch panicky energy in here is great. we got this boys

[amber mountain]

and girls, and non-binary people

😛

[young nacelle]

and everything inbetween

[sonic schooner]

In between non binary

[young nacelle]

[scenic osprey]

dont see a many gals play rogues but yeah

[young nacelle]

am gal rog

and terrible at it LMAO

[spice spire]

You’ll get better with time, we all did

[young nacelle]

ive been this bad for like 8 years

[shut flame]

fan if knives on 4+ targets, sbs > muti otherwise?

[spice spire]

I’ve played for 15 off and on and am still bad, you’ll get there dog

[young nacelle]

its weird bc i have rogue friends and were pretty similar but like, they get more shit off than i do

[spice spire]

Yes. Fan to spread poisons and maintain, but mut to build. And on 3 targets yeah dot them all with sbs

[young nacelle]

but i think mine hit harder so

[spice spire]

If you have logs, there are a ton of helpful people that can review if you have questions!

[young nacelle]

tru

i asked once many moons ago

i also have a shit time trying to pool energy

in that i just dont fucking do that at all lmfao

[spice spire]

I’m pretty sure whispyr/Cev get pm’d nonstop

While it’s a Dps gain to pool around shiv/vanish, it’s not a tremendous one, I’m sure it’s fine!

[echo geyser]

@limber lion how were u able to organize the order of the dots on plater btw?

[shut flame]

im doing only m+, and been told that these logs are pain to look thru

[young nacelle]

yeah when i have like ~4 sec on shiv and im low on energy, i try to pool.
but thats also assuming i have full cp and garrote/rupture arent about to fall off

[spice spire]

They can be, but people still will to help as needed

[pure moth]

More than you think. Hah

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[young nacelle]

i care less when i can line it up with vendetta but when thats on cd, it can be a lil rough

if i can get my 3 envenoms off, i feel good about myself

[pale fossil]

SAME

[young nacelle]

trash rogue gang

[spice spire]

Must be the blue names

[young nacelle]

[vast forum]

don't bully the blue rogues

[young nacelle]

[vast forum]

a time will come when blue rogues dominate the charts

in 12.4 patch or smt

[young nacelle]

LOL

[quaint carbon]

[sweet timber]

The covenant note is so confusing, so what is best? for raid ?

[vast forum]

pure single target it's venthyr, otherwise necro

[forest vigil]

/bully

[sweet timber]

and for raid overall? its vent?

[cerulean nest]

I would assume probably necro. because of the lack of pure ST fights across the whole raid

[young nacelle]

[mossy mulch]

Maybe it will help

[spice spire]

Oh no

Lacking the critical information

[nimble tartan]

🦇

[dawn ivy]

love the smell in the air whenever infexious drops new content

[young nacelle]

im not blue anymore. no more booli

[balmy condor]

where'd it go

[young nacelle]

👀

[cerulean nest]

what's the tldr about why people dont trust him lol

[dawn ivy]

jesus christ i think someone shot that guy

whispyr has a gun

[balmy condor]

he says a ridiculous amount of dumb shit

[cerulean nest]

noted

[young nacelle]

[spice spire]

And spreads general misinfo.
Recommended talents for raid were EP/subterfuge/Deeper Strategem which is pretty ???

[young nacelle]

[spice spire]

Whispyr did say this one was a lot better than most of his past guides, but I’d take it with a large grain of salt

[dawn ivy]

whew lads you dont know the Subt tech

[spice spire]

Lacking the critical information, unlucky

[dawn ivy]

unironic question that i gleaned from that guide, whats this about a necklace from tazavesh

[umbral rapids]

a currently broken neck with high uptime on a main stat proc

[pliant nest]

hey what skill do i usually use out of vanish? ambush?

[umbral rapids]

currently = ptr

[lean coral]

mut

[umbral rapids]

sbs if you're necro no?

[spice spire]

No

[umbral rapids]

oh i thought

[spice spire]

Sbs on opener > during gemstone windows > if you’re about to cap

That’s it

[dawn ivy]

wait hold up he suggests using the frozen wastes trinket from KT this dude REALLY does have secret tech if hes thinking that trinket is BiS

[umbral rapids]

so what i said ?

[spice spire]

Not out of vanish

[umbral rapids]

or you just mut?

hmm

where did i get that

yep here

[spice spire]

From stealth, yeah.

[umbral rapids]

oh i'm sorry

yep my bad

[dawn ivy]

from VANISH you use mut

form opener, you use SBS to get the dot up

[spice spire]

Or env pending CP situation. But yeah.

[umbral rapids]

i read vanish and my brain processed stealth instead

[dawn ivy]

fair

[spice spire]

No problem

[balmy condor]

outlaw brain slowly melting in the heat

[umbral rapids]

man

if it were somebody else i'd tell you to eat shit

but you're too nice

[balmy condor]

tell me to eat shit anyway

makes me feel something

[young nacelle]

eat shit whispyr

[balmy condor]

god yes

[young nacelle]

[umbral rapids]

oh god

[pliant nest]

is it mut-env-mut-env always, regardless of how many cps you get?

[balmy condor]

always finish at max-1

[pliant nest]

i thought so, thanks 😄

[sonic schooner]

Imagine not getting 4cp every mut you do

[prisma carbon]

am i supposed to be dumping all my sbs during gemstone windows?

[spice spire]

Yes

[tired vessel]

what's a gemstone window? xD

[umbral rapids]

Last row bonesmith

[tired vessel]

dope. ty.

[kind quiver]

Use an agility based move!

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=326572/heirmirs-arsenal-marrowed-gemstone

[tired vessel]

now time to make a gemstone WA B)

[limber lion]

Pretty sure it's a mod. I'm not home now, but you can download my profile and yoink the mod.

[limber lion]

I just use http://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

But feel free to make your own if you so desire.

[tired vessel]

yoinking WAs is much easier than making a WA. ty.

[alpine latch]

So are the Runeword Set Bonuses not impacted by gem level in 9.1?

I figured it would be based on the lowest gems item level, but it looks like it's just a flat bonus

[echo geyser]

alright cheers gonna check it out

u really can do anything with plater its crazy

[dawn ivy]

@alpine latch the dom gem set bonuses are flat yeah

[limber lion]

Yep

[grizzled panther]

Is venthyr the go to cov. After the rework for sin? Or it necrolord top regardless?

[soft shale]

venthyr is st necro everything else

[cerulean nest]

any trinkets looking especially juicy?

[limber lion]

[alpine latch]

Who actually works on the SimCraft profiles for us?

I assume it's a team effort

[scenic jetty]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange silo]

quick dumb question as sin i can only use dagger right?

[vestal wren]

mystler usually updates them

[spice spire]

Correct

[strange silo]

alright thanks

[alpine latch]

Oh damn it's just one person?

I've been kicking around the idea of making our WowAnalyzer profiles worth using

I already know how WA works since I did a few bugfixes 5-6 months ago

[limber lion]

Well, it is a group effort for sure. There's quite a few people making it happen.

Koji and Mystler are very heavy into Rogue TC in particular.

Whispyr helps as well

[hollow bolt]

Hi guys sorry im new here somne one have Biss list ? on assa from new raid

with this "new sockets"

[limber lion]

We don't really promote bis lists.

But you want all 5 domination items, the neck from the megadungeon, 2 Sylvanas daggers and legendary on cloak most likely

[hollow bolt]

Becouse now idk if i need recraft hands with doomblade or not

[limber lion]

No

Pins are a great place to start

[hollow bolt]

y thx

[royal lantern]

@limber lion whats the ST difference bettwen doomblade and zoldyck again mate?

rough %?

[kind quiver]

I’m curious about this too.

[vestal wren]

there are iirc some buggy ones

that give to much stats

but i don't think that this is rly relevant

they will get fixed

[limber lion]

Currently I think it's around 3.5% for me.

[cerulean nest]

so if I get a few +14s done during the first couple weeks, and say in the vault the drops I get are both slots that would otherwise be domination sockets, but I havent gotten those to drop yet (or am still in heroic prog etc. and dont expect to get those drops for a little while), is it better to take that high ilvl piece w/o socket, or to focus on lower ilvl pieces to get the full socket set?

[limber lion]

Probably changes a bit in 9.1

[vestal wren]

so you will never rly get to play them

[limber lion]

But who knows in what way.

[cerulean nest]

idk how else to ask this lmao sorry. basically, are full 5-socket domination sets so important that I shouldnt take +14 vault loot in those slots, full stop?

[halcyon zealot]

depends on your raid group id say @cerulean nest if you know your group is gonna get those bosses down and on farm early, it might influence your decision more than if your raid wouldn’t be killing/farming them for a few weeks/months etc

kinda like the whole SLG shoulder argument from this tier.. depends how much access to those bosses/loot you have.. imo

[alpine latch]

Do we know if the daggers stack?

[cerulean nest]

for sure. i expect our group to get AOTC in the first few weeks, then move quickly into mythic with a goal of CE with slightly above average clearing speed

[void vessel]

still zoldryck is the best m+ legendary?

[alpine latch]

We don't know. The necro one might beat it, might not.

[void vessel]

ohh mok

[alpine latch]

If you're not a Necrolord, then it's probably still the best

[cerulean nest]

so I would guess that I'll probably take a piece or two during the first month

[alpine latch]

And if you ARE a Necrolord ,it probably will be pretty close

[void vessel]

then i will wait , i am necro

[alpine latch]

I believe they are still working on the new legendaries, gems, etc. for simc

[cobalt pelican]

ya

even besides bis lists being kinda folly to begin with

especially now anyone even trying is doing no more than making things up based on feels

[frank jetty]

if you are necro and planning to do keys on outlaw too , Deathspike is the way to go i guess

[empty hinge]

folly

as in divers folly

:pausechamp:

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[empty hinge]

📈

[alpine latch]

Woah woah woah, you mean you don't get every item from the Great Vault any time you want them? Rookie..

[hollow river]

Afaik they think Zoldycks will come out on top.

But this may be feel craft idk

[alpine latch]

It will probably be close either way

I doubt you're gimping yourself sticking with Zoldyck whether it's better or not tbh

[hollow river]

Even for outlaw I’ve been hearing greenskin is gonna be the go to

Or sticking with DS/MA

[alpine latch]

It's funny how the target-removal was the nail in the coffin for it

[cobalt pelican]

zoldyck will remain in it's niche of.. well.. what it does

[alpine latch]

I wonder how it will do in terms of PvP, though

[hollow river]

Target removal? On deathspike? Yeah

Maybe when no one plays it they’ll buff it (:

[alpine latch]

I've been farming RBGs for my PvP spider as Sin - I bet Deathspike will be good in PvP

[hollow river]

Let’s all stick together and riot

[alpine latch]

Naw

I'd rather them add new shit than buff something that doesn't need to be

[hollow river]

Mehh

[strange python]

Hey, anybody got any info on domi sockets?
do i have to buy the item for socket at venari before 9.1 or used it just before (on my legendary) i am lost ^^'

[vestal wren]

you want to use them

[strange python]

Ok thanks

[vestal wren]

the sockets are iirc on items

[loud light]

you don't put domination sockets on things, they just drop that way from raid gear

[vestal wren]

^

this also means your legendary slots are limited

[lost mist]

i use this bc i feel good with bars (1 each stack, then a "pinky" reverse bar for the crit buff)

[vestal wren]

so you will want to re-craft legendary powers that are on domination slots

[hollow river]

Apparently they put out a lot of hot fixes today?

[chrome mirage]

Where do you see anything about hotfixes

[soft shale]

if they are not documented just someone stumbles upon them

[hollow river]

Nothing has been documented yet

[odd heath]

the irony... last week

[hollow river]

Lucky

Apparently a good amount of pvp hot fixes

[silver fog]

Always an easier start into 9.1!

[odd hazel]

i'll feel good going into 9.1 222+. means i have to worry about less

[odd heath]

ye, 1 less 233 dagger to loot from HM tavazesh

[spice spire]

You’ll always have to worry when you’re alliance

[hollow escarp]

heretic

night elf is the true alliance race

[odd hazel]

oh yeah, the lame wood warriors

[hollow escarp]

[hollow river]

Not sure what else

[odd hazel]

i mean

still 100% mecha as long as im ally

[balmy condor]

@limber lion you fucking diaper monkey

[spice spire]

I didn’t make fun of the diaper baby for once

[gusty mirage]

how many of these do you have?

[odd hazel]

get gud whispyr, come to the best race

[spice spire]

The vault contains many contextual gems

[gusty mirage]

[silver fog]

i suppose you guys are making jokes I'm too pandaren to understand 😕

[spice spire]

Ur safe, I don’t do dms except for that one

[odd hazel]

pandarens are still better then blood elf

[spice spire]

Pandas are clean

[gusty mirage]

you watch your whore mouth

[spice spire]

[odd hazel]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Cursed

[odd hazel]

might as well just be a void elf :^)

[hollow river]

I’m going b elf tonight

[gusty mirage]

I like an aoe dispel + 15 free energy over playing portal 2 in wow

[hollow river]

Fuck it

[gusty mirage]

superior elf is night elf

not void elf

[odd hazel]

so you're fine with being ugly too

[gusty mirage]

Why yes, yes I am