assassination

[dapper flint]

remember when Ion promised rogue raid utility in 9.1? i do -.-

[limber lion]

He never did.

They talked about rogue needing raid utility

but they never promised it.

[dapper flint]

im pretty sure he did in the interview

[limber lion]

He didn't.

[soft shale]

he did lawyer speak

as in affirmed the problem

and left it there

[tame ravine]

until it's in the patch notes, don't cross your fingers

[limber lion]

He said "I'm aware that rogues are lacking in that department and we're looking for ways to help rogues in that department. Smoke bomb maybe?"

Never said

[dry void]

they already gave it, shiv dispells enrage again/s

[frigid kestrel]

The conversation loss relevance the second you swapped your initial stance to potential. You went from "Sin **Needs **" to "To gain Sins full potential" you need a good coordinated group. And legit two of the best rogues are telling you different (Ryfie and Cev, not me im trash )

[limber lion]

"We're adding smoke bomb"

[bleak sky]

Are you the azralon rogue?

[little sky]

yeah, i'm totally not a world first kind of player XD yet when i think all "issues" could have been solved pretty easiliy, it makes me wonder why the whole system is in place 😛 i mean, covenats are nice, enjoyed all the stories and i like the different miningames. but i'd have separated performance/player power from amenities/cosmetics.

[bleak sky]

Oh that's just blizzard design for you

[little sky]

yeah i know

[gusty mirage]

MeAnInGfUl cHoIcEs

[odd heath]

I am

[deft obsidian]

Pretty sure I never said need but good day sir 🙂

[bleak sky]

Pog, é nois

[odd heath]

[winged basin]

I would’ve liked player power to be separated. I wanted to do necrolord stuff on my mage, just glad I’ll get to fly around on a giant fly on my rogue atleast

Gotta get my stuff ready today so I can go necro

[gloomy fern]

hello is there a bis list

[bleak sky]

[winged basin]

[gloomy fern]

what does that mean

[limber lion]

Infexious has one apparently

[gloomy fern]

will it make me do big dam?

[spice spire]

Don’t make me post the pasta again

[winged basin]

Will it make me do big dam

[gloomy fern]

whats so funny?

[winged basin]

just made me giggle

[spice spire]

Mizu is the bis list

[limber lion]

you'll need more than a bis list for that, son.

[gloomy fern]

hmm

what more

[spice spire]

Isn’t the bis list the friends we made along the way?

[limber lion]

deez nuts

[gloomy fern]

hello admins

[winged basin]

I was gonna say that

but I really had to think about it

my inevitable ban from the server, because I answered deez nuts to a question. That would be about my luck

[spice spire]

Nah, it just goes on your quarterly review

[gloomy fern]

im getting trolled over here

need someone to clean this up

[frigid kestrel]

You guys should have seen the scaling argument last night, it legit hurt my brain

[thorny pond]

You're all alone in here bud

[frigid kestrel]

I thought it was a troll, but dude legit said that Wars and Rogues scale harder with more primary stats then other classes

[soft shale]

what do yoy mean rogue and warrior always scale

right

he was our messiah

[frigid kestrel]

Like we benefit from Agi more then anyone else can.

[bleak sky]

Wait is mizutani not trolling?

[spice spire]

99% sure mizu is trolling

[alpine latch]

For everyone who's asked about PvP lately, Sin does pretty damn decent in RBGs. Grinded out 68.5% of the mount this weekend

[plain thistle]

yes, mage dont scale very well with agi

[gloomy fern]

wdym

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[gloomy fern]

i just want bis gear for dam

[soft shale]

everryone knows strenght enchant in gloves is 100% necessary

so we can lift

[cobalt pelican]

cursed vision of sarjarars

[thorny pond]

there is no bis gear

[cobalt pelican]

wargleafs

sandals and socks

[soft shale]

madness of the batrayer

[spice spire]

Man popped off yesterday in the race and starts trolling spec discords

[gloomy fern]

maybe if i ping whispyr he will compose one for me

[thorny pond]

That's how you get banned sir

[cobalt pelican]

whispyr needs a break from answering to morons in here

[cobalt pelican]

guy seems like he's 1 bad convo away from suplexing every1

[alpine latch]

It never gets old

[frigid kestrel]

No, he doesnt. I love sitting back and reading his frustration

[spice spire]

Really is the evergreen meme

[spice spire]

Yesterday he got close

[frigid kestrel]

Dude he was all Capping

[thorny pond]

Not like you're gonna be top 100 anyways. Just copy Cev and what he has and consider that bis

[gloomy fern]

who is this cev guy i can copy

[cobalt pelican]

is cev the new raz

[winged basin]

nah, that’s my dad, he a patient man, but everyone needs a break

[limber lion]

idk

[cobalt pelican]

hey cev link sim??

[gloomy fern]

ah yesyes, get 2x226 daggers

[spice spire]

Oh no

[soft shale]

second 233 waiting room

oh wait patch is next week

[winged basin]

If I had to answer all of these questions I’d probably mald

[gloomy fern]

im just a lost rogue seeking wisdom

[thorny pond]

There is no wisdom in bis lists

[winged basin]

Like 0 ^

[dapper flint]

i legit dont know what to do with a bis list: like if you get 233 gloves dropped you just 'aw shit i dont know if they are bis or not so i vendor them'?

[thorny pond]

Bis lists are the fortune cookies are class discords

[gloomy fern]

why

[soft shale]

i mean there are bis lists but they would have m+ gamba items

[bleak sky]

YEP

[soft shale]

so why bother

just equip high ilvl

[thorny pond]

bis lists are the buzzfeed articles describing your harry potter house

Sim yourself

that's your bis list

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/zRdKWZXTuu2d6JSFjLWFj

noobs goml

smh

[bleak sky]

Omw to playing anima battery + meat hook trinket from nw

[grim jay]

cev the venthyr sinner

[winged basin]

SHEEEESH

[gloomy fern]

ceverions sim dont look trust worthy

[bleak sky]

Jesus fuck that's a big number

[gloomy fern]

not sure if i should follow

[dapper flint]

like bis list wont make items magically appear in your backpack, and if you get items - you could just sim it

[spice spire]

Unethical, this is going on your quarterly review.

[limber lion]

what do you mean bro?

[winged basin]

And I thought I was happy with my 6.4K at 215 man

[limber lion]

I tried a new trinket here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9gVgvirZnPqKykAaUbBgeA

[gloomy fern]

hmm yes

[winged basin]

WHAT THE FUCK LOL

[limber lion]

are you saying you're not doing 1632215260 dps?

lmao

[tulip nacelle]

[limber lion]

imagine being bad

[gloomy fern]

i only do 1.5 billion

[spice spire]

Of course, the trinket is all I need for dam

[toxic quail]

Speaking of strength enchant on hands, I had a random Rogue straight flaming me in Oribos for having that enchant on.
All I said was “Do you even lift, bro?”

[limber lion]

ah okay, getting there'

[gloomy fern]

but i dont understand all these guys flaming my bis list

[thorny pond]

there is no bis list

[limber lion]

Infexious unironically has one

[soft shale]

yea man tell them you pump iron

[limber lion]

He made a google sheet.

for 9.1

[tulip nacelle]

800k margin seems unreliable

[thorny pond]

If you color coded it I will call the police and have you arrested

[gloomy fern]

has the guild colour made a bis list you say

[toxic quail]

And it’s not the first time. People get so tilted over a strength enchant on rogues. Haha like how does that make someone feel anyway other than giggly?

[cobalt pelican]

they only invest in sub rogues

[soft shale]

i miss the craft enchant so much

i did 200 oils the other day

[gloomy fern]

i hear the sub rogue in colour is very old

[limber lion]

Yeh, bound to have a heart attack at any point

[toxic quail]

I bet that took you like 30 mins Hach. 😂

[thorny pond]

about as long as it takes to perfectly cook a hotpocket

[toxic quail]

Hahaha that’s legit the best comment I’ve seen in so long.

Cause they just never want to cook properly.

[soft shale]

one day i tried to make tamales

and i reconsidered many things

in my life

[white igloo]

Hey All! I'm going to be switching from sub to sin and wanted to know what the go to covenant would be for a mix of raiding/M+/pvp?

[soft shale]

necro for assa

[thorny pond]

Go Nightfae

[soft shale]

does everything

[winged basin]

@limber lion

Get you a random that simps for you amirite

[toxic quail]

Cev is just a god. Simply put.

[winged basin]

I mean, whispyr pming me I’ll do fine was my Twitter header for like 7 months

[limber lion]

[winged basin]

that dood is singlehanded the reason I parsed 99s the last tier of BFA

[soft shale]

i trust in you my man

[thorny pond]

Cev is just ~a~ god. Simply put.

[gloomy fern]

wow this channel rly is a cult

[toxic quail]

Hahahahahaha

[winged basin]

Nah

I’m just a fuckin simp

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[fiery cape]

I just swapped from sub to sin, venthyr to necro. What do folks run for m+? Vigor vs MfD? Poison bomb vs crimson tempest? I still have low haste, since I stacked mastery for sub, so I feel a bit energy starved when it comes to keeping up ct and bleeds, without completely neglecting envenom

[sonic schooner]

almost 9k sim

[limber lion]

Necrolord.
Vigor.
Crimson Tempest. (ALWAYS)

And Zoldyck.

[gusty mirage]

Imagine not simping Cev in 2021. SMH.

[spice spire]

It’s an unethical sim

[thorny pond]

There are no ethics here

[spice spire]

Sir

[gusty mirage]

We’re rogues got damnit not priests

[sonic schooner]

i simp for the chaddest rogue

obvious

[limber lion]

I feel like I should be simping for Mizu, the man did win the most recent event.

[thorny pond]

We have the best TC discord community, feel free to go play a warlock or monk if you want simp

[spice spire]

It’s true mizu actual best rogue in the world rn

[final star]

Mizutani goated

[gusty mirage]

But I don’t have MizuSimp tattooed on my back

[gloomy fern]

[spice spire]

Sir, this is an assassination rogue discord

[gusty mirage]

So I’ll continue on #TeamCev. Sorry Mizu

[distant cypress]

so fae is ded for optimal sin

[spice spire]

Correct. NL/venthyr are the two best

[final star]

Fae was alive?

[spice spire]

Reality is all of them are fine, Kyrian is the worst by a bit but NF is only worse by a little bit

[final star]

I'm on the wrong side of history

[gusty mirage]

They can soulshape into a turtle. It’ll never die

[spice spire]

In 9.0

[final star]

Tbf I started as NF outlaw

The kyrian

[spice spire]

Yikes

[final star]

Then venthyr

Then necro

[distant cypress]

yikes

[gusty mirage]

I started out as venthyr

[final star]

[spice spire]

Same

[final star]

Now necro goated

[bleak sky]

I started as Kyrian outlaw. Felt horrible and deleted the char. Now here we are

[spice spire]

Venthyr > NF > Venthyr > necrolord

[final star]

NF was never goated fax

[native parcel]

Hey do i use Oil or Stones ?

[gusty mirage]

I liked kyrian outlaw, combo point lotto was fun

[thorny pond]

!oil

[final star]

!oils

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[native parcel]

ty

[gusty mirage]

Sharpening stones + agi pot. They’re more consistent

I’ll save you the trouble of simming it

[distant cypress]

damn i was on a break for last 5 months, i have no idea what my character does anymore... oh wait im playing sin, so nothing much

[native parcel]

even more thx 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Good one.

[distant cypress]

whispyr got his own emote

what is this

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

he has many

same as me

[final star]

[tulip nacelle]

[distant cypress]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Hi pupper

[craggy oak]

doing prog on rogue in 9.1 for first time in SL, what will the prog leggo be or is the difference minimal?

probs not CE

[gusty mirage]

Fine crafting doom then

[spice spire]

Pins say Doomblade, gonna think Doomblade; however, with unlimited soul ash you can make whatever r4 as needed

[distant cypress]

god if i remember correctly, i only have zoldyk, and from what ive seen, DB is bis now

[soft shale]

yea just think about wich one to slap with vessel

because they are going to be more than 200k

[copper sun]

Probably not the best idea atm since we will be swapping it to back next patch right?

[distant cypress]

i will have to do torghast

[gusty mirage]

Yeah 9.0.5 made it poggers

[distant cypress]

kill me

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I would probably just hold off at this point. We’re about a week away(?) from 9.1

[craggy oak]

we will be swapping slots?

[copper sun]

30th of June for EU

[gusty mirage]

Or just make a r1 to play around with it if you have the gold to spare

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the new domination sockets will most likely have us crafting it on the cloak

[craggy oak]

rip, ty

[distant cypress]

[copper sun]

im not 100% sure on this but I believe so. Shoulders and Hands will have Domination Sockets next patch

[spice spire]

Correct

[gusty mirage]

It’s because of blizzard’s hard on for borrowed power

[copper sun]

Although Im not sure if the Necro legendary will be more BIS than Doomblade

[final star]

Is farming soul ash for an hour or two

[gusty mirage]

“I know we promised you tier sets but here are sets of domination gems instead”

[soft shale]

actually might as well begin farming the ash now

[final star]

Really that big of a burden

[distant cypress]

too bad Fae legendary is legendary TRASH

[gusty mirage]

Definitely not after the nerf

[soft shale]

you will farm torg anyway until dr

because of sockets

dont worry

dashing is the only leggo that may overtake doomblade right now

[final star]

To be fair

I think the argument

[gusty mirage]

Yeah because I have to actually do torghast now

[final star]

Is about cost

not the soul Ash cost

Cos everyone running around with 10k in their bags like some peasant

[soft shale]

yea well vessel will cost 200k or more when it becomes available

[gusty mirage]

Base item cloaks soared to like January levels

[distant cypress]

torghast

[gusty mirage]

It’s kinda nuts

[final star]

I do torghast every week on at least 3-5 characters

[soft shale]

so $$ to be made

[final star]

It's not hard

[copper sun]

Base item cloak 235 ilvl is 18k atm which isnt too bad tbh

[little sky]

it's not hard, it's boring as hell

[bleak sky]

Did you plebs not buy out the market when the patch date was released?

[craggy oak]

time investment for that sucks though

[final star]

It's not boring, it's fast as fuck

[soft shale]

yea well dont worry depending on server it will be more than 75k

[final star]

20mins a wing easy

[gusty mirage]

Not about difficulty, going to work every morning isn’t hard either. But it doesn’t make me want to go

[raven jolt]

You can directly craft lvl5 or 6? Or not?

[distant cypress]

im not even subbed yet, was on a break last 5 months, because there was literally nothing to do

[soft shale]

i already bough all cloaks on draenor below 25k

[raven jolt]

So if you can skip lvl1-4, why bothering crafting them.

[soft shale]

you cant

[bleak sky]

Swooped the azralon market, bought all the 235 cloaks for 7.5k

[soft shale]

vessel only gives 2 lvls

so unless you want to use more than one that is going to cost 200k or more a pop

you buy r4

[gusty mirage]

Because you need at least a rank 1 to get the 5

[final star]

Make rank 4 and upgrade

[gusty mirage]

At least I believe all you’d need is the soul ash for the other ranks

[final star]

Can't just buy the upgrade

[gusty mirage]

But r4 -> r5 is the safest route

[echo geyser]

what u mean ?

[distant cypress]

i see lego system became more of a cancer than it already was

[gusty mirage]

I think you can skip 2-4 by just having the soul ash available. I’ll check it on ptr today

[final star]

How's it more cancer

Make r4

[bleak sky]

I just want to be able to use 2 leggos man

[final star]

Upgrade it

[drowsy coral]

"I want gear but I don't wanna play for it "

[echo geyser]

u can still craft instant 235 in 9,1 right?

[final star]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[low wedge]

U can do that rn also no?

[echo geyser]

what is this need rank 1 to get 5 then

[bleak sky]

Yup, just needs 5150 soul ash

[echo geyser]

for new slots?

[bleak sky]

You'll need new currency I think

[final star]

Because you cannot buy rank 5/rank 6

You have to own the legendary and upgrade it

[gusty mirage]

You need an existing lego to craft a r5 I believe

[little sky]

i haven't any rank 4 leggo lol

[final star]

Then get one

[gusty mirage]

Can’t just make a r5 out of the blue

[little sky]

stopped at 3 and it was enough

[final star]

[echo geyser]

ah

but u can go from 4 to 5

same thing right

[gusty mirage]

Yea

[echo geyser]

kk

[final star]

Yes

[raven jolt]

https://www.worldofmoudi.com/full-guide-craft-and-upgrade-legendary-gear-in-patch-9-1

[echo geyser]

doomblade cloak isnt out yet right?

[little sky]

rank 6 if you do everuthing i think you can get at 3rd reset or 4th

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to see if you can upgrade a rank 1 to rank 5 on ptr

[bleak sky]

Cloak only on 9.1

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that comes with 9.1

[scenic root]

Rogues be buying up all the cloaks. Doomblade, obedience for sub.

[echo geyser]

i guess i am out late then its prob gonna be expensive af

[scenic root]

My realm, r4 for 5k

[echo geyser]

o wow

[little sky]

tailoring leggos are no expensive at all

[scenic root]

Yeah, cheapo. You could be toxic, but all r4 for cheap now and on 9.1 sell high... Didn't hear that from me though

[echo geyser]

u guys plan on making zoldycks too for raid?

the ones that dont already have it ofc

[gusty mirage]

Bought a 235 cloak for 23k 4 days ago.... it’s 80k now

[final star]

18k on my server

[gusty mirage]

Actually insane lol

[scenic root]

Must be on a low pop server

[final star]

For 235 back

[gusty mirage]

Area 52 US

[echo geyser]

hold my hand while i boot up the game

[scenic root]

Mmhm, that's not a low pop lmao

[gusty mirage]

Just a buncha try hards lmao

And people buying like 10 to try to make a quick buck

[digital pollen]

bought 4 for 7k each 27k now

[slow tulip]

hahaha

[scenic root]

Stormrage was 5k last week, haven't checked in a few days

[echo geyser]

consumables going up a lot too then i guess

[rancid pier]

It’s people playing the market because they know people going to need it

[final star]

The reason tailoring items are so cheap is because of night fae

[delicate bone]

same idea behind scalping, easy way to make money

[scenic root]

Not even, cloth drops for everyone

[final star]

Every mf getting shit loads of cloth from niya

And the majority are NF

As well as mission table giving a metric fuck ton of it

Compared to other items

[scenic root]

Leather needs to have a profession, same as mine and herb. You get a stack of cloth just doing world quests

[echo geyser]

for slots that can be socketed its better to do it now right?

the legos

or is there any point banking stygia

[final star]

Idk how useful stygia gonna be

But I'll hazard

Useless

[tulip nacelle]

yea do it now, we don't know if you can do it in 9.1

[final star]

You can do it in 9.q

[echo geyser]

i heard s2 has diff sockets ?

[final star]

9.1

[tulip nacelle]

stygia will be some catchup alt gear so

[little sky]

have an alt i have only to cap enchanting to powerlevel rank 4 cloak. i have so many mats

[echo geyser]

so got 20k stygia rn

[final star]

There is sockets from torghast

And new currency on Korthia can buy them

And I assume you can still slot lower ilvl gear with Korthia ones

[tulip nacelle]

yes... so stygia would not be used for them

[final star]

Just has a higher ilvl cap

[bleak sky]

No reason to grind venari rep right now

[final star]

Like May be good to get socket for a new r4 lego from venari

But doubt anything else past that

[bleak sky]

Items can have both a Domination socket and regular socket, right?

[final star]

No idea tbh

[soft shale]

cant confirm

new socket shit from ven ari was not available

[gusty mirage]

now's your time to become a multi millionaire in wow

[little sky]

yeah, was kinda planning on that 😛

[spice spire]

The octillionaire grindset

[little sky]

ok, purple shards are like 110g on my server. so it's a 3k investment or less for the last 15 points.

i'll have to spend a lottle more in oribos shards because blizzard, but that's not an awful lot.

but then i'll be done.

[rancid pier]

is grim-Veiled cape the item we need for doom on cloak?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[fallen ginkgo]

What potions are we using? Agility M+ and cleave and Fire for ST?

[gusty mirage]

agi for all for assa

[fallen ginkgo]

thank you sir

[gusty mirage]

np ❤️

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[grim jay]

kinda shocked to see there is no infexious guide in that command

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/not-sure-hmm-thinking-gif-5730421

Not sure if serious?

[grim jay]

[red plaza]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[scenic root]

[little sky]

i am tempted to run CT the entire next tier.

i loved it when corruption was a thing. also scales good with the leggo.

[rustic thunder]

they went for 40k each a couple days ago, bought in

now they are 30k

[gusty mirage]

probably an influx of supply with the announcement

worst case they'll shoot up first week of 9.1

[stark tiger]

I got mine for 6k last thursday

[spice spire]

#assassination message

[gusty mirage]

why must you hurt me like this

MENTALLY ill rogues

smh

[spice spire]

You beat me to it

Fuck

[gusty mirage]

yeah but you got the OG screenshot

so you auto win

[thorn fjord]

Haste crit on boot for Zol?

[spice spire]

Yeah but ur the OG reason, so who is really the winner?

[tulip nacelle]

you want legs

[spice spire]

Really wouldn’t go boots with zold. But stats correct

[gusty mirage]

It wasn't me, it was the rogues before me that roasted his terrible parses

I was just the straw that broke the camel's back

[spice spire]

Ahhh yes of course. All rogues know to flame the mage

[thorny pond]

Must be nice playing blizzards favorite class

[bitter canyon]

^

[echo geyser]

wait a second wasnt it pointless to buy a r4 cloak if u can just get r1 into r5

[soft shale]

well yea if you want to spend 1 mil in vessels

[gusty mirage]

why would you spend 1 mil?

[soft shale]

well not 1 mil

[echo geyser]

what is a vessel

[soft shale]

but at least 200k

[nocturne geode]

how are those daggers off slyvannas?

[gusty mirage]

you know what

let me check

I gotta buy a r1 and copy a character over

[soft shale]

you can upgrade the base with vessels

from r1 to r4 if you want

[echo geyser]

or normal soul ash?

[soft shale]

but they are hard fought

[spice spire]

[soft shale]

you would need a r4 base then

[echo geyser]

sorry i mean to r5

[soft shale]

oh that one is with cinders

you can upgrade 1 and have some left

its 510 cinders per week

r4-5 costs like 3xx

then 5-6 its 16xx

dont remember exact number

[echo geyser]

so why does it cost money for r1 to 5

[soft shale]

there are 2 parts of a legendary

the base and mats

the vessel just does +2 level

to your base

[nocturne geode]

ty

[soft shale]

but you still have to pay ash and cinders if it ends up more than r4

[delicate bone]

3 rogues on our roster and all 3 are different covenants lmfao, gonna be an interesting time

[soft shale]

highlander

[gusty mirage]

this new legendary system in 9.1 sounds dumb

[spice spire]

Pending spec/os all of you could be correct

[soft shale]

when you win remember to make then trade dagger

[delicate bone]

the new legendary systems sounds pretty simple, idk why everyone over complicates things honestly

[gusty mirage]

why tf can't they just keep it the same

[soft shale]

to make you the alpha

[echo geyser]

should i just buy r4s then no point in just r1 s?

[gusty mirage]

get a higher baseitem from crafting + make the r5

[soft shale]

i mean on mythic week you can have 3 rank 5s

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'd just nab the r4 @echo geyser

[soft shale]

or wait a week more to get a r6

[delicate bone]

if they let you use soul ash for r5/6 it would be awful lol

[soft shale]

very important you do the maw shit

else you wont get a r6 on 4th week

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

yea you get cinders for the hunt

and doing other thing but i forgot what it was

[bitter canyon]

@soft shale should we be doing maw stuff right now?

Is Stygia useful in 9.1?

[soft shale]

i mean if you wanna craft leggos sure

although you will drown in stygia

we will need to do a lot of layer 12 for socket upgrades

[mint anvil]

@gusty mirage @limber lion Yo, I'm curious what your UIs look like. mind posting pics?

[gusty mirage]

yeah I got you, let me log in and grab a screenshot really quick for you

I use AtrocityUI for what its worth

[lavish quarry]

how does sin look like for m+ in 9.1?

[mint anvil]

Appreciate it

[royal lantern]

dunno, most people use bad transmogs

[lavish quarry]

funny, you know what I meant 😄

[thorny pond]

Looks good still

We aren’t getting changes so p much the same

[raven quarry]

How are covenants looking in 9.1 for assassination? Rocking venthyr atm but hear necrolord might be good next patch

[thorny pond]

Your ui is as sexy as you are @gusty mirage

Necro is good this patch

Arguably the best

[mint anvil]

Thanks homie

[gusty mirage]

[raven quarry]

Ah okay thx for the advice. Might make the switch for next tier

[thorny pond]

There’s a recent pin from whysp explaining the covenants better

[gusty mirage]

I def recommend atrocityUI even just for the WAs it comes with

the dungeon spell WAs alone make it so good

[thorny pond]

I wish I could do a cleaner Ui. My mongo brain has learned behaviors from when I was in BC

[raven quarry]

Ok thank you ❤️

[bronze fiber]

Do I still craft zold on boots or is that one of those new slots

[clear shadow]

anyone know what piece we recraft doomblade?

[bronze fiber]

That one is cloak in the pins

[clear shadow]

aight cool ty

[limber lion]

You never want to craft Zold on boots

Not in 9.0, 9.0.5 or 9.1

Legs all the way.

[ionic vault]

Hello, I played outlaw for 9.0.0/9.0.5 and considering Sin for 9.1. I was wondering what is the rationale behind crafting Doomblade on cloak? Is it because of the loot available from the new raid? I had it crafted on hands prior to 9.1

[gusty mirage]

hi friend

[delicate bone]

pretty much, eys

yes

[gloomy fern]

no dom sockets

[limber lion]

Most UI's follow the same concept of

• Chat on the bottom left
• Damage meters on the bottom right
• Map/buffs/debuffs on the top right
  -Weak Auras in the middle.

[limber swallow]

what's that 2nd bar under what looks like Afenar's weak auras?

[limber lion]

good evening, homie

[limber lion]

I track Elaborate Planning and Envenom there.

I've modified Afenar's UI a bit

[hazy crater]

Torille

[limber swallow]

ah, makes sense.
other than that, mine looks very similar... to your point about UI similariites.

[cobalt pelican]

real gamers default ui

[limber swallow]

yea, that's clean.

[limber lion]

[limber swallow]

That's fine. I have no problem owning the fact that I'm a filthy casual 😉

[safe rover]

Looking to return for 9.1. Is it best to respec necro now or is there any special catch up for rerollers on patch release?

[quaint carbon]

real gamers hide interface

[limber lion]

Feel free to respec now.

It takes 1-2 days to get Necro up to 31+ for the last soulbind traits,

[cyan kite]

Will normal sockets just be random chance in 9.1 or will there be another item to add them?

[limber lion]

We already have renown catchup in place, but even more so in 9.1

[limber lion]

There will be another item to add them from Korthia, just like 9.0 from Ven'ari

[cobalt pelican]

the sooner you go necro the more likely you are to be able to be venthyr if relevant somewhere early in the tier

[woven ruin]

Can you use weak auras with blizzards default ui?

[limber lion]

Yes

[abstract flicker]

so i am confused a bit. why everyone getting cloak r4 crafted? is it not better to get the mats and that shit u need to upgrade for r5? or we gonna instant swap to r4 cloak doom legendary?

[quick vale]

is venthyr trash now?

[limber lion]

As far as we know you need the rank 4 cloak, which you then upgrade further with Vestiges and Soul Cinders.

[abstract flicker]

oh ok makes sense ty

[safe rover]

i havent done a lot of research but lots of talk about necro being very good

[limber lion]

No it is not.

Venthyr is still the second best choice overall and a lot of people prefer Venthyr to Necrolord.

It's still the better choice for pure st.

[quaint carbon]

time to yonk a R4 cloack then

[safe rover]

R4 cloak because its already known to be bis right?

[limber lion]

Well anything can change.

[mint anvil]

NGL, been renown grinding necro atm and think I'm one of those guys who prefers venth. Doesn't hurt to get necro to 40 tho and get the campaign outa the way

[limber lion]

But currently it is looking like the best choice, yes.

[hazy crater]

You don't really need to craft a r4 now afaik

you just get a r5 or r6 base later

that is if you already have that legendary / dont need it before you can get r5 or r6

[cobalt pelican]

for the 20k gold or whatever it is to buy a cloak right now unless you're dirt poor there's no reason not to have one in your bags

(or multiple, depending)

god knows what the vestiges are going to be price wise/unlock rate wise when the patch actually hits

[quick vale]

I've been Venthyr since the beginning. does swapping allow you to keep your renown if you go back? o.o

[quaint carbon]

yeahh its cheap got myself one too

[odd python]

necro opener for assa

?

[hazy crater]

it was more a comment to cev's

that you need the rank 4

[mint anvil]

Yeh, you keep everything once you swap back. It's just a two week process

[limber lion]

Yes.

[umbral rapids]

yeah you keep it it just takes a week to go back

[quick vale]

Got it, thanks! So much stuff I don't know since I haven't kept up on the min-max details heh

[simple folio]

Hi folks, im looking to maybe swap from WW to Sin in 9.1. For m+ how does Sin Compare to WW and Outlaw? I read Necro is the best covenant, does it make any sense at all to run Venth in m+? Sorry, i know this question has been asked a trillion times by now probably but i couldnt find any info on how it will compare in 9.1 to other specs

[odd python]

look @ pins

[quick vale]

stay WW.

[gusty mirage]

WW and Outlaw are better options for m+

[cobalt pelican]

for 9.1 most of it is just spitballing, but there's nothing that makes sin look particularly like it's getting better since deathspike was already not amazing and got nerfed to the point of unusability

and venthyr sounds pretty bad for keys

[simple folio]

I was aware that Outlaw is better, but how close is it? Is Sin absolutely trash or close behind Outlaw? WW is probably gonna be decent in 9.1 but will fall off the more stats players get

Gotcha thanks

[odd hazel]

you can preform just fine as sin

if people say you cant they are just lieing to you

because meta

[umbral rapids]

i mean depends on the content you're doing

[odd hazel]

nah

[umbral rapids]

chances are it doesn't matter what you play

[odd hazel]

sin does not do badly at all

if you believe that

[quick vale]

everything can do +15s. play what you like, if you care about numbers, you're going to play outlaw or another class 😄

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral rapids]

regardless

[scenic root]

Sin can easily do 20+

[odd hazel]

i dont know why people have this impression sin is bad in M+

[umbral rapids]

if you're not doing omega high keys it probably doesn't matter what spec you're playing

[odd hazel]

but sin can easily do what outlaw can.

outlaw is the better spec yes, but sin is not bad

[limber lion]

Well, we upgrade the base items using Vestiges

[quick vale]

sin is great if you know how to play it.

[umbral rapids]

besides sin vs outlaw, i mean that for pretty much any spec in the game

[limber lion]

There are no rank 5 or rank 6 base items to buy.

[cobalt pelican]

unless it's changed recently they're upgraded at the point of crafting

so having a rank 4 base item doesn't matter too much, besides that you'll use it for the first week/2

[hazy crater]

yeah but the dude was asking about finished rank 4 legendaries

[cobalt pelican]

depending on your lego and how many you're building

[hazy crater]

not base items

[scenic root]

It also depends on your group. You have a WW or a warrior, that outlaw isn't doing anything good for trash. That was my issue other day. Played a key as outlaw and all my cleave dmg was useless, struggled on bosses with less ST dmg.

[limber lion]

ah right yeah true

but you cannot craft a doomblade cloak currently anyways

[spice spire]

Because sin is worse in M+ than outlaw. And it’s not bis, it’s bad

[wind totem]

How far behind is NF for 9.1? Is it a big difference? I want to know if I should switch now or if I can wait a bit. How much will I be hindered?

[cobalt pelican]

realistically it's just going to be like

[limber lion]

It's quite a bit behind, but we don't have all the sims yet.

You can check the pins, they'll be posted there when they are finished

[cobalt pelican]

you craft a r4 doomblade cloak day 1, do hc and don't get shit/have not enough dom sockets to care, then upgrade it anyway

[limber lion]

If you don't have a legendary, there is no reason to craft it on gloves/shoulders

even if you don't get a single dom item.

Even if you want to craft it d1, you should craft it on cloak

regardless.

[cobalt pelican]

ya

it's going to be an inevitable move over anyway, that's why most people just have the ash/item ready

[limber lion]

Ye

I know I'm sitting on my Doomblade gloves for the first week or two

And will create the r5 cloak after heroic tuning, if it remains the dominant choice.

No reason to rush anything tbh

Would suck crafting a r5 Doomblade cloak for Dashing to pull ahead a week later.

[cobalt pelican]

myeh, i doubt it'll be down to any tuning changes at this point, every time i've waited for heroic week tuning there's been either nothing or 1 bugfix, but there's no downside to waiting i guess

[shadow tusk]

SLG Cloak

[limber lion]

Well, more like waiting for sims to catch up as well.

[cobalt pelican]

fair i guess

[limber lion]

We're still missing loads of implementations, so we'll see apl improvements over the first few weeks.

[sour wraith]

it's not like crafting an r5 legendary is going to make or break heroic kills for most guilds anyways

[limber lion]

Some people were theorizing using Dashing with the new dagger, because Dashing = more energy = more combo points = more damage from dagger

And the gap between Dashing/Doomblade with the current apl is like 20 dps, if that.

[limber lion]

Def not, it's more of a thing for high end mythic raiders.

And well, anyone who likes to minmax for whatever reason it may be.

[sour wraith]

for funzies

[cobalt pelican]

i think a lot of guilds did their first hc raid with no legendary on half of their raid

in nathria

so

[limber lion]

ye

[north basin]

lets see last boss tuning. maybe r5 leg will be a hefty blow on its progress curve xD

for a lot of midrange guilds

[limber lion]

Highly doubt that you will even see or feel the difference between a r4 and r5 legendary to be honest.

[north basin]

its like +15 level jump for whole raid. dunno if it counts as +1 for overall itemlevel of char

[cerulean nest]

is tazavesh hardmode a daily lockout?

[limber lion]

Yes, like a regular dungeon.

[mighty owl]

Every envenom will do 10s of more damage 👀

[cerulean nest]

sweet

[limber lion]

Sure. You still probably won't see the difference.

[drowsy parcel]

isnt it a mythic only dungeon? and therefore weekly

[limber lion]

Someone messing up their opener will affect the dps more.

Having a better crit chance will affect the dps more.

Tank moving boss weird will affect the dps more.

Getting mechanics on the big boys will affect the dps more.

Do me a favor and run a heroic with a 235 doomblade and a 225 doomblade

Let me know how it feels

[north basin]

i remember dayriding on hc blackhand back in the foundry first week (mind it was second tier of xpac so we got pervious raid gear. was like 8 hours of intense wipes til kill.

lets see. hope for real hard encounter

[cerulean nest]

thats why i was asking

[drowsy parcel]

im pretty sure its a weekly lockout

[north basin]

so itemlevel may play a role there

[limber lion]

Honestly I didn't even read the entire question because I was distracted

But yes, it's a weekly lockout, mythic only.

[cerulean nest]

ah sick

[limber lion]

Mythic+ coming in 9.2, that's when you can farm it more.

Sorry.

[night cipher]

when is 9.2 ? 2023 ?

[limber lion]

Similar to 8.2 Mechagon

[limber lion]

You tell me.

[gusty mirage]

at this rate? Probably 2025

[night cipher]

xD

[gusty mirage]

1 year per patch

[north basin]

totally agree on most of the things u mentioned which affecting our deeps e.g boss moving crit rating/messing up rotation. but item level is item level, in 1kkk iterations 15itemlevels on guild raid items will have greater chance on boss succesfull kill, well i believe so, like 60% chance vs 61% =) for example

[sonic schooner]

i cant wait the 30

so i ll be able to wait 9.2 in peace

[north basin]

anyway anything we do we dont do for 100% , we just try to increase odds

xD

[sonic schooner]

[limber lion]

Very rarely does it actually come down to the very small things

WIth my guild I remember wiping on Sire at like 5%

Then we had one pull where everyone was alive

and we killed it way easier and earlier

[north basin]

well i mean if its something u can do. just do it. its not nikes commercials btw

[limber lion]

But yes, you do you.

[north basin]

i cant increase my brain usage and neurons do things faster. but i can farm damn tower for leg xD

[limber lion]

I'm just saying, you will most likely not feel the difference and it won't make much of a difference.

[cerulean nest]

so wait, how exactly does that Tazavesh normal to hardmode cheese reset thing work? I'm dumb

[north basin]

btw its first thing iam saying to my mates (u wont notice 1 heroic to mythic item increase, work on your rotation) . but i allow these sayings for myself here

xD

[kind quiver]

Has there been discussion about what domination traits will be best?

[limber lion]

Domination gems?

[kind quiver]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Likely using 3x Unholy, 1x Frost DPS and 1x Blood DPS

[vestal wren]

you can only use each of the traits once if i didn't understand it wrong

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor have you been able to do any work regarding the sockets

[vestal wren]

this means you will always use all 3 dps trais

[limber lion]

Yes fuu.

[vestal wren]

and then just fill the rest with whatever gives the bonus you want

[north basin]

iam waiting for some discovery cheese combination which will make us top charts xD some bonus trait trinket combowombo

zz

[limber lion]

We're probably top tier already.

Sub will likely be the #1 st melee spec.

[devout temple]

im looking at sims, didn't realize that mecha gnomes was such ahead

[limber lion]

But we're chillin' and waiting

[devout temple]

wtf

[north basin]

hope so

[limber lion]

Ye, mechagnomes are busted.

[devout temple]

dude they look so fucking stupid RIP

[limber lion]

don't play em

[crisp steppe]

u need a rotation of toys for mechagnome

[devout temple]

muh 1% more dmg

[limber lion]

So?

[crisp steppe]

kalytha's haunted locket, dark ranger's spare cowl, krastinov's bag of horrors, orb of the sin'dorei, orb of deception(idk which one this goes to), what else do we have

is there nothing like burgy blackheart's handsome hat

[limber lion]

Just use vial of green goo

You can have 100% uptime on it.

[crisp steppe]

deviate fish 😔

[shrewd night]

That 1% of damage can so easily be made up through other means of playing

[crisp steppe]

what

[limber lion]

That's in reference to Drinker.

[devout temple]

probably loses more than 1% in dmg due to depression of looking so dumb

[crisp steppe]

leper gnome rip

[shrewd night]

You know what I said earlier today, cev? It holds true.

[limber lion]

You're absolutely damn right it does.

[gloomy fern]

did u roll it back shien

[shrewd night]

Even flipped it and reversed it

[balmy condor]

[frigid kestrel]

Y’all making me feel bad for rolling Mechagnome

[arctic walrus]

oh?

not implementing a major system a week out, classic

[balmy condor]

I can’t even sim drops from sanctum homie

[arctic walrus]

be better

[shy dust]

Don’t be the path to max dps is a painful one but it is rewarding

[balmy condor]

True

[limber lion]

I would too if I was Alliance ngl

[frigid kestrel]

I re rolled for more then just that silly Combat Analysis. That chest death and the laziness of not having to drop a fire to cook played a part as well

[limber lion]

I mean, I would roll mg

Not feel bad about it.

[sonic schooner]

fk mechagnomes

real homies play vulpera

[limber lion]

Mechagnomes are bangers

[devout temple]

biggest issue is u gotta be alliance , and on my alliance i see half the M+ groups

[polar cape]

Makes faction merge a reality plz

[frigid kestrel]

Dude M+ groups on Ally make me wanna go horde

[devout temple]

i gues not a big deal if you have a dedicated group

[sonic schooner]

just Alliance being a thing make me want to go horde

that s why i ve no char in alliance

[drowsy parcel]

why y'all hating on mechagnomes

[devout temple]

why is there so much fewer m+ groups for ally anyway their population is not that lower

[drowsy parcel]

i wish i was alliance so i could play any kind of gnome

[arctic walrus]

you can't compare total population. just as a quick example if you consider the top 100 world guilds, only 14 are alliance, the population of people willing to commit to high end pushing just tend to be gathered on horde

[devout temple]

so they are all pet battlers or something

[native parcel]

Stats to look out for for m+ are still Crit->Haste=Mastery ?

[gusty mirage]

Crit & Mastery

prio is crit

[native parcel]

Thx 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[frigid kestrel]

Most are just casuals that are ok with just getting AOTC and then quitting until next patch.

[harsh anchor]

IMO, most high end Ally players (at least on Stormrage) are already booked up with their other high end friends doing big keys

[lavish pulsar]

howdy! I remember talk like a month ago about sub potentially being better single target and assassination better 2/3 target cleave, is that looking true?

[pale fossil]

So far, yes. We don't have final sims or anything yet, obviously, but that's the current view.

[lavish pulsar]

Neato, thanks!

[amber mountain]

And 'sin is cooler

😉

[lavish pulsar]

I'm sin now, switching seems v. fun tbqh

because i like both 😎

[cyan kite]

Shame Necro isn't the best for sub

[vestal wren]

you can play venthyr or kyrian on sub 😉

[grim jay]

so venthyr for both ye 😄

[gusty mirage]

#assassination message

[grim jay]

it was a statement and no question tho

but thanks for the effort

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

[amber mountain]

look at you dropping pins on people 😄

[long furnace]

how many mobs there have to be so i can just spam crimson tempest at every 5 cp?

[limber lion]

10000

[plain thistle]

you dont

[long furnace]

really?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[balmy condor]

Seems low

[plain thistle]

yes

[limber lion]

quick maths

[long furnace]

but it looks so cool

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

But it’s a dot

[limber lion]

Sure does, but still not worth spamming it.

[plain thistle]

big damage is cooler, dont spam CT

cooler? is that correct?

[balmy condor]

More coolest

[strange python]

Now that we need to get Doomblade on a cloak, this means leaving our old Doomblade behind having just wasted all that soul ash?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[strange python]

why blizz

[long furnace]

gold sink

[thin path]

yes

[tiny quartz]

u may need it on next patch

[long furnace]

crafters have to eat?

[plain thistle]

yeah, cooler sounds like fridge or something

[tiny quartz]

u never know

[balmy condor]

Because they obviously hate rogues and put the domination sockets onto gear that we specifically need for our legendaries

It’s all a big conspiracy to make rogues lose money on base items so we don’t have consumables

Lowers our dps and makes us look bad

Blizzard is running the biggest slander campaign in history

And you sheeple are blind to it

[tiny quartz]

the prob is not to lose money..who cares about money now days...but the prob are ashes

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Or idk, it’s just how systems work when patches get released and that’s how life works

[vestal wren]

i don't think its rogue specific

[delicate bone]

ily

[vestal wren]

i just think that blizz optimizes the time you need to spend to get better gear

[balmy condor]

Really?

But I play a rogue, and I have to rectify

ALL OF MY ASH

[vestal wren]

and running more torghast because you need to recraft your legendary items means higher engagement staistics

[scenic root]

Idk, the rogue cloak conspiracy is a thing. Sub needs a cloak, sin needs a cloak. All adds up

[balmy condor]

Actually crying irl

[loud light]

people said they wanted tier sets so they needed to bring back the inconvenience of having 5 slots locked down

[fiery cape]

I stopped torghast after getting MA to max level... lol

[balmy condor]

You can’t see my pain through the screen but I’m hurting inside

Because I might have to do 30 minutes of weeklies

[scenic root]

How many cloaks do I need for 9.1 @balmy condor

[spice spire]

7 at least

[limber lion]

One for each back.

[spice spire]

Possibly more

[balmy condor]

Are you crafting every single legendary,

Or what

[long furnace]

in every slot

[vestal wren]

i mean legendary gear could be just upgradable by you know the new soul ash

but we need to farm additional stuff too

[loud light]

who says you can't wrap some extra cloaks around you

[vestal wren]

its just blizz way to create content

making you work more than nessecery for everything

[gusty mirage]

you calling me fat?

[scenic root]

I dropped my /s, my bad. But I need at least two if I want to play sin+sub.

[spice spire]

Just more of u to love papi

[balmy condor]

Craft doom and dashing now you need 3

[scenic root]

Rip forgot dashing

[vestal wren]

i am actually not sure if whispyr is complaining about needing to grind
or making fun of people who disslike the need to refarm stuff

[spice spire]

It’s the latter

[balmy condor]

I only make fun of people who haven’t unlocked the 4th dimension with ptr=1

[thorny pond]

PTR=2 will I do more DPS?

[balmy condor]

Oh shit he’s going deeper

[spice spire]

99.999999999999999999999999999999999% sure.
Every take I’ve ever seen on him is “an MMO is supposed to be a grind”

[balmy condor]

Man knows his whispyr lore hot damn

[scenic root]

So making my doomblade on shoulders wasn't a bad choice. Never got to Mythic SLG, and now it's going on cloak. Lmao

[vestal wren]

i mean there is a argument to be made "but it could be worse"

[spice spire]

Whispyr s*mp #1428 reporting for duty

[vestal wren]

and... it always can be worse

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ohreally-wow-forreal-realization-gif-5742417

[balmy condor]

Yo, new shit ready for this

[winged basin]

just @ me next time

[balmy condor]

Ptr=TRUE

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Somebody stop this man

[thorny pond]

If I never play on live can I just always PTR=On?

[spice spire]

It’s just too easy

[spice spire]

VSO

[thorny pond]

If every class turned on PTR=True then they'd be viable too

[vestal wren]

correct

[scenic root]

PTR=-1 let's go back to BFA?

[gusty mirage]

[winged basin]

[scenic root]

True, tis was a horrible place

[gusty mirage]

Mentally ill rogues as per usual smh @spice spire

[thorny pond]

Mentally Unstable

Unstable Arcanocrystal

[gusty mirage]

COINCIDENCE?

I THINK NOT

[spice spire]

You’re right, damn. :/

[loud light]

mentally ill best kind of ill

[alpine latch]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=185954/passably-forged-credentials?bonus=1542:6808

Hardmode neck reward seems pretty OP for a while

[shy dust]

If the procs happens outside of dungeon probably yeah

Looks v good

[alpine latch]

It does

Only the on-use is locked to Tazavesh

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Definitely good neck

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor can we sim it against a 252 bell?

[loud light]

that is a really long duration buff for being 2 hasted rppm

[balmy condor]

Shame that mega dungeon rewards are all shit unusable garbage

[vestal wren]

hardmode is slightly above normal

[alpine latch]

yeah

Not everyone is a Hall of Fame raider though

For a lot of people, it's strong

[vestal wren]

the mega dungeon is pmuch jut a catch up service

[alpine latch]

I still haven't seen a single pair of leather shoulders drop after 6 weeks in raid and 40 or so m+ runs

[scenic root]

I believe the neck is a 226 ilvl with 213 stats and a proc main stat, a 251ilvl neck is 256 stats.

[cyan kite]

I just wish they had made it m+ right away. Outside of the first clear it is D-E-D content

[balmy condor]

Well it kinda looks like the buff is high uptime it could be actually be good

Even at a lower ilvl

It’s a good amount of main stat

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it won't be something you're wearing deep into Mythic prog, but it'll probably be strong for the first couple of weeks

And it's a quest reward

[gloomy fern]

would u say its BIS

[balmy condor]

Unless you have sims I don’t know about using items that aren’t implemented @vestal wren

[gusty mirage]

you're bis :3

[alpine latch]

It has the potential to be BiS day 1 considering it's a quest reward and no other drop is guaranteed

Never hurts to get just in case

[scenic root]

For a spec that wants haste/mastery, could see it as BiS, but doubt it will get released with those current stats

[loud light]

heavy mastery neck from the tarragrue, after that it's nerzhul with heavy crit neck. KT has a haste neck with boosted ilvl too.

[gloomy fern]

[vestal wren]

there are items in the dungeon that don't have special effects 😉

[balmy condor]

Good thing that’s not what we’re talking about then

[alpine latch]

It's a Hardmode quest reward. It probably won't be changed.

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

The average player can't do hardmode week 1

They'll need several weeks to be able to do hardmode

[balmy condor]

I don’t think player level should matter here

The neck is either good or it’s not

And in the end

We don’t know

:)

[gusty mirage]

would you say that it's not quite implemented yet?

[balmy condor]

perhaps

[gusty mirage]

have you tried it with ptr=true?

[alpine latch]

Maybe we just need to turn it off then on again

And it'll work

[delicate bone]

wait why do you say this? lol

[gloomy fern]

because he failed

[alpine latch]

Because the average player doesn't even get AotC

Or KSM

Only around 30% of players get AotC in WoW

[deep solstice]

the neck had like 50%+ uptime for me on ptr. seems a bit overtuned.

[gusty mirage]

holy shit that's actually nuts

[deep solstice]

ya, there were a few 3-5 min pulls where it broke 70%, as outlaw at least

[thorny pond]

It'll get tuned down

[deep solstice]

kinda has to. With that proc rate it is easily better than the 259 neck

[shy dust]

They could just intend for it to be BiS

Would be cool if they did

[deep solstice]

I dont really like the idea of getting a bis item day 1 of the patch

[amber mountain]

Or it'll be fixed so it only works in the dungeon

[peak bobcat]

Can only get it day 8 of the patch

[deep solstice]

taz not available on patch day?

[alpine latch]

You really hated Legion then, eh?

[peak bobcat]

Nope heroic week

[deep solstice]

I rage quit legion , so ya I hated legion

[alpine latch]

lol

Considering you got your BiS weapons for every spec day 1

You must have hated it

[deep solstice]

I hated the legendary system

weapons didnt drop in legion so the thing I dislike about day 1 leggos didnt apply

[alpine latch]

It had gotten better, but it sucked balls from the jump

The SL version is a lot better IMO

[deep solstice]

ya the SL version is great

[alpine latch]

Not being 100% drop rate did suck, but other than that it was a major improvement.

It really ruined groups there the first week or two

[deep solstice]

the bad part of the legion system was how unbalanced the leggos were and that they were RNG drops

[gloomy fern]

addign it to the bis list

[deep solstice]

Got shoulders in your first 4 leggos? Congrats, you can keep playing the game. Didnt get shoulders? Time to make a new toon.

[delicate bone]

im almost positive most people in this discord do

[alpine latch]

Sure, but we're not the average player

Just because we do stuff doesn't mean that the average person who plays WoW does

[spice spire]

I have one for this

[delicate bone]

does it workout outside of the dungeon? i heard it only works in the dungeon

[deep solstice]

It works outside it on ptr

may be a bug tho

[gloomy fern]

[deep solstice]

The transformation part of it is restricted to the dungeon

[alpine latch]

^

It's only USABLE

Meaning the on use

[delicate bone]

i think were aware of that

[fading mason]

Hey what Covenant will be best for raid 9.1

[delicate bone]

but noone seems sure if the proc is intended to work outside or is a bug

[deep solstice]

The wording on the item does not imply the proc should only work in taz in any way

[thin path]

check pins

[deep solstice]

But, the final step of the quest actually rewards you with a 155 ilvl neck. So seems like it is all working as intended.

[amber mountain]

I think i broke the gif >.<

[alpine latch]

This is why we can't have nice things

[thin path]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-doggy-angry-thinking-gif-18088194

hm gifs still seem to work for me, ah well

[amber mountain]

there we go

[thin path]

eyy there ya go

[vestal wren]

thats actually well made

[amber mountain]

wasn't me 🙂

[gloomy fern]

was me 🙂