assassination

[sonic schooner]

it is an actual question

[limber lion]

Okay

So Doomblade doesn't benefit from multiplr targets at all

[sonic schooner]

idk if doomblade bleed is really that much of a deal

[limber lion]

Doomblade's dot samage compounds

[sonic schooner]

oh

[limber lion]

It is, but the dot doesn't work like normal dots

Doomblade is special

[scenic meteor]

weird question: ive switched to night fae for the week to get some collectables, but im raiding HC sire tonight, what soulbinds, conduits should i go?

[limber lion]

Instead of reapplying the same eot and refreshing the duration, you actually always add extra bleeds on top of previous bleeds.

If you Muti a target 3 times, it has 3 Doomblade bleeds on it, all with their own timers

It works similarly to ignite

[sonic schooner]

ooh

[limber lion]

Niya with WPS

And Burrs

[scenic root]

I'm trying to decide if I want to play sin or sub in m+. If I just play sin, necro is the choice. If I switched to sub for m+, venthyr is better and works for sin in raid... To many options lmao

[sonic schooner]

so on 2 targets i just drop bleeds on the off target and go crazy on the main target, huntsman for exemple

i see i see

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's a tough one. I'm considering trying out sub as well, but I'm waiting for some more sims and whatnot

No need to make hasty decisions when it's still more than a week away

[limber lion]

No

You always keep all bleeds up on both targets - except Doomblade

[plain thistle]

[limber lion]

That means garrote/rupture/ct

At all times.

[plain thistle]

not sure how he got to that conclusion

[limber lion]

[polar cape]

Im prob staying venthyr just to get renown for obedience then pick one from there

[sonic schooner]

yea that what i meant, get bleeds on the doggy and muti envenom huntman

[scenic root]

I tried outlaw again last week and said nope to that. I could get behind sub in m+. Already doing well as sin, so unless the numbers are huge difference no point switching and having to learn new spec

[scenic meteor]

ok wps, and quick decisions?

burrs too

[sonic schooner]

while maintening ct rupt garr on snoopdoggydog

[scenic meteor]

double potency or nah?

[limber lion]

The utility/endurance doesn't matter

[sonic schooner]

hc sire u said benn? 🤔

[limber lion]

It's preference.

[scenic meteor]

yes

[drowsy pier]

haha what didnt you like about outlaw? i love all 3 specs

[scenic meteor]

i know its not much, our guild trying to get it down before 9.1

[drowsy pier]

nice change of pace

[limber lion]

Like I said

Burrs

[scenic meteor]

oh

ok

[limber lion]

Which means no double potency

[scenic meteor]

yeah got it

[limber lion]

:')

[sonic schooner]

that s top 100 hc assa nf rogue

seems like burrs is a no brain

[limber lion]

Yes.

[limber lion]

That's fine.

[sonic schooner]

i miss my fae soulshape 😔

[scenic root]

Maybe it was just the week in m+ and my group comp. Had a warrior and fire mage, so the trash melted and the cleave from outlaw was useless. Switched back to sin for next dungeon and was a breeze cause I brought better ST for bosses.

[scenic meteor]

and sire talents? EP, MA, Vigor, Cheatdeath, PotW, alacrity, CT?

[limber lion]

That's fine, again the utility ones are preference

[scenic meteor]

ok:) time to get sire down 😄

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[sonic schooner]

GL with that !

[limber lion]

[scenic meteor]

do i crimson temptest on the P1 adds?

[limber lion]

Yes

[scenic meteor]

and spam fok?>

[limber lion]

Spam FoK and Envenom on boss

[sonic schooner]

Fok 1 cp 🙏

[scenic meteor]

okay, and P2 keep dots on all adds and remoria and sire

[limber lion]

Yes

Gar and rup on Sire at all times

[scenic meteor]

🙂 exciting fight!

[limber lion]

CT/Rup for the adds

[scenic meteor]

we may have to pug a few dps

[sonic schooner]

it is a good fight to learn how to manage bleeds on 2 bosses + few trashes

i liked practicing sin on it when i let outlaw behind

[scenic meteor]

yeah, very fun and i love CT on single target so p3 shall be fun

if we get there lol

[limber lion]

Yep, it's a doozy

[sonic schooner]

on ST use CT only out of shiv window 🙏

[scenic meteor]

^^

i know 😄

[sonic schooner]

i learned it there

[scenic meteor]

i love crimson tempest tho, wish it was best for ST

[limber lion]

:')

[limber lion]

You're one of few who share that opinion

CT is great fun in aoe, but kinda meh in st

[sonic schooner]

if only it was working for the energy regen 😒

[limber lion]

Would be absolutely busted in aoe

So no-go

:p

[lost mist]

Wish it was baseline :(

[limber lion]

Same.

[lost mist]

Maybe some less dmg bc hit+dot>envenom dmg, but baseline

[humble ginkgo]

if its meh in ST wouldnt it be better to run PB for p3?

if they are on that prog of course

[lost mist]

Is not meh in st

Good dmg and scales doomblade, considering that dena keeps moving from here to there the entire phase which lowers pb dps

[devout temple]

I havn't read much about 9.1, they're really adding yet another system lol?

domination slots whatever

[civic trellis]

@limber lion thanks

[devout temple]

System Lands, I guess

[civic trellis]

actually i forget the poison

[lost mist]

Some "tier" gems, which have bonuses

[civic trellis]

sin doesnt get punished for target switching like outlaw does, right?

[tulip nacelle]

no, tab targetting is a sins best friend

[lost mist]

If u play venthyr>nadjia>dauntless duelist then yes, u get punished from target switching

But u also get a lot of benefits

[devout temple]

Play chad bone spike

[lost mist]

Energy regen, dmg

[humble ginkgo]

you dont get that punished but your dps is way higher if you only stick to sire

outside of both big adds

on outlaw^^

[civic trellis]

Oh right forget venth

[lost mist]

But even if u play dauntless duelist u should swap to multidot, the gain is bigger than the loss

Just dot and get back to your main target

[civic trellis]

Yeah and some mutilates for the poison, i guess

[lost mist]

Otherwise, if u play necro just enjoy your life and get wet with that free dps

On 2+ targets hahah

[civic trellis]

i am necro but thinking to switch to venthyr because sub 😄

[scenic meteor]

damn our raid was cancelled lol rip

RLs computer broke

[humble ginkgo]

R u progging?

if so thats a rip

[devout temple]

so most of u guys going necro for m+ sin?

[bleak sky]

yep

But I think I'm going back to venthyr to play sub/sin

instead of sin/outlaw

[devout temple]

nice i like necro

[gusty mirage]

Necro likes you too, the primus called me and told me that

[devout temple]

lol

[gusty mirage]

[lost mist]

Did he tell it to u too?

[sonic schooner]

Primus 🙏

[devout temple]

and that necrolord transmog, im gonna look like a mage

[gusty mirage]

No he said I should uninstall the game

[devout temple]

It's literally called "rogue necromancer" set

how fitting

[lost mist]

Same here

[tardy basin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[scenic meteor]

we are 9/10 hc and RL cant geta new computer til 9.1 /cry

think i can pug heroic sire lol

[humble ginkgo]

yea ofc you can

what region r u in

on tuesdays on NA theres tons of group that do sire skip

first try

[scenic meteor]

EU alliance tho ;p

[mint anvil]

wdym

[humble ginkgo]

oh

[scenic meteor]

and would they take a 215 sin rogue ;p

[mint anvil]

they legit farm sire hc casually in eu alliance lol

[humble ginkgo]

nvm

[limber lion]

"meh" as in pretty meh to play. Still does decent damage, but it messes up our pooling and there's very little downtime when you add in CT

[limber lion]

Target swapping is encouraged.

[limber lion]

Not just for m+, but for raids and, well, everywhere else.

[tacit knoll]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[humble ginkgo]

oh okay thank you

[solar bramble]

curious question fi anyone tested. . . . does shadowmeld/vanish enable a 2nd set of shard of Cor? (the dmg on a first time you dmg an enemy, since they can drop combat for you. . . would also be interesting if that worked for MM hunter as well)

[humble ginkgo]

yea I also figured that poison bomb would lose value on sire since he moves so much

in p3

[grave bloom]

hello

i'm preparing venth/necro for outlaw/sin swaping for top 100

should i prepare NF as well???

[humble ginkgo]

Necro is the cov if you want to play sin/outlaw

venthyr if you want to play sin/sub

night fae is dog

and boring

[grave bloom]

could sub be used at 9.1?

i think sin is main for raiding

[pale fossil]

Sub will be very solid in 9.1.

[lost mist]

is there any info about that "sylvanas dagger buff"? (was it after the 2nd stat nerf???)

[pale fossil]

It's currently looking like the best pure ST spec as far as sim damage.

[scarlet spade]

Is there any real major differences in terms of dmg between venthy and necro for m+?

for sin

[humble ginkgo]

necro is much better for aoe

[scarlet spade]

I mean yeah thats the general consensus but can you get by as venthy?

[humble ginkgo]

[lost mist]

sbs (hit+dot+conduit) = top 1~2 dmg on m+

flag = top 9999 on m+

nl is a lot better than venthyr in m+ as assa

[scarlet spade]

Yeah was wanting to play both sin/sub in 9.1 trying to weigh the option of swapping from necro to venthy....kind of a lot of working swapping coves.

[cyan dew]

"- Doomblade is looking to be the best legendary for raiding in 9.1. Craft it on a cloak. Dashing might also be good, will have to wait on sims."

I'm trying to craft on the cloack, but Doomblade is for shoulder and hands. O.o

They'll change that?

[scarlet spade]

Yeah

[cyan dew]

Ahh, ty

[scarlet spade]

for 9.1 I think they swapped some slots leggos can be crafted on

I have just been stacking ash the last couple of weeks to get ready for the swaps

[cyan dew]

got it, thanks!

[limber lion]

They added more slots actually.

So you'll have 3 slots to choose from.

But yeh, just wait for 9.1 before doing anything hastily

[wintry spade]

QQ
can you farm soulash indifinitely in 9.1?

[scarlet spade]

I was wondering this as well

[limber lion]

Yes you can.

With reduced rates after the first run.

[wintry spade]

how much reduced? will i get like at least 200 soul ash for a l8 run or like 30?

[limber lion]

Yes, you'll get like 20-30%

We're not 100% sure of the numbers yet

[wintry spade]

that's both great and terrible news

[scarlet spade]

I mean yeah but you will be able to trade it across toons right?

So if you do the L8 across multiple toons that are alts you can just funnel it to your main right?

[wintry spade]

that's also a fair point

[cyan dew]

Will they change the drop locations for potency conduits? Like, now we have to farm Denny for Lashing. They'll keep de drop there?

[wintry spade]

the new raid also drops conduits

[rancid warren]

Venthyr still bis in 9.1 ST?

[scarlet spade]

I think whispyr put a breakdown in the pins

I didnt see it till just now myself

[limber lion]

Yeh, once Whispyr and the TC's are done with all the sims, Whispyr will post the updated information and sims in the pins.

No worries :p

[sonic schooner]

posting in the pins

🙏

[azure drift]

I read in pins doomblade is looking to be best.... but says to craft on cloak. Says it can only go on shoulders or hands, or are they changing that in 9.1?

[south geode]

Uds

Yes

[humble ginkgo]

idk if this is a dumb question

but during gemstone window

do dots crit?

• have a higher chance of critting

or its only abilities

[civic trellis]

Everything i guess, its not like MA

[brisk orchid]

everything, it's a flat crit% increase to your character

As there is no snapshotting anymore it will automatically update for that period of time

[cyan dew]

Guys, if i'm not venthyr, I cant use Lashing Scars, right?

[civic trellis]

😄

[brisk orchid]

you can socket it I think, but you won't benefit anything from it

[cyan dew]

thanks

[civic trellis]

i think it wont even show between your conduits

[wintry spade]

is there any easy catch-up gear mechanic in 9.1?

[sacred isle]

M+ Will drop higher ilvl and New dungeon Will have 226-233 gear.

[cyan dew]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[devout temple]

ya i didn't play my rogue much so gonna need dat' ketchup

[karmic island]

Any predictions on what covenant will be the best one for assassination overall?

[devout temple]

NECRO

[wintry spade]

necro

[brisk orchid]

[devout temple]

Chad Spike

im very interseted in the necro legendary , hope its not nerfed

[gloomy knoll]

it's worse than poop

nerfed

gutted

dead

in the dirt 12 feet deep

[devout temple]

is it true for outlaw, bonespike counts for bladeflurry?

[gloomy knoll]

yes

[devout temple]

damn outlaw always gets the cool stuff

[gloomy knoll]

if you want to play sin / outlaw - necro, if you want to play sin / sub - venth

[gloomy knoll]

like i said the legendary is nerfed and useless

[devout temple]

oh, i thought uwere joking. fuck lol

[gloomy knoll]

no it's legit dead

they nerfed it into the ground

[devout temple]

oh well

[digital zodiac]

is this raid gunna be 'kind' for melee

or still ranged pref

[wintry spade]

ranged 100%

[shy dust]

The boss that’s meant to mimic sludgefist

Is much kinder to melee

Looked better as melee than ranged

[limber lion]

Yeh, the tier is honestly fine for melee

Sylvanas jumping around is a bitch, but it's pretty scripted as well and you'll get thw hang of it quickly

[vestal wren]

its not to bad given she leaves the shadow behind

[limber lion]

I'm not talking about the ability, I'm talking about when he teleports to do something else

[vestal wren]

oh

[shy dust]

The glyph boss

[limber lion]

Like cast the chain spell, or teleport to cast the big dark aoe or teleport towards the tank after that etc

[shy dust]

Looks horrendous for melee

[limber lion]

Fatescribe can die

I agree

[shy dust]

From what I’ve heard since didn’t test it on M

Guy was saying it was worse than Illgynoth

[limber lion]

It's so bad

[digital zodiac]

its more that this tier we had about 8 melee

so while progging sludge mythic it was pretty grim

And few rerolls coming in the guild for 9.1, but seems like so one is rerolling ranged xD

but if stacking melee is okay, then good

[limber lion]

Rarely is progression stale because a comp has "too much melee" tbh

Especially in like wr200+ rated mythic guilds

Usually there's something else, like player skill, tuning, classes, mechanics, tactics, gear etc.

Melee is just a really trendy buzzword nowadays.

[cyan dew]

Guys, it's kinda hard to maintain 3 garrotes at the same time, no? Like you can only wait 2sec at max betwen refreshes, right?

[limber lion]

On single target or?

[cyan dew]

Mult

[limber lion]

Ah i see

Well

Yeah, you really can't

Garrote lasts for 18s and the cd is 6s

18/6=3

[cyan dew]

on a mult target situation, I keep refreshing garrote >> all, right?

then I keep rup on all of them

[limber lion]

Just make sure to use it on cooldown and you're good

Yeh

[cyan dew]

Got it

[limber lion]

And CT

[cyan dew]

yeah

thanks!

[wintry kayak]

is there any way to change slot for crafted legendary in 9.1? or i just dreaming

[vocal karma]

Unfortunately currently its just dreaming

[steel geyser]

Did theotar cheese got fix on live ?

[hazy crater]

Yes

[wintry kayak]

thanks dude =/

[steel geyser]

I was competing in the raidmaster speedrun final, glad to discover it during our run lol

did shriek and altimor with no pot

[hazy crater]

Oof

[plain thistle]

[spice spire]

Unlucky, was fixed a bit ago

[steel geyser]

Last week it was still working tho

Last week the qualifier was on wenesday and this week it was today so 1 week and a half :<

was playing classic full time in between unlucky

[spice spire]

It was fixed in a random hot fix after reset day which was hella fucking weird

But that’s legit unlucky

[steel geyser]

yea

wouldnt change much ofc but still, the only time our guild is public logging

[spice spire]

OOOOOF

[umbral rapids]

:(

which guild if you don't mind me asking?

[steel geyser]

endeavor

we did third

but there is more guild playing so we wil prob lost a spot or two

[mossy python]

Some one get the perfect opening ?

I always hesitate on the order to start a fight

[soft shale]

there is a pin on that

[mossy python]

ok ty didnt see

[soft shale]

dont worry

but you basicalli if necro

sbs/snd/mut

garrote rupture shiv vendetta vanish mut env mut

[raven jolt]

I start with Mut, snd, Mut, garrotte, bonespike, vendetta, rupture, Mut to 5-6 cp, shiv, vanish, Mut, env, mut

[tulip nacelle]

you should sbs first gcd

[shy dust]

yeah if Necro first global is SBS

[humble ginkgo]

sbs snd mut gar rupt shiv vendetta vanish then mut to 5-6 and env

is what I was told to do

[raven jolt]

Not vendetta for the first rupture tick?

[humble ginkgo]

Master Assassin talented

Mutilate
Slice and Dice
Mutilate
Garrote
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[raven jolt]

So u simplify to just lineup vendetta+vanish

[humble ginkgo]

replace first mut with sbs

if you are necro

[neat pulsar]

if sub is going to be very solid in raid, is it going to fall off through 9.1 again ?

[mossy python]

❤️

[humble ginkgo]

what

this is from the guide bro

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/

[mossy python]

yes but thx

[humble ginkgo]

yea no problem bro

[soft shale]

@neat pulsar unless they buff assa again by like 6% sub is best st now although assa is miles ahead on cleave

so just play both

main necro if assa venth if sub

[raven jolt]

... shiv, vanish, env, Mut, env or not?

[humble ginkgo]

lots of 2t - 3t next tier right?

[soft shale]

you dont lose much on each spec strenghts

[humble ginkgo]

feel like assa will just dominate

[neat pulsar]

cool I like all spe 😄

[drowsy coral]

Seems like it yeah

[soft shale]

yea but if you go necro you gain like 200 dps on cleave or so

[drowsy coral]

But not sure if we've seen all MM fights yet

[humble ginkgo]

so yea assa will still just dominate lol

[soft shale]

but if you go necro as sub you lose 600

on st

[humble ginkgo]

what does this even mean

when do you do this

[raven jolt]

Always when vanish is up to to get +50% cc for 2x envenom

[humble ginkgo]

u have vendetta and vanish always lined up

[raven jolt]

Yes

[humble ginkgo]

and it doesnt matter if you have shiv up

you use shiv on cooldown

dont try to line it up

[steel geyser]

it doesn't matter if you get 1 mut 2 envenom or 2 mut 1 envenom I reckon, just line it up with ven and don't refresh bleed during the 3 gcds

[humble ginkgo]

^^

I was told you can literally go an entire shiv window without env

[neat pulsar]

people told me it didn't really matter if you 2 env or 2 mut during shiv

[humble ginkgo]

and it wouldnt matter

just refresh ur dots as they come

[steel geyser]

oh during shiv

[raven jolt]

you can line it up if it is just a few seconds.

[shy dust]

Raid does not look cleave heavy

[steel geyser]

yea it is some mix maxing to do as much envenom as possible it is commonly very overhyped, don't beat you up too much if you rupture during shiv

[shy dust]

as least anywhere as much as CN

[humble ginkgo]

i thought most of the fights were like 2t

mustve thought wrong

[soft shale]

i mean good shit is now you can do m+ as assa is not that behind sub and outlaw on slice

and it has its things

[shy dust]

most of the fights were not 2t

[soft shale]

now that you people are necro

yea i remember going assa thinking he im gonna blast p3 on slg

and then we had 3 frost dks

doing 13k dps

still did better than sub but when you go outside rogue you really feel the power of other classes

good shit my new guild only has 1 dk

[gloomy knoll]

i usually beat dk's in p3

only spec sin can't beat is spriest

or juiced up locks

[soft shale]

wtf you do more than 13k dps

i did like 10

maybe i really im bad

[gloomy knoll]

what you mean 13k dps

[soft shale]

or well skirmishers just get smoked

13k dps last phase

so ct cant tick for shit

[gloomy knoll]

that's literally impossible

are you talking about slg or denny

oh slg

nvm i'm dumb

[drowsy coral]

13k sire p3

[soft shale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xx9cq4jQVKgLAJ1k#fight=20&type=damage-done&phase=5

that is crazy

look at pieces

wtf

but yea on my last guild dks did like the second one

[gloomy knoll]

15k

[soft shale]

only look at last phase tho the other phases are dumb

oh it seems they save a froswyrm fury for last phase

kind of makes sense tbh

wtf it does a lot of damage

[gloomy knoll]

yea that ability is jacked on aoe

[loud light]

the last 30 secs or so of that kill are kind of hilarious

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xx9cq4jQVKgLAJ1k#fight=20&type=damage-done&phase=5&start=6213327&end=6246159

[limber lion]

Only 10.8k on KSP?

Nah but I played Zoldyck instead of Doomblade and we lusted last phase

[soft shale]

yea my best was like 9700 or so even with zold too

and bl

[gloomy knoll]

our slg kills are usually scuffed p3's but

lemme check mine

were you necro cev?

[limber lion]

Ye

[soft shale]

but i do such less overall

well that fight is necro diff

[hollow river]

sims tell me to use double on use

unfort

[limber lion]

if it's a minor loss

then don't

if you don't want

[gloomy knoll]

so this was done, with a cracked screen and the inability to see the color red which led to it basically being impossible to keep up bleeds perfectly

[hollow river]

idk if i understand gear compare very well

[gloomy knoll]

i'm fairly certain i could reach 12-13k

[limber lion]

double on use is not too bad, but I'd take a passive one any day.

[gloomy knoll]

if my screen wasn't fucked

[limber lion]

All I hear are excuses

[gloomy knoll]

bruh

[hollow river]

does gear compare always include your current gear in the sim?

[limber lion]

[gloomy knoll]

do you have any idea how hard it is

to play this game without the color red

[hollow river]

because i don't see it in the iterations list

[gloomy knoll]

DENNY IS ALL GREY ON GREY

i'm fuckin strugglin m8

[limber lion]

Honestly sounds pretty awful, ngl

Can't you get like a cheap monitor from somewhre

[gloomy knoll]

if my guild didn't need me i wouldn't be playing

[limber lion]

like a second hand one

for like 20

[gloomy knoll]

new pc comes on wednesday

[humble ginkgo]

Wait tisumi in pieces

[limber lion]

Ah okay fair

A new monitor with it?

[humble ginkgo]

Sheeeesh

[gloomy knoll]

yea gonna get new monitor too

new everything

[limber lion]

Yes.

Mizutani is in Pepelands

[gloomy knoll]

my good M+ buddy is hooking me up with his old rig

[humble ginkgo]

Wtf

[limber lion]

Sick

[hollow river]

[gloomy knoll]

yea he's a saint

[limber lion]

[gloomy knoll]

i'm so greatful lol

[humble ginkgo]

I hope they play rogue in prog

[gloomy knoll]

i mean guardian i can easily see 2-4 rogues on that fight tbh

[humble ginkgo]

They are fucking pumping man

Those logs

[limber lion]

Decent logs

[gloomy knoll]

unless they do some cheeky strat with defensives to extend boss time

[humble ginkgo]

Thats « decent » for you??

[gloomy knoll]

raid utility / defensives are very important

especially in rwf when everyone is undergeared

doing big dam sadly isn't enough most of the time

yea we def could hit 12-13k this was done with a good screen and venthyr

[limber lion]

I never got my 233 daggers.

Maybe next tier is my tier

and I get the Sylvanas dagger on my first kill

[gloomy knoll]

i just got my first one

like 2 weeks ago i think

monk tank traded me thankfully lol

[soft shale]

i already told it on off-topic

but if i dont get them on M week at least in hc

[burnt star]

Our disc priest has 5 233 weapon

He gets 1 every week

[soft shale]

im using the power of money

[limber lion]

[burnt star]

Quick question: @limber lion in m+. In the opening from stealth. How do u use sbs

[echo geyser]

3 garrotes with subterfuge

?

[limber lion]

gar gar gar gar ct sbs sbs rup sbs

[burnt star]

If using m.a + n.s combo. I presume we also wait for m.a window to be over

[limber lion]

Oh, then we do:
MFD - CT - Fok - Rup - Fok - Rup - Sbs - Sbs - Rup - Sbs

You use the next CT when the entire NSCT has dropped.

[burnt star]

Ok. Good

I assumed i was doing it right. Thx for confirming

[cold tapir]

Im rerolling assa rogue for 9.1 (fresh character) should i wait for 9.1 to craft leggo?

[limber lion]

Yes

[cold tapir]

@limber lion tyvm which slot is considered better for doomblade?

[limber lion]

Cloak

[cold tapir]

Sorry sorry and thanks 😄

[limber lion]

No worries. :p

[strange python]

where do you get the black version of the necrolord covenant set

[limber lion]

No clue. #wow-general probably knows.

[strange python]

ok

[vernal carbon]

Are you guys going necro or venthyr for raid 9.1?

[limber lion]

Necro.

[trim dirge]

you just buy it for anima at quartermaster

[edgy notch]

So doomblade is craftable on cloak in 9.1 ? cause right now its not

[limber lion]

Yes.

[uneven hamlet]

It will be so sad if they don't make the leggod refundable

[edgy notch]

Ok thx. Did they change the slots for Zoldyck too?

[limber lion]

Don't bet on it.

[limber lion]

No.

[uneven hamlet]

And it will be so fun to watch the general player base discovering it

[limber lion]

Very likely we can't get a refund

because soul ash is farmable in 9.1

[soft shale]

yea i deleted finality on chest already

wellp

[edgy notch]

So what to you think for assa: Is it enough to go with Zoldyck legs and doomblade back into 9.1? What are you guys preparing?

[limber lion]

Yes it is.

You don't need anything special.

Deathspike is not looking too great, but we'll have to wait for the sims.

No need to be hasty and start panic-crafting all legendaries.

Just take it easy and chill

[cedar bramble]

you think is it better to wait for Necro and Ventyr sim or should i start for one of them ?

[edgy notch]

y nice i think so too

[limber lion]

It's always better to wait for sims

but Necrolord is looking like the dominant pick between the two currently, because it's much more versatile.

[cedar bramble]

yeah i think it would be great but i wait a little bit for 100% sim 🙂

[limber lion]

Yep.

The sims will be posted in the pins

So come back when 9.1 drops and check the pins

If the sims are done, they'll be there :)

[cedar bramble]

yeah 🙂

[edgy notch]

I will stay venthyr for raid i think.. cause the port is really good at some bosses and u will take a assa rogue for single target and not for cleave. There are better classes for that

[limber lion]

The dps difference in st between the two is less than 100 dps

add any target and necrolord wins

even in prio damage

But yeah, each to their own

Venthyr is great if you want to play Sub as well

[bitter canyon]

what dps do most top sin players pull on big trash packs in m+?

[limber lion]

There's no proper number for tha

it depends on the pack size, if we have the pride buff, if we have covenant buffs, what the mobs are on the pack etc.

[edgy notch]

But you won t take assa for cleave and when u add a target venhtyr wont fall behind that much or am i wrong. For sylvanas and painsmith the venthyr ability will be really good

[bitter canyon]

im pulling around 10-15k in 18+ keys and was just wondering if thats around where I expect my dps to max out or if theres anything Im missing

i guess one example scenario is first pull in DoS or NW

[edgy notch]

For Farm ofc necro will be better

[limber lion]

Necrolord probably better on Painsmith

And probably on Sylvanas as well

Necro pulls ahead in execute as well if you play Zoldyck.

[limber lion]

You shouldn't really look at pack dps honestly

It's a really random number and changes pack by pack

A fire mage blasting the pack instantly vs no one using cds

[edgy notch]

on painsmith u can port 1 additional time and on slyvanas its good to cheese spears and some stuff in p2

[limber lion]

You can just shadowstep lol

[edgy notch]

y

"1 additional time"

[limber lion]

But yeh

each to their own

[limber lion]

What do you need an additional port for?

[bitter canyon]

thats fair Cev.

[limber lion]

But you can look at overalls and compare them on a dungeon-by-dungeon basis

it's still a pretty bad metric because tanks pull differently

[edgy notch]

y tbh you dont even need step.. but i think it makes tricky situations easier

[limber lion]

like on higher keys you tend to pull a lot bigger than on small keys.

[limber lion]

Fair enough. Just go Venthyr then.

[edgy notch]

i m just to lazy to farm necro

[minor thicket]

Is Sin hard to play as necro?

[limber lion]

Not really.

[bitter canyon]

think im starting to hit a wall. My push group is starting on 20s but on some of the youtube videos I've watched I see overall dps of say, a warrior, exceeds 8k and I feel I can never reach that

[limber lion]

Takes 1-2days, it's not too bad.

[bitter canyon]

desperately trying to find somewhere to improve to eek out any additional dps

[minor thicket]

How does it differ? Or change rotation?

[thin path]

bonespike feels 👌 on sin

[limber lion]

7k+ is definitely possible, but again it's really dependent on the rest of the group.

[limber lion]

In ST you use SBS as your first gcd, then you dump all charged during Heirmir's gemstone windows

[radiant shadow]

btw on cloack "as prep for 9.1" we craft crit haste again?

[limber lion]

In AoE you apply it to everything that doesn't have it

[limber lion]

Yes

You can't craft it currently yet

[bitter canyon]

yea I can pull 7k on really smooth runs when I play really really well, but that extra 1k from 7k-8k I have no idea how to get

[limber lion]

so no rush

[minor thicket]

Is there somewhere that shows rotation with necro?

[limber lion]

I did just explain it to you

[bitter canyon]

damn cev doing 3 different conversations at once lmao

thanks for all your hard work ❤️

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Here's an example of my necro opener.

after this you just dump sbs stacks during gemstone procs.

[peak bobcat]

Is it always worth to shiv with low CP?

[limber lion]

You don't care for cp/energy

you just press it on cooldown.

[minor thicket]

Which soul blind for ST?

[limber lion]

That's the only thing that matters.

[minor thicket]

Tree

[limber lion]

Heimir

again

still

like I said

[peak bobcat]

But in opener you do it with 0 after the rupture consistently I assume?

[limber lion]

Yes

Right after Rupture

every time

And after that you just slam it on cooldown

[thorny pond]

#shivslam

[peak bobcat]

Cool, thanks was curious about that. I knew to just shiv on CD always but I feel like my openers could be better.

[limber lion]

Opener doesn't really matter too too much.

Just practice it on a dummy

and do that every time

and you're gucci

Openers are very easy

You just do the same thing

every single time

[peak bobcat]

Yeah, I just haven’t played sin rogue since 90% haste shrouded build and I’m trying to get back into it.

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Just read Wowhead's guide on rotations and whatnot

and you'll get it down quick.

And check out some logs on Warcraftlogs for reference.

[thin path]

@limber lion sry for adding more convos but, there a nice WA for Heimir gem? or just watch yo buffs?^^

[limber lion]

Yes, I use this one:

http://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

It lights up pink when you proc gemstones

and during that you just dumperino

[thin path]

ty, gonna snag that x3

[limber lion]

[thin path]

^w^

[strange python]

would a 190 zold be better than a 235 doomblade on tyrannical week?

for m+

[limber lion]

Probably, yes.

[balmy condor]

would sim a dungeonslice

[limber lion]

But you should sim it

[strange python]

okay

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

but yeah, I would say it's better as well

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

thanks fellas

[tardy knoll]

' Doomblade is looking to be the best legendary for raiding in 9.1. Craft it on a cloak. Dashing might also be good, will have to wait on sims.' any news if we get our ashes back if we have the lego craft on hands?

[limber lion]

Currently no.

[tardy knoll]

....

[limber lion]

We have a way to infinitely farm soul ash though

[tardy knoll]

like no weekly lockout?

[limber lion]

You get more soul ash from the first run per week

But you can keep running it to get a diminished amount from the following dungeons

[tardy knoll]

ah

[limber lion]

It only diminishes once, not 100% sure what the diminished amount is.

[tardy knoll]

well, thats good i think

[limber lion]

Like 25% or something

[grim jay]

I mean its not going to kill you to do 25 mins of torghast each week starting this week so you have all you need pretty fast tho

as soon as it matters

[limber lion]

We get more Soul Ash in 9.1 as well

So it's not a problem

[tardy knoll]

we have 2 weeks right?+ the first week, that means no 235 item

[grim jay]

I dont think they will add a feature that gives back soulash and I dont feel like its necessary

2 weeks + first week + infinite grind

-> pretty fast

[tardy knoll]

make sense

[limber lion]

Not necessary, but definitely a welcome change

Having to craft a legendary that you have maxed out just to put it on a different slot is a bit yikes

[blazing island]

doomblade back right?

[grim jay]

I mean sure, if you have multiple specs/chars its kinda annoying, but well

[limber lion]

Yes

[grim jay]

tbf instead of a refund it would make more sense to make the legendaries interchangeable in general, so that you just need to get the new base item you want on the same or a higher level and be able to swap it onto that with a small amount of (extra) soulash

[limber lion]

Spending 5 weeks to make a legendary on a slot that gets redundant with a new patch is a bit

[deft obsidian]

😭

[limber lion]

Doesn't affect me in any way personally

But I can see how it would suck for some.

[limber lion]

Yep, agree.

[deft obsidian]

It’s as it’s also yet another gold sink, I don’t know about others but I maintain 4 chars on multiple specs and that shit is expensive having multiple leggos

So creating one in another slot is just another face kick

[grim jay]

might get you less frustrated even, if you can just swap slots for a small fee as you get high ilvl pieces instead of tilting if you get good gear for a slot you use a leggo on

[limber lion]

Sure is.

[torn atlas]

Been a stalwart Zold in keys kinda guy but decided to try Doom on ToP after seeing a few suggestions that it's one of the few where it's better due to pack sizes. Did far better than previously running Zold but could also attribute that too playing with a more focused group.
Is it the only key that its decent for?

[limber lion]

It's great in Plaguefall as well if you abuse the everliving shit out of Plagueborers.

If you play the dungeon as normal, Zoldyck still probably slaps.

[torn atlas]

Yeah I was thinking Plague would be another but we do generally just play it straight forward.

[limber lion]

Yeh, Zoldyck is honestly probably the better choice then.

[torn atlas]

I'll stick with the tried and true for now.

[limber lion]

[final star]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[soft shale]

may want to change that im told they fucked phantom fire

and now does cuck damage

on 9.1

[balmy condor]

you mean twice the proc and twice the damage

[soft shale]

idk it was push that said they fucked it i still havent tried

im kind of into the deep end in phantom fires tho

i have like 2000

so if it still does similar damage as it does now but with less variance i would be quite happy

i have 6 agi pots

[timid talon]

tbh agi pots are better anytime there is more than 1 target

[honest vessel]

in st, do you ever intentionally spend bonespikes inside vendetta for the damage increase or to reduce wasting seal fate cp or do you just only press it when cd is about to be up?

[shy dust]

you use SBS within gemstones

you dump SBS charges in the gemstones window

[honest vessel]

oh sick thanks

[shy dust]

your first global should be SBS

usually 2 SBS per gemstone window

[limber lion]

You'll have gemstones for the vendetta windows as well by default

[shy dust]

after the opener

[limber lion]

Unless you're holding Vendetta

[umbral rapids]

Me dumb probably what’s gemstones

[limber lion]

Heirmir's last soulbind trait.

[umbral rapids]

Oh yeah ok

Never knew what it was called kek

[limber lion]

Now you know

[umbral rapids]

Thanks

[sonic schooner]

[upper wasp]

Hi guys, im a night fae assa rogue, What's the best legendary I can craft? because with the pins I'm a bit confused xD

[limber lion]

Doomblade for raiding, Zoldyck for m+.

[upper wasp]

okok ty 😄

[limber lion]

:')

[west cove]

zoldyck pants?

pls be pants

[limber lion]

Yes.

[spice spire]

Pants dodge the domination sockets too

[ember jay]

necro boys, where do you put sbs in the opener?

[limber lion]

In place of your first Mutilate.

And after that you dump during Gemstone windows.

[ember jay]

oh you open on sbs, weird but ok thanks!

[limber lion]

Yep

here's an example.

[ember jay]

ok if i'm not mistaken that's exactly the list I link with just sbs first right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[ember jay]

perfect

[limber lion]

And 2 SBS after the MA vanish window.

[mint anvil]

potion of PF over SA?

[limber lion]

Agility is more consistent.

PF has potential to go nuts, so it's good for rng parsing.

[mint anvil]

Ah

[rugged heron]

you had me at nuts

[limber lion]

[pure moth]

Ive seen alot of rupture before vendetta as well. Is that acceptable?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[shy dust]

Yes

[limber lion]

It doesn't matter honestly.

[pure moth]

Ok

[shy dust]

Opener shit is irrelevant for the most part

[balmy condor]

I mean I hate to be a party pooper

but sim wise

vendetta before rupture is just plain wrong

but like rae said

opener shit doesn't matter

[pure moth]

Alrighty

[safe barn]

you guys know any good guides to learn how to properly read logs?

to improve myself and stuff

[thorny pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performance

[spring root]

Can they give us some nice conduits already

These are sucks

I just wanted to say this to feel better

[minor thicket]

Why did you do 2 back to back SBS here?

[soft shale]

gemstones

[minor thicket]

Ah for the crit

[pearl drift]

I have a question guys
I've seen people saying doomblade on cloak is going to be the best ST legendary on 9.1
But as of my understanding, doomblade can only be crafted on hands and shoulders
Is there going to be some changes in legendaries crafting parts in 9.1?

[spice spire]

yes

this is due to the domination sockets that are being added in 9.1 for leahter they go on the hands and shoulders, and you cannot put a gem into a legendary iirc

[pearl drift]

ic thx is this going to be the same with other classes?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cyan dew]

Guys if I follow this rotation: (with subterfuge)
Garrote
Slice and Dice
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Move on to normal rotation
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less

Do I want for the vanish + vendetta later?

wait*

[teal mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856356652944326686/856356911078572052/unknown.png

on a cloak ?

[cyan dew]

it's for 9.1

[teal mountain]

it will be on a cloack ?

[frigid kestrel]

Yes

[teal mountain]

i will throw my gloves ?

[frigid kestrel]

Throw on cloak due to the new dominations sockets not being able to go on legendaries

[teal mountain]

So I need to stack some ashes for my new legendarie cloak

[frigid kestrel]

You can, but also you get more ash in 9.1 I believe.

I vaguely remember reading that Soul Assh will be easier to farm via getting more of it or something of that nature. Mega Soul ash will be the real issue.

[teal mountain]

alright man, thx for the details

[frigid kestrel]

With Subterfuge I typically Vanish + Garrote the second my first empowered garrote wears off.

[cyan dew]

Hmm

So you never wait for vendetta + vanish to align, right?

[frigid kestrel]

They both have a 2 minute CD and Vendetta stays on target for 20 seconds. They should always line up when used on CD. By the time you hit Rupture you will have already spent 6 seconds with Garrote already on your target, a vanish Garrote refresh should fall within your vendetta window automatically.

[cyan dew]

Got it, thanks

[lunar otter]

so lads are we stayin assa for raid i ahvent kept up with the new notes

[loud birch]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[frigid kestrel]

Yes, Sin will be a solid choice for raid.

[lunar otter]

venth assa?

[frigid kestrel]

Venth Sin is only slightly stronger on pure ST. Once you add at the very minimum 1 target Necro comes out on top.

[pale fossil]

You're killing it, Ceverion-v2

[lunar otter]

ugh so i gotta go necro

[frigid kestrel]

Ye

[lunar otter]

iquit

[pale fossil]

You don't gotta. Venth is still more than viable.

[lunar otter]

again

[frigid kestrel]

I legit only pop up when him and Whispyr aren’t around

Is they are active I just lurk

[pale fossil]

Necro is better but not by a massive amount, and Venthyr Sin is still near the top of raw DPS.

Plus, we don't have final sims.

[frigid kestrel]

Ye, you can legit play whatever you want and be solid

[lunar otter]

ye i know im memin

[pale fossil]

Just not Kyrian

[lunar otter]

memeing still tho do we know what legos etc ?

[frigid kestrel]

God No!!!!!

[idle shard]

wait do u actually vanish and then rupture?

Fuck, Im not doing that lmao

[frigid kestrel]

Ye Doomblade on Cloak

[frigid kestrel]

Where do you see this at?

[idle shard]

someone asked about opener early on

[frigid kestrel]

Vanish Garrote when playing Subterfuge

[idle shard]

@limber lion sent this image as an example

no I mean ST opener

[frigid kestrel]

That’s showing vanish Mut

Not vanish rupture

[idle shard]

Oh my bad

I meant vendetta rupture haha

sorry xD

[frigid kestrel]

Ahh ye

[lunar otter]

fuck so doomblade on me cloak

[idle shard]

sheeesh Im not doing that haha

[frigid kestrel]

In 9.1 yes that’s the way to go

[idle shard]

Im doing rupture right before vendetta + vanish

[lunar otter]

@frigid kestrel i have the gloves tho 😦

[frigid kestrel]

Honestly openers don’t make much of a difference anyway as long as you get all your shit up, you will be golden.

[frigid kestrel]

It’s all good, you get soul ash faster in 9.1 so you will be solid.

[idle shard]

Ill try to do it right anyways haha

[lunar otter]

ye bur refarmin a lego THE SAME one to some where else is cancer wtf

*but

[idle shard]

good thing I only crafted a 210 doomblade

cuz my rogue is kinda fresh

[frigid kestrel]

I have a 235 Doom, Zold, Finality, and Akarri’s

[torn atlas]

I only crafted 210 because I cbf more thorgast.

[lunar otter]

@frigid kestrel ialso have them all maxrank

[torn atlas]

The other 6 rogue lego I crafted didn't help.

[idle shard]

damn u nutssss

[frigid kestrel]

Ghast is pretty quick as a rogue

[lunar otter]

it is

[frigid kestrel]

You just stealth through everything and you win

[idle shard]

u can just sneak around and kill the bosses in each floor

yeah

xD

a little extra if u lucky enough to get jack of all trades haha

makes it way easier

[lunar otter]

rekon they wil lrefund old legos ?

to switch ?

[frigid kestrel]

Nothing on that

[torn atlas]

Absolutely it's easy, but that doesn't mean I want to do it 😂

[lunar otter]

so farm ash wait to see

[balmy condor]

Doubtful

[idle shard]

this lol

[balmy condor]

The refund is that we can farm ash forever

[frigid kestrel]

I think their answer is just throwing Soul Ash at us.

Nice, @balmy condor is here. Time to put my phone down.

[idle shard]

how much will they give you after your weekly ash?

[solar bramble]

can you make a lvl 5 leggo with a lvl 1? or does it need to be 4 first

[lunar otter]

putDB on back then maybe go necro maybe other than that anything else

[solar bramble]

e.g. do you need 1-4 soul ashe as well? or just cinders

[balmy condor]

You can go 1 to 5

[lunar otter]

u need all the soul ash tho

[balmy condor]

But you’ll need the ash I believe

[idle shard]

I already bought a 235 cloak before 9.1

lmao

[solar bramble]

that's problematic. . . . . . my druid will hate his life for another patch lol

[frigid kestrel]

Great move before prices sky rocket

[idle shard]

yass

[torn atlas]

Yeah I bought a 235 cloak the day patch was announced for 16k gold. Haven't looked again but seen people saying the prices are getting pretty large already.

[ember jay]

just like consummables, bought like 5k potions and 1k flask weeks ago, prices are gonna skyrocket 💸

[gusty mirage]

Are there not new consumables for 9.1?

[ember jay]

nop nothing

[gusty mirage]

well played sir/madam

[ember jay]

i'm only missing armor kit but idk, price never went down, still expensive asf

[gusty mirage]

Truly a 500 iq play

[echo mantle]

Im struggling here. Im Venthyr already. Dont miiind it, but prefer to play sin in raid and m+. Is it gonna be worth to swap necrolord over venthyr? How does SBS feel?

[spice spire]

Sbs feels amazing

[lunar otter]

whast t hje cloak called

[spice spire]

Necrolord imo is the play for both

[lunar otter]

*the

[balmy condor]

Grim veiled

[frigid kestrel]

SBS feel great and is the play of you are raiding and M+

[echo mantle]

Thats what I thought. So doesnt feel weirdly placed then?

[spice spire]

Not really

Imo it feels much more natural than lashing

[lunar otter]

@balmy condor got one for 9k gold im sure t hey will go up

[balmy condor]

9k?

For what ilvl

120?

[lunar otter]

235

[balmy condor]

Jesus

Yeah I can’t get my hands on that for less than 70-80 last I checked

[gusty mirage]

Did the prices go up again? I thought I got fleeced for the 24k I spent

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

I’ll just give you the one I got

You’re stronger oxi anyway

[balmy condor]

I can have my guild buy then for me probably

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but I feel like my guild should buy mine cause they suck

[spice spire]

Whispyrs guild is actually just his s*mps

[gusty mirage]

Not true Cev and I aren’t in his guild

[balmy condor]

No no

[spice spire]

Oh true

[balmy condor]

I’m not in oxi’s guild anymore

[spice spire]

Ahhhh

Apologies

[gusty mirage]

I wish I could say the same

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Oxi’s guild simps

This guild doesn’t

Cause I’m trash

[spice spire]

Nah ur a good bean

[gusty mirage]

Hey woah you can’t be claiming my title like that

I’m literally the trashmaster

[balmy condor]

Yeah, 3/10 wondering why I’m not in on sire prog

[gusty mirage]

Because they don’t know your full potential

[spice spire]

Higher prog than whispyr

But also your prog means nothing on how good or bad you are nerd

[gusty mirage]

It’s all the time he spends simming for us potatoes

He’s doing miracle work for the RH potato patch

[spice spire]

Also answering our stupid questions

[balmy condor]

Stop simping you fucking weirdos

[gusty mirage]

You’re not my real mom

You can’t tell me what to do

[spice spire]

I don’t s*mp u. Just respect the grind papi

Also don’t wanna see you negative about something out of ur control

Oxi’s guild sux

Unlucky

[gusty mirage]

Wait didn’t you JUST get 6/10?

[spice spire]

In a guild that wasn’t even mine, ye

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

My guild took the tier off

[gusty mirage]

I will not be bullied god damnit

[spice spire]

Toxic

[gusty mirage]

I’m toxi

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

He’s not raiding with us anymore

I may have struck a nerve

[cyan dew]

@balmy condor when I have more than 1 target for like 30% of the fight, it's worth to go CT? If so, CT with subterfuge or vigor?

[spice spire]

NO WAY YOU MAD LAD. Erasing people off the map in PvE

[mighty hazel]

i190 weapon and i220 weapon can effect alot of dps ?

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

All the poor peanuts hanging out at 3/10-6/10

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t really make a difference, depends on the fight

[balmy condor]

Depends on “a lot” but yes, that’s a like 250 dps probably

[cyan dew]

ty

[hollow river]

So what ur saying is

[mighty hazel]

;D

[hollow river]

If rank 4 cloak is 20k I should buy it?

[burnt escarp]

hi everyone so I am new to rogue here and just have a question, why is assasination invited the least to m+?

[balmy condor]

Is that… a dagger in your offhand at 220

Put that in your main hand you lunatic

Wtf

[gusty mirage]

Probably yeah, I bought mine a few days ago for 23k on A52. It’s now 80k according to Whispyr

[spice spire]

Tilt

[hollow river]

Because everyone is afraid of us

[mighty hazel]

i was assassin wanted to change outlaw

[hollow river]

They can’t comprehend maxdps

[mighty hazel]

i cant use dagger f hand outlaw

[balmy condor]

Generally seen as the worst m+ spec

Just how it is

[balmy condor]

Oh

I thought you were going to sin

[burnt escarp]

O_O even over feral?

[mighty hazel]

xD

[balmy condor]

Well if you’re going outlaw have fun

[hollow river]

I got KSM today (:

[cyan dew]

more on these. Do you know how far behing (if any) we'll be on M+ compared to outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Idk maybe, who knows

[gusty mirage]

Melee dps that aren’t monks or outlaw rogues are seen as garbage

[cyan dew]

Or can't know atm?

[burnt escarp]

oh ok I gotcha thanks haha

[balmy condor]

Like 6-10%?

[cyan dew]

damn, that's a lot

[balmy condor]

Yea

Sin bad m+

[soft shale]

diff damage profile at least

[balmy condor]

Who knew

[gusty mirage]

Would’ve been worse if deathspike didn’t get nerfed too

[cyan dew]

fk, thought I was leaving behind outlaw, but that shit is too good on m+ to leave it.

[hollow river]

Time to brush up on your sub rogues boys

[mighty hazel]

problably in 9.1 that high gear can make assassin top dps

[balmy condor]

Don’t s

Just

Just don’t.

[scarlet spade]

you guys already stacking 235 cloaks?

[gusty mirage]

I think I can handle shuriken storm -> black powder for 35 minutes without much practice

[hollow river]

Yes

[soft shale]

dont worry people dashing nf will save assa m+ oh wait

[mighty hazel]

assassin always getting so strong second exp