assassination

[wise gull]

the absolute worst

nobody does speed strat

[zealous marsh]

[wise gull]

intermission is like

25 years

[limber lion]

I mean the curve boost is like 60k or something only

it's really cheap

[slow helm]

are we gonna change away from venthyr for raiding in 9.1? 🙂

[limber lion]

You can get 99's on both if you buy it

[limber lion]

We are not raiding as Venthyr even currently

but yes, we're necrolords.

[shrewd night]

[limber lion]

Boomer

[wise gull]

necro gang

[shrewd night]

wdym

I was faster

[limber lion]

WOAH

rude???

[slow helm]

well im not gonna play necrolord so is venthyr still the second best? 🙂

[limber lion]

Yes!

You're fine playing Venthyr

[drowsy parcel]

venthyr is a good hedge choice

[slow helm]

perfect just needed to make sure if i had to change or not 😛

[drowsy parcel]

if sub would happen to pop off

easier to transition

[sick scarab]

@limber liontogheter with me LOL

[limber lion]

You can honestly play any covenant and do fine. Necro is the best, but if you're a hater, it's fine not changing.

[slow helm]

i tried the playing necro but it felt so shit had to change so currently venthyr

[wise gull]

old necro? or new necro

[sick scarab]

togheter woht me.. i wasd assa since start i am a beliver

[limber lion]

That's fair, it's not for everyone.

[limber lion]

[slow helm]

the new one

[wise gull]

crazy, to each their own

i just switched today and this shit is so much fun

[drowsy parcel]

sbs is gods gift to mankind

[limber lion]

I agree, I think SBS is the best ability and it's not even close.

[gloomy rose]

any indication if blizz lets us change the legendary base since they added bunch of slots on a lot of legendaries?

[limber lion]

Very versatile and very cool.

[limber lion]

No, not yet.

[gloomy rose]

sucks, thanks

[limber lion]

Yep, sure does.

Soul Ash is infinite in 9.1, so at least you can grind it out if you want.

[wise gull]

You know what isn't cool?

[scenic meteor]

I’m swapping back to venth, sry don’t enjoy sbs as much :p

[wise gull]

doing the covenant campaign

kill me

right now

[limber lion]

That's true.

It's a bit of a pain

[dawn ivy]

do we know if necro soulbind procs can crit in 9.1?

[limber lion]

But you only gotta do it once, so once it's done, it's done :p

[dawn ivy]

or just the initial crit

[limber lion]

Yes, SBS benefits from crit in 9.1

The dot

The initial hit can already crit.

[wise gull]

renown 23 atm

[dawn ivy]

sorry im hazy, i mean the additional procs that the necro conduit provides, can those crit

[limber lion]

Ah, yes it can.

The procs from sudden fractures that is.

[drowsy parcel]

the 9.1 reveal post mentions "Empowered Conduits"

[limber lion]

I'm trolling, it can crit.

[dawn ivy]

POG

[drowsy parcel]

is that anything special or is it just higher ilvl stuff

[wise gull]

i can't wait to do sire as necro

[dawn ivy]

@drowsy parcel all your conduits will have +2 level

regardless of ilvl

[drowsy parcel]

oh okay

[dawn ivy]

or at least thats how it worked in ptr, now HOW you get them to become empoered i have no clue

[limber lion]

I meant to say that it is currently already benefitting from crit

It's not gaining any new functionality

But in the current game, the actual sbs dot is not critting

and that is starting to crit in 9.1

[sick scarab]

juts buy the new bases you need before price skyrocket.. just to be sure

[gloomy rose]

legit idea, thanks

[drowsy parcel]

Kevin Martens
We're also adding an Empowered Conduit System. You can take individual conduit slots and empower them to unveil either more power or more abilities. No abilities [examples] as this system is in very early development and we're still testing it.

a quote from an interview in february

do we really not know anything more about this

[dawn ivy]

I personally dont

[limber lion]

We're only getting +2 levels on the actual conduit

There's nothing else currently.

unfortunately

it's very lame

[dawn ivy]

i guess its more accurate to say we are empowering the actual soulbind SLOT, not the conduit

[limber lion]

ye

[dawn ivy]

its most likely some kind of renown/campaign upgrade

[lusty bane]

Think there is a chance rogue gets any raid utility for 9.1?

[limber lion]

Doesn't look like it.

[burnt star]

9.1.5 my guess

[lusty bane]

Bummer at least it lets me focus on dps 😂. I’m not in a serious guild so I’ll always have a spot. Just wanted to offer more if I could.

[pine ore]

Is there any point in redrafting doom blade on cloak instead of gloves right now ?

[limber lion]

We can't recraft it yet

We unlock the slot in 9.1

So you'll have to wait 2 weeks regardless.

[sand plume]

I’ve been out of retail other than raid logging for quite some time. Should I buy the rank 4 cloak now? Or will I have to buy something else come 9.1 anyway? I figure it’s cheaper now?

[umbral rapids]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Yeah, you should buy it now.

It'll probably rise in price when 9.1 drops.

[umbral rapids]

any of those three guides that you would recommend over the others ?

[limber lion]

I like Wowhead's formating the most personally.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask here and I'll help out.

[umbral rapids]

[sand plume]

Ok cool, wasn’t sure if there were going to be new items to use. Anything else in regards to legendarys/covenants I should be doing before 9.1?

In terms of saving gold/time.

[limber lion]

I mean

we're playing Necro next tier

So get that up

You can also level up Venth if you want so you have both ready for when the patch drops.

[sand plume]

Oh do we keep the same renown when we swap?

[limber lion]

Yes

It's covenant-specific

[sand plume]

was that recently added?

[limber lion]

No

[sand plume]

Or anytime after launch that is.

[limber lion]

No, it's always been likethat.

If you're 40 Venthyr and change to Necro, you'll be 40 Venthyr if you swap back

Your conduits and everything stays as well.

[sand plume]

Awesome. For some reason I did not think it was like that.

[limber lion]

All the covenant specific stuff stays.

[sand plume]

Alright so buy the cloak and level new covenants.

[limber lion]

Yep.

You can save up some soul ash from torghast to ease the 9.1 grind a bit.

[shut flame]

Hi all! Im new to assa rogues, hence question - there is a chance that mutilate gives 3 cps, what should I do - go on and potentially overcap 1 cp by using second muti, or?

[sand plume]

I mean I’m mostly going to focus on raiding versus M+. Will really only do M+ for any chance to get better gear for raiding. What rank are legendaries going up to?

[limber lion]

You use mutilate, unless you're at max-1 combo points

Meaning that if you play Vigor, you would Mutilate at 1-3CP

With Deeper Stratagem, you would Mutilate at 1-4CP

But when you're at max-1 combo points, you would use a finisher.

[mint gorge]

what we saying team, staying venth or going necro, or just better to re roll necro now so the choice is open

[limber lion]

Necrolord is a good, safe bet.

[mint gorge]

checking pINS

[shut flame]

cheers!

[limber lion]

My pleasure

[mint gorge]

@limber lion love you lots

[limber lion]

[rustic thunder]

Wait the necro spike crits now by default wtf

[limber lion]

Huh?

[sand plume]

What ranks are legendaries going up to?

[limber lion]

The initial hit does not crit every time, if that's what you mean

They only added crit to the sbs dot

so it benefits from crit normally.

[limber lion]

r6

[rustic thunder]

That’s what I mean

[limber lion]

ilvl 262, I think.

[rustic thunder]

This is an amazing change

[sonic schooner]

Ceve s helping everyone

[limber lion]

Yeah, but there was no way to make it crit previously

But yeah, it is great.

[rustic thunder]

Yea

[limber lion]

It's about 60-70 dps for us

[rustic thunder]

What about the conduit?

[limber lion]

Pretty cool

[rustic thunder]

For sbs

[limber lion]

The conduit has been critting already

So nothing's changing for it.

[rustic thunder]

It used to give crit

[limber lion]

Still does.

[mint gorge]

i currently have rank 4 doomblade on hands, is it 100% a must to have it on cloak, seems a little wasted to spend that much ash on something I already have

[limber lion]

It's looking like we want it on the cloak, just because we have a domination socket on gloves.

[mint gorge]

ahh

[limber lion]

A lot of us have it on gloves.

[mint gorge]

fair

[limber lion]

But you can infinitely farm it in 9.1

[rustic thunder]

I think they will add a way to reforge the leggo

[mint gorge]

yeah true

[limber lion]

Who knows, maybe. maybe not

[rustic thunder]

Once the community realizes how shit this is

[limber lion]

But yeh, it's still 2 weeks away

so just be patient

Don't do anything too hastily

and then regret it

[limber lion]

It's not the community who has to realize it

I'm sure we all do

it's Blizzard.

[sonic schooner]

Probably they will in the last patch of the expac, won't happen before I bet

[mint gorge]

ill re roll necro over the weekend as not raiding any ways atm so least thats something to do in this beautiful game we call WOW

[limber lion]

For sure, have fun!

[limber lion]

[rustic thunder]

They are adding some quick catch up to 40 right?

[limber lion]

It will be a lot faster in 9.1

I mean, it is very fast already

[rustic thunder]

Cool

[limber lion]

But even more so in 9.1

[sonic schooner]

Let's go 80

[rustic thunder]

I’m probably staying necro. I played outlaw and sub a lot in 9.0, I wanna go assa and sub this time

Venthyr and necro are pretty close anyway

[sonic schooner]

If we change covenant every 2 months and I m getting all the covenant maxed again I will be angry

I cant wait

[limber lion]

Staying necro?

Necro is the better choice.

Probably meant to say staying venth? :p

[rustic thunder]

For assa it seems like it, for sub it’s not

[limber lion]

I mean, Necro is honestly pretty far ahead in terms of dps on multiple targets.

[limber lion]

Yeah, but you said you're staying necro lol

[rustic thunder]

I think necro is still superior in aoe if u wanna double spec, isnt it?

[limber lion]

Yeah but I'm not seeing the connection

If you're staying necro

[rustic thunder]

Sorry for a probably basic question but i’ve fallen out of the loop

[limber lion]

"I want to play sub and sin, and venth is pretty close to necro"

"so I'm staying necro"

Why would you stay necro

if you want to play sub

Why would you not go Venth

[mint gorge]

I Quite like that option being necro, ST seems fairly close, but choice of going Outlaw or decent AOE as Assass, makes my Assass quiver with excitement rogues are viable again

[limber lion]

Rogues have been fine for a long time now.

They were a bit lacking in 9.0

but fine after 9.0.5

[mint gorge]

i suffered from the early emo episode of 9.0

[limber lion]

Nothing's really changing for us this time around

So we're staying pretty much where we are

so pretty great.

[mint gorge]

yeah 100%

[strange python]

as potency conduit we're taking Sudden Fractures right?

[echo crystal]

do we know if the new mega dungeon has any loot actually worth trying to acquire, if youre already 229+?

[limber lion]

Yep.

[limber lion]

Eh, not really. That's for you to discover.

But I mean, ilvl is still pretty cool.

[mint gorge]

only meh thing about re rolling covs, is the world quest hub pylon things, would have to start again right for them, and re level all my followers right

[gusty mirage]

There’s a mount that drops that’s sick af

[strange python]

9.0 was fine for sub rogues as long as you played to perfection and farmed pvp gear you could be useful in St fights

[limber lion]

Well, if you care about that stuff, sure

[echo crystal]

mounts wont make me do more damage, so dont really care 😦

[limber lion]

But many of us don't even do the covenant sanctum things

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

they don't give any dps increase

They're just aesthetics

[mint gorge]

fair

[limber lion]

For a while, but after getting gear you dropped quite a bit.

[gusty mirage]

But it’s a cool flying disk

[spice spire]

Good morning gamer

[gusty mirage]

Worth doing at least once a week

[gusty mirage]

Hi qt

[spice spire]

No u

[naive cypress]

Does shiv give 2 CP when it crits?

[limber lion]

Yes

[naive cypress]

Cool

[waxen thunder]

Is it worth swapping to necro now or should I hold off to closer to the raid

[limber lion]

Yes.

[strange python]

Well yeah it wasn’t progressing after a point you were hitting hard cap dps

[limber lion]

Necrolord is already our best covenant, it's very worth it.

[naive cypress]

Necro is better than Venthyr?

[limber lion]

yes.

[sand plume]

[limber lion]

Let me refer you to the pins, once more.

[sand plume]

I’m contributing

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

Close enough in ST, becomes better once there’s 1 more thing to bonespike

Blizzard loves their add fights

[sand plume]

I was forced to go Druid to raid mythic, swapping to my rogue for 9.1 now that I have a raid spot

[limber lion]

Great.

Rogue is bae.

[sand plume]

Rogue has been my main since LK. first time I ever swapped off. Druid was fun and so was mythic raiding.

But time to come back. Assassination was always my favorite spec

[limber lion]

Hey, homies

me too

[sand plume]

Heck yeah.

[spice spire]

A homie returns

[sand plume]

Hoping for an easy, consolidated video to come out telling me what to do before 9.1 to maximize my time and gold saving.

[limber lion]

Hmm, should I

[sand plume]

Seems like legendary is the thing that will affect the gold aspect.

[frigid kestrel]

If my RL ever tried to force me to swap classes I’d go searching for another guild

[spice spire]

[frigid kestrel]

No

[sand plume]

@frigid kestrel I mean it wasn’t a hard “do this or else” I was on the bench and wasn’t being brought in.

[limber lion]

Ok.

[sand plume]

The yesses are winning.

[limber lion]

But yeh, you can just ask anything in here

and we'll help you out

[frigid kestrel]

^

[limber lion]

Don't need no videos for that

[sand plume]

True. I feel that I have questions I don’t even know about.

[limber lion]

That's fair

[limpid plinth]

Kyllä

[frigid kestrel]

Legit RH will 10/10 be better then any video you will watch

No cap

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

@limber lion video when

[limber lion]

yes we are very 6head wizards in here, only 100% factual information no cap on a stack

[frigid kestrel]

Read the pins and you will get the jest of most of the gameplay

[gusty mirage]

A lot of stuff is covered from time to time in here, so sometimes just popping in every now and then you’ll get some insight on something that you never thought to consider

[spice spire]

🧢

[limber lion]

I've considered it, but I don't have any editing background or skills so eh

[spice spire]

Don’t make me @ omr

[spice spire]

Me help

[gusty mirage]

Pls don’t. I’ll give you whatever you want

[limpid plinth]

Ceverion will you stream progress?

[spice spire]

It’s really just scripting + overlay + background gameplay

It’s pretty easy for a tutorial video

[limber lion]

Yes, probably without comms though

[limpid plinth]

Nice 😍

[limber lion]

:')

[sand plume]

Appreciate that. I’m less worried about actual game play on the rogue as I’ve been playing the class forever and more so just getting ready for 9.1. Seems like I’ve got a good foundation between buying my base legendary item now, getting some more soul ash and swapping covenants.

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's true. Just need to plan it out well in advance.

I mean, I did do some editing back in like 2010

when I used to do RSMV's

[gusty mirage]

Welcome home to the cool spec @sand plume

[limber lion]

And some C4D rendering

[spice spire]

Of course. But if you ever need help/advice I’ll gladly help

[gusty mirage]

We’ve missed you

[limber lion]

but I don't know if that counts since it's been over a decade since then

[sand plume]

[limber lion]

[frigid kestrel]

The issue with VODs arent the accuracy of them. It’s that you have to be very basic or general about how to play the spec/class because shit tends to get outdated quick. And being super general tends to lead people down the wrong path sometimes.

[spice spire]

C4d rendering in 2010?! We may have overlapped during that time

[limber lion]

Yes, I'm sure we're all aware of that.

That's why we don't recommend video guides to anyone.

[frigid kestrel]

Yup

[limber lion]

Especially from people outside of RH

(everyone)

[sand plume]

Is there a new legendary currency coming out?

And is soul ash only for ranks 1-4?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, it drops from the new layers of torghast

[spice spire]

I did some GFX work around then in hs.
But also I think coming into expansions and going over specific changes are a niche that aren’t covered

[spice spire]

That’s correct

[limber lion]

I used to be a photoshop nerd

Ah, the good ol' teenage years.

[gusty mirage]

Yo guys oxi here these are my recommendations for stat weights (insert my own stat weights here)

[spice spire]

Especially from a world elite - and the hivemind that is RH

[spice spire]

YO SAME?!?!?!

[gusty mirage]

Make sure you hit like and subscribe

[spice spire]

I did mostly small art - banners and whatnot. LDA are fucking insane

[spice spire]

Huge info papi

[sand plume]

I learned while trying to min/max my Druid that stat weights are basically satan (or your equivalent). I presume that’s the same for all classes?

[limber lion]

Same, used to make forum signatures a bunch when those were a thing.

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[spice spire]

Correct

[gusty mirage]

Stat weights are super volatile, one piece can shift everything around

God I can’t type this morning

[spice spire]

Dog there’s a large percent chance that we overlapped at some point. Idr the site I frequented. It had a rainbow zebra as a mascot

Some really stupidly good digital artists as well

[sand plume]

I used to sim stat weights and then import the string to pawn and base upgrades off that

[gusty mirage]

We all did

[sand plume]

Those changed. A lot.

[limber lion]

Yeah, no clue. I used to play runescape private servers as well, so I spent a good while on those forums.

Very edgy.

[spice spire]

Oh no no no no

[gusty mirage]

Then we realized we had to update pawn like 8 times a day

[limber lion]

Pawn

[gusty mirage]

It’s one of those addons that means well but is misunderstood

Which tbh was kinda necessary for casuals with how fucked secondaries were in bfa

[sand plume]

Anything else I’m missing for my 9.1 prep?

I have not been current on ANY of the new things.

[limber lion]

There's not much to do honestly.

We're chillin'

[spice spire]

Domination sockets are very much a thing.
When you craft your legendary keep those in mind.

And just wait for the release for the most part

We’re chilling

[sand plume]

I don’t know what that means

Domination sockets, that is.

[limber lion]

We're getting new systems in 9.1

[sand plume]

Systems

[limber lion]

but we don't really care about them now

there's not much to do

If you have your main covenant leveled up, that's pretty much it.

[spice spire]

I’d do a bit of reading on the systems that are upcoming but Cev is right - until release there’s nothing to prep outside of doing weekly torgg to alleviate the grind early

[sand plume]

I’m just going to base my legendary off the pins. So I guess I don’t need to worry about domination sockets because someone else already did?

[raven geode]

So I've been trying to find out if doomblade legendary is getting a 3rd craftable slot anyone have some insight my google skills may be sup par.

[limber lion]

We did the work

you get the cloak, craft db on it

that's it

[sand plume]

Before or after 9.1? Or it doesn’t matter?

[spice spire]

Cloak in 9.1

[limber lion]

We can't make the cloak now

it opens up in 9.1

[sand plume]

O

[spice spire]

Can’t craft until 9.1 - get the cloak whenever thoigh

[sand plume]

Yeah gonna be buying the cloak when I get home from vacation.

[sand plume]

Then, on to the renown grind.

[limber lion]

Yeh, that's pretty much it.

Necro to 40

afk for 2 weeks

[sand plume]

THEN necro to 80

[limber lion]

That takes a bit longer :p

20 weeks

[sand plume]

Timegating very

[rustic thunder]

Ppl sweat over choosing the absolute best covenant meanwhile there is one clear winner which is Necrolord due to the fact that you will be able to fly a fly

[gusty mirage]

[verbal mantle]

@limber lion best cov 9.1?

[limber lion]

[rustic thunder]

We unlock flying pretty soon in the patch no?

[tulip nacelle]

should be like 3 weeks

[lean coral]

if we get it when we get the cov flying mount its 2 weeks

[limber lion]

I think it's second week as well.

Could be wrong

[rustic thunder]

Pretty excited, haven’t played assa since 8.2 probably

[fair ether]

First time we will get fly without farming shitty rep

[thick onyx]

Is the reason necro is looking better for all content due to raid pure ST being non-existent or is it due to new soulbind trait stuff?

[dawn pike]

i think the necro lego

[limber lion]

Necro has been the dominating covenant for all content where you have some sort of adds. There isn't any major changes.

Necrolord just excels in any situation that's not pure st.

There are some pure st fights in the raid, but not too many.

Necro is also the best covenant for m+

[limber lion]

No, the necro lego is not looking too great.

[desert inlet]

typo?

[desert inlet]

thought necro was better in m+

[plain thistle]

cev sending mixed messages

[limber lion]

Yes, sorry, typo.

Necrolord is the best covenant for m+.

[sand plume]

Necro

[gusty mirage]

My boy just got vaccinated take it easy on him

[desert inlet]

just didn't want people to get confused

[limber lion]

No, that's good!

[sand plume]

Oh boy. I was knocked out for two days after my first vaccination.

[limber lion]

If I ever say dumb shit, do tell me

[thick onyx]

Time to switch to necro i guess, its not even much worse on pure ST right?

[plain thistle]

nah, too late, changed to venthyr already

[limber lion]

Less than 100 dps.

[gusty mirage]

Dumbest thing you’ve ever said was when you said you’re an average gamer

There I said it

[limber lion]

We're waiting for sims, but they're looking very similar in st already.

[thick onyx]

Awesome, cheers Cev

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

[desert inlet]

venthyr would do more in like Sire p3 though right? even though Necro would maybe do more overall from p2

[limber lion]

No

Necro being bugged will deal more damage in p3 than Venthyr

[desert inlet]

oh cool

[limber lion]

Necro also pulls ahead if you play Zoldyck in execute

[desert inlet]

do we know if that bug is still in 9.1?

[limber lion]

No clue.

Sire is the only fight where it occured.

We're not even 100% sure what's causing it yet.

it's very 🍝

[sand plume]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[desert inlet]

oh, it doesn't happen in general? that's annoying

[limber lion]

Idk, I don't think so

The ability working properly everywhere else is fine by me.

[plain thistle]

didnt monk had a similar bug? with mark staying in p3?

in sire

[limber lion]

Wouldn't be surprised if they did.

[desert inlet]

want to keep playing Venthyr in general but not if necro is better

[limber lion]

Probably happens because the adds "die" but don't actually really die

[plain thistle]

pretty sure they did and was fixed, not sure why it didnt happen for sbs

[limber lion]

it's jank

[limber lion]

Necro is a lot better for most stuff.

[plain thistle]

thats my guess too

[limber lion]

Like Painsmith is a single target boss, right?

But it has the balls that you have to destroy

Those balls will likely pull Necro ahead of Venthyr on that fight

Because the difference is already so small

But who knows, enough speculation.

Just wait for the sim wizards.

[mint gorge]

plot twist night fae

[desert inlet]

I just want to be lazy and have Flag instead of Bone Spike

[willow eagle]

No one expects the kyrian simms

[tame ravine]

I actually look forward to using bone spike if it's better

[plain thistle]

hopefully not kyrian, I'am not 40 there

[limber lion]

SBS is a lot of fun

You'll never regret it when you pick it up and get accustomed to it

[limber lion]

It's a lot of fun!

[limber lion]

Me neither, but according to the initial sims, it's not looking too too great for sin.

[tame ravine]

I always welcome more ways to generate combo points :)

[plain thistle]

yeah, sbs is great

[sand plume]

Do we just keep the SBS dot up on the targets? They don’t stack right?

[limber lion]

You use it as your first gcd in the fight

Then you dump all of the other charges during Gemstone windows.

[sand plume]

Wtf

[limpid quest]

great I just finished Night Fae, then Ventthry lol so Necro is the way to go for new content?

[limber lion]

¨Yes.

But you can play what you want.

[limpid quest]

well just best to start before patch

[pure moth]

I did a plaguefall last night and kept bone spiking slimes for reset. Fun times

[limber lion]

Sure is.

[limber lion]

Yep, resets are huge.

[limpid quest]

what legendary you using

[limber lion]

Doomblade on Cloak in raids

Zoldyck probably in m+, still waiting for sims.

[cold spoke]

any necrolord chads in the room

[limpid quest]

yea I know the pins

[limber lion]

[pure moth]

It made bone spike my 3or 4th in damage break down . i had that many resets

[limpid quest]

was just wonmdering what you were using lol

[limber lion]

Ah yeh

Doomblade

[limpid quest]

nice

[cold spoke]

@limber lion

[dull cloak]

do bonespike still get extra cp from another rogues bonespike debuff

[limber lion]

Don't think so.

Could be wrong.

[limpid quest]

I been bouncing back from outlaw to Sin I have all lengendaries needed for all cases for both

[gusty mirage]

It doesn’t

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

But there was a bug that if you and another necro rogue bonespike one target and it dies, you both get 2 charges back

Not sure if they ever hot fixed that

[limpid quest]

wonder if you have to restart a covenant if you changed back to the one you had finished before?

[limber lion]

No you don't.

Everything in the covenant is saved, including all the buildings, followers, renown etc.

[limpid quest]

well thats good being I have night fae and venth done now

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's good to have multiple ones leveled up

[fading adder]

Yea, i have ven, necro, and NF leveled i couldnt get myself to do the 4th

[limpid quest]

yea Taco I feel ya

[fading adder]

they should have made it an achievement with a title and i would have done it lol

[limber lion]

Yes

But Kyrian is awful, so we're safe

[harsh anchor]

inb4 kyrian sims come and it's bis until 10.0

[fading adder]

blessed be blozzard kekw

[limber lion]

They did Kyrian sims already and it's not looking too great for sin.

We're safe.

[gusty mirage]

I was once a kyrian

[limber lion]

@sand plume So, Marrowed Gemstone is Heirmir's last soulbind trait

We pretty much always play Heirmir as Necrolords

Gemstone's procs once very 60s, so you would dump all of your SBS charges during those windows

You should get a weak aura to track it, here's the one I use:

http://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

[sand plume]

Sweet thank you. Other than the gemstone windows, just keep the bleed up right?

[limber lion]

You just apply SBS once

Then you dump during gemstones

If there's targets that don't have the bleed, you apply it to the

You don't "keep the bleed up"

[forest vigil]

should you be sbsing to spam out a bunch of envenoms during that + shiv window?

[limber lion]

it's an infinite bleed

[sand plume]

Oh

[limber lion]

If Shiv + Gemstones sync, then sure why not

but it's not something you work towards.

[forest vigil]

gotcha

thanks 🙂

[limber lion]

You don't hold Shiv to use it during Gemstones

My pleasure. :)

[sand plume]

And there’s no stacks of the bleed right? No matter how many times you use it, it’s just the same ticking damage yeah?

[limber lion]

Yes.

You apply it once and it's on the target forever and ever

[sand plume]

Neat.

[limber lion]

You don't add stacks or anything to it

Here's the priority list for it:

• Use SBS on targets that don't have the bleed yet, or;
• Use SBS to avoid overcapping, or;
• Use SBS during Gemstone Windows.

[sand plume]

Can you have more than the max amount of stacks of bleeds out as they recharge?

[limber lion]

Yes

There is no cap.

[sand plume]

I guess that priority list answered that.

[limber lion]

And (for example) if there's 3 targets and you use sbs on all 3

you would then wait for gemstone windows

another target joins the fight, you apply sbs to it instantly

then you start waiting for gemstone again

[sand plume]

Or if I reach cap before gemstone, use it to avoid capping?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[limber lion]

You would use the SBS before you actually cap

[sand plume]

Right.

[limber lion]

And if you know an add is about to die, which would refund a stack

you would use an sbs prior to that to avoid capping

[sand plume]

Mmm okay.

[limber lion]

So you're at 1 stack before you get the stack back

[small island]

whats the opener for necro in aoe with CT?

[sand plume]

Is holding onto stacks in anticipation for gemstone window a thing?

[limber lion]

With what talents?

In m+?

[small island]

ye m+

im running MA CT

vigor

[limber lion]

You shouldn't run MA

You should run Subt

with Zoldycks

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't try to micromanage stacks, it's not worth the optimization tbh

[limber lion]

With Slice n Dice up, you would:
gar - gar - gar - gar - ct - sbs - sbs - rup - sbs - rup

and continue applying ruptures to everything around you

[limpid quest]

can you explain gemstone up ??

[small island]

alright thanks chief!

[limber lion]

I already did earlier

[limber lion]

My pleasure.

[limpid quest]

k just sat down will scroll up

[gusty mirage]

just try to get a bonespike on everything that doesn't have it (the sbs damage is actually insane) and not to overcap and just dump whatever charges you have when gemstone procs @sand plume

[limber lion]

#assassination message

I've explained it quite a few times now Oxi.

:p

[sand plume]

Very good. Thank you.

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion

[limber lion]

It's okay

[gusty mirage]

I'll take my 34 vexiona parse and go away

[limber lion]

@limpid quest no worries mate!

[limber lion]

Nanana don't

[sand plume]

It’s hard to understand how SBS works when I only used it while leveling when I was forced. No access to WoW right now.

[limber lion]

I'm about to hit the store

[sand plume]

Appreciate all the explanations.

[gusty mirage]

yeah you'll get a better feel for it when you get to play around with it more

[limber lion]

It's pretty simple when you actually get down to it

and play around with it

[gusty mirage]

it seems like a lot but it really isn't

I thought the same thing until I switched

[sand plume]

Yeah for sure. Just gotta figure out the spec\rotation. That will come when I get back into it

[limber lion]

I mean

[sand plume]

Im sure those won’t meant solid until 9.1

[limber lion]

I don't know if it's a great idea to try to dump all of this info in your brain

if you're not near the computer

[sand plume]

Haha probably not.

[limber lion]

Just come back when you're near a computer

[gusty mirage]

^

[limber lion]

and it'll stick more easier

[gusty mirage]

when you get a chance to actually give it a shot on target dummies or anywhere in game

[sand plume]

Good point.

[gusty mirage]

cev never sleeps so you're safe to ask at a later time for the 400 iq insight

[limber lion]

This is correct

But if I am sleeping for whatever reason, oxi and Whispyr got your back

[shut garnet]

whispyr found an insomniac helper?

[gusty mirage]

it comes with the territory

[limber lion]

Something like that.

[sand plume]

Currently my view so I’ve got nothing else to do except ask questions.

[limber lion]

Damn :p

[gusty mirage]

okay I'm jelly af

[mossy python]

Hi guys, why its better to craft doomblade on cloack ? Currently its not better to have it on gloves ?

[sand plume]

Last day of vacation. Then, back to work.

[limber lion]

Currently it is yes

But in 9.1 it's not

because of domination sockets on gloves/shoulders.

[mossy python]

news gloves are better ? it is for this reason ?

ah ok

[limber lion]

Dom sockets, yeh.

[mossy python]

thx dude

[limber lion]

No worries mate

[mossy python]

Hope assassination will be good on next patch !

[spice spire]

So far it’s looking good

We shall see though

[limber lion]

It'll be great, no worries :p

[mossy python]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-noice-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-nice-gif-14234819

[sand plume]

Go to the store

[limber lion]

Soon

Gotta eat first

[maiden cliff]

hearing more about this gemstone build it feels nerco will be over all more fun than ven due to game play and higher skill cap. DO you guys agree

?

[limber lion]

Yes.

Necrolord is not only the better choice for most situations, it's generally a lot more fun as well, especially in aoe.

Flag/Sepsis/ER are all abilities that you just slam and pretty much forget about

SBS is very unique in that sense

[maiden cliff]

well im sold guess im changing tonight

[limber lion]

Great, welcome!

[maiden cliff]

from what i see anyway Ven only wins on single target and not by that much

[limber lion]

Correct.

[young idol]

you mean I gotta go necro after all this hardwork as sykoh the vampire slayer

[limber lion]

I don't think the Venthyr appreciate someone who slays their kin.

Probably better off in Maldraxxus.

[young idol]

I'm the Sl equivalent of blade

[past mauve]

Rough estimate on how long to switch to covenants and get to 40 renown?

[limber lion]

Switching to a new covenant is instant, getting to 31+ renown takes about 2 days.

40 renown is a bit hit or miss because it's very rng reliant.

Could be a week, could be 2.

But if you switch now, there's a high chance that you'll have it ready by 9.1.

[alpine latch]

Cev, what are you legendary plans for 9.1? Rank 5 Doomblade on Cloak, SBS rank 5 legendary the week after?

[limber lion]

Doomblade r6 asap, then Zoldyck r6 probably.

I'll just get most legendaries to rank 4

And leave them there

[alpine latch]

Zoldycks since it's better for progression?

[limber lion]

Possibly better yeah.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah if you do a normal and heroic clear you could theoretically get 20 renown which would speed it up. You can also spam heroics + keys for renown @past mauve

[limber lion]

We don't really know the numbers yet.

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I just know a lot of people like the execute damage for progression fights

[gusty mirage]

• renown from callings

[limber lion]

It's fine on some fights

But execute is not really a niche that you need on every boss.

It's important on bosses with execute dps checks, like Sire.

But like on Sludge you would never want to play Zoldyck because it's so much less overall damage

The entire fight is a dps check, instead of just the last phase.

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion I'm going to make an EU character I think :3

[limber lion]

Ooo nice :3 we can do some dungeons then

[alpine latch]

And SBS legendary wouldn't get made at all unless it dethrones Zoldyck for 3T+?

[limber lion]

Yep pretty much.

We're still waiting for the sims to see how it performs.

Still missing quite a few implements from the simc build.

[umbral rapids]

you guys play zolyck in any cleave/aoe ?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, just trying to see the reasoning behind things so then I don't have to ask later 🙂

[limber lion]

Only in 3t+

[sand plume]

Do you need rank 4 legendary to get 5/6?

[limber lion]

Yes

[umbral rapids]

aight

[limber lion]

Yeah, no worries :p

[umbral rapids]

you get enough for rank 4 in 3 weeks in 9.1 though @sand plume

[alpine latch]

You can craft straight to rank 5 - but you still have to pay the soul ash for it

[amber mountain]

For the time being Zoldyk is kind of my go-to for M+

[umbral rapids]

okok

[limber lion]

As it should.

[umbral rapids]

time to craft a stupid 190 doomblade

[limber lion]

Why?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I use Zoldyck for m+ but it MAY go to the SBS leggo depending on sims

[umbral rapids]

i haven't played sin at all this tier

[alpine latch]

It goes on cloak in 9.1. Don't craft it at all

[amber mountain]

Yeah, i'd hold off on doomblade until you can craft it on back

[limber lion]

We're getting 9.1 in 2 weeks

I don't think it's really advised to create a doomblade now

[amber mountain]

1.5 weeks

[limber lion]

just to render it useless in 2 weeks.

[alpine latch]

9.1 is in 2 weeks. You can probably go straight to rank 4 honestly.

[umbral rapids]

oh you can't put it on cloak yet ?

[limber lion]

No.

[alpine latch]

Nope, that's 9.1

It's shoulders/gloves right now

[umbral rapids]

smoge

i just feel like messing around learning sin in actual content before 9.1

[alpine latch]

You can start on the day 9.1 releases and make a rank 5 legendary that week - so don't worry about being behind.

[limber lion]

You can do that without a doomblade as well

it doesn't change the rotation whatsoever.

nothing changes.

[alpine latch]

Do it. Doomblade is a DPS increase but it doesn't change how you play the class.

[limber lion]

literally.

it's just passive damage.

[umbral rapids]

[umbral rapids]

chances are my outlaw leggo will be first rank 5 ^^

[alpine latch]

Slap on some poisons and go stab some shit

[alpine latch]

You're perfectly entitled to make bad decisions man. We're not here to judge.

[umbral rapids]

LOL

[visual prairie]

both legendaries are 100% passive. very boring

[limber lion]

Sure is.

Would have loved a legendary that alters our gameplay

but we don't really have em

[alpine latch]

Combat is fun, but I'd rather run with Sin since I find it more fun. I enjoy the rotational changes between true aoe and ST

[umbral rapids]

i aint judging

i like sin tbh

i never got weapons though lol

[alpine latch]

Your rotation changes as mob dies in m+. To me, that's far more fun than "Do I hate Blade Flurry and do everything the exact same as if I didn't hit it?"

[limber lion]

Each to their own.

[umbral rapids]

yeah yeah i'm not here to discuss why you don't like outlaw honestly

[alpine latch]

I mean, you should have a dagger for Outlaw in your OH

So you should already have 1

[umbral rapids]

just wondering what sin plays :)

[limber lion]

No worries Sym.

All is well.

[umbral rapids]

i actually didn't see any dagger lol

and i've been in sin spec loot for a whiiile

[alpine latch]

You have to go Sin/Sub loot spec to get daggers

[umbral rapids]

....

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

They don't drop if you're in Outlaw loot spec doofus, lol

[umbral rapids]

...................

[limber lion]

Might wanna read

what he just said

[gusty mirage]

cough

[umbral rapids]

i'm just

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I was already committed

I wasn't deleting it

lol

[umbral rapids]

doofus

[limber lion]

Alright, I'm going to the store

keep it civilized boys

[gusty mirage]

I'll hold down the fort until you get back

[sand plume]

[limber lion]

[sand plume]

Oxi, what’s the meaning of life?

[gusty mirage]

42

[sand plume]

Nice.

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

Solid. Great movie, even better book series

[shut flame]

Guys, could you please help a bit with aoe rotation - when should I go only for FoK/BT and omit direct dotting? at 5+ targets?

[gusty mirage]

FoK at 4+ targets, 3+ if you need to apply poisons

[limber lion]

4+, 3+

[gusty mirage]

oh

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

fr?

[limber lion]

We mutilate on 3

[gusty mirage]

lemme change that

GO TO THE STORE

but ty for correcting me

[limber lion]

[alpine latch]

He isn't even going to the store. He just wanted to catch you in a lie!

500IQ play by Cev

[shut flame]

CT as a finisher at 3+ targets?

I mean, muti + bt

[gusty mirage]

you want to maintain CT uptime in any aoe situation

so you'd juggle it with rupture and envenom in between to keep up slice and dice

[shut flame]

thanks!

[forest vigil]

my eyes are bleeding, what is bt

[red burrow]

Blood tempest i assume

[forest vigil]

tf is that

wait crimson?

ct?

cause i keep reading black temple

[red burrow]

Oh

Im dumb

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage love the new pfp

[gusty mirage]

one of my friends calls me toxi, so I figured I'd full embrace it

[spice spire]

Also yeah BT was definitely just a typo - meant CT

[gusty mirage]

OH I have to share my true toxicity with you

one sec

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

are we excited for renown farming?

(just in case kyrian is the go to out of nowhere)

[amber mountain]

it won't be

but I do like the story stuff 🙂

[sand plume]

Good thing I started as kyrian and never swapped

[gusty mirage]

[runic escarp]

in the pins it says craft doomblade on a cloak.

but you cant
do they mean shoulders instead of hands?

[gusty mirage]

poor Mord is stuck in January

You can in 9.1

[runic escarp]

o:

[gusty mirage]

they added a 3rd slot to a lot of legendaries because of the new domination socket stuff

[runic escarp]

oh sick

[sand plume]

I started playing a Druid so I could mythic raid. Now that I secured a raid spot, time to stab things

[gusty mirage]

[sand plume]

Hey that’s me.

[gusty mirage]

Again welcome home to the stabby boys

We've missed you

we have a lot of sims and passive aggressive memeing

[amber mountain]

And feelcraft 😄

[gusty mirage]

no we publicly shame feelcraft round these parts

[sand plume]

Ty ty. Again I’ve been playing rogue forever, but never really took part in conversations. Usually just took the info and ran. Like a true rogue.

I feel this expac is very involved with cov/legs that there’s so many ways to go that it warrants questions.

Once I get home and get my bearings, gonna be asking a lot about rotations.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah covenant & legendary can change things around a bit. But that's what we're here for help fellow rogues be the gamers we know they are

[south geode]

Is it true...is assassination going to be good in 9.1?

[spice spire]

We good rn homie. But yeah seems fine

[forest delta]

Yo guys, new to assa, where I can find a good video/guide to learn its rotation in raid scenario

[gusty mirage]

Assassination will def be poggers in raid

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gusty mirage]

!guide

check out the wowhead or IV ones

video guides kinda doo doo or outdated

[limpid quest]

Morico had a good comment
All 4 covenants are still very close in terms of power level, and each still provide useful things outside of just pure output. Don't feel forced to play a covenant you don't like for 200 sheet dps"

[spice spire]

No videos as they get outdated pretty quickly

[gusty mirage]

Except for kyrian, kyrian is doo doo for assa

the other 3 are good and within a small %

[limpid quest]

true

[gusty mirage]

but even then

it's not THAT big of a deal, ya know?

[forest delta]

still its hard to understand tricks like what spell to press before pressing another and such

[gusty mirage]

I can only personally speak on the IV guide but Seli did a good job with it

[limpid quest]

hex one sec will post for you

[forest delta]

coming from a outlaw its pretty hard to rely on poisons :))

[oblique flare]

too bad they didn't give us a way to destroy legendaries for some % of ash refund :p

[alpine latch]

I'm still debating if I want to start building out the wow analyzer profile for Sin for the new raid

[limpid quest]

this is a good guide for ya Hex

[forest delta]

the thing is, i'm necro, and gonna stay necro since the dmg difference is really low and I want to play outlaw in m+ too

but the guide should cover up the other things well if you say so, thank you !

[gusty mirage]

necro is the go-to for assassination in raid too

[limpid quest]

I like this macro to /cast Vendetta
/cast Flagellation

[gusty mirage]

it's close enough to venthyr in pure ST and is better anytime another target pops up

[forest delta]

thats why I'm not gonna change

currently this is my quick sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a4Gq6wLa7Mm3ufUaNWpCZz

[plain thistle]

dont

[gusty mirage]

but as for assassination ST opener as necro, you just sbs from stealth instead of mutilate

everything else is the same

[oblique flare]

Unless you pvp, you can stay venthyr as assa.

Otherwise hard swap

[forest delta]

btw, should I shiv before vendetta?

[gusty mirage]

you just shiv on cooldown

@balmy condor tested out some stuff when I noticed even on dslice the sim just full sends shiv on CD

[cerulean nest]

we talking shiv slam?

[gusty mirage]

slam it

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[drowsy parcel]

SLAM

[forest delta]

I'll do a sire hc run rn so I can log it to see what I'm doing wrong, I smell 20% parse

[gusty mirage]

nah give yourself some credit :3

you'll do great

[bleak sky]

wanted to check how dh is going to be on 9.1

go on dh discord
absolute shitshow

[gusty mirage]

dh discord is 24/7 shitshow

[bleak sky]

seems like all class discords are civil. all BUT dh

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

even when we have some beef over here it's somewhat civil

[limber lion]

What happened whilst I was gone?

[bleak sky]

but god fucking dammit DH disc is pure shit

[limber lion]

Didn't I tell you guys to be civilized

[forest delta]

for sire should I play crimson tempest?

[gusty mirage]

sorry papa @limber lion

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

[forest delta]

alr thanks

[spice spire]

We shiv slamming today boys?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-door-prank-funny-jelleton-gif-14886126

SLAM IT

[amber mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-body-slam-wrestling-slam-it-gif-16941740

[cerulean nest]

https://tenor.com/view/body-slam-gif-15595972

[sand plume]

https://tenor.com/view/woodstock-snoopy-tap-gif-11701530

Am I doing it right

[amber mountain]

This is the best class/spec discord 😄

[amber mountain]

Are you sub?

[sand plume]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-cartoon-slam-fight-gif-17791390

Oh right sorry

[forest delta]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

slammin shiv pov

[limber lion]

Good memes boys

but let's chill

[sand plume]

[amber mountain]

I mean, we could go the way of other class discords and talk about Euro 2020? (please no)

[celest bolt]

any information about 9.1? best legy for example? 🙂

[spice spire]

In the pins currently

[celest bolt]

Okey thank you bro 🙂

[spice spire]

Any time papi best of luck

[bleak sky]

can't wait to recraft doomblade on cloak and 1 week later dashing pulls ahead

[forest delta]

me who just crafted doom on hands 1h ago

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-huh-stupid-idiot-gif-5042504

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[limber lion]

Sounds great, sign me up

[coral imp]

does bonespike do more than mutilate?

[limber lion]

I mean

they're both generators

they both generate combo points

SBS adds a dot as well, Mutilate applies poisons

[coral imp]

just straight up

[limber lion]

Mutilate also applies Doomblade if you're using that

It's a very odd question

I mean, the base damage is higher on sbs yes

[coral imp]

the initial damage i guess

[limber lion]

Yeh

[sand plume]

Did I hear we’re supposed to SBS from stealth for opener if we’re MA?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sand plume]

[primal zodiac]

the higher basedamage is the reason to dump in gem window, right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

That and it benefits from Seal Fate so it can crit.

[sand plume]

Do we end up vanish+envenoming during our opener with MA as well?

[primal zodiac]

thought as much, but its good to doublecheck ^^

[balmy condor]

Or vanish mut

Doesn’t matter

As Long as it’s during shiv

[limber lion]

Aren't you on a phone?

[balmy condor]

Yea

[limber lion]

wtf

[balmy condor]

That’s why my first letters are capitalized

[limber lion]

man's fucking speedy gonzales right here

[balmy condor]

Dead giveaway

[sand plume]

Stop giving me options

[primal zodiac]

maybe he has preconstructed messages for common questions ^^

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I have a secret macro on my phone

I wonder if I could set up a script that auto answers questions from my computer

[bleak sky]

1 button to send the emoji

[cobalt pelican]

ai rise up

[sonic schooner]

if "?"
so

[balmy condor]

Just every 10-15 minutes send a “this is your reminder to check the pins if you have a question” in every spec channel

[spice spire]

I’ve seen worse ideas

[sudden brook]

whispyr

[whole bluff]

Before being able to write in chat, they must read all the pins and confirm

Also write a 500 word essay

[balmy condor]

Guy

[pure moth]

More like write "i will read pins"

[grand ridge]

Any time a message has a question mark in it

[pale fossil]

I swapped back to NF for the garden and this was a terrible mistake

I miss SBS

[forest vigil]

Traitor

[bleak sky]

actually using covenant's features

[limber lion]

Swapped... for the garden?

That's a first.

[soft shale]

he wanted mounts i guess

also you get a ton of free materials

i had garden at 4

was stonks

[sullen hollow]

craft new doomblade

fun

[limber lion]

Yep.

[pale fossil]

This

I'm a couple K anima away from level 5, and I just want the mounts haha

[bleak sky]

hey, can any of you link me your prog kill log from denathrius?

[pale fossil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QrazAK6TmkWgd87Z/#fight=last

[bleak sky]

ty alno

[pale fossil]

Sure thing.

I know my parse is bad, don't @ me

🙂

[bleak sky]

you got the kill, all that matters

you can care about parse after getting CE

[limber lion]

The only sire kill on my profile is the prog kill

[delicate cedar]

Completely new to Assa, crimson tempest is a different dot to rapture right? so i apply both to as many targets in aoe? and with SBS i use on CD and spread it onto as many enemies as i can?

[bleak sky]

casual 99 on a prog kill

[limber lion]

Yes, you just maintain CT on all targets at all times.

You use SBS on all targets around you that don't have sbs on them yet

But after that you wait for gemstone windows.

You apply ruptures to everything that you can

making sure to Envenom once in a while to maintain SnD

[limber lion]

It was a 100 when I got it, but someone did 7 dps more with 2 PI's like 10 hours later

:(

[delicate cedar]

thanks :D

[limber lion]

[bleak sky]

thanks for the logs, guys

last week to get CE and I just wanna make sure i'm not the one slacking

[limber lion]

I mean, you can get CE during the first week of 9.1 as well

[bleak sky]

O

[delicate cedar]

how come in the IV guide for opener, you dont use Ambush?

[bleak sky]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[bleak sky]

wait wrong one

[limber lion]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[bleak sky]

but IIRC we mutilate from stealth to benefit from MA

[untold verge]

9.1 can we craft on cloak??

[bleak sky]

oh thanks cev, you got the one I was looking for

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Np

[delicate cedar]

so we just dont ambush at all unless we use blindside?