assassination

[limber lion]

I need to get better at it.

[desert rain]

And now I can't decide whether I'm going to main rogue or Furry next patch

[limber lion]

Shouldn't be a hard choice

[cobalt pelican]

20% dr/20k shield is very very good compared to.. door of shadows

but i guess it's more for progress than

[limber lion]

Yeah definitely is

[cobalt pelican]

700th week of reclear

[sonic schooner]

i used fleshcraft a lot during sire progress because of the 20% less dmg taken while casting it, very usefull on p3 seeds

and p1 cleansing pain

[limber lion]

It's good on Pride's as well in m+.

[sonic schooner]

not necessary, but it helped our healers

[desert rain]

I've been playing rogue for the last 10 year I think, and war was refreshing but now that is is actually my time to shine

[limber lion]

I just need to get into the habit of pressing it more.

[limber lion]

I started in Cataclysm, still going strong. :')

[cyan kite]

I use it as a bit of a last resort, like a 2nd feint if required

[desert rain]

Yeah fleshcraft feels so good

[limber lion]

Yep, it's great and should definitely be used more often.

[sonic schooner]

Not gonna talk in pvp where fleshcraft literraly shine because of the first souldbind conduits also kreygasm

[desert rain]

You really feel like you have a Def cd for everything as a rogue necro

[limber lion]

Just need to get a raid wide utility tool as well.

[cyan kite]

door of shadows is definitely the most cov secondary

[limber lion]

I disagree

Kyrian is very underwhelming.

[sonic schooner]

kyrian and venthyr tbh

both of them

[limber lion]

DoS still has some uses

[sonic schooner]

feels 💤

[cyan kite]

2nd cloak that drops bleeds? felt good when I had it

and heals

[limber lion]

2nd cloak?

I wouldn't go that far.

[cobalt pelican]

phial is good in keys, basically only had 1 use in raid i think

[limber lion]

Yeah agree

[cyan kite]

yeah I guess I'm thinking more in keys

[limber lion]

DoS is definitely the worst one out of the bunch for m+.

[amber mountain]

Yeah. Get rid of the cast time and it's suddenly useful. But no...

they took that away in beta

Door of Shadows was good for exploration and getting places I shouldn't. But i can pop over to outlaw and grapple to 99% of those, and even get to some that I can't with DoS

[limber lion]

It would be too op and would mean that the soulbind traits would have to be reworked.

[amber mountain]

Yep

[limber lion]

They did reduce the cast time already

[amber mountain]

Yeah, but it's still not something you'd ever want to use in combat

[limber lion]

Well, not in m+

But definitely do in PvP

And some instances in the raid.

[amber mountain]

I could see that

[thorny pond]

Feels like a worse version of soulshape

Maybe a reverse life grip type thing

[amber mountain]

with verticality

[limber lion]

The range is quite a bit bigger on DoS.

[warm parcel]

shorter cd too

[thorny pond]

Necro is defensive abosrb, Phial is phial, Shoulshape and door are both movement based abilities

[obsidian willow]

Do you guys use a mouseover macro for garrote? Or do you tab-target?

[odd heath]

I tab target

[limber lion]

I use a modifier-mouseover for garrote, but I very rarely use it.

I just tab-target everything.

[odd heath]

I use mouseover to snipe sbs and mfd(when I play outlaw)

[limber lion]

If I press the button normally, it just uses garrote on my target, if I press the modifier it uses it on the mouseover target.

I personally don't use mouseovers pretty much at all, I just find myself using SBS on a wrong target because my mouse is god knows where

[hollow escarp]

isn't that mostly an outlaw thing because they lose melee swings on BTE target?

I guess we also lose them if we target a mob out of melee range to SBS

[limber lion]

I mean, it stays true for Sin as well if we use Shiv on a target.

But yeah, it's not that big of a deal.

[vestal wren]

you can just use mouseover macro to sbs

and don't lose anything

[amber mountain]

I use a mouseover for SBS but I'm also a click-targeter

[hollow escarp]

yes

[limber lion]

Just like we've been saying Fuu

[pale fossil]

Yeah, but on the other side of things, if you only use mouseover than you don't apply any poisons to the next target.

[limber lion]

lol

[pale fossil]

For what it's worth.

[hollow escarp]

you can't only use mouseover

unless your macro is bad

if you hold right click, it will sbs your current target

[obsidian willow]

Assassination is so hard in m+ when you’re used to outlaw lmao

[amber mountain]

My macro is awesome 😛

[obsidian willow]

Tab targeting is annoying

[pale fossil]

I know people in here that use SBS and Rupture mouseover macros for cleave situations, and I'm not sure that's worth it.

[hollow escarp]

the macro in #outlaw pins is good enough so you shouldn't have targeting issues

[warm parcel]

its not about worth

its about whats comfy

or what you used to

[drowsy coral]

Having no range is more annoying to me

[limber lion]

I've played using tab-targetting for a decade

I'm not gonna just suddenly change to something else.

Unless if it's a million times better and actually has a valid reason for it.

[polar cape]

Yeah no mouse gang

[warm parcel]

One time I mouseovered mfd was on sazziin

[cobalt pelican]

mouseover garrote and rupture lead to having to target/fok anyway unless you're blessed and poison procs on your bleed application

[limber lion]

Yeh, not worth.

[warm parcel]

Time for the yearly flex

https://i.imgur.com/Cg1OeFr.png

SB uptime

[cobalt pelican]

i kinda like mouseover sbs, but just not in massive pulls

[amber mountain]

I've actually been trying to get used to tab targeting for M+ openers, it's faster for applying garrote

[cobalt pelican]

gaming

[limber lion]

What a gamer.

[hollow escarp]

wtf is that uptime

[warm parcel]

This was when folks were all toying around with dfa

But mfd was the play

[limber lion]

Well, it's the same speed

Still locked to 1s per gcd

with and without tab targetting

[amber mountain]

Yep

But the tab targeting seems to be pretty good at picking targets I haven't hit yet, whereas in some M+ situations where the pull is moving click or mouse-over targeting can get dicey

[limber lion]

Definitely. The tab-targeting is actually really good and smart nowadays

[warm parcel]

Ye tab should generally cycle thru all targets before starting over

[limber lion]

They've done quite a bit with it.

Camera position matters as well

[amber mountain]

It definitely improved from before I stopped playing years ago in the MOP beta

[limber lion]

You get used to it very quickly and you can find very specific mobs in a huge pack by just using your camera properly.

Yeah, I think they did a huge tab-targetting functionality overhaul in early bfa or something like that.

And made it much more smarter.

and better to play with

[amber mountain]

I came back in BFA and just naturally fell back into click targeting because of how much garbage tab target used to be

[limber lion]

I mean

if you're used to click targeting, just stick to it

There's no reason to swap around

Just play what's comfortable for you

[amber mountain]

Yep

I've just been struggling during certain affixes that require the tank to kite

[scenic root]

Plater also helps with stacking. That one add casting an ability I need to kick, you can see it. And seems like tab target switches you to that target most of the time

[amber mountain]

my god i hate that kiting is a thing for so many affixes

Oh i LOVE plater

[limber lion]

Is it?

I haven't had much experience with kiting in Shadowlands.

Tanks just stand still and tank everything nowadays.

[hollow escarp]

I don't really have to kite, my tank keeps aggro

[amber mountain]

Not me kiting, the tank kiting

Necrotic in particular

[limber lion]

Legion used to be the expansion of kiting

[hollow escarp]

necrotic got nerfed hard though

[amber mountain]

Though that looks like it's getting the nerf bat in 9.1

[scenic root]

It's not an aggro issue, it's the tank taking one shot hits from a pack of 10 mobs.

[limber lion]

You would pull everything and just kite the mobs around the dungeon

Necrotic is the only affix that I can think of that requires kiting honestly.

[amber mountain]

It's very fresh in my mind after running some lower guildies through mid keys last night

[scenic root]

Anything above an 17 requires cc+kiting to survive

[limber lion]

Eh

Not really.

I mean, using your cc abilities is a given

But it's not like everyone just gets oneshot if you don't cc.

At least shouldn't.

[scenic root]

You pugged recently XD. People don't cc.

[limber lion]

They don't.

But they don't need to

Because the tank doesn't die even if the mobs are not cc'd

As long as you cc the important casts, you're good.

It's a different story in 25's

[scenic root]

I'm doing 17-18s and the tanks seem to die instantly. But either way, kiting means less healing needed and easier time so a moot point. People just need to kick/cc more overall

[drowsy coral]

Depending on your dps comp, kiting is not always the best

[limber lion]

Well, that's on your tank then.

[drowsy coral]

An ele sham will hate you if you kite 24/7

[limber lion]

They definitely should not die in 17-18's

They need to press their defensive cd's more

Or something

[amber mountain]

I have a tank for guild runs (2 tanks actually depending on what level people want to run) and unless I have members from my actual M+ group with me, I end up being the only one that uses any interrupts. It's like 99% of people don't even have them on their bar

[vestal wren]

mfd ^^

[limber lion]

Idk, it really depends on which keys, what key level and with whom you do the keys with.

I'm doing 20's and the tanks never die and people interrupt just fine.

[amber mountain]

In my case, I think it has more to do with "who i do the key with"

[warm parcel]

It brings back memories

All the cdr

[amber mountain]

Yeah, on my rogue I'm just getting into 16's because that's where my normal group is

[limber lion]

I honestly just don't play M+.

[drowsy coral]

If you play with guildies why are you guys not assigning kicks

[amber mountain]

On my monk and my warrior, i can tank 10's but we're always short on DPS or heals

[vestal wren]

it was a fun tier

[amber mountain]

Oh, we do. But outside of ~5-6 people in my guild, most are... less than stellar

And those 5-6 people are my regular M+ team

[vestal wren]

also only a very small amount of players did not go dfa

so you are one of the few selected

[scenic root]

Why do 20s when you don't M+ much

[limber lion]

Make SecTec baseline, only ST and buff its damage by 500%. DFA without the animation locking.

[limber lion]

I don't do 20's anymore.

I mean, I used to do 20's and 21's.

But haven't done m+ in months

[obsidian willow]

Do you use fan of knives already on 2 target cleave? Or nahh?

[limber lion]

No, we only use FoK on 4+ targets.

[obsidian willow]

Ohh…

4 targets wow ok

[limber lion]

We can use it on 3 targets to spread bleeds, but only use it instead of Mutilate in 4+

Even on 3 targets you just Mutilate.

[obsidian willow]

Oh wow ok thanks

[scenic root]

You use CT on 2 targets tho

[hollow escarp]

you use CT even on single target

[limber lion]

You just don't talent into it in ST.

[scenic root]

True, depends on movement in fight

[limber lion]

But you do on 2t.

[hollow escarp]

yep

[scenic root]

Lots of movement, CT.

[hollow escarp]

situations such as m+ or cleave bosses like Sire

[limber lion]

Well, it depends on the rest of the encounter as well. :p

[hollow escarp]

still use CT if there is only 1 target

[limber lion]

Yep.

[mellow pier]

Outside of shiv yeah

[hollow escarp]

I haven't checked APL, how do we open with CT on sire for example?

after shiv window?

[limber lion]

After Shiv yes

[hollow escarp]

so while ads start dying

[mellow pier]

I don’t even CT first set of adds tbh

[warm parcel]

It was that boss only

[limber lion]

On Huntsman you would use it during Shiv.

[mellow pier]

My pc can’t handle it lol

[warm parcel]

Cause of there were so many resets

[limber lion]

Sire p1 is a different kind of beast for sure.

[warm parcel]

I played assa elsewhere mostly

[vestal wren]

what was also not common

[amber mountain]

but only to apply the bleed. Direct damage isn't good enough on CT until what? 4+ targets? 5+?

I'm fuzzy on that bit

[limber lion]

Never.

[hollow escarp]

dot uptime

[obsidian willow]

If i have to refresh bleeds and have shiv on CD, should i just use shiv even tho i cant envenom or should i refresh my bleeds first before shiving?

[limber lion]

We never spam CT.

[mellow pier]

There was a boss I didn’t go dfa for

[limber lion]

You should never let your bleeds drop.

[mellow pier]

I forgot which lol

[limber lion]

You have pandemic on your bleeds, so use it.

Are you aware of the pandemic mechanic?

[obsidian willow]

So hold shiv?

And yes i am

[limber lion]

You always slam Shiv if Rupture is on the target.

That is the only condition

[hollow escarp]

after 400 pulls with PB I won't mess with CT, I already have P1 and P2 on autopilot

[mellow pier]

If u have a choice of CT or envenom pick envenom during shiv

[limber lion]

You can hold Shiv for 12ish seconds if Vend is coming up

But just slam it

[mellow pier]

I’m sure there’s situations where that isn’t the case

[limber lion]

And then reapply bleeds during the Shiv window.

[mellow pier]

But easier that way

[raven vapor]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[dull cloak]

i slam shiv and forget, is that right play for aoe

[limber lion]

Pretty much only on multiple targets.

[limber lion]

Yes.

[mellow pier]

Yeah

[limber lion]

You slam it and keep applying bleeds to everything.

[spice spire]

Shiv slammers?

[hollow escarp]

nothing too much to minmax other than be in melee range

[mellow pier]

But it’s just easier to tell people not to worry about specific cases

[limber lion]

Yep.

[mellow pier]

And they can figure that out on their own

[limber lion]

Well, I don't necessarily agree with that.

AoE and ST are not exactly

"specific cases"

You slam Shiv on AoE, you use CT during Shiv

[mellow pier]

I feel like the cases where it’s obvious it’s obvious

[limber lion]

You slam Shiv on ST, you use Envenom during Shiv.

[mellow pier]

And the ones where it isn’t won’t matter much

[amber mountain]

So even up to 8 targets there's never a time where the ~950 direct damage per each target makes sense? I've only been applying it as a maintenance to keep DOTs up, and I keep getting into arguments with the other rogue in my M+ groups over it's usage

[limber lion]

I don't think you should generalize

And say "always Envenom"

becuse it's not true for most situations.

[limber lion]

Yes.

You always apply the bleed only

and keep applying ruptures and using Envenom to prolong SnD.

[amber mountain]

Ok, that's what I've been doing

[mellow pier]

Also

Tab muts

Btw

[limber lion]

The frequency in how often you can use CT gets shorter

[mellow pier]

When u can

[limber lion]

the more targets you have

[limber lion]

Huh?

[drowsy coral]

tab mut ?

[limber lion]

What is this in reference to?

[hollow escarp]

doomblade bleed?

[limber lion]

Why do you tab mute

[mellow pier]

Doom blade dot

[limber lion]

No

You don't do that

[hollow escarp]

hmm

[mellow pier]

???

[limber lion]

Doomblade does not work like that

[mellow pier]

On sire u don’t? Lol

[drowsy coral]

Here we go again

[limber lion]

That's just legit misinformation.

ON ANY

encounter

you NEVER

do it

Doomblade does NOT work like that.

The damage compounds

Meaning it works like Fire Mage's ignite

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure he means the doomblade bleed, not the damage amp

[limber lion]

Yes

[mellow pier]

^

[limber lion]

So am I.

you don't apply

[obsidian willow]

Ok so, just use shiv on CD regardless and priority is always refresh bleeds even during a shiv window, correct?

[limber lion]

the extra bleed

to other targets

You only do it on one target.

[real solar]

@limber lion what do you think about paying a mage to poly spam shades and I spam mutilate on them on huntsman

:^)

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Yes.

[obsidian willow]

Even during a vendetta window?

[hollow escarp]

I think I'm missing something

[limber lion]

Doomblade's dot compounds

There is 0 reason to use it on multiple targets

You Mutilate one target, you apply a 45% bleed

You mutilate it again, you add ANOTHER 45% bleed on top of it

You don't extend the old bleed by 1s

You literally add another 45% bleed on top

So you have 2 bleeds on top of each other

[mellow pier]

No

[limber lion]

both ticking at their own rates

[limber lion]

?

[mellow pier]

If it’s not in the target

U put it on the target

[limber lion]

No you don't

If there's 3 targets

You mutilate one target

And only one target

You don't tab muti other targets to add the Doomblade dot on everything

There is 0 reason to do that

[mellow pier]

Is it not just that NH 2pc?

[limber lion]

Wut

What does those abbreviations even mean

Let's say you do Huntsman

[hollow escarp]

nighthold 2 piece bonus set

[limber lion]

You do NOT mutilate both targets to get the doomblade bleed on both

[hollow escarp]

but why?

[limber lion]

The ONLY reason why you would mutilate the target, is to apply poisons

[limber lion]

?`?????????????????????????

[drowsy coral]

lmao

poor Cev

[limber lion]

I literally explained it like

3 times now

And even gave an example

Here, let me do it in all caps and bold

[hollow escarp]

I've read everything you said

I might just be dumb 🙂

[mellow pier]

Same

[limber lion]

DOOMBLADE'S DOT (MUTILATED FLESH) COMPOUNDS AND WORKS SIMILARLY TO FIRE MAGE'S IGNITE.

[twilit hollow]

Can u do it In smoke signals for me

[limber lion]

Let me show you what the wikipedia says about Ignite

[hollow river]

So what you’re saying Cev

[hollow river]

Is we should tab mut

[frigid kestrel]

O God it feels good to just sit back, Lurk, and watch magic happen

[limber lion]

"IF THIS EFFECT IS REAPPLIED, ANY REMAINING DAMAGE WILL BE ADDED TO THE NEW IGNITE"

Meaning that you do not

get any

ANY

extra damage

from mutilating a second target

You ALWAYS apply the full Doomblade dot on a target

[drowsy coral]

I think he means we should hold shiv, not sure

[mellow pier]

But ignite works on multiple targets

[limber lion]

Even if it has one

Save me

[warm parcel]

are you guys trolling

or what the fuck

[limber lion]

WEAK

PLEASE

HELP

[warm parcel]

chief its nurux

[thorny pond]

I’m sorry bud. Gonna buy everyone a math book

[limber lion]

I don't know what to say anymore

Am I just explaining it very poorly

is it me

[thorny pond]

No

[frigid kestrel]

#SlamShiv, and yea i can say it, its been 2 days since Slmming Shiv was abused

[thorny pond]

It makes sense

[hollow river]

But poisons. You said !

[limber lion]

Yeah, the only reason you'd mutilate a second target is to apply poisons on the target

Not because you want to apply the doomblade dot on a target.

[warm parcel]

like what are you even arguing bout

[limber lion]

you need poisons for VW to function

[frigid kestrel]

I legit think people are trolling

[limber lion]

2 dudes are saying that it's worth mutilating multiple targets with Doomblade

And I've explained it 5 times now

why it does not matter

at all

[frigid kestrel]

But to answer your question they are talking about the value (or lack there of) that Mutilating a second target for Doomblade is.

[hollow escarp]

so if I mutilate target 1, and then mutilate target 2, the doomblade bleed from target 1 moves to target 2?

[thorny pond]

1+1 = 2 regardless of if the 2 dots are on 2 targets or reapplied on the same target

[hollow escarp]

that's what I understand from this

[limber lion]

No

Then both of the targets

Have 1 Mutilate dot on them

If you mutilate one target twice

[hollow river]

Nurux wasn’t trolling

[limber lion]

The main target has

2 Mutilate dots on now

If you mutilate one target a third time, you add a third dot on top

[frigid kestrel]

Kojack knows better

[hollow river]

So FoK 2 target cleave for poisons. Got it.

[frigid kestrel]

or at least i thought he did

[limber lion]

[thorny pond]

We're gonna lose one of our best rogues because you jerks can't do maths

[hollow escarp]

I need to login now

[twilit hollow]

Deep breaths cev

[hollow escarp]

tbf, I don't tab target

[limber lion]

@balmy condor help

[warm parcel]

okay but Im still not sure what part of cevs explanation is unclear

[hollow river]

I need a poison tracker

[balmy condor]

Hm

[warm parcel]

each mut just bleeds after its cast

[limber lion]

THANK YOU

[subtle gyro]

seems pretty straight forward to me..

[frigid kestrel]

Because it is

[balmy condor]

What are we stupiding today?

[limber lion]

Can you, in your mother tongue, explain why using Doomblade on multiple targets does not matter, please

[hollow escarp]

so the doomblade bleed doesn't work like garrote/rupture? it doesn't overwrite the previous bleed?

[limber lion]

Some people are saying that you should tab-muti several targets when playing Doomblade and I've explained that it does not matter whatsoever

[limber lion]

NO.

[hollow escarp]

well that makes more sense

[balmy condor]

Mut do damage, doomblade do damage based on mut damage.
If doomblade already doing damage, you add the new doomblade damage to the current doomblade damage

[limber lion]

Like I said 5+ times, it works like Ignite and the damage compounds

[hollow escarp]

I don't mage

[limber lion]

That's why I explained it

in simple terms

5+ times as well

[warm parcel]

well you sure as hell dont lock either but pandemic is a lock passive originally too

[drowsy parcel]

why many word when few do trick

[real solar]

How does doomblade work

[warm parcel]

blizz and adapting unique spells

[balmy condor]

Like goblin

[real solar]

DRAGON

[limber lion]

Ok, time to eat.

[subtle gyro]

good god

[drowsy coral]

Cev blood pressure

[pale fossil]

How does Doomblade interact with Bubble Wand

[limber lion]

Haven't sweat this much in a while

[spice spire]

Miracles..

Unlucky chat

[subtle gyro]

getting that keyboard cardio today 🙂

[twilit hollow]

Cevs new nightmare involves 2 training dummys. A classroom of obtuse rogues. And doomblade

[pale fossil]

The training dummies are tank dummies. Obtuse Rogue 1 dies.

[spice spire]

Cev: “I hate when assassination is a wasteland.”
That was a monkey paw statement

[pure moth]

Renaming to doomblade

[hollow escarp]

TIL

[warm parcel]

suppose its not explained anywhere

but yeah its the "ignite" mechanic of wow

[hollow escarp]

tbf, I always played it correctly

just never understood it

[warm parcel]

Like theres no difference in having it on many targets or just one

[limber lion]

Think about a fire mage

[warm parcel]

It just doesnt matter

[spice spire]

And now we know

[limber lion]

throwing pyroblasts on 4 different targets

tab - pyro - tab - pyro - tab - pyro

gotta get that ignite on everything

[mellow pier]

@limber lion whispyr ELI5 I just didn’t know blizz changed it from legion lmfao

[hollow river]

But cev if it is not in the pins how can we believe

[hollow escarp]

but is it a dps loss if you mut a 2nd target?

[spice spire]

[warm parcel]

I mean I presume you wanna pply poisons to that 2nd target

Thats why youre muting

[limber lion]

Next time I'll just call one of the green boys instantly

[warm parcel]

Just take a breather

[limber lion]

Yeah, food break brb

[drowsy parcel]

@limber lion whats the pandemic timer on doomblade?

[hollow escarp]

should have seen what I did here when I asked about snapshotting, people instantly assumed I thought there is a haste breakpoint

[spice spire]

Oh god that’s an egregious troll

[hollow escarp]

no, I just want to understand how bleeds work now

[grave trail]

So the duration on doomblade does not matter in that context?

[warm parcel]

[balmy condor]

Aight here we go

I’m gonna type this once

And pin it for like 20 minutes

[warm parcel]

dont

let there be chaos

[shrewd night]

I cant believe you went through all that work using words

instead of just: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CantqVWxkHRF1XBw#fight=43&type=damage-taken&view=events&hostility=1&target=25&ability=340431

[hollow river]

I’m only joking, pls don’t hurt me

[limber lion]

Holy fuck that made me laugh out loud

Thanks Shien, I needed that

Phew

I'm a happy boy now

[spice spire]

They couldn’t read words, you think logs help?

[limber lion]

Got my shrimps

[hollow river]

This

[spice spire]

But there’s legitimate questioning and troll questioning. I feel some was earnest but some was just

[shrewd night]

Also, friendly every day reminder; This isnt a channel to be trolling, if you are being obtuse on purpose to frustrate our friendly neighborhood bleedybois, unpaid vacation to underbelly will be given

[limber lion]

Should've probably just linked a log of me mutilating Barghast Shades

[warm parcel]

I mean nuru wasnt

[spice spire]

[warm parcel]

He just assumed it worked like he membered it did back in NH

Hence the confusion

But as the chaos plane that RH is

[balmy condor]

Let’s say doomblade does 100 damage total, per application. If you mut target 1, that’s 100 damage. If you tab and mut target 2, that’s also 100 damage. The damage however compounds on itself, so let’s go back to the beginning. You mut target 1, that’s 100 damage. You then instantly mut target 1 again for another 100 damage. That is a total of 200 damage, because the damage simply adds on top of itself. No pandemic, remaining time, or anything required. It’s a simple 100+100, every time. No damage loss

[hollow river]

I’m going to make everyone a doomblade pandemic tracker.

[warm parcel]

There was only chaos to be had

[mellow pier]

Legit I troll a lot

[spice spire]

Nor was Ko, it really was confusion

[mellow pier]

I wasn’t trolling this time

[hollow escarp]

I mean, you can read the entire conversation. I was trying to understand how it works and apparently it's wrong to not understand things.

[spice spire]

There was some trolling tho unlucky

[warm parcel]

All sides of the convo just jumped the gun

lol

so it didnt go anywhere

[grave trail]

Its just 100 damage done over the 8 seconds?

Or whatever long db is

[hazy crater]

oh no

[balmy condor]

Well the damage obviously depends on your character, 100 is an example

It could do a million for all I care

[grave trail]

Yeah using example

[balmy condor]

The math is the same

But yes

It’ll do that insert damage over the allotted time

[hollow river]

Oh. This is the first I’ve heard this. My b

[spice spire]

I deadass didn’t know it was compounding but when he said “same as ignite” I understood. But not everyone knows how ignite works - this was a good learning experience

[twilit hollow]

Tldr there is no way to game extra damage in MT with doomblade. You were doing that damage ST anyways

[spice spire]

Non-troll answer

[mellow pier]

I still will tab mut on some bosses for poison anyways lol

[hollow escarp]

I had to google compounding

[balmy condor]

Correct. The only way to game it is to use mut on things like shades/sludge pillars, which would increase the damage of the mut, and thus the damage of doomblade. But the dot is always the damage of the mut that triggers it, regardless of any other factors

[limber lion]

The frustrating part is that I explained it in very simple terms and it still wasn't apparently clear

[balmy condor]

Yep, 2 target tab mut for poisons, 3 target fan for poisons

[grave trail]

Yeah I think most people where confused cause they thought it worked like a regular bleed where you want to spread it on diff targets but I get it now

[mellow pier]

I just don’t know why blizzard rips a set bonus and changes it lol

[limber lion]

Like, I spend most of my time in #assassination and I play the spec for 10+ hours every day

[warm parcel]

Are you sure it didnt ignite back then too

[mellow pier]

Yeah I’m like 99% sure

I remember it being a thing

[balmy condor]

I don’t remember it igniting either to be fair, but it was a long time ago

[warm parcel]

I legit have no clue

Just wondering

[pale fossil]

Padding on shades

[spice spire]

I figured, you’re not one to troll

[final sky]

is zoldyck a 100% drop

[mellow pier]

The only padding on huntsman is to hope to buff works this pull

[spice spire]

Unethical gameplay

[final sky]

if i do it on l8

[balmy condor]

It’s close to it

[final sky]

so is it worth doing l7 and then l8

or just l8

[pale fossil]

Why do you think I only had Whispyr review my Hungering and Shriekwing logs

[balmy condor]

You can get it from twisting corridors as well

[pale fossil]

[limber lion]

All is well brethren.

[dull cloak]

imagine not padding kek

[balmy condor]

Not really sure, they both take roughly the same time, and the drop rates are roughly the same

[final sky]

but if i do l7 and then l8 do i not get two chances

cause its 3+

[mellow pier]

@warm parcel was VW limited back in legion like it is now?

Idr

[spice spire]

Idk man, the logs are just lost, someone had some connection issues

[balmy condor]

If you do l8 and then l8 and then a twisting corridors, and then a l8, you would even have 4 chances

[final sky]

what

[warm parcel]

limited?

[livid temple]

Now that we have some actual numbers for Sylvanas' dagger how good is it looking?

[balmy condor]

You just keep running it

[limber lion]

Bad

[balmy condor]

Awful

[pale fossil]

Brutal.

[final sky]

wait so i can just spam l8s?

[warm parcel]

If you like the dagger doing 15 dps

and losing out on more than 100 dps from stats

sure its great

[balmy condor]

Yup should be able to spam l3’s as well if you’re into that

Since it starts dropping from 3’s

[livid temple]

Ahhh so hopefully they tune it a little better or else you shouldn't even bother with it?

[final sky]

awesome, i just thought u could do it once and then that was it.. no more loot

[balmy condor]

You won’t get the normal loot, but the legendary is on a different loot system

[final sky]

thats great 😄 thanks

[grave trail]

Anyways thank you Cev and Whispyr TIL

[balmy condor]

Np

[balmy condor]

Not sure, might have to bother with it just cause it’s high ilvl

But as of right now the effect is pure trash

[livid temple]

@balmy condor sad to hear, the bow looks very cool and I was hoping the dagger would be looking like a flat out worth while pick

[balmy condor]

It would be if they decided to just 5x the numbers

[livid temple]

Hopefully they do that 😅 at least they still have time to tune it better

[limber lion]

Np

[cyan kite]

hmm.. DS is actually simming 100/300 dps higher than Vigor for me in 2T/3T patchwerk

EP is like 900 DPS over BS though in 3T

[balmy condor]

Yeah in sustained aoe ep/deeper will sim higher

Being capped on energy will do that

[warm parcel]

Theres also the one and only correct talent on the row

[balmy condor]

Mfd single target is kinda weirdchamp

[spice spire]

What an absolute chad, for MfD on ST

[warm parcel]

Nonbelievers I tell you

[balmy condor]

But in dungeons with resets

Purty gud

[alpine latch]

Vigor just feels so much better to play than DS though 😕

[spice spire]

Vigor over caps so easily though, especially if venthyr

[alpine latch]

I don't really cap on energy

[balmy condor]

It’s okay, we’ll all get more haste with more gear in 9.1 and everyone gets to play ep deeper

:)

[spice spire]

Whispyr…

Are you implying the S word?

[balmy condor]

I’m implying that talents change with haste yes

We went from bs vigor

[alpine latch]

More often than not if I'm capping on energy with Vigor it's because I'm moving

[balmy condor]

To bs deeper

[dull cloak]

i play deeper on slg, feels no dif than vig so why not

[balmy condor]

And we’re on track for ep deeper

[spice spire]

Ep Deeper

Is my favorite combination so huge

[warm parcel]

ep mfd into 4 envenoms in shiv

[balmy condor]

Shut it weak

[spice spire]

Weak trolling in his own channel

[warm parcel]

Ill convert yall one at the time

[hollow escarp]

CT single target when?

[warm parcel]

get out

[pale fossil]

[spice spire]

That’s cursed

[hollow escarp]

yeah

don't like it either

[balmy condor]

You hate him but it’s actually worth with zold, ep deeper, and enough haste

Idk if 9.1 makes it possible

[alpine latch]

When you're on a boss in m+

[balmy condor]

But 9.2 I think does

[dull cloak]

hidden blades when

[spice spire]

I don’t hate Koj

[hollow river]

Seen mfd on top of some mythic logs on leaderboard

[spice spire]

But also I guess since all of our abilities have been buffed nonsensically it makes sense

[hollow escarp]

I did a patchwerk execute sim and nadjia sims better with CT

[warm parcel]

Thinking theres going to be more patches this expansion

9.1 is last patch of xpac

2 years of it

[balmy condor]

True

[hollow escarp]

lmao

[spice spire]

9.0.5*

[real solar]

I cant wait for BFA classic for the expedient build :^)

[alpine latch]

Jokes on you, last patch is 9.0.7 where it's just a bug fix for animations being broken

[limber swallow]

Ion promised me 9.2.. also, GC promised me a pony.

[warm parcel]

Nana 9.1 next week

[gusty mirage]

Does 9.1.5 count as 9.1 still?

[spice spire]

9.1 is the next expansion

[hollow escarp]

9.0.5 was 9.1 all along

[pale fossil]

9.2 is when we get smoke bomb back.

[gusty mirage]

If so then we may have a 2.5 year 9.1

[warm parcel]

At this point

[balmy condor]

[warm parcel]

Riots MMO is out before 9.1

[limber swallow]

time works differently in the shadowlands... didn't you guys all understand the real meaning behind that..

[spice spire]

The real 9.1 are the friends you made along the way

[gusty mirage]

It’s a semi-valid question

[balmy condor]

It does say 9.1 in the front though

[balmy condor]

The real 9.1 is the mage you made along the way

[limber lion]

No raid next week :(

[warm parcel]

VIINAA

[real solar]

Same Cev, same 😦

[spice spire]

Stop this.

[hollow escarp]

wanna raid with us Cev?

[real solar]

how am I supposed to know how doomblade works if I can’t raid

[gusty mirage]

Emotionally 9.0.5 is not 9.0 though not to me at least

[sonic schooner]

i would say

exsanguinate when

[gusty mirage]

I was lost in pirate land until 9.0.5

[pale fossil]

I was forced to make a warrior along the way

[limber lion]

I guess a break would do good

Before the insanity that is 9.1

whenever that is

[real solar]

No breaks allowed

[balmy condor]

[misty edge]

Wait did I miss something I thought it had crit and haste on it

[spice spire]

I actually hate that emote

[warm parcel]

nop

[balmy condor]

Got removed

[warm parcel]

its sec stats got removed

[gusty mirage]

Soon™

[pale fossil]

I'm trying to decide between trying to raid with random guilds to get parses to get into a new guild and swapping back to Night Fae for my garden mounts.

[sonic schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/850093000889204756.png?v=1

🤔

[spice spire]

Sheesh

[hollow escarp]

mounts are forever

or until you get banned

[balmy condor]

Will you

Be my sheesh

[sonic schooner]

too far

🛑

[warm parcel]

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Every day, we stray further from god

[warm parcel]

Young people

smh

[spice spire]

I might be older than you weak

[cerulean nest]

wow that Storming change

what a time to be alive

[balmy condor]

And necrotic nerf

[misty edge]

Ouch haha

[balmy condor]

[pale fossil]

And the Hakkar/Dealer nerfs

[alpine latch]

I'm 37. I hurt my knee while sleeping last month and it hurt for 2 weeks.

[pale fossil]

[cerulean nest]

bless

[spice spire]

I’m a boomer in the gaming world

[hollow river]

Pssst. My uncle works at Blizzard guys. And he told me 9.3 is going to be absolutely magical.

[alpine latch]

So you're what, 24?

[spice spire]

29 next month lmao

[sacred isle]

You have your original knee? Lucky you

[spice spire]

But true

[warm parcel]

29 aint too bad

[balmy condor]

For realizies I think 9.3 is unlikely

[hollow river]

Comes out October 2031!

[alpine latch]

I'm 37. 28 isn't shit

[balmy condor]

I’m turning 22 next month

[hollow river]

I know, I agree. Just poking funniez.

[alpine latch]

Honestly, my 30s have been freaking awesome. 27-28 is the earliest age I'd ever "want to go back to" and that's only because I'd want to get my weight loss going much sooner than I did.

[spice spire]

Fuck you make me feel old. But also July Twinsies

[pale fossil]

I'm 28 too, and I play competitive Smash, so I feel like a grandpa in gaming most of the time

[hollow river]

Wow I’m 27

We got some youngers in the chat

[alpine latch]

My buddy found out Ninja got famous (my buddy was a semi-famous Halo player) and his response was, "Wait, the annoying kid that sucked at Halo?"

[spice spire]

We both are competitive boomer gamers. Semi-competitive magic the virgining let’s go

[amber mountain]

O.o

I'm 42 😕

[alpine latch]

You old bastard.

[amber mountain]

I'll just grab my walker and go get some prune juice or something

[balmy condor]

what day

[alpine latch]

AARP is calling

[spice spire]

28th iirc yours is earlier than mine

I joined RH around this time last year

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah I’m 21st, full week ahead

[spice spire]

And I remember being like, nice the smart sin player has a bday around me

Huge gamer

[real solar]

WHISPYR U’RE A BABY

🥺❤️

[amber mountain]

That's Vintage Gamer Bastard to you young whippersnapper

[alpine latch]

lol

Hey, I'm getting close to 40

[amber mountain]

8-bit generation rise up!

[alpine latch]

And I've been fat af my entire life so my body is much older than 37

[nimble tartan]

dude when im 42 i hope im still blastin dps

[amber mountain]

I was 230lb at 25, i'm 155lb at 42

[alpine latch]

I definitely grew up playing an original Atari

[amber mountain]

never too late

[nimble tartan]

nice man good for you

[alpine latch]

I started 2020 weighing around 485lbs. I started 2021 weighing 345lbs. My goal is 250lbs by Christmas (I'm on track for it)

[balmy condor]

[pale fossil]

Congrats! That's amazing.

[amber mountain]

damn! That's a hell of an improvement. 100% behind you

[topaz echo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[amber mountain]

Alright, have to go make lunch

[alpine latch]

The pandemic was so good for me, lol.

[spice spire]

That’s fucking huge king. You love to see it

[sacred flax]

which is better for mythic council, doomblade or zoldyck?

[limber lion]

Doomblade.

Zoldyck is only used for padding.

[spice spire]

Db not even close

[balmy condor]

What’s better for goblin

[sacred flax]

i see ty guys

[alpine latch]

race changing?

[limber lion]

me, you, burger king

[balmy condor]

Goblin deez nuts

[real solar]

[hollow river]

:toxic:

[vestal wren]

is mecha gnome still the numerically best race?

in 9.1

[warm parcel]

mechagnome doesnt exist

[thorny pond]

What guild would take a mecha gnome?\

[limber lion]

It is currently and will be in 9.1 as well.

---- unless if they nerf it for whatever reason.

[steep reef]

whispyr do you know if I should run cms tonight? Idk if it’s normal farm but I wanna try new stuff

[limber lion]

[willow eagle]

They won't

[limber lion]

Yeh, doubt it

[willow eagle]

Alliance needs the outlier racials

[thorny pond]

Should've made them able to get taller

that would be a pog racial

[alpine latch]

Man, a goblin sized body with lanky ass arms/legs to make them NE height would have been hilarious

[thorny pond]

go go gadget style ya know

[alpine latch]

Hell yeah

[thorny pond]

Give it some bonus attack range as an actual racial bonus

[balmy condor]

Is that a gottem

I feel like that’s bait

[spice spire]

Maybe he meant CN?

[strange python]

Hey guys, currently have a cap of haste that makes one talent better than another?

[balmy condor]

if you have enough, deeper/bs or ep/vig will be much better than bs/vig

but that's not a breakpoint

[spice spire]

Simming yourself is best, there’s no set number or cap or point where you swap. It is factored in by many things including covenant and other stats, along with talents

[real solar]

just always sim yourself is the best way to go about it too

[balmy condor]

that just happens at some point with more gear

[strange python]

Thanks all

[spice spire]

Best of luck papi

[strange python]

U too

[limber lion]

Had a 7.5k pull on Sire

[mellow pier]

Like deep pull?

[limber lion]

Got the ring as well, only need the weapons now then I'm done

[limber lion]

I mean, we killed it

[mellow pier]

Oh damn lol

[strange python]

nice dude

[mellow pier]

Did u get some good p1 pad?

[limber lion]

Not really, P1 was really bad

[spice spire]

Fucking GIGA dam. Holy shit

[limber lion]

Had to stop for like 20s

[spice spire]

No weapon though

[mellow pier]

I literally hold vendetta for 3mins on sire

It’s ass

[limber lion]

Same.

[spice spire]

😦

[thorny pond]

2 18s in a row both the other DPS do sub 4.5k with 1600+ io

I quit

[spice spire]

Yikes

[limber lion]

My p2 though

[mellow pier]

Holy fuck lol

[spice spire]

Carried to io 🙂 I’m a 1300 scrub and 5.6k is due to nonsense runs or spiteful

[limpid plinth]

pandemic glow on nameplates really are so good

[limber lion]

Sure are !

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[left flare]

How much haste would you guys run? Im like +_700 haste 30% vers

[balmy condor]

whatever the sim says I run

idk how much haste I have

I don't look at my stats

[alpine latch]

587 Haste (18.97%), 23% crit, 24% mastery, 12% vers

[left flare]

My sim says i have pvp gear and thats it

I only played pvp on rogue but will reroll rogue main next season again

[spice spire]

In the immortal words of guy. You’ll get more dps looking st your play than your stats. Or some shit

[soft shale]

you want big ilvl

only reason to min max stats is for super optimization for iqd when you're 229 like rae

[left flare]

227 ilevel in pvp with pvp trinkets

Haste crit trinkets

[soft shale]

raid trinkets or dungeon trinkets in general are way better than pvp trinkets because of rogue damage profile

should look into them

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not really the damage profile

it's just the pvp trinkets are dogshit

[left flare]

Yep but lack of getting pf trinket is driveing my nuts :)

[soft shale]

haha yea some classes do use them no troll tho

[limber lion]

It's a good choice even at 220 honestly.

[soft shale]

pf trinket is not the end of all

[loud light]

yes rogue does not have combustion

[limber lion]

It's similar to 226 Chain, without the downfall.

[loud light]

this is true

[soft shale]

DoS trinket is also really good an device etc

[left flare]

Its simple i have no other trinket els then a 210 iqd wich i hate to use

[west cove]

cba using iqd

[hollow river]

Is pvp trinket no good for sin?

[pale fossil]

That's what I'm running

[left flare]

Think 226 on use agil is better but dunno

[limber lion]

Simerino pepperino

[left flare]

I love the sim notes cant sim other trinkets i do not have the main question is that i was wondering if my haste versa # would give me dog shit deeps :)

[hollow river]

The only thing stat wise you should care about is getting decent crit really

But I’m no expert

[gusty mirage]

👨‍🍳

[limber lion]

Simerino pepperino

[loud light]

can use the "gear compare" feature on raidbots to sim items you don't have (or droptimizer, or adding it to your simc input for top gear if you know how to do that)

[limber lion]

And we're not talking about looking at the sites

I'm talking about

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[hollow river]

Raidbots is Cev’s kitchen, and he is a master chef.

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

Whispyr is like, the general manager.

[spice spire]

Does that make oxi the sous chef?

[balmy condor]

I think it's more like raidbots is the kitchen, I'm the master chef, cev is the sous chef, and koji is gordon ramsey

[gusty mirage]

I’m the bus boy

[spice spire]

I thought Koji’s basement was the kitchen

[limber lion]

I'm fine with this.

[gusty mirage]

Koji’s basement is where Whispyr has been trapped for years

[warm parcel]

Should be illegal to jack Kojis name

[gusty mirage]

[warm parcel]

Koji is reserved to the one and only Koji

[limber lion]

What is the point of parses vs rankings in WCL?

Can someone enlighten me?

The "Parses" tab and "Damage Done" tab is only comparing your damage done to everyone within 2 weeks

But, what's the point? It's not shown anywhere afaik, other than the actual log.

[amber mountain]

Anyone who comes in here to ask about 9.1 sims is Karen

[lost horizon]

Isn't rankings best vs. Best?

[hollow river]

I have a feeling that once they announce the patch, it is going to get litty titty up in here.

[scenic root]

My haste and crit are similar now(like less than 20 apart), gotta go do the big sims to see if enchants and gems change priority for IQD to crit proc

[limber lion]

Rankings is compared to everyone

Parses are compared to everyone within the last 2 weeks.

[balmy condor]

are you venth?

[scenic root]

Nope

[balmy condor]

then it won't matter

[limber lion]

Me too, and I'm all for it.

[lost horizon]

Right but, everyone's best log

You can't occupy multiple spots on rankings

[limber lion]

Yes

[lost horizon]

I was under the impression that damage done "parses" weren't filtered against best logs, and was just every parse

[real solar]

I am. If I’m Venthyr what do I wanna do for IQD

[lost horizon]

Didn't realize it was restricted window of 2weeks

[balmy condor]

have more crit than haste

[limber lion]

Ah yeah okay, but why does it exist?

[real solar]

Reeeee ok

[limber lion]

If it's not shown anywhere

[lost horizon]

Might be an older feature

That had more impact previously

For example maybe logs weren't as good at separating out patch cycles prior

So it was better to compare against more recent logs

Than older busted ass logs

[hollow river]

I would imagine that’s why, because everyone gets more gear as a patch goes on.

Or do old parses drop as everyone else starts to parse higher?

[limber lion]

I can understand the 2 week thingy on the Damage Done meter

But on a kill it just seems like an irrelevant metric

idk

Anyways, got a ring from Sire so I guess it's time for Maw-jail

[hollow river]

Why lol

[amber mountain]

.<

I like the Maw

[pure osprey]

does the ring from sire make a noticeable difference?

[hollow river]

Sockets?

[amber mountain]

it's got lots of little hidden places and neat spaces to explore

It makes a HUGE difference

[limber lion]

Bingo.

[pure osprey]

i got one a few weeks ago but havent done the maw in months

[limber lion]

Not really, it's like 20 dps for me or something.

[pale fossil]

Oh god and all the rest of us are in Hell's Kitchen fucking everything up

[amber mountain]

I'm the idiot sandwich

[hollow river]

Is it weird to play EP deeper on inerva?

[cloud reef]

Not weird

[balmy condor]

ep deeper?

kinda weird

[cloud reef]

The more ‘typical pairing’ is EP + vigor

It just feels better

[hollow river]

I know

[limber lion]

Just stick to EP/Vig honestly.

[indigo mulch]

D:

[limber lion]

EP/DS is okay on SLG.

[hollow river]

I’m just curious my guild mate always runs ep deeper on inerva

[indigo mulch]

finally 😮

[limber lion]

gibe

When did you get CE

[indigo mulch]

uhh a couple of weeks ago

3?

[limber lion]

"finally"

[indigo mulch]

pat

[cloud reef]

I got it the reset after the kill @limber lion

[limber lion]

Over 2 months of reclears and weekly vaults

[spice spire]

Cev in shambles rn

[cloud reef]

Got the vessel the reset after that

[indigo mulch]

[spice spire]

I pray for only one thing weekly 233 dagger for Cev

[cloud reef]

[limber lion]

Good for you guys :)

I'm happy for you :)

[indigo mulch]

Unlucky though.

:/

First lockout i got the trinket and the third one i got the weapon 😐

[cloud reef]

I think it’s a blizzard nerf for you though @limber lion

[hollow river]

Getting sire weapon RNG is bs tbh

[cloud reef]

No one man should have so much power

[hollow river]

I haven’t got heroic one still

[indigo mulch]

Same

I never seen it kekw

[hollow river]

I kill sludge slg sire every week on heroic

[limber lion]

:(

[hollow river]

Nothing :’(

[indigo mulch]

[hollow river]

And this week

Vault trolled me with council wep

[spice spire]

It’s honestly a blessing that Cev doesn’t get the final pieces of exodia. Otherwise we’d be nerfed to the ground

[shy dust]

Could just get good at pvp

[gaunt mauve]

Hey guys, decided to gear up my rogue and choose assassin for 9.1 raids if my warrior/mage ends up being shit. What would you guys say is the safest pick of the best covenant for 9.1 raiding? Thanks!

[shy dust]

And secure an infinite amount of 233s

[hollow river]

Next tier that’ll be “useless”

“”

[limber lion]

Necrolord.

[shy dust]

Useless is a bit much

[ancient peak]

is the best way to deal with the bad overlap on the second ravage on p3 mythic sire to just shadowstep midair?

[shy dust]

It’s still free gear to fill out your character

[indigo mulch]

@limber lion Do i rupture in envenom window (80 energy) or do i just slap it as fast as i can see it within pandemic?

[limber lion]

I got a heroic Sire weapon on my mage :D

[gaunt mauve]

thanks

[hollow river]

😠

[limber lion]

Pandemic gives you leeway to do things, you don't need to do it instantly

But if you're pooling for energy and rupture enters pandemic, you should rupture

It's either or.

[indigo mulch]

Alrighty, so i don't have to wait for 80 energy to rupture as you do with envenom

[hollow river]

How bad does it scale down though

[limber lion]

Got a Sire weapon on my mage that I don't even play, but not on my main :D

[shy dust]

I think the example they gave

[hollow river]

Next tier your guild makes you go frost mage.

[shy dust]

Is it would be 220 ilvl this season

[hollow river]

So roughly 13 ilvl

Not terrible

But meh

I kinda wanna pvp for mog and dip

Either way

[shy dust]

Well no

Elite weapons are removed

So max ilvl for pvp gear would be 220

[sonic schooner]

Ceve blizz is nerfing u on purpose

[shy dust]

Which is still absolutely amazing for prog

[sonic schooner]

U can't get full bis

[shy dust]

Imagine not having full BiS

[sonic schooner]

[shy dust]

Just learn to loot

[limber lion]

[sonic schooner]

True

Imagine not be good enough at right clicking a corpse

[hollow river]

Ew so it prolly scales down to 213 equivalent

[shy dust]

Needing to kill sire for 233s