assassination

[warm parcel]

subs time to shine

[balmy condor]

[hazy crater]

[soft shale]

yea shine in the with the feral rets and enha

and all other buffless melee

[spice spire]

Enhance has wind fury though

[polar cape]

And the MW monk

[soft shale]

mw could be a thing tho

as brews and ww are also regular

you can go warr tank and dh tank

[polar cape]

Amz still a bigger cd then everything MW had tough

[soft shale]

mw is a really got spot healer problem is the only real boss you needed that was arti and sun king

and those were 2 pull bosses sadly

[spice spire]

Mistweaver on sun king

[pale fossil]

M Sire Tips:

• Recommend Zoldyk, EP/Vigor/CT
• Phase 1 is easy, but if your healers are struggling on prog, you can Cloak the first and last Blood Price of the phase
• Just before intermission, you can get combo points on Sire with the throwing dagger and/or SBS and refresh your CT on him
• Begin Phase 2 by getting your bleeds up on Remornia and refreshing them on Sire before heading to your assigned horsemen
• You can CoS Massacre
• You can Shadowstep after being launched by Crescendo
• Passive cleave on Cabalists generally, which means just an SBS and Rupture on them. Prioritize bleeds on both Sire and Remornia.
• Using Cloak on the first and third Blood Price of P3

Just my anecdotal experience, others may have better advice but wanted to get you something.

[shy dust]

For prog I would not recommend EP/Vigor whatosever

[pale fossil]

I didn't really Feint anything. You can use it to survive a low HP Crescendo or a full HP Massacre combined with Cheat, but that's not really a recommendation haha

[shy dust]

EP/vigor is more of a parse

talent choice

[pale fossil]

Interesting. I'd have thought EP/Vigor is consensus best after the nerfs, because the P3 DPS check isn't as tight anymore.

[shy dust]

its still a check though

[ornate lake]

This is golden thanks a lot man

[shy dust]

its still more ST damage

sire is more of st fight than anything

[pale fossil]

It is, but it's a lot of managing mechanics and there's a lot of downtime that EP/Vigor smooths out. Plus, depending on sims, EP/Vigor isn't that big of a ST DPS drop.

[shy dust]

EP/vigor is most certainly a dps drop

and a large one

for the final burn of the fight

I would be perplexed to see someone running EP/Vigor when they are still progging Sire

[pale fossil]

For the final burn, definitely. I think people trivialize P2 a bit in here, though. My guild had more trouble consistently making it through P2 than killing the boss in P3, and we just recently cleared it.

[balmy condor]

I'm with rae on this one btw

[pale fossil]

When we killed it I was using EP/Vigor haha

[balmy condor]

I'd call that inting

[pale fossil]

[hazy crater]

Also I'm pretty sure you dont need to worry about not getting gripped by Hand with cloak on. Should not prevent it

[balmy condor]

correct

[pale fossil]

I definitely remember not getting gripped, but maybe it bugged out. Idk.

[hazy crater]

you probably got BoP on

[pale fossil]

I'll correct the reply.

[hazy crater]

or something

[soft shale]

only reason you would cloak a hand is to not get the damage

[shy dust]

I would also advise against this

didnt link correct part

but saying most sin rogues cd 2nd add

thats just up to your guild really

[pale fossil]

I'll remove it. It was just to give a feel for how the CD timings shake out; I'd hope everyone knows to go with the guild's CD planning over a random in the rogue discord haha

[balmy condor]

you overestimate the people in this discord

[sonic schooner]

idk for single target i sim better as blindside + DS, but ingame i m dealing way more as ep + vig. My best example is shriekwing

i m just bad at ambushing i guess

😔

[simple wadi]

The difference is p3 sire is a thing all it’s own - shrieking you’re talking about damage over the whole health percentage

[plain thistle]

I usually vendetta the first add on p2, and I save my second p1 vendetta

its a little bit off with p3 lust for DKS but

[pale fossil]

I save my second P1 vendetta too, but it's because we already have too much damage and have to hold dps.

I think that's fairly common.

[sonic schooner]

yea correct, but on a full shriek, i m still doing better at epvig than bsds for whatever reason, should make whisp do a log review

[tulip nacelle]

that easily comes down to variance

[simple wadi]

A lot of people sim ep/vigor within or above bs/ds

[plain thistle]

yeah, my CD changes all the time actually, because we bring new people, alts, etc. we do little adjustments almost every week

[simple wadi]

But when your talking about execute range it’s not comparable

[sonic schooner]

yea i also got assigned on first horseman on sire, it felt so bad to hold this vendetta p1

[drifting cloud]

huh

getting to cd the first add in p2 is best case scenario

unless youre doing speed kills

cuz you just vendetta on cd after and it lines up very good

[sonic schooner]

it probably is but still i m watching my vendetta being up for so long and i m like "pleaaaase big dmg nooow"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772180753458135071/797439570236669972/1.gif

[drifting cloud]

outside of lust which just depends when your guild does it

its a 10min fight on prog youre losing a vendetta cast anyways, losing it in p1 is best case

[pale fossil]

Yeah, I only got four off in our kill.

On pull, on second horsemen, late in P2, and then lust in P3 (after second blood price).

[drifting cloud]

1 vendetta in p3? thats a yikes

[sonic schooner]

i got pull, first horseman, set 3 and 2 on p3

🤔

[pale fossil]

Man I know lol

[sonic schooner]

i think

[drifting cloud]

I mean why are you using it twice in p2

unless you werent phasing at 37 I guess

[pale fossil]

^that

We were by the end, but I didn't want to mess with the system and it was always close.

[drifting cloud]

yeah those are perfect prog vendettas

if youre also doing lust after bp1 its 👍

[sonic schooner]

we werent, i think we BL'd before ravage2

because of DKs or something like dat

i dont remember, but i ve got told 2 vendetta is better than 1 vendetta on lust

[drifting cloud]

yeah you either do bp1 lust or the "dk" lust

bp1 is better for 2min classes

[pale fossil]

We had two UDKs so I'm sure that was our setup

I also wasn't in the prog group literally until Sire so I was not exactly getting planned around haha

[drifting cloud]

but yeah whats even a 2min melee class, rog, ww, ret

so if you have 2 dks and not alot of those just better doing dk lust

[light hedge]

I'd like to preface with: sorry if my questions are dumb but I'm new to rogue and just want to learn more about it

[limber lion]

No worries buddy, we're all here to learn.

There are no stupid questions.

Okay, well, as long as you don't ask about using a sword in main hand and only using bleeds.

[light hedge]

LOL

speaking of bleeds actually that leads into my first question

[balmy condor]

just know that if the council of sin rogues decides your question too stupid, you'll be relegated to outlaw pending your death sentence

[shy dust]

[light hedge]

[drowsy parcel]

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[pale fossil]

Wow, it's pretty unbelievable I've made it this far, then.

[tulip nacelle]

[drifting cloud]

is rae banned from the council he has pi logs

[light hedge]

it feels like assassination is so much faster with damage (thanks to bleeds/poisons obviously) than outlaw while i've been leveling it. obviously theres many many more factors than just feeling when it comes to this kind of discussion, but the main takeaway i've made after reading several guides and forums is something like:

sin is better at raw dps while outlaw has more utility/better aoe

would you guys agree or not

im still not 100% sure

[spice spire]

Not entirely

[pale fossil]

@limber lion is banned from the council for mutilate shade padding

[drifting cloud]

problem about lvling is, that assa is the worst rogue spec for it by far

[spice spire]

Outlaw has quite a bit of aoe damage, while sin excels in small cleave + ST

[drifting cloud]

so we dont really go to deep about it, easily to just say probably best to not level as assa if you care how fast youre going

[drowsy parcel]

level/world content as sub

soothing darkness

[shy dust]

rank 2 asp without PI

come again

[balmy condor]

not rank 1 gtfo

[shy dust]

he had 30 more PIs than me

[candid mountain]

So wait what is the best legendary for Assassination Rogue if I were to raid?

[balmy condor]

doom/dashing are close

[candid mountain]

Ok. Where do I get those both?

[strange python]

WHAT covenant ? assa play

[drifting cloud]

carried by tuesday raiding

[candid mountain]

Venythr.

[spice spire]

Unlucky, should have looked for more

[pale fossil]

!cov

!covenants

Help

[shy dust]

👀

[strange python]

if i play and pvp and pve what is better to pick

[light hedge]

which one would you say is more valuable in dungeons? again, sorry if this is dumb

[balmy condor]

necro

[balmy condor]

outlaw

[pale fossil]

Outlaw is better in dungeons, Sin is better in raid for the most part.

[balmy condor]

1 word answers for the message count

[candid mountain]

Wait Venythr isn't that good for raiding?

[spice spire]

I can’t give an actual answer as there will always be people built different. But most of the time outlaw

[spice spire]

Venthyr is fine, necro extremely flexible

[balmy condor]

it's very slightly ahead on 1 target, and loses on everything else

[spice spire]

Because of that above, yeah

[candid mountain]

Ok. I edited it to say raiding.

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't really take it for raiding either

[drifting cloud]

venthyr slander

[spice spire]

Was trying to pad my message count whispyr

[candid mountain]

But I chose Venythr and I think I'm fine with it?

[light hedge]

i just dont like my skills relying on rtb

[balmy condor]

yeah it's fine

[light hedge]

even if you can refresh it easily

[candid mountain]

Alright.

[pale fossil]

It's totally viable, but Necro is better on most fights as far as I can tell

[candid mountain]

So for gearing I'm better off with getting covenant gear?

[drifting cloud]

in CN? its like 50:50

[candid mountain]

Well Heroic CN.

[spice spire]

Unlucky - easier aoe with flurry as well though that’s the big selling point. Less tab n stab moments

[light hedge]

thats fine though, i think going into SL content i'll keep on going sin and then maybe see if i can get outlaw rotations down after getting into endgame

[candid mountain]

I'm trying to get renown 22 for completing all of the campaign.

[spice spire]

Sin is still good so go off king

Best of luck, if you’ve specific questions just ask away

[light hedge]

appreciate it!

[candid mountain]

Well I'll see what I can do. I'll just do something else to get geared up.

[drifting cloud]

ok semi real talk, would you say venthyr vs necro sims are slightly "fake" just because of how different the covenant abilities and their cds and how you use them are

like yeah you got 5min+-20% so many iterations losing flag casts

[candid mountain]

I'll do some M+ because that will be best until I can enter Nathria again.

[drifting cloud]

sure its gonna happen in real fights aswell but for prog most of the time youre gonna know the boss kill timer

[candid mountain]

Yeah.

[drifting cloud]

it just seems weird to me how easily venthyr is being ignored past month or two with ptr

[candid mountain]

Yeah it is. I don't really do the PTR I play live more.

I'll try it out one day.

[drifting cloud]

because theres plenty of kill timers where venthyr is what 150? ahead or even more with iqd

ok I guess that gap narrows now that sbs can crit

and thats ofc ignoring the stupid theotar cheese that shit was just dumb

[scenic root]

Are you saying I'm trolling with playing sin in +18s? 🤣

[drifting cloud]

but its just funny people are so fast to dismiss venthyr vs necro on st but they think not having a 233 wep mh is holding them back or some weird thing 😛

[shy dust]

damage profile matters more i would say

since venthyr got that FLAG

[drifting cloud]

like for me imo the comparion is bordering slightly into all those crazy outlaw talks

the gs copium etc

but here you can just say, ah boss has adds necro insanely superior and the loss on st you just ignore

[shy dust]

I think its very slanted toward necro

venthyr is like 1% or so ahead on st

[drifting cloud]

but yeah other side of things even ignoring all the aoe benefits theres probably nothing worse than boss dieing 5s before flag comes up and if youre necro you never have to deal with that

[drifting cloud]

yeah but since when is 1% a small number

[shy dust]

Oh I agree that people overrate necro

[drifting cloud]

thats still more than upgrading some random armor pieces

yeah like necro is just the safe, the easier choice

doesnt mean its the best choice all the time

whispyr I was only half serious stop with the wall of text

[scenic root]

[shy dust]

with some very good iqd profiles

the difference is pretty large

[drifting cloud]

god I hope iqd is dead in 9.1 sorry rae

but I have a feeling it wont be

just gonna be like those stupid nh trinkets blizzard might have to nerf it to kill it

[balmy condor]

I think that there are obvious fight lengths where you can say "look venthyr 200 ahead" because the timing works out wonderfully, but at the end of the day, you're looking at it through the lens of more than one player right? Not everyone has 4:30 kill times, nor does everyone have 6 minute kill times. Just the front page of hungering is from 3:25 to 5:47, artificer front page is from 3:33 to 5:53, so there is already inherent spread from one raid to another, and quite a big one. The fact is that sims give you an average, across many iterations, across many fight lengths, to give you a more generalized idea. The damage profiles are obviously shifted and if you value the flag 1:30 burst more compared to banking your sbs charges, then obviously venthyr will be the choice for that.

To the second point about how venthyr hasn't received attention, necro soulbinds not only seem to have gotten stronger powers, but there have been about 80 dps worth of APL changes for necro, the pot cheese got fixed for venthyr, and necro is getting another 60ish dps from the crit fix on the dot. So you're seeing a lot less venthyr goodness, and a lot more necro goodness. Deathspike being crazy for outlaw certainly added to the hype, even if it's nerfed now. A lot of people also tend to ask "what if I play outlaw in m+ and sin in raids", to which the obvious answer would be necrolord. I did some sims earlier with some profiles, my rogue (the washed 225 no CE pleb) was about 55 dps behind on necro, rae's rogue was about 150 behind on necro (which we determined was because of crit IQD on venthyr being much stronger than IQD on necro). So with the crit fix, venthyr on my rogue actually just loses in single target on ptr atm, without any extra soulbind stuff.

The third point (since im still typing and the conversation is moving), the damage with adds where you can snipe actually does increase prio damage due to the added cp gen which is "free" so to speak, since you get the refund on it. Given the difference in dps already being as low (or high I guess) as it is, it's not hard to see that it has the opportunity to win there as well.

All in all, the real thing is yes, venthyr can have it's places as a burst cooldown at 1:30, and be better on certain fight lengths, and might be better for progging a specific phase, but that nuance is (no I won't stop with the wall of text I'm too deep now please help I'm already in the nitro range past 2000 characters), very difficult to explain to each and every person, and a lot of effort. If they're doing any amount of m+ on top of that, it's just necro-town again, so I don't really feel comfortable recommending venthyr, but I also don't have the mental energy, nor the time, to explain why or how venthyr is used. A topic for an FAQ or something. When I make a channel for that. Eventually.

damn that's wild I'm happy for you or sorry that happened

[drifting cloud]

ok its not that long im gonna read it

[drowsy parcel]

[drifting cloud]

wait that sounded wrong I was gonna read it anyways I was just scared it would be longer

[shy dust]

Off the necro copium

onto the Venthyr train

🚄

[lime edge]

[drifting cloud]

wait how recent is 80 dps apl for necro, thats been a thing for months right

[balmy condor]

it's not reflected in pin sims

but yes, if you sim yourself like rae did, that's reflected

I'm just saying that the gap has shrunk since the original 9.0.5 venthyr hype train

[drifting cloud]

but yeah Im probably just on the venthyr copium since I need to somehow stay venthyr for around 8months this xpac to max the court rep

[shy dust]

well

[drifting cloud]

so next tier it might just be the mirror of this one

[shy dust]

Sub with the 7.7k sim is spicy Ryler

👀

[balmy condor]

I think you also play at a level where someone like me saying "play necro" like 15 times a day shouldn't really affect you

[drifting cloud]

where necro is just straight up better on like half the raid but alot of people this far into farm are just staying venthyr for whatever reason so its reflected in logs

[balmy condor]

because you're smart and knowledgeable enough to make your own decisions for prog

[drifting cloud]

even then you can easily say necro is better on X boss

except sludge, youre never gonna convince me necro is better on sludge

[balmy condor]

I'm unsure about sludge honestly

it's not something that's easily just simmed

from what I see from logs and comparisons

it's kinda close tbh

[shy dust]

No shot it’s better for sludge esque boss next tier

[balmy condor]

being able to bank charges is kinda good

I think the killer for necro on sludge is that gemstones ends up not syncing

[drifting cloud]

yeah

its for sure that

but yeah I didnt even take into account 9.1 extra soulbind in the original rant

wonder if its gonna shift it a decent number one way or another

end of the day yeah like you said I probably know better for myself and Im kinda used to swapping all the time by now anyways

once you start swapping covenant mid raid youre way too deep in the hole already

[drifting cloud]

im too old for sub, assa boomers unite

[sonic schooner]

whisp wrote a book

[balmy condor]

didn't even farm the book for messages

[spice spire]

Ethical poster

[steep reef]

read the entire book but not sure if you’re saying necro or venthyr 🙂

however...

U cute so I’m glad it happened or sorry it happened

[balmy condor]

I'm camp necro

I don't think the gain in single target is worth it

at least not for me personally

[steep reef]

that was an exceptional tldr whispyr

[balmy condor]

rae's char with an optimized IQD and shit seems worth

[limber lion]

Necro is life.

[steep reef]

how’s ur day going

[balmy condor]

its ok

[limber lion]

Venthyr is old news.

[steep reef]

This dude hunts retirement homes meanwhile chad venthyrs are at the hottest bars with the hottest dudes n girls

[shy dust]

2.5% is worth it

[lost mist]

As necro u don't have to chose if sync flag with vend if the fight is or not 3:30~4:30

❤️

lol, because necro dont have flag 😮

[shy dust]

Necro st feels awful

[cerulean nest]

I think it feels fine

having done both

[lost mist]

true, haste buff from flag+nadja is life

[soft shale]

not going to lie venth with high crit and having those crit moments feels really good

[limber lion]

SBS is the best ability.

It's not even close on multiple targets.

[soft shale]

now next patch with dr hitting our assas who knows

good shit assa cleave is fine either way

ahaha not like sub casual 30% worse

[shy dust]

Assa on cleave feels fine normally

Assa st as necro

Does not feel enjoyable to me whatsoever

[limber lion]

Each to their own.

[drowsy parcel]

sbs sniping

[lost mist]

lol, i didn't noticed, no 2nd stats on sylv dagger

slowpoke

[limber lion]

Yep, they removed it just last reset.

[lost mist]

were crit/haste?

[limber lion]

Think so, can't remember.

[drowsy parcel]

two blizz articles today about 9.1

[lost mist]

hmm i don't like it :/ some rng/execute or crit/haste

[drowsy parcel]

release ptr build tomorrow, arena 2 week notice and release 28/29 june?

[balmy condor]

for sure

[pale fossil]

[shy dust]

9.1 exists

[lost mist]

Coming in 202111!

[hollow river]

:COPIUM:

[balmy condor]

jesus christ the lack of nitro hurts

[hollow river]

😦

):

You making fun of me gonna make me break out the wallet

[tulip nacelle]

epic has 3 moths of nitro for free rn, but only for first time nitro users

[hollow river]

Wut

[limber lion]

Yeh, feels good being on the 3rd month now and not being able to use it.

[hollow river]

How do you get it? Just go to get nitro on disc?

[hollow river]

Yep I meant the 3 months 👍

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah idk

epic launcher hurts me

[halcyon zealot]

did they actually announce 2 week notice?? if so that’s a good sign

oh wait nvm that’s ur hopes n wishes

[shy dust]

[balmy condor]

[halcyon zealot]

9.1 exists

[drowsy parcel]

[vestal wren]

its probably still a bit till 9.1

[gloomy knoll]

any1 got the link for

[sacred isle]

Yes. But its beeing rebranded 9.2

[gloomy knoll]

is ptr stuff supported in simc

[halcyon zealot]

at this point they just need to go next

[balmy condor]

pinned in #wow-general

[gloomy knoll]

ty

[halcyon zealot]

and release next expansion

[limber lion]

They don't update it very often though Esra

[drifting cloud]

dont we usually have more than 1 release candidate ptr?

[gloomy knoll]

one day

i'm really curious

how the sylvanus dagger

interacts with necro execute soulbind

[drifting cloud]

29 looking bleak by the minute, well arena latest notice will be on like Thursday

[gloomy knoll]

pretty sure it's go push necro over the top

[limber lion]

Aren't we all.

[drifting cloud]

so if its not there you know its not 29

[limber lion]

Necro + Zoldyck + Sylvanas + Blindside = nut

[gloomy knoll]

yea

and even without zol

like our execute just gonna be insane

[cerulean nest]

any semblance of any new content = nut

[limber lion]

Big true.

[alpine latch]

I just want to know when I'm taking off work

I always lose vacation time because I have more than I can carry over. I'm going to take off and push my m+ rating, because why not?

[limber lion]

I already have a shit ton of gigs and work planned out

So I'm pretty much in the hands of RNGesus

[alpine latch]

hah

I haven't taken side projects in like a year

I got a big app dev project two years ago that covered my side work for a while, so I've been spending the last year focusing on my mental health.

My guild is a one-night guild for now, so I have all week to farm m+ and start getting my rating up and focusing on new copies of the important shit (like every trinket I can possibly get my hands on)

[limber lion]

My guild is a 7-day guild

So I'm kinda

fucked

[alpine latch]

RIP

Are you guys HoF?

[limber lion]

if Blizzard decides to release it when I'm off for a week.

Yes.

[alpine latch]

Ahh, yeh

That's huge for you then

[limber lion]

Yeh

Really need to think about all my choices and whether or not I'll just pack my computer with me

[alpine latch]

Makes sense that you're a 98% parser on average and you're HoF, lol

[limber lion]

and play with awful internet in the middle of nowhere

[limber lion]

98?

[alpine latch]

lol

[balmy condor]

his average is like 99.6

or some shit

[alpine latch]

I haven't looked at you in weeks, no clue what your percentage is

[limber lion]

Yeh

[alpine latch]

I just know it's stupidly high

[limber lion]

We private log with my new guild so it's not updating

[alpine latch]

Your overall parses look like my item level parses

(Although those are getting lower and I'm starting to realize I suck)

[limber lion]

Hey how long have you played Sin?

Because I've played it since Cata

so makes sense

[alpine latch]

I've been a rogue main for all of WoW, the last two raid tiers I've played something else though.

[balmy condor]

I've played your mom since before you were born

son

[alpine latch]

Sin specifically? Not sure.

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

dad?

[soft shale]

i love that thing hey you have played for a long time you must be really good

me

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's not really accurate most of the time. We got a lot of crazy zoomer gamers here who started in 8.3.

[soft shale]

its more of i have been on a downward spiral last expansions

quite of a black widow of guilds

from 29 to 2xx to 3xx to 4xx

[limber lion]

I actively seek to get better every tier, it's one of the main enjoyments in the game for me.

[soft shale]

my guilds just decide to disband

at the worst times

like this tier just after killing denny

or back in azshara just after she died too

or on uu nat

[alpine latch]

I was in a CE guild on Stormrage (US) in Legion but had to stop raiding because my work bought 2 new radio stations and I was working 70-hour weeks damn near.

I've been with the same guild off and on since Vanilla, though. The issue is, they're just an AotC guild with no drive to get into Mythic

And none of the officers have much drive to do much of anything in terms of recruitment, raid leading, etc.

They called raids after only getting 2/10, so I used it as an excuse to re-roll Horde and find something that fits my schedule and personality better.

I'm actively getting better each week - but I really need to ramp it up and start pumping. I'm getting smashed by a Fury warrior (his main is a CE hunter)

And I'm annoyed that a Warrior is beating me.

[limber lion]

I mean

I always preach that practice makes perfect

And I actually mean

A lot of good quality practice.

[alpine latch]

yeah

[limber lion]

Doing one kill every week or every other week

is not really "good practice"

[alpine latch]

Yup, tell me about it.

Holidays really set the new guild back. Everyone's going off on vacations or wanting to take a break until 9.1. So, I'm just spamming m+ to work on that rotation

[limber lion]

I've killed 334 bosses on heroic in 9.0.5.

[alpine latch]

g'damn

[drowsy parcel]

stop hiding

[limber lion]

Most of them have been boosts of some kind, but a lot of it was also just practice for mythic.

[alpine latch]

Yeah

I need to do that more

Pugs can just be so fucking awful, and I don't have the logs to sell

[limber lion]

Just because I don't get loot, doesn't mean that I can't go in and practice.

[alpine latch]

"Good" practice with pugs is very hard to get

[limber lion]

[dawn ivy]

you can still get personal practice for stuff like openers/mechanics

[west cove]

7x kill no conduit

is this normal

[limber lion]

7 weeks?

[west cove]

yeah

[limber lion]

Unlucky.

[dawn ivy]

unlucky, but you could have been doing maw for 3 days

and gotten it

[west cove]

wish that was a case

[drowsy parcel]

you get x amount of conduit drops per kill, i think? split amongst the raid

so if you keep bringing new people your odds worsens

[west cove]

damn

[weary marten]

hey guys, i'm looking for a good plater for M+ that allows to see well assassination dots. Bonus would be different color bar when SBS is on target. Thank you !

[limber lion]

There's quite a few out there. My profile does that, but it doesn't change color when SBS is on the target, but that's easily added with the default Plater mods:
https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

Whispyr has a good plater profile as well, it's a matter of preference in the end really.

[weary marten]

thanks a lot ! i'll check that

[limber lion]

I'd recommend just leeching someone else's plater profile and just editing it to your liking and making it look like the way you want.

[shy dust]

which guild?

[atomic sonnet]

Guys, why do guides say you use mutilate in the opener?

[limber lion]

As Necrolord you'd actually use SBS, but here's the simple answer why you Mutilate instead of Ambush:

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[weary marten]

i did /plater but haven't imported a profile in a while, any clue to where is the import button ? ^^'

moding => import mod ?

[limber lion]

Uh I don't have WoW open currently

But you'd add it as a Plater profile

Not a mod.

Is there a profile tab?

[weary marten]

oh yeah that seems better

thanks

a lot

[limber lion]

:)

[weary marten]

after a bilion year loading, i'll finally get to try your profile x)

that's a long paste loaaaaad

[limber lion]

Good stuff, hopefully it fits the bill at least to some extent.

Yeah, plater is very slow when importing large profiles.

[alpine latch]

I honestly don’t remember the name of it. I just remember having to take a break when we were progressing on the bridge boss in Antorus. When I came back 2 months later I was guildless and my only friend in the guild transferred Horde after they got CE

I just remember that we raided 9p to Midnight on Fri/Sat

[tulip nacelle]

could probably see it in logs if you have access to any from that time

[west cove]

would i lose my edgy sword back trangmog from venthyr if i swap to necro xd? like it de-transmog the piece or no

[limber lion]

No!

Well, I have to specify

That you cannot transmog any random dagger to a Venthyr dagger

But if you have a Venthyr dagger from the Venthyr raid-weapon vendor

Then it will stay as a Venthyr weapon with the Venthyr tmog.

[weary marten]

i noticed also that a registered set, can be applied again without matching the requirements of covenant

[limber lion]

OH

You were talking about the back piece

Sorry, I misunderstood.

Unfortunately, yes.

[west cove]

ahh bad wording from my side. i meant the cape transmog that has flying swords kind of thing. so it disappears as i understand

[limber lion]

You will lose your back transmog.

Venthyr do have the coolest cloak transmogs, so it's a shame you lose them by switching covenants.

[hardy hound]

you keep it aslong as u dont mog over it

[limber lion]

But if you one day swap back, you'll unlock it again right away.

[west cove]

yea u also lose xavius shoulders too since it wont look as cool as it was with that back mog xd

[weary marten]

@limber lion thanks your plater seems to fit to me too ! Does it include M+ mechanics like enrages, important spells / buffs ?

[limber lion]

To some extent yes. It will color some enemy nameplates blue if they have an important cast to interrupt and purple if the enemy is a big target that you need to keep track of.

[weary marten]

yummy !

[limber lion]

You can emphasize enrages etc. with some mods that you can find in Wago.io

[weary marten]

a bit late for me tonight, and i really don't master plater at all but i'll take time some day to check that

[limber lion]

Yeah same, 1:30am. Time to go to bed.

Good night bleedyboys.

[weary marten]

good night dude

[balmy condor]

[woven ruin]

Does shiv effect bone spike at all?

[dawn ivy]

shiv only increases nature dam so no

it is considered a physical bleed, so no amp from shiv

[woven ruin]

Thought so, was just being hopeful somehow lol

[strange python]

Hey there, new to rogue in general- but have been liking assassination spec alot. I am confused on talents for ST and AOE - the guides and wowhead say blindside and master assass for pure ST and to do elaborate planning and subterfuge for aoe. what legendary are they assuming for that? would those work independent of the legendary you choose? i am planning on using voldyck since my guild has some issues with execute phases, would i still use blindside and master then for raid no matter what? or would i use blindside and subterfuge since the extra bleed dmg comboing with voldyck? does that voldyck and the bonus bleed from subter outweigh the benefit of everytime leaving stealth getting the flat dmg from master assass? sorry for the rambling like i said i'm new to assass and rogue- appreciate any and all help!

[soft shale]

first of all formatting holy

also subter is only for m+

for general purpose cleave or aoe ct is the talent

first few rows only change on full on st you go blindside+deeper otherwise ep+ vigor is fine or better

of course poison bomb too on full st

[loud trench]

does anyone have mouseover macros for garrote? does it work the same for rupture?

[balmy condor]

Agree, adding onto that, zoldyck is only really used for aoe atm, doomblade for most bosses

[balmy condor]

I tried it and hated it, but it works for some

[loud trench]

yea i was going to try it for CoB since trying to tab target i feel like I am going to lose melee on the prio target

[amber mountain]

I do, but I'm also trying to learn to tab target without panicking >.<
Something about giving up the manual targeting and trusting the game

Granted, I also have the ultimate mouse cursor WA so I can always track my mouse

[loud trench]

what is this WA? O.o

[balmy condor]

Changes your cursor into a circle

[loud trench]

oh lol

[amber mountain]

yep

https://wago.io/ZbjlsgMkp/19

[dawn ivy]

i couldnt stand not having a cursor so i just have the circle around the cursor lol

[strange python]

yea i am bad at formatting everything lol thanks for the info apprecaite it!

[dusk basalt]

anyone got any insight into how rogues looking in 9.1? trying to choose a spec to main

assassination is my favourite

[loud trench]

thanks

[amber mountain]

YW

[strange python]

according to wowhead it seems 9.1 assass will shine- the unh DK nerf is gonna free up melee spots the same with the veng DH nerf so havoc DH will have a chance to come now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSjSQcpV5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnr6KoPOK9w @dusk basalt

[dusk basalt]

okay cool that sounds good

just need to figure out what legendaries to craft then

[amber mountain]

what covenant?

[gloomy knoll]

havoc still rpobably won't be played

dk's are still very good

[strange python]

This vid is a bit outdated, but it says necro will be best- i would check for yourself on that one though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UukgH3ALic @amber mountain

[gloomy knoll]

you need to be a highly competitive melee to take their spot

either buff you otherwise wouldn't get

or damage well above a dk

and dk dam is still good

[strange python]

well havoc 9.1 ptr says 15% dmg buff to 4 of their abilities- we shall see lol

[gloomy knoll]

they also got a 100% nerf to their ubc

[dusk basalt]

thanks for the information

[strange python]

i would rather bet on assass or out rogue rather than havoc dh for sure tho sprout

[frail fossil]

i would not ever recommend videos has a trustable way to get informations

[cloud reef]

Rise up sub rogues

[frail fossil]

that stuff gets outdated in one ptr update

if it's not already wrong when it's released

[gloomy knoll]

it's also just clickbait 99.9% of the time

like

oh hey sub got a 5% aura buff

POSSIBLY BEST SPEC EVER SWAP NOW SUB DOMINATION

[frail fossil]

the 5 safest classes are literally just play any ranged

[gloomy knoll]

like chill fam

[frail fossil]

if u say anything else than any range specs u lying

[gloomy knoll]

both leather boe's

are crit mastery

good thing the only leather class that likes mastery is druid

sigh

fuckin hate druids man

[strange python]

same hate droods

[balmy condor]

CRIT MASTERY SUB MOON M+ INSANE DEEPS 500 MPH GIGA CHAD ENERGY BLASTING KEYS

[gloomy knoll]

would be nice if we got some crit haste at least

or at least 2 diff statted items

like why the fuck do they both have mastery

every other armor type has two diff stats but leather just like nah boomies like crit mast put it on both

[frail fossil]

did the video really put rogue as a safe class to say

[balmy condor]

So hacha can cream at night

[frail fossil]

the melee specs

that has 0 raid utility

so safe

[frail fossil]

that is a pvp guide

[soft shale]

only good thing about those 2 boes is the stat spread for wrists is finished finally

but pants are ugh because of kt pants

i cant whale my $$ to get 12% leech again

[balmy condor]

Yo I didn’t mean the cream literally homie chill

[soft shale]

i didnt deny it tho

we safe

[modern heart]

as a dk main this tier, i approve of going sin

[frail fossil]

[soft shale]

[balmy condor]

So dk gameplay on stream week 2 of raid?

[frail fossil]

[modern heart]

yes

[frail fossil]

delete ur dk

is the only solution

[modern heart]

gladly

[soft shale]

what i like about assa is that now you can pve in 2v2 to 2100 quite easy in 9.1

for ez hc week weapons

[balmy condor]

“Hey can you”
“No only 60 is rogue sorry”
“But didn’t you..”
“Only 60 is rogue”

[modern heart]

think 2nd char destro

[frail fossil]

just say ur alt is an enhancement shaman

[modern heart]

to mix it up

[frail fossil]

BROOO UR SO DOOMED

DKs and warlock as alt

u aint playing rogue

[soft shale]

imagine my friend that was a rogue but had an sp boomie and warlock as alts

havent played rogue in 4 years poor sod

[gloomy knoll]

i'll prob do spriest alt this tier

[frail fossil]

spriest is pretty fun to play

[gloomy knoll]

basically just a direct upgrade to sin tbh

[frail fossil]

i just cba gearing it at this point

[gloomy knoll]

it's literally just a better sin

[soft shale]

i have druid i really like feral

but i cba to equip it

[modern heart]

nothing is better than sin

[soft shale]

flower with the hacha takes man idk how i used to have 5 chars at hc/mythic gearing

[frail fossil]

i literally had a dk with 180 ilv and IQD week 1

[soft shale]

i do have to level 1 char to get alchemy

but so lazy

[red prawn]

does cloak of shadows remove grievous stacks

[soft shale]

nope

[balmy condor]

I apologize for calling you an outlaw otp, mr. Flavor of the month

[red prawn]

what about crimson vial

[soft shale]

only if you get to 90%

[balmy condor]

Crimson vial heals

[loud light]

was this necesary in every spec channel

[balmy condor]

So yeah

[red prawn]

ok thanks

[balmy condor]

Also that

Don’t spam channels

You’ll get a quick mute

[frail fossil]

the twist is, i was playing blood dk

[soft shale]

blood dk is kind of good in 9.1 at least

[modern heart]

still lack dmg

[frail fossil]

idk i just think it's fun

would have played it more if i enjoyed m+ this patch

[modern heart]

its how i do torghast

[red prawn]

sorry, i just wanted a quick answer from a channel that was active, i won't do it again'

i deleted my othert ones

[gloomy knoll]

blood dk is very fun

just lacks damage and mitigation sadge

[modern heart]

run to boss and limb

[frail fossil]

dont give mitigation to blood tho

[gloomy knoll]

they go be useless until you do kek

they been bad almost as long as sub has

[modern heart]

nah if you give them more dmg they're fine

[gloomy knoll]

they were good in legion and then blizzard said your time has come

[frail fossil]

?

bdk was good for raiding

[modern heart]

bro i miss the sub days

[frail fossil]

for a fucking while

WF N"zoth had a bdk

idk i would say that is pretty good

[balmy condor]

bRo CoRrUpTiOn DoEsNt CoUnT

[modern heart]

haste stacking sin rogue

garrote dmg

120k dps on maut

[frail fossil]

corruption did account for BDK's lack of dmg tho it is true

[balmy condor]

Ngl the more I think about 8.3 the less I like 8.3

[frail fossil]

they ran echoing void

[balmy condor]

Eb crit was good

[frail fossil]

and it did literally infinite damage

[balmy condor]

Exsang was kinda okay

Being perma capped energy

Not good

Don’t like that

[modern heart]

nvm i only hit 112k dps

[soft shale]

8.3 was really fun

but only because of vendor

[balmy condor]

Energy management is like, a thing to care about on sin

[soft shale]

before it was hell on earth

[balmy condor]

And then just lululul 80% haste in town

[soft shale]

funny thing about energy i did make a 100% crit set

and the dps was abyssmal ahahaha

even if you were fury gcd capped level

[modern heart]

can i link my maut log ?

[balmy condor]

[soft shale]

mut envenom mut envenom

[balmy condor]

100% crit bad? Who knew

[soft shale]

tell that to fire mages

[balmy condor]

I mean sure I guess

[modern heart]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LxQABPwWHkrG41zh#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=6

[soft shale]

that build got popular at the end

[frail fossil]

it was dogshit

[modern heart]

i liked it

[frail fossil]

the 100% crit fire mage build i mean

[modern heart]

the combust every pack ?

ye that was also fun

[frail fossil]

no that's not it

[modern heart]

D;

[balmy condor]

People for some reason think that hard stacking one stat was just the end all of corruption

Smh

Bro just 9900000 haste

Just get 70000% mastery

[soft shale]

it was really fun getting to 200% vers and being immune to damage tho

[balmy condor]

Just run 100% crit

[frail fossil]

i mean idk wouldn't crit je be bad at a point ?

[balmy condor]

Every crit build at the end of ny’alotha was like half strikethroughs

[frail fossil]

like do u need more thab 50% chance ?

[soft shale]

of course it was ass

[frail fossil]

or smth

[soft shale]

you needed crit damage 100%

[balmy condor]

And people were running like IS and Void and Twi Dev

But people remember the stats more I guess

[dusk basalt]

necro for single target, how bad is it? if I want to play M+ and Raid 9.1 is necro okay?

[balmy condor]

yes

it's close to venthyr in single target

[dusk basalt]

cool very good

[hollow river]

quoting this for later references

when someone comes asking for stat prio and how much haste they should have; we give them this.

[balmy condor]

no you send them to the big "stop worrying about secondaries" in bold in the pins

like a good boy

[hollow river]

[plain thistle]

[soft shale]

that quote is epic

i do feel assa is going to be fun with the new powers at least the extra 8% one is lit

[hollow river]

extra 8% one?

[gloomy knoll]

is that crit change to sbs on live

or is that only ptr

[shy dust]

Ptr

[gloomy knoll]

darn

also ty

[fervent rune]

whats the best way to shiv in m+ with trash packs

[balmy condor]

I would suggest hitting the button

usually a good way to shiv

:P

[mint anvil]

@modern heart Get outa here

[idle shard]

Would you guys craft a 190 leggo or wait a couple weeks to craft a 210

[wraith jolt]

why does sepsis feel right as assassination rogue

[balmy condor]

not sure, I never really liked it

the stealth ability part of it is especially bad

[wraith jolt]

whys that

[balmy condor]

we ignore it completely

whats the point

[wraith jolt]

i meant like sepsis matches the spec, poisons and stuff

[balmy condor]

eh

it doesn't interact with anything except shiv

[wraith jolt]

also whats wrong with the stealth ability part

wouldn't it be just a free ambush or something

or cheap shpot

shot*

[idle shard]

@balmy condor so 190 leggo or wait till 210

[balmy condor]

it's not free

[idle shard]

I usually wait for 210 for the ilvl lol

[balmy condor]

then wait

that's fine

[balmy condor]

also the fact that it's not free is why we ignore the proc at the end

[mighty hazel]

is any assassin spec have heal for friends

[balmy condor]

what

[mighty hazel]

im in lich king dungeon i have to heal this valithria lol

[shy dust]

Band aids

[balmy condor]

yeah bandages are the only way

[mighty hazel]

ays didnt buy them wasnt know there is something like this lol

[dawn ivy]

getting a rank 3 parse on a fight and then noticing this

fucking end my existence i got PI this week

[shy dust]

No

[gloomy knoll]

you can shadowstep a homie

[strange python]

Apologies for the basic question but I can't find this anywhere. What do "flag" and "sin build" refer to

[hollow river]

Venthyr covenant build?

Or building combo points?

[balmy condor]

flag is flagellation, the venthyr ability, sin build is idk, I guess what talents you're running on sin?

not really a term that exists honestly

[shrewd current]

is Doomblade likely going to be dethroned as the 'go-to' legendary in 9.1? or am I safe to craft it now as my first leggo?

(Necrolord, btw)

[silent fossil]

just craft a 190

[shrewd current]

was gonna go with 210 (dont have enough Soul Ash for higher anyway)

[silent fossil]

patch isn’t even announced, should have time to farm relevant soul ash for another slot or legendary by the time it drops

[shrewd current]

hm true that

[frank venture]

Are people getting necro renown up 9.1 or are most people confident venthyr will still be bis for raiding?

Just working on an assassin rogue alt atm

[silent fossil]

venthyr is hardly bis now except for pure st scenarios which is minor even then

[frank venture]

Well im 36 renown with venthyr now, I'll get it to 40 this week and get necro up to 40 aswell then

[shrewd current]

I really like Necro on my sin rogue, for both pve and pvp

[silent fossil]

👍

[frank venture]

Then I have the flexibility to swap in 9.1

Will only be using for m+ and raid, doubt I'll use for pvp

[shrewd current]

only complaint about Necro I have is that you cant use Fleshcraft while stealthed haha, but thatd be a bit OP anyway

[silent fossil]

i’ve been necro for like 7-8 weeks now and can count the number of times i’ve used fleshcraft in or out of combat on one hand

in raid that is

[shrewd current]

thats why you need a WeakAura to remind you!

[silent fossil]

our healers would rather me take the damage to try and parse anyway. we all know healing parses don’t matter though

[shrewd current]

hahahaha fair point

[severe narwhal]

roguee boys

does sin do more damage then NF fury warrior ?

in a mythic + setting

[spice spire]

Hard to imagine it does

It can but it depends on the skill and gear of the rogue

[shy dust]

Id doubt it fury warrior

Slaps in keys

[spice spire]

Well yeah, but if it’s a 10 ilvl diff there’s a chance lol - was kind of my point

[loud birch]

!cds

!cd

Fuk

[spice spire]

What are you looking for?

[loud birch]

Mythic sire timeline

For 2-1-1 sadly

[spice spire]

Ahhh @limber lion this is a question geared for you, papi

Hopefully he’ll be awake soon, that’s the one fight I can’t answer you for, unfortunately 😦

[loud birch]

No probs! I’m just only on my phone rn and it’s hard af to navigate logs. I just know I’m supposed to hold a vendetta. But our strat of me being a 5 man squad that kills gloomveil makes that hard

If that’s what we continue with I’ll just settle for 5 flangs

Flags

[spice spire]

Ahhh yeah. I know the big thing is to try to hold vendetta for p3 so you can get one at the beginning and one for the lust timing

[loud birch]

Yep

[spice spire]

But as for the entire fight I’m not 100% sure on the mappings so I’d rather ping someone who knows a bit more. Rae should also know

I corrected

[shy dust]

You’re cding p1 twice?

[loud birch]

Yeah

[shy dust]

Then you only cooldown P2 once with your assigned add

And hold the next vendetta for p3

[loud birch]

It’s 2-1-1 and they made a 5 man team with me in it for gloom

And everyone else stays on sire

[shy dust]

Yes then once in P2

And the other two in p3

[loud birch]

We’re killing gloom around 6:15 tho 😦

[shy dust]

Killing gloom around 6:15?

What

[loud birch]

I’ll suggest we send the murder gang over

Earlier

[shy dust]

Your add assignment is at 6 min?

If your required to cd then you have to ofc

Just calculate what time you enter P2 is

And see if you will have vendetta up for when your time to burn add

[loud birch]

Haha nah they just changed gloom to earlier waaaaay good

[shy dust]

Just depending on the time frame

You’ll have to see if you can use a vendetta

[loud birch]

Yep yep. We were good on burning the ads

We’re just trying to get more p3 Dam at this point

[shy dust]

Are you getting two vendetta in?

[loud birch]

Now I will be

[shy dust]

Good

[humble ginkgo]

Ik this is fucking shriek heroic but can someone take l,ook at logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zb4xvth1nFfDXyA3/#fight=last&type=damage-done

did I fuck up some shit

[spice spire]

Wasted some SBS CP but if you’re worrying about parsing

It’s your kill time

[humble ginkgo]

no

[spice spire]

He got a phase off

[humble ginkgo]

I am trying to learn assa

lol

[spice spire]

Oh

[humble ginkgo]

i could care less about parse

[spice spire]

So like in depth look

[humble ginkgo]

just want to get better

[spice spire]

Got it

[humble ginkgo]

if you want

[spice spire]

One quick thing just in the first few casts, first cast should be SBS. But it looks like you auto pulled from trash because you immediately casted SnD, you want as much bleed time as humanly possible. This is minor and does very little, but just as a note. I see the logic in the late cast, open on SnD > Mut > 4CP rupture but you’re also missing one bit crit that way. Again, minor. It’s a bit harder to view shriekwing due to his phasing but everything seems in order.
You hit your CDs twice, I’m assuming your uptime on rupture and garrote is less than ideal due to the intermission phase. You only overcapped 3 egregious CP (try to avoid on bone spike) rest of the 12 were seal fate and 3 shiv which happens

[balmy condor]

quake the log reviewer

[humble ginkgo]

wait what

I first casted SBS

into snd

I used sbs at 1 sec prepull

maybe it didnt show

[shy dust]

You pressed shiv

After vanish ended

Not ideal I must say

[balmy condor]

I can agree with that

[humble ginkgo]

wym

[shy dust]

Well yah forgot to press shiv in your opener

Until after your MA Window endowed

Ended

[humble ginkgo]

Oh

shit

[shy dust]

Instead of before

[humble ginkgo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[humble ginkgo]

oh I see

[shy dust]

Yah forgot to shiv before your vanish

[spice spire]

Wait the opener was even worse. 21 hours awake

That’s all I went by

The garrote makes it even more

[shy dust]

Wym the garrote is fine

That’s not within stealth MA window

Since he said he used SBS pre pull and it didn’t show on logs

[spice spire]

I’m assuming mut went to four like a jabroni holy. It’s late lmao

And I totally missed the PP. it makes a lot more sense this way

[gloomy knoll]

wait

sbs on pull is pog

ima start doing that

[shy dust]

That is the correct opener as necro

[shrewd current]

unrelated question to the current discussion, but is there a Macro conditional that we can use for Subterfuge? I hate using it because my skill bars are set up in such a way that it doesn't really show stealth abilities when not actually stealthed

[shy dust]

As in using sbs as first global

[gloomy knoll]

i been doing it after bleeds but it's hella wonky depending on cp

like if i get 3 cp i just sbs then garret

if i get 4 i garret then rup then sbs

this way better yea lol

[spice spire]

You definitely sbs first global

[gloomy knoll]

yea seems way better

[shy dust]

Sbs SnD

[humble ginkgo]

Okay

so this is proper way to use shiv

Mutilate
Slice and Dice
Mutilate
Garrote
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

right after vendetta

do I use trinket when I use vendetta?

past sins always alligns

with vendetta

yea im not used to that

also

FUCK huntsman

god man

how am I supposed to keep up with the dots on the dog

if its constantly running away

[wide hawk]

it's a tanking thing

[spice spire]

Plater helps. Usually had someone bring it in for a few seconds then back out as the soul was about to happen

[humble ginkgo]

Yea it was a pug so I doubt I can help it

[spice spire]

So you just dot em and go

[drifting cloud]

you run after it? thats why you have sprint and step

[humble ginkgo]

and its like a alt group

they do no dmg

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[humble ginkgo]

I just killed huntsman

I recall clearly that I had to run after the dog

dot it up

and when I came back

rupture dropped from huntsman

I dont like multi target

[shrewd current]

ive not done a single Shadowlands dungeon on my rogue yet because I dont like AoE as Sin haha

[wide hawk]

heh, you can RP walk to the other side of huntsman's room in the time it takes for a full rupture to wear off :P

[humble ginkgo]

yea but it wasnt full obv

[wide hawk]

but it is the way

[spice spire]

Huntsman on sin is pretty huge

[humble ginkgo]

yea

it was fun

tbh

yo this spec kinda banger

[spice spire]

AoE definitely takes some getting used to. It’s the “hard” part of the spec. While ST is just maintain and spam

[shrewd current]

is AoE, particularly like 4-5 targets, really just FoK and spamming Rupture on everything?

[spice spire]

If you’re doing a dungeon, you’ll more than likely be running subterfuge, open on 4 garrotes, Crimson tempest, FoK > at least 4 CP > rupture

And maintain bleeds as optimally as possible

Slam shiv on CD

[shrewd current]

ah yea I forgot about CT

[spice spire]

And pending your covenant and (possibly?) leggo , there are other things in between

Like sbs or MA night stalker CT cheese damage

[shrewd current]

sbs4lyfe

[humble ginkgo]

I can literally go make coffee, make a sandwich, get a wife, 3 kids, a car, a 9 to 5 office job between each envenom

[shy dust]

Get an accepted guild application too?

[humble ginkgo]

nah

thats for next lifetime

[shy dust]

Just learn the useful raid spec

And you’re better off

[humble ginkgo]

I mean sin is fun

just need to play it more

and stop doing opener mistakes

and learn how to multi target

[gloomy knoll]

sin multi target is bussin

2-3 target sin is as fun as sub imo

[shrewd current]

"as fun as sub" is not a very high standard in my book

[gloomy knoll]

it's the highest of honors

for a rogue

[winter gale]

Play sin.

[shrewd current]

I think I dislike the spec for the same reason I dislike the Subterfuge talent

it messes with my muscle memory and keybinds and I can't deal.

and im unable to fix it with macros

[humble ginkgo]

is this shiv usage good?

@shy dust

[shrewd current]

I think it was Vendetta -> Shiv -> Vanish

[sacred isle]

Yes vendetta before shiv

[dire spoke]

[sacred isle]

That second sbs shouldn’t really be before vendetta shiv either

[balmy condor]

The rupture is fine, then you vend, shiv vanish, mut

[humble ginkgo]

fuck ok

but why?

jw

[molten moon]

is duelist still best for M+ or double potency?

[balmy condor]

Cause you want to get everything ticking first (snd/gar/rup), then you want to vend to increase all of that, once you have vend going, you stack the shiv on top, and then vanish for the crit so you can get the big envenom, crit on the empowered poisons, etc

[balmy condor]

Usually would run theotar with wasteland or double potency theotar/nadjia. Duelist kinda blows in cleave/aoe so you want to avoid it

[humble ginkgo]

makes sense

[shrewd current]

oh shit I almost forgot to do Dragon Soul this week

gotta get them lego transmogs

[raven geode]

Am I reading the pinned messages correctly sudden fractures conduit over others in M+? I apologize for the dumb question but I only have one conduit energy left so I wanna get it right or I'm boned for another 24 hours.

[balmy condor]

We take it in single target usually as well yeah

Feel free to sim it though

[raven geode]

Been trying outlaw because my guild is pressuring me into conforming for keys but it's so damn hectic my brain is too soft for all that so I'm just gonna stick sin.

[drifting cloud]

not very nice of your guild

unless I somehow doubt youre doing higher than like 23s

if someone in my guilds asks me to go outlaw im just gonna leave the group

[balmy condor]

What if they ask you to play sub

[drifting cloud]

well they wouldnt ask I guess

[balmy condor]

That’s a red flag for me

[drifting cloud]

Ive forgot how to play sub tbh

probably for the best

whispyr please dont make sub fotm in 9.1

[balmy condor]

I’ll erase the scriptures

Bury them in the desert

[drifting cloud]

wait dont let push see this I still dream of getting into colour one day

[raven geode]

So are we rioting for these 5 target cleave test dummies in the necrolord hall next tier?

[drifting cloud]

where the mop penguin

[balmy condor]

Not gonna happen

[raven geode]

The riot or the test dummies

[balmy condor]

Both

[simple holly]

I'd sin aoe similar to feral? .. Without pw obviously

[balmy condor]

We rioted about dummies in alpha, and beta, and it didn’t do anything

Riot done

[raven geode]

You know I'm not good at much of anything that isnt stupid but I could start a riot at HQ

[simple holly]

Is sin aoe*

[raven geode]

Ah I see

[balmy condor]

Does feral multidot everything and have an aoe bleed to maintain?

[simple holly]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Then I guess it’s similar yeah

[simple holly]

Trying the switch from feral, as during mythic prog I had to play Boomie for a few fights, and I fuckin hate boomkin.

Rogue can't play boomkin right?

Just checking

[raven geode]

We have poisoned knife

You could throw that around

[simple holly]

As long as it doesn't come with an eclipse system, I'm ok with that

[raven geode]

Dont forget to poison it

[grave ivy]

We don’t have CA/convoke, but we do stab things

[shrewd current]

stabs > moons

[simple holly]

Feral convoke>>>>>chicken convoke

[shrewd current]

I went necro on my druid, no more convoke for me :(

[simple holly]

Ewww. Even more useless in aoe

[grim jay]

So I joined a new guild and they are at denny myth, with current gear would you recommend doomblade or zoldyck?
I used zoldyck mostly in the guild before because there were issues in p3 damagewise

[drifting cloud]

if youre phasing to p3 at 37.5 sure why not

but with the nerf it probably doesnt matter either way

[untold nest]

Not a massive difference in dmg tbh if ur guild has issues with dmg even after the nerf ur leggo choice prob aint the issue

Its you guys not getting there with 20 ppl alive or losing to many on the nasty overlap/blood prices

[humble ginkgo]

if ur progging im guessing zoldyck

bc p3 is the only thing that matters

but ion know much

[hazy crater]

Well zoldyck is more P3 dmg and if thats the issue I would definitely go that route

on prog