assassination

[dawn ivy]

yeah our best bet is probably going to be throwing doomblade on cloak coming into 9.1

[balmy condor]

I might craft dashing

Just because

[limber lion]

Necrolord with the Doomblade on cloak is looking like the play so far, but you never know if Blizzard goes nuts and buffs Kyrian by 300%

[gusty mirage]

everyone laughed at me

for being an owlboy

and I deserved it

[dawn ivy]

I still hope whispyr pings us one day and says he missed something in the APL and dashing sims better

[mighty willow]

Dash could be very good with crit buffs from thorgast

in mm+ atleast

[woeful glade]

Sorry I'm probably msising something but how can we put Doom on cloak?

Are they making new slots available?

[limber lion]

That's a 9.1 only thing.

[balmy condor]

I already looked at all the dashing specific stuff with the time to death changes I made

[limber lion]

Yes, we get new slots for 9.1.

[woeful glade]

Right

[balmy condor]

so sadly I don't see a world with dashing

[dawn ivy]

@balmy condor CHECK AGAIN

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Remember in Legion

when we had Dashing from our tier set

[balmy condor]

open a ticket https://forms.gle/xxWmFe76XfhaML7J9

[limber lion]

and MA/Zold legendaries

[dawn ivy]

[limber lion]

3 legendaries by today's standards

and now we only get 1

[dawn ivy]

i just like a legendary that in theory effects your gameplay

[limber lion]

Me too, I'm tired of the passive legendaries.

[balmy condor]

we don't have one of those

[dawn ivy]

even if its 1 energy a second like dashing

[limber lion]

MA is probably the only one that alters gameplay and that's literally 4 gcd's once every 2 minutes

so nothing crazy

[balmy condor]

but it's just the talent we use anyway

[limber lion]

Yuuuup, rip

[dawn ivy]

buff duskwalkers even more to give us 1 minute vendettas

[balmy condor]

still wouldn't be worth it

[dawn ivy]

[balmy condor]

I can sim that for you though if you'd like

[dawn ivy]

i guess I will accept doomblade one day

[hollow escarp]

remove vendetta and add a 30% aura buff

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Ya'll come up with the craziest stuff.

[dawn ivy]

make vendetta pair with TB, ez

[limber lion]

What's TB?

[dawn ivy]

sorry forgot what year it was

S H I V

[gusty mirage]

true bearing?

[dawn ivy]

seriously what a wierd decision for them to make

[limber lion]

[dawn ivy]

pairing a damage cd with a utility spell for one spec

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

And not only a damage spell, but arguably our most valuable damage ability that's on a 25s cd

[dawn ivy]

and it had an entirely different spell id and name and icon

like it was two entirely different spell lmao

[tulip nacelle]

[balmy condor]

okay boyo's

[rose pawn]

what up fellow assassins, i just switch from sub because i just found out they suck

[balmy condor]

lets see this duskwalker supremacy

[rose pawn]

does icy veins talent tree pretty acurate?

[balmy condor]

icyveins and wowhead are both up to date and accurate

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uH5yGXF5p7vM18VJV9bMsd so this is a simple comparison on things on live atm with venthyr

now we buff

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xtPKYdKt5XdYbwGrnxy7ZE unlucky

so we buff

[rose pawn]

subterfuge or master assassin?

[balmy condor]

for what content

[rose pawn]

well lets say for both pvp and pve

[balmy condor]

you would swap

[rose pawn]

i assume pvp is subterfuge

[balmy condor]

depending on situation

master assassin is better on 1 target

[humble ginkgo]

does sin have find weakness?

[balmy condor]

and subterfuge is better when there's more

[limber lion]

PvP is Sub, yeh.

[limber lion]

No we don't.

[rose pawn]

ok so ill go master for now since im doing pve content atm

[limber lion]

That's a sub-only thing.

[humble ginkgo]

why tf does this WA have a find weakness

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tsS7E2kgRntFzDo5Adv15f

[humble ginkgo]

unless its same icon for a diff ability?

[limber lion]

Maybe it tracks Envenom and not FW?

Try using Env and see what happens

[humble ginkgo]

it appears there

[rose pawn]

what is ambush?

[humble ginkgo]

on the left

[balmy condor]

garbage

[limber lion]

It's a shitty ability, that's what it is

[hollow escarp]

what wa pack is that?

[humble ginkgo]

atrocity

[limber lion]

Atrocity

[humble ginkgo]

bought it since jmy's ui didnt come with sin/sub

[rose pawn]

lol because i picked blindside in talent tier 1

[humble ginkgo]

and I waspissed

[hollow escarp]

then it's a placeholder for a talent I guess

[humble ginkgo]

I see

[hollow escarp]

but it's weird

[balmy condor]

yeah that's when it's good

[hollow escarp]

to have it like that

[rose pawn]

and it tells me it can proc it free sometimes

[balmy condor]

cause it's free

[humble ginkgo]

yea

its not placeholder

[balmy condor]

but otherwise it's trash

[limber lion]

Maybe it's some trinket shenanigans or something

[humble ginkgo]

no its not

[rose pawn]

i just dont see it in the book lol

[humble ginkgo]

placeholder is diff icon

[limber lion]

What is the name of it in the WA?

[balmy condor]

it's in there

[humble ginkgo]

ill just del it

its called

Sub : find weakness buff

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oeMs5Db7JfqAxWBQJ93ZWp here ya go

[rose pawn]

yea i found it i was on page two 😦

[humble ginkgo]

debuff*

[hollow escarp]

check spec

[humble ginkgo]

oh yea

its ticked for sin aswell

for some reason

[limber lion]

Welp weird

[humble ginkgo]

I have my WA's set up weirdly

[hollow escarp]

Afenar has it as a progress bar

[woeful glade]

So as far as we know there is no way to add domination sockets to leggos right?

[humble ginkgo]

I have it so that only on sub/sin atrocity will load

then on outlaw its fragnance

[limber lion]

Not that we know of.

[humble ginkgo]

then on other classes I use whatever I feel like

[woeful glade]

That seems silly huh..

[limber lion]

Sort of.

We'll just have to play around em

We're getting more lege slots anyways

[humble ginkgo]

Also as sin

[woeful glade]

Yeaaa but it still seems excessively punishing

[humble ginkgo]

do I use sbs same way as on outlaw?

only use it if it gets me to the right ammount of combo points to use a finisher?

@balmy condor

[limber lion]

No

You dump SBS charges during gemstones

Oh sorry, you didn't ask me.

My bad.

[humble ginkgo]

no no

I just thought no one was looking at chat

so I pinged him

but okay I guess

[limber lion]

I'm always looking at chat.

[humble ginkgo]

why only in gemstone though

like

[limber lion]

But yeh, first gcd is SBS

[balmy condor]

because it's more efficient in gemstone

[limber lion]

Then during gemstones only

[humble ginkgo]

in opener I start with sbs?

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble ginkgo]

so

[hollow escarp]

sbs snd mut

[humble ginkgo]

SBS snd mutillate garotte rupture

[hollow escarp]

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[whole bluff]

I assume this is only for st? in aoe we don't have to wait for gems?

[humble ginkgo]

but have u guys not seen how outlaw does it for sbs

why would it change for sin?

[limber lion]

Same rules apply, you dot everything up with SBS

[balmy condor]

priority on sbs:

1. dot things
2. don't overcap
3. gemstones

[humble ginkgo]

Because its a dps loss to use sbs outside of when it gets you to max combo points

[limber lion]

Feel free to sim it yourself skip

[humble ginkgo]

well thats the thing

[limber lion]

I'm sure the Theorycrafters will appreciate it.

[humble ginkgo]

the apl messes up

sbs usage

[shy dust]

Skip

[humble ginkgo]

Hi

[shy dust]

What do you mean why would it change for sin

The specs play drastically different

[humble ginkgo]

yes but why would SBS change out of all

[shy dust]

Because it’s a very efficient builder

Sin does not have one

[humble ginkgo]

oh yea

I forgot ig

[limber lion]

It also benefits from Seal Fate

So more crit = higher chance for more CP

[shy dust]

It’s not like holding for gemstones causes you to ovecap either

[humble ginkgo]

also do I always rupture at max cp or -1?

or can I rupture at 3

[limber lion]

Max-1

That applies to all finishers, but SnD

There are some cases where applying a shorter duration rupture is fine

[humble ginkgo]

I never had to reapply snd

is it just how it works on sin?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[limber lion]

Read your passives.

[shy dust]

I’d recommend learning the basics of a spec

Before asking some questions

[limber lion]

[shy dust]

Like one of the guides we have

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[humble ginkgo]

also

why is ambush such a bad ability

ik im supposed to only use it with the proc

is it that bad without the proc lol

[shy dust]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[shy dust]

Wrong one

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[humble ginkgo]

damn nvm too much energy

lol

[shy dust]

There’s your answer

[humble ginkgo]

anyways sin is actually decently fun

I like the burst window

[limber lion]

Anything is burst when compared to Outlaw.

[gusty mirage]

[dawn ivy]

adrenaline rush BTE burst is huge wdym

[limber lion]

Might wanna peek at 9.1 Obedience Subtlety if you're looking for burst.

[humble ginkgo]

I will still main outlaw

but

I reached out to a guild I applied

and he gave a good reason

for why I was not picked

and made me realize

I need to learn all 3 specs and play whatever is best for prog

and sin is like giga bis on st next tier

[limber lion]

As you should

[limber lion]

Is it though?

Sub is simming more in st

[humble ginkgo]

well its best melee ST spec innit

oh well

I like sub

[limber lion]

Great

But yeh, Assa wins in cleave, with current numbers Sub wins in ST and Outlaw in heavy AoE.

Everyone has their thing.

Assa still probably best overall for raiding.

[humble ginkgo]

Should I always make sure that my dots are reapplied before I press shiv to get as many env through?

I think thats just what is logical

[limber lion]

You should never let your bleeds drop and you only reapply during pandemic

So if you have to reapply during Shiv, so be it

[humble ginkgo]

okay

[limber lion]

You don't need to get X number of Envenoms in Shiv windows.

[shy dust]

True

Assa burst ISNT even that good

[limber lion]

Agree

[shy dust]

It’s a far cry from 8.3

I think even previous tiers of bfa assa had more burst

DoNt even show up on the meters on pull

[ancient kraken]

end of bfa with max corruption was nice burst

[limber lion]

Exsang was a lot of fun.

[pure moth]

Atleast they communicated with you. I contacted one via discord and haven't got a response for the past week so far. Red flag there for communication.

[strange python]

how much haste is good before deeper strategem becomes more viable over vigor

[winter vapor]

sim to be sure

depends on covenant and other gear as well afaik

[strange python]

necro so no haste button

[shy dust]

Well generally

It’s accepted that no response is a no

Especially after a week id say

[limber lion]

You gotta sim it. They're both really close for Necro.

[pure moth]

Generally id agree. But atleast reply to a message with a reason

[limber lion]

There is no haste% to aim for

[shy dust]

Sometimes there are many applicants

And it’s just too much effort to give them all a response

Best of luck with the next app

[humble ginkgo]

yea I mean i'd rather get a clear no with a message than just being left without a response yk

so I was glad

and we actually had a chill convo after

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's honestly more common not getting a response than actually getting one.

Don't ever expect a response if it's a negative one.

[drowsy coral]

Just spam application for guild that fits you, eventually you'll find one

I've had 2 guild not answering to me and one that did eventually

[limber lion]

There's guilds that have dozens of applicants and people who apply to 20+ guilds at once

[shy dust]

Just send in those apps

[limber lion]

Like it's a grind.

[shy dust]

It only takes one yes

[limber lion]

Just keep at it.

[pure moth]

Yup

[humble ginkgo]

yea

I applied to 25 or around that

[pure moth]

There was one guild that actually had 17 rogue apps. Which was crazy

[drowsy coral]

25

[limber lion]

As you should.

You don't send Method an application and expect a response back.

There are guilds looking for rogues, so just keep at it. And keep the goals realistic.

No point applying to a CE guild if you've never stepped into a mythic raid before.

[drowsy coral]

I believe logs help a lot if you have the opportunity to polish them

Even if it's on the ~5 mythic bosses you've done

[limber lion]

Heroic logs do as well, believe it or not.

Especially when applying to lower tier mythic prog guilds

[drowsy coral]

I guess

I assumed wrongfully that the guy wanted to get into a CE guild

[shy dust]

Just gotta make yourself stand out to a guild

Easiest way is generally logs

[drowsy coral]

Feels like it's even more important for rogues

[loud trench]

For sire prog, I’m assuming it more important to take poison bomb than CT? I see a lot of people playing ep/vig/CT but is that just for the ph1 parce and add cleaves in ph2?

Mythic

[balmy condor]

CT helps in p3 with all the movement

boss moves out of PB a fair bit

but it's also just better cleave/aoe

[loud trench]

Yea this is true I didn’t think about that

In ph1 looking at logs it’s hard to tell but are people generally saving CT for echos? I know it’s not a spam finisher and just a bleed I’m just curious for the initial cleave

[limber lion]

Yes, you build to max-1 CP and then CT - FOK when the adds spawn

[loud trench]

For each add spawn correct? Even if the bleed is still up on sire

[limber lion]

Yes

[loud trench]

Thanks. I am necro as well and I heard a rumor ther sbs charges are refunded for the st on baron/ever adds, is that still a thing or was that hit fixed

Hot

[limber lion]

It's still a thing.

But they are not sbs charges

We just get more CP

I mean we get the refunds like normal, but that's not what's bugged about em

[loud trench]

Okay great, last question before I get deeper into logs, for catalyst phases, after applying dots I’m assuming FoK and CT on sire and the two adds as well? Garrote/rupt sire, garrote the two adds and then CT sire? For 5 effective bleeds?

Cabalist*

Or I guess gar/rupt remoria could work as well?

[limber lion]

CT? What is all of this about CT

CT is an AOE finisher

You use it on everything

And it does not give you energy

Only Gar/Rup do

So what you would do is garrote and rupture Sire and Remornia, rupturing the cabalists

And using CT on everything

[loud trench]

Okay thanks for clarifying!

[limber lion]

No worries buddy.

[indigo mulch]

I wish i knew how to use sbs properly.

The only fight i can somewhat get decent logs at is huntsman

All my other logs is just absolut trash

[pure moth]

Link logs here. I'm sure someone is willing to go through them for ya.

[indigo mulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qpzVDYJxhdPf7yNW#fight=14&type=damage-done

I know i'm doing the opener wrong but that was before i knew you should use SBS from stealth. D:

[drowsy coral]

I mean beside Inerva where you can clearly improve, it doesn't look "thrash"

Then again if you have to do a ton of lazer and have to go soak out of melee range, that could explain it

I'm no expert in analyzing logs tho, you need to summon Cev or Whispyr

[indigo mulch]

Lets just @ both of them for an hour.

:>

I'm sure whispyr and cev gets super happy!

To parse good on innerva you need to be lucky with mechancis and not immune every single ghosts possible 😄

Running EP/Vig + ct is prob better aswell.

I guess

[drowsy coral]

Personally I still run PB on inerva

garote rupture the big one, sbs the small ones and pump on inerva

But yeah we don't immune anything so I should prob run CT too, might help getting that 99

[gusty mirage]

You open with it, make sure you don't cap charges, and then dump them in the gemstones window. That part is EZ

your parses look fine, your hungering number would probably be better if you didn't have a 224 fire mage doing sub 4k dps lol

[idle shard]

by the way, anyone has a WA or anything that helps track SBS on multiple targets?

I find it a little confusing sometimes having to tab targets or look at plates moving lol

or when a target dies and I get a refund, to look around which targets dont have SBS

maybe Im just dumb lmao

[humble ginkgo]

tab

use a mouseover

macro

first of all

and I can send you a plater script that whenever you sbs an enemy the healthbar turns green or whatever color you want

[harsh anchor]

I got a WA that tells me if my current target has the SBS dot on it and if it doesnt, it'll say "press" as I tab over a pull of mobs

[noble valve]

the plater script is the way to go

[compact pumice]

Any WA for it that just counts how many SBS you have up might be worth it but usually it's like... yeah just see it being on or not on Plater, custom color or just normal debuff tracking

[humble ginkgo]

yea

[noble valve]

it makes it so much easier

something like this

[humble ginkgo]

yup

[compact pumice]

I like to use nameplate color for threat/aggro instead

[humble ginkgo]

yeaq

but you make it a color

like mine

mine is green if I dont have aggro and its being tanked by someone

[noble valve]

^

[humble ginkgo]

and when I sbs the nameplate turns blue

its great trust

[mint anvil]

So apparently sin is the least played spec of rogue which is the least played class in retail.. Just a tad surprising considering our nutty ST and whatnot/execute etc

[dawn ivy]

where are you seeing that information?

[plain thistle]

yeah, where you saw that? on warcraflogs sin is the most played rogue spec

[humble ginkgo]

wait am I dumb for making doomblade?

[mint anvil]

https://imgur.com/a/Vd0X6aD By the guy who does these things

[humble ginkgo]

shouldnt have I made zoldyck for the execute

is this outdated or

[dawn ivy]

this is crazy outdated

[humble ginkgo]

nvm doomblade is most popular in raid

[dawn ivy]

@humble ginkgo zold is a great legendary for progging and getting really good dam where it matters

but doomblade will, over the entire fight do more dam

[idle shard]

damn thats nice

can I have it? lol

[noble valve]

https://wago.io/0AclEwFLS

works with threat colours but if you have a force threat override script it wont work if you have aggro on you

[balmy condor]

who is the guy that does these things

like I get it says Layniar

but I have no clue where he's getting that data from

also population of what

raids?

m+?

pvp?

all of the above?

the more I look at that graph the more questions I have

I don't trust that guy in the slightest

[dawn ivy]

it doesnt even hold up that well if you think of the first few weeks of 9.0

[balmy condor]

I mean he posted it 6 hours ago

so it's clearly supposed to be recent

[dawn ivy]

o

o no

[balmy condor]

yeah I have no clue dude

none of these numbers make sense

2.1% sub rogue, 1.2% sin rogue, 0.9% demo lock

so you're telling me there's TWICE as many sub rogues

as demo locks?

if you look at any wcl data, it's the exact opposite

even the stats from subcreation don't reflect that

I'm also having trouble finding this layniar fellow anywhere tbh

no forums, no class discords, the wow discord

there is a single layniar in wcl and it's a level 52 mage that went 6/8 heroic in uldir

[teal bloom]

Mysterious figure

[balmy condor]

you would think someone posting statistics and data publicly, and putting their name on stuff

would have any sort of footprint

[true beacon]

Hey all

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[idle shard]

can u link me that wa too pls :p

[mint anvil]

I dunno if it’s source is credible or not but this is where he’s getting it

[balmy condor]

[idle shard]

btw how do I sim for M+ or any AOE fight?

hectic add cleave?

[compact pumice]

Dungeon Slice for M+. AoE fight might be X number of Patchwerk or HAC might be decent (though it doesn't really resemble any fights in recent times).

[loud trench]

I noticed on CoB people are not tossing garrotes/rupt up when playing PB on the other two bosses during ph1/2, doesnt that help with energy regen or is it because its not needed with vigor talented

[balmy condor]

they should be

we do up to 5 bleeds

usually on council that's 1 boss, plus 1 more boss, for 4 bleeds

[loud trench]

yea when i go to dam done for garrote its jus boss by boss and some of them are 99% parces

[balmy condor]

that's probably because the extra damage is removed

[loud trench]

i filtered it out boss by boss

oh gotcha

that is true

[balmy condor]

council logs are weird like that

[drifting cloud]

the 99 logs are too busy hitting waiters

[balmy condor]

that too

[loud trench]

so is it best to basically do the opener ST and then start tossing out 4 CP ruptures

after the vendetta, shiv vanish ST opener

[balmy condor]

you can sim a 2 target to see the opener

it's just that

[loud trench]

okay thanks

also it seems pretty split between sudden fractures or WPS for necro, im assuming not much difference

[balmy condor]

sudden fractures if you don't need the burst

like you would play WPS on sludge for example

but otherwise it's usually sudden fractures

it sims within margin for single target, and obviously scales with more targets

[loud trench]

yea i have a 213 WPS and 200 SF since i just swapped back to rogue

thanks man!

[gusty mirage]

oh so its from a site that scrapes the API and puts all characters regardless of any meaningful cut offs, what an odd thing to make into a graph

my 6 rogues are all accounted for

[balmy condor]

my rogue isn't

[gusty mirage]

your rogue's 2 strong

[hollow river]

If that graph has any real, reputable data behind it, it has to be the entire given class/spec population. Not just PvE there’s no way.

[gusty mirage]

yeah I think it's literally every armory character if its scraping the API for the info

meaning that level 22 warlock you have? It's on there

[hollow river]

I can see absolutely no point in farming that data. O.o

[final star]

It's just showing every active character in the past 28 days

Pretty useless

[loud birch]

Does cloak not work on P3 mythic sire massacre…?

[quaint lark]

negative

[loud birch]

Wtf…..

Big F

I guess I’ll have to actually dodge them

[quaint lark]

does anyone know when u start to sbs - slice - mut in your opener over mut - slice - mut?

[hazy crater]

when you choose the necrolord covenant

[quaint lark]

i see some logs open with sbs others with mut, my sim is opening with sbs

as necro its always sbs slice mut? seeing a ton of bonesmith logs that are still mut - slice - mut

[hazy crater]

Yeah it is adviced to open with sbs as necro

which is why your sim opens with it as well

[quaint lark]

thx, gonna mess around with it

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

wait

no

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[balmy condor]

that one

[strange python]

hey guys i just started learning / playing assassination rogue and i was wondering for someone that wants to do m+ and raid which legendary/covenant shall i craft ?

[balmy condor]

would need 2 legendaries, right now we're thinking doomblade on cloak, and zoldyck on maybe legs

but 9.1 is throwing some wrenches into it

so we aren't 100% sure yet

[harsh sleet]

This probably would have been helpful for me an hour ago lol. Cant make it past p2 sire 😩

[balmy condor]

there's always next time

[strange python]

thx for your answer , do you know which covenant would be best for someoen that does M+ and raid?

[balmy condor]

necro

[hazy crater]

is all hope lost for doomspike already

[balmy condor]

it probably won't beat zold

[hazy crater]

mhm

[hollow river]

Big sad

[loud birch]

Ty!

Been so used to cloaking every massacre I was like WHAT when I used it on p3 second ravage overlap

Blood price it is

[cobalt pelican]

just figure out who in your raid isn't full immune and isn't an idiot to step to

[sacred flax]

hi guys. does venomous wounds apply to other bleeds like crimson tempest and serrated bone spike?

[balmy condor]

no

garrote and rupture and that's it

[sacred isle]

Not that impactful but also internal bleeding iam pretty sure

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

that too

I forget that shit exists

[sacred isle]

Just something to make you not cry when u are forced to stun in m+ 🙂

[fallow otter]

Imagine thinking it's not impactful

It's so good in pvp

[balmy condor]

imagine ever switching off of iron wire

and deciding to do pvp because you hate yourself that much

[fallow otter]

Prey for lyfe

[balmy condor]

I don't think I've swapped talents in that row for probably over 3 years

[unkempt ginkgo]

how does p3 blood price work

if i have 0 stacks, do i still take damage

0 stacks from p1

and do i get lifted

[fallow otter]

Unrelated

[torn atlas]

Yo, you finished the list! Awesome stuff. Love ya work Whispyr

[balmy condor]

"finished"

but yes

thanks for the patience

[torn atlas]

Haha ahh not finished. Released? Is maybe a better way to put it.

[balmy condor]

:) indeed

[torn atlas]

Putting it in a list like this makes Evasion look pretty useless outside solo or pvp content.

[balmy condor]

That’s cause it is

[torn atlas]

It's generally my "oh shit, tanks dead" button

[balmy condor]

Yeah same

The fact that it’s dodge chance

Is super super outdated tbh

Could make it a physical version of cloak

But apparently dodge good

Which makes it really hard to tell if it works or not

And it adds directionality

And just a bunch of jank nonsense

[torn atlas]

Yeah it makes sense why it doesn't interact with as much as the other two. Would just be nice if it was better.

[sacred isle]

To be fair I’d say all of rogues defensive are outdated

[balmy condor]

Cloak is fine

I think feint is okay too

[torn atlas]

I assume there's not enough uses for Vanish to get a mention in the lists?

[sacred isle]

Both I feel are super inconsistent on what it works on

[balmy condor]

It’s really Just evasion and phial is a bit awkward sometimes since it’s over time

[balmy condor]

Correct

Vanish also usually is used as an offensive

Not a defensive

[sacred isle]

And what other classes have defensive on gcd/resource cost?

[balmy condor]

So even in the very few and far uses for vanish defensively

It’s usually not something to do all the time

[torn atlas]

True. The only defensive use for Vanish that comes to mind is 2nd boss SD. Or redirecting Spite to the rest of your party.

[balmy condor]

I was thinking about making its own sheet for vanish if there’s some more uses in later patches

But as of right now, ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[torn atlas]

I think the SD use is pretty large because if you manage to get targeted twice you can negate the mechanic with both Vanish and Cloak. But that's probably more suited to a dungeon tips write up I guess.

All other uses I can think of are pretty much trolling your group by avoiding targeted adds, but they just redirect to another group member of you vanish so really not useful.

[balmy condor]

I think it might be better to put it into the additional use for that mechanic

[lost wharf]

Should probably put in where you are NOT supposed to vanish. I thought I was smart when vanishing the ghost on 3rd boss in HoT or the fixate of the 3rd boss in NW just for some1 else in my group to get smacked.

Also I once managed to precisely vanish the Exile cast of the last boss in NW, so that he didn't cast it again. Idk how I did it tho and I never managed to replicate it.

[upper elm]

Hi my guild is on Council progress, so i read before that i should maintain garote and rupture on 2 bosses? For better energy regen or whats the reason behind this?

[west cove]

i dont think it's good idea

but if so it's because of energy regen probably

[keen dome]

Energy regen indeed

[unkempt ginkgo]

its good

the energy regen is good when running EP

[final shadow]

Anyone that knows if there are sims available for 9.1? cant seem to find any.

[indigo mulch]

Nothing is really changing for rogues in 9.1 so far though.

[final shadow]

I guess that will do. Thank you

[olive tendon]

[quick question]
Why top assassinations on SLG (Mythic) play with Vigor (not with Deeper Stratagem)? Most of the fight there are many targets to put bleeds so energy regen. shouldn't be a problem.

[sonic spire]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[limber lion]

Well, some do play DS. I did when I first got the rank 1. But yeah, most of the time it's a matter of preference. DS might be the better choice, but because it plays so different, people often play slightly worse with it than with Vigor.

Placebo and feeling good about your talent choices/legendariesi/covenant etc. is a big part in performing well.

[simple holly]

So just switching main from Feral to rogue for 9.1. Aside rom Doomblade, is it worth saving rest of SA for the necrolord leggo? also, is there a standard 'best recommended' set of WAs for assass, like there is for feral?

[limber lion]

Not all of the things in 9.1 have been implemented yet, so we cannot really do sims. Still missing stuff like dom gems, Sylvanas dagger, new soulbind traits and empowered conduits.

[limpid plinth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen dome]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[simple holly]

ty

[limber lion]

I personally recommend getting both Zoldyck and Doomblade at 190 then upgrading one legendary depending on the content you do. DB for raids, Zoldyck for M+.

[simple holly]

thx

[limber lion]

You can infinitely farm SA in 9.1 so it's not a necessity saving up Soul Ash for now.

[mossy crown]

I hate this week in m+

[limber lion]

Same dude, same.

[mossy crown]

is it worth going outlaw for this week?

[simple holly]

i have a tonne of SA saved on other chars i can funnel to my rogue when 9.1 drops

[limber lion]

Keeping bleeds up on a secondary target is worth for the energy regen. Both garrote and rupture.

It's quite a bit of hassle for little gain, so it's not the end of the world if you don't do it.

[upper elm]

okay thx 🙂

[limber lion]

Yep, great stuff.

[upper elm]

should i rupture attendants?

[limber lion]

[upper elm]

every log i saw did it but dont know

seems a waste

[limber lion]

You can snipe them with rupture yes, I would use a small rupture

If you're Necro you can do SBS - Rup

[upper elm]

cause of venomous wounds for rup y?

okay i will try today 🙂

[limber lion]

Well yes, you get energy back when the attendant dies

So you need to make sure to starve yourself right before the attendant dies

[upper elm]

okay so i open with sbs snd sbs on 2 bosses on council, normal garote rupture vendetta shiv on main target, go for garote snd target and at the end of vendetta rupture on second target y? snipe attendants with low budget rupture and sbs

[limber lion]

Outlaw is the better choice most weeks, but sin is probably a better choice this week than most weeks because Outlaw doesn't play MA/KS this week because of Spiteful

[limber lion]

You should sbs all 3 boss targets. But yes otherwise that looks good.

[sacred isle]

How much resets does sin need to get on mfd for it to outvalue ds/vigor?

[hazy crater]

should probably save 1 charge for the first attendant and then the 3rd boss

[limber lion]

Usually the first attendant doesn't even reach the boss with boomkins using convoke on it or fire mages using combust.

[hazy crater]

should still be in range of a spike

free reset

[limber lion]

It depends on how many targets we have as well because our energy regen is a lot higher with more targets. But they are very close without resets, so MFD will pull ahead with very few resets.

There isn't really a number for it.

[upper elm]

Our First attendant will be Close to the Boss i guess But y i Unterstand the reason so i will see how our fight will Progress

[hazy crater]

definitely get the combo points and reset from it then

before depleting charges on bosses

[sacred isle]

So shouldn’t mfd be the go to for slg then?

[limber lion]

It's a lot of effort, especially as a necro

We don't even play mfd in m+

[hazy crater]

^this

[limber lion]

Even though it's technically better

[misty holly]

Why?

[modest jasper]

Damage.

[hazy crater]

combo points really

[limber lion]

Because you get more combo points with every cast of SBS after.

[sacred isle]

Yeah Iam outlaw for slg so just wondering. Cause the sin rogue we got is avg below 5k so just wondering what he could do to improve

[limber lion]

Yeah, well playing mfd is not really the play, I think he'll just play worse having to maintain the resets

[hazy crater]

There's a lot more wrong than 1 talent choice then

[limber lion]

But yeh, there's more stuff wrong than just the talents.

[modest jasper]

On SLG as a dot spec at least for me it helped to really prioritize on Goliath when it's up and on boss when it's not up.

[limber lion]

It also depe ds on the strat that you use.

[modest jasper]

Only dotting up the skirmishers other than that

Obvsly depends on your strat

[limber lion]

Yes, you don't want to really do anything to Skirmishers

[modest jasper]

But that way you can funnel prio damage into big targets and minimize swaps to save brainpower for dodging.

[limber lion]

You SBS-Rup-CT them and that's it

[modest jasper]

Exactly

Maximizing uptime on SLG is really just being predictive in your movement and gameplan

And if you get the 98+ uptime the damage comes by itself

:-)

[sacred isle]

He’s venth so sbs isn’t a thing for him. Generally we don’t have much movement in our tactics.

[limber lion]

Yeah, well even as Venth he should be doing something different then.

[sacred isle]

And since I don’t play sim on aoe I can’t really review him that much

[modest jasper]

Do you happen to have logs you could Share?

[limber lion]

Just keeping gar/rup on both goliath and boss and using CT will net you higher dps.

[modest jasper]

Would make it a lot easier to get a grasp of the situation

Staying consistently below 5k sounds like his gameplan is off and he is focussing hard on skirmishers or something

[sacred isle]

Can link later. On phone atm

[limber lion]

I did around 8.5k with a faster strat (not double goliath though), but currently I do around 7.3-7.6k with a very slow strat.

[modest jasper]

Sure thing! :-)

[limber lion]

But it takes some time to get the fight down as well.

Once you get more familiar with it, it gets easier to do stuff.

[modest jasper]

I only played the fight on Feral but similar concepts apply. Hovering around 7-8k in first intermission and then heavily dropping as is the Feral life.
But below 5 really Sounds a bit like some missplay. But that's fixable!

[sacred isle]

Well I got around 80 pulls I think and their guild (colab due to lack of active players) have around 100 before we even started

[limber lion]

Ah okay fair enough. Definitely should look into doing better dps

Especially if you're playing sin and not Outlaw

Should be justifying playing a worse spec by playing it tip-top

[indigo mulch]

Very fast strat?

=o

[limber lion]

Yes, the strat that they use in the speedrun competition.

Where you don't kill either goliath and you take 2 goliath's into intermission

So you can kill 3 Goliath's at once and get 9/10 orbs.

[indigo mulch]

Wait how does your tank survive that?

He would have to run around with the goliatha

[limber lion]

[sacred isle]

heres a wipe log from a week ago. Told him in the break that ct is prob better so he switched halfway trough.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nWAaYZgTj7f9p2xQ#type=summary&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1

[limber lion]

Okay, well to improve his overall dps, Zoldyck would be the better choice instead of Doomblade. If he's on single-target duty and smacking the boss/goliath, then Doomblade is fine, but it will be a lot less overall damage.

This is one of the worst things you can do.

[sacred isle]

hes overwriting ct instantly? wtf...

[limber lion]

1. We never spam CT
2. His bleeds all ran out because he was spamming fok/ct

He should literally just use CT once to get the bleed up and then continue pumping on the boss/Goliath

There is literally 0 reason to spam like this

And he does it over and over again

Not just the opener

[sacred isle]

kinda explains why his dmg didng increase switching to ct

[limber lion]

Tell him to keep rupture/garrote on the boss and goliath at all times, using one rupture on the last skirmisher and then using CT to ONLY maintain the bleed.

And not spam.

That will already do wonders.

Like these uptimes are not acceptable

[sacred isle]

yeah ill do that. thx

[shrewd night]

[limber lion]

Just because you want to spam CT/Fok

[shrewd night]

the fuck is that

[limber lion]

It's nightmare fuel Shien

[slim jay]

Spin

[sacred isle]

well their guild did want to colab with ours because their gm said that they had bad dmg ~~

[limber lion]

His goliath uptimes are even worse

All 4 of these should be closer to 95%+

But yeah, that goes a long way. Keeping bleeds up and not spamming mindlessly.

[shrewd night]

He isnt there to aoe, he is literally there to focus three mobs when they are up

[limber lion]

Yeah. Usually sin just maintains bleeds on 2-3 targets, CT once every 12s and just pumps into one target all the time.

[sacred isle]

iam guessing you ct even with just one skirm in if its about do drop on goliath/boss aswell, and not refresh untill pandemic to apply to last 2 skirm?

think ill steal him to a private room before next raid if hes invited.

[mossy crown]

cry, phial just does not want to drop for me

[limber lion]

You either hold the CT and cast it when the last skirmisher is in, or you cast it once when the bosses are stacked and then again when all of the skirms are stacked.

Here's an example of my rotation during the skirms.

It's literally the same single target rotation, except you use FoK as a generator instead.

[shrewd night]

Fok -> Sprint

[limber lion]

[sacred isle]

ty cev

[limber lion]

No worries mate.

[sacred isle]

dont look at my wasted cp unless u want to cry 🙂

[maiden cliff]

so with the latest nerf to the nercolord leggo do you think its still worth switching from Ven as a raider?

[limber lion]

Yes, we weren't going to use the Deathspike legendary in the raid anyways.

It was mainly used for m+.

[indigo mulch]

Cev, can you look through my st logs? 😄

Yay!

Thanks man!

[limber lion]

Sure thing. :)

[mild horizon]

Has anyone tested the Night Fae legendary? The one that grants 8 sec vendetta?

[indigo mulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qpzVDYJxhdPf7yNW#fight=14&type=damage-done&source=8

[limber lion]

Yes, it is the worst legendary that has ever existed.

[mild horizon]

Unlucky

[indigo mulch]

I know that i'm doing the opener wrong, i just found out after that raid we're supposed to use SBS from stealth.

[limber lion]

We have pins about initial thoughts on the legendaries

[indigo mulch]

and then dump SBS charges during gem.

[limber lion]

Sure sure, give me a sec.

[tame cypress]

Question new to rogue i watch the general Opener in the Ravenhold guide

but doesnt mention where to press Flagelation

b4 the first rapture or inside vendetta?

[limber lion]

Yes, the guides do mention that

At least WoWhead does.

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[indigo mulch]

I would use flag at the sametime as vendetta

[limber lion]

Here's an example.-

[indigo mulch]

But i might be wrong.

Oh wait yeah

[tame cypress]

nvm yeah i saw it

[indigo mulch]

I'm wrong.

[tame cypress]

Ty

[indigo mulch]

kekw

[limber lion]

Pros:

• You don't overcap energy much at all, so that's great! You might want to look into the pooling rules to manage the energy even better.
• You're using the correct setup for single target, which is a great thing.

Cons:

• You let your bleeds drop quite a few times, especially your garrote. Make sure to always maintain your Rupture/Garrote on the boss. Garrote is a generator, so there should never be any reason that it drops in single target encounter as you don't even need to build combo points for it. When your weak aura highlights inside the pandemic, just press garrote. The same thing applies to Rupture as well, but for whatever reason it dropped less than Garrote, even though it's a more inclusive ability to press.

• You used Mutilate/Garrote at max-1 or max combo points a few times. Never, ever press Mutilate at max-1 or Garrote at max. They're both generators, so you should try to maximize the combo point gain.

• You should press Shiv way more often. You're losing casts by delaying it sometimes. If you follow the normal pooling rules, you should never be in a situation where you're at 0 energy and 0 combo points when Shiv comes off cooldown - and even if you were, you still would press Shiv. If Shiv is off cooldown, you press it.

• Your SBS usage is not the greatest like you said, but you seem to know how to improve that. SBS as your first gcd and dump everything else during Gemstone windows. I would highly recommend a weak aura to track it, I personally use http://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

So in summary:
ALWAYS prioritize keeping your bleed uptime close to 100% and never let your garrote/rupture drop
ALWAYS press Shiv on cooldown.
Try to learn to pool energy better, so it's used more efficiently during cooldown windows.

[indigo mulch]

I think i'm just pressing garrote within pandemic window so it dosent drop even if i waste a CP i think :'c

[limber lion]

But the pandemic window is 6 seconds

You have 6 seconds to do stuff

You don't have to instantly press it when it gets to 6s

[indigo mulch]

Should i pool before every shiv?

[limber lion]

You can use a finisher, mutilate, mutilate, rupture and then garrote

You can just use a finisher, then the garrote

And also, that is not even true

You let your Garrote drop 3 times during the encounter.

[limber lion]

You just follow the normal pooling rules and it automatically pools for Shiv.

[indigo mulch]

So like trying to maintain as high uptime on envenom buff as possible?

[limber lion]

No

[indigo mulch]

I don't get it D:

[limber lion]

So let's say you're at 0 combo points

You Mutilate once

You're not at 3 combo points

You mutilate again

You're now at 6 combo points

You have 40 energy

So instead of pressing Envenom now, you WAIT

[indigo mulch]

to 60+?

[limber lion]

Once your energy is 30 from max (so around 80 for DS) you Envenom

[tame cypress]

Thiink of it like you need afyer the envenom to be able to cast 2 mutilates in the buff

[limber lion]

Then you Mutilate instantly again twice to get to max-1 combo points

Then you wait

If your bleeds enter pandemic, you reapply them

If all of your bleeds are up and not in pandemic, you just wait before pressing Envenom.

[indigo mulch]

So the only exception to this is during shiv/vendetta windows right?

[limber lion]

You want to cast Envenom then 2 Mutilates right away after

without getting starved in between

[limber lion]

Yes, during Shiv/Vendetta windows you just slam everything without pooling.

But outside of Shiv/Vend windows you pool on Envenom

[indigo mulch]

So if all dots are up.

pool to 80 then mutx2 then pool again til 80

[limber lion]

Correct.

[indigo mulch]

Fair enough, pretty simple.

[limber lion]

If you know your next finisher will be an Envenom, then you pool at max-1

[indigo mulch]

Why can't you always just slam though?

And pool for shiv

[limber lion]

Read the FAQ again

It maximizes our buff uptime (Envenom, Elaborate Planning), it moves energy automatically from our downtime to more important windows and there is literally no reason to not do it.

As long as you don't overcap energy, you should do it.

There is no benefit to slamming an Envenom at 35 energy.

[indigo mulch]

Alrighty.

I think i got it.

what about huntsman?

Cause i think i did really well there during that raid

[limber lion]

Just refer to this post when you forget what things to improve on.

[limber lion]

Sorry, I don't have time to look at it now, but you should honestly fix the things we talked about first.

And then show me a Huntsman log next week

With all the new improved things.

Including bleed uptime, shiv usage, pooling and SBS usage.

[indigo mulch]

I mean huntsman is completly different though

[limber lion]

It's not though.

It follows the exact same principles.

Except you maintain garrote/rupture/ct on 2 targets.

[indigo mulch]

I don't think i ever managed to hold 100% uptime on a boss

[indigo mulch]

95%ish is what i normaly aimfor

[limber lion]

As you can see, this is not really great

Not sure why you let your garrote drop so much

It's literally a "free" ability that you can press whenever

It doesn't you to build cp or anything

You just press it

[indigo mulch]

This is from huntsman, i think my CT is droping because of the bosses being spread and i wait to long to reapply them.

[limber lion]

Your garrote dropped 5 times on Huntsman, once on Hecutis and twice on Barghast.

[limber lion]

The picture I linked is from your Huntsman

Just fix your garrote usage.

Not sure why you use it so infrequently

It has a 6s cooldown and it doesn't require any cp to use

[indigo mulch]

Not sure either tbh o:

[limber lion]

It's 100000 times easier to use than Rupture

But somehow your Rupture uptime is better

[indigo mulch]

I thought my garrote usage was somewhat good

[limber lion]

Unfortunately not.

[indigo mulch]

rip

We're prob not killing huntsman again though

[limber lion]

Here you had a window where you didn't have garrote up on ANYTHING

[hazy crater]

there's also the exact same problem with shiv that was mentioned in huntsman kill as well

[limber lion]

Not a single dog or the boss.

Yeah, like I said

It follows the exact same principles.

[hazy crater]

yep

[limber lion]

If your Shiv usage needs work on ST, it needs work in AoE.

If your bleeds are dropping in ST, they're also dropping in AoE.

[warm parcel]

5 shivs over 4 mins is something

[limber lion]

Just, focus on the things we talked about

[warm parcel]

Honestly

[limber lion]

#assassination message

[warm parcel]

pepperidge advice is to go to org

sit on dummy

literally hit it for 2 hours

[indigo mulch]

Damn i didnt realize i was that bad D:

[limber lion]

You're not playing bad whatsoever

But there are quite a few things you need to work on.

But these are all really easy things to fix.

Make a mental note of your garrote/rupture, making sure to never let them drop
Add a loud sound to your Shiv so you never forget to press it again
Get a Gemstone weak aura and sit on a dummy practicing the dumping

And you're gucci

[indigo mulch]

Aye

I got the gemstone weakaura now

[vestal wren]

making mistakes is great, it means you have things to work on to get better results

[limber lion]

And it's a great thing that you brought it up here. Now you know what to work on, so you can practice it today and tomorrow and pump the next raid day.

[indigo mulch]

Aye, i honestly didnt realize that my shiv usage was bad, i felt like i always used it on cd.

😐

[shrewd night]

Do you track it at all?

[indigo mulch]

Through weakauras yeah

Could be brainfarts aswell

[shrewd night]

Could be worth considering making important shit pop out more if you arent paying much notice to it

[limber lion]

It's very common to tunnelvision to something and then miss out on the most obvious things.

But yeah, honestly either make them glow, pop up or have an audio cue or something.

[indigo mulch]

Its prob cause i raidlead.

Sometimes i just miss shit

[tame cypress]

On 4 CP and BlindSide procs you finish then use ambush or you use it to get to 5 ?

[warm parcel]

no reason to waste cp

[indigo mulch]

Just be be clear, I slam shiv on cd no matter how much energy/cp i have at the time?

[warm parcel]

shivs the exception to the rule

[indigo mulch]

Aye.

Do i use it even if i know i have to move away from the boss

Example, sire

p1 sire

[warm parcel]

idno depends

you gona afk for 15 seconds or 2

[indigo mulch]

I can't remember how long you stay in the air though

i think its 3 or 4 seconds?

[keen cairn]

3ish

But keep in mind, if u hold it for each BP. U will loose a cast. In addition, you'll have other situations on that fight. So u end up loosing 2-3 casts eventually

[warm parcel]

I mean questions like these have no correct answer

[keen cairn]

And p1 dmg is whatever, just fire it off CD so it aligns better with vendetta and such

[warm parcel]

its just whatever you feel like

some hold some slam

[plain thistle]

I hold for blood price, possibly loosing 1 cast is better than 3-4 half shivs

[true beacon]

Hey all. Back from classic for 9.1 and rolling a new rogue for fun. Was running outlaw for the last 2 xpacs. How Assassination for M+

Also how is assassination for leveling?^

[indigo mulch]

I like sub for leveling

[sonic schooner]

Sub s definitely the best to levelup, go fast shadowstrike go brrrr

[true beacon]

Sub is best for leveling hmmm. Then swap for Assassination or Outlaw later?

[rustic whale]

Assasination only good if you have necro class ability on some levelling points & World Quests.

[final star]

Even then outlaw best for world content

Just annihilate everything with blade flurry bonespike

[thorny pond]

Didn't realize chain was so good till I got one

[limber lion]

Assassination is doing great in M+. It's not far from Outlaw's damage, it's just lacking a bit of utility.

It's not usually the go-to spec, but it's still a decent choice for m+. Pulls around 8k+ overall on most (high tier) dungeons.

[thorny pond]

Sin in M+ is great since we aren't contingent on CDs to pump. Higher level dungeons we can always pop off

[velvet escarp]

as a rule of thumb, in multi-target situations, how many targets do we apply rupture to first before using shiv? (assuming we use subterfuge to handle the garrotes)

do we just garrote as many as possible, rupture 1, then shiv right away? or is there some breakpoint in terms of target numbers that we try to hit first?

from just playing around on my own, with venemous wounds from 2-3 targets it seems like i can just spam buttons

[limber lion]

You just slam Shiv, regardless of how many ruptures you have up

You press Shiv and continue applying bleeds.

[limber lion]

Even still you'd want to apply bleeds to everything around you.

Rupture is one of our highest damage dealing abilities.

[frigid kestrel]

That amount of times ive seen Cev say "Slam Shiv" in the last two days is impressive

Its true af, but i love seeing it

[velvet escarp]

and with 2 or more targets we prioritise CT over Rupture? even in shiv window yes?

[thorny pond]

Ryfie would tell you to slam CT always

[limber lion]

You never spam CT, they both have their own priorities

[thorny pond]

Cev tells you to slam Shiv, always

[frigid kestrel]

CT everything, even if its 1 target

[limber lion]

You maintain the CT buff, but after that you continue applying Ruptures.

[frigid kestrel]

you dont spam, you just reapply

[limber lion]

Any Shiv slammers in the chat

[velvet escarp]

ah yeah thats what i meant sorry, maintaining the buff

[frigid kestrel]

<----- Shiv Slammer

[thorny pond]

Shiv is #1 prio, I don't know what you mean

[velvet escarp]

okay this makes things so much clearer, thanks! @limber lion

[frigid kestrel]

#Shiv2021

[limber lion]

No worries mate!

[sonic schooner]

All my abilities are tied with a macro that use shiv before. Never on CD

[silent fossil]

[plain thistle]

[royal fjord]

Do you use CT in M+ on single target bosses?

[silent fossil]

outside of shiv yes

[gusty mirage]

The robot overlords also slam shiv always so it’s good advice

[gusty mirage]

The dps difference is like 15. So it’s safe to say it’s a preference thing

[final star]

Slam shiv on sludgefist

Do it

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Define “slammers”

[frigid kestrel]

Great Push is making it hard for me to get into a Pug now. No one wants a poor lil rogue, they want them Triple Range groups

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

I got afenars to glow correctly. But at times it’s not enough for me to slam shiv :<

[limber lion]

You can add audio cue's as well

[gusty mirage]

they thinking they're doing 27s and 28s huh

[hollow river]

Might need a big WA to pop up lmao

Oo

True

[frigid kestrel]

Big Facts, likes its a small ass 20, 19, or 18 let a brother in

[gusty mirage]

"Rogues aren't that good sorry"

it's a 17 chief, it aint that serious

[frigid kestrel]

I shit you not, two weeks ago i got declined to a 12..................... I HAVE A FUCKING 2K IO!!!!

I logged off

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

I get repeatedly declined from 16s

at almost 1900 so I feel you

[frigid kestrel]

Makes no sense

[gusty mirage]

had a guy boot me from an 18 dos the other day when he found out I was assassination

[hollow river]

Lmaoo

Sad

[gusty mirage]

it was more funny than sad

[frigid kestrel]

Ive had the happen on a number of occasions

I get to the Key and get checked by someone in group

[hollow river]

The only time I question someone’s spec is if they’re wearing the wrong spec legendary

[gusty mirage]

I think I'd manage just fine in an 18 dos

[frigid kestrel]

insta kick, i whisper what happened, and they either respond by saying im a troll or that i need to be OL

[hollow river]

Because they’re kinda trolling. But on lower keys I don’t see the big deal people are so afraid they’re key will deplete it’s kinda getting stale to play

[gusty mirage]

now I'm just a sad boy leveling one of my ally rogues to 60

[limber lion]

You still play the game?

:o

[frigid kestrel]

I leveled a Horde rogue to 60 a few weeks back

[gusty mirage]

yeah I logged in yesterday to do my weekly stuff and then got bored and started leveling my void elf and night elf rogues

[limber lion]

man's gone insane

[gusty mirage]

I'm the definition of a one trick pony

[limber lion]

one rogue for each covenant

one rogue for each faction

[gusty mirage]

that was my thought process

[limber lion]

one rogue for each race

[gusty mirage]

make my nelf rogue fae

[limber lion]

Damn

[frigid kestrel]

Same i know Sin Rogue and Sub Rogue, So i know all the Rogue specs

[hollow river]

.>

[gusty mirage]

velf is sub, nelf is outlaw, belf is assa

[hollow river]

Is wowprogress any good for finding m+ teams

[gusty mirage]

from my experience, not so much

[hollow river]

I see a lot of people post

[limber lion]

Not really.

[hollow river]

Sadface

[limber lion]

I mean, you can find a team there maybe

[gusty mirage]

check out the mythic+ friends discord @hollow river

[limber lion]

But don't keep your hopes up.

[gusty mirage]

it's usually a good way to pug without wanting to throw your computer in the middle of the road

one of the jailer's units is called Soggodon

Soggodon deez nutz jokes incoming

[hollow river]

The only “team” I’ve ever really played with already had a rogue main, but he was an altoholic so I could get in a decent amount of keys sometimes

[frigid kestrel]

Wish i could find a decent team.... other then the guilds team im apart of

[hollow river]

But wasn’t really a viable option tbh

[gusty mirage]

the group I found rotates me and whispyr in when they need a rogue

found 'em from @warped temple 's stream 🙂 good peeps

[hollow river]

My current guild is pretty inactive tbh I haven’t done a single key with them

We’re 5/10M but I think I’m going to be looking soon

[frigid kestrel]

I do keys with my team every Saturday, and it feels like a waste of time because they are struggling to complete 18/19 when im trying to do 20/21. But i have an addictive personality so i lack the will to drop em

Love em to death tho

[hollow river]

Lol

Lower keys with friends are better than high keys with assholes

But I get you

[fervent rune]

What are some good trinkets to use. Currently have phial and skulkers

[frigid kestrel]

Those work

Perfectly fine

[gusty mirage]

Assuming max ilvl, both are fine

[fervent rune]

Yeah both 226

[frigid kestrel]

Ye your smooth sailing

[gusty mirage]

IQD if you have crit as your highest stat will be an upgrade over skulkers, but you're gucci

[frigid kestrel]

Phial and IQD/Sulkers/Dreadfire are about as good as you can get

[fervent rune]

Close but haste is highest

[gusty mirage]

yeah then besides a 233 dreadfire