assassination

[spice spire]

[soft shale]

just didnt die

[frail fossil]

not trolling p3

[limber lion]

I'm proud of the boy.

[soft shale]

but that did happen i remember sludge and sire being oof

[spice spire]

Built different and no lifing are different

[limber lion]

Do you play Sub on farm Hacha?

[spice spire]

But in all seriousness, very proud papi

[frail fossil]

i log on wow once a week bro

[soft shale]

sometimes im lazy and play assa anyway

[limber lion]

Which one do you mainly play on farm?

[soft shale]

it does more damage and i dont have to swear at the sky if i get mechanic fucked

[spice spire]

Damn how?

[frail fossil]

for reclear

and i log out

[soft shale]

like i was doing 8.2k on inerve then got triangle fucked twice

and ended like at 6.6k

[spice spire]

Nah I meant how did you think anyone asked

[soft shale]

also rip pot cheese

[frail fossil]

u literally did

[soft shale]

it was better as sub because of deeper daggers

[spice spire]

I don’t ask, I profess

[soft shale]

i had some pulls where it was like 8% or 10% or my damage

[spice spire]

This is a horrendous troll

[limber lion]

When was the last time you actually played sub in the raid?

[soft shale]

i played it on sun king the other week i think

got fake rank 1

because push had rank 1 already but log was messed up

[limber lion]

Rip

[soft shale]

i was pumped to play it this week but we didnt raid because of tbc

btw mastery set is good for sludge

assa still does more tho

[limber lion]

What about Assa with mastery set?

[spice spire]

@stoic needle

[dark crag]

Wcl said i have r1 sun king

[soft shale]

uh

[limber lion]

My mom said that I had r1 Artificer.

[soft shale]

maybe there is a world where crit mastery dashing does like 200 dps less than doomblade

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-theoffice-dont-gif-7904750

[soft shale]

but really do you want to see how much assa mastery set sims for?

i bet 300 dps less

[limber lion]

Doomblade is pretty busted because the bleed double dips.

I mean, it's not the reason why it's good

But it's further ahead because of it.

[soft shale]

my dashing set would have 51% crit

so that is 66% crit on poisons

but still oof

does deadly poison get extra ticks on haste?

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Yes.

Poisons and bleeds are both affected by haste.

[soft shale]

lets laugh together let me log on a sec and see how much mastery sucks as assa

hahaha

i do miss the wrists from plaguefall but cba

[limber lion]

They scale dynamically though, so there are no breakpoints for haste.

[worthy moth]

when sludgefist break ur chains

[soft shale]

tbh if exsang was a super % scaler on poisons instead of bleeds

it could be better than ala

[gusty kestrel]

no

[tribal marlin]

10% haste is a big deal

should be baseline

[worthy moth]

for assassination rogues single target i dont think so

[limber lion]

What is this in reference to?

To the haste or exsang.

[gusty kestrel]

51 excluding dashing %

are u high

[tribal marlin]

El famoso attack of 51%

[soft shale]

ye new items on 9.1 are crazy crit

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

@limber lion how about 1k worse https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tRpqCjJ5J6ygBU4yr7utUp

[gusty kestrel]

did u just use 252 mythic items or what

[soft shale]

there was a trinket that gave crit i think

but why would you ever try to go that high dr is too much it would be trolling

chances are doomblade would still be king with good ilvl gear

[gusty kestrel]

why would it not be in the first place

[soft shale]

there was this debacle with dom sockets but now we safe

[tribal marlin]

yeah they added the cloak

they added some for Akaaris as well, even if I guess sub use venthyr's leggo

[soft shale]

well necro will still use aakari as sub i guess

[tribal marlin]

I just want NF to be meta again

can't wait

[soft shale]

nf has really good binds

but the leggo kind of killed it

[tribal marlin]

Every day I send a message to Blizzard, begging theim to buff NF

[soft shale]

niya is really fine it procs quite a bit

if necro was not that busted for sin i could see some people playing it at least for m+ korayn/niya seem fine

[tribal marlin]

Nadjia is very strong soulbind as well and Necro will benefit from an additionnal dps trait :/

[soft shale]

yea heirmir is anothe plane right now

also fractures etc

[tribal marlin]

I'll probably stay venthyr anyway

[soft shale]

same because obedience tornado burst

and NS being decent again and on assa you dont lose that much dps because you do doomblade anyway

i would like draven to not be so ass for once

but tank soulbind is tanky i guess

[tribal marlin]

yeah it's a good tank trait

soulbinbd*

suck for us, but at least do they got a dedicated sb

[soft shale]

yea but then you have marileth

does everything draven does and gives you damage too now

😦

[tribal marlin]

poor draven

[soft shale]

it is a really good bind for blood dk especially

but for rogue it is ugh

[tribal marlin]

doesn't bdk play kyrian ?

[final sky]

for gear do i just want to go full crit>mast gear?

[soft shale]

for st never

[final sky]

for m+

[soft shale]

best thing you can do is sim it i believe most people that do high m+ as assa still have some kind of haste/vers

although nowadays secondaries dont make a huge diff

[final sky]

cause right now i have

[soft shale]

you do notice taking more damage if you dont have vers so if that is your thing

[final sky]

24% crit, 6% haste but i have a decent amount more when alacrity is at 5, 27% mastery and 13% vers

and i quite like my stats how they are, but im only 189 so they are definitely gonna need to change

[soft shale]

just get ilvl at that

dont worry about stats right now

[final sky]

what im doing is im only equipping gear if its bis

or a huge ilvl upgrade

[slow marsh]

You're 189 ilvl.... AGI is your best stat. AGI is best stat even at higher ilvl

[trim turret]

💀

[thorny pond]

226 vers mastery is upgrade for you

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire wanna help me test some defensives in dungeons this weekend?

[amber mountain]

WAIT! Agi is our best stat? What am I doing with all this STR gear?!?!?!?! ;P

[limber lion]

Just focus on getting high ilvl pieces. You don't need to look at the stats at all

[final sky]

oh rly ok

[gusty mirage]

real gamers have +15 str enchanted to gloves

[limber lion]

Once you get to 226 equipped, then you can start looking at stats.

Yes.

[final sky]

cause rn i can go to like 4k dps

[limber lion]

The only thing that matters is item level

The higher item level = the more agility/stats you get

[gusty mirage]

the extra agi almost always ends up trumping the minimal dif in secondaries

[amber mountain]

I think I have int on my gloves 😛

[limber lion]

That's wrists.

[amber mountain]

right you are Cev

[limber lion]

:')

[spice spire]

You got it papi whatever and whenever you need

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[steel geyser]

ngl at the start of SL I just had been playing a whole year on Classic, I enchanted +15str just in case it gave me AP

[spice spire]

Is it the missing stuff from the defensive journal? 👀 big if true

[limber lion]

I still have int/str enchanted on my gear

[gusty mirage]

it does work for holy pally btw

[limber lion]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[limber lion]

^ It's already available.

[gusty mirage]

the +15 str to gloves makes you hit harder

[spice spire]

Sanguine, top, and a few other things are not ready, unless already finished

[amber mountain]

it makes pickpocketing a little dicey though...

[limber lion]

Ah yeah, they are still missing stuff that's true

[spice spire]

Oh it was necrotic

[amber mountain]

I keep ending up with other people's pockets...

[gusty mirage]

top is mostly done, at the very least it covers all the painful parts

[spice spire]

Vanish worked on Kulthrak in 9.0, now it just automatically draws your soul instead of waiting

As an aside

[frigid kestrel]

Ok Green Rogues are fucking insane, i need to step my game up. I cant out dps them no matter what i do.

[amber mountain]

Green Rogues?

Necro?

[frigid kestrel]

WW Monks

[limber lion]

What are green rogues?

oh

[amber mountain]

Ah

[frigid kestrel]

Dude every Key i see one in they just wreck

[gusty mirage]

yeah ww does fat damage

[amber mountain]

Yep

except on single target

[fallen arch]

Time to reroll then

[amber mountain]

where they just... don't

[fallen arch]

Until you hit high key tyrannical Hakkar

Bye Monk

[limber lion]

Sin beats all.

[frigid kestrel]

Imagine me doing any key on a tyran week

[spice spire]

High key tyrannical Hakkar

[fallen arch]

You’ll have to in a while

[frigid kestrel]

I try to get at least 1 19 or 20 and then just stop

[amber mountain]

I have a WW alt and a Shammy alt and my WW does great on trash packs, but sucks on boss mobs

[spice spire]

Fire mage

[limber lion]

I didn't even do a weekly last week

[amber mountain]

once every 2 minutes

[spice spire]

Sin surprisingly fares very well in keys, it’s surprising tbh

[amber mountain]

Yep, it's my favourite way to do them

[spice spire]

But spiteful is very

[limber lion]

Yeh, Sin is fine.

I hate Spiteful

[frigid kestrel]

Ye, every week except this week

[spice spire]

Did a plaguefall yesterday and full pulled the slimes

Don’t think I’ve ever hated life more tbh

[amber mountain]

My hate for spiteful seems to be very dependant on the tank and whether or not the rest of the group is clued in on how we're moving

[limber lion]

My hate comes from getting oneshot by one that spawns right next to me

a single 40k melee hit

[amber mountain]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Or the GOAT. Does 38k but the grievous stack kills

[frigid kestrel]

When shit dies i pop Evasion
When shit dies and Evasion is on CD, I just let god do his work

[amber mountain]

lol

[spice spire]

That ones going into the vault

[limber lion]

I just run like a little bitch, or die.

[amber mountain]

Vanish isn't bad if it's available, just dump all of them on to the casters

[amber mountain]

I typically run like a bitch AND die

[spice spire]

I usually run like a bitch

[frigid kestrel]

idc what anyone says Iron Wire is super legit

[spice spire]

I do love pulling 1k less overall because I’m running half the time@:)

[frigid kestrel]

But we have range now, SBS FTW

[amber mountain]

I run Iron Wire, is there a strong reason not to?

[frigid kestrel]

None at all

[limber lion]

No.

[amber mountain]

Oh good

Thought i'd missed the memo

[limber lion]

I've had Iron Wire selected since BFA

And haven't changed it once.

[frigid kestrel]

facts

[limber lion]

If you're a PVP'er then Prey on the Weak can be fine

But eh

[shy dust]

Preyis shit for pvp

IB is dumb good

Since it gives energy

[soft shale]

funny how no one said just to shadowstep a ranged

guess that is the luxury of having 2 uses

[limber lion]

Oh yeh, that's true.

[hybrid cosmos]

Hi, with 4 CP and 1 sec left on shiv debuff, do i envenom or build further?

[limber lion]

With DS you just get to max-1

So you would build further.

[hybrid cosmos]

so let shiv drop basically

[soft shale]

shiv empowers deadly and instant poison more than envenom in the overall value of the spell

also for some reason zoldyck does not buff envenom send angery mails to blizz

[limber lion]

Yes. The same generator/finisher rules stay regardless.

[hybrid cosmos]

does that mean further that you never delay the shivs after the first one for max cp?

[limber lion]

Even if you have Vend/Shiv up, you would still build to max-1

[limber lion]

Yes, you always * press Shiv on cooldown.

You don't stall it.

[hybrid cosmos]

okay, thx alot

[limber lion]

There's some edge cases, like if the fight forces Shiv downtime or different kind of usage (like on Sludge pillars)

[frosty bridge]

Is there a weakaura to track heirmir gemstone procs?

[plain thistle]

yes, on wago.io

[frosty bridge]

And how do you ideally play around the proc?

[royal lantern]

sludge is litearlly the only example

[frigid kestrel]

https://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

[royal lantern]

you delay shiv in 2 situations

1:sludge like stuff

2: when you get a forced downtime in the next 3sec/phase transition

thats it

[frosty bridge]

Sorry, more interested in how to ideally play around gemstones

I know you can’t cancelaura it anymore

If you do anything different at all when it procs or beforehand etc

[limber lion]

You don't really

You only dump SBS during Gemstones

but you don't really play around it.

It just kinda happens

[soft shale]

you FEEL those extra deadly poison crits

into your veins

[frosty bridge]

Gotcha, so it’s SBS only

[nimble tartan]

what does gemstones do bro

[soft shale]

18% crit for 10 secs every 60 secs

[nimble tartan]

dam nice

[frigid kestrel]

Lines up almost perfectly with every other Shiv cast <--- Lies Detected

[sacred isle]

How can it tho. When shiv isn’t 30 sec cd and gemstones is more like 63 second cd?

[frigid kestrel]

It doesnt, im just dumb it about 10 seconds off, forget i wrote that

[tribal marlin]

I do it multiple time a day since Beta

Starting to believe it is intended

[soft shale]

i did send bug reports every day when dust didnt work on some taletns

then it worked

when they deleted sepsis

ahahaha

maybe they got angry

[tribal marlin]

Zoldyck working on Env would probably straight put it in line with doomblade overall

And obviously in that case a much much better choice for most relevant fights

[soft shale]

well also 9.1 introduces sbs crits

so that is some free dps not a lot

but hey

[tribal marlin]

Wasn't it already critting with the conduit ?

[spice spire]

Bleeds can crit

Wait, actually?

[tribal marlin]

Yes but SBS is not a common bleed

was*

If they added crit to SBS without conduit I say RIOT

because yet, Sepsis still doesn't scale on mastery >.<

[soft shale]

sepsis does scale with assa mastery

or wait

[tribal marlin]

it doesn't

[soft shale]

only shiv i guess

[tribal marlin]

I'm checking every PTR build since 9.0.5, it doesn't

[soft shale]

ahhh rip

[tribal marlin]

yes it scale with shiv

but not with neither Zoldyck nor assa mastery

[soft shale]

wao that is sad

well same reason as sbs not working with shadowblades

[sonic schooner]

i miss being a fae

😔

[soft shale]

the sadness of bug with rogue is interesting

[grim topaz]

I'm still a bit confused as to why we're stacking crit now?

[soft shale]

we are fucking infested by bugs

[tribal marlin]

But Sepsis can crit and SBS couldn't back then so it was legit to have SBS scale on mastery since it was not scaling on crit you know

[soft shale]

we dont stack anything

[grim topaz]

I get the extra CP buildup, but haste mastery was insane back in the days?

[soft shale]

crit scales a bit better but only for venth and nothing great

haste mastery was only good in the ago poison days

[tribal marlin]

crit's good with Deeper strat yeah

[soft shale]

you took a time travel pill

[loud light]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzards-9-1-ptr-patch-notes-for-june-2nd-torghast-scoring-tweaks-new-seasonal-322666

"Serrated Bone Spike (Necrolord) bleed now properly benefits from critical strike chance."

[tribal marlin]

pff

k imma call a riot for sepsis to work with mastery then

[sonic schooner]

but sepsis aint a bleed

🤔

[tribal marlin]

it's a poison

[soft shale]

assa mastery is poison/bleed

[honest breach]

does the necro bleed works with doomblade ?

[grim topaz]

yup

[soft shale]

yes

[sonic schooner]

ooooh was thinking it was just a random dot

[limber lion]

It probably should, honestly.

[sonic schooner]

agreed

[grim topaz]

but I feel like crit is good when you can sit on the target patchwerk style, and haste mastery is good for when you can't sit and patchwerk the boss

like sire, you have alot of bleeds and poison running etc.

[tribal marlin]

Is that change enough to bring necro on parse with Venth in ST ?

(currently ~1.5% behind iirc)

[nimble tartan]

just stop thinking about stats imo

i dont even know what my stats do now i just put on gear and go baby ty raidbots

[soft shale]

we need to see how dom sockets go around

[grim topaz]

yup

[shy dust]

On par no

Closer yes

[dawn ivy]

@tribal marlin I remember someone said the necro APL was about 80 dps behind venthyr and this change gives necro about 50 dps

[indigo mulch]

Wait what o0

SBS don't benefit from crit? D:

[dawn ivy]

it will in 9.1

[indigo mulch]

Yeah but as of right now. 9.0.5

[dawn ivy]

it does not

[indigo mulch]

:X

[vast forum]

Quite the opposite, haste loses value if you have downtime overcapping energy

[indigo mulch]

its okay, it only took them 7 months to discover that.

I assume its been in since launch.

[dawn ivy]

no that was intentional i think

[indigo mulch]

wat

[dawn ivy]

that way they could make a lazy conduit that allowed it to "crit"

[tough beacon]

hey im new to assa. is there an haste softcap which i have to get?

[drifting cloud]

no

[tough beacon]

ty! im now at 23% haste 21%crit 16%versa and 28 mastery.. unbuffed

i try to get less versa and get more crit haste right?

[drifting cloud]

you should sim, ilvl will win in like 95% of cases

[tough beacon]

ok ty!

[limber lion]

That's honestly quite a bit of haste already. Definitely sim yourself.

[plain thistle]

what about my haste @limber lion ? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/azralon/Jhonwei should I get more mastery?

[limber lion]

[plain thistle]

[bitter shuttle]

is the theotar potion switch soulbind fixed?

[limber lion]

Yes, it is.

[bitter shuttle]

that explains the details summary 🙂

[limber lion]

:)

[strange python]

Better to hold shiv until garrote/rupture won't need to be reapplied?

Or rather, early reapply either that would fall off during shiv?

[limber lion]

Neither, you just slam Shiv on cooldown.

If you have to reapply during the window, then so be it.

[strange python]

K thx

[limber lion]

Usually you can slightly play around it by thinking 10s in advance

But there's not much you can do honestly.

[strange python]

Finally going back to rogue with 9.0 over and it's been awhile

[limber lion]

Good stuff.

[strange python]

Yeah if you aren't force reapplying either then you'll inevitably hit windows where they're needed during shiv

[limber lion]

Yeah definitely.

But because of Pandemic, there are still some ways to play around it.

Like you don't actually have to reapply bleeds the second they get into pandemic, you can just wait.

[safe barn]

you guys that have more experience with wow patches than i

in later patches, this downtime/energy drought is lower?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[alpine latch]

This is rare for the first patch, normally the patches are a bit quicker.

The final patch usually lasts 8-14 months though

[limber lion]

That's not what he asked lol.

But yes, you starve energy less when we move on to next patches.

[alpine latch]

Oh shit, lol

[limber lion]

This is normal where you have less apm and your melee passive damage does more.

[alpine latch]

I'm dumb

[limber lion]

:p

[safe barn]

14 months was WoD right?

i remember that

im curious cuz you guys play at high level a long time now

[alpine latch]

ICC was for fucking ever, SoO was for fucking ever, WoD was for fucking ever

[safe barn]

i play wow since pandaria but the first time i raided was in legion, stopped playing in legion and im doing mythic raid for the first time in shadowlands

so, i never knew anything about the game, i was just there lol

[alpine latch]

Sadly, I probably topped out in TBC when I joined Death and Taxes.

[safe barn]

ofc now i regret not raiding in pandaria and wod, that seems amazing

i remember wasting all my days in wow on timeless isle

and in wod well, inside my garrison

[alpine latch]

Did you have fun?

[safe barn]

kinda, it was my first time playing, all my friends were discovering wow too

it was fun

leveling my first char to 90

[alpine latch]

Then you didn't waste any time at all.

[safe barn]

im the only one left playing but still

good old times

what if FoK worked like SS and CT was baseline?

[tulip nacelle]

sin would get nerf hammered

[limber lion]

That would make sense and make the spec even smoother

but

it's not happening

[rustic whale]

is it me only or SBS cast from Stealth is not applying poisons by %100 chance?

[limber lion]

Poisons?

[rustic whale]

yeah assasination spec only %100 poison apply chance if you are stealth

[limber lion]

Well, it doesn't actually work like that on SBS.

You do not apply poisons with SBS.

[rustic whale]

so any help on necrolord rogue opener for single target ?

playing as MA talent

[soft shale]

sbs snd mut

[rustic whale]

are we using x2 SBS after vanish?

i mean vanish envenom then sbs sbs

[south nest]

does anyone have a moment to analyze my Inerva log?

[limber lion]

No

You use the spare SBS during Gemstones, outside of Vanish windows.

[south nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6P47tDbC3wKHgRvW#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=50

[rustic whale]

aight thanks for help

[limber lion]

I'll take a peak.

@south nest

1. Do NOT use Mutilate at 4 combo points. You should always finish at 4-5 combo points when playing with Vigor. You wasted 8 combo points with Mutilate by trying to build to max combo points. Don't do that. You should also avoid using garrote when you're at max combo points. Garrote pandemic is around 6+ seconds, so you have plenty of time to reapply it after a finisher.

2. You opener is a bit flawed. You should try to look into fixing that. For example, you should be using Sepsis with Shiv every time and inside of the Vendetta window. Also make sure to vanish when your Sepsis has 3s or less left to get the bonk inside the MA window.

3. You should use your cooldowns quicker and not hold them as much. You missed out on a Shiv cast by delaying it 1-3s every time.

4. You should try to dot up both adds when they spawn and making sure you also apply poison. If the target is not poisoned, you will not get energy regen from Venomous Wounds.

5. I would honestly suggest looking into switching to Necrolord or Venthyr, if you're looking to perform to the best of your ability. If you don't care about it too much or have other reasons, don't bother.

[south nest]

thank you, I will switch with 9.1 would like to get a few mounts from nf. and the opener I have taken over from raidbots should I do a different opener?

[limber lion]

It's not quite the same as in raidbots.

You did Muti - SnD - Sepsis - Muti - Gar

But the raidbots recommendation is Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Sepsis

[south nest]

yep thats wrong mb

thx

[limber lion]

[flat kiln]

I have a few questions about using Shiv optimally, would appreciate any advice

Do you ever hold shiv to:
-Pool Energy first
-Generate Combo Points first
-If the next finisher is rupture

Also should you cast shiv at max combo points?

[limber lion]

1. You always cast Shiv on cooldown and you don't do any of those things you listed.

And yes, you do cast Shiv even at max combo points.

You follow the normal pooling rules when using Shiv

Which means that you will automatically pool energy and build combo points for Shiv

You don't have to specifically do it just for Shiv

because it happens automatically by just pooling to max-30 before Envenom's.

[flat kiln]

That makes sense, thanks. Yeah i'm pooling for envenom. Maybe I'm asking the wrong question since it assumes i've already planned badly, but it feels weird to cast shiv with 20 energy 0 combo points since the next envenom is many globals away

[floral vale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

Yeah but that doesn't happen

if you pool on Envenom like you said

That automatically assures that you will have energy to use for Shiv windows.

[flat kiln]

Yeah i'll just have to be more careful about pooling before it comes up

[limber lion]

You honestly don't have to think about pooling any differently when Shiv is about to come up

You just follow the normal rules. :p

And you slam the Shiv when it's ready

[flat kiln]

Well it's definitely possible that i've messed up the normal rules mid fight lol, but if my last 3 globals were mutilate>garrote>rupture it does at least seem possible to use shiv a bit starved

[limber lion]

Definitely, but you rarely run into a situation where you do muti - gar - rup - shiv in a row

Because you need to think 10s ahead and plan for it.

But yeah, it comes with practice!

I'm sure you'll pick it up quick and find ways to do stuff differently.

But don't worry about it too much, as long as you press Shiv on CD, you're gucci.

[flat kiln]

For sure. Sounds good - thanks for the help

[limber lion]

No worries mate, good luck!

[wild lion]

anyone else getting dced every shadowstep-.-?

[nimble tartan]

do u have TN on?

[limber lion]

No.

[raven vapor]

does stealth detection only work infront of a mob?

[limber lion]

No, it's around the mob, but the detection range is a lot smaller from behind.

[raven vapor]

ah right, theater group asking me to distract the first big mob during shroud

i thought detection was the same range 360

[limber lion]

Yeah, you can sneak past him, but you cannot stand behind him for a long while.

[raven vapor]

good to know thanks

[limber lion]

My pleasure buddy

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion if I work really hard and practice every day will I be half as good as you one day?

[limber lion]

Not only will you be as good as me, you'll go far beyond what I'm capable of.

Just like in the classical world, practice makes perfect.

a lot of practice.

And good quality practice.

Some day the day will come when I quit the game and the stage will be yours.

[vital tapir]

dw, you're already a better sin rogue than I am

[gusty mirage]

nope you're the best

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

There will be a day that you and I will close World of Warcraft for the last time.

But until then, let's keep pumping.

[gusty mirage]

mine may be sooner than yours

[vital tapir]

uhhhhhh....sure...?

[limber lion]

Who knows, might be or might not. Anything can happen.

[gusty mirage]

I cancelled my auto-renew on my wow account already

[limber lion]

Me too. Just buying gametime manually.

[gusty mirage]

but I did 6 months

so I'm stuck until december

[limber lion]

Good.

[vital tapir]

only 3 months left for me

[plain thistle]

using and abusing my free 3 months of nitro

[kind turtle]

What drops the Well-Placed Steel conduit?

[gusty mirage]

de other side

[thorny pond]

That's a lie.

It's the right location but no

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

I've never seen it. Venari stole my money for one

[balmy condor]

de other side of these nuts

[final sky]

what food am i gonna want

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

I wonder

if I have them in there

hold on

yeah

food is in there

just use that

[thorny pond]

Whispyr with the jokes

[balmy condor]

I never miss

[undone scroll]

What are you a hunter

[balmy condor]

I do have a green name

[thorny pond]

Hunters miss all the time

Played a ranged class that's meta for half a patch. Could've been a mage and always meta

[undone scroll]

Untrue I never seen arrows in walls

[gusty mirage]

cause they always hit the haters in the bhole

[balmy condor]

the hayturs?

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr 2: The HapPUNning

[undone scroll]

Not sure why everyone thinks that is what my name means. Think ppl just can’t spell.

It’s a Latin word you uncultured hunter.

[balmy condor]

I apologize to all the people who speak latin

[thorny pond]

A hayturd is horse poop

[undone scroll]

Damn right you do

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rimshot-pun-joke-ba-dum-tss-drum-gif-15808941

[undone scroll]

I poop on the beach all the time he never minds it

[gusty mirage]

[undone scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-family-guy-peter-chocolate-gif-4971891

[thorny pond]

Yo dog don't kink shame like that

[undone scroll]

Ya oxi

Join us you can be the oxi to beach’s cotton

[final sky]

thanks whispyr 😄

[balmy condor]

np

[thorny pond]

Whats everyone's best parse this week?

[balmy condor]

raiding in june

[drifting cloud]

[thorny pond]

Someone's gotta stay subbed

[balmy condor]

oh I'm still subbed

I do random keys every now and then

but this patch over

9.1 waiting room

[thorny pond]

Don't be like that mang. I still enjoy

[balmy condor]

the age of enjoyment is over

[sonic schooner]

enjoyement in video games in 2021

[copper sundial]

was theotar potion cheese fixed?

doesn't seem to work

[thorny pond]

It was

[copper sundial]

thanks

[balmy condor]

thank god

blizzard listened to the prayers

[strange python]

kelthuzad prog waiting room

[timid nest]

pre max level

should i feel like

massively energy starved?

[balmy condor]

yeah

even max level it's not great

[timid nest]

okay lmao

i was trying out assassin in a HoA and was like "damn... wheres all my energy??"

especially since i was playing almost purely outlaw before

[balmy condor]

sin is just a slow spec

[wispy marsh]

What does our opener look like on Huntsman?

[balmy condor]

it be like that

[balmy condor]

2 garrotes, rupture on one, vend, rupture on the other, then ct

[timid nest]

honestly didnt mind the slowness, but i was just making sure i wasnt doing something wrong lol

it was kinda nice compared to outlaw where it's hit all the buttons at once

[balmy condor]

yep yep

[timid nest]

i didnt feel like i was gonna lose out on anything if i took an extra second to hit a button

[undone scroll]

9.1 waiting room and then bench lol

Wtb raid cd

[thorny pond]

Mind numbing

[undone scroll]

There are these things called warlocks

[thorny pond]

stackable

[shrewd helm]

What are the stat priority? just came back and about to craft doomblade

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[balmy condor]

you can do haste vers or haste crit

both pretty fine

one piece of gear won't make a difference

[shrewd helm]

thanks, I didnt see it in the pins

[sonic schooner]

mastery > mastery > mastery > haste

[wispy marsh]

What's our opener with CT look like?

[balmy condor]

how many targets

[wispy marsh]

Looks like it's used on Denath

Let's go with Denath currently

[grave nova]

Its the normal st opener im sure and when ads come you fok cp then fok envenom

[balmy condor]

yeah

you would just CT after shiv

which is when adds usually come up anyway

[wispy marsh]

And we want to maintain the CT dot after, right?

[balmy condor]

anytime you aren't in shiv

[thorny pond]

subcreation.net not working for anyone else?

[balmy condor]

works fine for me

https://mplus.subcreation.net/

[thorny pond]

That's what I am seeing

[balmy condor]

ah yeah that's bugged

[thorny pond]

Oh well. Guess sub is just a fever dream for me

[mighty hazel]

im using marileth tree is bonesmith make alot differences ?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

marileth is pretty bad outside of pvp

[mighty hazel]

for pve

[gusty mirage]

its bad for pve

[balmy condor]

marileth is garbage

[median aurora]

dont hurt his feelings like that marileth is doing the best he can

[balmy condor]

his best is awful

[median aurora]

[balmy condor]

tell him to find a new hobby

[median aurora]

he has kevin to look after ok

[thorny pond]

Fookin' Kevin.

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-catherine-o-hara-kate-mc-callister-pass-out-faint-gif-12025236

[indigo mulch]

How do i use SBS properly btw? Do i just use it as a combo generator on ST?

[frail fossil]

u use it during gemstone buffs

your first gcd on ST is sbs

and uh u keep it from overcapping

[indigo mulch]

o.O

Wait your first gcd on ST is sbs? Not mutilate from stealth?

[frail fossil]

but that should not really happen if u dump. them during ur gemstone buff

[frail fossil]

nop, u replace it with sbs

[indigo mulch]

o_O

Mutilate gives you more cp though o:

Then again

[frail fossil]

it doesn't matter

[indigo mulch]

It dosent really matter

Yeah

[frail fossil]

cuz ur pressing snd

even if u have 1 cp after it

u still press snd

and u'll be fine

[indigo mulch]

Yeah

[frail fossil]

and since u play with sudden fractures, u want the dot as soon as possible

[indigo mulch]

So you only replace 1 mutilate (in the opener) with 1 sbs.

Then dump all the charges during gem window+

?

[frail fossil]

yes

gemstone usually syncs with vend so that's cool too

[left flare]

Im realy getting old gemstone?

[limber lion]

Marrowed Gemstone is one of Heirmir's traits.

[strange python]

[misty holly]

I should set up a WA to track when Gemstones is up

[sacred isle]

#assassination message

[twilit hollow]

Why would one possible extra tick of sudden fractures matter when the damage is in the 100s

Honest question

[balmy condor]

compared to what

[twilit hollow]

Over mutilate 1st has

Gcd*

[twilit hollow]

This

[balmy condor]

well one extra tick is better than no extra tick

[twilit hollow]

It out values a mut crit ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[twilit hollow]

Huh

[balmy condor]

sbs does a lot of damage

[rain mortar]

Rogue Fam is it time give up on the hopes and dreams of getting a raid utility for 9.1?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[balmy condor]

we all knew it wasn't coming this patch

[twilit hollow]

I mean it makes sense I just don't see why sudden fractures is much value for 4 gcds

[rain mortar]

Speak for yourself - I’m a hopeful bastard. I’ll believe anything positive until it’s too late.

[limber lion]

It's not just sudden fractures

[balmy condor]

? but it was obvious it wasn't coming in 9.1

IF they're working on it, it would be for 9.2

[balmy condor]

idk what this means tbh but an average hit of sbs is higher than an average hit of mut, and you get a dot rolling earlier, which is at least 2 extra ticks

I only see wins here

[rain mortar]

My guild wants me to play my DK as main but I want to play rogue haha. Raid utility would make it easier. They will still let me play rogue but they would prefer I swapped to my DK even with the AMZ nerf.

[limber lion]

Especially when we don't even need the extra combo points for SND whatsoever

Even if we get 4 from Mutilate, it's wasted.

Getting just 1 from SBS is enough to maintain the buff.

[twilit hollow]

I see the value. Rolling a dot faster yeah. Mostly was wondering if if you were running like WPS if you still did sbs opener

[balmy condor]

yes

[twilit hollow]

Gotcha

[warm parcel]

You get a partial extra cast of sbs

You save energy for cp gen where it matters

Theres a million small things

[final star]

It all adds up

1+1=2

[silent parcel]

How do I use Flagellation? Do I hold it for vendetta or just on cd?

[teal bloom]

Use it on cd unless you know that you don't miss a cast by holding

[silent parcel]

Okay ngl I thought flag was some banner type of stuff

I might just lack in braincells

[calm ivy]

Guys, is assa viable for raiding ?

[balmy condor]

very

[calm ivy]

Wait, is this retail or tbc kek

[balmy condor]

retail

#817326218100736000 gets one channel

[gusty mirage]

[rotund jungle]

will Mutilate legendary still be best for ST for assa in 9.1 ?

just a guess

[limber lion]

Doomblade? Most likely.

But we don't know yet.

[undone eagle]

is there a way to remove my freaking neck of BfA???? the heart one

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

You can just take it off.

It's not glued to your character.

[undone eagle]

yeah but i need space in bank

and inventory

i just wanna get rid of this shit

i dont need it anyways

[limber lion]

Buy bigger bags

[undone eagle]

lol

i got max

[limber lion]

It's useful in timewalking

[undone eagle]

and the legendary artifact weps?

[gusty mirage]

You can toss most of the old stuff is the void storage in dal still I believe

If you got gold to burn and really want the bank space

[undone eagle]

cheers thats the help i needed 🙂

[obsidian willow]

How do you use MFD in m+?

[real solar]

I recommend running Vigor instead for M+

If you’re running Zoldyck that is. If you’re running the MA, Nightstalker build - you can just MFD CT from stealth

[carmine dawn]

my opener usually costs all my energy and i have to pool before bursting, what am i doing wrong?

[real solar]

Are you Venthyr with Deeper Strat?

Or necro w vigor?

[carmine dawn]

DS necro

[real solar]

Sim vigor and see if it’s better for you, but the opener is always gonna feel a bit energy starved

[carmine dawn]

pool while i open or pool when im done - is there a difference?

i just feel like i have to reapply gar / rup mid vendetta and it feels off

[real solar]

You shouldn’t have to reapply any bleeds mid vendetta on the opener

What’s your opening rotation or do you have a log so that we can all look and help out

[carmine dawn]

mut snd mut gar bonespike rupture

[real solar]

use sbs from stealth

sbs -> snd

[carmine dawn]

mut > sbs > snd?

im running MA i thought i always mut or enven from stealth

[real solar]

So your opening rotation as necro with MA talent is always gonna be SBS -> SND

when you vanish, you can open with envenom OR mutilate

[carmine dawn]

thank you

[hollow vigil]

as necro with MA legendary what should my opener look like?

[limber lion]

The opener stays the same with the MA legendary and the MA talent.

[pallid quarry]

will ZI still be worth crafting now?

[limber lion]

Zoldyck? Yeah, it's still a very good lengedary for execute and M+

[thorny pond]

Zolds is all around nice to have in general

[thorny pond]

Go vulpera

[left plaza]

Hey folks the last night i was thinking about use ZI and the last necolord soulbind of heirmir for powerful execute phases oriented to progress in 9.1 , what do u think about it?

Edit 1: venthyr looks really good in 9.1 but i feel more confortable with NL

[sacred isle]

As heirmir is the go to soulbind as sin its only natural to go mnemonic. But its still to early to tell what will be best

[low wedge]

In the pins it says that Obediance is a bit behind doomblade, is that refering to doomblade necro or venthyr?

[frail fossil]

wdym ? only ventthyr can make obedience

so obv it's simmed with a venthyr profile

[low wedge]

Talking about the doomblade it was compared to

[final sky]

whats my stat prio for when im higher ilvl? i know its crit>mast but what about after that

[low wedge]

Sim yourself, thats the only real answer

[maiden cave]

Completely noob question but uh, im running thru SL trying to level thru the main campaign and its kinda "too hard". I take massive damage most of the times and if its more than 1 mob at a time its a real struggle, any pointers as to what the hell i could be doing wrong?

Im lvl 52, ilvl 78 and I should have decent talents etc since i took em from the icy veins guide

[drifting cloud]

dont level as assa

[dense axle]

You running leeching poison?

I would just say use kidney shot as much as possible and switch your spec to subtlety

[terse talon]

So do you reckon changing covenant back to venth is best if main goal is raiding in 9.1?

[maiden cave]

Hmm im def not using kidney shot enough, and I dont have leeching poison yet i believe

[gusty mirage]

only 2 ST fights in new raid

[maiden cave]

Is sub that much better for leveling?

[gusty mirage]

@maiden cave yeah outlaw & sub make leveling easier

a lot of it has to do with not getting venomous wounds until later levels

so you're energy starved a lot

[maiden cave]

Aight ill try those things, thanks guys

[final sky]

what will i want to be doing in raid? rotation wise

usually i just use my standard rotation but take out crimson tempest

but i feel i could be doing better

[gusty mirage]

Going to need more information to give you an answer

if you're doing the standard rotation, you're likely doing just fine

[upper elm]

hey quick question, do i overcap with shiv? when muti brings me to 6 cp and iam able to burst?

[tulip nacelle]

yes shiv on cd even if you overcap cp with it

[upper elm]

ok thx 🙂

and on aoe situations until 5 targets i rupture everything i can(if not close to death) maintain garrote and ct?

Pool on envenom (as in get about 30 from your maximum energy before casting envenom) <-- means 120 with deeper -30 so 90 energy y?

[hollow vigil]

what legendaries should i have prepped for 9.1 raid?

[winter vapor]

what sim is the best for Heroic sire, or should I just do an execute one to compare talent builds for phase 3?

[lost mist]

u will "want" doomblade on cloak on 9.1 but not sure if u can craft it rn, zoldyck is good for progress too

[balmy condor]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Kinda not sure yet tbh but doomblade will be on cloak in 9.1 like the guy above said

Indeed cannot craft it until then though so just sit on ash

[balmy condor]

Just a patchewerk is fine, you can do execute patchwerk if you’d like

[winter vapor]

thanks whispyr, trying to decide what to do with talents for him

I have CT, weird as it feels ina raid setting, but trying to figure out if im losing a bunch of DPS without DS/BS

[whole bluff]

wow someone doesn't blindly follows the top logs

[balmy condor]

Overall probably not

[lost mist]

@winter vapor u can just go full st and it will be fine, because your job as assassin is to melt down the boss, but considering that CT is a little bit behind to PB on ST, and can give u more damage on sins+cabalists u can run it and get some more dps overall

[winter vapor]

@lost mist true, thought it was because of the sheer amount of movement that CT had the edge, only done one night of attempts thusfar though, not got to phase 3 in good shape just yet :p

[balmy condor]

Ct is definitely really good

[astral pasture]

im thinking about swapping from venth to necro... running assassination raid, outlaw in M+. good move or not?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Very good move

Move that probably should’ve been done months ago good move

[lost mist]

necro seems to be "bis" on 9.1 bc there are a lot of cleave+short aoe situations on SoD. But even if it is not the bis, lvl up necro renown because is a good covenant and can be useful (outlaw m+ necro god)

[real solar]

😔😔 i need to do this one day, instead of having 2 diff rogues

[lost mist]

top 1 and top 2 world, try it haha

[astral pasture]

months ago lol? am i just that late to the party

[balmy condor]

Yeh kinda

[soft shale]

necro is even becoming stronger with sbs dot critting now for assa

as it also scales with their mastery

not a lot but you feel less wrong about abandoning venth

[astral pasture]

yeah i swapped to venth in 9.0.5 for assassination in raid. i knew nl was good for outlaw in m+ but never considered it for assassination

guess i got some work to do

[soft shale]

to be honest for the bosses where assa was slapping in the end ie sire some beneficial bugs made necro better anyway

some necro zold blasters do 6.7k+ dps on last phase

[vestal wren]

venthyr could be rly goo in raid

necro seems to be a no-brain pick if you play outlaw/m+ a lot

[soft shale]

i do like venthyr a lot only sad theo capstone is still a fuckfest

nadja seems really good for assa but sub does not need that ramping bs

perma stats so sweet

[vestal wren]

i am interested how they end up

once we have stuff in simc

[sonic schooner]

Where are the kyrian rogues 😔

[soft shale]

kyrian is not horrible mikanikos at least for m+ is not bad

[vestal wren]

kyrian died with 30+ renown

[soft shale]

and for pvp they will always have a spot

[sonic schooner]

Idk tbh I started kyrian as almost every pvp rogue then they nerfed it to the ground

[soft shale]

rogue in general does not do much damage compared to its other melee counterparts

also feral is also t1

and dk is mental unless they literally delete the new talents

[low wedge]

Isent doomblade Shoulders/Hands?

[versed mica]

I play venthyr sin for raid, and outlaw for M+, and it's fine. Just not the best

[tulip nacelle]

it is, in 9.1 we will be able to put it on cloak as well and it likely be the choice because of domination sockets

[versed mica]

how do domination sockets work? Are they just spicy gemslots?

[limber lion]

Pretty much, and having 3 of one kind will give you a raid-only buff.

[peak bobcat]

Is deathspike still looking solid post nerf

?

[balmy condor]

It’s probably okay, or meh

Nothing crazy

Good chance zoldyck is still better

[lost mist]

in 9.1 u will be able to craft doomblade on cloak too

[severe narwhal]

for mythic prog in 9.1 are sin rogues going necro or venthre?

[balmy condor]

most are going necro

[limber lion]

[real solar]

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor you know if timewalking dungeons can drop renown?

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

[icy ember]

what is the bis leggo for a sin rogue for raiding in 9.1?

[limber lion]

Throw a dart at a board.

[icy ember]

fair enough

[limber lion]

Could be Doomblade on cape slot, could be something else entirely.

[frail fossil]

sogon

is bis

[icy ember]

why on cape? are the gearing options from uh the new raid favoring that?

[frail fossil]

because there is domination socket slot on glove and shoulders

[icy ember]

ah i see

[limber lion]

The last 2 bosses drop higher ilvl items, which should be accounted for as well as domination sockets.

[quaint carbon]

More soul ash farm

[limber lion]

Imagine not having 11k soul ash stored up already

[flat kiln]

Is Zoldyck on legs a safe choice for 9.1?

[silent fossil]

fake bahroo emote

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Not necessarily, Kel'Thuzad drops higher ilvl pants.

[flat kiln]

Hmm, any cause to regret boots? Hoping to craft it for SLG prog but a bit behind on soul ash

[limber lion]

Domination sockets on boots.

Legs are a safer option for sure.

But it's likely we'll get a third slot, which could be the best choice out of the 3 in 9.1

But you couldn't craft them before 9.1 anyways then.

I'd recommend just making the pants now.

[low wedge]

Do u guys think t4 will be cheaper when 9.1 comes or will everyone be making the new bis and t5 will take acouple of weeks?

[flat kiln]

Gotcha, thanks. Maybe i'll just craft 225 legs to be conservative

[limber lion]

The new tiers use a new kind of currency. You can infinitely farm soul ash

I'd imagine that people will rush their bis legendaries to as high as possible asap

Getting r4's will be fairly easy in 9.1

The soul ash recipe cost stays the same. It's hard to say what happens to the gold value of the item as it differs server to server.

On some smaller servers it's quite easy to manipulate the entire market.

[low wedge]

So its better to make t3 leggos if u want to use a new one rn but wanna be cheap?

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't drop gold for r4 if you might have to end up recrafting

just my 2 cents

[weary marten]

what slot will we craft the bonespike lego next patch ?

And i have Doomblade on gloves, zoldyck on pants, will i need to switch to other piece ?

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[weary marten]

👌

[strange python]

is necro looking like the better covenant in 9.1 for assa as well ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

do we still not have any logs from PTR raid testing or primary thoughts from you guys who test often in terms of how rogue feels ?

[balmy condor]

it feels identical to right now

[weary marten]

Anyway this expansion is world of caster x)

[indigo mulch]

Its always world of casters.

Rogues arae doing pretty decent though

from what i've heard atleast.

[frail fossil]

rogues are like, one of the highest tuned melee spec p much

[indigo mulch]

Now when 4 dks for prog isent like BiS then other melee's can prob come along 😄

[frail fossil]

but it's also melee, and no raid utility

[indigo mulch]

To be fair

unless your a top end raider. As long as you have enough healing cds any comp works :p

[strange python]

couldn't they somehow make smoke bomb into raid utility

[frail fossil]

amz was broken so clearly they need to add more of that 🙂

[alpine latch]

Interesting...

EP is simming 50 DPS higher for me over Blindside for ST

[balmy condor]

with vigor right

[alpine latch]

ya

[balmy condor]

yeah that's normal

we play ep+vig or bs+deeper

[alpine latch]

Should I run 2312321 then?

[balmy condor]

but never bs+vigor

[alpine latch]

hmm, interesting. I've definitely been running that

[balmy condor]

yeh, don't

[alpine latch]

interesting, okay

I've been playing ST wrong then

Cool, so 3322321 sims the highest for me

[balmy condor]

yeah, that sounds reasonable

[alpine latch]

I'll have to start running that

[balmy condor]

ep+vig should be very closely following that

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it's like 12 DPS off

Pretty damn close

[balmy condor]

play whichever you feel

[alpine latch]

I like Vigor, so I'll probably run EP/Vigor

Still debating on whether or not I should go Outlaw for m+ or just stay Sin

[azure bronze]

Depends if you run with a set group of friends or just pug. I feel like it's harder to play assa in pugs vs outlaw.

[bronze belfry]

I would agree with that.

[alpine latch]

I've done decently well

In pugs as Sin

[bronze belfry]

Yeah, I mean so have I

I think the appeal is that outlaw is kind of idiot proof and non reliant on anyone hah

[alpine latch]

ya

[torn atlas]

My experience playing Sin in pugs is that you need to be the one to do all the "over and above". And by over and above, I mean normal things like kicks/stuns/cd/soothes that you nedd do in a dedicated group, only you can't rely on it being shared. Which isn't really a spec thing, it's a pug thing.

[thorny pond]

Rogues have a huge kit in general for that and not using your kit to the fullest and just trying to DPS is inting

[woven ruin]

That extra stun with gouge is nice though in keys for outlaw

[wintry spade]

doomblade shoulders crit haste right

[echo geyser]

u should wait till next patch unless u dont mind farming more

cause of domination sockets

but rn u craft doomblade on gloves

[balmy condor]

definitely not shoulders

shoulders are the worst slot

it's looking like cloak doom or cloak dashing

[alpine latch]

What should we sim for when it comes to m+ upgrades? Dslice? HAC?

[soft shale]

d slice

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I was afraid of that

With dslice it tells me to run PB and not CT

[pallid quarry]

is zods still legs?

[alpine latch]

yes

[pallid quarry]

tym

tyvm*

[hazy crater]

Thats super unlikely

[flat kiln]

I might be stupid but I can't wrap my head around SBS combo point generation. sometimes I'll have it on the target and it will only generate 1, sometimes i'll only have 1 out and it will generate 4. I've tried to correlate it to crits/seal fate but it still doesn't make sense unless there are multiple damage instances and it sometimes ignores the baseline +1 per SBS out. What's going on?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I'm dumb

I swapped dslice on my droptimizer and not on my top gear

😦

[balmy condor]

it's supposed to count itself on application, so the first spike should be 1 base, 1 sbs, and then if it crits, 1 more

but its a little janky

and the damage hits before the dot sometimes because of server ticks

so in that case, it would be 1 base, 0 sbs, and 0-1 crit

so there's technically a possibility for 3 cp from the first one, or 1

once you have that 1 out, it should follow the 2 + crit rule

if you then have adds, and spike an add, you repeat the process

so 2 targets would be spike on the boss, and you're throwing onto the add

[viral locust]

Hello beautifuls. Returning rogue player, already have Celerity for outlaw shenangians but want to run Sin in raids. Doomblade still the play?

[hazy crater]

yeah that is something that is just weird, getting 1cp is probably pretty rare but I remember every time it happens

[balmy condor]

1 base, 2 sbs (sometimes 1 with the bug), 0-1 for the crit

so that second spike can bug and make for 1+1+0 for 2 cp

or if it crits and doesn't bug

it can do 1+2+1 for 4

[balmy condor]

kinda? might be dashing as well, we don't really know atm, would have to craft things on cloak for 9.1

best to just wait

[flat kiln]

I see. Yeah I didn't realize it was supposed to count itself since I saw 1 ST before, but that explains how my 2nd spike can be +4. Guess I'll just have to deal with the oddities of the the 1+1 on a new target. Thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[viral locust]

Dashing huh? Cloak? Alright, saves me a small headache. Thank you!

[balmy condor]

also not something I see getting fixed for what it's worth

it's not as easy of a fix as "oh the sbs dot crits now"

[alpine latch]

Man, dslice really likes Mastery

[balmy condor]

cause it's inherently a problem with networking

[hazy crater]

yeah what would even fix it

no idea

[balmy condor]

they would I guess have to force the dot to hit first, and the instant hit would be allowed to go through then

but idk what they have in place to do that

changing it to be synchronous instead of the async it is right now could have some issues with other damage instances

so really depends on what the framework is like under the hood

and I'm guessing it's old

and bad

[hazy crater]

spaghetti

[thorny pond]

If they expanded the backpack we would have correct sbs

[pallid quarry]

whats the plan for week 1? we crafting DB straight up?

[hazy crater]

Can't really have plans with so little information for now

but DB would still be the best leggo in cloak slot

possibly

[wintry spade]

i didn't take the domination shards changes into consideration with legendaries

i think i'm a pussy and i'll wait until we tuning is finished and 9.1 arrives to craft a legendary

[balmy condor]

that's what I would suggest

[soft shale]

just vial before it

[dawn ivy]

so leather is the only armor type that can buy both BoEs and still have all domination gem slots open

hyuge

[balmy condor]

vial? before blood price?

seems like a wasted vial if you're close to topped

[steep obsidian]

you can fully cloak a blood price but itmight be overkill i find fatal finesse after a blood price or overlap scarier

id reckon talk to the couple healers in your phase and see when they are most scared havin you die it might be diff for diff specs, I know our pali prefers us to come out of blood price with higher health because he can't heal much while running around to soak and spamming tanks

my guild kind of sucks tho

[scenic root]

Do sim's undervalue IQD dps increase? i simed a 220 vs my 226 ooze and the IQD is like 30dps less, which i though IQD was 3nd best trinket

[drifting cloud]

are you venthyr and haste isnt your highest stat?

[scenic root]

necro

haste is highest stat as well

[drifting cloud]

yeah its not good with haste highest stat

needs to be crit

[balmy condor]

necro doesn't matter

it's venthyr crit that's the bump specifically

[balmy condor]

it shouldn't after the recent changes about a month ago

it wasn't syncing with vendetta properly

I went in and fixed that

so should be accurate

it's just not as great for necro as it is for venthyr

most of the bloodmallet/herodamage charts will show IQD with venthyr

so you're seeing a skewed chart to begin with

[scenic root]

rip my valor then.

[balmy condor]

did you not sim it beforehand?

[drifting cloud]

even as necro aslong as its doing crit it should still be very decent or?

[balmy condor]

yeah haste and crit aren't that much different for necro

crit on venthyr is huge though

[drifting cloud]

oh I see like that

[scenic root]

i did sim it, guess i hit 226ilvl not 220. so 30dps less rather than 30dps more lmao

[balmy condor]

unlucky

yeah I always make sure to run a 220 droptimizer before I valor stuff

oh well

[scenic root]

yeah

i dont have anything else to upgrade

[balmy condor]

yeah not much of a loss

[scenic root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cND2b4C6S18KuC84BJbZt2

[balmy condor]

just unfortunate

shoulder doomblade

[scenic root]

shh i know

when i made them i wasnt doing mythic clearing. we are on council now... dont think we will get farm on SLG

[balmy condor]

we can do better though

hold on