assassination

[drowsy coral]

can't believe i stayed NF for so long

[dawn ivy]

kyrian for pvp, got nerfed, everyone rush NF, venthyr got buffed, everyone rush venthyr, necro APL changed its actually almost as good as venthyr, everyone rush necro

i dont think any other class has gone through all 4 covenants yet

[crude glade]

Alright thank you!

[royal lantern]

not many people "rushed" venthyr or went kyrian

only wannabe pvp tryhards went kyrian in the first place, cus the ability was dogshit for everything that is NOT pvp

and pvp only people are the far far FAR minority in wow

[dark crag]

Pvp only is the minority of the minority

[onyx raptor]

necro was the worst by far at first, but now they all seem balanced imo

also anyone happen to know if there is better to open with SBS instead of Mutilate when using EP and MA? talents? on ST

[dim ledge]

should you waste combo points to ensure you get a full combo point rupture?

[tulip nacelle]

no

[tulip nacelle]

you always want your first gcd to be sbs

so yes

[ornate lake]

What classes have highest execute damage in the game atm? And how does rogue compare to these?

[gloomy knoll]

shadow priest numbah won

[shrewd dawn]

Guys SB and CT damage are affected by Zoldyck legendary right?

[keen cairn]

Ye

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[compact pumice]

Soulshape is so damn good though. Miss it a lot

[limber lion]

Big negative. The first iteration of Flag was the worst, followed by Echoing Reprimend, followed by nerfed SBS and then Sepsis.

[drowsy coral]

I was not talking about numbers but the feeling of using it

[limber lion]

Me too

[spice spire]

OG flag was 100% the worst

Also the kyrian ability

[drowsy coral]

Well then I guess it comes down to personal preferences, I liked the mini-game with Echoing better than sepsis

[spice spire]

Is worse than sepsis.

That I can see, flagellation was just awful, it ate two globals and didn’t do much

[drowsy coral]

Actually, flag might indeed be the worst, at least with sepsis there was a way to optimize the spell (with the little explosion), true

[stoic needle]

Spriest > rogue > dk > warrior

[fallen arch]

With Blindside and Zoldyck that is

[dawn ivy]

is twist of fate really that good of an execute?

i guess flat 10% dam buff is strong

[stoic needle]

Yes because it applies to all of their damage

While zoldyck is only bleeds and poisons and not env/autos which is like 40% of our damage

[sacred isle]

Just you wait. Soon bonebois will get imba 3% execute 🙄

[compact pumice]

And we don't run the execute leggo unless we really need that execute damage increase because overall DB is better damage. Which means effectively we only have Execute damage on something like last boss.

[limber lion]

Yeah, Spriests run it on everything

Necrolord is actually great for execute

Venthyr is a bit meh

[stoic needle]

Make zoldyck baseline

[compact pumice]

Isn't warrior's DPS increase on execute higher but their damage is just so low?

Or is that only arms

[stoic needle]

Idk about that

[limber lion]

Just arms, but yeh

Spriest is already the #1 st dps

[compact pumice]

yup

[limber lion]

So adding execute on top of that is just nutty

[compact pumice]

Did they get nerfed for 9.1 at all?

[limber lion]

Yes they did, their bis conduit got nerfed

But it wasn't a very big nerf.

Like 5%

Still top tier

[stoic needle]

They do less st but better cleave now

But still better st than everyone else

[frosty cedar]

they got nerfed in st with conduit and main spender DP getting nerfed, with shadow word pain and vamp touch getting buffed

[limber lion]

Ye, nerfed Devouring Plague and increased dot damage

[frosty cedar]

It's about 4% st nerf

[limber lion]

The thing about SP is

That their boring as fuck to play

[fallen arch]

Spriests bum me out

[dawn ivy]

oh i hard disagree with that

spriest rework feels like one of the best kits theyve ever made imo

[frosty cedar]

I main spriest, they are annoying cause it's literally CD hell

With night fae

[compact pumice]

That's just most ranged classes though

[limber lion]

I leveled one to max because I'm a dps whore, but it's the worst spec in aoe

Spriest is soo much fun in ST

Or 2T

But sooo bad in aoe

They literally talent into Seething Darkness

Then they only use that

[compact pumice]

Oh? Even more braindead than Sub's SS + BP?

[limber lion]

It's literally a one button rotation in aoe

Yes

[drowsy coral]

It's basically the same as sub honestly, mindsear into spender and repeat

[fallen arch]

You must love Havoc then

[drowsy coral]

That is, if there's more than 5 targets

[fallen arch]

2 button aoe

[drowsy coral]

You basically vampiric touch 4 targets then proceed to spam the same 2 buttons

if below 5

[limber lion]

If they had a button to spread Vampiric Touch in aoe, it would be good

[drowsy coral]

if above you just spam 2 buttons

[limber lion]

It's the big downfall of it

[drowsy coral]

100% agreed

I mean, they still pump in big packs in MM+

[compact pumice]

TBH the rotations I like the best in AOE is the ones that actually aren't that much affected such as Outlaw, Fury warr, WW monk. Just a few prio changes that make it more dynamic and then you just pump normally

[limber lion]

Yeah but it's boring af

[drowsy coral]

I've seen that top MM+ SP guy pump pretty hard on stream, but yeah, boring

[limber lion]

Outlaw and Sin are fun in aoe

Outlaw even more in 9.1 with Deathspike

[drowsy coral]

Can't wait to use that leggo

Plus if it's as good as it looks, elem shaman will not steal all our spots in M+ groups

[stiff geyser]

Playing Spriest is to accept you’ll always feel like you’re not doing what you’re supposed to

[fallen arch]

Will it?

[thorny pond]

Going back horde. I was a belf. What race do I wanna be? I don't care about the 1-2% increase I could get what is yall's favorites?

[shy axle]

how do you open on sire myth? Do you save your MA to use vanish - fok - env- fok or just the normal st one? Also, do you play EP and CT or do you prefer the ST build for progress?

[spice spire]

Belf bis for mog reasons only

But other races that are fine are both sets of trolls, orcs.

[keen cairn]

U should run CT for sure, just because of the heavy movement in p3. Apart from that, EP/BS are fine.

[thorny pond]

My only gripe is the whiny voice lines and grunts "hyAY"

[shy axle]

ok thanks

[spice spire]

Playing with master volume above 3%

[night prawn]

@keen cairn does CT peform better in the last phase then PB for progress? I was taking PB so far for the single target in p3

[shy axle]

anything special regarding cd usage that might not be the first thing i think about when reading the guide?

[thorny pond]

Master volume at 110%

[keen cairn]

4%, can't stand odd numbers

[thorny pond]

Need to hear every grunt cast and hyay

[keen cairn]

U barely get full value out of PB in p3. And CT is only slightly behind in ST

[keen cairn]

In addition, CT ticks while u dodge massacres/overlaps/when u move out to drop orb

[thorny pond]

CT adds value to Zolds when you can't be on the boss for reasons above

PB gets your trolled by tanks

[keen cairn]

What Beach says

[warm parcel]

Can we dispel this random notion of pb not hitting in p3

Like someone just made that shit up one day randomly?

And ct hitting while youre midair

[keen cairn]

?

[warm parcel]

So does pb hit

[spice spire]

Toxic

[keen cairn]

What

[spice spire]

My gf can’t either that’s why I do it

[warm parcel]

pb doesnt last 12 seconds on the floor

[thorny pond]

5 and 10 are even numbers for sake of argument with my wife

[night prawn]

Thanks for the replies will switch it up!

[keen cairn]

PB is more RNG reliant. U don't want that in a progress scenario

[warm parcel]

???????????

[spice spire]

Holy shit same with mine LMAO

[warm parcel]

t7 talent is literally 2% of your dps

its absofuckinglutely irrelevant to any p3 of sire

and no pb doesnt suddenly do 0% in p3 cause boss moves

[hollow escarp]

also CT means less envenoms with doomblade

[warm parcel]

If you wanna argue for CT, at least do it right

[hollow escarp]

even though it does buff doomblade

[warm parcel]

Its far better for p2

Yes

But there is nothing wrong with pb in p3

[keen cairn]

Nope, but CT just gets more value in P2 and p3 with zoldyck

[warm parcel]

shackles buff pb too

again moot

[stoic needle]

I mean if you get a proc while sire is moving it's not going to do full damage

[warm parcel]

Say you miss one out of the 4 ticks

Every pb

[stoic needle]

More like only get 1 of the 4

[keen cairn]

U have your preference I have mine, all good m8.
Just thinking that CT is better in a progress environment on sire especially when u run with zoldyck

[warm parcel]

Youre now down one fourth of your 2% dps coming from the talent

About what you would lose picking ct

[stoic needle]

Nothing

You'd actually gain the ability to do more dps during downtime

[warm parcel]

Youre just completely incorrectly arguing for ct

Coming up with random reasons that make no sense

[stoic needle]

I'm not the one who came up with this

If you disagree take it up with whispyr and cev

[warm parcel]

Im not talking to you even

I never said dont pick ct lol

I said at least look at it for the reasons its actually useful

[stoic needle]

I didn't say that you did

[warm parcel]

Instead of coming up with why pb suddenly is worthless

[drowsy coral]

[warm parcel]

Actually looking at our past logs

0 ticks of pb were missed

Over the course of p3

[stoic needle]

I don't really get why you think that the reasons are wrong, and that you somehow can't lose value on pb during p3 of sire due to movement

[hollow escarp]

well, you should check the initial message

[warm parcel]

This is just completely false

And coming from thin air

Is my issue here

[keen cairn]

Which point of it?

[stoic needle]

Well it is true that ct is only slightly behind on st

[keen cairn]

Was just saying that THEORETICALLY u could get giga cucked and always get a PB right before boss moves. CT would just ensure that you have a stable source of dmg.
Nothing more nothing less

[hollow escarp]

the legendary choice is als o an important factor for the CT/PB argument

[warm parcel]

Which is a very different argument to barely any value

Just cause one said so

And if p2 didnt exist, I would bet noone would ever even entertain the idea of ct in p3

[keen cairn]

Think we just not coming together here buddy

[somber bison]

Do go on though

[cobalt pelican]

technically the boss could do a 720 and parry every single one of your cts

so you should play hidden blades

[stoic needle]

Can ct get parried?

[spice spire]

Fuck

[stoic needle]

I had sire deflect so many of my sbs last night it's so fucking stupid

[hollow escarp]

I just distract

and ninja pull at 0.5 sec

so no deflects

in like 100+ pulls

[plain thistle]

my sbs got parried 3 times on huntsmans 2 weeks ago, fucking dogs man

[hollow escarp]

by ninja pull I mean that I sbs as soon as I see a boomie spell hitting the boss

[plain thistle]

back to back

[spice spire]

Hungering

[stoic needle]

Distract

[shy dust]

Wouldnt that mean he is just still facing the same direction as originally Fairy

Also that’s an apt description of Inerva

Randomly turn around parry

[keen cairn]

Yeah my man, the 720 wouldn't do a thing

[somber bison]

You are wrong though

Because while he spins he will also parry

[keen cairn]

U wait until he's done with the spinny. Pooling energy

[shy dust]

How?

[somber bison]

That is why he does it randomly

[keen cairn]

Fuck

[shy dust]

Nah like how could you think anyone asked

[keen cairn]

Going on my lock then

[somber bison]

understandable have a nice day

[spice spire]

Someone stop him, he can’t keep getting away with it

[quasi grotto]

Had my First night on slg on Sunday. And trying to figure out how to maximise my aoe dps. Do I just maintain CT when within the pandemic timer, and continue to signal target focus. Just looking at logs I see Fan if knives being used differently and feeling a but overwhelmed still so not helping 😂

[gusty mirage]

Rae is unstoppable, once that universal truth is accepted everything else becomes easier to understand

[spice spire]

Who?

Damn sorry that’s toxic

[gusty mirage]

[odd hazel]

I didn’t realize we go by “what ifs ” so much

[spice spire]

What if mechagnomes weren’t bad?

[stoic needle]

[thorny pond]

What if I was good at this game?

[vestal wren]

you would probably play a mage or a balance druid if that was the case

[thorny pond]

Did Fuu just roast me? Damn time to #delete wow

[vestal wren]

i just like to (as a joke) iterate on opinions stated by very influential wow players/streamers

[thorny pond]

Time to roll aflic lock

[vestal wren]

in this case on the opinion that good players will never play something that is not "the best"

[thorny pond]

Are we about to be flooded with FotMs?

[pale fossil]

I had a boss yesterday parry my SBS on opener and I like short circuited lmao

[vestal wren]

i don't think so. Rogue even if it is dps wise good will probably not see more than 1-2 raid spots

[thorny pond]

New smoke bomb could be the bees knees.

[vestal wren]

and given how melee is not a wanted raid position its more likely towards 0-1 rogues

[pale fossil]

Is that a thing?

[thorny pond]

No lol

[vestal wren]

smoke bomb could make us more relevant

but so far we don't have smoke bomb or anything else on ptr
(in terms of raid utility)

[thorny pond]

Give us something fun

[crystal vault]

coming back to rogue, what's the rule in first talent row, when is Blindside better than EP?

[thorny pond]

Single target

[vestal wren]

single target

[thorny pond]

and sim yourself*

EP VIgor is very close for some with necro and other situations

[pale fossil]

FWIW, I run EP/Vigor in M+ and BS/DS in Raid, generally. I might run EP/Vigor on cleave/add fights, though, I'm fairly new to Sin.

[spice spire]

I actually run EP/Vigor in raid now, it’s a slight gain. By slight I mean +2

[limber lion]

I change talents for every single boss, but EP/Vig is perfectly fine for the entire tiet.

[pale fossil]

I haven't really looked at it because we're progging M Sire, so even if it was a slight gain I think I'd want BS for the slight execute bump.

[limber lion]

BS/DS loses quite a bit in multi-target scenarios and EP/Vig is just very slightly behind DS/BS in ST

[pale fossil]

Maybe I should consider swapping for Sire then. I'll sim it and see.

[limber lion]

I mean it depends on what you want to do, right?

EP/Vig/CT is more overall, DS/BS/PB the highest damage in P3

[simple wadi]

I'd also say with the recent change to sire - all the more reason to go EP/vigor

[silent fossil]

dmg check in p3 is pretty trivial now. i’d recommend ep/vigor/ct for pushing boss dmg as close to 37% as you can prior to p3.

[simple wadi]

^^

[limber lion]

It might not be trivial for progression.

[simple wadi]

5% is huge

[limber lion]

With people focusing harder on doing mechanics, people dying left and right

[pale fossil]

That's a good point. I've been running DS/BS/CT because I figured he's still moving too much to get value from PB.

[silent fossil]

i mean i get that, but we killed it far before the 3rd pie slice last night lol

[pale fossil]

Yesterday we were consistently phasing him into P3 with 37% or so, so it should be fine.

It's just people living the Ravages atm.

[limber lion]

Same, but that's comparing someone who has killed it 10+ times and someone who's never killed it

Just getting through the overlap is a struggle for most guilds progressing the boss

[pale fossil]

Yeah, we got to the second BP I think three times last night, and we always wiped on them, but I think we're comfy on damage so I should look at EP/Vig more.

[limber lion]

But

If you're pushing 37% already

And you're dying in p3

[pale fossil]

Oh right.

[limber lion]

Why change?

[pale fossil]

Because I can't leave things alone.

Lolol

[odd hazel]

What if you didn’t simp for osh

[brittle hedge]

Do you put best weapon in main hand or offhand?

[spice spire]

LMAO. I don’t. Should have said whispyr or oxi

[tulip nacelle]

higher ilvl weapon in mh

[limber lion]

Always main hand.

[limber lion]

If I was Alliance, I would 100% be Mechagnome

they're dank robot boys that blast dps

What's not to like

[compact pumice]

Yeah Mechagnomes are literally the best 😮 Unless you optimize for M+ and want to run MA with Shadowmeld or something.

[spice spire]

Mfers walking around like this

That’s what’s not to like

Passive is best tho

Can’t get past the look

[limber lion]

Just close your eyes

[compact pumice]

That doesn't affect DPS

[spice spire]

[compact pumice]

Can't care then

[spice spire]

Better mog = better dps can’t fix that on diaper babies

[vocal kelp]

Just have an infinite amount of Savory Deviate Delight's

ez fix

[spice spire]

Ahhh

A counter point I can get behind

[compact pumice]

So many roleplayers SMH

[limber lion]

Just macro Vial of Green Goo on Mutilate

[compact pumice]

I'd play a dirty hobo if it meant more DPS

[spice spire]

Ahhh I see

[spice spire]

The chad RPer versus the beta min-max’er

[compact pumice]

Imagine them adding Arrakoa as a playable race, that kind that like walks like they have a peg leg, and just making it have the best racials for everything. Would be so funny to read the "Why are you forcing me to look ugly?!" posts

[spice spire]

Arrakoa > mechagnome

[nimble tartan]

i look like that irl

[spice spire]

Nice dude

[real nexus]

is assa bis for this week's affixes?

[limber lion]

Outlaw is always the better choice for most dungeons.

[thorny pond]

Sin gets non meta brownie points. Can brag to people

[gusty mirage]

So what you’re saying is I can brag now?

Comin for that top 3

[hollow river]

Yeesh nice man

[slow marsh]

welp

watch out cuz i got invited to a team and am knocking out all 20s next week

[thorny pond]

Best feeling is when someone says "I didn't know sin rogues were so good"

[slow marsh]

Yeah I agree. It's like the worst kept secret

[gusty mirage]

Beat a boomie in overall and he goes “man I lost to an assassination rogue?”

[thorny pond]

Fotm tears season my fries man

[gusty mirage]

do itttt

Need more assa rogues representing on these leaderboards

[shy axle]

anything differs regarding necro St usage in comparison to outlaw or is it the same in general ? (do not cap, fill up "missing cps")

?

[gusty mirage]

Open with SBS from stealth, don’t cap, dump charges during gems

[slow marsh]

tbh i never cared about doing high keys until i started pumping as sin

It just does something to you

[gusty mirage]

It’s very involved, plus vanish -> can help save fucked up interrupts making you feel like such a boss

[obtuse island]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic needle]

I think I'm burnt out from doing keys :/

I haven't pushed anything in weeks

[limber lion]

Same. Wouldn't call it burn out in my case though.

[limber lion]

I did a +15 SD yesterday and I did 8k overall, the Warlock did 5.5k and 3rd dps did 2.8k

[slow marsh]

oof

[limber lion]

The Warlock thought that I was a literal god

[thorny pond]

Did you carry?

[stoic needle]

imagine having a prey on the weak simp

[thorny pond]

8k for an SD 15 is pretty good mate

[limber lion]

Yeh it was a fun run

[thorny pond]

Our DPS is great for carries

[stoic needle]

the times i've missed gouge the most is doing boosts though tbf

having one less interrupt is annoying sometimes

[thorny pond]

Can be. I hate non-communicative tanks seems like when I play OL my gouge is always a positioning issue since they are spinning adds 100% of the time

[real nexus]

idk man, im running my dos 20 and I cant imagine bringing an outlaw to hakkar and 3rd boss, the dps is just important. I even run doomblade as troll as it sounds

[thorny pond]

comp and CD management becomes a real thing at 20s

[shy axle]

@gusty mirage thanks, whats gems?

[hushed torrent]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89soetc46pbDaAVZuAhudY how does bis cloak and a belt with +13 ilvl and the same secondary stats sim -70 to 100 dps ?

[limber lion]

Because of IQD stats

[ebon fulcrum]

is it worth using Crimson Tempest on the adds in p1 (Sire mythic)?

[limber lion]

You need to have crit as your highest stat and changing your gear will change how IQD functions.

[limber lion]

Yes

[thorny pond]

int on your sim chest too

[ebon fulcrum]

tnx

[warm parcel]

no

youre literally simming with int enchant chest

maybe swap that to agi

[shy axle]

do i just switch the first muti for an SBS if running necrolord and everything else stays the same ? (Mut, snd, mut gar -> sbs - snd - mut - gar)

[hushed torrent]

its the chesat enchant

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bJm5SShBvDw2k9DkN1ULUq

[stoic needle]

You being outlaw or sin isn't gonna be the deciding factor of killing hakkar and xyexa on a 20

Sin does more st than outlaw, but it's not THAT much more

[thorny pond]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b9z5RxZ7msjiGQCpEuDvRG

[stoic needle]

Esp not on a 20

[slow marsh]

also those are more about bursty damage so outlaw kind of still beats it

[stoic needle]

Outlaw doesn't have burst

[real nexus]

those are also long fight and assa def outshines imo

[stoic needle]

Sin doesn't really either tbh

[slow marsh]

It can burst, just not necessarily on demand i guess. also i guess you dont usually take KS

[stoic needle]

Neither sin nor outlaw have meaningful burst

[slow marsh]

not meaningful you're right

[stoic needle]

And like I said, being sin vs outlaw is not gonna make the difference between killing those bosses and not

They both do enough damage to do it

[slow marsh]

trutru

[stoic needle]

Unless the rest of your group is hard trolling

[limber lion]

Gonna be honest, I didn't even look. I just opened it up between Sire pulls

But yeh, fix your enchants kek

[hushed torrent]

idk why int enchant was on the sim must have messed it up when simming my boomie

[south nest]

I play at Huntsman with CT and Subterfuge. What is the best way to engage there? First full Singeltarget dmg on the dog or already at the beginning Rup, CT and Garrote on both targets?

[thorny pond]

$%^@ happens man

[slow marsh]

Bleed both on pull

[stoic needle]

Ruptures first then ct

[hollow river]

Don’t we use ep?

[limber lion]

You always put bleeds on both targets.

[limber lion]

EP is on the first row, Subterfuge on the second.

[trim turret]

Not garrotte?

[hollow river]

Ep, ma

Is what I tend to use on huntsman

[stoic needle]

I prefer ma as well

[limber lion]

We only use Garrote as our opener if you're playing Subterfuge.

[slow marsh]

im too slow

[limber lion]

I use MA as well, but Subterfuge is fine.

It sims better on 2T for most.

[south nest]

what is the best rota then ? with vendetta and sepsis ?

[limber lion]

Garrote t1 - Garrote t2 - Mutilate to 4-5 - Rupture t1 - Mutilate to 4-5 - Rupture t2 - Vendetta - Sepsis - Shiv

After Shiv - Mutilate - CT

You can also use Vendetta a lot earlier

[south nest]

oke thank you

[limber lion]

Like after the first Rupture

Doesn't really make much of a difference.

[trim turret]

Yeah sorry not sure why I assumed m+. I was reading the comments below about the SD 😴I’m tired

[limber lion]

That's okay

[trim turret]

3:30am in Aus, messed up my sleep

[south nest]

when should i use slice?

[hollow river]

After garrotes iirc

[thorny pond]

after you SBS or Mut (or Garrote)

[south nest]

after that whole rota or should i use it with garrote comb points

oke thx 😄

[hollow river]

You just want at least 2-3 cp for first SnD iirc

[limber lion]

Oh yeah sorry. On Huntsman you normally use the spiders in the boss room to get Slice N' Dice up and ready before the pull

But you would use it like this normally:
Garrote - Mutilate - Slice

[hollow river]

Wow big brain

[south nest]

hmm well my guild is slow, we have new people with us, so first the boss is explained again...

[gusty mirage]

Heimir’s gemstones, the top most soulbind ability

There’s a weak aura that tracks it

[limber lion]

Top most, or bottom most?

[shy axle]

@shy axle good, thanks

is the gems wa on wago?

[limber lion]

That's not how you reply to others.

But yeah, there's plenty in wago.

https://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

Here's the one that I use

[shy axle]

yeah i missclicked haha

thanks tho mate

[gusty mirage]

It’s relative I guess “top most” as in the top level renown ability

[reef herald]

For SLG, I see most rogues that play necro go vigor over ds. Is there a reason to pick one over the other or is it just preference?

[limber lion]

DS actually should sim better for Necro. But you can play either, they're both fine.

Not a lot of people enjoy playing DS in aoe and just default to EP/Vigor

[reef herald]

Yeah, ds sims better for me so it confused me as to why most play vigor

[limber lion]

EP is a lot better for AoE, and Vigor/EP pretty much go hand in hand

EP/DS is pretty slow gameplay, but will (usually) perform quite a bit better in heavy aoe.

[pure moth]

I wish .. doesnt help when guilds take 20 minutes between bosses lol

[trail marsh]

Anyone else running Sword mainhand for fortified weeks?

[shy dust]

No

Mut exists

Unless you wanna take the massive dps loss that is pressing FOK on single target

[trail marsh]

Yeah, and isn't very useful

[shy dust]

How do you plan to dps bosses

Our 2t pulls

Or 3t

[trail marsh]

Spike/FoK

Ez

[limber lion]

You literally cannot press your main generator with sword.

[shy dust]

Mut is still heavily used

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

sword mainhand is a gigantic loss

[trail marsh]

Hmmmmmm. Is it though?

[balmy condor]

yes

it is

[shy dust]

Not being able to press

Your main builder on st and low target counts

Would be a pretty big loss yeah

Don’t even need a sim to tell you that

[limber lion]

If you want to play with a sword, go play #outlaw

[trail marsh]

@limber lion no?

[shy dust]

Playing assa with a sword off hand

[limber lion]

I mean, you do you.

[shy dust]

Is a very interesting way to int your damage

[limber lion]

If you want to do 1k dps, go for it buddy

[trail marsh]

1K dps??? Okay. Now I know you're 🧢

[shy dust]

Legit you would lose a ton of dps

It’s not a meme or anything

[limber lion]

Can we get rid of this troll

[shy dust]

Playing assa with a sword off hand is brain dead move

Don’t be brain dead

[trail marsh]

Not reading mainhand is a braindead move

[balmy condor]

that's even worse

[limber lion]

Even worse.

[shy dust]

Main hand

[trail marsh]

Yet 95 Sun King parse...

[shy dust]

Sunking is a meme

[trail marsh]

But. It worked

[drifting cloud]

insane gamer, keep up your lfr journey

[shy dust]

Also what would a sword

Even give you

[limber lion]

Not sure why people enjoy trolling so much

[shy dust]

That a dagger doesn’t

[limber lion]

It just paints them as a dumbass

Like, it's not funny

[shy dust]

I could parse higher than you on shriekwing with a white dagger

Doesn’t mean a white dagger is now viable

[trail marsh]

Except you can't

[limber lion]

I could parse more on Shriekwing with 180 ilvl

Than you would at 225+ using a sword

[hollow river]

LOL

What is going on

[shy dust]

Someone is asking if sword main hand is viable for fortified weeks

[hollow river]

This is just bad

I know I read up

[trail marsh]

People with a lack of imagination or a willingness to think outside of the box

[balmy condor]

@trail marsh I'd like to apologize to you man, I said something that was completely wrong and out of line

[shy dust]

You can imagine it is better

[balmy condor]

I said mainhand is worse than offhand

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/564THkff77KoJGAiGf7A4K

[drifting cloud]

can you just 24h mute bad trolls

please

[shy dust]

Doesn’t make it better though

[balmy condor]

but in fact

it's 0.2% better

my bad

[hollow river]

Roll the bones for me plz I has no imagination for result

[shy dust]

Only a 34% loss

Within margins

[balmy condor]

easily overcome by just pulling bigger

am I right

[shy dust]

One divers folly proc

[trail marsh]

So you're assuming the API is set up to adapt to the loss of mutilate?

[shy dust]

Away from being viable

[balmy condor]

well it can't cast mutilate and needs to generate, so yes

it adapts

also it's APL

[drifting cloud]

I just think you need to optimize sword assa apl more

[peak sandal]

@balmy condor I do not claim him

[balmy condor]

fuck you're right

I forgot about the hidden op strats of not casting your main generator

[dire violet]

While we're at it, I'm assuming 1+1 =3

[balmy condor]

I can set up a quick sim where it uses fok single target

and we'll see

what a fucking disaster

[dire violet]

Did you try it with a 2h?

[plain thistle]

that was my opener on zek vox in our first kill, I had to ask on discord for a repair bot

[limber swallow]

Make sure you update your enchants too.. your last sim of this nonsense was flawed because both hands were running CG

[balmy condor]

that'll do it

[limber swallow]

awfully careless of you, sir... we should call you Careless Whispyr

[sacred isle]

Please post a log of this marvel. Really want to see this in action.

[trail marsh]

@sacred isle https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BpGR8vhkKrYmgHbM#fight=19&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

[trail marsh]

^^^ called it

[peak sandal]

[frail fossil]

nice leeching poisons

[balmy condor]

here, I optimized the APL for you so you can live in your alternate reality, take it and please leave

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/32nJxY29go7f5hvSjo62jA

[trail marsh]

Are you okay?

I'm not trying to challenge your world view on rogues.

[balmy condor]

just helping out a member of the community

so I ran some sims

and optimized for non-dagger main hands

[frail fossil]

[trail marsh]

@balmy condor

@frail fossil does that change the end result?

[balmy condor]

yes

it does

[frail fossil]

[balmy condor]

you would've done more if you would've had a dagger in your main hand

[frail fossil]

honestly it's just very funny that u try to show something is better via a sun king parse

[trail marsh]

Well. at no point did I say anything was better, first of all 🙂

[balmy condor]

hey don't knock it, it's a 92 on heroic

[frail fossil]

oh that's hc ?

[stoic needle]

Heroic logging

[frail fossil]

i just woke up

[hollow escarp]

that's better than most of my Sun King logs with dagger in main hand

[trail marsh]

It seems like everyone just did. On the wrooong side of the bed.

[frail fossil]

[shy dust]

I respect the UwU in the name a fellow connoisseur

[frail fossil]

true

[balmy condor]

it's true, we just pointed out that it's much worse

[trail marsh]

@shy dust Nothing like killing a guy and /farting on them as a little fox man.

@balmy condor And that's absolutely fine. Again. No one was challenging it as being anything amazing.

[snow narwhal]

lmaoooo

[trail marsh]

@snow narwhal Right?

[dawn ivy]

I cant believe how lenient this discord is from beginning of BFA

on god i woulda seen a man get shot for this level of trolling lmfao

[balmy condor]

yep, the original question was if anyone runs it, and because of the loss, there's practically no one doing it, but it is a game and as long as you're having fun, who's to say you're playing wrong

[frail fossil]

yo for sire mythic with the nerf do u still want to vendetta twice in P3 ?

[dawn ivy]

dont see why not

[frail fossil]

talking from a purely reclear standpoint, cuz the first vendetta in p3 u loose quite a bit of uptime on it

[dawn ivy]

uptime loss how?

[frail fossil]

since u wanna vendetta stragiht into p3 ur gonna take the bump and blood price

within ur vend

[dawn ivy]

ah yeah youre still gonna want to vendetta ASAP probably

less time in p3 means youll have less time to get the second Vendetta off

[soft shale]

it depends on guild tbh

[frail fossil]

so i'm like isn't it better to vend twice in p2 and get one vend in P3 with lust

[soft shale]

now that you dont stop dps he phases even earlier and with 37%

what you wont get is a good vend with lust i think

[drifting cloud]

3% isnt gonna make you kill the boss insanely faster

atleast not to a point whered youd lose a vendetta

[dawn ivy]

3% is maybe 10 seconds?

[soft shale]

idk boss is dying 20 secs earlier

not whole vendetta lost but i havent killed it yet

being sat this week

[drifting cloud]

yeah? so if you vendetta as soon as phase starts thats still fine

like before nerf Id vendetta after 1st bp still get 2nd one nps

[frail fossil]

if i do that i dont get second vend on lust

[drifting cloud]

unlucky scuffed dk lust

[frail fossil]

tbf i doubt it makes a diff vending twice in P2 or P3

[soft shale]

imagine not using lust after first price

[frail fossil]

just was curious since i dont play assa much

[frail fossil]

i wish

[soft shale]

also yea like ryler said chances are still very unlikely you cant use 2 vend

[drifting cloud]

yeah unless its some super cracked p3 speed kill

most of the time should be fine

[soft shale]

yea unless you're unlucky and have like 3 or 4 sps in your guild

and they do like 8.3k dps in p3

[drifting cloud]

and even then just using it 1s into p3 should still be fine

[soft shale]

but most guilds are super safe

[drifting cloud]

worst case you might lose half of 2nd one

[frail fossil]

yeah and in p2 u cant rly stick to dpsing the boss with vend

[soft shale]

just dot the adds

[frail fossil]

so u dont really win anything by using a second one there

idk like u can like get 3 envenoms in, cuz u have like sire, the sword and the 2 adds dot to keep up

[drifting cloud]

its just super guild specific how you were phasing into p3 now even if youre moving the vendettas around

alot of people phase before the last hand or during massacre

so now thats probably alot harder

and alot of them just stop dps for 30s

[frail fossil]

we entered P3 at 6min

which is fairly quick i think

[drifting cloud]

no way its 6min

[real solar]

that's like 45s faster than normal

[soft shale]

hmm

[limber lion]

[drifting cloud]

6min is speed strat and I dont see your guild here

[frail fossil]

am i reading something wrong here ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ma92H87zXPvchdGF#fight=16&phase=4&type=damage-done

dont look at my p3 dmg i can explain

[drifting cloud]

I mean 6:22 is alot different than 6

[limber lion]

Yeah it phased 6:22

[real solar]

ya, it's 6:22

look at the graph

the shaded area

@frail fossil

[frail fossil]

ah yeah i see

mb then

[limber lion]

Let's look at p2

[drifting cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ma92H87zXPvchdGF#fight=16&phase=4&type=casts&ability=79140

[limber lion]

Only 7.5k in p2?

[drifting cloud]

nice lust vendetta

[limber lion]

Bruh, you need to pad more

Where's your padding senses

[frail fossil]

yo wtf it's my first p2 as assa and i'"m on gloomveil duty

i cant cleave out here

[drifting cloud]

oh thats the one kill you inted

[frail fossil]

the one ?

[limber lion]

Only 370k on Cabalists :'(

[frail fossil]

that's like the third

[limber lion]

Gotta be merciless and just destroy those fuckers

[frail fossil]

i mean i just pop bleeds on them ?

and focus the boss

[limber lion]

Disgusting.

[frail fossil]

why would nuking cabalist give me more dmg

[limber lion]

Wracking pain

[drifting cloud]

how is 370k only

the fuck

[frail fossil]

[frail fossil]

dishonest

[limber lion]

Next week 9k

[frail fossil]

HAHAHAHA CEV

[drifting cloud]

thats some wack assa cabalist living long

[frail fossil]

p sure they kill it with boosted

[limber lion]

Nah didn't have any today

Because they dipped

[frail fossil]

3 rogues btw

and u beating them all

[limber lion]

They payed us 10% before the boost, but they never showed up for the boost

[frail fossil]

[drifting cloud]

I have 380k

with 8.9k in p2

[frail fossil]

what did i do wrong in p2 then

i think i kinda forgot to bleed remornia

[limber lion]

Also have bis gear

Imagine having 233 weapons

couldn't be me

[frail fossil]

i mean all ryler's parse kinda ballin on sire

[limber lion]

I had a r1 parse coming up on Sire, but I died to the overlap

I literally went

[frail fossil]

🤝

[drifting cloud]

r1?

[limber lion]

I just tunneled on the boss, got hit by massacre and lost cheat death

[drifting cloud]

doubt

r1 parse is insane

unless you were getting pis

[frail fossil]

gonna ask amylake for PIs 100% ethical gamer

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, r1 non-pi ethical gamer only parse

[stoic needle]

I wish I had an on use trinket for sire

Using Phial and ooze just don't do

[frail fossil]

wait

how much is wracking pain dmg taken increase ?

[stoic needle]

50%?

[frail fossil]

oooooooh my DFV boutta HIT

[stoic needle]

[frail fossil]

next sire gotta be my redemption

[limber lion]

I died with 7.4k in the meter during overlap

[stoic needle]

I've lost the will to keep doing h sire for a 220

[limber lion]

And just popped Vendetta

and died right as I used it

Vendetta makes me tunnel and forget about everything else apparently

[drifting cloud]

depends how fast you finish him after I guess

[limber lion]

I mean he had 7% hp after overlap

[drifting cloud]

if my guild was capable of not inting p3 I could prolly do more dmg

[limber lion]

The nerf hit the boss super mega hard

[drifting cloud]

thank god for nerf

[limber lion]

Like it died just as he used blood price

[drifting cloud]

also havent vantused the boss in like 3 weeks lmao

[limber lion]

the nerf is insane

[drifting cloud]

yeah im not raiding till monday I think

will see then

[frail fossil]

wait did i had a vantus on me last kill

i didn't

[limber lion]

I'm sad we only killed 4 bossews

We would have killed all 10 if the boostee didn't ditch

I mean he gave us 550k in advance for the boost, but never showed up

Free money and a faster raid

[frail fossil]

why did u only kill 4

[shy axle]

how do you play HB on Sire ? just time the stacks with adds + maxstack on st? never ever played it

[limber lion]

Because no one in the guild needs anything

So we only kill Sire

[frail fossil]

u dont

[real solar]

just plat CT

play*

[limber lion]

We only kill the rest if we're boosting

[limber lion]

You just press it when the adds spawn in P1 and during P2/P3 you press it just when you're about to overcap

[velvet escarp]

When using Master Assassin, I see two variations in playstyles:

1. getting 4/5 CP then Vanish - Envenom - Mut - Envenom

2. Vanish - Mut - Envenom - Mut

Is there much of a difference in the overall dmg output? More envenom dmg Vs more CP generated

[limber lion]

Not really. You should just use it shortly after using both Vendetta and Shiv.

[stoic needle]

No there isn't much of a difference at all

I vanish into envenom because it's more fun

[velvet escarp]

If against 2 targets, do I also CT within the Master Assassin or Shiv window?

[limber lion]

You CT inside the Shiv window, but during MA you want to just Muti/Env

[velvet escarp]

Ok cool, thx both

[nimble tartan]

i feel that bro

[hollow river]

Envenoms inside all buffs at once windows is big fun

Buff windows at once*

[stoic needle]

When you vanish envenom a wracking pained add on sire

Vend > pot > Sbs > rup > gar > mut > shiv > vanish > envenom crit for like 30k

[limber lion]

what the fuck

[stoic needle]

you dont use vendetta and a pot on a named add in p2?

[limber lion]

Oh yeh I was thinking of Cabalists

But no, I don't pot

Just Vend

[stoic needle]

our rl tells us to pot on the adds so thats what I do

[limber lion]

Thought it was a bit of a troll move using all cds on cabalist

[stoic needle]

not sure if there's a better place for it

[limber lion]

Next level padding

[stoic needle]

yeah that would be huge troll lmao

[limber lion]

I just pot in p1 and p3

[stoic needle]

we dont always meet the p2 checks because of people dying so i think the pot in p2 might be more useful for progress sake

p1 is free

[plain thistle]

sire? I dont pot on p1

[stoic needle]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

1st or 2nd add?

if you pot 1st add and have dk lust it will be back, 2nd add youre not gonna get a good p3 pot

[stoic needle]

first

so if vend comes back up again in p2 do i just hold it?

[limber lion]

You're honestly fine just holding potion all the way until P3

[limber lion]

If you use it on the 2nd add, then yes.

Honestly, with the new timers you should probably just hold it regardless

[stoic needle]

yeah true

i have been going back and forth between vendettaing the first or second add and i cant really tell the difference xd

i'm always near top or top dps on both

[drifting cloud]

if the 2nd one dies without issues you should use on 1st

so you can just do it again in p2

unless youre smashing the dps check

[stoic needle]

yeah they seem to kinda melt regardless

[drifting cloud]

you can use on sword during 1st add aswell

[stoic needle]

our problem right now is people dying to massacres on the last 2

[limber lion]

I've just been using Vendettas the exact same way since day 1 of prog

On both guilds

Once in P1, once on Baron, twice in P3.

Vendetta is not really that great of a cooldown in comparison.

[hollow river]

Buff vendetta and make it on us instead of target 👍

[soft shale]

good change making rogue hate themselves for more damage

[limber lion]

Heh

[deep solstice]

"Fae is in the running for the worst legendary to exist." probably the best thing I have read in a pin in a while

[dawn ivy]

absolutely nothing in this ptr build for rogue

sadge

[tulip nacelle]

wdym ma got changed from 4.0 seconds to 4 seconds

[muted ridge]

Sylv dagger effect

(I hope nobody posted yet)

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's

something.

[limber swallow]

shadow damage.. is that their buff for sub?

[muted ridge]

I mean, looks interesting

[limber swallow]

Sure, it's probably a decent source of damage, kinda like Diver's Folly last expansion

[limber lion]

Yes, will definitely be a necessity to have.

[muted ridge]

But now ST only

[limber lion]

Vault weapons will not compare to this monster.

[drifting cloud]

yeah lol its free

youre not giving up stats

[muted ridge]

Also, imagine having 2 of them

[limber lion]

It's so dumb

Usually the weapon gives the effect but gets rid of the stats

Now it's just an extra buff

[limber swallow]

that's a good point.. I didn't even catch that it had stats

[limber lion]

We're fucked

[warm parcel]

it having stats doesnt mean theres not less of them

current denny onehander has that budget iirc

[drifting cloud]

it doesnt 😛

[warm parcel]

wasnt it 50/30

[drifting cloud]

50/20

[warm parcel]

o so its slighly more

[limber lion]

Yeah and 12 agility more

[drifting cloud]

lets see 2nd difference between normal and mythic dagger

ah stupid wep token in journal

[limber lion]

Weapon token in SoD?

Or current tier

[drifting cloud]

cn

I dont seem to know where you turn wep tokens in as necro

[balmy condor]

random dagger I boosted to 259

[drifting cloud]

yeah so its the same

[balmy condor]

yeh

[limber lion]

Yep

So we'll be rocking heroic sylvanas daggers throughout the entire 9.1 tier then

Cool, cool.

[stoic needle]

👀

[civic trellis]

https://gyazo.com/9c488ee4ab02bcc6f4e3ac4bcbef908f

What's the change with actual shiv?

[stoic needle]

none

[civic trellis]

XD

[strange python]

just tooltip

[civic trellis]

These devs

[dawn ivy]

shiv is perma dot

simple as

[balmy condor]

the rank 2 shiv actually getting a tooltip fix?

[limber lion]

We did NOT get any actual changes in these patch notes. It was all just change in wording and tooltips.

[balmy condor]

poggers

[limber lion]

Come back next week.

[civic trellis]

Lets go, great buff.

[hollow escarp]

ackhually, we did got a new slot to craft a legendary on

[muted ridge]

We got Dagger effect

🤓

[limber lion]

Who did?

[slow marsh]

We already knew about dagger effect tho i thought

[limber lion]

Definitely not #assassination

[slow marsh]

Just not the specifics

Which don't matter anyways cuz they'll likely be changed

[limber lion]

Ye, we already knew the Sylvanas dagger was going to be a stupid piece of equipment. Now we just got further confirmation.

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion do I just reroll warrior now that we’re nerfed?

[balmy condor]

huge change

[gusty mirage]

Necro dead confirmed?????

[hollow escarp]

now we can understand how the legendary works

[limber lion]

That's actually such a weird wording change.

Changing it from "Ability used from stealth" to "stealth ability" seems weird to me.

[gusty mirage]

It’s so much more clear now

[warm parcel]

likely makes garrote not consume it

[dawn ivy]

so we're getting even further execute from those daggers

[balmy condor]

blizzard just changes words to pad the patch notes

stay woke sheeple

[limber lion]

Yep

[low girder]

bugfix to not sometimes be a dmg loss maybe

[gusty mirage]

I’m still waiting for the ptr notes “lol raid utility? Fuck you” under rogue

[limber lion]

Garrote didn't consume it previously either.

[warm parcel]

it did

it attempted to silence no?

[balmy condor]

it silenced but didn't consume

[warm parcel]

[limber lion]

Yeh the ability is dumb and jank

Ambush consumed it

[edgy pawn]

is the sbs change a wording change or an actual buff/nerf?

[limber lion]

Everything is a change in wording.

[balmy condor]

no changes

[limber lion]

We didn't get any changes.

[edgy pawn]

aight, thanks 🙂

hopefully every legendary gets a third slot option

[stoic needle]

this means we have to recraft our legendaries regardless

[gusty mirage]

You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to

[edgy pawn]

yeah but if we get a third option, we might be able to use 5 gems and doomblasde

[stoic needle]

i have to go to college and get a job and pay taxes

[hollow escarp]

well, we can farm soul ash on alts now

[stoic needle]

but the problem is having to recraft it

[stoic needle]

i'd rather unsub

[odd hazel]

why do you have to recraft it

[stoic needle]

or play tbc

[gusty mirage]

You don’t even have to do that. Not paying taxes may land you in jail, but it doesn’t mean you have to

[stoic needle]

they're adding extra slots for the legendaries that have domination sockets in both of their currently available slots

not all of them yet

[gusty mirage]

Everything is a choice, embrace the universe and it’s fluidity

[hollow escarp]

idk why people hate torghast so much when islands were a thing

[stoic needle]

rogue only got blunderbuss

[odd hazel]

do we know the extra slot---- ah, so it wasnt even for doom

[limber lion]

?

Islands were not mandatory in any way

[stoic needle]

i don't hate torghast at all, i just hate being forced to spend ash on recrafting a legendary when blizzard could just lower the cap of gems or some other change that doesn't make me have to recraft

[limber lion]

AP levels did not increase your dps by several %

[stoic needle]

i want to craft new legendaries, not the same ones over again

[limber lion]

You got 2 of each stat from a single azerite level

That you had to grind 70 islands for

[hollow escarp]

they were the only "infinite" way to farm AP for unlocking azerite slots

[limber lion]

That was in no way necessary whatsoever

[gusty mirage]

But that FAT .4 dps

[limber lion]

Yeah, but you didn't have to farm them a ton to get everything open

[odd hazel]

i never did islands and did just fine Kojack

[limber lion]

The people who farmed after getting all slots open were

Some dudes actually got their necks to 100+ level

Which just blows my mind

[gusty mirage]

I feel personally attacked.

[limber lion]

There is no reason whatsoever to do that

[hollow escarp]

well, the 106 level guy got his longboi with stuff from islands

[gusty mirage]

I wasn’t that bad. I only got to like level 98

[dawn ivy]

102...

[hollow escarp]

you can still farm btw

the grind never ends

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-theoffice-dont-gif-7904750

[limber lion]

I did my weekly 3 islands every week

Similar to Torghast

Nothing extra was needed.

[stoic needle]

Some of the best transmog comes from islands

[gray marlin]

Isn't better to give domination sockets on legendary slots, then give only 1 choice out of 3 to make leggo

[limber lion]

Who knows.

We'll have to wait and see.

[odd hazel]

i mean

[limber lion]

If Balance Druid can craft their bis legendary on 5 different items

[odd hazel]

we could atleast farm soul ash to make another doom if we actually knew if we were getting a extra slot or not

[limber lion]

I think they have intentions on increasing the item counts for other legendaries and specs as well

[odd hazel]

tbh i was fine with switching to dashing

but they seem to like making things convoluted

[edgy pawn]

the venthyr legy looks decent too

[odd hazel]

nah

its garbo compared to what we have

except for sub

only good cov leggo is the necro one

[edgy pawn]

oh okay

[odd hazel]

i think from what people have said

the vers doesnt last as long as the haste??

or something like that

[tulip nacelle]

I feel offended

[limber lion]

I mean, if you were farming for mounts/transmogs/pets or just because you enjoyed it, then all the power to ya

But if you were farming it for power gain, then you're a

[tulip nacelle]

I did it mostly for ap

[odd hazel]

@limber lion why is the venth leggo bad again?

[stoic needle]

the best solution would be to make the cap of equippable gems one less than the number of slots that can possibly have domination sockets on them, or to make gear pieces with multiple slots

so that you can keep your legendary and still get the maximum number of gems

[tulip nacelle]

I was world top 100 heart level at some point

[stoic needle]

and not have to recraft anything

[stoic needle]

we don't have any spec mechanics that synergize with it. we don't have insane cp generation like sub or outlaw(to reliably hit 30 stacks), we don't have big cooldowns to sync with flag(vendetta+shiv+MA is not as big of a cd as shadow blades + shadow dance + symbols), and we don't get any extra benefits from the stats that obedience gives from the flag uptime( the haste gives sub more shadow techniques procs, which gives it more cp and energy, which lowers the CD of their shadow dance and creates a positive feedback loop)

[odd hazel]

osh with the knowledge

@edgy pawn a much more detailed reason why its not good

[edgy pawn]

ty

[odd hazel]

Speaking of the shadow technique procs, how many Shadow dances have they been able to get back thanks to it?

[stoic needle]

@shy dust would be better to answer that question than me

[hollow river]

I wonder if new affix will make everything ‘meta’ o.o

[stoic needle]

i haven't played a lot of ptr sub because i'm not venthyr

but apparently shadow dance uptime is much higher in general now

[dawn ivy]

i can buy the domination gems but cant slot them in

well done blizz

[wise fiber]

Do we use Elaborate planning on Sludge?

[tulip nacelle]

yes

[nimble tartan]

guys can i learn how to use necro sbs in one hour or is it hard pls respond

[stoic needle]

one must study the way of the bonespike for at least 69 hours before becoming proficient in the bonerlord arts

[slow marsh]

And 420 seconds

[short token]

stupid question, just going assass now after being outlaw the entire tier so far...where do i find the assass conduits? all i see are outlaw ones in my adventure guide even though i'm in assass spec

[balmy condor]

You can filter by spec in adventure guide

Probably have it set to outlaw

[short token]

yep, even when i do that

it only shows neutral conduits

not potency

[odd hazel]

are you looking in the right places?

[short token]

adventure guide i'm searching for loot off bosses in dungeons and raids

i'm seeing conduits, just none for any other spec besides outlaw, and my gear filter is set to assassination

[balmy condor]

I mean if it really doesn’t work

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/shadowlands-conduits-sources-drop-locations-ranks

[bronze belfry]

If you've been rogue for a while you probably have them already?

[balmy condor]

Could use that

[bronze belfry]

Theybarent spec specific for the drops

[balmy condor]

That too

[short token]

even at my forge i see nothing but conduits that apply for outlaw

[true pelican]

in forge you have to swap specs

you can only see your current spec

oh nvm

thinking of the wrong thing

[short token]

i'm in assass anyway

[stoic needle]

i doubt that you have zero sin conduits if you've played outlaw the whole tier

unless you just didn't do any content at all

[bronze belfry]

Maybe relog or something?

[stoic needle]

it doesnt really matter, because the only one you use anyway is sudden fractures/lashing scars

unless you're nf or kyrian

[short token]

i did faction change though

i'm NF

on the potency picture in the pins, there's a conduit that looks like a little green dagger...i do'nt see that in my forge

am i reading that wrong?

[stoic needle]

that icon is wrong

https://www.wowhead.com/item=183504/well-placed-steel?bonus=0:1485

[short token]

ohhh i've got that

it's lvl 200 tho 😦

[steel geyser]

some conduits icon are not up to date

[short token]

well there's the issue lol

i thought they were conduits i didn't have

[balmy condor]

To be fair Thats wowhead’s calculator

Just being stupid

[short token]

yeah they need to update....but also i see in the pin above it, it states the names of the conduits i just skipped over it

[pure moth]

But also at your forge it has spec icons on the right.

[short token]

while i have you here whispyr...i've been outlaw night fae, i'm very comfortable with outlaw, but i've always been a sin player at heart - i've killed mythic sire already, have faction changed and now moving forward as assassin. I want to cov change...but am torn between necro and venthyr. I can easily swap to outlaw for multiple target fights if i need...what would you suggest I do covenant wise?

[shy dust]

Necro is the more versatile option if you want to play assa and outlaw as of now

[short token]

i am leaning necro

[rapid stratus]

On sire prog im being assigned vendetta on duskhollow with the 2-2 strat, how bad is it fucking over my dps?

My second vendetta isnt coming till almost 4 minutes in

[warm parcel]

doesnt matter as you only ven once in p2

[rapid stratus]

even with the changes?

[warm parcel]

presumably

if youre progging

the nerf wont suddenly make p3 come 2 mins earlier

[rapid stratus]

aight yea, weve hit p3 once

[tulip nacelle]

afaik vendetta once p1 once p2 twice p3

[warm parcel]

ye thats the norm

[rapid stratus]

tyty

[short token]

in the opener, assuming we vanish within vendetta, do we try to vanish with full CP to envenom spam with MA? or do we vanish, mut, enven?

playing MA not subt

[stoic needle]

Doesn't matter which you do they're about the same damage overall