assassination

[limber lion]

But don't downplay Heroic, it's a perfect battlefield for practicing the spec!

[violet hemlock]

But isnt the global from stealth also int he MA window?

[worthy moth]

for mythic+ in general, assassination is crit or haste?

[limber lion]

Yes, but you always want to apply the dot to enemies as first priority.

[grand kiln]

Yeah absolutely i'm not trying to make fun of heroic. I jsut meant that its not mythic yet so some mistakes are still to be expected haha

[violet hemlock]

aaah k

[limber lion]

Critical strike for m+ generally.

[violet hemlock]

and am I basically just pooling and only reapplying on 3 stacks on pure st

[limber lion]

Yeah for sure and that's completely fine!

[worthy moth]

and raid?

[violet hemlock]

polling stacks that is

[worthy moth]

haste?

[limber lion]

You use all of SBS procs during Gemstone windows.

[limber lion]

For raids you should sim yourself. Generally haste/crit are the best stats.

[balmy condor]

cev you good homie

[limber lion]

I'm just about to hit the bed

[balmy condor]

was about to say

pumpin in spec channels after bed time

jesus

[violet hemlock]

so do I just sit at 3? or still ensure I dont cap on stacks

[grand kiln]

He's just doing the good work of helping us newbies on our journey haha

[limber lion]

1. Use to apply the dot
2. Use during Gemstone
3. Use to avoid capping

[violet hemlock]

k that makes sense

[limber lion]

Never sit at 3.

[balmy condor]

yeah cev's a good guy

[violet hemlock]

tho i dont have gemstone yet as I swapped today

[limber lion]

You can just use SBS during Shiv windows then. Just make sure to unlock Heirmir and Gemstones asap.

[limber lion]

[violet hemlock]

sad that outlaw and sin use the same soulbind

[limber lion]

It's not too bad - just don't play Outlaw. :p just kidding

But I think Outlaw players use Emeni more, but I'm not 100% on that.

Anyways, bed time now. Good night!

[violet hemlock]

sin is too hard in dungeons for me

im bad

[grand kiln]

Just so i understood the reason for pooling correct: The advantage of having pooled energy bevore using envenom is that we get to perform as many Mutilates as possible during the envenom buff?

Oh nvm good night i dont need an quick answer for this haha

[balmy condor]

it also just maximizes uptimes across the board

[grand kiln]

By uptimes you mean uptimes of the envenom buff itself?

[balmy condor]

envenom, ep, yeah

[grand kiln]

Oh of course EP! yeah now it all makes sense

[balmy condor]

like if you envenom right, and it's 5 seconds, and you have enough energy to slam another envenom 3.5 seconds later

then you slam that

that's wasted time on the buff

instead you could've just pooled on the buff

and then when everything drops, you send the envenom, and go again

[grand kiln]

That makes complete sense yeah thanks for the explanation

[violet hemlock]

No Whispy ur gonna make me have to redo my weakaura again

[balmy condor]

[violet hemlock]

it doesnt track that rn

[balmy condor]

what weakaura

you don't track energy?

[violet hemlock]

I have a weak aura I made myself

nah doesnt track envenom buff duration

[balmy condor]

that's fine

you don't have to track that

[violet hemlock]

I like making my own as it lets me know I understand the class enough to show the important stuff

also other ppls was dont work for me

[balmy condor]

plenty of people don't track envenom

[violet hemlock]

Tho its kinda clunky for sin rn as I made the outlaw one first

and I just kinda retrofitted it

[gloomy knoll]

it rarely comes up in these short farm kills tbh

[winter vapor]

meh thought i was doing ok in dps in mythic plus, monk comes along with a 24 key and is doing twice my dps

[gloomy knoll]

lust you can basically ignore it same with cd's so there's not a lot of places you actually need to extend envenom buffs

in speedy 3 min kills

[balmy condor]

sorry mr big dick

didn't realize I was the only one doing 7 min kills

[unkempt ginkgo]

is DD worth on SLG?

[balmy condor]

is what

[unkempt ginkgo]

daunting duelist

[balmy condor]

oh

not really no

it doesn't reset between the phases

so

[unkempt ginkgo]

its useless 1/3rd of the fight

yea

then for 2nd potency i guess PK seems to be the choice

[balmy condor]

would depend on your covenant

[wicked briar]

How do we best use MA in m+? Seems like a lot of it would be wasted while we garrote on opener

[balmy condor]

you can play NS with MA

but if you're playing subterfuge, you'd still do garrotes from stealth/vanish

[wicked briar]

Gotcha. With NS would the goal be to open with a full cp tempest?

[compact pumice]

Yeah, so MFD fits really well with it

on ❤️ targets you snap a full CP rupture instead

< 3

[wicked briar]

Cool cool, thanks

[balmy condor]

you kinda have to play MFD if you're going NS

not really optional

you'll struggle to get CP before packs without it

[compact pumice]

Seliathan did a DS build where you would save 6 cp from the previous packs

I'm not saying it's better, but that it's an alternative build

But you're kind of fucked if you forget to save it. When I tried it I kept forgetting and just playing normally

[balmy condor]

holding CP at the end of packs is awful

[wicked briar]

Yeah sounds like a pain to try and save full cp every pack. I’ll try out NS/MfD and just the normal subterfuge and see which I prefer

[balmy condor]

according to sims

like you're actually better off just playing subterfuge

if you are going to play NS without MFD

[wicked briar]

I do like mfd gaming on pirate spec so maybe that’d be fun on sin also

[balmy condor]

it's better to actually play normally and not save cp at the end of packs

[compact pumice]

Somehow it feels really different, dunno why

[odd hazel]

tbh, MFD feels awful as sin

[compact pumice]

I'll gladly play MFD as OL but never do it as Sin unless I'm doing the NS/MFD/CT strat, which I never do now when I've gotten a Zoldyck at r4

I do in torghast though

NS MFD CT is the best in Torghast unless you like going Sub (which I don't)

[odd hazel]

just stealth and blow up the bosses tbh

[compact pumice]

NS with the SBS powers makes you like crit 300k from stealth, goes pretty quick then

[odd hazel]

meh, just stealthing through and nuking the boss did fine for me

[severe sparrow]

can i get a double check on offensives i need to track? if im 3312321, other than vanish/slice n dice/covenant ability, i wanna track garrote/rupture on targets, blindside procs, shiv, and vendetta? i deleted all my weak auras from the last time i played sin lol

[balmy condor]

if you're just 3310021 then blindside procs, vanish/vendetta/cov ability/shiv cooldowns, rupture/garrote/slice

could track envenom uptime as well if you'd like

trinket cooldowns

energy/combo points obviously

other than that good to go

[severe sparrow]

yeah just the sin specific stuff. figured i should go back to it for at least st stuff. thanks

[manic pebble]

why does monk's Vivify breaks my stealth?

[balmy condor]

you're using theotar shield

[stoic needle]

rather have lethal poisons because you spend a large portion of the fight mut and not fok

[pallid jay]

Does anyone have a plater script that changes the nameplate colour based on rupture/garrote being active?

I've tried this one but it bugs out at the start of combat

https://wago.io/SjNdxsbUy

It should be green when you're missing rup, pink when you're missing garrote, and blue when it's both

But iin the opener it just changes to blue after just garrote

[shut garnet]

how many targets do u just never bother pressing snd on btw?

with ep vigor ct

[compact pumice]

You should keep it up from before and prioritize Envenom when it's dropping

[balmy condor]

yeah

shouldn't ever drop

if it does just recast it

[shut garnet]

even on say, a pack of 5 in m+?

[stoic needle]

yep

[balmy condor]

even on a pack of 30

[shut garnet]

ic ic, woulda thought once you rupture like 3-4T the energy benefit of it is kinda useless

[compact pumice]

I'm confused. Rupture would give you energy back but SND would not really

[balmy condor]

snd doesn't give energy?

that got removed in 9.0.5

[shut garnet]

time to read my abilities i guess

its been a while

[compact pumice]

SND is 50% attack speed. And it's pretty much free to keep up.

[balmy condor]

you just cast it at the start of the dungeon, precast it if you have cp before the key

and then envenom to keep it up

[pallid jay]

my sim is telling me to run 2x lightless force

[compact pumice]

It might be better for Assa, but feels bad for Outlaw since you're always standing in the middle of everything due to BF instead of lining up to have the mobs in front.

[unkempt ginkgo]

i chose PK cuz my FoK dmg was higher than my LP dmg on my longer pulls

but idk

[stoic needle]

sounds like you're FOK too much

[compact pumice]

Sinful Revelation is pretty meh on multitarget so I can see LLF being paired with Celestial Guidance

[unkempt ginkgo]

could you take a look at some of my logs?

[stoic needle]

think about it this way, any time you're generating with mut you aren't getting value from PK. whereas you get value from LP nearly the whole fight, and they sim about the same so

[unkempt ginkgo]

yes it makes sense

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3dp96RTr4qajmJyC

hmmk i just looked at the ones today, it LP is more dmg even when im using PK

ill make that change next raid day

anyways my damage just feels really low regardless

[compact pumice]

I haven't seen a survival hunter in a raid before!

[unkempt ginkgo]

shes #1 in stormrage

[balmy condor]

#1 out of 1?

sorry toxic

but like how many survival hunters are there

[unkempt ginkgo]

on some fights, yes

[balmy condor]

y i k e s

[unkempt ginkgo]

30 on stormrage

for mythic

[spice spire]

21 SV have downed SD on mythic

[compact pumice]

59 surv hunters have been to a Sludge Mythic kill

Well that public logs

[idle sinew]

Any decent sin rogues want to go over my logs with me? 86 avg through mythic slg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/50892386

have some questions

new to rogue

[balmy condor]

looks fine to me

nothing majorly wrong

couple % of uptime could be improved, a shiv cast missed every now and then

biggest thing is that you're overcapping a lot on mutilate

that's a big no no

also overcapping on ambush sometimes

also a big no no

[idle sinew]

what do you mean by overcapping on it

like not using it immediately?

[balmy condor]

no like mutilate gives 2 cp

and you're wasting cp

it looks like you're not finishing on 4

or 5 with deeper

are you forcing 6cp every finisher?

[idle sinew]

yes

[balmy condor]

yeah don't do that

with deeper we finish on 5

generate on 4, finish on 5

[compact pumice]

Also don't FOK on full CP

especially since you only FOK on 4 or more targets, which means Seal Fate is even more likely so you're losing more than just that 1 CP from FOK

[balmy condor]

what fight did he fok on max?

I'm not seeing that

[compact pumice]

I checked all wipes

Hm

[balmy condor]

I'm looking at kills

and there's basically no overcap on fok

seems fine to me

[compact pumice]

Wipe 1/2 I think

Hmm on that log I'm not seeing any kills

Oh wait

I'm looking at the guy aboves log lo

lol

[idle sinew]

ok so I want to spend on 5cp almost always?

[compact pumice]

Both wanted a check at the same time

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

you never want to generate when you're 1 from max

if you're playing DS and you're at 5, you don't cast a generator

ever

[idle sinew]

ok makes sense

[compact pumice]

read what both me and whispyr wrote about spending CP above, both of it fits your logs

or rather overcapping on CP

[unkempt ginkgo]

well sometimes im on like 3 CP and i FOK

[idle sinew]

also is it important to cast flag before rupture on the opener or not

[unkempt ginkgo]

and i guess i overcap there

[compact pumice]

no no

I'm saying youre max CP

[arctic walrus]

he asked for decent rogues

[compact pumice]

And using FOK

[balmy condor]

[arctic walrus]

get infexious on the line

[balmy condor]

who failed the vita

[compact pumice]

Overcap by FOK is only possible if you are already at max CP, otherwise it would go under the Seal Fate category

But the Mutilate overcapping is a lot more regular

[unkempt ginkgo]

yea im looking through the wipes, and it looks like it only happened once soo far

[idle sinew]

also is it important to cast flag before rupture on the opener or not

[balmy condor]

it's important to cast flag when you're at 5cp

[compact pumice]

Yeah 6 times, 5 times on wipe 1 and once on wipe 2

But anyway just make sure you're spending cp at max CP -1, 5 with DS 4 with Vigor

[unkempt ginkgo]

wait so overcap with seal fate is bad

[compact pumice]

Overcap without counting seal fate is bad

Overcapping with seal fate will happen to some degree but we don't play around that

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3dp96RTr4qajmJyC#type=resources&source=216&boss=2417&difficulty=5&wipes=1&spell=104

Ideally this should only list wasted on shiv and seal fate pretty much.

[unkempt ginkgo]

yea that makes sense

[balmy condor]

13 on mutilate across a whole night?

that's actually not bad

usually we see people with 13 in a single pull

[unkempt ginkgo]

I guess it could also be our strat too

lowering DPS

[weak copper]

Yo! I'm having some trouble performing on Council in mythic as an assassination Rogue

[gloomy fern]

just hit boss, be happy

[weak copper]

Its literally just ST right?

[compact pumice]

Nah, keep bleeds up on one other target, both bleeds (and poison). it will increase prio target damage

that's pretty much it though

[weak copper]

Okay, that sounds super simple

So its a net dps gain to have increased energy regen for having bleed cycles on two targets

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[pliant flare]

bone spike all 3 for the funnies :^)

[compact pumice]

You are fully energy saturated with 5 bleeds, but it can be a bit annoying to both do and keep up on council

[limber lion]

You definitely should keep bonespike on all 3, but only keep bleeds up on one extra target.

[weak copper]

Yeah I mean, I can imagine I don't want to go out of my way to maintain them, cause that would be losing out on a bunch of autos and such

[compact pumice]

autos proc poison, so that's all good

[weak copper]

Bonespike huh 😛 I'm still a Venthyr atm

[limber lion]

Venthyr is fine.

[weak copper]

Alright well, this should help me a bunch

thanks for the feedback

[limber lion]

Good luck buddy!

[lucid scroll]

which covenant is better for sin rogue necro or venthyr?

[limber lion]

They're both good. Venthyr for more ST and parse cheesing, Necrolord for AoE/M+

Necrolord is generally the best covenant for most.

[opaque mauve]

If theres a second target will necro be better ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[opaque mauve]

i choose the wrong one then , not many raid fights with 1 anymore 😛

[limber lion]

A lot of people swapping from Venthyr to Necrolord. I've been both twice now, but sticking to Necrolord for now.

At least swapping is pretty easy, just gotta farm renown and do the campaign once :)

[terse talon]

Bonespike is funnier that flag 😄

then*

[limber lion]

Agreed

[versed mica]

I love the cosmetics for venthyr tho :< But I feel behind if I'm not necro, esp since I use M+

Makes me wish we had sims for the new soulbind stuff, I'm interested if venthyr will do a little bit better in aoe

I wonder if the new venth soulbind "fatal flaw" will make venthyr a little closer to necrolord in M+

20% of crit or vers for 10 seconds sound p nice

[limber lion]

Definitely not, the new Necrolord legendary makes the gap even larger 😅

[terse talon]

bah just go nighthold mythic set then you have the greatest look

[versed mica]

But how much larger? I need my sims damnit

[balmy condor]

It’s like 1.5% over zold

[versed mica]

Eh, could be worse I guess

[velvet escarp]

does anyone here do log reviews? I'm still learning how to play Assa didn't do well on Sludge 😔 would really appreciate if someone could give me some pointers!

[balmy condor]

Yeah me and cev do quite a few

[velvet escarp]

Sweet! Here's my log for the kill: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cqp8nZ1AQVLvaktg#type=damage-done&source=17&fight=6

[dawn ivy]

gotta pay em first though

they only accept compliments

[versed mica]

@balmy condor I'm assuming since sims for 9.1 stuff hasn't been posted yet, that you guys don't have all the covenant sins done?

[balmy condor]

I accept undying loyalty and the blood of the unborn

[balmy condor]

Correct

[velvet escarp]

I know I missed a use of Skulkers on Pillar 3 (fml, was panicking lol), and energy capped a bit near 4th pillar. Also messed up my phantom fire. But regardless, I still feel like there's something I'm not doing right mechanically

[balmy condor]

Soulbinds aren’t fully in

[dawn ivy]

we still have at least 3 ptr builds to see with potential fixing of soulbinds/new conduits

[versed mica]

I'm just going mad crazy not knowing how some of them work

Like theotars party favors trait, wtf is that?

Like you get a buff once a day and you die and lose it, that's it?

[dawn ivy]

i dont think you lose it after death

but you do only get 1 i think

[balmy condor]

It’s like a flask

[versed mica]

Huh. How long does it last? Is there a CD to prevent fishing for a specific buff?

[dawn ivy]

1 hour?

[versed mica]

1 hour flask for an entire day seems bad lmao

[balmy condor]

It’s quite a strong effect when it’s active

[versed mica]

Surely, but on weekends I do M+ for a couple hours and then do raid for a couple hours

1 hour ain't gonna last me for the day, making it useless

[grand kiln]

So while I'm Venthyr myself I'm interested in Necrolord. I did understand Bone Spikes to be a great tool for AoE, but what role does it take in a single target boss encounter? Is it used to fill in combopoints in a more controlled manner or what is the proper usage here?

[limber lion]

No, we just dump all of the charges during Heirmir's gemstone proc windows.

[grand kiln]

Well this is less sophisticated than i expected but i guess it makes sense^^

[limber lion]

Yep. It's pretty bland in single target but it gets pretty interesting the more targets you add with the increased combo point gain, resets etc.

[grand kiln]

Tbf i wouldnt describe Flagellation as absolutely insanity fun times, but maybe i have gotten used to the haste windows it provides so i won't feel what I'm missing until i actually switch to try something different

Its just that with Flagellation i feel like i have a different role during m+ trash aka. the one who aoes but still focuses one vital mob

[limber lion]

Yeah, Flag isn't exactly a very grand ability. It's very fire-and-forget -esque

But yeah, it is a lot more burst and allows for more priority damage most of the time.

[peak bobcat]

How good is Deathspike supposed to be in raiding? Would it pull ahead of DB on 2 targets ?

And then how would it compare to ZI on cleave fights anyways. I haven’t read much into it just curious.

[odd hazel]

its about 5% ahead on cleave fights if i remember correctly. and yes--- it puts a dot on a target next to it. so you would be hitting both in gemstone windows

its better then Zold

[tulip nacelle]

it's good in aoe, don't think it would win on 2t

[odd hazel]

i mean

true, i dont know about 2t 100%

but i think it would be good and not to far behind

[tulip nacelle]

like I don't have the numbers, but it need a lot of targets imo

[frail fossil]

first deathspikes needs 3 targets

[odd hazel]

it needs 3?

[frail fossil]

yes

[odd hazel]

Oof. didnt know that

[stoic needle]

Wdym

[odd hazel]

osh

what is this new profile picture that last one was 100%

[tulip nacelle]

well it hits 3 targets with one cast

so it's at it best on at least 3

[stoic needle]

Imagine not having watched Castlevania

[frail fossil]

if u have 2 target, one of the 3 bone spike is cast on the same target as one ?

[stoic needle]

Nah it just casts 2

[tulip nacelle]

yea

[frail fossil]

yeah right

so u need 3 target

[stoic needle]

Dude imagine if all 3 hit one target

[frail fossil]

at least

[stoic needle]

That's how it should be

[frail fossil]

just wanted to make sure cuz i spent 0 time on ptr

[tulip nacelle]

I think deahtspike strength is that it increases the reset value so so much

[frail fossil]

but deathspike will most likely not be the best in 2t

[stoic needle]

I don't think it will either

[odd hazel]

it depends if that 2nd target dies i think

[frail fossil]

no

[tulip nacelle]

no way

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip nacelle]

2t is not enough

[stoic needle]

Doomblade wins on 2t by just basically pumping one target

[tulip nacelle]

it is nearly a 0 dps gain on st

[odd hazel]

no no, doomblade is dead. dashing osh

[frail fossil]

[stoic needle]

You can say that in another month or so

[odd hazel]

[stoic needle]

Ptr build when

[odd hazel]

toxic blade is gonna be OP

with mastery build osh

[frail fossil]

[peak bobcat]

I find that extremely hard to believe

[tulip nacelle]

[stoic needle]

[odd hazel]

[stoic needle]

The mastery council does not condone nor endorse this idea

[frail fossil]

[odd hazel]

[limber lion]

I went afk for 10 minutes

And the mastery memes have filled the cchat

[frail fossil]

u know who it is

[odd hazel]

[stoic needle]

It's not even my fault

[frail fossil]

[tulip nacelle]

It's always your fault

[stoic needle]

Fuck y'all

[odd hazel]

LOLOL

[frail fossil]

[odd hazel]

getting osh in trouble is the best thing. and sending him 226 gloves

[fallen arch]

Stop trolling about mastery while it’s still my highest secondary

[stoic needle]

[odd hazel]

[stoic needle]

[frail fossil]

[odd hazel]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but the dif is you’re not doing it on purpose

[toxic tusk]

How's everyone doing!

[craggy oak]

So its not a meme, there are those who stack mastery? Why?

[silent fossil]

[manic pebble]

why does regrowth and vivify break my stealth?

it's so weird

[plain thistle]

theotar soulbind

the bottom left one, I dont remember the name

[limber lion]

Token of Appreciation

Never use double potency on Theotar.

[manic pebble]

ah I see

[sacred isle]

Because the other leather users are trying to kill you and loot your corpse

[manic pebble]

it's kinda stupid tbh

[sacred isle]

It’s probably not intentional design

[limber lion]

Sure is.

But it's still worse than Wasteland

So there's literally no reason to ever run double potency

Even if it did function properly.

[craggy oak]

This for raid?

[indigo mulch]

I mean 9.1 we can run double potency for raid 😄

[limber lion]

You should never run double potency for PvE.

[gusty mirage]

yeah our potency conduits kinda suck

[thorny pond]

What slot for dashing ?

[odd hazel]

Cloak I believe

[thorny pond]

mucho gratzi

[limber lion]

It's boots. At least for now.

[thorny pond]

based on sockets next patch?

[modest raptor]

What would be the lowest ilvl to attempt layer 8 torghat? just hit 60 today so i was wondering if its even worth it to try b4 reset. Im necrolord if that helps

[thorny pond]

Get a group

[modest raptor]

is scaling better in grp than solo? cause i dont see anyone taking undergeared rogue in

[thorny pond]

Start your own mate

It fills fast

[modest raptor]

fair enough, ive always been running solo so i guess i can give it a try, thanks

[limber lion]

You can solo it at any level, but you just need to be patient when clearing. Can't just zoom to the last boss.

[modest raptor]

thanks

[gleaming tiger]

hi guys on afenar wa under skills there is a bar not cast bar sometimes it count downs what is that

well it count downs from 5 when i use envenom i tried it

[dawn ivy]

its your envenom uptime

[gleaming tiger]

well couldnt find that bar

@jolly shore i already did it

when i do it there is no that bar 😄

[craggy oak]

What do we run as venth m+ then, i was under the impression we ran flag conduit and katar conduit

[limber lion]

No, you run Wasteland.

Where did you hear that you run PK?

Nadja double potency is similar in power to Wasteland, but Wasteland is the preferred choice because Thrill Seeker is bad and sims don't account for Wasteland's versatility that you team gets as a whole.

[dawn ivy]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[dawn ivy]

i always use the wrong one

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[dawn ivy]

@gleaming tiger

wait whats the damned command for explaining ambush versus mut

[odd hazel]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[dawn ivy]

^^^^^

[tropic ocean]

if it aint this, its not from afenar package

might have another weak aura installed that tracks it or smth

[limber lion]

It is the envenom tracker.

[amber mountain]

The more time i spend in here, the more I realize I'm running really light on addons and WA's

[limber lion]

That's completely fine, you don't need crazy setups to do well

[odd hazel]

tbh, i dont even use any WA's so you good

Elvui/Platers has been plenty for me.

[thorny lion]

Guys can I cloak or evasion the knockback from Sire? Or do i have to move/step any meele so ima live after everything overlapps in p3?

[odd hazel]

you can cloak the knockback

but

[thorny lion]

Thanks

[drifting cloud]

not on mythic

[odd hazel]

oh?

why cant you on mythic?

[drifting cloud]

I dont know it just doesnt work

[odd hazel]

weird.

[thorny lion]

So i have to step

[odd hazel]

Sadly friend, sorry

[stoic needle]

Step to a DK

[thorny lion]

Na ww monk

[stoic needle]

Cloak and run into the old massacre and step to someone safe

[thorny lion]

Yeah

[drifting cloud]

you dont need step if you do that

if you run into it far enough

just have to be careful if you get orb that youll still drop it on a good spot

[thorny lion]

If i cloak do i drop the Orb Instant ?

[limber lion]

No

[thorny lion]

Thanks

[ornate lake]

anybody knows what sim is closest to mythic SLG? hectic add cleave 3-5 targets? dungeon slice?

[south geode]

how does assa look for Pve content in 9.1?

[odd hazel]

Tbh I always forget cloak auto drops the pride debuff

[sullen hollow]

good

[odd hazel]

Better then now.

[south geode]

Bless up

[sullen hollow]

i am just wondering if the covenant is gonna change

or if venthyr will be bis for st still

[limber lion]

2 Target HecticAddCleave is probably the closest you'll get with the default sims.

[odd hazel]

Nah they stay the same except necro gets stronger

[south geode]

yeah rn im getting all the coves to 40 to kill time and so im ready

[limber lion]

But you still do need to take it with a grain of salt

[sullen hollow]

if necro gets stronger, it will overrule venth by the small bit

[odd hazel]

Yes but necro gets stronger. It’ll be even better for M+ and adds

[odd hazel]

Venth will stay on top ST wise. Necro only wins when more then one target comes in

[ornate lake]

Cheers cev

[sullen hollow]

do i go necro or venth then

hmm

venth

because i pvp too

🙂

[odd hazel]

What are you gonna prioritize

[limber lion]

Probably Necrolord.

[sullen hollow]

all of them

pvp

m+

raid

[limber lion]

Then go Necrolord.

Necrolord is the best covenant for all around play.

[odd hazel]

Tbh as much as I love venth there’s just so much content that’s better for necro

And with the leggo it just gets better

[sullen hollow]

what leggo

necro leggo?

😛

[odd hazel]

The necro CoV leggo

[limber lion]

The new covenant legendary, Deathspike

In 9.1

[sullen hollow]

yikes

ok

i guess i gotta go necro

[odd hazel]

Cleaves the dot onto 2 other targets and 2 additional charges

[limber lion]

Necro is just the superior choice

[sullen hollow]

wtf

[limber lion]

Unless you're looking to parse

[sullen hollow]

cleaves dot on 2 other

and total 5 charges?

thats

monka, + you get the charge back when the target dies

[limber lion]

Yes

It's great for m+

[odd hazel]

It procs off blade furry too if you’re outlaw

So it’s kind of silly

[sullen hollow]

i try and not play outlaw when i can avoid it haha

sub and assa fine

but i just really dont find outlaw that fun

[odd hazel]

Yeah it just makes the leggo kind of dumb strong

It’s like

[limber lion]

Yeah, don't play Outlaw if you don't want to.

[odd hazel]

5% better then zold

[limber lion]

I never play it

[cerulean nest]

i've been holding off committing to an alt for too long. which classes would be the most fun to play after maining rogue? (besides feral)

[sullen hollow]

monk

[odd hazel]

What kind of play style do you want

Slow? Fast ? Builder ?

[cerulean nest]

i really like the energy + combo points but I would be down to try something new. i just dont love slower playstyles

[willow eagle]

Fury warrior

[odd hazel]

Fury yeah

[limber lion]

Yeah, warrior is a good choice.

[odd hazel]

Carpel tunnel play style

[willow eagle]

Fun button bash spec

[limber lion]

Monk and Havoc are fun as well.

[gusty mirage]

if you want combo points + energy style then monk

[cerulean nest]

I've also literally never played a ranged spec lmao

which are the most fun there?

[gusty mirage]

otherwise havoc or fury warrior would cure that itch

if you want something that's dot maintenance like assa, affi lock

[gleaming condor]

gearing a rogue alt for 9.1 - is doomblade still bis ST and should it still go on gloves..?

[gusty mirage]

boomie's pretty fun with their 2 buttons for 553948583498 damage

[odd hazel]

Yes

Well

[cerulean nest]

yeah I was thinking boomkin too. seems like a good one to just have around in general

[odd hazel]

We don’t know for 9.1 but right now the answer is yes

[gleaming condor]

gotcha thanks

[gusty mirage]

max level druid is also a great alt to have

you can heal, tank, melee, and range

[sacred isle]

Elemental shaman 🙂

[gusty mirage]

super versatile

[cerulean nest]

yeah I mained feral during BFA (fml) so i have experience there

[worthy moth]

for assassination

ventyr or necro? (M+)

[gusty mirage]

necro.,

[odd hazel]

Necro

[worthy moth]

wtf why

im running ventyr all the time

[sacred isle]

Does more dmg

[odd hazel]

Venth is fine

[gusty mirage]

if only there was something that showed this

[odd hazel]

But necro is better damage over all

[gusty mirage]

and it was easily located somewhere

like someone could pin it in the channel

[worthy moth]

idk man...

[odd hazel]

Venth is fine but, it’s good for priority damage and burst on bosses. Necro is better for trash packs

[worthy moth]

theres something diferent on necro soulbinds?

[gusty mirage]

if only

there was something

that showed the damage difference between them

[limber lion]

^ These sims are actually quite outdated

And Necrolord is quite a bit higher than what's shown here

[cerulean nest]

is boomkin getting nerfed as hard as ppl are saying it is

[worthy moth]

well im waiting for 9.1

if necro still good

ill reroll necro

[gusty mirage]

not really, it'll still be really good

[sacred isle]

No it’s not as big as boomkins are complaining

[gusty mirage]

necro will be bis for m+

so if you're waiting for 9.1 to reroll

reroll now

close enough to venthyr in ST where it doesn't matter

and is immediately better the moment a 2nd add shows up

[willow eagle]

Mage

[gusty mirage]

and there are like 3 ST fights next tier.

[willow eagle]

You have everything as that class

So much big play potential

[gusty mirage]

with the perks of never being terrible because at least one of your specs will be busted

[cerulean nest]

yeah boomkin and mage are the two im considering

[sacred isle]

Except for fun 🙂

[gusty mirage]

frost is pretty fun

[willow eagle]

Idk I find mage fun

[odd hazel]

Frost is my fav mage spec

[sacred isle]

That’s because it’s similar to outlaw 😉

[cerulean nest]

which spec is bis right now? fire still?

[odd hazel]

I hate outlaw so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[willow eagle]

Yeah fire

[odd hazel]

I mean

All of them are good

[willow eagle]

But frost is good

[odd hazel]

Arcane can do really well too

[willow eagle]

Problem is

Arcane moves

Arcane loses a lot of damage

[cerulean nest]

how steep is the learning curve compared to boomy

[odd hazel]

Boomy

Learning curve ?

[cerulean nest]

I see lmao

[willow eagle]

Fire mage has a layer of mastery

[odd hazel]

Fire mage is just getting your combust windows down

[sacred isle]

Dps rotation on mages is quite simple. It’s more about using ure utility to minimise downtime

[heady elbow]

Zoldrycks is still BiS for assa m+ yeah?

[odd hazel]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

hmmmm

tough decisions here

whats the best mage race? belf again?

[odd hazel]

Ew

Don’t say that race here

[cerulean nest]

i know

[odd hazel]

I mean

Yeah that I think

[cerulean nest]

goblin for the memes?

[limber lion]

Troll is the best race for mages.

[limber lion]

For now, might be changing in 9.1

[cerulean nest]

og troll?

[limber lion]

Yes, because of Berserking

[cerulean nest]

Makes sense

[gusty mirage]

The journey to top 3 on server continues

[heady elbow]

danke for the info ❤️

only just started trying it in dungeons cause running PF over and over and over gets boring as outlaw after a while kek

[gusty mirage]

Got a 20 dos, 21 spires, and a 19 top up to bat today

[wind dune]

ive spent 4 hours last 2 days in que trying to get into 20's already have 3 timed too.. and the rest 19. shits so rough with no group

will get insta accepted into a 19 though

[gusty mirage]

yea I stumbled into a group and got more IO than I've gotten in the last 2 months

[limber lion]

That reminds me that I need to do my weekly Torghast and weekly keys

[gusty mirage]

get blizz to remove region locks so we can game together

[cerulean nest]

alright, mage it is

[limber lion]

I wish :'(

[marsh ridge]

What stats do the CN weapons give for rouges?

[odd hazel]

Haste/vers and crit/mastery

[marsh ridge]

which is which?

[odd hazel]

sire drops the haste/vers

[marsh ridge]

cool, thanks.

[hollow river]

Is there a way to top gear my m+ gear at a higher ilvl from upgrades?

Or would I just use droptimizer

[odd hazel]

droptimizer ye

can do every item at 226. but you have to sim each dungeon seperately unless you have the Raidbot plus

[hollow river]

Well I want to sim the items I have at 213

[odd hazel]

yeah, you can do that

[hollow river]

Finally got my last +10 done

But it’s dungeon by dungeon still?

[odd hazel]

if you want to do specifically your gear. just do gear compare and type in all your items at 213

sorry, misread

[hollow river]

True

Might end up being multiple sims

Do you have a higher iteration cap with sub to raidbots?

[limber lion]

I mean you can sim every single dungeon item in one batch

[hollow river]

I know you jump the line but the iterations limit gear choice to like 300,000 iterations etc

[limber lion]

Yes you get a higher iteration cap with premium

[hollow river]

figured as much just couldn't find anything where it stated the benefits of premium

thanks boiz. finally gonna have a 213 OH with my MH as rng hates me and i haven't gotten anything higher

[limber lion]

DM me your /simc string and I'll sim it for you

[hollow river]

O:

one second

how much is premium?

[stoic needle]

raidbots premium is worth it for droptimizer alone

[limber lion]

There's 3 different versions. Rare at $3, Heirloom at $5 and Epic at $10

The only thing different in the site is the iteration cap

[stoic needle]

i used rare for a while but hit the iteration cap every sim

[limber lion]

1.8M, 5.5M and 15M respectively

[stoic needle]

so i have heirloom now

but now thats not enough either =/

[slow marsh]

i wouldnt even want to run keys that high without a group. doesnt seem fun

[hollow river]

O.O

[limber lion]

Yeah, I use Heirloom. I rarely need a higher iteration cap

[stoic needle]

its incredibly easy to hit the limits when you are simming gems and enchants(which you should) and muliple talents together with different gear peices

[hollow river]

@limber lion i sent you my simc with me wearing my dungeon gear

[limber lion]

Yeah but at that point a single item will like quintuple the iteration requirement where even epic isn't enough

5M iteration by simming 2 gems, simming a 3rd one will increase it to like 28m

[hollow river]

o.o wtf

[limber lion]

But yeah, for normal users the heirloom should be enough. Just gotta do several sims if you want to sim every single combination possible.

[hollow river]

jumping the line would help a lot too though

[limber lion]

What ilvl did you want to sim the dungeon gear at?

[hollow river]

every sim i do takes like 3-5min

213 is best i can upgrade to atm

[limber lion]

And no sockets?

[hollow river]

yeah no xD

[limber lion]

Well, even if you had Ven'ari open I wouldn't recommend socketing them lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aeUQftivP1eASsSZ9znFXc

[hollow river]

yeah not at this low ilvl lol

[limber lion]

This'll be finished in a bit

[hollow river]

O: you the man ty

[limber lion]

Looks like the neck from HoA is a biggie :p

I'll sim it at 220 as well for future reference.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mbT3k7gAEY9KWXXnkrgA1X

Here's the sim at 220. Looks like the HoA neck is still pretty huge, so a great choice to go for even further down the line

[silent fossil]

hoa neck slaps for me over the crit vers one too

[junior wren]

when ur going into a pack, whats the first thing you spend your combo points on?

[tulip nacelle]

ct

[balmy condor]

depends on the size of the pack and where in the dungeon you are

first pack of the dungeon? most likely snd

pack of 2? rupture

bigger than 2? CT

[hollow river]

a true man of culture. thanks a ton

[crisp ledge]

Anyone know how to find the SimC ID for sudden fractures conduit?

[balmy condor]

you can just use the name

sudden_fractures:7 would give you a rank 7

[crisp ledge]

Works 👌 ty sir

[indigo mulch]

Eyyy finally got sire down.

[limber lion]

Grats!

[indigo mulch]

a strong 35 parse 😦

kekw

[odd hazel]

Grats! especially if mythic.

[red bloom]

ggz

[pallid jay]

What's the best way to keep track of rupture in aoe?

a nameplate solution or a wa solution?

[limber lion]

Nameplates.

You should make sure to have a good nameplate-setup. A lot of people use Plater, but there's other addons and solutions. You can find a bunch of profiles from wago.io for all of your needs.

Or you can just make a profile yourself.

[pallid jay]

I'm trying to find a nameplate colour changing one for rup/garrote but that one is kind of broken

[stoic needle]

this mod is built into plater by default, you can do it with that

[limber lion]

Elvui does that very well and JustRuss has a guide for it.

Or you can use mods like Osh posted above

[indigo mulch]

I need to sort my nameplates for aoe someday

It shows way to much unecessary crap

[limber lion]

Yeah, would highly recommend blacklisting the unnecessary clutter

[indigo mulch]

Aye

[limber lion]

Here's my plater profile for inspiration

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

Those are literally the only things I track, nothing else

Garrote, Rupture, CT, Deadly Poison and SBS

[indigo mulch]

Nothing else needs to be tracked though lol

[limber lion]

Yep.

[indigo mulch]

I'm so tempted to jump to necro now that i'm done with progress

[limber lion]

Do it.

[indigo mulch]

How much of a dps loss is it on ST?

[balmy condor]

like 50

[indigo mulch]

lol

[balmy condor]

maybe 100 if you're unlucky

[indigo mulch]

Why i'm i running venthyr 😦

i crai

How much of a dps increase is it on 2+ targets compared to vampbois?

[odd hazel]

a lot

a LOT

[indigo mulch]

Yeah figured 😐

[limber lion]

Maldraxxus is definitely the place to be.

[gusty mirage]

because they have the best covenant tmog ever

[indigo mulch]

I mean i actually bought it all 😄

So i can xmog all i want now!

big

[limber lion]

Not if you swap covenants.

[indigo mulch]

Wait, you can't use the bought ones? D:

[gusty mirage]

nope

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

Can't represent the other covenant

[gusty mirage]

the covenant specific mounts + tmogs "stay" but are only usable if you're that covenant

[indigo mulch]

But i really like all the frilly daggers on my back ._."

[limber lion]

Imagine a rogue dressed as a vampire boy in Bastion

Doesn't really fit

[indigo mulch]

I mean

I can't really counter that atm :/

Sadge

[gusty mirage]

you can stay venthyr if you want, it's not that big of a deal tbh

[indigo mulch]

I mean i do a lot of m+ aswell

So yeah

[limber lion]

And with Theotar's cheese plausibly being fixed, there's no reason to stay Venthyr imo

If you don't care about the numbers too too much, then you can honestly play whatever.

[gusty mirage]

venthyr's good for sub, sub will be viable in 9.1 in m+ (:

[limber lion]

But if you're a slut for numbers (like me), then you should go Necro

Yeah, or that

[indigo mulch]

I wonder if sub can compete with sin though

[gusty mirage]

its getting huge buffs for aoe

[limber lion]

Sub will be the superior spec in single target most likely.

But it's a lot harder to play in comparison

[indigo mulch]

How many pure ST fights is there in Sanctum so far?

like 1? :X

[limber lion]

It's subject to failure

Like 3

[indigo mulch]

Oh damn 3?

[limber lion]

Painsmith, Tarragrue, The Eye

[indigo mulch]

Might actually have to look into it then :/ I just have a feeling that assassination will have the upperhand 😒

[limber lion]

Maybe more

Most likely

[odd hazel]

i mean, you can realistcally compete with any CoV/spec. but yeah sin might have a upper hand due to cleave.

[limber lion]

Assassination is easier to play, doesn't get punished by downtime as much and is all around just a better spec for raiding

There's a reason Assassination has been the go-to raiding spec for years

And it's not just because it's tuned the highest every time

[twilit python]

eye of the jailer isnt full single target btw, small amount of cleave

[odd hazel]

Bleeds do passive damage if you have to move away

so its kind of easier to avoid things

but outlaw is NICE with that extra melee range

[indigo mulch]

I dunno, we'll see. I can always swap back to venthyr if it turns out that its super good for sin even on cleave.

D:

[balmy condor]

it's currently not

and will not be

there's no soulbind that will change the cleave potential

[odd hazel]

only thing venth does more then necro?

priority damage.

good ST

but like 50 dps?

[limber lion]

Not true necessarily

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't even say that

[odd hazel]

listen, let me have my venth boys some good things lmao

[limber lion]

If you have multiple targets and everything's bled with SBS

[balmy condor]

necro does more prio if you have adds

[limber lion]

you get much more value from sbs

than flag

Insta 5-combo points is pretty giga

[odd hazel]

thats true

100% why that leggo is gonna get nerfed

has there been any talk about that happening?

[limber lion]

I mean

The legendary doesn't do anything in single target

[indigo mulch]

Is it really that op though? o_O

[limber lion]

Like nothing

[odd hazel]

yes

its 5% better then zold

[low girder]

k last i heard from whispyr it's like

[indigo mulch]

I mean its good on 1 thing.

[limber lion]

Still not as good as Disciplinary Command or some of the other outliers

[low girder]

1.5% over zold

[odd hazel]

oh? i havent heard talk of it in a long time then

[limber lion]

Just because it'll be our best legendary in aoe, doesn't mean that it's bonkers crazy op

[odd hazel]

almost 2% is super good though

[limber lion]

It might be for Outlaw

But not for us

[balmy condor]

outlaw is insane

sin not really

[odd hazel]

the fact that the extra bones cleave off bladefurry is nuts

[balmy condor]

it's worse than zold on 5 min aoe from what I remember

it's just good at getting lots of spikes out very quickly

[winter vapor]

any difference in the cloak enchants for m+? or just down to personl pref

[balmy condor]

personal

[limber lion]

Always down to personal preference

[winter vapor]

😛 ta

[balmy condor]

cev still up

smh

[limber lion]

Hey it's only 2am. These are lightweight hours for you

[balmy condor]

I went to bed at 5 and woke up at 9 lmao

[indigo mulch]

Convince me to swap to necro so i don't have to feel bad :c

[limber lion]

[odd hazel]

you arent allowed to sleep whispyr

[limber lion]

I did that yesterday as well actually because I had a talk with my psychologist.

[indigo mulch]

Imagian being able to sleep D: I have a 8 month old daughter that refuses to sleep 😄

If i get more than 4h a sleep per night i'm a happy bunny!

[pale fossil]

Very easily the best covenant sanctum layout.

[limber lion]

I mean, I would feel pretty bad if I was Venthyr as well. Yuk

[balmy condor]

good one

[odd hazel]

i mean. its better at M+, its looking really good in raid and its soulbinds are really good

[indigo mulch]

Thank you, now i don't have to feel like shit.

[balmy condor]

if necro order hall was any more dogshit I'd feel bad about leaving it sit on the lawn

blizzard still doesn't get how to make useful training dummies

and it shows

[balmy anvil]

I was asking last week for some help, and was wondering if anyone could take a look and see if my scrub ass is making any progress on the obvious stuff?

[pale fossil]

That's true. Everything's organized nicely but the dummy area is hot garbage.

[limber lion]

Let's just slap 5x2 dummies in the hall and call them by different names, that'll do

[pale fossil]

Forreal

#1 thing I miss about swapping from NF

NF has useful dummies

[limber lion]

Venthyr has the best dummies and it's not even close.

[pale fossil]

I haven't seen them so idk haha

I have a Venthyr War but I hate playing it so

[balmy condor]

just give us a single target dummy, a 3 target, and a 5 target, maybe an 8 target

just 4 little clusters

it's so easy

just do it

[limber lion]

I never understood the point of having 3 different single target dummies

Target dummy, raid target dummy, dungeon target dummy

why

[pale fossil]

Whispyr you need a 2x2, a second 2x2 for "healing", and a third 2x2 for "tanking" practice.

[balmy condor]

I have never seen a healer use a healing dummy

in my life

[pale fossil]

I think I've seen one but I don't really get what the point is? As far as I can tell, HPS doesn't really matter as a metric.

Isn't good healing more about DR, reactive burst healing, and stuff like that?

[tulip nacelle]

sunking

[balmy condor]

and tank dummies are basically just traps for stupid dps not paying attention

"why did I just die to a dummy"

[pale fossil]

Rip Soul

[steel geyser]

Ur a liar if it never happened to you

[balmy condor]

[steel geyser]

[pale fossil]

I've never hit a tank dummy. They scare me.

[balmy condor]

I said "stupid dps"

I never said I'm not brain damaged

[steel geyser]

True

[balmy condor]

I'll die to the same dummy every week cause I forgot

watch me

[hollow river]

will never understand why venthyr and somewhat kyrian had decent dummies but necrolords are trolling

[balmy condor]

social distancing I guess

have you see the plague in maldraxxus

real bad

[hollow river]

I’m a necro lord undead poison dagger boi

Social distance my ass

Pondering switching sides to b elf/orc

[odd hazel]

Never blood elf

Don’t do it

[strange python]

Do we use oil and phntomfire now?

Haven’t been looking at parses

[odd hazel]

Only use oil if you’re cheesing theotar

But

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[strange python]

Got it, ty

[hollow river]

Why dis

[indigo mulch]

Bloodelf male increases your dps by additional 2%

I swear.

[hollow river]

Idk sounding sus

if all the races are within 0.5%, does that mean even the worst are 0.5% from the best?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stoic needle]

Oil + phantom fire will be more viable in 9.1 when they fix that dumb pot

[odd hazel]

because fuck Belfs

but

tbh i think they are a decent choice race wise

AoE silence, i think they give crit passively?

[balmy condor]

it's an aoe dispel

not a silence

[limber swallow]

the silence has been gone for years

[odd hazel]

ah

i havent played Belf in YEARS

[balmy condor]

yeah

it was crazy in legion so they changed it going into bfa

[odd hazel]

still though

does it work on bursting?

or anything like, good?

i'd go orc personally, or troll. i like the way armor looks on them

i'd even go vulpera for that extra bag space/hearth stone

[hollow river]

so you can dispell your party?

[limber lion]

No.

It only works on mobs

It is really useful for many things in m+

[balmy condor]

it dispels things like the buff from the little spirits in the hakkar hallway

those ghosts that chase you when things die

you can belf those and they die

or in mists when the heal goes through in the maze, you can dispel that

[rain mortar]

Also quite useful in pvp against paladins - but still not as good as orc.

[limber lion]

And a lot of the self-buffs the mobs do

[hollow river]

sounds pretty useful

[wind dune]

But trolls have that power curve to match you irl

[rain mortar]

It’s useful - orc is better in pretty much all situations though still

[strange python]

How much damage do you guys do typically in a 15-17?

[pallid jay]

any big brain gamers know how to change the colour of the hp bar? without garrote and rup, the bar should be purple(i think?), but I'm not sure why it's not working

[harsh anchor]

Does casting a 4th garrote after opening on 3 mobs with sub "disable" the 80% inc damage for the first 3. For example, we pull 5+ mobs, I open and use a 4th garrote on a mob without it (after sub is dropped) and continue from there. I assume it only would I guess cancel it out if I put a garrote over an empowered one but I thought to have remembered to let the first 3 tick and then start laying out garrote as much as you can

[upper trout]

If your 4th garrote was on a mob that had an empowered garrote already on it then yeah it would overwrite

[harsh anchor]

Okay I was just curious. Have a WA that tracks if a garrote is empowered or not and the empowered ones go back to the default color when I put out a 4th one.

[upper trout]

On a 4th mob?

[harsh anchor]

Yes, yes I meant to put that in there.

4 mobs, 4 garrotes

[upper trout]

Sounds like a bug in the WA

[limber lion]

The empowered garrotes stay empowered, as long as you don't overwrite them with regular garrotes.

You're good my boy.

[quasi ledge]

There was an old bug in BfA with the trait where doing a 4th Garrote caused the empowered 3 to drop the traits damage. Could be a WA from that time

Or just dodgy code if it takes from the most recently applied garrote

[harsh anchor]

Right that's where I remember that from then. I'll look into the WA if I can fix it or not

[hollow river]

so is it actually not possible to get out 4 empowered?

[odd hazel]

it is

[balmy condor]

what

no it isn't

[odd hazel]

is it not?

[balmy condor]

you get 3 garrotes from subterfuge

[odd hazel]

ah--- i guess it just always felt like it so i didnt question it

[balmy condor]

subterfuge is 3 seconds, each garrote is a global taking 1 second

[high berry]

are people putting doomblade on shoulders or gloves?

[gusty mirage]

gloves

[balmy condor]

glove

[high berry]

ty

[obsidian aurora]

Would CT be better talent than poison bomb for mythic council?

In terms of pure dps for the whole fight

[balmy condor]

yes

CT is better the moment you have 2 targets for a reasonable portion of the fight

[strange python]

What’s a good base point for a typical dungeon

For damage

On a 15-18 with 226 gear

[balmy condor]

6-6.5 should be pretty easy in pugs

[strange python]

Ah alright.

[balmy condor]

should probably see some 7k's in there as well for a good halls or a good mists

[strange python]

I wonder if 7k from an assa rogue is worth more than a 7.5kk from a windwalker

Currently play ww and I hit around 7.5 in most keys

[balmy condor]

that sounds pretty reasonable

ww does more damage than us

[strange python]

Just wondering if next tier the assa damage will be worth more to timing a key

I assume prio is pretty important this expac? I haven’t played keys hard this expac

Hence 15-18 is what I’m at rn

[balmy condor]

if you need shrouds, the rogue will probably be better

but I can't just say "yeah prio big dude play sin" cause that's not really how it works

[strange python]

Makes sense.

[balmy condor]

group composition plays into it, who's popping cooldowns on stuff

if you have a mage combusting every pride, you don't really need to do anything on it

[strange python]

Well I play with a fire mage so when we go fire mage/ww and we overlap it’s pretty shitty

[balmy condor]

that's fine

pull bigger when you both have cds, or spread them out a little more so you don't overlap

but if you're doing 7.5k and the mage is probably around there as well

you should be more than capable of timing higher than 15-18