assassination

[velvet nacelle]

i hate people that extend pulls after the wipe is called

[cerulean nest]

yeah. i wasnt for awhile so im still pretty empty handed for now

[dim temple]

I am so Tried of Blizzard tbh not giving us a date for 9.1 i am around 6000 soul ash now

[drowsy coral]

I'm gonna have a mental breakdown if I run those wings again I swear, skipped the last 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

by the time 9.1 comes out, we would've been raiding tomb of sargeras in legion, and getting ready for crucible in bfa

[cerulean nest]

it's so funny how bad torghast is lmao. remember them previewing it saying like "a cornerstone of the expansion"

[balmy condor]

I think it's been PRETTY LONG

[drowsy coral]

Yeah quality content for sure Kapp

[odd hazel]

its been out since march

[balmy condor]

what

9.0.5?

9.0.5 didn't bring anything

[cerulean nest]

im saying content, not tuning changes

[odd hazel]

i'd rather wait a decent tiem for decent content then rushed content just for new content

[cerulean nest]

fully agree. but even still, this is way long

[dim temple]

I all ready thinking of unsub to 9.1, paying 100kr for raiding 2 times per week on mythic sire progress is not my idea of valune for money

[drowsy coral]

I feel like it's been way too long too, guild activity is dead, good guilds postponed their recruitement too (at least on my server)

Hard to do anything relevant

[balmy condor]

the problem is that the "decent" content seems to just be the same content that we got in half the time, any other expansion in the last 8-10 years

so

[dim temple]

yeah.. its mind blowing blizzard cant see it

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy condor]

unless you know about some hidden content in 9.1 that I don't

[velvet nacelle]

i doubt that blizzard is blind to it

[balmy condor]

it's pretty fucking awful

[odd hazel]

same thing every expansion

[velvet nacelle]

but game development is hard in wfh

[balmy condor]

?????/

[cerulean nest]

i'll give them some leeway with Covid/WFH stuff. cant fully ignore that aspect

[balmy condor]

It's actually just not the same thing

it's twice as long

as "every expansion"

that's the point

this is by far the longest first tier the game has had

EVER

calling it the "same thing"

is pretty rich

tbh

[odd hazel]

doesnt feel any different to me tbh

[balmy condor]

then you're the odd one out

[drowsy coral]

Well having played only legion in the past few years, I feel a big difference

I wasn't running out of shit to do in legion

[balmy condor]

speaking purely based on the statistics and time

[dim temple]

We all know what the problem no matter how the wanna pack it

[balmy condor]

this patch is SUUUUUUUUUUUUPER long

[cerulean nest]

there's literally nothing to do right now/for the past month +

[odd hazel]

nothing?

you've done everything?"

[cerulean nest]

except crawl through mythic prog with a slowly disinterested guild lol

[drowsy coral]

What's everything lmao

Pet battles ?

[cerulean nest]

^

[odd hazel]

ive never felt that way and i've been playing for like 14 years

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cerulean nest]

all relevant end game

[brisk drum]

which slots is deathspike built in?

[dim temple]

Have u seen the new Season mythic 2 mount?

[balmy condor]

not sure tbh

something I'm gonna care about when we get closer and things get finalized and I have to redo the pins

[dim temple]

how is this content? https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/season-2-keystone-master-requires-15s-on-both-tyrannical-and-fortified-in-patch-322523

[balmy condor]

it's not

[dim temple]

hehe

[odd hazel]

More stuff to do.

[balmy condor]

it's literally the same stuff

[odd hazel]

i mean

[dim temple]

Look at the mount

[odd hazel]

technically is more to do

[balmy condor]

......

what

[odd hazel]

i dont care about mounts

[balmy condor]

it's the same thing

there's nothing new there

[odd hazel]

yes its the same, but its more work

[cerulean nest]

for the people actually comfortable snagging KSM quickly its basically the same

[uneven hamlet]

it's twice more work for the same recolor, I'd do it anyway tbh so nothings changing for me

[odd hazel]

i dont do it for the mount tbh

i dont only play WoW though so theres that factor on things

[uneven hamlet]

You like pushing da keys?

[odd hazel]

i do it mainly for upgrading my gear, once i got all 15s done i only do a key for my vault/maybe 2 choices and cap valor.

[uneven hamlet]

Oh boy

I'd only do it for gear if I was raiding mythic or targeting slot, the mount is my ultimate goal

[odd hazel]

i dont have a group to do mythic sadly, so i might try pugging a few bosses.

gonna be stuck at like..222 most likely after i finish upgrading

unless vault loves me

[uneven hamlet]

I admire the ppl that push high keys, I can't get the same trill trying it

[odd hazel]

theres just no need to for me tbh

i got what i wanted

good for peeps that do though!

if there was more time i'd prob do atleast like 16s-17s

[golden tulip]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[hollow river]

i'm nearing 10k :3

honestly have barely logged in besides raid in like 3 weeks now getting kinda old

[drowsy coral]

I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum, I don't understand how you can stop at +15 considering how ez it is

I'm having way more fun since I started tackling 21/22+, PUG or not

[hollow river]

+15s are harder than mythic raiding imo

[drowsy coral]

uh probably not

I'm boosting 15's with the customer often afk, and it still feels bland

[balmy condor]

15's are 100% not harder than mythic

15's are probably mid-heroic at best

[drowsy coral]

Agreed

It's hard to compare anyway

[hollow river]

idk about all that

[drowsy coral]

Biggest difficulty of Mythic raiding is actually gathering 20 good people into an harmonious roster

[hollow river]

i've started mythic raiding and have 1 15 timed

[balmy condor]

that's not an indication of the difficulty

I did 22's in bfa with 0 mythic kills

does that mean 22's are heroic?

[hollow river]

i've depleted plenty of 15ds

[steep obsidian]

i think it depends on when you are talking about mythic raiding is diff first month or so then months into the tier

[hollow river]

to be able to say it's harder

[balmy condor]

[drowsy coral]

You said you've "started" doing mythic

[balmy condor]

they're definitely not

[steep obsidian]

same

[velvet nacelle]

f mythic council

f council in general. boring fight

[steep obsidian]

lol

[hollow river]

idk man in raid u only waste 5 minutes for a wipe. once everyone memorizes the fight you win

[drowsy coral]

4head

[hollow river]

the amount of players isn't relative

[velvet nacelle]

"once everyone memorizes the fight"

your raid group > mine

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

dungeons are way harder to memorize

[drowsy coral]

Invite me in your guild man

[balmy condor]

yeah honestly

[drowsy coral]

I'm stuck on sludge because of a lack of dps

[balmy condor]

if you clear mythic like 15's

get me in there dude

[velvet nacelle]

@hollow river 35 pulls in people still don't know what to do with recital

[hollow river]

you don't want into my guild

[velvet nacelle]

the same people are dying to the first recitals every time

i mena i'm not doing shit for dps on assassination in here

[balmy condor]

I don't?

but you just said 15's are like mythic

if your guild does mythic and they're in any way similar to 15's

then I DEFINITELY want in

[hollow river]

"+15s are harder than mythic raiding imo"

I.M.O.

[balmy condor]

I know plenty of people that can clear 20's but don't know how to walk in a circle on council

[hollow river]

lmfao

that is insane to me

[placid dawn]

can you cloak knockback on sire p3?

[balmy condor]

no

[steep obsidian]

dodging massacre is the hardest thing inwow going by my raid group

along with remebering to interrupt

[drowsy coral]

Council interrupt PTSD

[balmy condor]

kick does no dps

why kick

[hollow river]

6head argument there sir

[balmy condor]

I'm an oogabooga dps

[hollow river]

once my bleeds are up i just auto attack 🤷‍♂️

[odd hazel]

tbh, its just that i gain nothing from doing higher besides IO. i know 15s arent difficult, i'm debating about going higher because something to do but other then that i have no want or need to do higher.

I would rather do Mythic raiding then M+ but life is so

[balmy condor]

[drowsy coral]

that's why you don't appreciate how difficult 15 are and how much IQ it demands

[balmy condor]

yo BIG true

[odd hazel]

the question is, who said they were hard

[drowsy coral]

have you ever stepped into mists 15 ?

it's insane

[balmy condor]

I think suggon said they were pretty hard

[odd hazel]

the hardest thing?

finding pugs who arent -1 IQ

who cant stun on a plaguefall properly because they dont kill slimes

[velvet nacelle]

mists 15 is seriously your litmus test for hard dungeons?

[hollow river]

okay maybe 15s aren't whats hard

maybe it's finding other GAMERS to do them with

[velvet nacelle]

or was that sarcasm?

[drowsy coral]

Yeah it's the hardest, I gave up with the puzzle Pepega

(Ofc that was sarcasm)

[odd hazel]

i swear to god though if this boomy in my raid doesnt do more DPS next tier i'll just flip my desk

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor hey king

[balmy condor]

[odd hazel]

[balmy condor]

what brings you to these acursed lands

[odd hazel]

a CM other then whispyr in here. its a rare sighting

[balmy condor]

koji and seli come visit me sometimes :)

[arctic walrus]

a former ruler must stop by and check up on the lands he once ruled

[balmy condor]

so true bestie

[odd hazel]

former

[arctic walrus]

who even are u dawg

[odd hazel]

a fucking idiot. tbh

welcome back though

always happy to see CM figures in here.

[balmy condor]

oh he's not back

[odd hazel]

as long as osh and his mastery bafoonery doesnt become mainstream

[balmy condor]

it's his monthly message in a spec channel

[odd hazel]

someones gotta give you a chance to rest sometimes

[balmy condor]

idk what that word means

Im 6 hours into a 7 hour shift

[gusty kestrel]

do u call assa channel sittings a shift

[hollow river]

rofl

[balmy condor]

no this is what I do for fun

I have brain damage don't make fun of me

[gusty kestrel]

I was just asking

[safe barn]

Both tisumi and vel spoke at the same day?

Did the planets align or something?

[odd hazel]

all we need is foreverguy to become a sin rogue

[safe barn]

That's something that won't happen

[odd hazel]

@sudden brook

true or false?

[balmy condor]

never been in off topic?

[safe barn]

nope

[balmy condor]

that would explain it

[safe barn]

im afraid to look there

[gusty kestrel]

OT is home

[arctic walrus]

ot is bis rogue spec

[odd hazel]

we have to pay tribute to the greens to get in there

remember when koffing came in here?

what happens if we see the shadows talk?

[balmy condor]

if the shadows have to come into spec channels, you know someone fucked up real bad

[odd hazel]

i dont think i've ever seen a purple name

[hollow river]

O:

[peak haven]

What skills are best used 1v1 after leaving stealth (with master leggo) equipped

[balmy condor]

would recommend the #pvp channel

we don't really handle pvp in here

[odd hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[peak haven]

Oh shit sorry

[balmy condor]

all good :P nothing wrong with asking about pvp

just a lot more knowledge in there compared to the spec channels

[odd hazel]

whispyr the god at pvp

[spice spire]

Fuu is in here all the time

[balmy condor]

fuu is a blade?

[spice spire]

Isn’t he orange?

[balmy condor]

yes

those are blades

[odd hazel]

i meant the

shadow shadows

[spice spire]

Oh the shadows

I’m lit holy

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

I deadass have only seen stjern speak in OT

And that’s the only blade I’ve seen in a year here

[odd hazel]

i've never seen a purple name and kind of scared to

[balmy condor]

fiery is in OT sometimes

gives some sick recommendations for heavy metal if you're into it

[spice spire]

I am

Deece

[balmy condor]

go into OT and ping him about it

real nice guy

[spice spire]

Nice. If I’m ever in the mood for new shit, I’ll ask! So far everyone I thought would be was nice. So I’m sure it’s across the board

[upper trout]

plater feels like a life changer

[gusty mirage]

I get bullied a lot, but I do it to myself

[spice spire]

worth it papi

[worthy moth]

lol

[cosmic haven]

cant find it anywhere

for m+ whats the best to pick, emeni or heimer?

looking at bloodmallet, emeni is better

also looking at the top 1% on raiderio. they vary between emeni and heimer

[limber lion]

Heirmir for everything as Assassination

Outlaw switches between the two, but it's a safe choice to just stick to Heirmir as assassination

[molten beacon]

Hello ! I m looking for The better stats to m+ .
I tried with raidbots but I don t understand the difference.
Higher Rio often have Crit 28% - haste 12% - Mastery 30% and Versa 12%, Raidbots doesn t want Versa

[limber lion]

Stats don't really matter too much, but you generally want high crit for m+.

The other stats don't matter too much

[scenic meteor]

Zoldyck or doom blade for lady inerva? I

[steep obsidian]

wcl seems pretty definitive top 100 say doomblade

[limber lion]

Doomblade for every single boss, except Mythic SLG and possibly Sire.

[scenic meteor]

Ok what about heroic SLG or sire?

[limber lion]

Doomblade for both

[scenic meteor]

Ok thanks !

And for lady is it

Blindside, master assassi, vigour, chest death, pray on weak, alacrity and poison bomb

[limber lion]

You should use EP instead of Blindside

Otherwise looks good

[scenic meteor]

Ah is EP better? I know it makes the rotation feel a bit slower but that’s fine if I’m doing more damage haha

[limber lion]

Yes, if you play Vigor you should also play EP, they go hand-in-hand

[scenic meteor]

Ah ok thanks

[limber lion]

EP/Vigor is generally used for any fight with adds and Sludge, BS/DS for pure single target.

[scenic meteor]

Ok, thanks

Also openers what do you do?

Is
mutilate, slice, Garrotte, mutilate (until 5), rupture, then vendetta, flaggilation and then pump out envenoms

Is this any good? Is there an optimum ST opener?

[limber lion]

Not really the most optimal, you should check out one of our guides here

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[scenic meteor]

Thanks

[limber lion]

The optimal opener for Venthyr would be:
Mutilate - Slice - Muti - Garrote - Flagellation - Rupture - Vendetta - Shiv - Vanish

[scenic meteor]

Ah ok flagellation before rupture

Ok thanks

[limber lion]

Yes.

Always use Flagellation just before a finisher

[timber swan]

What's gonna be our bis leggy for 9.1 still doomblade and the execute bleed one for are?

Aoe*

[limber lion]

Most likely Doomblade for raiding, but anything can still change.

Zoldyck will generally only be used for fights where you'd need execute damage on progression or for AoE if you're not Necrolord.

Deathspike will be the go-to for AoE.

[indigo mulch]

Im more curious to how viable we will be.

[timber swan]

I'm vynthyr

[limber lion]

Probably very viable.

Nothing's changing for us (yet) and rather the top contenders are getting nerfed.

[timber swan]

Assassin is expected to be one of the best st dps

[indigo mulch]

I dunno. Atm there is no real reason to bring rogues.

Sp are still going to be lightyears ahead of us on st

And they arr ranged ofc.

Are*

[limber lion]

Viability and being op are two different things.

Rogue will be completely fine for 9.1 and will likely be one of the top damage dealers.

[reef axle]

can rogues sprint on 4 stacks on sire?

[limber lion]

It will not be the best at everything and it will lack in raid utility, but it's still a solid choice.

[indigo mulch]

Im just thinking why would i want to bring a rouge to aanctum of domination?

[limber lion]

No.

[reef axle]

ahh damn

[indigo mulch]

3 stacks is fine with roar

[limber lion]

Plenty of reasons.

1. They do good damage regardless of encounter (SP's are useless in multi-target/AoE)
2. Your guild doesn't have people who play multiple specs/alts, so they cannot change
3. You want to have your good players on their good specs instead of swapping to a "better spec" that they then play worse.

List goes on and on

The fact is that you cannot pick and choose what classes you want in your raid unless you're forcing multiple alts on your raiders.

[scenic meteor]

https://wago.io/HJe5_pfNm is this usable without Elvui?

[limber lion]

Yes, you just download the Weak Auras - addon.

[scenic meteor]

Nice thanks bro

[indigo mulch]

Im trying to justify me sticking on rouge rathrr than re rolling.

[limber lion]

Well yeah, then you have to make that choice.

I'm sticking to rogue and I'll let you know that a lot of HoF guilds are recruiting rogues for their main roster as well.

Rogue is in a good spot, even more so if we get whatever raid-wide buff/utility Blizzard comes up with.

If things remain unchanged, Sub will be a contender for best single target dps.

[hushed nacelle]

I havent played any ptr myself but to me it looks like necro should be a little better than venth overall?

[limber lion]

Yes, Necrolord is looking to be the go-to choice for Assassination

[tepid ridge]

[soft shale]

im still curious to see what happens with the domination socket debacle now

if nothing changes going from doomblade to dashing is a cuck move for assa

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's not the most refined system yet so we will have to wait and see.

[indigo mulch]

How much difference is there actually between venthyr and necro ST in 9.1? Like is it actually worth sticking pure ST venthyr or actually go necro since its prob better as soon as there is +2 target.

[limber lion]

The difference is less than 100 dps. It's definitely better to just go Necrolord for most bosses. Necrolord doesn't suffer from downtime either as much as Venthyr does and is just overall the better choice for most encounters.

[indigo mulch]

Really now, only 1%? D:

100 dps*

Sorry not %

[limber lion]

Venthyr pulls ahead quite a bit if you add in the Theotar potion cheese on top of it.

But fingers crossed that gets patched before 9.1

Safe choice is to level both covenants up and then change when needed (if needed)

[indigo mulch]

Oh so you keep your renown

[limber lion]

You can do both of the covenant changing Prove your Worth quests beforehand, but just don't turn them in

That way you can instantly swap to the other covenant if you so please.

[vocal kelp]

Theotar potion thingy got fixed in ptr now though

[limber lion]

Source?

[vocal kelp]

Tried it during latest raid testing

The pot just gets removed when swapping back to nadija

[limber lion]

That's great news.

Love to see it.

Death to Theotar

[vocal kelp]

Ye, did not like that soulbind swapping a lot

[dense aspen]

Dont trust voksar, he’s a hunter in disguise

[indigo mulch]

[loud trench]

But if you haven’t leveled the renown in the other covenant you will still have to do that, so if you swap necro and Max it to 40, then do the prove you worth for venthyr you can swap back right away with both Max renown

[limber lion]

Yes, that's why I literally said on my previous sentence "You should level up both covenants"

[loud trench]

Oh my bad dude I must have misread it

Sorry!

[limber lion]

All good homeboy.

[cloud reef]

@limber lion do you ever garrote the off target boss on council just to get more ticks of energy regen when parsing? Or is it never worth

[slim cipher]

Best spec for thorgast? 183 ilvl and i want to farm as highest as i can this week

[limber lion]

Yes, you should keep dots up on at least one extra boss. Both garrote and rupture.

[limber lion]

Assassination.

[drifting cosmos]

leech all the way

more straight forward

[limber lion]

You just zoom to the boss picking up any anima orbs on the way

[slim cipher]

Because of leech?

[cloud reef]

Would garrote + CT be enough or do you still recomend rupture as well

[drifting cosmos]

ct doesnt give you energy tho

gar and rup do

[limber lion]

No you should use both garrote and rupture. Garrote is fine as a start, but definitely work towards maintaining both

[limber lion]

It's just really strong for the bosses. Subtlety is also a good choice.

As assassination you don't really need many powers. Just focus on getting unceasing chain links and you're gucci

[cloud reef]

how come no one seems to do it on top logs? to me it sounds like it should be worth

[gloomy fern]

they are prolly to busy padding waiters with sbs

and ct

[limber lion]

I mean it is a lot of work to maintain bleeds on multiple targets. But we have simmed it and it shows a gain every time.

But yeah, quite a few people are just padding on waiters and just running Zoldyck instead of Doomblade.

[drifting cloud]

couldnt be me

[limber lion]

Actually an impressive feat with a boomie in the raid

[silent fossil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6kcpFdYyaqmR7Mr9#fight=last&type=damage-done&target=227

not me either

[cloud reef]

i pad on them as sub got a rank 2 parse at the time

[limber lion]

God all my good parses are being destroyed. My r1 Sire is r38 now, r4 Council is r21

Too many god gamers.

[cloud reef]

youre washed up, only rank 2 normal all star

[silent fossil]

i'll never get good shriek, hungering, or sludge because i don't care to do the theotar cheeze and swap covenants for it

[cloud reef]

i want our raid team to 1 tank 1 heal shreik

[limber lion]

Yeh rip.

[cloud reef]

but we havent tried it yet

[limber lion]

My new guild private logs and doesn't care about logs so I doubt I'll be getting any giga parses on single target fights.

[silent fossil]

my guild sucks too hard to do shriek cheese https://i.imgur.com/79UGpYA.png

fast and sloppy

[limber lion]

My old guild killed it 30s faster than my new one

But then again I haven't done a full main raid with my new guild. it's always filled with alts/buyers

[silent fossil]

yea our last 3-4 clears have had anywhere from 2-4 main swaps for everything but SLG / Sire

with like 180 ilvls

[limber lion]

Yep

I'm getting a 233 weapon next week so I can finally start pumping

[gusty mirage]

Start? What have you been doing already?!

[odd hazel]

Wait

Are we all bad compared to cev

[silent fossil]

im like 50% of the way there

[subtle tundra]

nah he is a good player but not a god

like some people think he is

[limber lion]

Unlucky.

I'm trying my best yo, no need to crush a man like that

[sacred isle]

Gods create their own luck!

[tulip nacelle]

What's a god to a nonbeliever?

[pure moth]

That's what you would call off topic

[odd hazel]

who said we he was a god?

are you sad you're an outlaw player?

[subtle tundra]

? what does that have to do with playing outlaw

[odd hazel]

[subtle tundra]

im assa main fyi

[odd hazel]

our lord and savior Cev will know of this betrayal

[frail fossil]

Keep our name out of this convo

[frail fossil]

U may not be a god but ur my friend

[odd hazel]

I used to be the wrong side as well friend ( as i say with my 216 outlaw set )

just memein though. i hope you enjoy the extra bone boy spikes

[limber lion]

[heady elbow]

Doin sludge with a pug atm who are gonna pop lust on 1st pillar, am i better to hold my Vendetta for 1st pillar or just use it on pull so i have it back for 2nd pillar?

[sonic schooner]

hold it for 1st pillar

[gusty mirage]

Tell your group to stop trolling

[heady elbow]

i cant be bothered questioning this pug

im not insane in thinking lust on 1st pillar is int'ing?

[sonic schooner]

in heroic that s fine

[gusty mirage]

You are not insane

[sonic schooner]

in mythic lmfao enjoy your time there

[gusty mirage]

Yeah just hold for first pillar I guess

[heady elbow]

ha. i think my rogue will never enter mythic for a good while

[gusty mirage]

What a strange strat for a pug

[sonic schooner]

every pug do that, at least every pug i did

[heady elbow]

i've always assumed just do it on 2nd pillar since so many classes have CDs back up for that pillar

[sonic schooner]

they go by "boss gonna die before the last pillar and like that everyone is alive at least"

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t pugged nathria since like mid January

There’s too much emotional distress to be had there

[heady elbow]

im only pugging it since i swapped toon and need to get better at this before 9.1 😦

[gusty mirage]

I believe in you

[heady elbow]

FEELIN DA LOVE ❤️ ❤️ <£

orange parses inc... right...? 😢

[sonic schooner]

rogue do it from behiiiind

[gusty mirage]

Nah pink parses inc

[limber lion]

Every HC group lusts the first pillar. That is the common strategy

[heady elbow]

ima get some no brain kill me with the chain when im pumping... or at least thats what im gonna tell myself when i get a grey parse

[limber lion]

Log groups lust the second pillar, but they kill it before the third.

[sonic schooner]

Pink parse is because you are good, orange parse is because this stoopid priest didnt PI you, other colors are just because your mate killed you

fact

[gusty mirage]

Trueeee

[limber lion]

That doesn't really add up

Orange means that you didn't get externals, but pink means that you're good

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[limber lion]

That assumes that to get pink parses you need PI's

But that doesn't mean that you're good if you can only get 99's with PI

[gusty mirage]

I feel personally attacked

[limber lion]

Fixed it for you

[gusty mirage]

Oh okay never mind then

[sonic schooner]

i dont get PI and i m bad and my mates are killing me

[gusty mirage]

I only get orange parses with PI

[vast forum]

good log grps kill it during 2nd pillar 😄

[limber lion]

Exactly.

[misty holly]

I got some pink parses in LFR.

at 225 ilevel

[limber lion]

Yikes

[gusty mirage]

I approve this gamer move

Exert dominance always

[vast forum]

pink is pink

[limber lion]

Should be getting straight 100's at 225

[gusty mirage]

I’ve come to terms that I’m a mediocre raider. My playground is m+

[limber lion]

I still need r1 HC SKS, Sire and SLG

[gusty mirage]

No all star points = it’s okay to never do SKS again

[limber lion]

I want yellow.

:(

[misty holly]

sup

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion

[limber lion]

Hey you missed out on one wing

[limber lion]

Climbin' like it's nobody's business

[gusty mirage]

Got myself a 20 dos that should put me 5th on the server

[limber lion]

Noice

[gusty mirage]

Assa IO is finally > outlaw IO, all feels right in the world again

[limber lion]

Hell yeah, a true chad gamer

[gusty mirage]

Someone asked me to switch to outlaw, I asked them if 500 dps overall was worth it for gouge

I’m just a mediocre pirate

[untold nest]

Its all about comfort in the end of the day. I do like 1k 1.5k less overall as sin in keys.

[heady elbow]

no pink parse kek

[limber lion]

Unlucky

[heady elbow]

Considering I got a 55 overall I think a pink parse would require me to, well not be me

[limber lion]

What ilvl were you again?

[heady elbow]

215

Swapped my soulbind to bonesmith as well gonna use emeni for m+

[limber lion]

Yeah, probably not going to be getting many pink parses with 215 ilvl.

[heady elbow]

yep 😂

[fallen arch]

Me too, still have to find the first pirate to outdps me on any key as well

[sacred isle]

sounds like a challange!

TO THE AIRBALLOON

[fallen arch]

Wait what

Alliance doesn’t use airballoons

[sacred isle]

just some silly attempt at race around the world quote

[fallen arch]

Oh hehe, didn’t catch that one

Slams for playing alliance incoming tho

Waiting for it to happen

[gusty mirage]

I was the same, until I ran into this chinese illidan rogue who legit shat on everyone

dude did like 8.5k overall

[fallen arch]

It’s ok, I can take it

[tulip nacelle]

Alliance

[fallen arch]

Wait what

[gusty mirage]

I shit you not

it was a 19 halls, he did 8.5k overall

[fallen arch]

Ye well, players will be players I guess.. on any class

[gusty mirage]

dude was an absolute gamer

he was 227 equipped, but god damn

[tough trail]

how do u guys use ur cds on sludge?

[fallen arch]

I think at pull, pillar 2, pillar 4

But maybe hold em if u lust on first pillar

[gusty mirage]

make sure you have shiv for pillar 1 and 3

besides that yeah all cds on pull, pillar 2, and pillar 4

[fallen arch]

Or convince them stupid mages to just pop it at pillar 2 because of you padding

[tough trail]

haha thanks guys

[fallen arch]

Fuck damn I hate mages

I have the feeling that it’s the class played by most bad players

Am I wrong?

[misty zenith]

No

[gusty mirage]

big number classes attract a lot of people

[balmy condor]

there's 0 way to know that

[gusty mirage]

increases the chance for doo doo players to flock

[compact pumice]

I feel other classes are plagued by this more. Such as druids.

Hybrids in general tbh

[fallen arch]

I know, but I hoped to have my feeling confirmed somehow 😁

[haughty totem]

with or without PIs?

[compact pumice]

Overall some of the best players I know are playing the always relevant pure DPS or tank classes.

The best healers usually get frustrated with bad DPS and Tanks and reroll sometime. A lot harder to carry people as a healer I find

[fallen arch]

When I pug a mage for M+ they’re almost exclusively bad outside of the utility they provide. Maybe I just get really unlucky with them

[compact pumice]

Good mages have teams already, since everyone wants a good mage

[fallen arch]

Yea guess thts true

[limber lion]

Every class has bad players.

[gusty mirage]

yeah like rogue has me

and I'm trash

[compact pumice]

Yeah, and also, bad players may play well enough too. The game isn't really hard

Like even if I outdps a mage overall by like 1k DPS at the end, he will still do 4x my damage on the big pulls in Ardenweald on DOS

Does his job and it's all good

[fallen arch]

Even this is really rare for me

[gusty mirage]

13-17 range in m+ is cursed

you either get really good players who are forced to pug cuz they can't find a group

or doo doo players

[limber lion]

What kind of keys are you doing

[compact pumice]

Pugging it happens to me all the time since I swapped to Necro. Outlaw Necro in M+ is so much goddamn fun

the damage is insane

[gusty mirage]

@compact pumice teach me how to pirate properly, sweating to pull 6k overall makes me feel bad

[compact pumice]

Honestly, open properly, pop blade flurry, vanish Dispatch MFD Dispatch KS, then refresh Blade flurry if needed and just hit 3x SBS with a Dispatch after each if you get enough CP. then hope the pack dies right after since your burst is over

[gusty mirage]

I do that for mediocre damage

I think I waste a lot of bte uptime spreading sbs

[compact pumice]

After the SBS shit is over I usually have like 15k dps

Trying to snipe some MFDs at the end and also some SBS at the end

Are you using KS+MA?

[gusty mirage]

outside of spiteful weeks yeppers

[compact pumice]

I haven't tried Celerity runs recently but usually do when we get the Spiteful

[fallen arch]

17 range

[compact pumice]

Just use Mouseover on SBS. You still hit all your melees and dispatches into the target you have BTE on

I use mouseover on SBS and MFD

[limber lion]

What kind of a shitty pirate channel is this

I thought I had #outlaw on permamute

[tropic pike]

just joined asssination its sick

[limber lion]

Glad to hear it.

We stan assa players.

[random raft]

Are we all necrolord now?

[limber lion]

Yes sir

Some people still Venthyr because of Theotar cheese shenanigans

But that's getting removed in 9.1

[tropic pike]

im night fae

just cos i chose it in the beginning and cba to switch to anything else

[compact pumice]

Even though I play it a lot I don't really enjoy that channel as much

[limber lion]

It is a different kind of beast for sure

[slow marsh]

I got a 220 pox to mess around with outlaw in keys and I just crank more as sin

A lot of it is due to comfortability but it was a noticable difference

[tropic pike]

im learning sin and i see this as pinned: We only maintain 5 bleeds for PRIO DAMAGE. In aoe situations you should be rupturing/garroting everything that lives long enough (~10 sec)

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[tropic pike]

i thought we just spam fan of knives and the aoe finisher

why is it bad to do that

[limber lion]

Well that's incorrect.

You don't do that

You just get energy starved and it's simply just less damage.

[slow marsh]

FoK isn't doing much damage and doesn't generate as much cp. It's vastly different from sub with it's aoe

[tropic pike]

ye im thinkin bought sub style

[slow marsh]

Just like the pin says you want to keep up as many bleeds on as many different things as you can unless they won't live the duration of said bleeds.

Lets just say you will get very used to spamming your tab key

[balmy condor]

CT is a bleed

spamming it is giga bad

[lyric crater]

finish aoe last 12sec max cp so hit do that and rup many target as u can before u need to refresh it

[limber lion]

@balmy condor

[tropic pike]

Thanks guys, that should fix my rotation up

i did 4k dps on a NW 15 at 217 ilevel

[balmy condor]

[tropic pike]

gonna just practice the stuff in the pins thanks for the resource

[iron hound]

For Sire fight, should we equip ourselves aoe or st style of fight? Plus, Zodyk would be much better in phase 3 right?

[strange python]

is it a dps loss to use crimson tempest on single target if i am using doomblade

[misty holly]

Maybe if exsanguinate triggered all your bleeds rather than just 1 target it could be good?

[strange python]

like if i already brought the talent for a m+

[stoic needle]

No, you should keep the dot up outside of shiv regardless of legendary

But you shouldn't use doomblade for m+

[strange python]

well yeah i know but its a new character i dont have enough soul ash for multiple legos

so im doing what i can

[loud trench]

Are people using the pot cheese mech on sludgefist? Like is it a dps loss to do that vs a phant pot during 1st pillar?

[slow marsh]

First leggo doomblade while planning to do keys?

[limber swallow]

zoldyck for keys

[thin trout]

why do I see some people do 100k with phantom fire and im doing like 40k

[slow marsh]

Cuz theotar is broken

[loud trench]

It crit

And that

[strange python]

who said i was planning on doing keys lol? i just asked a question about crimson tempest

raid is my main focus but i still wanna do keys

[slow marsh]

Like literally most all the top parsers right now are abusing a broken mechanic on theotar, I wouldn't worry much about it

[slow marsh]

Literally you said it

[loud trench]

Yea which is why I’m wondering if it’s a dps loss to do that vs saving it for the 1st pillar in m sludge

[slow marsh]

I doubt it's a loss with how busted it is in general

[loud trench]

Yea

[strange python]

i said if i brought crimson tempest for m+, to specify i wasnt just running crimson tempest on a ST fight.

either way the question was answered

[slow marsh]

Yep

[bleak sun]

What is the current tricks with theotar btwt ?

[balmy condor]

take the potion duration

drink a potion

swap back to nadjia before the pull starts

[bleak sun]

Oh OK

[limber lion]

Very interactive and poggers gameplay

[dapper zodiac]

is dauntless duelist the best option to take on sin rogues at nadjas?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dapper zodiac]

alright

even for m+?

[balmy condor]

no

double potency on nadjia for m+

[worthy moth]

nadjia has the mastery thing

perfect for us

[limber lion]

That's Theotar.

[balmy condor]

that's theotar

nadjia is haste

also don't say "has the mastery thing" and "perfect for us" in the same breath

that makes my skin crawl

[odd hazel]

Is there another osh in our mists

[limber lion]

Careful with your words, don't want to upset the mastery community figure.

[odd hazel]

I’ll just link my superior gloves

[balmy condor]

color me scared

[odd hazel]

[limber lion]

he might... he might even... you

This Night Fae campaign is too fucking long. It's so painful, just end me

[royal lantern]

you say mastery is bad, yet my STATWEIGHTS says its the best stat

curious

[odd hazel]

cant tell if sarcasm or

[balmy condor]

that's the best argument tbh

[royal lantern]

turningpoint #assassination

[balmy condor]

"whispyr you say mastery sucks but my character with 100% crit, 400% haste, and -25% mastery says that mastery is good, what's up with that"

[odd hazel]

is mastery even like

"better" then other stats at max ilvl

because im 220 and its still the lowest for me

[royal lantern]

all stats for sin are so close overall

there is real stat goal

its litearlly just "take the highest ilvl" cus of agility

[odd hazel]

well, at like

226

the stats have to atleast matter at that point

[royal lantern]

eh, can check after my raid if you want

@odd hazel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrofT7FrAr5F2RLhHa7Hn9

cus you asked

but like, remember

somone has a different neck->stats change allready etc....

statweights are just meaningless

[odd hazel]

yeah, its just cool seeing them.

[limber lion]

I haven't simmed statweights since 8.0

And I recommend you refrain from doing so as well

And so does even the entire Raidbots website

[odd hazel]

i dont follow it. but i do it when im bored

and want to go

[royal lantern]

ye same ceve lol

[odd hazel]

"is mastery still bad"

yeah still bad

[royal lantern]

i think last time i did statweights was like 4years ago

[fleet whale]

I used stat weights sometimes as i gear up

just too see how much stronger they get vs primaries

[limber lion]

8.0 changed the pack a bit because haste was our worst stat in Legion then it suddenly became our best stat, so that was interesting to see.

But statweights and statweight sims are useless garbage.

Literally all you would ever need is Top Gear and Droptimizer.

[frail fossil]

almost like secondaries are almost irrelevant as long as u got ilv

[stoic needle]

Love that my memes live in the heads of the community rent free

[frail fossil]

[stoic needle]

[south geode]

whats the go to cove for 9.1?

[balmy condor]

no clue yet

necro seems good

[limber lion]

Necro gamers here.

[south geode]

ima jsut go through and do all the campaigns preemtively

[white kestrel]

am new to Assassination
what simc should i run
DUNGEON SLICE
or
Patchwerk multi target

for mythic+

[limber lion]

Well you should sim a lot of things and make the choice between the talents/gear yourself

But Dungeon Slice is a good start

[white kestrel]

ty ❤️

[limber lion]

If you want to focus on AoE, you can sim 5-6 target 1min sim without raid buffs.

[undone eagle]

When do you guys think 9.1 is coming?

I doubt in june..

[cosmic haven]

thx bro ! srry late response, work all day and bbq haha

[cosmic haven]

i thought, mid july

[limber lion]

Probably July or early August.

[undone eagle]

Rumors that the release patch got exposed somewhere that its coming out 28th June

I think its fake , i just heard it from a mate

But blizzard would most likely tell us a month before ~ about release date i guess

[drifting cloud]

no they wouldnt

they literally never do

[undone eagle]

Why not? Would be stupid tbh

[drifting cloud]

you get 1-2 ptr release candidates

what do you mean stupid, have you played the game last 2 xpacs?

[undone eagle]

Nope

Haha

[drifting cloud]

theyre always announced like 10-14 days earlier

[undone eagle]

Okey I see

Cheers

[drifting cloud]

until you get a ptr build with marked as release candidate

but 28th june isnt out of realm of possibility, might be a week later, and raid isnt releasing with patch anyways

but 2-3 weeks after it

[limber lion]

Yeah, Blizz are a bunch of dummies when it comes to patch release dates.

I'm making plans for July already, it's gonna be a grand ol' time when the patch suddenly drops in the middle of July

[undone eagle]

Same here Cev ill be on vacation during july haha

Gonna sit there watching streamers enjoy the new patch 😦

[pale fossil]

Do you guys use MA or Sub in M+? I've been playing Outlaw for keys, so catching up haha

I know EP/Vigor/CT is generally preferred.

[gusty mirage]

subterfuge

[pale fossil]

Is Vigor preferred over MfD?

[gusty mirage]

si

[pale fossil]

Porque

[gusty mirage]

helps you get your bleeds up

[pale fossil]

Ah yeah that checks out

[gusty mirage]

yeah until you get all your bleeds going your energy regen is miserable

so vigor helps with that

[odd hazel]

Isn’t MFD better but feels AWFUL to play with subterfuge

[compact pumice]

Worth to know is that MFD sims better. But you would likely have to practice to actually perform better.

Vigor is feelcrafty, feels nice but isn't actually better. But it is not that far behind so most people use it in M+ where there's so much else to think about anyway

It's all about sniping MFD with mouseover on kill targets. While also doing it with SBS. It's just a lot of shit to do.

[gusty mirage]

????

[compact pumice]

It at least used to be the case 😮

Is it gear dependent?

Strike that then. just Sim what talents to use

[gusty mirage]

yeah covenant dependent too I think

[stoic needle]

mfd feels fine, it's just a bit overwhelming with sbs

[gusty mirage]

complete feelcraft: I think venthyr would benefit more from mfd

[tulip nacelle]

afaik you use mfd only with ns and ma

[stoic needle]

you only energy starve with subterfuge if you try to go for 4 garottes on the opener instead of 3

[gusty mirage]

yeah you try to snapshot a NS CT

[stoic needle]

not really, MFD is technically better than vigor without the NS CT build, but people just don't like playing it 😛

[gusty mirage]

good edit 😛

this discussion just further reinforces to always sim yourself & dif talent options tbh

but 0.4% dif is small enough to play what you like more

[compact pumice]

Vigor is close enough and you never have to think about it so it's just a smart choice

[stoic needle]

yeah like i don't find mfd to be impactful enough to be worth the extra effort

[limber lion]

Just play whatever the fuck you want.

Who cares.

[gusty mirage]

I want to test some stuff out w/ mfd, maybe when I help friends out with their 15s

[compact pumice]

Taking a pretty high APM talent like MFD in its place would have to be a significant boost in overall damage and/or benefitting a certain tactic/style

[gusty mirage]

if you can snipe mfds consistently I feel like it can be huge

[limber lion]

Even if the difference was like 5%

Who cares

That 5% is not going to be the deciding factor whether or not you time a key

[stoic needle]

lets go dashing scoundrel MP Venom rush PB

[limber lion]

Go for it

Have fun!

[gusty mirage]

god that reminds me of this dude I used to run with in bfa

[silent fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aBdqZFcBAZkpVRzadB1ACB

[stoic needle]

that sounds like the worst m+ build ever

[limber lion]

I might do that in a 20 just for the memes

[silent fossil]

[gusty mirage]

"Maybe you should stack mastery and play master poisoner"

[limber lion]

Why not

[gusty mirage]

I was like "Maybe you should learn how to not turn your back to bosses and I'll consider your opinion"

[compact pumice]

5% is enough to make someone practice and get better with a playstyle for sure. People swap covenants for less!

[stoic needle]

its very possible that we run DS in m+ next tier

[gusty mirage]

w/ deathspike?

I can see it happening

[stoic needle]

just in general

but yeah especially with deathspike

[gusty mirage]

depends on how high crit we get tbh

[stoic needle]

it's going to be very high

the two crit rings from raid are 10%+ crit alone

[gusty mirage]

assuming they go live like that

[stoic needle]

i don't see why they wouldn't

[gusty mirage]

because blizzard

[compact pumice]

DS feels real good tbh. It's slower but it feels like you overcap from Seal Fate less and just knowing about the 5% on finishers feels good

[limber lion]

hard disagree

fuck that talent

[gusty mirage]

cev's a ep/vigor gamer

[silent fossil]

same

[limber lion]

Each to their own

[gusty mirage]

I'll miss you when I go back to being a pirate in m+ in 9.1 @limber lion

[silent fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6nVgxqXRrWNADfvCkzDqnU the gain from bs/ds isn't worth how nice vigor feels because

[stoic needle]

your gear is amazing and i hate you

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Deathspike separating us even more

[stoic needle]

[versed mica]

Should I even be worried about parses at this point? My guild is a casual guild, so I can't cheese parses

I do decent overall, but for my bracket apparently I'm trash?

[gusty mirage]

are you trying to hop guilds? or do you plan on raiding with your current guild next tier?

[limber lion]

For your bracket?

As in ilvl?

[versed mica]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Listen my boy

Stop

[versed mica]

I'm 224

Hm?

[limber lion]

Stop looking at ilvl parses

Never ever look at them

I remember one day getting a 99 overall parse and a 81 ilvl parse

Says something about the system.

All you care about is the overall parse

You never ever look at ilvl parses or wipe parses

[indigo mulch]

They are super fun to look at when your like i level 200 in HC, you only have to press your rotation right to get a 100 log

😄

ilvl log that is

[gusty mirage]

if you plan on sticking with your guild, don't worry too much about parses

[limber lion]

My ilvl parses are pretty sick in heroic

[versed mica]

I raided with the same guild last expack, got really good parses

[gusty mirage]

there's so much theotar cheese & external cheese right now that high parsing is insanely difficult

high being high orange/pink/100

[limber lion]

Any ilvl parsers in the chat?

[gusty mirage]

[odd hazel]

tbh, Oxi has seen my raid and i need OUT fam

[gusty mirage]

it def aint pretty

[odd hazel]

i look at ilvl to make my self forget

[versed mica]

Basically, I'm always fine if I get purple or higher, that's all I care about. That's my goal

Been getting more blue parses than not this expack

[gusty mirage]

yeah you could get purples without externals/cheese

[limber lion]

Good, as long as it's the overall parse you're looking at and not ilvl

[gusty mirage]

just need competent guildies so your kill times aren't miserably long

[odd hazel]

@gusty mirage im gonna pug heroic clear and get my parses up to forget about the boomie.

[gusty mirage]

3.1k dps from a convoker

[versed mica]

My guild is a casual guild of friends, so I won't be leaving, but they aren't always the best lol

But yeah, I can feel a bit down after working my butt off to practice and do the rotation right just to get a blue parse

My ilvl parses are in greys and greens

[limber lion]

Link your logs

[gusty mirage]

don't worry about ilvl parses

[limber lion]

Let's take a look

[versed mica]

But apparently I shouldn't look at those

[limber lion]

Like my boy listen

[gusty mirage]

ilvl parses are a very niche thing to look at, and largely useless tbh

[limber lion]

I've had orange parses before

That were grey

in ilvl

[odd hazel]

ilvl parses are nice to look at but a lot of people cheese

[limber lion]

Does that make sense to you?

[odd hazel]

so overall is better

[versed mica]

One moment, on my phone cause no internet

[limber lion]

Getting a 95+ in overall but a grey ilvl parse?

[odd hazel]

how

[limber lion]

Does that make sense to you?

[odd hazel]

does that happen

[versed mica]

Yeah that makes sense

[limber lion]

How does that make sense?

[versed mica]

Except it doesn't lmao

[odd hazel]

you think the overall would be grey and ilvl be orange

[limber lion]

Please explain

I would love to hear it

[versed mica]

I misunderstood, no it doesn't make sense

[gusty mirage]

easy, in your ilvl bracket everyone cheesed the fuck out of 99/100 parses

[limber lion]

So the reason it's grey

Is because there's very few people at the same ilvl bracket

So if there's 10 people and 9 of those perform better than you, you'll get a grey parse

Even if you got a 95+

That just means that everyone in your bracket got a 95+

It doesn't mean that you perform better or worse comperatively

You're still in the top 5%

Even though you somehow managed to get into a small bracket where everyone pumps

And ilvl parses are easily inflated by just removing a piece of gear or using a low ilvl waist/wrists or whatever

You're 229 geared with bis items, remove a belt and boom you're suddenly 215

[gusty mirage]

hey now

if I switch to ilvl parses my parses look better

[versed mica]

Okay, that makes sense

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Do you think it's fair for the people who are actually 215 competing against people who are mythic geared

But are just missing one item

They still have more stats

Better items

better weapons

Better trinkets

But they're just missing 50 agility from a belt slot

Just, never look at ilvl parses

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion I'm now a supporter of ilvl parses

[limber lion]

Wipe parses are fine to look at sometimes, but don't get too attached

[versed mica]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/wyrmrest-accord/guliel
Here's my character's page, I don't have any particular fights I want looked at, but if there's anything I could do better on lmk

[gusty mirage]

vs overall:

[versed mica]

I will always have a bad parse with Denny bc that's a hard fight

[limber lion]

Artificer is poop

[versed mica]

Oh, this is heroic parse btw, we casual I don't do mythic

[gusty mirage]

your parses are fine tbh

[limber lion]

It's my worse parse as well

[gusty mirage]

every kill we've had it was me, 2 tanks, and 1 healer alive for the last 2 minutes

[limber lion]

Same.

It's always a chaotic experience

[gusty mirage]

we have a hunter who doesn't know what lock rocks or health potions are, or turtle

its actually kinda sad

[versed mica]

Oh god, we have a bad hunter in our guild too

[odd hazel]

do you want to see my guild? it cant be as bad.

[versed mica]

He works mandatory overtime, and is probably an alcoholic, and he's like

The worst player I've seen

[limber lion]

Funnily enough I have 2 98 ilvl parses even though they are 99 overall

Fun

[odd hazel]

tbh i feel parses are

50% you and 50% your team not being stupid

[limber lion]

Nah

It's a combination of a lot of things.

It's not as black and white.

[odd hazel]

its not always great getting tagged by xymox mechanics 15 times in a row as sin

[limber lion]

Gear, talents, performance, mechanics, cheese, team, padding, fight length etc.

The list goes on and on

[versed mica]

Makes sense, for some reason this raid tier has been harder than usual for my guild

There are mechanics people just don't always do right

[odd hazel]

like

my guild

will clear heroic GREAT one week

then the next, struggle on hungering some how

explain it to me

[versed mica]

Same here, we either flawlessly kill hungering, or wipe 5 times

[odd hazel]

actually, we've only cleared Denny once as a guild

[versed mica]

Noninbetween

[compact pumice]

Hungering is a lot of personal responsibility. It's a bit forgiving but if the same "bad" people get mechanics too much it can be a wipe for sure

Used to hit Hungering's Enrage timer on one of my guilds

[odd hazel]

people get beam and sit in group

[compact pumice]

There was... a lot of deaths due to not paying attention to some mechanic.

Sometimes it feels like a detriment to bringing one or two of the people since they will die twice during the fight which actually wastes the CR for other people who perform

[versed mica]

For my guild wipes tend to come from multiple instances of two people with beams on one side, and they keep going back and forth to not hitting each other, therefore killing both of them

[odd hazel]

easy: just run and stop, make people move instead of dancing

[silent fossil]

https://i.imgur.com/BL397VG.png ilvl
https://i.imgur.com/VKd5Ipm.png non ilvl lol

ilvl is

[limber lion]

My ilvl parses are pretty good, but I still hate the system

It's very dumb and too many people rely on it

I mean, the premise of the system makes sense

But it just doesn't really work lol

[gusty mirage]

I think people just don't understand it

[limber lion]

Yeah. It's just not a fair comparison most of the time

[gusty mirage]

imo it's the issue of too much info and not really understanding what to do with it

ilvl parses CAN be useful, but the instances of it being useful are so far inbetween

[limber lion]

People usually just take whatever number pops up at face value without taking into account what goes into it.

[gusty mirage]

yea

I agree though, I think it's a dumb system as well

kinda like the wcl "leaderboard" parses for keys

lol

[limber lion]

Yeh

[odd hazel]

how do you even aprse well in keys

just time it fast?

[stoic needle]

pad

[limber lion]

Do a high key

They are tied to the key level and length

[zealous marsh]

Bonespike on single target rotation usage is like on cd or more like „muti didn’t gave me 4 cp let’s make it 5 with bonespike”? Asking coz rerolled and i need to figure it out

[limber lion]

You use it during Gemstone procs.

You don't fill combo points or use it during Shiv or anything like that

You just dump everything during Gemstone.

[zealous marsh]

Oh so i need some sort weakaura to track gemstone

I mean on the middle of my screen

[limber lion]

Yep pretty much

[zealous marsh]

Let’s say for huntsman

I open and wait for gemstone too?

[limber lion]

You dot both targets

Then you wait for gemstone

Barghast spawns, you dot it up, then you wait for gemstone

[zealous marsh]

And repeat

[limber lion]

You always want to make sure everything around you has SBS on em

1. Use to apply the dot
2. Use during Gemstone
3. Use to avoid capping

That's pretty much the priority list for it.

[zealous marsh]

Great now, to test it on reclear and wish to not fuck it up during sire

Thanks for the tip

[limber lion]

[zealous marsh]

[pallid jay]

in aoe for m+, do i maintain snd at all times?* or is there a mob count that I should drop it?

[limber lion]

Yes, you want to always maintain SnD with Envenoms.

You never drop it.

[pale fossil]

If Rupture, CT, Garrote, and/or SnD are dropping off around the same time, what's the priority list?

[silent fossil]

i think you should avoid that scenario happening

[limber lion]

SnD > CT > Garrote > Rupture

[pallid jay]

Sometimes I have ruptures/ct that are going to drop, do I just ignore those and hit the 4-5 cp envenom?

[limber lion]

I mean you should always think 10s ahead so situations like those don't happen.

But yes, you would Envenom even if that means that CT/Ruptures drop.

[pallid jay]

ok ty

[grand kiln]

Hey fellow Sin Rogues. I'm gonna raid soon for the first time and I cant make heads or tails of the talent choices I'm seeing. What exactly decides whether one goes Blindside or Elaborate Planning on bosses? Is it just a personal taste thing?

[limber lion]

It comes down to a few things:

1. EP/Vigor is easier and more comfortable to play, which is why a lot of people default to it. A lot of people despise Deeper Stratagem, so they have better results with Vigor. Call it placebo.

2. BS/DS generally performs better on single target, but loses whenever you add more targets to the encounter. BS/DS is perfect on bosses like Hungering Destroyer, but not so much on stuff like Council.

3. EP/Vig is also the better overall choice if you do not want to swap talent setups between every single boss as the talent setup performs well on every boss.

4. And simply it just sims better or very similarly to DS/BS for many profiles, especially for Necrolords.

[gleaming tiger]

hi guys anyone here using afenar wa can help me with how can i change colors of combo points

when i change its not changing

[grand kiln]

Ok so far so good. I actually didnt even consider DS. so DS is supposed to be paired with with BS i assume to use the BS procs to safely get to the 5/6 CP (depending on crit) without risking to waste CP or how come this is the combination to go for?

[limber lion]

The combination just sims better. Blindside is pretty much just free energy/combo points, which goes well with Deeper Stratagem's higher combo point pool and lesser energy regeneration that you lose from not playing Vigor.

[violet hemlock]

as necro is sbs outta stealth better than mutilate?

[limber lion]

You apply the dot as your first gcd, but you would use Mutilates during Master Assassin windows.

[grand kiln]

Oh! yes this makes absolute sense. So BS with Vigor would be overkill without enough payoff i would assume then. Well for my first raid I might as well play it safe and go with EP and Vigor tbh

[limber lion]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend Vigor + BS for most. It's very prone to capping energy, especially if you follow the normal pooling rules.

EP/Vigor is a safe bet for sure. :)

[grand kiln]

cool thanks for the help. I'm gonna read up again on proper pooling behaviour because it has been a while, but I should be doing fine with this info already (Its only heroic anyway)

[limber lion]

No worries! Pooling is very simple, you just build to max-1 combo points and then you pool energy to around 30 from cap before using Envenom.

You follow the usual bleed application rules, so if bleeds enter pandemic you would reapply them.