assassination

[strange python]

gotcha thnx

@shy dust what if ur bopped in p3?

and pop cloak at the same time

[shy dust]

Cloak does nothing against massacre

In p3*

Bop stocks the knock back

[strange python]

ok ty

[hollow river]

Doesn’t cloak stop knock back

[strange python]

ive been using shadowstep for that

but we only just started p3 so i dunno if its better to hold for blood price for one of the harder overlaps

[shy dust]

No

Not in M sire

I haven’t done heroic in a while so I don’t remember

[earnest remnant]

yea cloak works on the hc knockback but not the mythic version

[misty zenith]

For some reason I suck so badly on mythic hungering

[brisk drum]

cloak the consume

[misty zenith]

I just tilt and suck at uptime on everything

[tropic ocean]

u can hardcheese hungering

if u kill in 2 consumes

vial heal pot healthstone first one cloak 2nd one

never move out with expunge

and ull have full uptime

[misty zenith]

Hi, u must not know my guild

Who can never ever kill that shit in 2 consumes 😄

[tropic ocean]

well if u take 3 you can cloak -> pot/hs/vial-> cloak

if you are not assigned to soak orbs with cloak that is but for maxmizing uptime its great

[swift sigil]

Hey! Planning on re-rolling assassination rogue next patch. Focusing on raiding, which covenant is recommended as I’m kyrian atm

[untold nest]

Venthyr is better ST (doesnt mean better for raiding) necro better in aoe/cleave and gives u option to play necro leggo for m+. However we are more than a month away from 9.1 so who knows

My gut tells me necro prob safer pick, but thats as good as askin a magic 8 ball atm :p

[twin stag]

Do many people use Doomblade in m+? it says its 2nd best in the pins

[tulip nacelle]

doomblade is bad for m+

[slender berry]

only use doomblade if you cant craft zoldyck/ma because no ash

[dark crag]

Zoldyck on pants?

[tulip nacelle]

yes

[odd hazel]

Man, raiding with my guild feels so bad. the fights take so long. MY PARRSSESSS

[spice spire]

Faction diff

[odd hazel]

i did do 4.9k on shriek though. that was like a 82 parse lmao

listen, im happy im just not a blood elf

[spice spire]

Deece.

That reminds me - I finally found a good transmog for mecha gnomes, wanna hear your thoughts

What do you think?

[odd hazel]

LOLOLOL

10/10 would wear it

hm

what racials do vulpera have? i didnt expect them to be decent looking at blood mallet

seems vulp/orc are the "best" ones

[spice spire]

Bag of tricks - random camp racial - and tbh I forget the final bit

[odd hazel]

dude

extra bag slots

10/10

gotta decide early when i switch back to horde.

i'll most likely go orc though.

[spice spire]

But if you leave alliance, what will RH bully you about?

[odd hazel]

i'll just be a vulpera so you can call me a furry

not gonna lie though

for like

convenience

vulpera are 10/10 for racials.

[spice spire]

Goblin obviously the play

[odd hazel]

gotta get that rocket jump

[spice spire]

Nah, best looking race by far

[raven vapor]

Thinking of changing to Venth for raiding, is it worth doing now or waiting to see how 9.1 plays out? - currently Night Fae

[odd hazel]

its worth doing now if you really want to switch but, necro might be the way to go since the raid next tier is barely any ST

[raven vapor]

good point, i'll go Necro then (my preferred covenant looks wise anyway) and it'll be better cleave for m+

thanks

[odd hazel]

the necro leggo is nuts too

so win win

[slender berry]

if you are up for it the play might be to go venthyr , go renown 40 and then go necro

so in case you wanna go venthyr later on in 9.1 you dont start from 0

[odd hazel]

Yeah, it doesnt take long to get to atleast 31 either so this is like a perfect time to do that.

❤️ migel for the win

its the yoshi picture.

[slender berry]

biiig yoshi

[spice spire]

There’s also covenant catch up next tier, isn’t there?

[hazy crater]

Yeah

[edgy pawn]

any sims on how good the shards of domination effects in 9.1 are?

[odd hazel]

not yet, we cant sim the gems yet

[edgy pawn]

ah

too bad

thanks

[peak haven]

Hey guys, as a new player to wow and rogue being my first class (I'm just about to max) should I be going venthyr since I came to the game so close to 9.1

[spice spire]

Venthyr or Necro are both fine options. It depends on what you like better/plan to do. Going into next tier Necro seems better but it’s not huge so it’s largely preference

[scenic root]

Are their any good WA to track CT?

[odd hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[odd hazel]

i mean

if you want to be that way, you could just easily look it up on wago.io

:^)

[stiff geyser]

ST question with elaborate planning and crimson tempest: after I have empowered garrote and rupture on target the prio is CT outside of shiv windows and then envenom inside of it?

[spice spire]

Correct

Maintaining your bleeds (specifically CT) outside of your shiv windows is optimal.

[stiff geyser]

Idk why but shiv makes the rotation so much better

It’s like a mini cool down

^litrrally

[odd hazel]

by the way, im staring at the first weak aura ( afenar's ) and it includes CT

[spice spire]

I also use plater for keeping bleeds in m+ situations

[odd hazel]

he deleted a message, pretty much saying i was putting in zero effort trying to help him

[stiff geyser]

Rip son. Man wanted to be spoon fed a WA

[spice spire]

Toxic. We help those who help themselves

[odd hazel]

Couldnt bother to actually look at the WA that actually tracks everything we have

[stiff geyser]

Lmao

[spice spire]

I have it and still cba plater is the truth

It’s useful for CP only for me

[odd hazel]

does plater interact with ELVUI?

[spice spire]

Yes, it replaces the bars

[stiff geyser]

Idk I use KUI and it overrides

[odd hazel]

i might have to try it out.

[spice spire]

A little pop up happens and says “do you want this or that as your nameplates?”

[odd hazel]

people keep saying they use it. so might as well try it

[spice spire]

Thing is, I use plater and my setting is essentially KUI default

[stiff geyser]

KUI is nice. Never tried plater

[peak haven]

I know solo pvp isn't massive in this game but that's just what I like to do in open world

So I wonder which would be best for me

[cerulean junco]

Necro

[peak haven]

Because of the shield?

[spice spire]

Shield + keeping people in combat + bone spike does a healthy amount of damage

Venthyr also has strong burst tbh

So either covenant works

[pure moth]

I don't like the forgeborne reveries. I wish it wasn't the first on the tree

[peak haven]

My style is more of a gank, fast as possible kills

[amber mountain]

Then you probably want Venthyr Sub?

but all of this should be in #pvp, you'll get a higher concentration of knowledge there

[peak haven]

Ah I see thanks!

[odd hazel]

@spice spire does plater have a lot of custom options?

been debating moving away from ElvUI and just using bartender and a name plate option.

[spice spire]

Quite a few, I’d ask some of the other regulars here about the options they use, I found a string and used it and it’s been great for me - so I haven’t done a lot of customization work in the ads on

[plain thistle]

plater is basically WA for nameplates, you can do pretty much whatever you want

[hardy dagger]

@strange python for P3 sire overlap I made a shadowstep macro to target my warrior guildie. Basically you just wait for the knockback and then spam the macro.

[jade raven]

On sire, if you want pure ST damage, would you choose poison bomb or crimson tempest for extra bleed?

[hollow river]

CT because it’s a movement heavy fight

Is what most people do

[slender berry]

crimson tempest gains a bit of value compared to poison bomb since sire moves around a lot , if you use zoldyck crimson tempest is even ahead by simdps in p3

[jade raven]

so on a scenario where you get PB at intervals where he stays put, PB should hypothetically pull ahead? (min/max scenario)

[slender berry]

if you have 100% uptime on pb ( which you realistically have no control over) and you dont use zoldyck sure its ahead

[jade raven]

thanks

[slender berry]

also maybe you dont wanna worry about keeping up CT

since the diff isnt alot you can also just use pb

[jade raven]

yep that was my idea plus I'm not used to using CT for single target

[slender berry]

yea if you play suboptimally with CT and only care about single target just go PB

[dark crag]

CT also pumps in p2

[split veldt]

Generals finally died last night, 321 pulls

[plain thistle]

[vestal wren]

congrats

[split veldt]

Ty ty

[untold nest]

And i thiught we were slow with 166 xD for post nerfs

[carmine token]

321 pulls? holy hell

[timber basalt]

my guild is at 200 pulls and we haven't seen p2 intermission

on 2 day a week schedule btw

[slow wadi]

Think we killed 150ish before shield / goliath nerf

Don't ppl use weakauras to tell em what to do or what is causing that much struggle to reach 300+ after all changes 😮

unless its like reform guild sametime i guess and new ppl all the time

[alpine latch]

If I make a macro that is

/cast Ambush``` could I use that for the same key? I never run Blindside AND CT, so if I can make this a one-button thing, that would be ideal.

Or will it try to cast CT and since I don't have it just fail?

[tulip nacelle]

I would use a talent conditional

[alpine latch]

They are on different rows, though

[tulip nacelle]

yea you should be able to it regardless

I mean

have you tried it?

[alpine latch]

No, at work and just thought about it

[novel fox]

guys i am playing assa at the moment there is a good addon to see the dots on the target?
i am using flyplatebuffs but is confusing

[thorny pond]

Plater

[alpine latch]

Delete flyplatebuffs and use Plater for your nameplates

!plater

!nameplates

wtf is the command

[gusty mirage]

A good plater profile is a godsend

[thorny pond]

Accidentally did a 15 key with MA instead of subterfuge. Felt kinda poggers since the tank pulled big

[gusty mirage]

I don't think we have one for nameplates

[alpine latch]

I thought we did but who know

I'm not very awake today... 3 day weekend

I went hard last night and got slammed with work this morning. Big mistake

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle has a good plater profile if you want something to help track bleeds better: https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB

[thorny pond]

Every rogue in this channel is gonna have the same looking UI

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Lmao

[novel fox]

thank you very much guys

[alpine latch]

Once I can finish my Plater profile, I plan on releasing it. I'm ALMOST done with it, I just need to tweak two more things.

[spice spire]

I just use the KUI default in plater like the degenerate I am

[thorny pond]

"The Gang Crowdsources a UI"

[alpine latch]

It was a bitch getting a "is stunnable" filter

Any mob that's stunnable has a border around it

[gusty mirage]

yeah but we you anyway

[spice spire]

Makeitquake s*mps

[tulip nacelle]

it works

[terse talon]

Theres a good No Rupture mod u can get... Enemy nameplates missing rupt are green and turned red when the dot is applied. Pretty nice in m+

[tulip nacelle]

just need a showtooltip conditional

such as: #showtooltip [talent:1/3] ambush; Crimson Tempest

[hollow river]

I like this idea but my current plater mod uses purple for every important interrupt target in m+

[terse talon]

isnt it the cast bar that turns purple/yellow?

[gusty mirage]

nah the profiles now actually make the nameplate blue or purple to show it

[terse talon]

Ok because I have the healthbar turned green/red depending on rupture applied or not. The the actual castbars are yellow when interuptable and purple if my interrupt will manage to get off cd before cast is complete

[polar cape]

Do people use deathly shadow pre pull or not worth for sin

[hollow river]

No the health bars are purple, and the cast bars of the interrupt spells are a bit bigger/brighter

[terse talon]

Then I suggest you change 😬

[hollow river]

Nevar

[terse talon]

haha

[hollow river]

Interrupt is like my biggest downfall in m+ atm, I’m still new to the game

[gusty mirage]

no you want synergy between vanish & vendetta

so it kinda throws things off for sin

[hollow river]

I have 2 diff WAs for my pandemics.. and going to set up my pandemics to glow on this plater profile as well at some point

[stiff geyser]

Would y’all say 4.4K overall dps as a 204 overall is okay in M+?

[hollow river]

Not too bad at all imo

I’m sure it could be higher idk depends on a lot of things

[gusty mirage]

4.4k is solid esp for 204 ilvl

[stiff geyser]

Cool. No idea how to benchmark myself

[hollow river]

Warcraftlogs

You can log your keys or even just look at other people’s keys around your ilvl

[mortal scaffold]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[limber lion]

I wouldn't worry about it at lower key levels and woth such a low ilvl. Just focus on gearing yourself first. Easier to compare when you're at a higher ilvl

[odd hazel]

Tbh stats don’t get solid until you’re done going agility > anything

[velvet escarp]

is there a definitive guide to openers on multiple targets? if i'm playing with Subterfuge, MfD, and CT, based on the wowhead guide I suppose an opener against 2 targets looks like this?:

MfD -> SnD -> (pull) -> Garrote -> Garrote -> SBS -> Rupture -> SBS -> Mut to 4+ CP -> Rupture -> Mut to 4+ CP -> CT -> Vendetta -> Shiv -> normal rotation -> Vanish -> reapply garrotes...

[balmy condor]

Yeah looks good

[spice spire]

Only thing is Mut changes to fok if >3 targets iirc

[balmy condor]

Alternatively, if you’d like you can run a quick sim with the target count of your choice

And see how that opens

[velvet escarp]

okay cool, thanks!

i guess i should probably learn how to read APLs huh

[balmy condor]

You would also ct before the rupture

[balmy condor]

Quick sims in raidbots give you a sample timeline under the sim

No reading required

[spice spire]

Ahhhh I didn’t even see that he didn’t - my b

[velvet escarp]

ohh oops, so swap first Rupture and CT

[balmy condor]

Not on low target counts

Higher though, yes

It’s similar to the NS logic

Where you would Snapshot a rupture on 2, and CT on 3

[velvet escarp]

i see

and by snapshot u mean applying the "empowered" version and not reapplying until it completely expires?

[balmy condor]

In this case yeah

[velvet escarp]

ok cool, tyvm

[balmy condor]

Snapshotting is basically just having an empowered thing and it maintains some empowerment for the entire duration

So garrotes with subterfuge are “snapshot” because those garrotes have the empowerment, overriding them, or casting additional garrotes don’t have that

Vanishing into a rupture/CT with nightstalker makes that specific cast of that “snapshot” in a similar way

Exsang is the only real “snapshot” left in an old sense of the term

Because when you press exsang, the new tick rate of the dots snapshots haste

So if you have lust and 2000 haste or whatever

And you press exsang

And 2 seconds later, lust falls off, and you only have 500 haste

Those exsang’d dots don’t care, cause they stay at the tick rate from before

Where as normally the tick rates of a normal dot would update dynamically

That’s why haste buffs that lined up in opener were so strong in 8.3

Galecaller + vita + overwhelming power

All stacking into lust

Was like 270% haste

[velvet escarp]

ah i see, interesting interaction 😯 thx for explaining that

[balmy condor]

Np

It’s an interesting interaction for sure

Lot of jank

But even trying to play around it exsang is the worst talent on the entire tree

Kinda unlucky

[velvet escarp]

i never really understood the purpose of it. bleeding out 100% faster means the bleeds do the same amount of damage with the same amount of energy/globals spent to apply those bleeds in the first place? except it takes half the time now to tick down

and then u have to reapply again i presume

[plain thistle]

yes, it does the same dmage 100% faster, in other words

double dps

from those bleeds

[compact pumice]

Bleeding out 100% faster would still be 2x DPS from the dots, with the caveat that it needs refreshing sooner.

If dots were more % of our damage maybe...

[velvet escarp]

yeah so i guess the gain is in terms of time/globals, at the expense of more energy

[compact pumice]

I mean the DPE is still the same, you just need to spend more Energy/min so to say

Well that's not entirely true since Exsang costs energy too so it's a bit less DPE

[velvet escarp]

yeah DPE was kinda what i was wondering about, that makes sense

DPE = Damage per Energy ya?

[compact pumice]

ye

[plain thistle]

dpe is damage per execution no?

[stoic needle]

The idea behind exsang is to give sin some kind of """burst"""

[balmy condor]

We usually use DPET for damage per execute time

DPE isn’t really a thing

[compact pumice]

I mean Exsang is an interesting mechanic and would be fun to play with if it wasn't so badly tuned

[balmy condor]

So damage per energy seems fine

[compact pumice]

Or that row would be less skewed towards alacrity

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen DPE mean both now that I think about it

[compact pumice]

I've never calculated Damage Per Execute Time so haven't even considered it. But have talked about Damage per Energy a bit more so

[balmy condor]

But as the others have eluded to, more ticks in the same amount of time, is more damage

[plain thistle]

yeah, at least in simc dpe is

[balmy condor]

Well the dpet is identical is the point

[balmy condor]

Aha well then there we go

[balmy condor]

So I’m the clown

Aight DPE it is

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

The DPE is the same

[plain thistle]

I never heard damage per energy, thats why I was confused

[compact pumice]

Oh hm. Well in this case it would be kind of the same but Energy would be more specific to Rogues right? Since one execution of Rupture and a Mutilate does not cost the same amount of Energy

But I guess it's harder to normalize over all classes

But what I meant was Damage Per Energy in that sense at least

[balmy condor]

It also doesn’t really make too much sense though since the rupture gives back like 150 energy

[plain thistle]

yeah, I understand what you mean, energy is damage

[stoic needle]

I think it's fine to take VW out of the equation when trying to discuss DPE of abilities

[balmy condor]

Sure, but usually that will heavily devalue bleeds

[compact pumice]

Since you spend energy for Rupture once, then exsang it and the damage per energy is less since you have to spend on both Rupture and Exsang so the total Energy cost is higher in that sense.

But yeah it gives back energy, but it's equal for both versions of rupture (the normal and an exsanged one)

[stoic needle]

Does it though? Rupture is our highest dpe ability not considering vw

[balmy condor]

True

[stoic needle]

Maybe ct is higher

[plain thistle]

sbs is more

[stoic needle]

Sorry I mean damage per energy

[plain thistle]

oh

[spice spire]

SBS GIGA

[stoic needle]

But yeah bone spikes is nuts

[compact pumice]

Bleeds usually are higher DPE (both energy and execution) than instants because the trade off is the damage is done over a longer time

[stoic needle]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Too early in the morning for me

I haven’t had to think about damage per energy in so long

[compact pumice]

It's hard to measure DPE (execution) for SBS though, since technically it's unlimited DPE. The only thing that brings it down is how many times you use it (for single target it's optional). So if you used SBS at the start of a fight and it stays up the whole fight without using it the DPE would be the highest it could be.

[balmy condor]

I feel like that’s quite easy to measure though, you look how much damage you did, and you look at how often you cast it

Isn’t that pretty much as easy as it gets

[gusty mirage]

[compact pumice]

Even though more SBS uses does more damage it increases execution by more.

So 10k DMG / 1 use is more DPE than 12k DMG/ 2 uses. Since the first one puts the dot up forever it just makes it scale more.

[balmy condor]

[compact pumice]

It's easy to calculate but it might be inaccurate to base any decisions on, so the DPET for someone who is bad and only uses SBS once at the start would be higher than someone who uses it multiple times on say Hungering Destroyer.

[balmy condor]

Well yeah but that’s why we don’t base decisions on it

[balmy condor]

Part of what I was eluding to here

DPE isn’t something anyone has to think about to play optimally

It’s purely statistical to sims

[compact pumice]

Yeah. To be honest there are a lot of things you can measure in Sims and many of those things can be very misleading if you misunderstand it.

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[compact pumice]

Like basing decisions on Stat Weights

Seems reasonable enough when you do the sim but very few ideas that come solely from Stat Weights are more accurate than by chance

[balmy condor]

High level discussions when I’m not even out of bed

[velvet escarp]

haha initially i was curious about why Exsang was a dps increase since you have to re-cast your bleeds again after exsang, so i thought it meant the same number of globals & energy spent overall

well abit more, cuz 1 extra global and 25 energy

but then i realised i didn't factor in time

[carmine token]

'sin feels so good on these weeks, mobs actually stay alive long enough to feel useful and get into a rhythm dotting them

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s a common thing

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I remember in 8.3 people had the same logical misstep all the time

[compact pumice]

Imagine if exsanguinate was a buff you cast and then all your dots ticked 100% quicker? Would it be useful then?

[gusty mirage]

probably yeah

[velvet escarp]

haha it all makes sense now, thx all

[balmy condor]

It would be okay I think

[gusty mirage]

but it'd probably be a nightmare to balance

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Good chance it just goes off the rails stupid

[spice spire]

Vein ripper 😡

[gusty mirage]

vein ripper would be a good replacement for exsang with some tweaks, still strip the dots so it doesn't get ridiculous

[compact pumice]

Not for blizzard! The tuning would be: implement it, see if people abuse it, then tune it down a bit.

[gusty mirage]

that's how we ended up with half of our useless talents

[compact pumice]

So I'm not wrong 😄

[balmy condor]

Well it’s harder to tune exsang than normal abilities I feel

Cause it doesn’t inherently do damage

You can’t just make it do 5% less damage, you have to tweak the actual speed of the dots

Which has some whack side effects

[gusty mirage]

I think they'd just have to redesign exsang at this point to make it work

[balmy condor]

Not reapplying as often, so more envenoms/poison damage, the haste snapshot lasts longer, so that’s weird

It’s just a very messy ability

[pure sinew]

do bonespikes actually last forever or does it cap

[gusty mirage]

lasts as long as you're in combat with the enemy

[pure sinew]

so it drops when you die

[balmy condor]

Yeah, either one of you die, or you run far enough away to reset/despawn the enemy

[pure sinew]

and im assuming it stacks? so you can have 3 dots running on the same enemy or?

[balmy condor]

No

1 dot per

[gusty mirage]

its 1 per mob

[compact pumice]

Also if they are healed up to full HP it drops, IIRC

[gusty mirage]

there's also some buggy interactions with it

I think they changed that Anno, but that might just be in pvp

[compact pumice]

Ohh hmm, haven't actually tried it so that may be the case

[pure sinew]

ok so thats why its the weakest in ST

but you still use it for the initial damage right

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s pvp only

With the heal

[gusty mirage]

yeah, if you're playing heimir you dump your excess charges during gemstones

[slender berry]

i think it works that way everywhere now , they used to drop of dummys but now they dont

[balmy condor]

It’s very close to our best single target covenant

[pure sinew]

me myself am a nf gamer

least thought

[balmy condor]

My sim personally has it about 50 behind venthyr

[pure sinew]

press it once every 90 seconds or so

[balmy condor]

Well it’s for sure better than nf single target

[gusty mirage]

ST right now I believe is Venthyr > Necro >= Fae >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyrian

[balmy condor]

Sorta

[compact pumice]

Does it still get as close in 9.1 (preliminary at least)? Since last row on Nadija seems real good for ST

[slender berry]

yea the full life change is not just pvp just checked ( not that the target usually gets healed to full in pve anyway)

[balmy condor]

We don’t know

[balmy condor]

It stays on dummies though

[compact pumice]

At least I have both to 40 now

[balmy condor]

What are you checking that gets healed

[slender berry]

yea thats what im saying

the change is not just pvp

[hollow river]

What would you say if I told you exsang sims higher for me

[balmy condor]

Compared to not having a talent at all?

[gusty shore]

Why is the priority with necro to sbs during marrowed gemstone instead of vendetta, Isn't vendetta a higher increase?

[hollow river]

xD

[balmy condor]

Mut during vendetta for cp

[gusty shore]

Would that not then also apply during marrowed ?

[balmy condor]

Well not quite the same

It’s similar to ambush vs mut where the ambush technically does more damage but isn’t worth using because at the time where you would consider using it, a mut would be better

That being said though, gemstone does proc during vendetta on pull

So we do use it there :P

[cerulean nest]

sbs? ^

[gusty shore]

Serrated Bone Spike

Necro ability

[dull cloak]

sbs crits = bigger dam thats why

[cerulean nest]

no is Whispyr referring to sbs for pull vendetta + gemtstones

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

like dump right away instead of mut?

kk

it makes sense but i havent been sure whether or not to

[balmy condor]

I haven’t looked into sbs usage too much, the gemstone stuff was koji’s doing so I’m sorta guessing on the reasoning

But I do know that it’s just strictly better to put the sbs into gemstone

[gusty shore]

I would have though that % increase would be better for sbs because of the DPET while mut would benifit from the crit because of the double dip for bonus cp

[balmy condor]

Sure but sbs still gives less cp

So during vend you’re only really using it as a low energy cost generator

[cerulean nest]

im usually tunneling my opener for the first few seconds, how early into pull does gemstones usually proc? like before CDS + vanish or after?

[balmy condor]

It’s not pumping out the envenoms as hard as mut would

[balmy condor]

During cds usually

[dull cloak]

just use sbs to fill your last 2 cp durijg vendetta and gemstone

[cerulean nest]

for sure

[gusty shore]

So if your getting more value in general wouldnt you also want to mut in the crit window

And just sbs in downtime

I dont get what makes one better than the other swap with both buffs

[balmy condor]

With both buffs it doesn’t swap

[gusty shore]

I mean with either

[balmy condor]

Best guess would be that sbs is the better ability that you want to empower, gemstone lines up naturally with vendetta, and you cast sbs when you’re already low on energy after the initial vendetta

[heady elbow]

Hey, I'm pretty new to assa rogue only really starting playing it in Nyalotha, is there any one I could talk to regarding my logs and areas to improve on? :)

[gusty mirage]

pretty much any regular here can help out

[gusty shore]

Do they always perma sync

[balmy condor]

Gemstone is 1 min cd, vend is 2

[gusty shore]

I though you had to wait until after the 60s cd to start restacking it

[balmy condor]

Yeah but the stacking is like 5 seconds

Hardly worth mentioning

[heady elbow]

Am I allowed to just post my logs or is that not allowed?

[gusty mirage]

yeah, go for it 🙂

[balmy condor]

Yep go for it

[heady elbow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/47657892 just ignore the last two, may have been given a boost by a friend for gear lol

[balmy condor]

Wasting a ton of cp

Like an TON

[gusty mirage]

looking at your hungering log, you only cast SBS 8 times

[balmy condor]

That’s 15% overcap on mut

[gusty mirage]

oh you died, that's probably why

[heady elbow]

SBS is we only cast if we are about to reach 3 stacks again right?

[hollow river]

What is that 3rd ability lol

[gusty mirage]

sealfate

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the passive

[hollow river]

Oo ok thought that’s what I might be

[gusty mirage]

yes, and you dump charges during gemstones if you're playing heimir or during vendetta to extend Lead by Example if you're playing Emeni

[balmy condor]

Don’t care about the overcap on seal fate

We don’t play around that

But raw overcap on mut

That’s a big no no

[hollow river]

Yeah ik

[heady elbow]

Ah yes I play Emeni just cause Bonesmith is my m+ soulbind and fuck conduit energy

[hollow river]

You use bone smith always don’t you

[gusty mirage]

yea

[heady elbow]

I think I panic sometimes and press mutilate when I'm tryna pool energy and think I'm wasting dps by not pressing shit before shiv/vendetta

[balmy condor]

Then you want to cast sbs to extend lbe during vendetta

[gusty mirage]

heimir > *

[balmy condor]

Then just finish

You don’t have to pool cp into anything

Pooling energy barely matters already

Pooling cp is just a loss

[heady elbow]

Ah okay I get ya, that might help with my mental when I'm thinking on my next shiv window between vendettas

[balmy condor]

Now I’m curious on your shiv casts

[heady elbow]

I fucked up a fair few

[balmy condor]

Yeah 10 casts in 5:20

That’s not great

we use shiv on cooldown

It’s one of the highest priority abilities

If the target has rupture, you slam shiv

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr has hard evidence that you just send shiv on CD

[hollow river]

What if rupture is in pandemic

[gusty mirage]

like no thought behind it

hit that shit on CD

[balmy condor]

You shiv

[heady elbow]

Does shiv take prio over garrote so if I fuck up garrote before it (as I most likely did) I just ignore garrote until shiv has finished?

[gusty mirage]

you try not to refresh bleeds during your shiv window, but if you have to you have to

try not to let your bleeds drop

[spice spire]

Just cast garrote in the shiv window lol. Source of energy

Shiv is really just “pop it on cooldown”

[gusty mirage]

prio for assa is always keep bleeds up

[heady elbow]

I've read about the thing where when you shiv you wanna try and get like 3 envenoms off during it right?

[balmy condor]

You can refresh garrote and rupture during shiv

Rupture isn’t great to refresh during shiv

But it isn’t inherently wrong

[gusty mirage]

not only is it a significant part of our damage, it's passive energy regen for our mutilate->envenom

[balmy condor]

The amount of envenoms doesn’t matter

We don’t care how many

You just hit the shiv

[spice spire]

You’re overthinking it. Just use it on CD 😛

[drifting cloud]

man where are these hidden 3 envenom scriptures

[heady elbow]

Ah okay, I think I've been misunderstanding Shiv

Haha

[gusty mirage]

remnant of BFA

kinda like the "5 bleeds" being necessary

[heady elbow]

Gonna make a new WA that just has big red writing "JUST HIT THE SHIV" when it's off CD

[spice spire]

Whatever works

[heady elbow]

I'm still tryna get PF trinket too, so plenty of time for me to get better at the rotation inbetween

[hollow river]

Could you not make a macro for shiv

[balmy condor]

would heavily suggest not doing that

[hollow river]

Like “if rupt present on target, cast shiv”

[balmy condor]

and no, that doesn't work

[hollow river]

Dang

[balmy condor]

the fact that you have an "if" in there, makes it not a macro

if, then is not able to be macrod

[peak haven]

Guys. I'm having a hard time deciding between doomblade and master assasin and which house thing I wanna pick. Like ven or mal

[hollow river]

So you can’t use a debuff/buffs presence

[balmy condor]

or else we would be able to macro ambush on blindside mut otherwise, rupture on pandemic envenom otherwise, etc etc

[gusty mirage]

doomblade, as for covenant whichever you like better

[balmy condor]

would be able to macro your entire rotation to like 3 buttons

[hollow river]

I thought you could ambush muti macro

[gusty mirage]

necro's better the moment there's a 2nd target on the fight

venthyr is better pure ST

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[peak haven]

I love the shield mal gives but I don't exactly understand what's so good about ven

[balmy condor]

flag is insane damage

[gusty mirage]

flag does a bunch of damage and gives you haste

more haste = good

[balmy condor]

yeh

just a really strong 1:30 cd

[peak haven]

Gotcha. Maybe flag just feels bad right when you get it? I'm doing the last part of sl and just got access to flag but it seems lackluster

[gusty mirage]

flag definitely feels better for sub, because you generate and spend a bunch of CP

but it's still really good for assa

[heady elbow]

Thank you for your help btw, gonna go and try tighten up dat rotation

[hollow river]

!commands

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[peak haven]

I may have to do the shield because I feel like once I do all my dots I'm not really sure what to do

Auto attack lol

[hollow river]

Envenoms

[balmy condor]

build into envenom

[gusty mirage]

you build CP w/ mutilate into envenom

[peak haven]

Ok cool thanks !

New to wow completely so sorry bois

[balmy condor]

np

[peak haven]

Is there anywhere I can find find a basic combo. I mainly plan on doing 1v1, open world style fights. Killing people on the run. Not much of an group player

And I never know when to use shiv

[balmy condor]

pvp is a different beast

I believe there's some basic guides on icyveins/wowhead

but no one really optimizes for world pvp

so would be an arena guide

we also have a pvp channel #pvp

[peak haven]

I saw the icy one but all the combos are assuming you are playing with others so it's no use :(

[timber basalt]

also sub is far better at 1v1ing

[balmy condor]

yeah world pvp is just a mess

you would do an opener

and that's pretty much the gameplay

[peak haven]

I heard the opposite @timber basalt

[timber basalt]

[gusty mirage]

yeah no one plays or builds around 1v1 world pvp, everything you'd find for pvp builds would be made with arena in mind

[peak haven]

From lots of googling

[hollow river]

For 9.1 I believe a lot of sub rogues going sim for pvp

[peak haven]

But idk.

[hollow river]

Sin *

[drifting cloud]

youd shiv when theyre kidneyd or right before since kidney gives you back what like 60 energy

[gusty mirage]

@peak haven check out Palumor's youtube videos. He usually has good breakdowns

[peak haven]

I think ill stick sin anyway. I'm enjoying it much more than I did sub

Sub felt weird and convoluted to me

Like I had no idea what I'm supposed to be doing

[hollow river]

Sub pvp can be very tricky at first lol

[timber basalt]

just google palumor 1dance video

that's all you need to know really for wpvp

[peak haven]

Is that sub or sin

[hollow river]

Sub

Sub is more on demand burst damage

[north basin]

so we will have some orange giga dagger from Sylvanass?

[drifting cloud]

its not orange

[peak haven]

It sucks because If I youtube rogue sub or sin pvp 1v1 there's like nothing

[north basin]

not yet maybe

[peak haven]

It's all group play

So I cant learn from it.

No go guides on 1v1

Maybe im blind

[tulip nacelle]

yea world pvp isn't really content, basically everything is instanced

[timber basalt]

because nobody does world pvp

if you don't count camping outside flight masters or venari

[peak haven]

Still would be nice to know

[drifting cloud]

I mean its sin

[peak haven]

So you know how to do it if you get in one of those situations

[drifting cloud]

you have 2 bleeds and 1 stun outside of cds

[timber basalt]

watch the video i suggested

he goes over that exactly

[peak haven]

Will do thanks man

[timber basalt]

https://youtu.be/vy0KDFSGguI idk if links are allowed

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't mind if sylvanas dropped 2 legendaries but I'm not hopeful that they'll do that

[compact pumice]

I mean you still have CS as Sin. Esp as subterfuge you can open using Garrote, CS and Mutilate in no particular order if you want to.

If you think they are gonna trinket your first stun then there's not really any point in using CPs for KS.

[silent tinsel]

Legendary bathwater trinket

Same drop rate as the Argus trinket

[compact pumice]

That would mean you can use a 5CP KS right after they trinket the stun instead.

I'd recommend using Subterfuge, MFD and use the MA Leggo for solo pvp open world

I guess

The frontloaded damage during MA window is not as huge as Sub but if you get a full KS off the damage you do as Sin is quite good and can be enough to kill most things.

[limber lion]

[silent fossil]

i want whispyr emotes

[silent tinsel]

[crystal lava]

I love the whispyr emotes tbh

[limber lion]

Thanks

[elder flint]

during subterfuge windows, should i mutilate or ambush to fill?

[limber lion]

Mutilate.

Don't press Ambush unless you get a Blindside proc

[balmy condor]

[crystal lava]

Are they personal emotes or do i have to sub somewhere to get em

[limber lion]

Subbing to his twitch might get you the emotes automatically, maybe

Joining his discord might as well, maybe

[lean coral]

Gotta get the onlyfans too

[limber lion]

Asking for them and paying 100 dollars might as well, maybe

[crystal lava]

Ill sub to of

Leggo

[limber lion]

Good luck

[silent fossil]

@limber lion oh yeah i still need your ST cheat codes since i suck at it for some reason

[limber lion]

Hey we're all learning here

It's all gucci

Post a logerino and let's take a look

[silent fossil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/lunaqt#partition=2 i can’t 95 any of the 3 STs

all logs in there

[limber lion]

This HD log would have been a 95+ if the fight lasted for 20 more seconds

Worst possible fight timer right there

[swift grotto]

Can someone explain 2 things to me im not sure im misreading a tool tip or something. Why do we use max -1 combo points and why do we pool on envenom outside of cds?

[balmy condor]

1. mut gives 2 cp, generating on 4 when your max is 5 would overcap 1 cp every time
2. uptime on the buff

[swift grotto]

the timing works out that you just wait for the buff to fall off to pop envenom again?

[balmy condor]

the timing works that if you always pool, you always have maximum uptime

[limber lion]

@silent fossil
Honestly there's 2 things that you need to do to pop off:

1. USE THE THEOTAR POTION CHEESE
2. Better fight length.

Your rotation is great, you don't cap combo points/energy, bleed uptime is great, Shiv usage is flawless

[drifting cloud]

I mean youre just not gonna get 4:20 kill timer in decent guilds

[crystal lava]

Bettet fight length

[drifting cloud]

so you shouldnt rely on them

[limber lion]

But you're fighting against people who all use the Theotar potion cheese, so you really need to do that as well

[crystal lava]

[drifting cloud]

but yeah gl parsing as necro on shriek, arti and hungering

[silent fossil]

should i swap venth to cheese the st fights lmao

[limber lion]

Theotar potion is easily around 200+ dps and it can sometimes pop off and do closer to 400

[drifting cloud]

its not impossible youre just handicapping yourself for like 300 dps min

[crystal lava]

Swap to night fae and be a fox

[limber lion]

I mean, if you want to get high parses on ST, then you should go Venth

That's what I did on Art/HD/Sludge and got 98/99's on all of them

Then just swap back when you're happy

[silent fossil]

might actually do that

my venth is 40 already

[limber lion]

But yeah, most logs are either PI-heavy or just using Theotar

It's really, really hard to parse well as Necro without PI

[silent fossil]

our raid comp changed a bit recently. mage went DH and a boomy went mage for int and one boomy posted out this week so we had 1 boomy on council so i had a shit load of waiter pad

that one was fun

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

then you get a good parse as necro on a venth boss and that somehow makes you even sadder

[wise fiber]

If i wanted to Sim SLG Mythic. what would be the best options? patchwerk 2 - 3 bosses? 9 minutes?

[limber lion]

I mean, the closest thing is 2 target HecticAddCleave, but even that is not really 1-to-1

There isn't really a reliable way to sim for SLG.

[limber lion]

How's it going?

[wise fiber]

Whats the cheese?

[limber lion]

• Use Tome of the Still Mind
• Swap to Theotar with Refined Palate active
• Use a potion in pre-pull (around 3-5s before pulling)
• Swap back to Nadja

[gusty mirage]

I'm doing well sir, I timed a +20 halls last night first time playing wow in 2 weeks and I forgot snd for the first 1/3 of the dungeon. How are you?

[crystal lava]

Lmao Very pog

[wise fiber]

omg is that a thing?

jesus

[limber lion]

Unfortunately.

We try to make as much noise as possible about it so that Blizzard takes notice and nerfs it to the ground

[limber lion]

Who needs SnD if you time it anyways?

I'm good, just very tired. Been a rough few days because of uni and work.

[gusty mirage]

definitely felt it in the dps department, only 6.4k overall

[limber lion]

Sleeping less than 6 hours a night takes a toll

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I feel that, I just took the day off today because I slept 3 hours past my alarm

[limber lion]

But you timed it

Ez

[limber lion]

Good choice

[gusty mirage]

one of these days I'll be a multi-millionaire and all of us can just game all day

[drifting cloud]

[shy dust]

[silent fossil]

[spice spire]

All you need is 3, and an “it be like that sometimes”

Source: I hate my life

[strange python]

Hey do assa players enjoy the downtime in the rotation? Or is that something you wish was different

[limber lion]

Yes, most of us do enjoy the slower gameplay.

If we wanted faster gameplay, we would switch to a different spec/class.

[sinful cradle]

Gives you time to t hink about your next actions and look around the fight

[gloomy fern]

Ofc rae the sin player hangs here

[sinful cradle]

which is kinda nice

[strange python]

Sweet I might try it for keys. I slam pretty good dmg as ww but I die to shit I can’t see a lot

[limber lion]

In keys it gets pretty hectic to be honest.

It's very fast paced on aoe.

[strange python]

Because I’m kinda tunneling rotation since there’s a lot going on with ww

[limber lion]

But who knows, maybe it'll be easier for you and you get it down quick

[strange python]

Yeah I main PvP so I’ve been trying to find which class is best solo, then see how it is for m+

[upper trout]

is sbs on explosives as good as it sounds? 🤔

[limber lion]

Maybe

[odd hazel]

If you have to worry about explosives that much uh oh

But

If it gives you a charge back that sounds giga

[balmy condor]

it doesn't always give a charge back

usually doesn't actually

cause the dot needs to land

and usually the instant hit comes first

[amber mountain]

Yeah, the dot needs to tick to get SBS back, and it doesn't do that on current explosive. It just dies on the initial hit

In my group we typically have a ranged handle the explosives that hit outside the melee range, and the tank or I just target and autoattack the ones in close.

[limber lion]

I honestly just ignore them and assume that my epicly awesome team gets them. I'll help if there's like a lot, but not when there's 1-2

SbS is nutty on Spiteful though

[balmy condor]

Death spike

[limber lion]

Yeh, I played it in raids and it was pretty dank

9.1 waiting room ⌚

[odd hazel]

@limber lion puttin my self out there
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mWtyjx4V9YQTdNqf#fight=53&type=summary&source=691

can you tell me what i could do better?

[limber lion]

I can do tomorrow, but I'm in bed now

[odd hazel]

Ight

[limber lion]

Hard to analyze logs in bed

[odd hazel]

any one can analyze it tbh

you're just usually the one that prints out a paragraph lmao

[limber lion]

I'm sure Whispyr would love to

Yeh, I'm a log bot

🤖

[peak haven]

Guys I cant choose between subjects and assasin...please halp...1v1 pvp...thats it. Thatsball I wanna do.

Please halp

[limber lion]

Take it to #pvp

I'm sure they can help you out

[peak haven]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

quickly skimming over it, it looks good

[odd hazel]

Just curious what things I could do better. I’m 220 and feel I don’t perform as good as I should

[gusty mirage]

Shriek's a weird boss to look at when it comes to a parse % because kill time is so big on parsing well

[odd hazel]

Fuck, my raid lead didn’t log anything useful lmao I wish I had the hungering kill atleast

[limber lion]

Use Theotar cheese

[gusty mirage]

plus your group's dps is kinda pepega

[odd hazel]

Welcome to my life lmao

[gusty mirage]

fire mage doing 2.5k? 217 boomie doing 3.1k?

[odd hazel]

The fire mage was a pug but that bookie is on the raid team

[gusty mirage]

#FreeKrey

[amber mountain]

As a raid lead myself... anyone can log it

[gusty mirage]

brooo you almost out dps'd the bottom 2 dps combined

[odd hazel]

I need to stop being lazy and get the logging thing but he usually does It

[gusty mirage]

I'd say you parsed really well given the potatoes you raided with lmao

[amber mountain]

Yeah, i used to log when i wasn't the raid lead, just so i could learn from it

as for the rogue doing more dps than the bottom 2 dps combined... are you in my guild? Wait, you can't be, I'm the only raiding rogue

[gusty mirage]

yeah your parse would get better simply by adding another good DPS

I didn't go through your casts timeline close but nothing popped out as problematic. Looked perfectly fine

no wasted CP on mutilate, minimal energy waste

[odd hazel]

I was afraid it would just be a raid thing, feelsbadman

[limber lion]

Okay some things

[odd hazel]

[gusty mirage]

oh I guess vendetta popped too early

just noticed that

[limber lion]

1. USE THEOTARS CHEESE - Preferrably with Phantom fire, 1 oil 1 stone
2. Flagellation on cooldown, but hold second Vendetta/Vanish for 3rd flag. That way you don't lose any casts and get to sync the last flag/vend
3. Fix your opener (minor)

[gusty mirage]

cev feeling cheesy

🧀

[odd hazel]

Yeah, what’s the opener again ?
Like mut - snd - mut - garrote ?

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[limber lion]

And Vend after that

You don't really want to pop Vend when you're at max energy and don't have any bleeds up yet

[odd hazel]

As for the cheese. Do you just switch back and forth before pool ?

[gusty mirage]

yeah I think there's a macro for it floating around

[odd hazel]

What’s a good % to pop it? Less then 60?

[limber lion]

You pre-pot with Theotar then you swap

[limber lion]

You just use Vendetta after Rupture

[gusty mirage]

pop it after you finish putting up your first rupture is usually a good call

because you'll be naturally low energy

[odd hazel]

Cool!

100% gonna cheese next time

[gusty mirage]

but yeah besides theotar cheesing and tweaking the opener a bit there isn't much else you can do when you have a boomie pulling 3.1k

[limber lion]

It's hard to parse in a world filled with Power Infusion users and Theotar abusers if you don't use either

[odd hazel]

Also feels bad about that aff lock too

[limber lion]

The cooldown allingment thing is pretty giga and you should definitely fix that.

[balmy condor]

don't drag me into your shit

[gusty mirage]

he does it out of love though

[odd hazel]

tbh, yall are great help.

[gusty mirage]

[odd hazel]

whispyr would be brutal though lmao

[limber lion]

Ended up just doing it myself because our CF's are lazy

[gusty mirage]

nah whispyr's actually super nice

[limber lion]

Hell no

I'm the detailed one here

[gusty mirage]

he's just cranky when people ask shit that are in the pins

[odd hazel]

Make cev a CF

[gusty mirage]

"HOW MUCH HASTE FOR SIN TO WORK???"

[odd hazel]

from now on

just say

"stack in, no matter what"

[gusty mirage]

lights the fire of hell in Whispyr's heart

[limber lion]

Whispyr is the big dick encyclopedia guy

[balmy condor]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[limber lion]

I kid i kid

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I luv u babe

Don't hurt me

[odd hazel]

i think Cev is gonna get the boot lmao

[limber lion]

Man's been putting countless hours fixing apl's

While were here jerking off

[balmy condor]

I was spamming log reviews before you even picked up a dagger as a fucking toddler in your little bouncy crib

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

HEY I was jerking off AND messing around with the apl

[balmy condor]

I can confirm oxi was messing around with the apl

[limber lion]

You're younger than me though

[amber mountain]

So, um, silly question... anyone else run Int on your bracers for funsies?

[gusty mirage]

Still don't know what half of it does, but I'm learnin

[balmy condor]

and he was changing things that I already showed to be gains, and couldn't get gains

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

I was changing the TTD and losing APM

[balmy condor]

I know people run strength and int just for the holy trinity

[limber lion]

I think jumping straight to multi-target TTD's as your first apl-project is a bit of a leap ngl

[gusty mirage]

oh I was for sure out of my element

but it's cool to see how the sims figure stuff out at the ground level

[spice spire]

Big PP Oxi messing with the APL

[amber mountain]

😄

[gusty mirage]

and it gives you an appreciation for the work that the CFs do 🙂

[balmy condor]

babies first APL change should probably be shiv/vendetta

thats the easy one

[odd hazel]

just to summarize.
Fix Opener ( Mut - SnD - Mut - Garrote - Vendetta - Vanish? I cant seem to remember whats supposed to come after but i remember yall saying to line up vanish and vendetta. )

Use theotars cheese

Flag on CD/hold vendetta/vanish for 3rd flag that way they sync/dont loose casts

[balmy condor]

or like

[limber lion]

Yeh. Basically just a huge list of things the apl goes through

[balmy condor]

generator

[spice spire]

Throw him in the deep end, if he drowns, GG get next

[gusty mirage]

I'm a type A personality, I either swim or drown

success or DEATH

[spice spire]

Was that on purpose? LMAO

[limber lion]

--- Gar - Flag - Rupt - Vend - Shiv - Vanish

But yeh pretty much that!

[gusty mirage]

get out of my head @spice spire

[balmy condor]

I throw regulars into the APL regularly and see how hard it chews them up

just for personal entertainment

[amber mountain]

I'm a type sleep personality

[limber lion]

The theotar cheese is pretty huge, so make sure to abuse it while you can

[spice spire]

I like it here

[gusty mirage]

that makes one of us

[spice spire]

That’s evil af LMAO

[gusty mirage]

with the work that whispyr put in on the aoe apl, he needed the personal entertainment to stay sane

[balmy condor]

"hey cev can you check this one thing for me real quick?"

cev losing his mind 2 hours later

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[spice spire]

Whispyr is just trying to get his slave lined up

[limber lion]

It's fun when you start

[spice spire]

Probably what Koji did to him :/

[gusty mirage]

apparently I also did it super hardmode by using the simc desktop app

[limber lion]

Not so much after 2 hours and no gains

[gusty mirage]

whispyr called me a lunatic

[spice spire]

why though

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

dude was like "how do I send these to you"

[gusty mirage]

I didn't want like 30 tabs open in my browser, I traded them for 30 tabs in the simc results tab

[balmy condor]

and they're just raw html files

[spice spire]

My man is out here running sims for throne of Thunder

[limber lion]

Just get a different browser for sims ez

[odd hazel]

is there a reason we do the cheese with phantom fire? and not agil potion?

[spice spire]

Holy

[gusty mirage]

Secret that's not actually a secret: I'm a stubborn dumb ass

[limber lion]

Gamer opera

[limber lion]

It has a chance to pop the fuck off

[balmy condor]

rng high roll

[limber lion]

You use the cheese to rng yourself to high parses

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you're going to cheese you're going to go for the gusto

[limber lion]

PF allows for that

[gusty mirage]

sink or swim

[limber lion]

Consistency is cute, but it won't get you high parses.

[balmy condor]

I have a secret channel in my discord called paint watchers where I start up a sim and we sip tea and wait like an hour for raidbots to finish it

[amber mountain]

lol

[balmy condor]

and oxi is like "guys my 4 core laptop got this!"

[gusty mirage]

oh god

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

good thing they kill that PF shit next patch lmao

[gusty mirage]

don't insult my i7-7700K like that

[spice spire]

Oxi you madlad

[balmy condor]

me sim locally

don't worry

[limber lion]

Didn't fix Theotar yet though

[balmy condor]

won't take all day

[gusty mirage]

HEY

It didn't take all day

it only took like 30 minutes

Per profile

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Some dude one day asked if a better computer would run raidbots sims faster

[gusty mirage]

best part @spice spire I put the same changes into raidbots and got different numbers because I apparently fucked up the settings in the simc desktop app on top of that

[balmy condor]

well it's worse than that

cause we were also simming ptr at one point

and I highly doubt you have a local branch of simc to build

[gusty mirage]

I definitely do not

luckily I only wasted like 2 hours on local simc

[spice spire]

This story is like an ogre, the more layers you pull back the worse it is

At least you learned papi

[gusty mirage]

funniest part about all of this is I have premium raidbots

[limber lion]

Didn't learn enough as he still wants to keep going

[gusty mirage]

so some of the default ones I ran would've been like instant

[spice spire]

Oxi is just s*mping CFs is all

[gusty mirage]

I only simp whispyr

(:

[spice spire]

IT KEEPS GOING

Oh

[gusty mirage]

sorry

Stronger Oxi

[vestal wren]

4 cores, what a chad. I have 2

[balmy condor]

honestly when raidbots says my sim is not eligible for 64 cores

I get pretty irritated

[vestal wren]

you don't rly need to build simc yourself tho

[limber lion]

Nah

[vestal wren]

because you can download from http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/nightly/

[gusty mirage]

which funny enough, you'd think they'd want to pimp out 64 cores for the TCs

more $$$

[balmy condor]

oh yeah true you could

[limber lion]

Just use Raidbots

[spice spire]

Fuu how did you become sentient with only two cores?

[limber lion]

No one uses boomer programs anymore fuu

[gusty mirage]

he failed to mention that each one of his instances in the cloud have 2 cores

[balmy condor]

70ghz cores

[gusty mirage]

this individual build has 2 cores, but there are infinite builds of fuu around the skynet

[limber lion]

We don't sim locally unless we're in a really bad pickle

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

all the beta sims had to be run locally

until like the last month

[limber lion]

Exactly

Pickle

[vestal wren]

well its 4 threads, and most applications are single threaded anyways. So its not rly that bad

if i do bigger compute i usually do it in the cloud

(not talking about simc/raidbots)

[spice spire]

Ahhh that makes sense

[vestal wren]

so my laptop is basically just a ssh/glorified text editor

[gusty mirage]

"the cloud" is fuu speak for skynet

[vestal wren]

i mean wow runs at 20-30 fps in raid

[spice spire]

Does this mean that fuu knows everything that we do

[gusty mirage]

we'll start a gofundme to upgrade your toaster fuu don't worry

[limber lion]

Same

[balmy condor]

you think if I slip serialos a 20, he'd give me perma 128 cores

[limber lion]

I have a RTX 2070 Super

Wow is very good and optimized and great

[spice spire]

Wat how

[vestal wren]

does seri have 128 core mashines in his network?

[spice spire]

Only time I drop hella frames is world boss time

In a full ass group

[limber lion]

Most of the time it's 50-60 honestly, but it drops quite a bit in raid

[gusty mirage]

I have a 3070 and my frames drop like a mofo on sire

[limber lion]

In raids that is

[vestal wren]

i assume he only rented 64 core ones due to lower costs

[balmy condor]

probably not but you could probably take half the profiles and split it across 2 systems

[gusty mirage]

I wonder how much it'd cost to set up a network like that

[balmy condor]

y'all have stream pc's? casuals

I have a server rack for simming

[gusty mirage]

hm

[amber mountain]

Make sure you have WoW set to use your specific card and not set to auto-detect. Making that change fixed the framerate drops I had in raids.

Ha! I play on a gaming laptop 😛 Too lazy to build a PC

[vestal wren]

wdym ?

[gusty mirage]

setting up a cloud computing network like that

[vestal wren]

to rent the servers or physically build local dev mashines

[gusty mirage]

like start up costs of it

renting

[vestal wren]

a 64 core pc is quite expensive

[amber mountain]

Yep, that's about right

though costs are changing with energy prices in most places right now

[gusty mirage]

that's actually not terrible

[vestal wren]

but price depends on the host

[amber mountain]

What would you use it for oxi?

[limber lion]

Mining

[gusty mirage]

I have this crazy idea for the legal industry here in Michigan lol and it'd require some solid computing power

[amber mountain]

Cause storage performance is a big driver of price

In Michigan? Buy land in Detroit, put up solar and a bunch of batteries, build a small data center

it's probably cheaper than $100/month

[gusty mirage]

if I can make that idea happen, it may or may not allow @balmy condor to piggy back on the cluster for his simming needs

[amber mountain]

😛

[limber lion]

My teacher wanted me to move to Michigan because apparently her viola teacher lives there and she wants me to go study under her old teacher

[vestal wren]

hmm

letme quick search for prices

[gusty mirage]

idk if I could ever encourage someone to live here man

[vestal wren]

the 100/200 is probably 32 core (so 16 cores 32 threads)

[gusty mirage]

weather sucks, drivers suck, economy sucks, good food though

lots of diversity so a lot of dif food options

[limber lion]

And apparently a good teacher

[gusty mirage]

the detroit symphony orchestra is pretty great too

although greatly underappreciated in the area

[limber lion]

My aunt lives in OC, so I would get to visit her sometimes

I've seen her irl like twice

Just because she lives so far away

[amber mountain]

I'm Canadian, you can probably hear it when I type words like "about"

[limber lion]

Definitely is

[gusty mirage]

idk what you're talkin aboot

[limber lion]

A boot

[amber mountain]

😄

[gusty mirage]

sowry

[gusty mirage]

I used to beg my immigrant father to take me because I loved classical music growing up. It was always fun trying to convince a guy who came here with $200 in his pocket to pay for parking downtown

[limber lion]

A man's got taste. Rarely kids listen to classical music nowadays.

I'm going to be an orchestral musician as well after I graduate. Well, I already do work as an orchestral musician but more like a freelancer currently

[gusty mirage]

my parents fully supported me in that though, I took piano lessons growing up and my first ever CDs were all mozart and bach and beethoven lol

[limber lion]

Great parents.

My mom took me to a music school even though it cost her a shit ton of money, not only paying for the instruments, but also having to pay a hefty price every semester for private lessons and whatnot

I owe everything to her.

[balmy condor]

any fun police in the chat

[limber lion]

So, how's Obedience looking for Sin?

[balmy condor]

not good

[limber lion]

Good.

Screw Venthyr

[hollow river]

[vestal wren]

@gusty mirage hosting cost rly depend on what server instance you rent, i would rly need to look into it if you want a better estimate. looking at amazon hosting it seems way more expensive but they are not rly known for good prices

[gusty mirage]

Mama Cev the MVP 🙂

[gusty mirage]

yeah I think I'll have to better flesh out the idea to get a more concrete idea of what kind of computing I'd actually need (rather than overestimating it)

[compact pumice]

To be honest, some development in making the calculation more efficient might save a lot more money at that stage.

Usually it's better to start off solving a smaller problem and then adding to it when finished. So when you have a proof of concept on a smaller amount of data you can then pretty accurately calculate the cost of chugging through all the data.

[gusty mirage]

yeah I think using the free tier from AWS would be a good way to test the viability of this actually being as impactful as I think it may be

[compact pumice]

Sure, or you can self host on your own comp as a server.

[gusty mirage]

also true