assassination

[balmy condor]

smh

[hollow river]

Could’ve been an SBS if you were necro (;

[low girder]

i am now

but i left the guild so

[hollow river]

Aw ya hate to see it

[faint harness]

y bre

[odd flax]

any sin tips for sludge prog?

[balmy condor]

hold every other shiv for pillars

1 on pull, then 1 shiv, then pillar, between, pillar, between, pillar, etc

hold 1:30 and 2 min for pillars

vend early in your opener to get it up for second pillar in time

[odd flax]

ty!!

[brave steeple]

does anyoen have 9.1 cov sims?

[balmy condor]

we don't have all the soulbinds implemented in simulationcraft

so simming covenants atm would be completely worthless information

[brave steeple]

👍

[brisk drum]

Sin mobility feels so bad

[balmy condor]

sprint and shadowstep?

[brisk drum]

Had to backup a seed on xymox last night thats normally easy as outlaw

[balmy condor]

yeah in that specific example, grappling hook is better

but usually shadowstep handles things just fine

[wise fiber]

CT or bomb for council?

paired with EP.

[balmy condor]

CT usually

[dawn ivy]

i havent gone CT for council yet, probably a good idea

[ruby birch]

a bit late to this but

literally every melee class gets extra shafted from movement mechanics

sin is no exception especially with ~35% of your damage if not more coming straight from melee, envenom, and mutilate + insta damage poison

reason sub suffers "so much more" is because downtime for sub means less dance charges, and unfortunately because sub's damage window is on a 30 sec cd (SoD), it could mean you're either out of dance charges or you've gotta hold for SoD when you have excessive downtime

[steep obsidian]

so has anyone got any pro tips for living through the really hard knockback massacre overlap on sire, the one that the ranged gate

[balmy condor]

step to someone

usually a death knight

[steep obsidian]

Yah

I’m not sure if I trust our DK lol

I’ve lived through it a few times

[drifting cloud]

you can run deep into first pizza slice

[steep obsidian]

Most of the raid hasn’t figured it out yet though probably not baiting well

[thorny pond]

Finally crushed the 7.5k Mists

[spice spire]

I got perma one shot in runs tonight so I maxed out at 5.8k

[wispy leaf]

Just Run to the Edge and let you knock to the boss

[earnest remnant]

If you have DK in the raid or a DH you can step to them when you get knocked

[steep obsidian]

yah I think one of our monks might be getting a bop through it too so ill just have to see what works better for me in a few more pulls

[cerulean nest]

so in a sanguine depths today. fully stealthed, shroud up, walking between the last three mobs before final gauntlet. aggroed them like 4 times in a row (dead key). literally didnt touch them at all. is there some bug

[stoic needle]

Druid roar?

[gusty mirage]

I forget if you can distract those mobs, but stealth detection seems a little janky in SL compared to bfa

[cerulean nest]

I mean i know the obvious one in spires got fixed

but yeah this one made zero sense

[cerulean nest]

does druid roar break stealth?

[gusty mirage]

It shouldn’t no

[cerulean nest]

I didnt think so

[gusty mirage]

But weird shit happens all the time

[cerulean nest]

anyone try out the tazavesh dungeon on ptr yet?

[strange python]

Did you distract them?

[gusty mirage]

Always distract if you’re getting close to mobs, just for the added security alone

You can even walk through the mobs without pulling if you time the distract right

[cerulean nest]

I did not. ive honestly never really known how to use it effectively nor looked it up lol

maybe this is that wake up call

[balmy condor]

you always distract me

[cerulean nest]

so wherever you throw it, thats where things will turn towards for a few seconds basically?

so I should have just distracted them towards one of the walls and gone the other way

sounds stupidly basic now that im saying it lol

[balmy condor]

yeh

it reduces their aggro range

[cerulean nest]

i always thought that just hitting them with the circle put them in a "distracted' state. didnt realize you had to kinda aim it

[balmy condor]

distract is a super weird ability

idk exactly how it works tbh

[strange python]

You literally go trough mob in that specific pack, so yes, distract is a must

Aggro range is short in SL, yet it exists

[steep obsidian]

I don't know if its a hitbox thing or whatever but my theory is that its always the fat taurens who agro shit and always need a distract

i could be wrong

like ive lterally walked through at the exact same point safely as someone else and they agroed and i did not

[stoic needle]

Mobs have a cone in front of them and a radius around them in which they can aggro iirc

Distract reduces the size of both

[steep obsidian]

Its something that I don't think anyone even thought about much

my druid friend still reckons taht rogues have better stealth then him

and i konw that was factual in vanilla

[cerulean nest]

seems like a semi important thing to know

weird that it isnt more common knowledge

[steep obsidian]

who knows how it works with the spagettti code wow is now lol

[final star]

@steep obsidian pretty sure that still holds true

It's harder for us to be detected, but I think feral have same stealth

Its just the other druid stealth have pussy stealth 😂

[gusty shore]

If you have max cp and shiv comes back up, do you ignore the lost shiv cp and just use it ?

[hollow escarp]

yep, shiv on cd unless vendetta is back in like 10 sec

[gusty shore]

Thought so ty

If i'm in a situation where I've shived when vendetta was at like 15s do I hold the vanish for when the shiv comes back up within the vendetta, or just use the vendetta and vanish right away

[balmy condor]

You would vanish during the shiv

As long as both the full shiv and the vanish land within the vendetta, you’re fine

[elder flint]

i see in the FAQ "finish at max -1" meaning im not suppose to mutilate if im at 4 combo points( if my max is 5) ?

[frail fossil]

yes

[glossy turret]

any info/spreadsheets for 9.1 dps/legendary/sims yet?

[limber lion]

Not really, no point doing any of that when the patch release date hasn't even been announced yet

The ptr changes are in the sims so you can stuff out for yourself if you'd like

By typing ptr=1 at the top of your advanced sim

[glossy turret]

ok cool thx

[vestal wren]

most trinkets are not implemented yet

[shell ivy]

Why is this patch so long 😢

[gloomy fern]

so shiennar can get ce

[misty zenith]

Anyone know why this is happening?

Trying to figure out if my assa game is improving but

[gloomy fern]

if its new rankings is slow to update sometimes

link log

[misty zenith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8aXzTCqbYVDcAtnB#fight=last

I think i did OK

Did miss a few garottes on the dogs

[gloomy fern]

if u wanna parse mutilate shades

[keen cairn]

Wait what? No, I think max-1 means that if u have 4 CP out of 5 possible, u will use a finisher. Because you're likely to overcap otherwise

[misty zenith]

Yea i forgot, i kinda had tunnel vision on the boss

I think if i played my cards better it would have been much higher

Altho, i am new to rogue atm

[final star]

but that's literally what the guy asked, so he said yes

[keen cairn]

Nah

Read it again

Ooooooh

[final star]

i see in the FAQ "finish at max -1" meaning im not suppose to mutilate if im at 4 combo points( if my max is 5) ?

[keen cairn]

Me stupid

[final star]

[keen cairn]

Yeah I read envenom

[frail fossil]

[keen cairn]

Maintaining 3 alts is too much brainpower, sorry

[final star]

your lust timing is really bad too and you don't skip second shades

[keen cairn]

Too many discords

[misty zenith]

It was a pug

@final star

[final star]

it still applies

[frail fossil]

U got me scared for a second i thought i had accidentally said something wrong

[misty zenith]

I get ya, but i can't control when the pug leader lusts 😄

[frail fossil]

I mean u want as much shade as u can as assa anyway

[misty zenith]

But wait, when we attack shades i should be Muting them right?

Or also apply rupts

[final star]

don't ever rupture the shades

[misty zenith]

Wanna understand for the guild run on mythic tonight

[final star]

they get decimated

[gloomy fern]

but yeah the problem with the ranking part @misty zenith seem to be some settings in ur wcl. you uploaded it towards us/oce when ur playing in eu

therefor it gets fucked i think

[misty zenith]

Aha i have to re-upload

[gloomy fern]

ye and make sure u have eu selected in ur settings

[frail fossil]

I mean u can low cp rupture a shade

[final star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PdKNHL83Ajg7BqG1#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=16&target=56

Just to show u from my kill

[frail fossil]

I would say u prio CT anyway

[final star]

how little it did

[frail fossil]

And u wont have time to press a rupture in most cases

At least in mine i dont have time. To rupture them

[sacred isle]

Best way to parse at altimor = killing dogs with as low stacks as possible = higher uptime:)

[gloomy fern]

[sacred isle]

More time with more targets = higher dps

[final star]

best way to parse huntsman is to lust on pull

and kill it just after a vendetta falls off

[gloomy fern]

not rly ur not an aoe class

[frail fossil]

I think he means going on the shade early i guess

[final star]

I mean, you literally parse higher on inerva by skipping less adds

[frail fossil]

The best way to parse huntsman is to do ur rotation properly

And to switch on the shades

[sacred isle]

If you are doing the same dps at 4 targets as you do on 2 targets then thats on you

[frail fossil]

What u said is just not a realistic situation to happen

U wont ever get to hit shades for a extended amount of time

And u dont need to , cuz turns out assa 2t cleave is fucking insane

[misty zenith]

@final star Thanks for sharing

I'll take a look

[sacred isle]

Yes if the raid is doing it to parse You can keep the dogs alive for longer with less stacks...

[final star]

^

[frail fossil]

If u need to do that to parse the boss u're literally dogshit

[final star]

you can stack less cc on them

so they live longer

[limber lion]

Oh fuck

[sacred isle]

For fucks sake. Ppl are taking about PARSING and Iam giving input.

[limber lion]

I ruptured the shade on our kill and I got r1 and did 10.2k overall

I guess I would have done a lot more if I didn't rupture the shade

[final star]

smh

[sacred isle]

I don’t give a fuck about parsing any boss

[frail fossil]

stop playing wrong

[gloomy fern]

the ONLY reason shades helps with parses is cus mutilated flesh is bugged, would not have been an noticible dps increase otherwise

[frail fossil]

Yep

[limber lion]

Like sometimes you might want to rupture the shade

It's not like you never do it

It depends on how many stacks they have, are you blasting them with the full group, are you slowly dpsing them down etc.

It's very situational

Also more ruptures = more energy = more mutilates = more doomblade abuse

[frail fossil]

Yeah he asked abt what he could improve, not about degen griefing strat to parse

[limber lion]

[final star]

I just looked

your average envenom cast

was more damage

[frail fossil]

I rupture low cp for the energy gain after

[final star]

than the damage of 2 ruptures

[sacred isle]

Griefing? Seriously? Yikes someone needs a bath...

[limber lion]

My log is private...

[frail fossil]

Turns out rupture doesn't only does damage

[limber lion]

Here's what it looked like on my most recent kill

[frail fossil]

U know, it also give u ressources to do dmg

[limber lion]

But yeah, you don't use rupture for the damage

You use it to get energy

So you can do more damage with other stuff

Like Doomblade

[frail fossil]

It's free energy

U dont have to max cp it

[misty zenith]

Just overall trying to improve my rogue game, i'm coming over from feral. Its quite similar but stil

[limber lion]

You don't get this many Mutilates by not using ruptures

[frail fossil]

Not bugged btw

[gloomy fern]

imagine having dogs living that long

how many alts in that run

[limber lion]

We were boosting 2 dudes

:P

[final star]

that is true

[misty zenith]

Like i said, it was a pug run tho

Not a guild run

[limber lion]

Even better then

[frail fossil]

lucky fucker

[limber lion]

Because then the dogs live longer

[gloomy fern]

imagine 2 healing huntsman and ahve every fucker save their blast for sahdes

[final star]

where's your sbs damage

[misty zenith]

My guild has stopped mythic i think, we stuck 3./10 forever

[final star]

I thought you swapped

[misty zenith]

i might buy a boost myself, if they let me play atleast 😄

[limber lion]

I didn't have time to swap, I had 30 minutes before the raid and couldn't get 2 dungeons done before then

Oh well

Next week necro gang

[final star]

seen the light at least

necro too pog

even with theotar bs

[limber lion]

I mean, I did 250k more damage than you on your kill but only 14k more damage with Mutilated Flesh

[gloomy fern]

kill timer?

[limber lion]

The Doomblade thing is pretty fun, but it's not that giga

[limber lion]

Flower 3:08, me 3:16

[gloomy fern]

gettign third dfv in vuln

[limber lion]

Imagine using DFV

And not IQD

[gloomy fern]

imagine sitting on 2:50

[limber lion]

[final star]

idk whether to use IQD on sludge

or double on use

[gloomy fern]

iqd is an on use

[final star]

double on use dmg

[gloomy fern]

it can be used as on use dmg

[final star]

2nd use is almost guaranteed to be useless on prog

[gloomy fern]

why? first pillar and 4th pillar with blood lust guarantee crit if u fix ur stats

[final star]

It is 100%

going to heal

give mana

or execute

It will do literally everything but give stats

[gloomy fern]

use it before he hits pillar, target urself for no execute

[limber lion]

[gloomy fern]

everyone should be topped

i see no problem

[final star]

I have self target macro on it

[gloomy fern]

but since u seem to have come to a conclusion

why ask

[final star]

because you acting like helaers won't be mana starved

[gloomy fern]

ye so dont use iqd

u alrdy made ur mind up

[final star]

that's literally what I am saying

[gloomy fern]

that it dont work

[final star]

[cloud reef]

Whats the doomblade thing?

[gloomy fern]

so why even start the conversation

[limber lion]

Doomblade's Mutilated Flesh effect double dibs on the Shades.

The Shades % damage first increases Mutilate's damage (which means higher damage from Mutilated Flesh)

[final star]

cba arguing with pedantry

[limber lion]

Then it increases Mutilated Flesh's damage itself as well after that

[cloud reef]

Ahhhh

[limber lion]

But it's not as giga as you'd think.

[final star]

ah so the extra damage from mut is removed

but the mutilated flesh is not

as in the "bonus"

[limber lion]

Extra damage from mut?

Not sure what you mean

Mutilated Flesh is the extra damage that you get from Mutilate.

[cloud reef]

He means on the logs the extra damage from attacking the shade

[limber lion]

Ah yeah that is correct

[cloud reef]

the mutilate cast amp damage is removed

but not the flesh part

[limber lion]

Mutilate shows the normal amount without the % increase, but Mutilated Flesh doesn't.

[cloud reef]

yeah

[limber lion]

That is correct.

[final star]

yeah, exactly that

[misty zenith]

All swapping to necro?

[limber lion]

The Warcraft logs only show the damage you deal with the first part of Mutilated Flesh, it does filter out the % increase that you get after.

[misty zenith]

I really hate leveling up another covenan

[final star]

I've done all 4

It's not that bad

couple days

[limber lion]

It works that way for all % damage by the way and would have to be manually edited to not show up like that

That's why Shadowblades were giga broken on Huntsman in the beginning

[misty zenith]

@final star But then Necro is deffo better for 9.1? Last time no one was really sure on PTR

But then i overheard that necro is even better in CN from Xymox onwards

[final star]

add one target and necro pulls ahead

lots of add fights in sanctum

[misty zenith]

What changes with Necro, just SBS in between?

[final star]

sbs is very efficient and totally not broken

[misty zenith]

Is it like on CD? Or does it need to pair up>

Been wanting to try it out in M+

[final star]

it has a 30s cd

but when target dies it refunds a charge

[misty zenith]

So use it on targets that are about to die

[final star]

use it on 3 targets

since you have 3 charges

[limber lion]

SBS is busted

It's also a lot of fun to play with

[final star]

try and put on highest prio targets first

[limber lion]

Would recommend

[misty zenith]

So in M+ you would garrote your 4 mobs

and then SBS them all

[final star]

I don't run subterfuge so no clue

but yeah i'd expect so

[misty zenith]

hmm

[final star]

garrotes > CT > SBS > SBS > rupture > SBS I assume?

[limber lion]

Yep pretty much

[compact pumice]

Garrotes > FoK > CT is the start right? Don’t wanna do a 3CP CT only I would guess

[limber lion]

No

4 garrotes is 4 combo points

4 combo points is max-1

So you use finisher

[compact pumice]

The 4th garrote is prob lower prio than that FOK?

[limber lion]

No

You always use 4 garrotes

Why would you use fok

Why would FoK be higher prio

[compact pumice]

To spread poison

[limber lion]

You never ever gar gar gar fok ct

[compact pumice]

Especially

[limber lion]

?

[compact pumice]

Ok

[final star]

@limber lion can u peep my log for sludge see where I can improve?

[limber lion]

You spread poisons by meleeing and using garrotes

You don't need to FoK to spread poisons

It's still a 50% chance anyways

So it might not apply poisons

And it'll be a complete waste

[limber lion]

Suuure

[final star]

I think I'm doing pillars wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zBRA37gxd9bfYpJ1/#fight=30&type=damage-done&source=1

and refreshing rupture too much

this was our first night on it, so I'm still picking it up

[limber lion]

So you should be using SBS on the pillars more actively to start with. I just use 2 SBS at the start and then always dump them during the pillars. You want to use at least 2 SBS on every pillar.

You should also be using Shiv after he hits the pillar, not before. You want to make sure to get the full 9s duration on the pillar.

You do reapply rupture a bit too much, but it's not too bad.

The biggest things honestly are:

Refresh bleeds before pillar
Pool energy and build to max-2 -max CP
Have 2+ charges of SBS
Use Shiv as your first gcd on the pillar

If that was your first night, it's not bad at all. Just need to get more comfortable with it. Using Shiv on pillars, delaying it between pillars etc.

You just need to make most out of the 12s of vulnerability. Losing 2s because you're running or reapplying bleeds during it is not the most ideal thing.

Generally your rotation should be like Shiv - Envenom - SBS - Muti - Envenom - SBS - Muti - Envenom - Muti - Muti - Envenom

Where you only use Muti/SBS/Envenoms and nothing else pretty much

[final star]

alright got it

[limber lion]

You used garrotes quite often on pillars

Just slam it before

Even if it's not in pandemic yet

[final star]

Yeah just a small aspect of min-maxing pillars

that I need to be doing

garrote is very energy inefficient during vulnerable phase

[limber lion]

Yep exactly.

It's like a mage minmaxing their combust windows

The stuff between combust casts is kinda whatever, as long as the combusts are executed perfectly

[final star]

All stuff I should be mindful of in the heat of the moment

[gloomy fern]

so long fights so little dmg done to the boss

[final star]

Forgetting the small details that have a big impact

[gloomy fern]

have u guys recruited someone with the skip or whats the deal shriek-> sludge

[final star]

We got skip yeah

cba doing council

very little benefit in the long term

[echo sand]

no one likes doing council

[gloomy fern]

ye but i mean ur guild doesnt look like u have killed sludge 4 times so im guessing its 1 individual who joined late

[fallen arch]

Especially not sin rogues

[final star]

no

I have a friend with skip on his alt

[echo sand]

is sin = venthyr?

[final star]

we just invited him and skipped

lol

[fallen arch]

Can be, but most ppl run Necrolord because of higher cleave/aoe

[echo sand]

i love venth personally

[fallen arch]

Then run it

[gloomy fern]

i think u will have to go down on 4 healers with that dps

[echo sand]

yea i dont see myself switching tbh

[final star]

I think people need more than one night on the boss before we decide concrete changes

[viral meadow]

any good sin rogue POV for sire M?

[final star]

we also haven't had a good 4th pillar

during lust

everyone mostly dead

[fallen arch]

Nobody’s forcing you 😄. Also, venthr is perfectly fine as well. Especially on pure ST encounters

[echo sand]

yea plus Nadijas soulbind abilities are really good

[quaint carbon]

is there a way when siming to see every item at 12/12 upgrade? comparing rings but somes are 7,9,12/12

[gloomy fern]

ye but on ur best pull u had like 3 deaths before 4.5min or something and im guessing at least 2 was ressed and u were 40%, just sayin it looks like u might need another dps (:

[final star]

we were also missing a fair few people

we had no warrior

we only have 1 priest

we were missing a healer so someone had to alt heal

we were missing arguable our best hunter in pottm

arguably*

one of our hunters went sv to balance out melee chains

for a first night of progress with all that shit, we did pretty well

[odd hazel]

you can go to compare items in sims ( raid bots )

[final star]

our guild is literally a month and a couple days old too

[limber lion]

Use Droptimizer at 220 ilvl

[final star]

we're still trying our best

[limber lion]

It will show you all m+ items at once

[quaint carbon]

ahh thanks yall

[odd hazel]

This too

its to early for me to be doing recommendations lmao

[limber lion]

We're back baby

[final star]

[gloomy fern]

Imagine not playing sub

[limber lion]

Imagine not having a 233 weapon. Hah. hah.

[gloomy fern]

did u get one?

[fallen arch]

i wanna try it out too but just don’t feel like farming enough renown before raid tonight 😂

[odd hazel]

imagine playing sub in 9.0.5

[limber lion]

Hell nah. We're both suckers

[odd hazel]

atleast you have 226 gloves unlike @stoic needle

[limber lion]

Only missing 4 items. 233 weapons, ring and 226 Phial

Soon ™️

[odd hazel]

tbh, i regret not saving valor to upgrade my phail to 220.

so now im valor capped and going by week

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d5EgwpL7FtPPRiixbGatdh

The pain is going to be even worse in 9.1 when the bis dagger drops from Sylvanas

And it has an unique effect on it

[odd hazel]

im never going to get it

so

[final star]

just get the drop

[limber lion]

So the damage will be like fucking giga when compared to normal shit

[vale marten]

any1 here doing the fast SLG strat? ive been trying to convince my raid leader to do it but he wants me to explain the whole strat to him, could any1 do it in short?

[odd hazel]

inb4 "you basically have to have that dagger to play sin competitively"

[limber lion]

Sure

[gloomy fern]

u got the venom choker

[limber lion]

You kill the first goliath, you save the second goliath for Intermission.
You wait for 4 commandos to spawn. Once they spawn, you kill them all.
You throw the last orb either after the last heart rend or crystallize, your guild makes the call.

On 2nd intermission you do the same thing where you save the goliath, but here instead you just immediately start killing commandos instead of stacking them up.

Throw the last orb after wicked blades.

[vale marten]

that it?

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

It's not very complicated.

[vale marten]

cool, appreciate it

[limber lion]

You save goliaths, you kill the first commandos that spawn asap

[vale marten]

yeah i thought it would be more complex

[limber lion]

And you phase the boss quick.

A lot of guilds stall because they want to phase the boss after crystallize or whatever

So they afk 30s waiting for Crystallize to happen, then they phase it

[gloomy fern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9JrbzjRWWR9MA3fgrYxvLb soon

next week for sure

[odd hazel]

an imposter has infiltrated us

brothers

[final star]

amogus

[odd hazel]

is that with the buffs?

i sure hope so if not

big boi

[gloomy fern]

wdym, its live with the raid buffs

as shown on the right

[odd hazel]

i didnt look at it shhh

boy

im at 6.5

sees dreadfire

oh

oh

2 226 tanglewood daggers

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-ban-among-us-ban-imposter-ban-gif-18884723

[vale marten]

did the APl change? i was simming way more like 2 weeks ago

[gloomy fern]

daggers sucks

where is 233

[limber lion]

They added the Windfury Totem bug in

[odd hazel]

Blood elfs.

blood elfs everywhere

[vale marten]

you mean windfury was giving too much?

[odd hazel]

i think the API was giving us rank 2 Wf totem

thats my guess though

[vale marten]

ah man i was 20 dps from 7.3now its so low lol

unfort

[gloomy fern]

[grizzled trail]

Haha euron you suck

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a5krWDhBXtLU8byBw5wSPK

[vale marten]

hahaahhaha

[odd hazel]

link or didnt happen

[vale marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5BZxdUh8GRyPcvETbe6QkM

[odd hazel]

oh

229

big boy

[grizzled trail]

Euron is a bitch

[vale marten]

shut up showgun

[grizzled trail]

Cheats on dena

[vale marten]

outlaw cuck

[odd hazel]

man, even the little difference between 219 and 229 is huge

[final star]

looks like he does pvp guys

burn him

[gloomy fern]

show me how to loot 233 daggers

[odd hazel]

get gud mizu

[grizzled trail]

I’ll kick him out the guild for being elitist

[vale marten]

i didnt loot them, got them in the vault

[gloomy fern]

[grizzled trail]

Euron you must love to when people tell you to link ur sim

Cream all over yourself

[vale marten]

hahahaha

yeah got a stiffy right now

[odd hazel]

tbh i think thats the highest ive seen in here

[limber lion]

The number was dropped from 20% to 10%. Currently it only gives 20% to the caster and 10% to the party members.

[gloomy fern]

there are some bigger bois

[limber lion]

The tooltip says that it's 20% for everyone, so it's likely a bug and unintended.

[vale marten]

i see

[limber lion]

But whilst the bug persists, it's going to be included in the sims

[vale marten]

so it even worse that thought for melee

than*

[limber lion]

Not as giga as everyone thought yeh

[gloomy fern]

melee tuned with wft in mind -> wft been bugged whole exp

[vale marten]

btw cev, that choker you have, its literally the only upgrade in the game i can get haha

but chances of that are slim

[limber lion]

Yeh, I got pretty lucky with it when I still used to do m+

I don't really do any m+ any more lol

Still need a phial, maybe I should start doing em

[gloomy fern]

once per week and

[vale marten]

the worst part is, i actually had it in the vault but i took something else

cant remember what

[limber lion]

Ouch

[gloomy fern]

cus u used to be an outlaw scum huh

[odd hazel]

Stares at blue name

um

[gloomy fern]

sub is good

assa is okay

outlaw

[odd hazel]

laughs in 9.0.5

its okay, im actually happy sub is doing better next patch

outlaw was enjoyable at first but i ended up not enjoying its flow/etc.

so now im just a sin gurl

[vale marten]

@grizzled trail cev explained the fast SLG strat, we are doing it next week

[grizzled trail]

Haha

He can send me a PowerPoint and I’ll consider it

[odd hazel]

powerpoint

[grizzled trail]

Everything needs to be in PowerPoint presentation style

[odd hazel]

[sacred isle]

Try prezi. Looks way better 🙂

[odd hazel]

just

why though

[limber lion]

Destroy them

[gusty mirage]

[odd hazel]

oxi cheating on cev

we riot

[gusty mirage]

We’re all Whispyr simps in the end

[odd hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

[gloomy fern]

i know someone who isnt

he went the other day'

[gusty mirage]

There’s a lot of people who come in and they get so sensitive when they’re wrong about stuff

[odd hazel]

its always funny when people fight with whispyr and get even more angry when whispyr is just like

"no you wrong"

[gusty mirage]

Idk if it’s the fact that I’m a boomer now, but I’ve come to accept that I’m wrong sometimes (probably a lot of times) and that it’s okay

[odd hazel]

i think its just young age any generation? ( maybe thats a weird assumption but, i guess its just a thing that some people have ah ard time dealing with )

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, plus rogue specifically attracts a certain type of personality it seems

[gloomy fern]

assholes

[spice spire]

Fuck

You right

[quaint carbon]

what is better the stones or the oils ?

[spice spire]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[quaint carbon]

ohh thanks

[odd hazel]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/season-2-keystone-master-requires-15s-on-both-tyrannical-and-fortified-in-patch-322523

imagine doing all 24s instead of both on 15s.

[spice spire]

No problem papi

[spice spire]

Fuck tyrannical, all my homies hate tyrannical

[odd hazel]

i dont mind tyranical on some dungeons

[spice spire]

I did all of KSM on tyrannical lol I don’t mind it on anything except sanguine tbh

[odd hazel]

sanquine is only bad if you have a bad tank tbh

[spice spire]

Or if you have a tank and two melee on quaking

And an hpal

[warm parcel]

5 melee special

[spice spire]

The dream

[odd hazel]

somehow some of the best groups i've had

has been all melee basicaly

[mint anvil]

So question

shiv comes off cooldown when I'm transitioning to the 2nd horseman in sire. It's coming off cooldown right after that hand of pain as I go through the mirror

And I'm throwing dots on sire as I'm running to the 2nd horseman

Do I shiv sire then or do I hold it for the add

I feel like if I shiv sire I gotta commit to him for 10s, but that's like 7s of not attacking the add

[warm parcel]

Who do you wana hit

[odd hazel]

if you know you wont hit the target, dont waste the CD basically

[mint anvil]

That's what I thought, just not sure if I would be losing more from holding it

Like in the cabalist phase when I'm dotting everything and shiv comes off cooldown for example

Is it better to use shiv right away and st commit

or finish dotting all 4, two cabalists + remoria/sire then shiv

[warm parcel]

Shiv wont matter in situation like that

Just throw it

[mint anvil]

So don't bother holding it, just use it on sire or w.e and instead of st committing on him just dot everything?

[warm parcel]

Ye

[mint anvil]

Aight thanks

[warm parcel]

Just build off of shiv target

So extra muti procs benefit from shiv

The tab over bleed

[mint anvil]

That's fair yeh.

[sacred isle]

Why use muti when you have sbs

[warm parcel]

That too

[final star]

The average wow player with their box of rocks brain thinking this change makes it harder instead of easier 😂😂😂

[mint anvil]

Because I'm a sub refugee who is venth and not renown grinding in the middle of prog lol

[warm parcel]

Nothing wrong with tea party

[limber lion]

Necroboys

[odd hazel]

I guess if you have a dedicated group it’s faster but it’s barely easier

[royal lantern]

mate, why change covneant in the middle of prog lmao

[untold zinc]

I did on my Druid- started on a Friday, was 35 by Tuesday. It’s totally possible 🙂 mind numbing, but possible

[final star]

17s on fortified and 14s on tyrannical is trivial

Even in pugs

On horde anyway

[odd hazel]

I meant the 24s. It’s the same you just gotta do all 15s on each. Shouldn’t be hard if you actually play the game

[final star]

Yeah exactly and all dungeons count now towards score for achievement

Not just 15s of each

[lost horizon]

Yo if it weren't for vault and valour points

I'd 100% try for only fort ksm

[final star]

[lost horizon]

I have faith

[mint anvil]

I just said I had no intention of doing that lol

no fucking way am I changing mid prog

[royal lantern]

oh, read it wrong then

im not a smort guy ok?

[mint anvil]

No worries

[compact pumice]

If you have a few days between raid days and practice a lot during those days, also getting new renown, it wont be that detrimental to swap covs in the middle

[mint anvil]

Yeh, but fuck that haha, it's month 7

[royal lantern]

waiting til 2weeks before 9.1 gang o/

[odd hazel]

Realistically a CoV won’t be the reason you down something

[mint anvil]

Burned out as is

[odd hazel]

People being burned out is wild to me

Unless you’ve done quite everything

[royal lantern]

why

burnout has nothing to do with "done everything"

it just means you dont enjoy it anymore rn, and need a break

[odd hazel]

People who burn out are most likely just going to burn out again

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mint anvil]

Lmao, got an expert here

[royal lantern]

yes, and only playing wow is a highway to burnout lol

[odd hazel]

This too

[final star]

I play trackmania every day too to take a break from wow for an hour or so

It's good fun to do

[compact pumice]

It is to me as well. But I am coming most recently from Classic and people who clear "old content" like that seems to have a bit different outlook on what the "game owes them" in that sense. Retail is so much more dead than Classic like on a day to day login to enjoy the game basis but there are way more things to do in retail tbh. I don't really understand it.

[lost horizon]

Prog can be frustrating if you're slow

Farm can get boring if you prog fast

[odd hazel]

People only see new content In retail. They don’t want to do anything but up to date new content. There’s dailies, mount grinds, transmog, pet battles, M+, raiding, alts. I’ve never felt there’s nothing to do

[lost horizon]

Keys can get stale if you don't push

Chasing io can get frustrating when you push

[odd hazel]

There’s not only new content you know that right

[lost horizon]

Everyone has their experiences with problems in game, some people truxk through better than others

[compact pumice]

Farm is the only "grind" left in the game, maybe doing enough keys for Vault can be considered a grind.

But grind is literally one of the major things to do

[odd hazel]

Welcome to MMOs where you’re always grinding

[compact pumice]

Grinding is fun

[lost horizon]

I don't enjoy most old content

[compact pumice]

I love grinding

It's why RPGs are fun, you're constantly improving your character

[lost horizon]

Pushing keys is insanely time consuming, but I enjoy it so I do it

[compact pumice]

Sure, which the only reward for is the enjoyment pretty much!

[lost horizon]

And for constant improvement, a lot of people are fully decked out, and have been for months

[limber lion]

A lot of games are built around rng and grinding

[compact pumice]

Why is that not the case with farming raids?

I like it tbh

[limber lion]

So when you grind your ass, you get rewarded and the serotonin you get from the reward will push you to grind more

[cobalt pelican]

changing covenant takes like 2 days of gaming

ez

[limber lion]

What a casual

[compact pumice]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Takes a day

[lost horizon]

I haven't gotten an upgrade on my rogue for several months

[odd hazel]

Seems people rushed and are the ones crying for more content

[lost horizon]

Rushed?

[limber lion]

Well, let's not pretend like we don't have a content drought

This is the only time a patch has been this long - ever.

This is the longest patch ever in the history

[gloomy fern]

but we got endless maw and thorgast content

[limber lion]

We'll be getting 9.1 in the same timeframe as Legion's 7.2.5 was dropped

[sonic schooner]

Torghast

[limber lion]

That's 3 major content drops, before our first one

[compact pumice]

I think it's way easier to burn out on like a phase like phase 4 in Classic was, where all that came out was ZG which is a tier which don't really improve gearing that much (well it does but that's due to some poor itemization from before that tier).

Meanwhile 9.0 brought so much shit to grind

[odd hazel]

I’m always doing stuff so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[compact pumice]

But still two guilds I've been in now have taken pause until 9.1...

[limber lion]

But Krey a lot of people have different ways of enjoying the game.

Some people enjoy farming mounts, transmogs, pets etc.

[sonic schooner]

Literally all the 6th guilds I joined anno

[limber lion]

But not everyone enjoys doing that.

[compact pumice]

Yeah it's so weird?!

[limber lion]

Some people only get satisfaction from raiding and progression.

[compact pumice]

So much to do

still everyone takes a break

[odd hazel]

They are gutting them selfs then.

[compact pumice]

Just because there's announced content

[limber lion]

So when the raid is over and progression is over, it's a snooze fest after that.

[gloomy fern]

nothing to do but clear farm raid once a week

[limber lion]

Why are they gutting themselves?

That's the point of the game

There's a little bit of everything for everyone

[sonic schooner]

It depends what u wanna do ingame. Some ppls stop playin after killing Sire mythic, or even Heroic for some

[limber lion]

You're not supposed to like every single thing in the game

You don't need to do every single bit of content in the game just because you like the game

You get to pick and choose what you want to do.

[compact pumice]

But you're grinding to prepare for the future, improving you char and stats

[limber lion]

That's the point of a theme park MMO

You choose your ride

[compact pumice]

If you have things on the To Do-list

why take a break?

[lost horizon]

This again isn't always relevant

And is also basically wiped clean every tier

[compact pumice]

This is literally the worst part of retail :S

No one does old raids since it's useless

You only have one piece of content that's "useful" to do

the most recent

[lost horizon]

That's one opinion, however having to grind alts through old content to get them relevant is fucking ass

[sonic schooner]

I wanna kill Sire, pushh 2k4 in 2's, at least get all the +21 done, et get this fkin bird mount from Settek 's 😠

[compact pumice]

Nah man, I love boosting friends through a ZG if they newly dinged 60 in classic for example

Old raids being relevant for new chars is fun as long as it's not mandatory

[lost horizon]

Not mandatory as in, doesn't hard gate you from current content?

[compact pumice]

But now you just get a bunch of free Catch Up gear (which removes the whole progression part of an RPG)...

[lost horizon]

Causd legion for example, farming out old tier pieces, especially for titanforging, felt realllllly bad

[compact pumice]

Well, it should. A newly dinged char, just going into Normal versions of the current most recent (maybe even last tier raid where story wise everything is on the line and save the world) tier and you quickly will break ANY record set in the previous tiers in terms of damage/healing or any metric

It's just weird that Blizz chose to make everything they release obsolete as soon as something new comes out

[warm parcel]

Chief Im sorry to tell you but wow has never been an rpg

its an mmo

[lost horizon]

Yeah honestly this is probably a really unpopular take

[limber lion]

A theme park mmo to be specific.

[compact pumice]

I guess you just mean that it never has been a good RPG? Because the genre is literally MMORPG

[sonic schooner]

[warm parcel]

I dont care what they write in there

It aint an rpg

You can quite clearly tell

So no point trying to fight it

[mint anvil]

idk man, have you seen goldshire?

[warm parcel]

And yea a theme park on top of that

[mint anvil]

that's some dedicated role playing

[sonic schooner]

I would say it used to be really rpg but it loss almost everything of that

[warm parcel]

Sure I could always RP in gta

or in dayz

[mint anvil]

I'm being sarcastic btw, know that's not your point

[limber lion]

Maybe you playing a character implies roleplaying

[warm parcel]

or in roblox

dont make them rpgs

come on

If you want an rpg

Go play baldurs

ME

[limber lion]

Epicmafia is more of an rpg than wow

[plain thistle]

well, are you a rogue in real life? or are you role playing as a rogue?

[sonic schooner]

Pokemon is more of an rpg

[mint anvil]

But idk, saying people only liking raiding is gutting themselves and you don't understand how people get burned out when their piece of content they like is on a 7 month drought. It's a tad delusional

[sonic schooner]

🤓

[compact pumice]

eh well, not the Role-Playing aspect in the sense of living the story, but in the sense of doing content to improve your character compared to everything being reset at the start of every round as in some other games then it has always been an RPG

[warm parcel]

Its moreso people refusing to play other games than wow

Wow doesnt need to be your 24/7

[mint anvil]

True

[limber lion]

Yeah Jhon, that's the thing. You play rogue, but you don't roleplay as a rogue.

[warm parcel]

Youre the one trying to make wow your life

Do something else

[mint anvil]

No, not at all

[plain thistle]

but you can

[limber lion]

You definitely can

[warm parcel]

Im not saying you as in you exactly

You is usually used as a passive in english language

[mint anvil]

ah

[plain thistle]

you definitely can play wow without roleplaying, but wow is, for sure, a rpg

[sonic schooner]

Not me as me but me as everyone

[lost horizon]

Speak for yourself, I push keys in first person

[sonic schooner]

[plain thistle]

just not a very good one

[compact pumice]

But this is the problem and my current gripe with the game The game dies when everyone just fucks off and does something else between major content releases, which kind of kills the MMO part and all you're left with is the daily routine shit 😦

[warm parcel]

No

[final star]

Get you a guild where you play more than just wow together

[warm parcel]

Our guild has existed for 7 years or so

We all do fine just raidlogging

[sonic schooner]

It still has some RPG pieces, but can't really say it's really one now, it losses lot of its flavor. Less grinding less optimizing even less farming in a way

[final star]

My guild literally just came back after quitting

[warm parcel]

Its about what you set for the game to be to you

[limber lion]

Exactly. That's the beauty of theme park mmo's. You choose your own ride.

[warm parcel]

This isnt 2004 you wont have people living literally in wow 24/7

[limber lion]

You don't have to do everything in the game.

[warm parcel]

You cant get that back

[limber lion]

You choose and pick what you want to do.

[final star]

The average age in my guild is 30

[compact pumice]

I guess there are exceptions, but every guild I've seen recently has in some way just stopped playing forever or until 9.1 when more and more people ended up raidlogging

[warm parcel]

Okay

[final star]

We can't play games all day every day at this age

[warm parcel]

my point is

why is that an issue

[final star]

[sonic schooner]

Boomer @final star <3

[warm parcel]

People play games on and off

[limber lion]

Are we not allowed to play other games as well?

[warm parcel]

Some play 2 weeks in a row then take a break

[compact pumice]

Yeah, I still wanna play though

[final star]

Hey, I'm not 30 for like 30 days 😂😂😂

[limber lion]

Do we have to only play WoW?

[warm parcel]

Some play 2 hours a week

Some play 2 hours a week every other day

[final star]

@limber lion I play trackmania and FFXIV with my guildies

[warm parcel]

Yea

[final star]

We even did a Friday drinking stream

[limber lion]

How dare you?

[sonic schooner]

I personally play others game but I've decided to make wow my main game

And I feel gud about it

[final star]

Where I played RE7 and every time I got scared u had to drink

[sonic schooner]

🤔

[limber lion]

All of this wasted time could be spent farming mounts or reputation instead.

[final star]

[warm parcel]

We played tarkov with a gang when it had its wipe

And will likely when it wipes again

Or poe is popular among wow players on new season

Wow doesnt have to be 24/7 job

[cobalt pelican]

losing half your guild to poe every season

sad times

[limber lion]

Raid log to WoW, spend hours outside of raiding playing other stuff.

What a crime.

[low girder]

that's the other part too. i've played this game for like, idk. 10 of the 17 years it's been out. i've done the rep grind, i've done the mount farm. what more do you want me to do? lol

[warm parcel]

And not like I didnt enjoy 24/7 wow with a group of friends back in the day

I just aknowledge its not going to come back

[limber lion]

Imagine liking different things.

[warm parcel]

People and unfortunately the universe moves on

Pre 2010 was way different in online gaming

[gaunt tree]

its been like 2 months since i started logging to wow just to raid and back to doing something else

raiding is appealing to me but all of the other content is not a much, that's all there is to it

[warm parcel]

Im one who now enjoys just raiding

[limber lion]

Yeah same.

[warm parcel]

And progression actually

I hate farming

[gaunt tree]

i can't stand doing like 3 M+ in a row

[warm parcel]

Ill gladly afk half a year inbetween tiers

[limber lion]

I enjoy parsing because I'm a dps whore

[low girder]

yep, same here. i've done the rest, the stuff i haven't done for the most part doesn't interest me

[limber lion]

That might change the next tier though.

Gives me incentive to push myself and do as good as I can

And improve constantly

[lost horizon]

M+ with a good group can't be beat

[final star]

My guild so far behind this tier, but next tier we should do really well with two day raiding

[lost horizon]

But that's just for me

[cobalt pelican]

parses very quickly become

boring as fuck

[lost horizon]

Tons of people hate that shit

[compact pumice]

Tbh, Classic is back and was very popular

[gaunt tree]

yeah so there you go, WoW isn't as wonderful compared to other stuff as it was back in the day, and the difference between content kinda allows us to just focus on what we like

[warm parcel]

Im aware

Im also fully aware it was nothing like it was in 2004

[final star]

People are just older and stuck in their ways and very headstrong

[cobalt pelican]

when you realize you're competing in an environment where 99% of the playerbase doesn't even try and do better in any way

[warm parcel]

Current classic is so different

[gaunt tree]

not because wow is any worse, but games in general are WAY better

[compact pumice]

It wasn't no, but the nostalgia was powerful

[limber lion]

For you.

But that's again a very personal thing

[final star]

When the average age of a guild has gone from early 20s to late 20s

[limber lion]

Not everyone likes parsing, raiding, pushing keys, farming mounts

Everyone likes different things

I like raiding and parsing, but I hate PvP

There's someone out there who's the complete oposite

[hollow escarp]

goldmaking

[final star]

I like m+, then raiding

[lost horizon]

Raid buffs have beat my will to parse into the ground

[final star]

Pet battles can be fun too

[compact pumice]

This made it fresh for some, bad for others. Though I wish they could've made it a bit more genuine. On the other hand I am one of those who think the new Chronoboon world buff change was very good for the game (though way too late)

[limber lion]

But see, I'm not talking about parsing orange here. I'm talking about getting rank 1's.

[cobalt pelican]

so am i

[lost horizon]

But raiding with a casual group also doesn't help

[limber lion]

Even if there's just one gamer out there who's trying to achieve the same thing

Then it's a fun thing for me

[cobalt pelican]

there's literally like 5 people who even try

[limber lion]

That's good

That's more than enough

[final star]

5 > 0

[limber lion]

As long as I can be the best out of those 5

[cobalt pelican]

big

[warm parcel]

You can choose to replicate vanill as much as you want. What you seem to fail to realise is that people and the internet you cannot

[limber lion]

Do you like farming transmogs?

Do you like farming mounts?

[final star]

Ceverion just finna hit boss

[limber lion]

Do you like pushing high keys?

[final star]

Is that too much to ask

[limber lion]

Do you like PvP?

[final star]

[warm parcel]

Its physically impossible to get back 2004

[limber lion]

Everyone likes different things

[warm parcel]

In any game

[limber lion]

Why does people smack on others for liking different stuff

[warm parcel]

Or irl for that matter

[limber lion]

I don't give a fuck if you only PvP or only do pet battles

All the power to ya

[spice spire]

LMAO

[gaunt tree]

ur the one doing it

[fallen arch]

PET BATTLES

[limber lion]

Never understood the need for people to start insulting others for doing things that they enjoy.

[final star]

Pets are great

[limber lion]

"Outlaw is a bad spec, I hate it and you should not play it"

Shut the fuck up

[fallen arch]

collecting, yes

[gaunt tree]

yo my guildie gladly spends like 4 hours a day doing this

[spice spire]

Go off, king

[final star]

I use the crazy cat man/lady on every character

[fallen arch]

If he likes it, he should

[final star]

It's the best title

Fight me otherwise

[cobalt pelican]

dman very rigtheous of you!!

[gaunt tree]

legend of pandaria

[final star]

[cobalt pelican]

peoples champion . . .

[hollow escarp]

pet battles are legit underrated just because they are a copy of pokemon

[final star]

Hardest part of pet battles is levelling them

Once you got loads at 25 it's fun

[compact pumice]

I'm not failing to realise that, and that's not the point for most people when playing Classic anyway nor my argument. Playing genuine Vanilla would not be the same experience in the same sense that a second playthrough of any game isn't same. Doesn't mean it can't still be good!

[hollow escarp]

not on super squirt day

[final star]

I missed super squirt day

[hollow escarp]

same

[limber lion]

Wtf, pet battles are fucking boring

Why are you doing that?

You should stop

[gaunt tree]

[spice spire]

Cev’s gone unhinged

[hollow escarp]

imagine playing wow, amirite?

[compact pumice]

I really enjoy replaying a loved game. Probably more than playing a new game, unless it's a crazy good one.

[warm parcel]

I had my 2 weeks of fun in classic too

[compact pumice]

I haven't actually tried pet battles at all

[hollow escarp]

we've turned this place into #wow-general, let's hope Whispyr won't notice

[warm parcel]

hes sleeping

we fine

[hollow escarp]

good

[fallen arch]

tag him

[gaunt tree]

dont

[warm parcel]

Just shitpost normal assa stuff before he wakes up

[spice spire]

It’s odd of you to assume he sleeps

[fallen arch]

WHAT SECONDARIES TO FOCUS ON PLS

[warm parcel]

[final star]

Pet battles are not boring you are wrong change your mind on the thing I like and like it too right this second

[spice spire]

HOW DO I GET 34% CRIT

[limber lion]

The Mastery CF told me that you should focus on mastery

[lost horizon]

Sin bad m+

[warm parcel]

yes

[spice spire]

Oh no

[fallen arch]

The RNG gods actually always give me mastery gear, so I'm good then

[hollow escarp]

pet battles are boring if you start using TDScript

[limber lion]

[final star]

Anyone know what to do on DN?

[warm parcel]

I actually got down to 40 mastery from denny help

[hollow escarp]

stun the seed

[fallen arch]

And here I m running around with 600 mastery

[final star]

Yeah, Mufat told me that

[compact pumice]

this youtube guide says literally the opposite of what everyone here says. Why are you so wrong compared to Infexious?

[limber lion]

I have 146 mastery. I'm filth.

[lost horizon]

I have 3 soul ash which lego do I make for mists +8 tyr raging volc?

[warm parcel]

daum

idno

[lost horizon]

This discord is useless

[compact pumice]

600 mastery RNG is some crazy RNG tbh 😄

[gaunt tree]

sephuz

[hollow escarp]

btw, do you use Execute outside Enrage window or build up, Rampage and then execute?

[spice spire]

[fallen arch]

its actually 664

[warm parcel]

if its sudden proc I wouldnt use outside enrage

tho who plays fury

[hollow escarp]

[spice spire]

@stoic needle

[hollow escarp]

I was actually playing now and was wondering what's best

[final star]

Is the aoe rotation for ele chain lightning

[lost horizon]

Yes

[final star]

[limber lion]

Stahp

[warm parcel]

And if it was a real q

[compact pumice]

Is it your highest stat?

[warm parcel]

Idno

In exe range I think you dont wanna miss exe globals

[final star]

Ele is very fun tho

Happy I geared mine

[warm parcel]

But with sudden procs I guess you could wait

[hollow escarp]

it's probably in Skyhold pins

[fallen arch]

Haha yes, when I equip my 226 rings

[gaunt tree]

when do i burst on sire as windwalker monk guys?

[limber lion]

It was a fun lil meme a while a go but it's gone a big far lol

[final star]

Complete contrast to rogue

[spice spire]

Now we can blame all the shitposting on weak

[gaunt tree]

[lost horizon]

I had fun on TR with ele, wish I played it more

[limber lion]

We were talking about assa shitposting

Not windwalker shamans executes

[compact pumice]

At that point you must have chosen Mastery pieces lol, or the gods are just trolling you

[final star]

You went too far saying battle pets bad, shame on you

[fallen arch]

the latter.

[warm parcel]

Not like yall dont shitpost whispyr too

smh

[fallen arch]

All my vault pieces from day 1 had mastery on them

And I only get garbage trinkets

[final star]

I've had 9 vault items on my shaman, 7 of them had mastery

[warm parcel]

Next tiers raid pieces seemed to have quite some crit haste

Maybe even get 0 mastery

[fallen arch]

I do a shit ton of bleed and poison damage tho in M+

[limber lion]

Yeh, the gear is looking insane for assa

[final star]

You literally want 0 mastery as shaman in all situations 😂

To the point where 220 items with good stats are better than any 226 piece that has mastery