assassination

[late birch]

soz

[limber lion]

It depends on the legendary that you use

[spice spire]

The Cev special

[limber lion]

You only play Nightstalker + MFD + CT with the Master Assassin legendary

But you play Subterfuge with Zoldyck.

[spice spire]

MA - NS - CT snapshots

[late birch]

ah, and with the right leggos is it better than sub + zold ?

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is generally slightly bit more damage and a better damage profile, but MA is not bad.

[stoic needle]

Better for low keys but not really better for higher ones

[limber lion]

No*, Sub + Vigor + CT with Zoldyck is generally the play.

[late birch]

❤️ ta

Anywhere I can find the most valuable opener in M+ after opening with 3 garrotes.

[limber lion]

[late birch]

playing necro too

[limber lion]

I think IcyVeins has a section for M+ rotation but generally the rotation is:

Garrote - Garrote - Garrote - Garrote - CT - SBS - SBS - Rup - SBS - Rup

On 4+ targets

@warped temple wrote a M+ guide as well, if you want to check that out.

[late birch]

Sure

When would i put up SND?

do you have link for me plz

[limber lion]

In the very beginning.

You generally want to get SnD up quickly in the beginning of the dungeon and then keep it up by using Envenoms during packs

[spice spire]

If a continuous chain pull - you should never lose SnD

[limber lion]

Or by saving extra combo points from previous packs and using them on SnD before opening with gar gar gar

[limber lion]

Sure, just a sec

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2Db7rkSIiT56b0PXQPjugZATnyx6aDOflx4oZgVwgs/edit

Here you go

[late birch]

not always best to have tank chainpull though when running subterfuge rioght

ty

[limber lion]

No, you want to avoid that.

It's not a very massive loss, but yeah, you don't really want to do that.

[pliant apex]

but the best before finisher is only for opener right, after its just use on cd?

[limber lion]

No.

Like I said

You always use it before a finisher.

You use it on cooldown, but always before a finisher.

[pliant apex]

doesnt that make it a little bit complicated

i mean it will require practice right?

[limber lion]

Not really

You see that Flagellation comes off cooldown in 3s, so you build to 4-5 CP and then when it's off cooldown, you press it

And then you press your finisher

You follow the same pooling principle as usual

[spice spire]

It’s just a rule you put in place - few seconds before. Well Cev answered it

[pliant apex]

ahh so in your opinion its no more difficult than lets say sepsis ?

to use i mean

just thinking of shifting covs, and need to make sure its not something thatll be too difficult to implement in fights is all

[limber lion]

They are very similar in "skill level" per say

[pliant apex]

and who better to ask than you fellas

[limber lion]

But Venthyr doesn't have Soulshape

Sepsis is very similar, in where you use it on cooldown

[pliant apex]

yes and you always say nf best overall

[stoic needle]

Venthyr is almost completely braindead to use

[pliant apex]

and oshosi doesnt agree hehe i rem

[limber lion]

Yeh.

You can play any covenant and get 99 parses. They are so close to each other it honestly doesn't make much of a difference

Kyrian is just an awful covenant to play overall.

Performs the worst, has the clunkiest ability and signature ability is useless.

[pliant apex]

you know what you say that, and im like cev is right, im not going to shift

thats what happened last time, i heard you speak and i dropped it lol

[limber lion]

I mean

You can still switch to Venthyr if you want

And you can probably get better results

But in the end most of the damage gains comes from

1. Having better gear

2. Playing better

[pliant apex]

true words cev

[limber lion]

80 dps in ST is easily negligible when compared to stuff like bleed uptime, energy usage, efficient combo point usage, group, fight length etc.

[pliant apex]

just that soulshape has save dmy ass so many times.

[limber lion]

Just finishing a boss fight at 3:55 will always net you less damage than finishing at 4:20

[pliant apex]

its just +80? not +300??

[limber lion]

Yeh, Soulshape is huge.

[pliant apex]

on den, i dont need to worry about ravage for example, esp p1

[limber lion]

Let me sim my character.

[pliant apex]

i dont need portals, i can keep dpsing

[limber lion]

It's under 200 dps in pure single target.

[river acorn]

I switched to Sin today and I'm wondering of there's a detailed guide for ST dps like Ryfie's guide

[limber lion]

Not using a potion is a bigger dps loss.

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

There's a few to choose from.

Maybe I should make one for 9.1 specifically.

Not sure where I could slap it though, don't really have a platform to do it on

[river acorn]

aye thx

[limber lion]

If you have any questions, you can ask here and I'll gladly help you out

[gusty mirage]

Cev’s kind of a big deal. Huge wee wee dpser. A true gamer

[strange python]

Cev seems like a pretty cool guy

[gusty mirage]

Tbh he’s probably the nicest one here on top of being super smart

[limber lion]

[potent rune]

the cev simp are out

and im one of them

[shy dust]

No simping

[limber lion]

I simp Rae.

[shy dust]

[limber lion]

Man has me beat on Assassination and he doesn't even like the whole spec.

Fml.

[drifting cloud]

hes a poser

buys pis to look cool

[shy dust]

I hit rank 2

Without a single PI

[strange python]

which boss did u rank 2?

[drifting cloud]

and now you have less points than me, how the mighty have fallen!!

[shy dust]

Rank 2 all star points

[steel geyser]

I'm trying to get more comfy with aoe sin, what would be your typical opener on a trash pack with EP/Subterfuge/Vigor/CT (venthyr° and without SnD up ? Lets say 5 targets.
I would do 3x Garrote > SnD > Fok to 4+cp > CT > Then start applying ruptures.
When should I shiv in this window, and lets say its a big key and I wanna get vendetta on cd too where do I fit this

[shy dust]

I haven’t raided as assa in 3 weeks

[strange python]

oh dayum even better wtf

hahah

[limber lion]

Yeah that looks pretty good.

On packs you just normally Vendetta the prio target if anything.

You can slam Shiv but you don't really have to think about it too much

The "3 Envenoms in one Shiv" thing is complete bullshit

Just slam it and continue applying ruptures to everything around you

Envenom once or twice here and there to keep SnD up

[steel geyser]

Yea so you would vendetta after applying first CT ?

on a typical m+ pack

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much.

You of course want to save Vendetta for Prides/Bosses

[steel geyser]

yea sure

[limber lion]

It's not the best cooldown in the world and even less so in AoE.

[steel geyser]

I'm thinking of first pack of hoa or dos

[limber lion]

Yeh, on DoS you would just Vendetta one of the big dudes

You just throw it up on something and don't really have to think about it too much

Slam Vendetta and Shiv on the same target and just continue doing your AoE rotation

Of course it changes up if it's a giga prio target that has to die

[steel geyser]

Is there a target number where we spam CT for the flat dmg after having bleeds up ?

[limber lion]

Then you can just focus more on the ST side of it

[limber lion]

No, we never spam CT.

We always just keep the bleed up.

Because it's target capped, it's never efficient to spam it.

[steel geyser]

oh yeah target cap

[limber lion]

Just keep the bleed up and then use Envenoms.

FoK with the Envenom buff up is pretty good damage as well.

"Pretty good damage" still pales in comparison to the better specs, like Fire Mage. Obviously.

[pliant apex]

so how much was dps gain on ST for venth over NF?

[limber lion]

Venth is around 150 dps or something like that.

Depends on your gear and whatnot.

Still less than forgetting to use a potion, killing the boss 10s before Vendetta comes back up, not multi-dotting everything around you etc.

[river acorn]

I find when I want to multi dot I struggle with energy, could that be because I have low haste?

[limber lion]

Multidotting should bring you more energy instead.

Haste levels don't really matter on multi target scenarios and haste actually loses a lot of value in AoE.

You just need to make sure you have poisons on all of the targets as well as bleeds.

Venomous Wounds only works if you have both bleeds and poisons on the target.

[river acorn]

Well I just saw the AoE opener and I think my flaw is that I don't garrote atleast 3-4 targets

[limber lion]

A lot of people seem to slap Rupture/Garrote on mobs and then just never look at the poisons

[pliant apex]

to you, is 150 a big enough number to switch? just your opinion

[limber lion]

Yeah you definitely should.

[limber lion]

For me it is. For very casual people not looking to mythic raid? Definitely not.

If you're raiding Mythic seriously, then it is a considerable difference

But if you're not, it honestly doesn't make a difference.

[pliant apex]

if im a 6/10m , would you call me a lil but more than casual?

[limber lion]

Again, you can get all 99's in HC with Kyrian. Covenant doesn't matter.

[limber lion]

Yeh. But the covenant choice doesn't really matter at that point either honestly.

[pliant apex]

hmm

[limber lion]

There's people who have killed Sire as Night Fae.

On mythic that is.

[pliant apex]

ahh dam'

[limber lion]

Soulshape brings a lot of value to many fights.

150 extra dps in ST will not be the factor between you killing Council of Blood or not.

[pliant apex]

yea very true

[limber lion]

It will be the deciding factor behind you getting a 99 parse and a rank 1 parse.

But then there's also 17 PI's in the way

Which make it even less relevant

[pliant apex]

i dont even know what a PI is, though heard the name too many times like few weeks

[limber lion]

Getting PI is a bigger increase in damage than changing your covenant.

[fallen arch]

Say whaaaat

[limber lion]

It's Power Infusion

External buffs given out by priests.

[pliant apex]

yep no idea what that is

ohhh ok thought so , was a buff

[limber lion]

It gives 20% haste for 20s for one person.

It's like a personal lust.

[pliant apex]

oh dam

[fallen arch]

I have a PI ask macro’d to Vendetta

[steel geyser]

Thx.
I wanna try to get better m sire parse so now I'm thinking about P1 and P2.
P1 you get ready to instantly CT adds as much as possible, add some fok and thats it I guess ?
P2 besides having the best uptime possible on remornia I struggle to find a good vendetta window before 3 adds out of 4 are already dead and cabalist are also dying very fast. What would you recommend ?

Also generic question on fast dying adds (sire, inerva, altimor), if you were to choose between garroting or low cp rupturing without impacting main target bleeds uptime what would be your first gcd choice ?

[pliant apex]

hmm thats another level of competitiveness i must say

buying another player for logs.. dam you parses are serious guys lol

[limber lion]

I don't use PI's nor do I want them. I despise them.

[limber lion]

Yeh, in P1 you use one CT everytime the adds spawn. Otherwise you just hit the boss.

[reef axle]

Simmed my character and it says sbs is used on pull? So sbs>mut>normal rotation?

[limber lion]

Yes, SBS is used from pull.

[shy dust]

25%*

[limber lion]

Where do you use your Vendetta's?

[limber lion]

Fuck me.

[shy dust]

I am sharing this because I just learnt it

[fallen arch]

Depise PI? Because of people cheesing parses with em?

[steel geyser]

Our P2 start is : Split kill Sinsear / evershade then get grabed go mirror all raid kill baron duskhollow then grab and then we nuke the boss with add cleave so that would be here

[limber lion]

Yes. It makes the playground unfair for people who don't have access to them or don't pay money to inflate their parses.

[pliant apex]

i agree

[limber lion]

So you don't use your Vendetta on the named adds at all?

[steel geyser]

I tried to vendetta on evershade and baron but they die in less than 12-15sec and I am on kick duty on evershade so I do lose a littleuptime

[limber lion]

Damn your group is pumping then.

[steel geyser]

yea we farming

[limber lion]

Usually you would use CD's on the adds there

[steel geyser]

3 raids/week and stuff

[limber lion]

But yeh, just use Vendetta asap in P3 on Sire then

No point holding it really

You can get 2 uses out of it in P2

[pliant apex]

so the finisher does have to be rupture? it can be envenom too?

[drifting cloud]

use it on remornia

sire goes away, remornia stays

[steel geyser]

Yea I currently use 1 vendetta in P2 and 2 uses in P3

and only 1 in P1 too cause we have to stop dps for a long time anyway

[drifting cloud]

oh nvm thought it said p2

[steel geyser]

yea I could squeeze vendetta on remornia on early P2 cause evershade dies quick anyway

[drifting cloud]

I mean if you use it start of p2 you can just use it on cd whole fight after that, unless youre phasing to p3 before the last hand

[fallen arch]

Ok thats it, ima reroll priest to sell PI’s

[limber lion]

Well, then you should be using 2 Vendettas in P2 honestly

[steel geyser]

yea

[limber lion]

If you're holding your second one in P1 and you're not using it on the add.

P1 - 1 Vendetta
P2 - 2 Vendetta
P3 - 2 Vendetta

[pliant apex]

for flagellation, can i press it before envenom as well? or the finisher gota be rupture only ?

[steel geyser]

got it i'll give it a try but i'm afraid if I don't have vendetta up early P3 boss will be already dead before 2nd one with our big kill timer

[limber lion]

Yes, it doesn't matter which finisher it is.

[stoic needle]

If you envenom before flag instead of rupture your rogue is deleted

[limber lion]

What is your kill timer?

[stoic needle]

Beware

[limber lion]

Some people are actually doing this, no joke.

They sell PI runs for hundreds of thousands of gold.

[steel geyser]

Idk with having to stop dps in P1 probably not that good

lemme check

[limber lion]

A lot of people do that just so they get cds back for the adds in P2.

[wintry stone]

Are people actually simming higher with Vigor + EP?

[limber lion]

It pulls ahead on short fights and when you introduce adds to the fight.

[wintry stone]

Do anyone know the difference in stat wrights hitting DS / BS over Vigor / EP

[limber lion]

On pure 5 min ST it rarely pulls ahead,.

[limber lion]

We don't really look at stat weights. They don't really matter.

You still want haste > crit > vers > mastery generally.

[wintry stone]

Not what I said..

[limber lion]

For Venthyr crit pulls ahead.

[wintry stone]

But gotcha

[limber lion]

Huh

The stat weights don't change

Even if you change your talents

But again

They don't matter whatsoever

Stop looking at stat weights.

Here's a straight quote from the pins

[wintry stone]

Didn't say anything about praising stat weights, calm down man

[limber lion]

It's even in all caps and bolded.

[wintry stone]

All good

[gusty mirage]

the only time you prioritize stats is in m+ where you want as much crit as you can get

but besides that the other 3 are interchangeable

[wintry stone]

Some talents sometimes favor certain talents, in this case they dont, you answered that, and pointed out it has more to do with adds vs patchwerk, I got it, thanks

[steel geyser]

yea 9.52 last week seems pretty normal, P3 start at 6.32 and we still have bloodlust timed for dk's armies

[limber lion]

Yeah that's fine. Just use your Vendetta on cooldown starting in P2.

You will be getting Vendetta twice in P2 and P3 that way

[steel geyser]

vendetta current uses

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's how it was for me as well, except I used it on Baron

[drifting cloud]

how many dks you got

[limber lion]

So the gap between the first and 2nd is even larger.

[steel geyser]

3 dks usually, but I mean we still use prog strats even tho we full clear twice in 5hours

not my call :<

[drifting cloud]

well with 3 dks that lust is probably better 😛

[steel geyser]

yea but I mean we could delay it a bit if you asked me

[limber lion]

When do you lust?

[steel geyser]

delaying last army for dk isnt that big for them ?

[limber lion]

After second blood price?

[steel geyser]

yea

[limber lion]

That's fine

You still have lust for your Vendetta

Lust lasts for 40s

[steel geyser]

but are you sure vendetta is up start of p3 if I double use in P2 ?

[drifting cloud]

its not

[plain thistle]

it will be up after first knock back if I remember correctly

[limber lion]

No, you would miss out on the lust portion.

It would be like 10s too late.

That's true.

Here's my graph from using Vend on Baron

[reef axle]

Couldn’t find it in the guide but I assume in single target we just keep using sbs on cd for the spike dmg?

[shy dust]

No

Use it with gemstone buff

[steel geyser]

Got it

[hazy crater]

this is mine with double P2 and double P3 vendetta

[limber lion]

Yeh, can't see the lust timers there but the last Vendetta would be barely out of the lust window there.

But yeah, you should ask your guild if you can delay the lust for like 20s.

[hazy crater]

yeah didnt know how to get that highlight for lust

[drifting cloud]

20s wont work then you waste it all during the overlap

[hazy crater]

luckily we lusted at my 1st vendetta anyway

[drifting cloud]

its gotta be after then

[limber lion]

Yeh exactly

[drifting cloud]

but not sure if anyone even does that

[limber lion]

You normally use lust after the blood price because there's a lot of time before the overlap happens.

Yeh, not really

It's pretty hectic and you likely lose a few of your raiders during the overlap anyways

Is it worth holding cds and then just dying to the overlap

[steel geyser]

not really

[limber lion]

Yep. :p

I can imagine the frustration

But DK's are generally pretty safe during the overlap so they shouldn't have a problem.

[steel geyser]

I mean i'm pretty privilegied I have a bop on overlap because no one needs it

[limber lion]

I'm jealous

[steel geyser]

used to step on dks

[drifting cloud]

wait how

do you have 2 hpalas or what

[steel geyser]

yea we do

[limber lion]

What a stacked comp.

3 DK's, 2 H Palas

[steel geyser]

going for big prog next tier

[hazy crater]

Had BoP on progress as well and on farm someone used LoH on our arms warrior so they couldnt BoP him and I got it again

[drifting cloud]

ah yes poor warrior has to press spell reflect

[fallen arch]

12 priests for PI’s

[steel geyser]

yea meta slave on duty

[limber lion]

Damn, nutty.

I wonder what our comp would be like with my new guild

Hopefully I'm not perma benched on every boss

[steel geyser]

I feel u

[hazy crater]

Can you actually spell reflect the knock

[steel geyser]

yea you can

[limber lion]

Yep.

[steel geyser]

in mythic only

because mirror stuff I guess

[hazy crater]

spagetti code

is the actual answer

[steel geyser]

wont argue with that

[stoic needle]

I'm mad spell reflect is just like a better cloak

[steel geyser]

u meant AMS

[hazy crater]

yeah actually makes no sense that it could be reflected

when cloak does nothing

[limber lion]

Everything's better than cloak.

[stoic needle]

Spell reflect works on way too much shit

[limber lion]

I remember the days when Cloak used to be busted.

Now they just design fights so that cloak doesn't function at all.

[stoic needle]

Sonic damage

Can you spell reflect shriekwing stuff?

[steel geyser]

Last question on sire P2. Would you bother doing rupture /garrote on cabalists even tho you're playing with meta comp I linked above and having all those disgusting aoe burst classes alongside.
and what would be your first gcd between those 2 bleeds

[hazy crater]

optimizing first boss

[stoic needle]

Not really, just curious if sonic damage was specifically designed to fuck rogues or not

[steel geyser]

Pretty generic question on fast dying adds (sire, inerva, altimor), if you were to choose between garroting or low cp rupturing without impacting main target bleeds uptime what would be your first gcd choice ?

[limber lion]

Yes. You put ruptures and garrotes on everything that you can.

[limber lion]

Garrote is always the first and obvious choice. You don't lose combo points by using garrote.

Rupture is a very costly ability and you want to maximize the value of it as much as possible.

[tribal mauve]

how do you guys use Sbs on slg ?

[placid dawn]

On sire you always use garrote on the boss and sword though

to refresh

[limber lion]

Sbs on Grashaal, Sbs on Kaal then SBS on Goliath.

You use SBS on the adds to get resets.

Throw one SBS away during Gemstone procs as to not overcap them over time.

But generally throw them on everything around you to get resets.

[tribal mauve]

👌

[limber lion]

Here's my casts. As you can see, I didn't use them much on Kaal/Grashaal.

[tribal mauve]

Ok thanks Ceve

[limber lion]

[steel geyser]

But CT is prio right ?

[limber lion]

Well, it depends.

Garrote is generally prio #1 because you can just slap it

[steel geyser]

in Sire right after taking the miror

[limber lion]

You have to build combo points to use CT/Rupture and Garrote is a generator

[steel geyser]

and cabalists are spawning

[limber lion]

Then you would build CP, Gar and then CT

Here's my P2 damage breakdown.

Here's just cabalists.

More casts of CT on Cabalists, still loses to Rupture.

If the adds are alive for long enough, Rupture is definitely very dank.

[charred wraith]

As assassination on sire, we just dot the horseman and cabalists if they live longer than 8 seconds, crimson tempest them, and fok when there are 4 targets (sire, remornia, cabalists) and everything else stays the same for st rotation on sire?

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much.

[charred wraith]

ty

[limber lion]

[steel geyser]

@limber lion I see you're mostly playing with 220 quantum, is that a choice or a lack of better ?

[limber lion]

It is the best trinket in the game as a Venthyr.

As a Necrolord I would ditch it and use 226 Chain + 226 Memory instead.

[steel geyser]

what about 233 dreadfire

[gusty mirage]

chain + memory over phial? 😮

[limber lion]

Yeah, DFV wins everything if you get that.

[limber lion]

226 chain and memory beat a 220 Phial.

[gusty mirage]

dang

[limber lion]

If I had a 226 Phial, I would never replace it.

[gusty mirage]

I got a 226 skulkers last week, and it's simming higher than my 220 phial in dslice

but I'm so sketched out by it

especially this week with sanguine

[limber lion]

Yeah it can be pretty meme-y

It's also a fun time when you use it on Sludge and it pulls you too far and breaks the chain

[gusty mirage]

I'll just hold out that my GV gives me a 226 memory or 226 chain

[steel geyser]

everything on max ilvl, is there any better combo thant phial vessel as venthyr/necro ?

[gusty mirage]

I miss using my 213 chain

[limber lion]

Vessel and Phial is the BIS trinket setup at 233/226 for Necro.

226 Phial and 226 IQD is the best for Venthyr.

[steel geyser]

I still miss one trinket then

I though I had them all

Just got i'm IQD on my dk tho, won't complain

[limber lion]

I mean DFV/Phial is still really really strong on Venthyr.

[steel geyser]

yea I probably wont notice the difference

maybe on some good kill timers for IQD

[limber lion]

Yep.

You also need to gear for IQD so it can be a pain in the ass for some people.

Because you want crit to be your highest stat.

And haste second.

[steel geyser]

Yea I have have way too much a head :(

even with crit enchant/gem

[limber lion]

You're probably running very haste-heavy jewelry.

[steel geyser]

nop

full crit

[limber lion]

I'm talking about rings and neck.

[steel geyser]

oh yea

[limber lion]

Sire ring is giga haste.

[gusty mirage]

I still have more haste than crit

[limber lion]

My stats are pretty much perfectly tailored for IQD.

[gusty mirage]

problem is if I switch out my inerva ring I'll have more vers than crit

[amber mountain]

My stats are a hot mess

[limber lion]

Got lucky with Vault like 3 months ago and got the Azure Venom Choker at 226.

[limber lion]

[steel geyser]

yea my neck is still 220

but Vers / crit tho

got it early in sl back when sub was the play

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/hyjal/Antok

I mean I feel like i'm close to bis

but still lack of crit :(

[gusty mirage]

my 2 rings are ciper ring/inerva ring at 226. I suppose I can use my 220 azure venom that'll throw my crit above haste without risking my vers overtaking crit

[north basin]

6

[limber lion]

Yeah not bad, still need better weapons, Sire ring and a better neck.

[steel geyser]

:<

got 233 wep on dk this week

still not wep as rogue

[limber lion]

Here's my weapons :)

[steel geyser]

Yea I know haha I wont complain

we are the nometa token

1 monk 1 war in the raid

and us

[limber lion]

But I still got plenty of R1's with a scuffed shitty setup

So I'm glad.

[steel geyser]

Yep thats pretty impressive

[limber lion]

Yeh, rings/neck are honestly the biggest things affecting stats.

Sire and Inerva rings are technically the best rings, but they're very, very haste heavy so they can screw you over bad if you don't pay attention to it.

Especially if you're a Venthyr IQD gamer.

[steel geyser]

but my stats would you bother farming IQD ?

prob wont have crit first till next tier

yea I wont farm it what am I talking about

will be grinding necro soon anyway

[limber lion]

Yeah no point if you're not going to gear for it.

DFV/Phial combo is way too good anyways.

[gusty mirage]

tbh I would advise against farming any specific item, esp this late into the tier

[charred wraith]

Sry, another regular question about sire, ep + vigor for more p2 dmg and bs + ds for more p3 dmg?

[gusty mirage]

you're going to be miserable farming DoS over and over and over again for esseentially a sidegrade

[steel geyser]

Would you switch to DFV/Sins on Sludge ? (still venthyr)

I saw that in the ranking

[limber lion]

That's a choice you have to make.

[limber lion]

Yes.

That way you get on-use for every pillar.

[steel geyser]

yea

[frigid jasper]

is it worth macroing ambush to mut for blindside procs or would it just save a lot of hassle to bind it to a seperate key?

[limber lion]

No, just bind it to a separate key.

[gusty mirage]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[gusty mirage]

you can get it to work, but it's a pain in the ass

[steel geyser]

On a common basis trying to parse do you use the theotar potion cheese on every boss ? @limber lion
I'm too lazy for this shit

[limber lion]

You don't want to use Ambush from stealth, so you'd need 2 separate binds anyways.

[limber lion]

Yes, for parsing purposes.

It's the only reason I swapped back to Venthyr.

If Theotar wasn't a thing, I would still be necro.

[steel geyser]

yea

feels good to chat with u

thx

[limber lion]

We're assa gamers here.

[steel geyser]

Won't lie, I'm much better as sub

but I try to blend

[gusty mirage]

come back to the stinky boys

[amber mountain]

lol

[odd hazel]

oxi, why should i switch back to necro

[amber mountain]

The switch from Sub to 'sin is just a matter of time and practice

I main sub for pvp, 'sin for pve

[limber lion]

Well you can pop off as Sub next tier!

[steel geyser]

I'm not new to sin, but everything feels much more natural as sub

yea I hope I can bring both spec depending on the bosses

[gusty mirage]

This is entirely my opinion but: sbs is probably our coolest covenant ability and necro isn't that far behind venthyr ST and is better the moment there's a 2nd target

[limber lion]

Hopefully Blizzard destroys Theotar. Otherwise I'm locked behind the vampires :(

[limber lion]

[odd hazel]

tbh, it would just take a bit to get used to using SBS as sin

[amber mountain]

i like the vampires

[gusty mirage]

and you can wear a shitty covenant transmog w/ a third arm on it

[odd hazel]

i like flag though, wish the venthyr leggo was better next patch

but necro is just so much better for M+

[steel geyser]

yea SBS seems fun but also overwhelming at some point ? Never played with it yet tho

[coral hazel]

the necro legendary looks insane, i'm still doubting that it will go live this way

[gusty mirage]

tbh I don't, I want us to have as many options as possible

[odd hazel]

fuck it, i'll just switch. i dont have SF though.

why destroy theotar? its a cool buff we get.

[gusty mirage]

I've always been primarily a m+ gamer, so necro made sense to me

[odd hazel]

well, from the looks of it

like 2 fights are ST from what i've heard

so necro will be stronger most likely

[gusty mirage]

but if necro leggo goes live as is, I'll have to go back to outlaw in m+ and be sad 😦

[odd hazel]

do the extra bones proc off blade as well?

[gusty mirage]

yeap

[limber lion]

Yeah, but Venthyr is already ahead in ST, even without Theotar. Theotar just makes it so that it's also better in AoE, which is dumb.

[gusty mirage]

the damage gap will be too much for me to stick to sin in m+ 😦

[odd hazel]

thats broken as fuck.

[gusty mirage]

yeah its legit busted rn

[odd hazel]

yeah, as much as i love sin M+ wise, that'll be busted

[gusty mirage]

but I don't see it going live as is lol

[limber lion]

Apparently it's like 5% ahead of Zoldyck

[gusty mirage]

but I'm 40 renown in venthyr & necro

[limber lion]

Which is huge when comparing our legendaries to one another

5% doesn't sound much but it's quite a bit.

[odd hazel]

yeah, im 38 in both so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty mirage]

so I'm ready for you blizzard

[limber lion]

I'm 40 on 3 covenants now.

Never touching Kyrian.

[odd hazel]

i cant seem to get the last 2 renowns lmao

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

I'm like 36 or 38 in kyrian

[coral hazel]

it also procs resets from the extra targets hit, right?

the necro legendary

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

when I was a pirate

[limber lion]

Hai.

[coral hazel]

so in a scenario with adds dying periodically you could just spam it

[gusty mirage]

I LOST MY WAY CEV I'M SORRY

[limber lion]

It's okay, you're home now.

[gusty mirage]

we timing 19s as assa now

you can see where I gave up on the sub dream

[fallen arch]

Anybody ever encountered a good sub rogue in m+ nowadays?

[gusty mirage]

I haven't seen a sub rogue in fucking ages tbh

[limber lion]

Me neither

[fallen arch]

I did yesterday

224 ilvl

3.8 overall in a fast +15

YIKES

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

The only Sub I've encountered was Falling Dust

And that's only because I invited him to do a key

[fallen arch]

He bursted okayish on bosses

Rest was absolute trash

[limber lion]

Haven't seen any pug subs

[gusty mirage]

I'm averaging around 6.8-7.1k overall as assa rn

while I'd have to sweat my ass off to break 6k as outlaw

same ilvl btw

[fallen arch]

Me too

He must have cried after that key

He was talking trash about sin before that

[gusty mirage]

oof

didn't realize it was still december 2020

[fallen arch]

Then I pulled almos twice his dps

[gusty mirage]

poor guy

probably went to wowhead and started reading up on assa lmao

[fallen arch]

Hope so

I mean

He was 7/10 mythic

[gusty mirage]

everyone I run keys with is actually confused "Doesn't outlaw do more damage?"

[fallen arch]

Same lol

And usually I just stay silent

And show em

[shy dust]

2%*

[gusty mirage]

the boomie I run with just accepted that you perform better with a spec you like more

[limber lion]

Wut, I could have sworn Whispyr/Osh were saying 5% in OT yesterday

[shy dust]

no Oshosi said that

whispyr told him its around 2% better than zoldyck

[gusty mirage]

yeah

I think its 5% better than celerity for outlaw

that's where the 5% came from

[shy dust]

^

[limber lion]

Ah yeah, Osh was

Okay yeah makes sense

[amber mountain]

I tried outlaw for a bit in M+ because everyone I ran with kept pointing to it as the best. It works and it could have a higher potential, but I still do more with 'sin because I don't have to tunnel on my bars to watch cooldowns that I haven't internalized

[fallen arch]

Every spec will do I guess with proper practice

[limber lion]

A lot of people do better on Assassination, especially if they've played it more than Outlaw.

If you're playing them both on a really high level, Outlaw will pull ahead slightly.

[fallen arch]

I have found that it’s wayyyy more about the player than the spec

[odd hazel]

outlaw is a lot to watch for comparatively

feel like i need a few WA to do it nicely

[limber lion]

Always is. Top guilds recruit the player, not the class.

[odd hazel]

i also didnt like the MA play of outlaw

[fallen arch]

Outlaw felt like I was slamming all over my keyboard for less dps than sin

[odd hazel]

^tbh, felt like i did more for less

some how

[pliant apex]

is there a wa i can use just for skulkers

not the whole trinket wa, i find that hard to manage

im not very pro with that stuff

[potent rune]

for me outlaw was like never ending whack a mole

[limber lion]

You can make one using the template in the /wa

[odd hazel]

im 216 on my outlaw/218 on sin and for some reason outlaw just feels worse if i do one thing wrong

[fallen arch]

Exactly

[limber lion]

Honestly they are both specs which don't suffer from mistakes too too much.

[fallen arch]

No its not like fire mage

[limber lion]

Yep.

They get scuffed if they fail their combustion window.

[fallen arch]

If u keep fucking up your combusts there, ouch

[limber lion]

We just feel bad but the numbers stay the same

:p

[tame sigil]

Just play Monk and hit procs, spin 2 win 50k DPS ez

[shy dust]

Aoe combust is such a joke

Well combust itself is a joke

Death to fire mage

[fallen arch]

It is, but also real easy to fuck up I hve found

[shy dust]

No it’s not

[limber lion]

Yeh, fire mages

[shy dust]

Aoe combust is a free as fuck

[limber lion]

AoE combust is very simple

[shy dust]

You open hard casting a flame strike

[amber mountain]

I wish, one of my alts is a WW and it's rough on anything that's not AoE

[stoic needle]

Whispyr was originally saying that it was 5% over zoldyck but apparently there was something wrong with that sim

[limber lion]

(Phoenix > FB > Flamestrike) x3 -- then Shifting Power.

[fallen arch]

Yeah I know dude, I mained a mage for almost all 9.0

[limber lion]

Ah okay fair enough, I had no clue.

[shy dust]

Okay that’s wrong LOL

[tame sigil]

I did a Mists, I didn't die hit about 8.4k overall. Monk had several deaths, died on second last boss and hit over 9k overall with a lower ilvl than me 😂

[limber lion]

I know, I'm just throwing random words out there, I have no clue honestly

[shy dust]

[stoic needle]

I'm sad ngl I don't want to play outlaw

[fallen arch]

But if I’d get a nickel for every mage I outdpsed in m+ as rogue I’d be rich

[gusty mirage]

Then don’t, you don’t have to tbh

[fallen arch]

Like Asmongold rich

[spice spire]

Osh is a spike, he’s reverted from a Timmy

[odd hazel]

Asmongolds a joke

[gusty mirage]

I'm a joke

[spice spire]

No me

[odd hazel]

also--- i've never met a mage that did good. they always do "okay"

unless something is like

30 seconds

[gusty mirage]

you know once you play with a like a really really good mage, you don't really notice how mediocre or bad most mages are lol

[spice spire]

It’s a good thing mages don’t do good, they do well.

That was toxic, I know.

But also, yeah

[amber mountain]

I have a guy in my guild who plays fire and frost both equally well and tends to outdps everyone but this one boomkin (except on single target, where I reign)

[stoic needle]

I am not a spike

[spice spire]

100% a spike

[stoic needle]

I want to try sub in m+ actually in 9.1

[odd hazel]

mages are floppy if the fight lasts a while ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic needle]

Tornado black powder go brrr

[tame sigil]

I'm all about sticking with a class. Screw the FOTM game

[odd hazel]

i started out as sub but it just wasnt doing well

[spice spire]

“Me play outlaw because it’s best by minimal gains “

[stoic needle]

Same

[shy dust]

No they’re not

[spice spire]

Now I like that - sub M+ sounds neat

I wish I enjoyed sub

[fallen arch]

I want to play enhancement

[stoic needle]

If they give us the option to refund legendaries my celerity is the first to go in the bin

[odd hazel]

[fallen arch]

Most of em are

[spice spire]

W.

[tame sigil]

I will be honest though this patch in SL has been the only time since Cata I have thought to reroll my class from Rogue

It's been rough

[limber lion]

Why?

Rogue is doing just fine.

I mean Sub is taking a beating, but it's been like that for like 3 years.

[odd hazel]

why? rogue does extremly well besides sub

[stoic needle]

I stare at the character creation screen several times a week to decide what alt to make and just end up on my rogue

[odd hazel]

Only spec I think about switching to is spriest

[fallen arch]

What has been?

[tame sigil]

Sub was trash, Assa felt bad to play when you had to upkeep on Slice and Dice before the change. Outlaw felt like a lot more effort only to be rewarded without much when other classes could just press one button and do huge numbers

[gusty mirage]

why though

[odd hazel]

So you just didn’t like outlaw

[potent rune]

@stoic needle make 3/4 rogues for each spec and cov 😛

[stoic needle]

Real rogues use daggers

[tame sigil]

Outlaw is my fav spec

[gusty mirage]

my outlaw set uses a dagger in the offhand (:

[limber lion]

But other classes just work differently. If you want to play a spec that does a lot of damage by pressing one button, go ahead.

Outlaw will always be a spec where you ahve to spam your buttons.

If you don't enjoy that, don't play it.

[stoic needle]

I want to try ele shaman, warrior, monk or destro

[limber lion]

Sub has been trash for years now, it's not like SL destroyed them.

[heavy basalt]

I thought people played melee because it was fast

[gusty mirage]

ww monk is okay

[limber lion]

Assassination was trash in 9.0 but is perfectly fine now.

[tame sigil]

But I could crush as Outlaw in BFA, I felt this expansion required more from it to do less than a Monk or DK could do from a simpler rotation

[fallen arch]

Think it’s meant to be a pvp spec

[limber lion]

Outlaw was busted in M+ in BFA.

That's why people were legit running 3 Outlaws in a group

Sometimes even 4.

[gusty mirage]

sub became a pvp spec because of its pvp talents

and it was dogshit in pve

lol

[tame sigil]

Its cool though when it gets buffed a little or of other classes get nerfed then sticking with the class means I will be good with it

[spice spire]

My best advice is to KISS. Stick to one - decide what you want and make AN alt. Making multiple leads to mediocrity on several characters rather than being good at a couple. That is unless you have the time to use

[tame sigil]

Oh yeah, but even with the nerfs it still crushed

[gusty mirage]

Osh appears offline on bnet because he's actually playing 20 hours of wow a day 😛

[amber mountain]

I play 'Sin Rogue=>Ele/Resto Shammy=>Prot Warrior=>WW Monk
Because I've got nothing but time in WoW at the moment. As soon as new content drops, I'll narrow back down to just the Rogue and Shammy until the next drought

[limber lion]

Just play whatever you want.

[tame sigil]

Assa has only just started to become viable in M+ after a ton of buffs and chamges

[limber lion]

Who cares if a spec is "good" or not?

[spice spire]

I mean at 20 hours a day - sure you do you lmao

[limber lion]

If you're not playing in a top 100 guild or doing +25 keys, it honestly does not matter.

[spice spire]

Survival hunter has kills on sire - spec doesn’t matter. Your play does

[limber lion]

Just play what you enjoy most.

[tame sigil]

I feel lucky I'm in a fairly chill Guild I know of several that won't let any melee other than DKs

[stoic needle]

How could you expose me like this

[gusty mirage]

its because I love you

[amber mountain]

That's true for most things Cev, but if you're pugging anything, people follow the "meta" whether they're in a content level to be defined by it or not

[stoic needle]

My 20 hours of oribos laps

[gusty mirage]

ah yes the true end-game of 9.0

[limber lion]

But pugging is not limited to you only joining groups. You can just make the groups yourself.

[gusty mirage]

people talk about gladiator, rank 1 raider io, CE, hall of fame, but at the end of the day we all run laps in oribos

[amber mountain]

Most rogues should do what i do. Just be an officer and the raid lead in a guild. Build your own groups

[limber lion]

I don't, instead I run ICC and get nothing out of it.

[amber mountain]

agreed Cev, but you still need those tanks and healers 🙂

[limber lion]

:)

[gusty mirage]

that's why I didn't run it on more than one character

[limber lion]

And 14+ dps.

[gusty mirage]

it hurts too much

[mint anvil]

People upset about wow null phase meanwhile ff14 going to hit a full year on one tier

[gusty mirage]

it's mostly because we had a 10 month tier before SL and now we're quickly approaching 8 months and we may not even get 9.1 at that mark

[amber mountain]

Yep, where things get tricky is the disparity in required healers and tanks vs dps between raid and M+

[limber lion]

We have plenty of giga gamers here in Ravenholdt who play Sub mainly.

[mint anvil]

oof

[limber lion]

Which is considered the worst class in the raid currently.

And they're doing great.

[spice spire]

Invincible

[fallen arch]

F

[gusty mirage]

thanks to quarantine + nothing to do, I got like 5 characters to mythic ilvl in 8.3 lol

[limber lion]

Buuuut then again, even most of them played different specs during prog.

[limber lion]

128 attempts deep, never seen it.

[gusty mirage]

with their bis corruption, bis essences, and rank 15 cloak w/ max resist

[shy dust]

Talking shit?

[gusty mirage]

Invincible doesn't exist

[shy dust]

[gusty mirage]

Don't lie to me @limber lion it doesn't exist

[tame sigil]

People suck FF14 off for some reason despite it having all WoWs problems like online store and content drought

[fallen arch]

No, paying my respects to people sticking to that spec. Better times are ahead for them tho

[shy dust]

[tame sigil]

But I guess you can play a bunny and cat girl

[limber lion]

Ye definitely doesn't

[odd hazel]

But WoW sucks remember

[gusty mirage]

But I managed to get mimiron's head at like pull 150

[limber lion]

Every single mmorpg has their own problems.

[gusty mirage]

so I hold out hope

[limber lion]

I hate Mimiron's head.

The sound of the helicopter wings flapping about

Just annoys me

[gusty mirage]

I thought it was so cool, until I realized how loud it is

[limber lion]

Idk

Yeah exactly, the sound is the issue for me

[gusty mirage]

same w/ the mechagon hard mode mount lol

[limber lion]

It's pretty dope sure but it's way too loud

[amber mountain]

like the choppers, or the eng mounts

Oh, side question. What race does everyone play? And do you have a reason for it? For instance, I play Vulpera for my rogue because they're small, horde, and not goblins (can't stand gobbo's sounds).

[odd hazel]

Mecha gnome because they are v good and better then regular gnomes

[amber mountain]

I literally chose between goblin and vulpera because of the sound (the mount thing made me think of it)

[fallen arch]

I play Void Elf because I think they look way cool

And entropic embrace is nice

[limber lion]

I play Blood Elf because I've played Blood Elf since TBC and Blood Elf is the best race and looks the best.

Mechagnome for the big dick dps gains though as Alliance

[amber mountain]

Ah, i can't stand some of the blood elf animations >.<

[limber lion]

Orc if you don't care about your character.

[vagrant bison]

Orc has the best animations

[amber mountain]

I like the smaller races because we're harder to click on, and we can cheesily hide in shrubs and behind crates in pvp

[tame sigil]

Goblin >:c

[amber mountain]

Gobbo's got good animations (Vulpera use them)

[vagrant bison]

Maybe for those that don't use keybinds 😂

[amber mountain]

In arena's yes

In open world? not so much

[willow eagle]

You can also get bigger nameplates and the character size wont matter

[amber mountain]

I don't have an argument for that 😛

[vast forum]

there's an addon that mutes the sound of mechanical mounts

if you want the aesthetics without the annoying sound 😄

[odd hazel]

Or just play with no sound

[vast forum]

nah

how will i know what spell i press if i can't hear it go off 😄

[odd hazel]

[limber lion]

It's okay, I don't have the mounts and never use them anyways :P

[vast forum]

it mutes them even when there are other ppl using them

when i found out, i instantly installed it

fuck ppl who use the chopper

[gusty mirage]

oh: Be Quiet is the best addon ever made for wow

and no one can change my mind

[vast forum]

the one i was referring to is Leatrix Plus

[gusty mirage]

Leatrix is nice too, I'm a fan

[limber lion]

Wtf

I've been using Leatrix for like 4 years now

That has to be a new feature then

[vast forum]

/ltp

[limber lion]

Never knew about it

[gusty mirage]

but after installing BeQuiet I never had to hear about the brutosaur being sent into a panic

ever

no more "YOU'RE BEING HUNTED" in torghast

its fucking wonderful

[vast forum]

the option isn't THAT new, i've had the addon for a bit over a year now and the option has been there 😄

[limber lion]

Yeah I set it up in BFA and never looked at it again

I've been using it for automation mainly

[frigid jasper]

in the shiv window, do you want to prio mut casts or evenom casts? or is it a case-by-case basis depending on energy pooling?

[limber lion]

Mutilate is a generator

Envenom is a finisher

They work and function completely differently.

[gusty mirage]

try to pool a good amount of energy before going into shiv

then mut to max-1 -> enevenom

[limber lion]

You still build to max-1 even during Shiv windows.

Nothing changes.

You don't start slamming 1cp envenoms if that's what you're asking

[frigid jasper]

yeah I get that, It's just I'm looking at a log where the guy is mutting 4 times in a row before evenoming in his shiv window

[limber lion]

Don't do that.

Probably got parried on the first one

[fallen arch]

Thats 2 envenoms

Probably

It hits twice every cast

[limber lion]

Or just very unlucky

Which log was it on?

If it's Huntsman or Sire then it's just padding with Doomblade

[gusty mirage]

those are 2 casts

[fallen arch]

Its in 1 global

[limber lion]

That's just 2 casts.

Don't look at that.

[fallen arch]

So 1 cast per 2 hits

[limber lion]

Look at timelines > casts

[gusty mirage]

mutilate shows up twice because it's technically 2 attacks

[frigid jasper]

ah right, my baad

[gusty mirage]

dang that guy is either wasting CP or getting stupid unlucky with his mutilates lol

[limber lion]

Look at timelines, don't look at events.

Let me show you what events can sometimes look like

[frigid jasper]

that's what I went for first but WCL was saying something about still needing to construct the section to I moved onto events

[limber lion]

You need to choose casts.

You probably had something else selected.

What's your opinion on this rotation?

[frail fossil]

very ethical gameplay

[gusty mirage]

that's a lot of mutilates

you degenerate

[limber lion]

Celestial and Sinful ruining it

:(

[gusty mirage]

ngl I miss flagellation

[limber lion]

I don't.

[gusty mirage]

looking at my shriek parse and I just see flag into a rupture

[limber lion]

Even as a Venthyr, I would much rather prefer SBS

[gusty mirage]

@frigid jasper this is what it would look like with a casts timeline:

[fallen arch]

Eh

[frigid jasper]

fair, bit of an odd one for it to be registering a left hand and right hand strike, feels like some sort of outdated mechanic dating back to when there was MH/OH weps

[limber lion]

Not really because each hand can independently crit and apply poisons.

And get parried.

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion when you get 2 PIs and Cev still beats your best shriek parse

[limber lion]

I believe! Soon

I'm private log gang now so I can't upgrade my parses anymore

[gusty mirage]

yeah but you won the game

you're in a top guild

parses are meaningless now

you being in there alone is enough clout

[limber lion]

Yeah that's true, but logging and parsing was one of my favorite things to do as well.

[frail fossil]

u can, but we cant see them

[limber lion]

Yeah, they don't really hold the same weight anymore though.

[frail fossil]

yeah but

you're the number 1 in our heart

[gusty mirage]

Is it weird that my proudest parse this tier is an outlaw parse?

[frail fossil]

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

No!

We like big parses regardless of spec

[frail fossil]

and u can still compete with some of the rogue players who own in the discord

[gusty mirage]

I was a boomer who 99 parsed sludge as outlaw

[frail fossil]

jesus how bro

in hc or mythic?

[gusty mirage]

heroic

[frail fossil]

oh

[gusty mirage]

my guild's hardstuck on council remember?

[frail fossil]

cuz in mythic i still haven't bee able to get a decent sludge parse

very upsetting

i need the true bearing broadside roll

on god

[steel geyser]

On 2 targets fight do you CT during shiv or the no Ct during shiv applies only to ST ?

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't CT during shiv even with 2 targets

but I could be wrong

[spice spire]

Built different

[limber lion]

I would.

[frail fossil]

i think u keep CT up even during shiv

u dont want CT to fall off

[spice spire]

Only on ST do you not CT during shiv windows

[gusty mirage]

meh

[steel geyser]

Thx boys

[cobalt pelican]

only necrolord rogues count

[frail fossil]

on multiple target i kinda yolo shiv tbf

[gusty mirage]

it feels so wasted

[spice spire]

Same

[frail fossil]

i just press it on cd

[limber lion]

A CF other than Whispyr in here?

[gusty mirage]

nameless fairy pops in from time to time

its like a big foot sighting

[spice spire]

This is the degenerate chat 🙂

[limber lion]

Weak dibs in once in a while as well tbf

[spice spire]

And koji

[gusty mirage]

and then koji does as well when we demand he releases whispyr from the sim dungeon

[limber lion]

Yup.

[spice spire]

That’s it iirc

[gusty mirage]

Theree was a rare Mystler sighting in here earlier in the tier

[spice spire]

Oh the day he ruined my disillusioned self on spaghetti coding

I remember

Niya herbs

[frail fossil]

sub during beta was so wild guy was posting there with fuu

[limber lion]

:p

[gusty mirage]

sub during beta is why I perma muted that channel

lol

[spice spire]

Guy in a non-OL chat

[frail fossil]

sub had no CF

so was only fuu

[spice spire]

Ahh

[gusty mirage]

yeah but fuu is the collective work of all our TCs into a self-aware computer

he's better, faster, and stronger

[spice spire]

Correct

Idk if it’s even a meme at this point

[frail fossil]

the truth is push been dodging that CF role for too long

[gusty mirage]

one day we'll convince him

remember flower, once upon a time Whispyr was a normie like us

[frail fossil]

i know

cuz i was here when he got promoted

he was yelling at me when i said i thought assa scaled during beta

still had a red name

legend

[gusty mirage]

Zine scared me away from RH at that time

I used to think I was so smart, and every time I'd say something stupid Zine would shred me

so I stayed quiet for like the back end of bfa

[spice spire]

Whispyr yelled at everyone lmao

Ahhh 34 memes

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr's never yelled at me 🙂

zine conditioned me to keep the stupid shit to myself

[spice spire]

You don’t spout off nonsense though - I was about to say zine did it for him

[frail fossil]

man if i had been there while zine was still active here

he would have obliterated me

[spice spire]

100%

[frail fossil]

i got yelled at by a lot of CF still

[gusty mirage]

I do appreciate Zine for that, it made me always double and triple check what I'm going to say. Or emphasize that I could be misremembering or misinterpreting stuff

or if I don't know the answer, I just stay quiet

[shy dust]

And not just the CFs

[spice spire]

You’ll always open with “I’m pretty sure x” like you did with the CT thing above. You’re not locking in your answer if someone is more knowledgeable and checks it behind you.

Which goes a long way in the more niche questions that are presented

[gusty mirage]

Yeah after seeing the shit Guy, solo, and whispyr have dealt with so far in this tier. The last thing I want to do is say something wrong and be a source of misinformation

[frail fossil]

dont know who u're talking about

[cobalt pelican]

idk who you even are but good work speedrunning meme status

[gusty mirage]

Flower is the newest RH prodigy

young, impressionable, and gets bullied. Perfect for building him up after we tear him down

[shy dust]

[frail fossil]

can you not do that in a main channel

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[teal bloom]

Based on raid testing, do you think 9.1 raid will favor venthyr or necrolords?

[limber lion]

Necrolords, but anything can happen

[pliant apex]

favor rogues you mean?

[frail fossil]

both are good in diferrent ways

like venthyr is better on sludge

but necro is better on sire

or slg

[limber lion]

Yeah because he was asking about 9.0.5

And not Sanctum of Domination

Oh wait

[odd hazel]

[spice spire]

Toxic

[frail fossil]

just giving example

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[limber lion]

Weird examples.

[frail fossil]

that sbs and venthyr benefit from different type of things

[limber lion]

It's like saying "Fire mage is better in M+, Assa is better on Shriek"

Different things work on different kind of encounters.

[frail fossil]

[limber lion]

Who would have thunk

[amber mountain]

Venthyr benefit from tea parties and parasols

[gusty mirage]

sounds like a good time to me, sign me up

[cobalt pelican]

i imagine everyone will just be necro as base and swap to venthyr if needed for a specific boss

but tbh that's how it should be now and most people are venthyr for some reason

[limber lion]

Yeah, that will most likely be the case.

[cobalt pelican]

so who knows

[limber lion]

Most people are Venthyr because we're abusing Theotar's potion cheese.

[amber mountain]

Swapping covenants is no easy feat

[frail fossil]

or sub is bis and everyone go venthyr

[frail fossil]

it is tho

[limber lion]

I swapped to Venthyr only because of Theotar and it's the same for many others.

[odd hazel]

If I was mythic raiding I’d stay necro tbh

[amber mountain]

I'm venthyr because I've always been Venthyr

[gusty mirage]

swapping is actually the easiest part of the whole system

[limber lion]

Swapping is very simple.

[odd hazel]

It literally takes no time to switch

[gusty mirage]

its the conduit energy not resetting that's a bitch

[amber mountain]

Isn't there a time lockout?

[limber lion]

I just do the quest and I can just turn it in when I want

[gusty mirage]

only if you want to switch back

[odd hazel]

If you do it at the beginning of the week sure

[frail fossil]

i'm probably gonna go bacj t oventhyr soon

to have some fun with assa and sub and level renown

[gusty mirage]

swapping to a new convenant is instant

[frail fossil]

and go back to necrolord after

[amber mountain]

right, but then wouldn't you need to swap back the next week? I'm very confused by the concept that swapping is easy. I've done it once one way (on my shammy), but never flipped back.

[frail fossil]

it's time gated

[odd hazel]

Do the swap quest on Monday

Do the second quest Tuesday

[frail fossil]

so it's more annoying than hard

[steel geyser]

there is 2 weeklys right ? You do the first one week 1 and week 2 you hold on to the quest until you wanna go back ?

[onyx blade]

necro seems pretty good for sin

[gusty mirage]

it does take 2 weeks/resets to swap, but you can just do the first one the day before reset and the final one on reset

[onyx blade]

not sure venth is worth the swap

[odd hazel]

Venth is worth on pure ST and priority damage

[onyx blade]

i guess it depends on gear. necro sims higher for me than venth for sin

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[odd hazel]

That should never be the case. Are you simming correctly

On ST?

[onyx blade]

yes sir. patch 10m

[odd hazel]

Why 10?

Should always be 5m

No fight is 10M that’s pure ST

Also are you simming with the lashing conduit

[onyx blade]

yes

[odd hazel]

Still confused on the 10M sim

[onyx blade]

i mean it's a 2m CD, so why does it matter?

[odd hazel]

Because no fight is that long that is ST

[onyx blade]

i'll do 5m now

[echo estuary]

All venth sin rogues just wanna go sub

[onyx blade]

tbh i think you're focused on something that doesn't matter though 🙂 but easy for me to change

[odd hazel]

I mean