assassination

[balmy condor]

I would sim conduits

[barren crater]

Necro

[balmy condor]

Use Sudden fractures

[barren crater]

Necro assa mainly. I paly sub in pvp but not often anymore

[barren crater]

That what I thought but I couldnt find any info if that was really the way to go

What about the other potency?

[balmy condor]

We don’t run double potency

[barren crater]

Oh so I am really far off

[limber lion]

My boy needs to read a guide.

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Yeah just sim conduits

[barren crater]

Thank you my friend.

[balmy condor]

There’s soulbinds in the pins

[barren crater]

Ah so I need to get the Bonesmith tree

Thanks for the info and links

[stoic needle]

Maim mangle will probably be the 3rd potency of choice next patch for st

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather play poisoned katar

[balmy condor]

I’d probably just stick with Lp

[sly spruce]

I used to 😄

[balmy condor]

[alpine latch]

To run heroic for anima.. or not to run heroic for anima. FML

[frosty bridge]

I forgot to ask 1 thing

Do i hold the last p2 vendetta on sire so i can use it 3x in p3?

or do you not get a 3rd one either way

[balmy condor]

Sorry you’re out of questions

[frosty bridge]

dang

[balmy condor]

Would you like to buy crystals to refresh your questions?

Only 300 dollars for 20

[frosty bridge]

Class discord monetization 😡

Worse than store mounts

[balmy condor]

This is a @limber lion question though I’m a casual

[sly spruce]

@balmy condor Thank you for being very helpful!

[sinful cradle]

If you do not lack dmg to push denathrius at a reasonable % then you should hold the second p2 vendetta and use twice in p3

[upper mortar]

Can't get a 3rd in p3 anyway

[gusty mirage]

idk about that rumor has it @limber lion 's actually a dogshit player

[limber lion]

You only get two. The usual cooldown allignment is 1x Vend P1, 1x Vend P2, 2x Vend P3. If you're assigned for the first add in P2, you can squeeze a second vendetta in P2. Sometimes people use a second Vendetta in P1, but it's most likely very unnecessary and only possible if you're assigned for the second add.

[spice spire]

Triple potency when?

[lavish grove]

omg first time doing torghast as necro

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=343221/hollow-bones is busted as hell

I'm a sniper lol

[limber swallow]

yea, I ran into that yesterday. There's another one that increases the damage of your bone spikes as well

imagine that shit with the 9.1 legendary

[limber lion]

Ye, you can one shot bosses with this and unceasing chain link

Around 400k damage with a single SBS, on normal Torghast the bosses have around 350k hp in L8 F6

[lavish grove]

You MFD into SnD then SBS?

😂 daaamn

[limber lion]

Ye, MFD, then you run away as far as you can, then you stealth snd sbs

You also use Nightstalker

[lavish grove]

And MA leggo 😄

[limber lion]

Yep!

[lavish grove]

Ok this is ridiculous 😄 I'm finally going to enjoy finishing twisted corridors, just need to roll this power

[scenic meteor]

anyone here raid with sin and pvp with sub?

[limber lion]

A little dabble yes.

[scenic meteor]

im just wondering if i need two seperate armor for stat prio for each spec

or is it easier making two chars lol

[balmy condor]

Don’t make 2 characters

That’s giga troll

[limber lion]

Ye

[balmy condor]

Just get a second set of gear

[limber lion]

You should make 4 instead, one for each covenant

[thorny pond]

If you aren't multi charactering for a fringe CE guild are you even trying?

[scenic meteor]

ok 😄

its just i love sin in raids but not much in general content

and dont really enjoy sin in m+

but also like playing sub pvp

and sub when doing wq and maw stuff

[limber lion]

I mean

[subtle tundra]

ok so just swap specs?

[limber lion]

You can play Sin fine with full PvP gear

You don't need to gear for raids particularly.

[scenic meteor]

i would paly sub for everything but ive heard they are really bad in raids

[limber lion]

Fear not, they are looking great for 9.1.

For now.

[scenic meteor]

😄

[fluid dust]

How's sub aoe for 9.1

[subtle tundra]

#subtlety

[fluid dust]

Is that 15% passive crit for FoK a good change

kk

[deft obsidian]

There’s great and there’s “how does it compare to the other specs”

[frail fossil]

it compare pretty fucking well

[limber lion]

Well, Sub is the highest single target spec in 9.1

[frail fossil]

by having one if not the highest ST in the game

[limber lion]

But I mean it's like 2 months away

Plenty of time for Blizzard to nerf it

Don't worry

[balmy condor]

bUt ThE rAiD iSnT jUsT SiNgLe TaRgEt fLoWeR

[kind talon]

True

[frail fossil]

outlaw spec ✅

[kind talon]

Good POINT whispyr

[deft obsidian]

Precisely. I mean they really pushed for it to be strong in 9.0 and I recall everyone losing their shit in the lead up to launch. So I’ll hold excitement for now

[limber lion]

It was busted in PTR, it wasn't busted on release

It was only busted because of some weird shenanigans with legendaries and talents.

[deft obsidian]

Not that it would bother me entirely, I oddly enjoy sins play style, improvements could be made sure but what spec is flawless

[cerulean nest]

did a complete UI overhaul. maybe now we'll kill council

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[frail fossil]

i'm feeling it in the air tonight

u kill council

[cerulean nest]

wednesday*

i can feel it too though. like a dog before a storm

[frail fossil]

ur best pull on it ?

[cerulean nest]

almost to last phase nik, with some people dead

our group's dps just sucks, thats the only issue

[frail fossil]

hm depends if u can nail niklaus phase in one night then

i dont know how it is since the nerf

[cerulean nest]

just gotta decide whether we're burning add then lusting on nik, or lusting right away and just cleaving

havent had enough goes at Nik to see which is best

[deft obsidian]

Tends to come down to the ability of tanking/kiting the adds. If you struggle then burning em makes life easier but the fight a bit longer

[strange python]

my guild is on council too and they wanna try killing stavros last

[balmy condor]

Stav last seems kinda rough tbh

[strange python]

kinda sketch idk

Yea

[balmy condor]

Just Tell your tanks to stop getting shredded

5head

[tulip nacelle]

Should be fine after the nerfs imo

[pure tide]

yall do MA for mythic+ ?

[limber lion]

Nah, we're Zoldyck gamers in here.

[frosty bridge]

YOOOO @limber lion

Thanks dude

[cerulean nest]

ours is talking about Frieda last right now

[frosty bridge]

Donny down

[cerulean nest]

i guess turns it into more of a healing fight?

[limber lion]

Eyy, congrats!

[frosty bridge]

😁

[pure moth]

Grats

[balmy condor]

God you’re so fucking hot dude

What a gamer

[frosty bridge]

im a mega nub but it's honest work

50 parse. pefectly balanced

[balmy condor]

Boss dead

All that matters

[frail fossil]

jesus this emote

[balmy condor]

I have a gif version if you prefer

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

[frail fossil]

degens

[limber lion]

[frail fossil]

delete this RIGHT NOW

[limber lion]

Get out of our chat you filthy yellow boy

[balmy condor]

This is real sin gaming

[frail fossil]

this is why no one likes y'all

[scenic meteor]

can someone show/tell me their single target conduits for venthyr sin

[fading wigeon]

Lashing or WPS are the ones that sim best for me

[limber lion]

Lashing Scars. That's it.

Lashing Scars for everything. We don't use a second potency conduit.

[gusty mirage]

what am I going to do with my 213 WPS then Cev? HMM?

[fading wigeon]

Lol

[scenic meteor]

lashing on

ok

cheers

im using lashing and wps

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Stop doing that.

[limber lion]

.

[scenic meteor]

oh

[limber lion]

You use Dauntless Duelist.

I don't understand why everyone wants to play double potency

It's soooooooooo common

I don't get it

Our potencies are so awful

[gusty mirage]

because want our potencies to be good

[scenic meteor]

lol ive been playing shadowlands 3 weeks

[gusty mirage]

and if we believe hard enough they might be

[scenic meteor]

im just putting randomn stuff

[shy dust]

because dauntless duelist is awful

[fading wigeon]

Benn start simming best way to tell. Use raidbots

[limber lion]

Definitely

A lot of people insist on playing Maim Mangle as well

Idk

[gusty mirage]

I blame blizzard for that

[fading wigeon]

Blizzard just needs to delete conduits or fix them

Make them interesting

It's lazy design

[gusty mirage]

dw guys we can get our new conduit upgrades from TORGHAST

[limber lion]

I think Torghast can be fun, especially if sockets and conduit are used as incentive for doing it.

It's awful when there's no proper rewards to get.

[austere swallow]

[balmy condor]

Have you ever gotten to the second to last floor of twisting corridors on the last layer you needed

And then gotten one shot over and over

And been unable to complete the floor

Cause that shit made me mad

[gusty mirage]

yes

[kind talon]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

I didn't even log out, I held the power button on my pc

[kind talon]

I got wiped over and over on the final boss

[gusty mirage]

and walked away

[limber lion]

I did have a run where I got to the last boss and I legitimately could not kill it.

[kind talon]

Alt f4 ez

[limber lion]

But yeh, Torghast is shit. A lot of potential, shitty execution.

[gusty mirage]

wow sounds like all of bfa and sl so far

[balmy condor]

Wow sounds like wow

[gusty mirage]

idk my nostalgia glasses tell me wrath was better than it probably was

[compact pumice]

wrath had good raids

but they introduced catchup on gear and like generally everyone was geared to the teeth without even trying

you weren't a superstar anymore if you had cleared all raid tiers

Like you used to be

they changed a lot

made it very casual friendly, for better or worse

[limber lion]

Wrath was apparently awful

Balance was out of the window completely

Ulduar was the only good raid

[compact pumice]

I think I preferred TBC and Classic, like the general direction

[limber lion]

Lich King was the only good boss in ICC

[compact pumice]

Ulduar was fun AF. The hard mode was fun

but PVP balance was a bit whack

just due to Death Knights

well, mainly, but it was a bit back and forth in pathces

[limber swallow]

there were so many broken builds in wrath. Combat Shiv for example

[compact pumice]

prot palas healing in 2s was annoying AF

[potent rune]

what about honor among theives?

[shut leaf]

Boys my guild is progressing on Sir Donny mythic, But I cant decide if I should go assa or outlaw. I tried assa today but It feels off. Anyone wanna check my logs to give me some pointers?

[compact pumice]

Naxx wasn't a bad raid, it just was too easy rather than how it was tuned in Vanilla

also recycled content is annoying

[marsh minnow]

Hi there really basic question: what is the AoE rotation? FoK as a builder, put Rupture, SBS, and Garrote on everyone, and Envenom a priority target?

[limber lion]

Depends on your talents, covenant and legendary.

You can read about it here

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[marsh minnow]

thank you

which guide do you prefer @limber lion ?

[limber lion]

I like Wowhead's format the most.

But they all have the same information pretty much

[marsh minnow]

okay good to know. mage info contradicts a bit between sources, and I'm just learning rogue

[limber lion]

Yeah no worries.

And if anything arises, you can always come here and ask

[outer oak]

Mage isn't the only one warlock guides are bad its why I always ask since I started learning another toon lol I feel the pain @marsh minnow

[balmy condor]

We rogue

We monkey

Monkey strong together

[limber lion]

[kind talon]

🦧

[gusty mirage]

[warped temple]

[balmy condor]

But yeah all the guide writers and theorycrafters in the rogue community are huge

Honestly great

[iron orchid]

Peak community moment right there

[limber lion]

Aww thanks

You too

[balmy condor]

Bitch did I say Ceverion

Jk

[limber lion]

You just wait for my Necrolord Assassination 9.1 Guide for the Sanctum of Domination (GONE WRONG) (GONE SEXUAL) video

[kind talon]

🥶 sheeeeeesh

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

9.1 ASSASSINATION GUIDE | Necrolord | Boning people to death | UPDATED | M+ | Raid

[strange python]

so sub will be better st in 9.1 than assass?

[limber lion]

Yoink

[balmy condor]

From the looks of it atm yeh

[limber lion]

There's the title, now I just need to get a thumbnail

[kind talon]

Just use ahegao

[carmine token]

Do you think they will change how switching covenants work in 9.1? Was thinking of switching and leveling up necro but figured i'd wait and see what it looks like

[balmy condor]

Doubt it

[stoic needle]

I'm pretty sure they said they had no plans to make the covenant switching process easier

[potent rune]

yea im pretty sure they are dying on that hill

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[dark jewel]

is it more worth popping 2 vendettas p1 sire or holding second?

[balmy condor]

Hold

P1 damage is giga free

You probably have too much of it anyways

[gusty mirage]

18 wake, so nothing too hard. Less than 1 mill damage from weapons

@balmy condor I'm about to do a 19 halls as assa, coming for you on the leaderboards

Not this season sir

[warped temple]

You have 2-3 months. U got this Oxi!

[limber lion]

Easy peasy Adam

[balmy condor]

Wow actively rooting against me

[gusty mirage]

I'm the lovable trashcan, what can I say

[plush aurora]

Does anyone know if Assassination and Outlaw share the same loot table other than weapons?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[limber lion]

Yes they do

[plush aurora]

ty!\

[warped temple]

Oxi has told me his dream for just one season is to crush you, because you have always beaten him.... give him some hope!

[balmy condor]

No

[limber lion]

Whispyr is a man who has everything and more.

[balmy condor]

We stomp all adversaries into the dirt

I’m a very competitive man you see

If oxi were to beat me one season

I wouldn’t be surprised if he idk

Disappeared

On a tropical vacation

And didn’t come back

[gusty mirage]

you know I may have beaten you in season 3

I didn't look that far back

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s entirely possible

[gusty mirage]

last second +17 tol dogor bumped me up more than I deserved lol

[warped temple]

hahah hey you probably beat me too. s1-3 i was a ksm andy. 💪

[gusty mirage]

now I have to check

[limber lion]

Imagine

[gusty mirage]

"ksm andy"

had 20s across the board

only beat me by a small margin @warped temple 700 io

[warped temple]

s1-3!

not 4!

[gusty mirage]

that was season 3!

season 4 you doubled my IO

[warped temple]

i only seriously played starting s4 haha

[limber lion]

Ripp

[gusty mirage]

7k vs 3400

[warped temple]

channeled my inner korean. wait 7k? i think that was prepatch

[gusty mirage]

rio combined post-season and season I guess

[warped temple]

Yeah idk

[primal saddle]

Hello, I haven't played rogue since the beginning of time, when I study logs etc, I see that assassin rogue is good in Castle Nathria while Combat is good in M+, if I am interested in playing both, which faction should I choose?

Sorry not combat I mean outlaw

[real kettle]

in my opinion i would say go necro if u wanna do both but venth is better for sin raid

[compact pumice]

Necro is good for both. Necro is also good as assa though, and very slightly behind on ST

[real kettle]

overall its not that big difference

[real kettle]

yes exactly

[compact pumice]

Venth is not really that far behind, its about 80 dps, on ST and wins on 2 target

[limber lion]

Definitely Necro.

[primal saddle]

So what you are saying, unless I'm top mythic raider minmaxer I should just go withe ither necro or venth depending on which I like more?

(which im not)

[compact pumice]

Yeah you can choose whatever you want

[limber lion]

Just go Necro

[compact pumice]

You can even choose night fae if you want

it's good enough

[real kettle]

if u you gonna play outlaw go necro

if you gonna stay sin go venth

very simple

if you will do both go necro

[compact pumice]

Nah, Sin doesn't automatically mean venthyr, I disagree

If you only play sin for all content, I'd say Necro

[real kettle]

he asks about single target

[limber lion]

Just play Necro

[real kettle]

or raid

thats why i said venth

[compact pumice]

Raid is not only single target, Necro is better on many bosses tbh

[plain thistle]

and its not that bad in ST

[limber lion]

Necro.

[plain thistle]

necro

[digital token]

Preparing for dks to not be as viable, and looking to find a new main for all sorts of content. What are the chances rogue's become super raid viable 9.1?

[compact pumice]

We're looking to be pretty good on single target and few target cleave bosses in terms of damage. Right now rogues bring nothing in terms of raid utility though but there's been hints on getting something.

If you're looking for super raid viable you should probably look to a caster, IMO. But I think rogues will have spots in many raids though. Damage is good and survivability is good.

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor

[limber lion]

nice.

[compact pumice]

Anyone have any tip on using Mouseover-macros when shit moves all the time? Sometimes I miss and I have it automatically go to the target if I dont mouseover anything. Should I remove that and just rely on mouseover? That seems annoying when I just have like one target though....

It's both MFD and SBS for me now

[limber lion]

Gotta get used to it, or turn your characters back against the main target so you cannot accidentally throw it at it

Haven't had issues myself, probably just needs some practice

[compact pumice]

But that would prob fuck dps even more if I'm not autooing my target?

[limber lion]

Yes sir

But it's just one gcd

So it's not that bad

[compact pumice]

Like on SLG just after landing after KS I had just a few moments to use SBS/MFD before skirmishes died

shit just moved all around too it seemed like

[limber lion]

Yeh

It's just a case of practice. It'll get better with time

[compact pumice]

I guess yeah

[limber lion]

You get used to the timing of the teleports and whatnot

[compact pumice]

first raid with it

[limber lion]

Yeh

[compact pumice]

But I have used MFD on mouseover for ages

and I miss that sometimes still

[limber lion]

MfD + SbS is an awful combo to play with imo

[compact pumice]

but feels less like a loss

[limber lion]

It's too much

Having two resetting abilities is just overwhelming

[compact pumice]

I would never as assa

but hmm

There's just too much CPs you can get when there are so many adds like on SLG

[limber lion]

I just played DS on SLG as Outlaw

I can't be bothered

[compact pumice]

oh?

Hm might try it

Well maybe not, seems a lot of people want to break until 9.1

SLG seems like a cockblock for sure

[limber lion]

I know several guilds that took a break on SLG or disbanded

[compact pumice]

I think it's just hard to see progress on the fight. I think it's more about getting everyone used to all mechanics rather than getting through every phase. So when different people get mechanics at different times it might seem like you're regressing but I dunno, I think a few more pulls would do it but since we get to phase 3 very rarely still it's a bit demoralizing I guess.

[digital token]

Thanks for the response! I know ranged is more raid meta but I'm just a melee at heart now

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

now we battle for #1 and #2

just need 300 more io

each

[balmy condor]

You’re better than them man

[compact pumice]

Yeah out of all the melee's we're not too bad. Like we can't compete with someone being the only monk or only warrior of course but apart from that, if DK's get the nerf bat then Rogue might not be too bad compared to the rest of the melee specs.

[hollow river]

I feel like people might just stack even more DKs

[gusty mirage]

no u

[median aurora]

problem arises unless they add a raid cd rogue loses a spot on any fight with value for said raid cd - which in the current tier DK does everything rogue does bar like recent raw number slamming but better and has a raid cd. out of all the melee's anno is correct cz rogues are solid but you compete for very limited spots vs 2 buffs and raid cds

potentially more competition depending on if your guild has solid fringe class players

[compact pumice]

Yeah, he specifically wanted to play melee, and he was a DK though so

God forbid Warriors do crazy damage. That would mean stacking them for sure for rallying

[median aurora]

if the current venthyr fury legendary goes through gl melee spots

[compact pumice]

Like if all raid buffs were on a global so you couldn't stack it then it wouldn't be a problem, then you would want more diversity so you had more cd's overall

[median aurora]

not to derail from rogue though, cuz rn if its his option of DK or rogue, ifs whens and hints might not happen. current tuning rogue but would require a raid cd to push you off dk unless they gut AMZ

[compact pumice]

He specifically mentioned if AMZ got gutted though

but yeah, DK is probably the safe bet right now anyway

unless they do a flip and rogue gets something

[median aurora]

the sneaky thoughts are two higher up people have now on their own prompt mentioned smoke bomb

so do with that what you will

[silent tinsel]

Anyone know what add set on sire you have to start holding cds so they are up for p3?

[compact pumice]

Ion did sound like he didn't want to give them smoke bomb though, probably since it's PVP atm.

[median aurora]

all they really have to do is add the PvP talent being an LoS component

and the PvE varient not having that

[silent tinsel]

Ion said potentially

[median aurora]

that's the quick fix most likely

[silent tinsel]

The Los break is the best part tho, cheesing mechanics because some left a Los check in by accident

[compact pumice]

yeah but that's two different spells with the same animation etc. I don't think it's trivial for them unless they remove the PVP talent or merge them

[median aurora]

you have pvp talents adding functionality already

IE tricks having the damage component

[compact pumice]

Yeah if they merge them then that's easy

[median aurora]

but yeah, a raid cd is the dream

[compact pumice]

tbh I'd rather no raid CD's or something like Bloodlust where many classes have the same and you can't stack it.

[median aurora]

a few would rather global OR no buffs / raid cds but blizzard has said they like it so w/e

roll with the punches and take the best of the scenarios they want you to have

[compact pumice]

If they would ask me "We are thinking of adding some cool raid-wide defensive cooldowns into the game, what do you think?" I would probably say, "It sounds cool but hard to balance, how are you planning on balancing it between classes?". "Not at all", "Oh. Okay. "

[digital token]

Not if they cap amz like they said they would. Unless they pull ahead on dps

[compact pumice]

If they cap AMZ then maybe 4 AMZ at the same time is good enough. Hence maybe stack it.

[silent tinsel]

They could just make amz reduce in effectiveness for every target beyond 5

[median aurora]

capping amz made it useless in the past, but rn its a short cd, huge bubble and massive duration

[balmy condor]

Or just make it blood only

Or just get rid of it

Cause it’s dumb

[silent tinsel]

I'd advocate for buffing windfury totem

[compact pumice]

with a cap it's either worthless or slightly good on it's own depending on the number. But if it's slightly good since it's stackable then maybe have 5 DK's use it, if it's not that much of a DPS loss then they get back one 9.0 use of AMZ for the prize of 4 more melee slots

[balmy condor]

Nah get rid of that shit too

[compact pumice]

But it's not like blizzard is counting

[silent tinsel]

Tbc group buffs

[median aurora]

wft is useless as well unless

specifically

arms is stacked

[balmy condor]

Dps bringing big raid cooldowns and buffs is fine, if everyone got them, and they had niche usages or weren’t impactful enough/didn’t stack

But the way it’s right now is super giga aids

[compact pumice]

stackable buffs is just... yikes.

Who thought that is a good idea

[silent tinsel]

Magic and physical Debuff are stupid,

[balmy condor]

PI working on other targets is cringe
War banner is cringe
Amz is cringe
Removing scrolls for war/priest/mage is cringe
Priest fairy is cringe
Windfury only working on a group and only being available on 1 spec is GIGA cringe

Just throw it all in the dumpster

Get rid of it

[silent tinsel]

Then we go back to people stacking the absolute best output classes

[balmy condor]

Nah

You add niches

[silent tinsel]

Hfc arcane

[balmy condor]

WoD was a very long time ago

[small crypt]

Even without any changes to amz rogue or especially sin has some niches in the new raid

just look at kel thuzad's intermission

put 1 or 2 sins in there and they kill the mob alone

[balmy condor]

Yeah, our niche is doing damage

[silent tinsel]

Numbing and weakness stack I heard

[small crypt]

*not only damage but high st burst

[balmy condor]

Sin doesn’t burst

If you want burst just take another mage

Or a lock even, they’re pretty good at that atm

Or like

Sub

Or anything else really

[silent tinsel]

Zul tax

[balmy condor]

Except outlaw

Outlaw doesn’t burst at all

[silent tinsel]

Group buffs when it was harder to level an alt made building a comp more interesting imo

[compact pumice]

KS does OK burst tbh

but it's

[balmy condor]

Yeah KS is okay

But you have to build into that

[compact pumice]

minor compared to ranged

[balmy condor]

And it’s jank

[stoic needle]

calling ks burst when ww monks burst for 40k+ with spinning crane kick is kind of hilarious

[silent tinsel]

Just give back the KS that lasted forever and got you killed to mechanics. The ultimate risk reward button

[balmy condor]

Thinking we’re talking about aoe

[granite thistle]

Gearing a rogue for 9.1. I've been trying to do some research my own, but haven't found an answer yet, maybe because there isnt one. Venthyr or Necro for 9.1 SoD? Currently Venthyr for raid

[balmy condor]

Looking like necro atm

But blizzard could pull a 180

[granite thistle]

Ok. I'll level both covs then.

[balmy condor]

And just giga nerf it out of nowhere

[stoic needle]

ks doesn't seem like very good st burst either

[granite thistle]

@balmy condor Thanks man. Appreciate it

[compact pumice]

Nah it's more AOE tbh

But I mean it bursts more then just normal rotation doing a Vanish > Ambush > KS > Dispatch with MA of course.

[stoic needle]

yeah true

[granite thistle]

@balmy condor one more question. Mutilate leggo for necro or Necro cov leggo you think? Heard it was p good

[stoic needle]

sub with tornado might be some actual burst in 9.1

[balmy condor]

What are you doing content wise

[stoic needle]

especially if you get the soothing shade lineup

[granite thistle]

Purely raid toon

[balmy condor]

Mutilate lego

[granite thistle]

Like. HOF alliance alliance

[balmy condor]

You’d probably want deathspike and zoldyck as side pieces

In case a fight needs it

[granite thistle]

DS the cov leggo,

?*

[balmy condor]

But doomblade is the move

Yeah

[granite thistle]

Cool. Thanks man

[balmy condor]

Np

[granite thistle]

Ty for being better than the DK "sim it" discord

[small crypt]

that's legit all dk is about

[stoic needle]

We do that here too

[balmy condor]

Oh don’t worry there’s a ton of that too

You just asked a better question than that

[granite thistle]

PogChamp

[balmy condor]

So thank you for the sanity heal

The dumb questions are like

[restive dawn]

Hello! Just started getting into m+ and am about to craft a Zoldyck legendary. Do we still craft on legs or do I craft on feet given the 9.1 loot table from raid?

[balmy condor]

“Yo Crit haste on lego?”

That’s the stuff where it’s either “yeah whatever”

Or “sim it”

[granite thistle]

Crit haste on leggo or what

[compact pumice]

Just ask what gem's and enchants or what soulbind to use for your specific secondaries

[granite thistle]

[balmy condor]

Are you killing mythic kektwozaddy?

[restive dawn]

Ohh doubt it tbh 🤔

[balmy condor]

Then doesn’t REAAALLLLY matter

If you are, feet are better

[silent tinsel]

How much do you guys spend for power infusion?

[balmy condor]

If you aren’t, legs

[compact pumice]

If it's looking like I'm killing mythic KT I planned to remake it on boots 😛

But I would know that around 5 weeks before I think

[restive dawn]

Alright! Thanks for taking the time!

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[balmy condor]

Np homie stay cute

[digital token]

Needs to just be a longer CD leave it as is but instead of 2 mins make it 3-5

[compact pumice]

like paying for it? I legit want other's to have it instead

[stoic needle]

Zero because I'm an ethical non pi gamer

[gusty mirage]

doom on gloves or shoulders?

[balmy condor]

Doom on these nuts

[gusty mirage]

got em

[compact pumice]

That just means bring an extra DK so you have an AMZ for all the abilities again

[gusty mirage]

wait hold up, people are PAYING for PI?

[compact pumice]

Which is not a fix

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

Shoulder doombladers

[tulip nacelle]

anyone feels like tagging flower?

[gusty mirage]

@frail fossil

[compact pumice]

I mean if a guild priest is normalizing it then I can see why people would think it's normal.

[frail fossil]

how old are u guys

[balmy condor]

@frail fossil of shoulder gaming

[strange python]

if deathspike is ever the play on a fight are u ever playing assassination there to begin with

[gusty mirage]

I'm a doomblade shoulder gamer and I'm not even mad about it

it made sense for me at the time 🙂

[balmy condor]

He recrafted though right @frail fossil ?

[frail fossil]

no yet

waiting for the shoulder drop

[stoic needle]

@odd hazel

[balmy condor]

Sadge

[frail fossil]

cuz recrafting now would be a downgrade

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

same

[gusty mirage]

I hope you never get the SLG shoulders 🙂

[frail fossil]

but i have the soul ash

to recraft it

[stoic needle]

[frail fossil]

talking mad for someone who will never kill the boss current content

[gusty mirage]

220-> 235 shoulders

vs 226 -> 235 gloves

made sense to me

[stoic needle]

Jokes on you I'm on sire now

I got 233 cape with leech on kill

[frail fossil]

[tulip nacelle]

I crafted a r4 zold in case I wanted to go sin for sire prog, I was very naive thinking I would actually play sin

[gusty mirage]

I crafted it not believing the guild could ever down SLG, and these past 3 weeks have reminded me that I'm a god damn fortune teller

[frail fossil]

truly smart move

[stoic needle]

I will get 233 weapon or dreadfire on sire kill

[gusty mirage]

best of luck

may the loot gods bless you

[stoic needle]

🔮

Oshostradamus hath spoken

[gusty mirage]

Oxidumbass needs to find a new guild

[stoic needle]

Oshosi of the no mythic vaults

[tulip nacelle]

I am awaiting juice in vault this week

[stoic needle]

You're on a52 just post in trade chat kekw

[gusty mirage]

I could probably go on wowprogress and send out some feelers

but what if the guild I join are a buncha dicks?

[stoic needle]

"not shit rogue LF Guild full of fellow non shitters"

[gusty mirage]

That happened in 8.3 and I noped outta that guild asap

[stoic needle]

You may be a ronin for a while

C'est la vie

[gusty mirage]

the raid leader yelled at me for being 2 minutes late to raid after I warned him I'm finishing a key

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

then I wow progressed them recently, they're 5/10M 🙂

[stoic needle]

Should've told him to show io

[gusty mirage]

so my dogshit group of gamers > them and that's just sad

[frail fossil]

almost tried to bring down whispyr with u

truly a snake among us

[gusty mirage]

@frail fossil no sir. Don't you dare

[frail fossil]

didn't mean to say it but

you've been acting sus

the whole time

kinda like an impostor

[gusty mirage]

Literally the week I brought him in, we had our 2 mages no-show

[frail fossil]

[gusty mirage]

and while they weren't the greatest, they were better than our hunter who back peddles to orbs on inerva :)))))

and uses exhilarate 3 times and turtle 0 times in 3 hours

[stoic needle]

Backpedaling to orbs

[gusty mirage]

AS A HUNTER

[stoic needle]

Has he ever used disengage?

[gusty mirage]

ask @balmy condor we reviewed the vod, this man turned around and started running, then 180'd and started back pedaling

[stoic needle]

Like even once

[gusty mirage]

dude idk

this guy got CE in 8.3

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

apparently

[gusty mirage]

and tbh I've never felt worse than I did thursday night after subjecting Whispyr to that

I still feel bad about it

[frail fossil]

i mean that wasn't eactly the impressive feat of strength

8.3 was like a year long

[gusty mirage]

oh I know, I went through the logs. He used turtle once in 11 minutes on a boss where immune soaks are important 🙂

[thorny pond]

Yet because it's fotm he probably had a spot

[gusty mirage]

yeah he played a BM hunter in 8.3, musta been super tough

could literally AFK and probably still high green parse

[thorny pond]

We used to make fun of arcane but I picked up BM in negative time.

Beast cleave is hard to do right bro

[gusty mirage]

yeah you sometimes have to press multishot sometimes

[thorny pond]

Can't ADHD all my barbed shots either. Feels bad man

[soft shale]

arcane mage has an acquired taste

[balmy condor]

Oxi speaks the truth on that one. Hunter deadass starts running, 180’s and backpedals

The monk that sniped my ass on hungering also just went monkey on inerva with orbs

It was uh

Not encouraging for a trial

[silent fossil]

u can have my raid spot

[slow marsh]

A52 seems rough

[balmy condor]

A52 is fine

I’m rusty as fuck and don’t have mythic prog this tier

And barely any last tier

But last tier was meme anyway

Kinda casual mythic raider for the last 3 years

So getting into respectable guild is a little sketch

Even flexing my fancy name color

[fathom swift]

i mean if ur late to a raid as a trial yeah thats a red flag, dont start a key if its gonna finish after ur raid starts?

[gusty mirage]

I started the key an hour before raid and it ran late because people were bad

but ty for your 2 cents?

[fathom swift]

no problem 🙂

[gusty mirage]

and I gave them a 45 minute heads up

that I might be a few minutes late

[gusty mirage]

[misty holly]

Agree with this to an extent, but as a trial seeing how the guild leadership reacts to you is also important. Red flag from the applicants point of view as well.

[fathom swift]

sure, but being late to raid is a justifiable reason to be annoyed at someone

[compact pumice]

People react very subjectively to lateness tbh. And a raid leader might shout at one dude but not at their officer guy who was late.

As a trial I guess you should be a bit better behaving than normal. Only one chance at a first impression and all that. But I doubt it'll make or break a trial unless you're late every raid.

[fathom swift]

yeah cause if ur a trial thats the only impression they have of you

[pure moth]

Whether you are a trial, raider, officer etc. You should be in front of the raid waiting so you can pull on time. Your spot will not be saved if your guild has people on. Thats how guilds i know of operate.

[compact pumice]

That's the rule for most guilds, but how well they follow it is another thing.

[fathom swift]

most are not that cutthroat

[compact pumice]

When you make rules you make them very, logical, but people are very illogical usually and since it's a game a lot of leeway is made.

[pure moth]

Its more harsh when they have 25 and still wait on these people in keys. Wastes everyone's time..

[compact pumice]

like if the key is not done 10 mins before raid I would probably leave it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But yeah depends on the raid environment

I've had officers delay raid slightly due to them being in a key so

[faint harness]

Can only talk from my own perspective. If you have guild members disrespect the set times in a guild which already raids very little, you will not have a good time.

As there is potentially more ppl that think its ok and start showing up 5-10 mins late every raid. It gets very frustrating quickly

[gusty mirage]

I concur fully, but there was also the inconsistency of one officer telling me its fine and the RL not being okay with it after

[faint harness]

Yea thats just bad leadership

[gusty mirage]

seems to be the case for middle tier mythic guilds (including my own, where my GL/RL is doing everything and the other officers are doing jack shit and showing up late or no-showing constantly)

[faint harness]

Yea i mean thats not just a middle tier thing

Happens everywhere

[compact pumice]

Most guilds have that problem at one point and it's either fixed somehow or is still a problem.

[faint harness]

I am an officer in my guild and i dont do a whole lot which is seen by others, but i am there to not be a yes man basically and give feedback on performances

So it might seem like i am doing nothing? But who knows what structure they got

[faint harness]

Very true, its not easy at least. You’re basically running a small organisation

[thorny pond]

A lot of it comes down to delegation. Hard for many people to do that, especially on projects they are passionate about.

[odd hazel]

Everyone link their 226 hands

[strange python]

keka

kekw

[dawn ivy]

made the shoulders 2+ months ago and only just now got an SLG/sire kill so i regret nothing

[cyan wharf]

anyone got a link to the assassin rotation? just switching over now

[low girder]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[cyan wharf]

thx

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

?

[gusty mirage]

you okay?

[spice spire]

Oxi papi are you okay?

[gusty mirage]

I'm hanging in there, 5g chip part deux tomorrow morning. How are you?

[stoic needle]

i still have 220 gloves

i am not okay

[spice spire]

Great - be sure to stay rested on the vaccine. It’ll take it out of you

Osh i am still rocking 220 MH 213 OH if it makes you feel better

226 gloves from sun king tho

[keen wraith]

Is covenant choice still up in the air or is necro the way to go?

[spice spire]

Necro for cleave/aoe - venthyr ST

[balmy condor]

mines on tuesday

[dawn ivy]

the new necro leggo is good for aoe, how much ST dps does the 2 extra charges give?

i assume very little

[balmy condor]

it's like 0.2% over no legendary at all

[strange python]

Hello all

[balmy condor]

o/

[strange python]

Any cov updates or changes changing our direction in the ptr yet or are we still vampires

[balmy condor]

we're all necro currently

and probably will stay that way

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

[orchid valley]

necro gang

[dawn ivy]

only one callings giving me renown in the last 6 days feels bad

[stoic needle]

You're supposed to save your callings until you're high renown

They are one of the first sources to stop giving it

[dawn ivy]

im at 24 i only need a few more before i can just do the campaign

[stoic needle]

Try heroic dungeons

[gusty mirage]

well don't forget your 👑 when you go in, king

[balmy condor]

I'll be juiced up in time for raid

[gusty mirage]

if you happen to be "too tired" from your vaccine lmk

so I can also be "too tired"

[balmy condor]

[cerulean nest]

I just did a +14 and didnt get renown lol

wtf

[odd hazel]

@stoic needle dont worry, i'll be switching back to necro probs

[west cove]

9.1 release date is unknown right?

[balmy condor]

correct

probably end of june, early july

[silent tinsel]

make it august pls

[balmy condor]

why

[reef axle]

So think we will get any utility or probly just end up being rumours 😦

[balmy condor]

who knows

it's not coming in 9.1 if it is

[reef axle]

Hmmm about to start sire prog, considering going necro from venthyr, overall it seems necro will prob be more useful 🤔

[hazy crater]

Really doesn't matter which one you play

[reef axle]

Assuming because the difference is so minimal even for mythic prog at this point I would assume?

[hazy crater]

Yeah it's not like you swap covenants and suddenly the fight is easier

[reef axle]

Also true, and based on what whispyr just stated, necro seems the popular choice for a lot of rogues right now :p

Here anyway

[balmy condor]

just in general

the single target gain from venthyr isn't worth compared to the gain in 2+ from necro

[reef axle]

Yeah and we really shine on two target cleave

[lavish pulsar]

howdy gamers, about to finish sire prog soon, had a question about CDs. Is it more valuable to Vendetta Twice, with possible disruptions, or Vendetta once in sync with Bloodlust. Sire P3 let's me get one Good vendetta in atm, or two "next to/during Ravage" Vendettas.

[balmy condor]

twice for sure

[hazy crater]

Vendetta twice. You should be able to get 2 good ones

Not sure where you use vendetta before if you aren't able

[lavish pulsar]

been using it on First Add spawn in P2, and then waiting until the fourth set of cabalists. I can probably do third tbqh but would need to confirm it with the RL first

[hazy crater]

Then you should be able to vendetta on first P3 soaks and on CD

[fathom swift]

yeah you can vendetta at like 3.20 then just use on cd

[hazy crater]

if you use on CD after first add spawn

[lavish pulsar]

[hazy crater]

first add spawn actually meaning pretty fast after falling down

[strange python]

hello can i ask a few questions

is this damage profile right for m+?

[cerulean nest]

wow I do a +14 and kill heroic danny and neither drop renown

wtf lol

[strange python]

also, if going into a pack with several CP is it better to munch CPs and spread garrotes through subterfuge, or spend a gcd on a finisher?

[balmy condor]

you ideally want to dump the cp beforehand

and then garrote through subterfuge

just envenoming things at the end of the pack is usually good enough for snd, but if you have cp and snd isn't topped off, might as well

[dawn ivy]

got renown 25 from ashran

worth the hour of pvp

can do campaign now

[cerulean nest]

any underrated rogue rotation/ability weakaura packs? been using Luxthos for awhile but want to see what else people are using

[balmy condor]

just my own

[cerulean nest]

pics or it didnt happen

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr
https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv

[cerulean nest]

nice

i like the pandemic glow on plater

[solid wyvern]

Is Master Poisoner better than EP if you're running Dashing Scoundrel?

[balmy condor]

no

[odd hazel]

running scoundrel

[wind dune]

I have a dirty confession. In 9.0 I somehow had the #1 sunking parse in heroic using master poison and the haste pvp trinket. Show's how little were actually playing sin at the time.

[frail fossil]

and also sun king is a meme boss to parse

[wind dune]

That too

[pulsar warren]

@cerulean nest I've been using Adriox's weakauras (and his interface) since bfa :)

Here is a screenshot:

The only thing really missing is a tracker for active def cds^^ I'm just looking at the cds and do the math myself^^

https://wago.io/yaA-R1SX1 Here's a link to it :) You also have to was in the desctiption if you want to give it a try :)

[nimble tartan]

i like afenars stuff

[limber lion]

I can also vouch for Afenar

[safe barn]

i like atrocity's UI

everything is setup nicely and has some kind of fluency

too bad it's behind a "paywall" tho

[limber lion]

Ye Atrocity is great

[strange python]

plaguey is so overpowered

[misty zenith]

This might sound really stupid or i am just not getting it, but when i practice the raid opener for assa with master, it goes and provides me 15k-20k on a raid target dummy. When i do the opener in a raid, it is much much lower. Am i missing something obv here?

[limber lion]

Yes

Whenever you vanish on a target dummy, details resets

[misty zenith]

rofl indeed

So basically, assa is the slow creep up the DPS ladder then as the fight progresses 😄

[limber lion]

We have very good damage outside of cooldowns

Many classes have huge burst windows and low damage outside of that

Our burst window is smaller, but dps outside of cds is better.

[misty zenith]

Is there a way to disable this behaviour on details?

[limber lion]

Unfortunately not

[mental kestrel]

You can track overall dmg tho

[iron orchid]

The opener is not always the biggest burst you can get (except on lust-on-pull bosses) because you have to setup snd, and build up the alacrity stacks. It is minor but you can actually feel the difference when you do the same opener on M+ bosses with everything already setup

[mental kestrel]

Doesnt reset with vanish

[misty zenith]

Ok great

Yea yesterday was a first attempt at raiding with a sin rogue

I dont have doomblade yet, i just have zoldyck

My main is a feral, so they feel similar. Although sin is obv more fun on fights like huntsman

Multi-dotting is so much more fluent

[limber lion]

Yeah for sure.

A lot of people don't like Assassination in pure ST or massive AoE, but do enjoy it in a lot in 2T fights.

[burnt latch]

Sin on denathrius is so fun

So much to optimize

Cuz the amount of targets and the priority targets change constantly

Love it

[limber lion]

Yep, Assassination is a lot of fun there. Sire is definitely one of the better bosses.

[misty zenith]

I think my main issue with it atm

Is doing the shiv windows, i think i overthink it

[pulsar warren]

yeah I also really like sire but I'm getting a bit tired of him... 1 kill and 90 wipes :(

[limber lion]

Yeh, you don't need to think about it too hard.

You just press Shiv when it's off cooldown, that's it.

[misty zenith]

And the the end of the 2 min CDs, so when vanish/vendetta comes back

[limber lion]

90 wipes is nothing lol.

[burnt latch]

Im on 220 wipes and best pull at 40% lmao

Its still a fun fight tho

[pulsar warren]

What? :D

okay I'm crying less now :D

[burnt latch]

Yup 😄 safe to say my guilds doing something wrong

[strange python]

on m council would it be worth it to rupture the attendants for energy ?

[limber lion]

Not really, you want to keep bleeds up on your main target and one extra boss target.

You should just SBS/Envenom the Attendant

[pulsar warren]

Our best guild try was yesterday at 16% but he did the last ravage so... a little dps is missing in p3^^

[strange python]

i see, ty

[burnt latch]

yeah when we get to p3 prog we are gonna have a bad time with dps aswell

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X4dCgqBPMb3TLVZa#boss=2407&difficulty=5&wipes=1&phase=3

this is our p2 dps over the whole night

[grand echo]

We killed m dena on our 200th pull so 90 wipes doesn't sound too bad

[pulsar warren]

yeah... I was talking about heroic^^

7k on p2 seems pretty good to me :0 I'm doing only 5.4 :0

[burnt latch]

its not bad but could be a lot better, I there were a few pulls that I played really bad

thats the fun part about denathrius, theres so much to optimize

[pulsar warren]

yeah :) Just recently saw that denathrius and his sword share hp... ^^ So I now begin p2 by bone spicking the sword :)

[plain onyx]

Anyone got a macro for Tricks of the Trade ? to apply it directly to the tank instead of hovering and picking him ?

[pulsar warren]

does a focus macro suit your needs?

[burnt latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFbGJ7NYNHU

[limber lion]

Yeah, I just use a focus macro myself.

[burnt latch]

Having tank specific macros can be quite handy on some fights

Had to get them to help tanks on slg

[thin imp]

A lot of necro assassins here, worth the move from venthyr?

[runic sequoia]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

Yes sir, Necro beats Venthyr in AoE quite easily and is not far off in ST.

[thin imp]

I see a lot of difference when I filter venthyr vs necro in warcraftlogs but I guess that it is because top players play more venthyr for raid

Do you have to farm conduits again when you change covenant?

[limber lion]

Yes, but the covenant specific conduits drop from several sources so they are very easy to get

Even at 200 ilvl they are fine

[limber lion]

Venthyr does a lot more ST damage in short fights. The longer the fight, the smaller the gap between the two.

Venthyr also has some extra potion cheese mechanics which people abuse, which puts it up ahead as well

[strange python]

theotar

[limber lion]

But on fights like SLG, Huntsman, Council and possibly Sire, Necrolord wins

[thin imp]

Yea maybe comparing with guilds farming with all dps 90+ on parses doesnt make a fair comparison tho

9.1 raid seems to have a lot of multi target fights as well

[limber lion]

Necrolord is most definitely the play in 9.1

[drifting cloud]

eh I think us who care will be swapping alot between them

[thin imp]

I guess you can catch 40 renown quite fast qith low m+ spam

[strange python]

just the better soulbind makes it go ahead no?

[drifting cloud]

both will definetly work

[strange python]

and more versatile

[limber lion]

You get to 30+ in one day by just doing all of the raids.

[thin imp]

Lfr, normal and hc you mean?

[limber lion]

Yes sir,

[thin imp]

Ty tho!

[drifting cloud]

theres also some extra catchup planned for 9.1

[limber lion]

You do it on all difficulties, then you finish the covenant campaign and you're done.

[drifting cloud]

just dont think its known how it works yet

[thin imp]

Maybe worth trying since everyone says spikes are fun although we are progressing in sludefist, not sure the timing is the good one 😄

[mint anvil]

elaborate please xd

[drifting cloud]

theotar refined palate, pop potion, swap back to nadjia

[strange python]

with tome

[mint anvil]

oooooooh

[gloomy fern]

ur not specced into refined palate, i got tricked

[strange python]

its unethical

[mint anvil]

This prepull now

This, toming, into deathly shadows

yikers. not a sweat lord i swear

[limber lion]

Deathly isn't the best for sin

[gloomy fern]

anyone tested if its worth over ma

maybe if u go cube

[limber lion]

I was thinking of simming it out, but haven't done so yet

[gloomy fern]

would be nice if it shared row with blindside or ep

so u could go away from it

[final star]

I just use a weak aura for tricks

[north basin]

master poisoner somehow synergy with zoldyk?

[mint anvil]

Deathly shadows prepull m8, not for fight

You lose the vanish ma in opener, but get the 12s of 15% dmg in the opener

[limber lion]

Yes

Like I said

It's not the best for Sin

[mint anvil]

What’s better?

[limber lion]

Not using it.,

It's good for Sub because it's a longer duration and Vanish is a useless ability for them

Vanish is really good for us and one of our most important cooldowns.

Getting 12s of damage where you spend the first 6s just applying bleeds and snd

It's not the best

Sub starts their burst window 3s in.

Ss > SnD > Dance/Blades/SoD

[sacred isle]

Also gl getting full 12 sec value with precasters never hitting the boss correcly

[limber lion]

Yeah, you most likely get around 10s

Which around 6-7 seconds is spent just putting all the maintenance stuff up

[gloomy fern]

just do the macro when u see boomies spells flying

[steel geyser]

Is there a script macro or anything for the Venthyr potion cheese or do we have to do it manually 👀

[silent fossil]

just go necro

problem solved

[steel geyser]

That's the plan in a few weeks

[silent fossil]

but considering there were addons that ran scripts to change azerite powers in bfa with tome buff im sure its possible to also select soulbind talents

err not azerite, the neck

[steel geyser]

Yea I feel like that could exist

[teal bloom]

Do necrolords use heirmir in both raids and m+?

[north basin]

so we do potion buff before pull and also equip 15% damage legendary+ vanish. then change to original set+ soulbind and do 99% logs?

[limber lion]

No.

You only do the potion thing.

[north basin]

dayyum!

and whats up with legendary

[limber lion]

Won't guarantee 99 logs though

With everyone doing it, you still need to know a thing or two

[mighty elm]

What potion thing

[north basin]

what does pot do btw? 50 sec under agility buff?

[limber lion]

You use Phantom Fire.

[shy dust]

Venthyr pot things

[limber lion]

Theotar with Refined palate, pre-pot, swap to Nadja

[shy dust]

Pot with venthyr potion soulbind pre pull

[mighty elm]

Ah, guess I stay necro

[cloud reef]

do you stll use sharpening stones with that or oils

[limber lion]

1 oil, 1 stone

[north basin]

i love these prepull switches. bring memories. so i like em.

kafa press or adrenaline injectors. good things

sad we cant use trinkets that way anymore.

[teal bloom]

@limber lion tervee, I questions about sbs usage. In single target use sbs first in the opener and after that you only use them if you are about to overcap or have gemstone active, right? And in aoe you just use them as soon as possible?

[limber lion]

Yes correct. If you dump all SBS during Gemstone windows, then you won't generally ever cap them.

On AOE you just spread them out on multiple targets asap

[teal bloom]

Thanks. You still mutilate over sbs during ma windows after the first one?

[limber lion]

Yep!

[sinful cradle]

[hollow river]

How much of a dps gain is the venthyr cheese? Roughly

[limber lion]

Depends on rng, but around 200 dps for 5 mins.

A lot more for shorter fights obviously and even more if you get very lucky.

[hollow river]

Hmm I may have to switch back to venthyr and try it out. I didn’t really like flag lol

[limber lion]

You don't have to play it.

Necrolord is still very competitive and pulls ahead in AoE.

[hollow river]

Yeah I know, it’s just parse cheese eh

Still working on getting into mythic so prolly a waste of time

[hazy crater]

Definitely

[limber lion]

Yeah, not much point.

[thin trout]

how much is known about the new raid btw and the amount of targets, to decide wether to go necro/venthyr?

[limber lion]

Quite a bit, most of the bosses have been on the PTR already

[shy dust]

8 bosses have been tested on heroic I believe

Looks very st heavy

[limber lion]

Necrolord looks to be the better choice currently, but numbers are numbers.

If the Nadja trait is crazy, then Venthyr might be better.

[spice spire]

Necrolord gamers rise up

[loud trench]

So necrolord is the play for sin and outlaw for 9.1 it seems? Gonna give it another month before pre patch swapping but that’s what it’s looking like?

[limber lion]

Probably, can't really say yet. Necrolord will definitely be the thing for M+ and AoE encounters.

[loud trench]

Yea I’m fae rn so I mean anything will be an upgrade haha

[limber lion]

Yep. NF is not that bad honestly, but Necrolord is definitely a fun time and pumps.

SBS is a really fun ability.

[alpine latch]

Took me a bit to realize you use SBS as a generator outside of Shiv. Once I learned that, my overall damage went up a fair bit

[limber lion]

You use SBS only during Gemstone windows.

[teal bloom]

Back when I was leveling sbs felt really bad, probably because it did no damage

[gusty mirage]

Yeah 9.0.5 gave it some new life

[limber lion]

Yep, the 300% increase in initial damage did quite a bit

It's really great for open world content when paired up with MA.

You just oneshot mobs from afar with it and instantly get a reset.

[alpine latch]

yup

It makes some of the WQs a stomp

[stoic needle]

Ah yes, the very st heavy raid with 7/10 bosses having adds

[pliant apex]

hey, the rotation for venthyr from opener is mut-snd-flag-mut? and then use on cd?

[limber lion]

No.

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[pliant apex]

can you just tell me please

guides confuse me cev

i know it USED to be like that, its changed now?

[limber lion]

There is a literal example in the guide

This is straight from the guide

[fading wigeon]

Lol busted

[lunar otter]

do you guys bother applying CT on a boss when u have it talented ?

[limber lion]

Yes.

CT is still used even in single target, outside of Shiv windows.

[lunar otter]

ye gud

cos i do haha

[limber lion]

Yeh, you never spec into it on pure ST obviously.

[lunar otter]

nah ofc

[pliant apex]

thanks. so basically just use before rupture on pull and then on cd?

[limber lion]

Yes pretty much. Always just before a finisher.

[spice spire]

The goal is to bait the higher Haste from your opener. Doing it just before a finisher gives you that much more

[late birch]

how much better is the MFD + CT in M+ compared to CT and Subterfuge?

[limber lion]

MFD and Subterfuge are not on the same line?

[spice spire]

I was about to say the same lmao

[limber lion]

You can have them both

[late birch]

I meant the Nightstalker with MFD and CT

sorz