assassination

[potent rune]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vocal edge]

Elaborate planning is ran on 79/100 top sin logs for council, but mutilate sims higher for me. Is the difference just for p3 100-50 and attendant burst? Or is it just their personal sim

[balmy condor]

The difference is that council has aoe and you multi-dot

Which makes elaborate planning much better

Blindside is a little ahead on 1 target, but it loses instantly on 2+

[vocal edge]

Makes sense thanks

[plain onyx]

Eternal Stats or Skirmish on the chest guys ?

[west geode]

skirmish seems to sim slight better, but run a sim

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t super matter

Stats will pull ahead with more targets

But for most single target and cleave it’s basically equal

[misty holly]

Cool, transmog is probably the thing I care about most in wow! Didn't realize there was a whole channel for it here.

[pliant flare]

does recuperator proc with the snd time extension from envenom/

[stoic needle]

Yes

[pliant flare]

solido

[balmy condor]

That’s in the faq as well

Not like anyone reads that shit

[stoic needle]

Imagine being able to read

[misty holly]

People do, but they want you to have the satisfaction of answering questions personally because we know you love it!

[balmy condor]

I wasn’t even the one to answer!

[glass grotto]

Can you cloak massacres on sire final phase ?

[shy dust]

no

[frail fossil]

no

[nimble tartan]

maybe if u went upstairs bro

hard mode

who is trying to do world first ranged mirror melee up top

[glass grotto]

so when the massacre + suck comes you just cloak the bad ground and then shadowstep to the tank yeah ?

[rain mortar]

Tbf sometimes I ask questions because my main class (warrior) FAQs are outdated and wrong sometimes. So I like to check to make sure these ones are up to date every once in a while.

[unreal kayak]

Is envenom and ct buffed by zold heard somewhere its not

[frail fossil]

CT is affected by zold

envenom is not a dot so it isn't

[balmy condor]

I make sure the pins in here and sub are always relevant :)

If big changes happen, pins happen

[silent fossil]

is tricks good in next patch?

[balmy condor]

[silent fossil]

i want smoke bomb back

[pliant flare]

i do actually read it

if i had seen it i wouldn't have asked

in conclusion i'm blind

however it weirds me slightly that people r so adverse to just answering a q

[remote panther]

does numbing poison actually work on raid bosses or mobs in pve in general?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t affect cast speed on raid bosses though

For obvious reasons

[low girder]

imagining all the issues with spell queueing

[balmy condor]

It gets pretty tiring when you see the same question over and over and over, and provide an easily accessible answer to that question, and then you still see the same question over and over

It’s not adversity to answering questions

It’s adversity to answering the same basic question for 5 months and still getting them

But I guess that’s just how information flow works in big communities

Doesn’t proliferate fast enough or not enough people care

So you’re just stuck in the loop

Like the most demoralizing thing for me is seeing people hold shiv

Because that got added almost 4 years ago in form of toxic blade, and we’ve been casting it on cooldown ever since

But it’s still a very common mistake

[dark jewel]

is vers any good for aoe? seeing many rogues running stone legion heraldry on slg

[balmy condor]

its okay

vers doesn't really stand out as a desirable stat anywhere

[compact pumice]

Are those rogues outlaw?

[dark jewel]

no, sin rogues

[compact pumice]

It is in on 15% in the top 100 parses, so you're not wrong. IQD only 4% :S

[gusty mirage]

It's probably just an availability thing + ilvl thing (assuming you're talking about the 233 heraldry)

because a 233 SLH trinket is still pretty good w/ 2 allies in your group running it. It's just not particularly great despite the ilvl

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t26-assassination
A 220 IQD = to a 233 heraldry w/ two allies having it

@stoic needle also fun takeaway from the dslice chart: a 220 hakkar tank trinket > a 203 bell

[low girder]

[rain mortar]

You are > other class pin lords

[balmy condor]

[pliant flare]

na na like i completely understand mate, i just didn't see it so ithought a question where someone could simply answer "y" was ok

i feel like it's slightly different had i asked for like soulbinds or smth 👀

[rain mortar]

From a pve perspective is there a “best” horse race? I know they are all VERY close. But I don’t like orc, undead, or BELF very much. Trying to decide what else to be and the easiest way for me to make up my mind would be for someone to tell me one of the others is best (even if it’s a lie haha)

[compact pumice]

I don't watch horse races so I wouldn't know

[rain mortar]

OUCH

[gusty mirage]

Arabians for sure

best horses hands down

[rain mortar]

Which one of the horses was juiced up

That’s the big question

[gusty mirage]

make sure it's either that or a thoroughbred though

[compact pumice]

I mean you can just check something like this graph
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t26-assassination
and make your mind up, but it sounds like you don't really care about numbers, so probably Vulpera.

[rain mortar]

Vulpera must be out of the question since they are more like ponies and not horses.

[gusty mirage]

But a serious response, just pick whichever you like best. It really doesn't matter

[compact pumice]

If a random guy on discord can influence you to race change then:
You are wrong, you need to be vulpera in order to parse

[rain mortar]

I know I know but I’m a slave to graphs

And when it shows one higher even if it’s so slight

I’m drawn to it

[gusty mirage]

if you don't like orc or belf, just go zandalari troll

they have a dope dance

[compact pumice]

Pick the worst so you can always blame something if you don't perform well

[rain mortar]

I just think orc is ugly and I only went it for pvp but now I see it’s best in pve...

The question is can I allow myself to be a female orc

They look better

But... I can’t do it

[compact pumice]

You can swap every week if you want at the barber

My orc is female though, shoulders look kinda ridiculous on orc male

[gusty mirage]

female orc comes with the perks of being able to pop lock and drop it with /dance

[rain mortar]

But then in pugs people think you are an actual girl and the IRL losers try to flirt. It’s so weird.

[gusty mirage]

exploit them for gold, nab a long boy off the blackmarket AH

[rain mortar]

Ahhhh

Not actually the worst idea

Okay going orc female tyvm

Very productive convo

[gusty mirage]

[compact pumice]

GL in the horse races

[split veldt]

hmm i havnt looked at warcraft logs in a hot minute and i see Sin going zold for mythic generals now?

and double potency

also see some maldraxis Sin rogues up there too

O.o

what did i miss

[tribal finch]

Looking at this, any reason people are making doomblade over zol leggo? https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/legendaries/1t-t26-assassination

[gusty mirage]

because it's better for ST damage

Doomblade legendary effect: 511 dps + shoulder/gloves stats at r4: 425 dps > 574 stats from slot + 238 from zoldyk

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[split veldt]

last time i checked everyone was using doom on generals

and whats with all these maldraxis Sin rogues

[gusty mirage]

because the moment there's another target necro beats venthyr

and the difference in pure ST is like 80 dps

[split veldt]

hmm damn

[gusty mirage]

as for why people are playing doom over zold on SLG, I have legitimately no idea. I'm stuck in council purgatory (:

[split veldt]

im almost 300 pulls into generals, but we're seeing P3 70% of the time

can see the light at the end of the tunnel

but i wanna die

[stoic needle]

dont think people were ever using doomblade over zoldyck on generals

[split veldt]

when i started prog i was told doom still

and dauntless duelist

[stoic needle]

idk who told you that

[split veldt]

IT WAS YOU PEPLE

[stoic needle]

and especially not dauntless duelist

[split veldt]

[stoic needle]

bc it's useless half the fight

when kaal flies away

[split veldt]

well im swapping to zold and double potency for next week

hopefully i get a big dps boost

lul

[stoic needle]

you should try exacting preparation

i did 9.2k dps in p3 of slg on our pull with zoldyck ct

[split veldt]

but muh poisoned katar

[stoic needle]

pk bad

you spend half of the fight mutilating

half the fight getting no value from pk

[split veldt]

why are all these losers on logs using PK then

[tribal finch]

So what would you guys reccomend as the first legendary to make, Dooblade or Zold?

[stoic needle]

logs =/= best prog strat

[stoic needle]

do you do mythic plus as sin

[tribal finch]

I am a necro rogue atm per recommendations on this discord, but still undecided on first leggo

yea, I am going to do both

[stoic needle]

zoldyck first then doomblade

[split veldt]

prolly zold

tho i use doom on tyranical weeks

[tribal finch]

What slot, gloves I assume?

[split veldt]

si

[rain mortar]

Really want to make a vulpwra with a saddle tmog now. Come on bliz hook it up

[sly vale]

Where does CT fit for single target rotation? Thinking about using CT for Sire, no zold for P3 yet tho. In that type of situation does 5% buffed env > refreshing CT before it drops?

[tribal finch]

what missives would you guys recc?

[stoic needle]

[rain mortar]

Oh I think I can answer this - always keep it up OUTSIDE of shiv windows

But I clild@he very wrong

Could

[gusty mirage]

crit/haste

[sly vale]

Yeah for sure, just testing it out on the dummy I run in to a lot of edge cases where I can either env or CT when CT has like 2 seconds. So it's like do I sneak in the 5% buffed env and then refresh CT on next finisher or just refresh CT

With Zold feel like the answer is ez refresh CT but since I'm using doomblade it's

[rain mortar]

Oh yeah I don’t know the answer to that. Honestly with rogue I feel like a lot of times I go with my gut in situations where there could really be two answers. It usually works out well because I parse well and often top DPS in m+

But I don’t know the “science” behind it

The bleed on doom blade helps too

[sly vale]

ya the envenoms do be fat, esp with shiv

[gusty mirage]

To make your life easier when you make that call, factor in the snd refresh from envenom

[sly vale]

tru didn't think about that, thanks

[compact pumice]

Always Env inside shiv

You don't need to keep CT up all the time, it's just that outside shiv a CT does more damage than an Env

[sly vale]

Yeah I'm NF so CT doesn't see the light of day during shiv ever

[compact pumice]

It's not something you need to keep up

[gusty mirage]

yeah @balmy condor ran the numbers and not using CT in ST isn't that big of a deal, I just don't remember the numbers off the top of my head

[balmy condor]

What I do

[compact pumice]

that was like a 2 second answer

did you have that response on a macro button or something?

[gusty mirage]

big brain math stuff for us smooth brains

🙂

[balmy condor]

I’m on my phone

At work

Uhhh

Idk I’ll just go through the spiel idk how much you guys have discussed

CT and Envenom dpet is very close

Especially with zold

With doomblade it kinda spreads apart a little bit

With doomblade it’s actually nearly neutral to cast CT on 1 target vs not casting

With zold it’s worth maybe 25-30 dps

[sly vale]

Thanks that pretty much answers my question. Regardless will be more consistent than poison bomb since sire like to jaunt around everywhere

[winged crypt]

guys do you know what is the % of drop of daggers from m+?

[low girder]

gap is larger for venthyr though iirc

[ancient peak]

I'm starting sire prog today, do I want to run poison bomb since it will be best for p3?

[low girder]

even with doomblade

[ancient peak]

we have plenty of aoe/cleave in our comp

[stoic needle]

pb is not best for p3

because of the movement

[sly vale]

plus will help make p2 cleave more consistent on remornia

CT over PB that is

[balmy condor]

Yeah

CT is quite good on sire

[rain mortar]

I like the answer it basically doesn’t matter. Makes me feel like I’m a mad genius no matter which one I pick.

[outer oak]

Should doomblade be my first legendary just getting around to 60 on this alt

[gusty mirage]

do you plan on raiding or doing m+ & raid

[outer oak]

Raiding

[gusty mirage]

then yeah make doom

[outer oak]

And some m+ but only for early gear

Cool thx

[gusty mirage]

if you want something safe in case you decide you want to push keys, craft zold

[outer oak]

I'll be mostly raiding nothing past 15 if I do keys on this rogue

My lock has made me tired of keys lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah then just craft doom on gloves w/ crit/haste

[outer oak]

Thanks appreciate it

[gusty mirage]

np

[compact pumice]

Tbh, if you end up doing keys at all, I'd recommend crafting like MA instead and going outlaw just for M+. MA is a good multipurpose one

after Doomblade that is

[outer oak]

I won't touch outlaw tbh I only like assas as rogue

Its just an alt anyhow

[compact pumice]

Another one 😄

[outer oak]

Not sure what that means lol

[compact pumice]

Nah it's just a lot of people in here seems to be Sin only, no matter what. Some even very anti Outlaw

[outer oak]

I just don't like roll the bones

And ive always played assas

[compact pumice]

It's changed since BFA at least

[sly vale]

RtB is decades better than it was

[outer oak]

It can stay with outlaw lol ill stay assas

[sly vale]

imagine a world where you just RtB until you have something that doesnt suck bc it has no CD

[outer oak]

Lol

And the fact im a lock main i like babysitting dots

[balmy condor]

Dot specs

Slow and comfy

[compact pumice]

You just babysit Between The Eyes and Blade Flurry instead

[void pecan]

All while praying you dont get shitty rolls

Then waiting 30 seconds to reroll to get the same shitty roll

👍

[compact pumice]

I count more on the conduit ones to fill out. Get two bad rolls, then any proc will be good!

[void pecan]

Granted it doesn't affect damage THAT much

The outlaw conduits are pretty neato

[compact pumice]

I mean the amount of time you have 4 buffs up is qutie a lot

[stoic needle]

meh

i don't really agree w/ that

[gusty mirage]

this seems better suited for the fury warrior with pistols channel

[void pecan]

You're a furry warrior..

[compact pumice]

It might seem like it, but it was decently on topic!

[pure moth]

Its the assassination channel, kind of expected.

[compact pumice]

Maybe, I just don't really think most people are that polarized. Most people I talk to in game just play whatever is best or close enough to

[gusty mirage]

take that back

my best parse this tier is outlaw

[void pecan]

Same though.

Sin parses are SO high

that or my raid group is ass, which could be both

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

best part is, idk much about outlaw

I played it a little in season 4 bfa and that's about it

[ebon gulch]

for M+ is sin drastically behind outlaw? i'm another lifelong sin rogue, but I could be convinced if sin is just garbage

just came back, been gone since Cata

[balmy condor]

It is not

It’s worse, undeniably

But it’s in no way significantly worse

[ebon gulch]

i seem to hold my own alright

[compact pumice]

Personally I lose more on mechanics/interrupts/CC specing Assa. Usually it's fine or a bit less on damage but my attention is more occupied if that makes sense. I think it's mainly trying to keep track and dot everything up asap that I might miss a cast or step in a frontal or whatever.

Damage is fine enough

And the other shit just comes with practice I assume

[ebon gulch]

the dot watch is real

[halcyon zealot]

yeah, from what ive seen as assa (I still primarily play outlaw in keys) is that it is insane for pride, bosses, and any prio target; while still having competitive aoe on trash

but you do lose some utility like Anno said

[ebon gulch]

yeah, single target isn't really an issue, even specced more aoe-oriented

the only thing that really surprises me coming back is how ret pallies aren't a joke anymore, they pop those wings and that aoe burst is so big

[halcyon zealot]

yeah, rets have really good ST rn too tbh

[compact pumice]

Their AOE is pretty poggers

ST is middle of the pack

so decent

[drifting wagon]

do yall multidot on council

or not worth?

[devout hazel]

someone down to do castle nathria

?

[compact pumice]

You dot one target with garrote, rupture and poison, for the energy.

[cerulean nest]

can i still get renown in heroic dungeons when im at like 23?

or do I need to start doing m+

[lost shadow]

Is this info still relevant @balmy condor? So Necro is only like 150 dps behind Venthyr single target?

[gloomy knoll]

pretty sure is still like 150-200 yea

[stoic needle]

No it's less than 100

60-80 depending on the profile

[gloomy knoll]

from the sims i saw necro sin caps out at 7200

[stoic needle]

And venthyr sin is 7300

[gloomy knoll]

and venth sin caps out at like 7350 i believe

[stoic needle]

You can do higher than 7200 if you use mechagnome

[compact pumice]

There are some optimizations not included in the pinned sims

Apparently Necro is only about 80 dps behind Venthyr now

Whispyr can explain some more about it

But generally just think of it as 100 and it's close enough

[lost shadow]

Alright sick, so if you prefer Necro the dps is more than acceptable

[compact pumice]

Necro is probably a safer overall pick tbh. Venthyr really blasts on Sludgefist though.

And I think that if you do the Theotar-prepot (venthyr only) shit you can parse slightly higher than sims.

(unless you sim for that ofc)

[stoic needle]

Hopefully they remove that in 9.1

[lost shadow]

I see, thanks guys! Soon we won't be doing Sludge anymore anyway heh

[nimble tartan]

i am happy to say that i now hold the title for #1 venthyr rogue heroic denathrius i couldnt have done it without the pins, mashallah and ty for the knowledge i shall try to get better than blue on mythic now

[shy dust]

Thank midmaxing too

[stoic needle]

@limber lion how does it feel to know that your sire parse has been defeated by a midmaxer?

[nimble tartan]

hey no need to bully a guy trying his best

the midmax mentality is taking your friends to the top with you

[honest heath]

If I'm trying to sim for m+...do I just do dungeon slice or patchwork 5 boss 1min?

[compact pumice]

DSlice is preferred

Though it favors ST a bit

[honest heath]

Ah ok ty

[tame edge]

For mobs, do I apply all the dots to one monster and then move on to the next, or am I applying dots just all over the place

[compact pumice]

DPS wise all that matters is how many targets are dotted, what order you do it in is up to you. Just dot appropriately to how long the mob is gonna live, so it's fine using 2-3 CP dots on mobs that won't live very long for example.

[tame edge]

Never played Sin, so I'm still getting use to it LOL

[hallow snow]

hey guys, what % of haste would be good to switch from Vigor to DS?

[tame edge]

I guess just keep simming. I'm at 19% and when I sim Virgor vs DS: V>DS by like 80ish

[gusty mirage]

doesn't matter, just sim your best gear with both talent sets in top gear and it'll give you your best set up

if you like vigor and think it smooths out your rotation you can play Elaborate Planning & Vigor and be competitive w/ Blindside & Deeper Stratagem

[buoyant juniper]

question for sin spec: when do yall refresh garrote/rupture? ~10 seconds left of the dots? does it really matter?

[drifting cloud]

!pandemic

[marsh ridge]

Is there a tool that exists to show which is the best piece to upgrade with valor?

[dawn ivy]

raidbots?

[balmy condor]

Droptimizer at 220

[balmy condor]

30% of the duration of the new dot being applied

[balmy condor]

Probably gonna make that a thing tbh

[buoyant juniper]

Can you explain further what this means? I heard about a 30% rule before but not sure how it works. Could u give an example?

[limber swallow]

5 combo point rupture has a duration of 24 seconds. If you refresh rupture with ~7 seconds or less left, whatever the duration you have left gets added to the next rupture. So if you used rupture with 5 combo points with 6 seconds remaining on the old rupture, the new rupture would be 30 seconds.

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Take new rupture being applied

5 cp is 24, 4 cp is 20 I think

So 4 cp = 20 * 0.3

20 * 0.3 is 6

So when your current rupture is at 6 seconds or less

You’re safe to refresh with a 4cp rupture

The time you clipped, gets added to the new rupture

So if you rupture with 4 seconds left

Those 4 seconds go to the new 20 second rupture

And it’s 24 seconds

It’s only the duration though

The damage is calculated on the new dot

So refreshing like a subterfuge garrote

With a normal garrote

Is giga trolling

Cause those 5 seconds you had left were an empowered garrote

And you just moved the 5 seconds onto a new, not empowered garrote

[urban thistle]

what's the finisher rule with mutilate?

still use mutilate at max -2?

[shy dust]

Finish at 1 less than max

[urban thistle]

even if i can garrote?

or you're saying that in response to me asking about mutilate

[halcyon zealot]

if you were 2 less than max CP you would mut again before finishing, yes

which is why rae said finish at 1 less than max

[hot brook]

So refreshing with 5cp is not worth it? Is it more optimal to refresh with 4?

[rocky pecan]

He said "safe" that mean 4 or 5 just add a bit of timer for the 5 cp

[balmy condor]

4 cp rupture is 6 seconds safe, 1.2 seconds per cp

5 cp would be 7.2, 6 would be 8.4, 3 would be 4.8

Garrote is a constant 18 seconds, or 5.4 seconds

[outer oak]

After your initial rupture at 5 the refreshes only refresh timer not the dmg correct?

[balmy condor]

The damage on dots is always variable

If you get a huge mastery proc or something

Let’s say for 10% for 5 seconds

Then the dots you have put currently will benefit from that 10% mastery

For the 5 seconds

[misty zenith]

So we use vanish on the opener for a MA evenom, but when vanish comes off CD. What do we use it on?

Another mutilate? Or garrote

[spice spire]

Mutilate over garrote

[misty zenith]

Do you need to time it with other cd?

Since vendetta will be off normally

[gusty mirage]

@warped temple

[spice spire]

You use it off CD, if it’s on an envenom or finisher, whatever.
It’ll usually fall for me mut - envenom - mut or env - mut - env. I was going to see usually it’s off with vendetta, but no. Usually just cast on CD. There’s always a line where it’s close to the end of a fight and you can hold it for a thicc flag. But those are rare

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Imagine losing as a WW though

[misty zenith]

@spice spire So just use on CD, don’t try to hold it with other CDs

[warped temple]

XD

[spice spire]

Essentially. Again, if you won’t miss a cast and can line up with another CD - do that. But vendetta and Vanish will often already be lined up

[balmy condor]

Oxi just a budget man

[spice spire]

I think oxi is luxurious

[gusty mirage]

its true

in raid I'm budget whispyr

[balmy condor]

You’re the best oxi I know

On the scale of oxi’s

You’re cracked as fuck

[spice spire]

Damn, that’s a compliment. OxyContin is an option there buddy, and oxygen!

[balmy condor]

And oxyphenbutazone

Which is a medicine for arthritis

So

That’s a pretty good oxy tbh

[spice spire]

I mean... withdraw. from markets for serious side effects

Now that you mention it, all oxys listed have deadly side effects, bone marrow suppression, addiction, and the main source of aging. Oxys low key kinda suck. Oxi is cracked tho

[nimble tartan]

oxyclean cant forget about that one

[spice spire]

Cocaine addiction is the side effect there :/

Rip billy mays

[gusty mirage]

[plain onyx]

the ideal way to sim for AoE/Dungeons for assassins ? Patchwerk/5 Bosses/1m30s ?

[stoic needle]

dungeon slice

[plain onyx]

DSlice ? Hmm, thought no one is using it because it's not that accurate.

[tulip nacelle]

it is very accurate for rogues

[plain onyx]

Alright, thanks.

[plain onyx]

When I sim with Dungeon Slice, I should put the "Weapon Oil" option on both hands right ? Or I should keep it on "SimC Default" ?

[gusty mirage]

do +ap

[vagrant bison]

While reading ryfie guide and I saw that he envenoms in aoe also to keep the poison application buff up, does it increase your damage in a significative way? Cause so far I pretty much ignored envenoms in aoe

[kind talon]

Aoe your only focus is to maintain bleeds

Envenom to keep slice and dice up

[foggy moat]

does it matter wich enchant is on wich dagger?

[drifting cloud]

no

[elfin shoal]

Lads lads lads what stats are you stacking in sin? For raid and m+? I know this is asked alot on here

[tulip nacelle]

you should sim, generally crit haste for raid, crit mastery for aoe, again you should sim and not focus on secondaries too much

[elfin shoal]

@tulip nacelle thank you bro thats what I thought it was nice one

[astral plover]

Thoughts on rerolling necro in 9.1?

[craggy oak]

Pretty broad and unspecific question, is there any cool/nieche min max shit you can do with sin that isnt on any guide and such, dont know how better to ask the question

[limber lion]

Necro is currently great and looking great in the ptr. The new necro legendary is pretty bonkers for AoE.

[limber lion]

There's a lot of cheesy stuff you can incorporate in your gameplay, like the potion cheese, using MFD to get SnD before the pull, using Deathly Shadows before the fight (not the best on Sin) and so on.

Minmaxing assassination comes from managing your energy properly by pooling, using combo points efficiently, maximizing your potential in multi target fights, using cooldowns properly, and knowing when to use them on cooldown and when to sync etc.

[blissful juniper]

^This can be applied to literally every class if you swap out a few words such as energy -> RP. Think he meant more specific

[limber lion]

That is as specific as it gets.

It's not really a hard spec with a lot of secrets tied to it.

[craggy oak]

Ye ty for trying i get ya, i was meaning as the follows, hopefully you know dk a bit, an example would be holding rime proc if remorslas winter is comeing up and you not going to be obliting any time soon so you get an extra stack, not massive not impressive, but not on the guide and comes from competency of playing the class, wondering if such thing existed in sin that someone could say before i sink in hours to find out my self if that makes sense

[limber lion]

Not really. There's a few things that you learn by playing

Like when playing Vigor, you Mutilate once and get to 3 combo points and you then start pooling on 3 instead of mutilating again, because you know that your garrote is about to get into pandemic range, which you can then use to get to 4 combo points without losing combo points with Mutilate.

Or you get to 3 combo points and Shiv is about to come off cooldown, so you wait for it instead of using another Mutilate, getting to 5 combo points and then using Shiv at max combo points.

Potentially wasting Mutilate's Seal Fate combo points and Shiv's combo points.

But that all ties into what I said previously, which is managing energy and using combo points efficiently.

[craggy oak]

Ye i get you, that first point you mentioned involving vigor, is that specific to vigor if so why, i dont see why you woulnt do that as MA

[limber lion]

You do the same thing with Deeper Stratagem, but instead you build to 4 combo points.

MA is not in the same row as Vigor.

[craggy oak]

Fuck ye my bad point still stands, ty, meant DS, have to say, i am liking the hands on play style of ain, especially when 2+ targets are introduced

[void gazelle]

I just went to Necrolord, how am i supposed t ouse SBS in single target? Use it on cooldown as a builder thats all?

[hollow dirge]

I just started necro too, so not 100% sure it’s the best way , on st I like to save some for vendetta if coming off cd soon, or shiv so I can get envenom or two more into shiv

[limber lion]

SBS as your first gcd, you want to use SBS during Gemstone procs only.

[hollow dirge]

Sounds good, I felt gemstones are great for mutilates , as mutilate crits are op for us , especially with doomblade, so I pooled energy before gemstones and go full blown muti env spam

[honest heath]

Is there a wa to track gemstones?

[hollow dirge]

ofc , there us a wa for eeeeverything 😂

[honest heath]

That's a very true statement haha

[limber lion]

Yep. Wago.io is your friend

[void gazelle]

So i just let them at 3 stacks until gemstone procs and blow them?

[limber lion]

You don't want to cap them, but otherwise yes

[misty zenith]

Gonna stick to Venthyr for now

Until there is more information on all of 9.1

[void gazelle]

For aoe or m+ use Heimir or Emeni?

[limber lion]

Always heirmir

[strange python]

i think emeni is an outlaw thing for large aoe

so ive heard

do you think we'll be using zoldyck for execution in any of the 9.1 raid fights

or doomblade

im new to rogue and ive been looking at logs and doomblade looks so crazy

[hazy crater]

I could see Zoldyck being used in some fights, mostly Doomblade though. But thats just wild speculation at this point

[sly spruce]

I used to use zoldyck before I got doom blade

Can someone explain how phial of purification is better than a aoe trinket on aoe? I sim it all etc

[elfin shoal]

It can proc on all targets you hit and scales with vers

[cunning star]

What is the potion cheese, you're referring to?

[gloomy rose]

hey, can I do mouseover macro that would check for range? I would like garrote to be cast on mouseover, but if the target is out of range to cast it on my target

[sacred isle]

Prepot with theotar refined palate then switch to Nadjia before pull

[frosty cedar]

how would you do that, switch spec?

[sacred isle]

You can switch soulbinds with tome, same as talents

[frosty cedar]

How much extra time does palate give you?

[sacred isle]

100-200%

[frosty cedar]

that's whack, thanks for info

and agi potion is still best for this?

[gloomy knoll]

you can make a wa for that that will tell you but not sure about a macro

[winter gale]

Whats ideal build for pure Sire Denathrius dmg?

Zoldyck/BS/DS/CT?

[stoic needle]

Emeni can beat heirmir if you're good at getting resets or running double melee in keys

[devout hazel]

finally i got a good try on sludg

[pure moth]

Congrats, this mythic?

[vestal hare]

Checked through this channel with little success on my question, I'm wondering what would be breakpoints for Assassination in terms of haste (e.g at X% of haste, your Bleed(s) tick this or that much faster)

I'm trying to figure out ideal stats, that's why :) so if there's anyone in here with any knowledge regarding this I'd really appreciate it

[steady owl]

oh i know whats coming next 😄 check the stats of someone with bis gear maybe?

[pure moth]

No..

You have to sim yourself for what is best for the gear you have. There are no break points and secondary stats do not matter

Its stated in the FAQ in the pinned messages

[ruby birch]

i believe that is heroic

[steady owl]

did we ever really want x% of a stat or was this something people did before simming because people didnt know any better and went with what felt good?

[mossy kite]

will the new necrolord lego be op for assa?

[ruby birch]

probably a combination of general stat weight (not char specific), feel, and wanting to avoid heavy DR

[vestal hare]

Not at all, I'm asking for the sake of PvP rather than PvE

@pure moth

[ruby birch]

#pvp for PvP questions

[vestal hare]

In previous expansions there have been times where you'd want X amount of stat for a specific reason

[ruby birch]

Spec discussions are PvE based

any haste percent works for PvP sin, generally people want at least 15 to feel good

[vestal hare]

Fair, I didn't find a theorycrafting channel. Thanks!

[ruby birch]

np, the PvP channel will have tons more info regarding PvP if that's your interest

[austere swallow]

iirc the in game macros don't allow for any sort of if statements, so no that would be impossible sadly :(

[gloomy rose]

yeah thought so, thanks

[ruby birch]

@gloomy rose you can try to overlap the commands

let me try something out and ill get back to you

[austere swallow]

Yeah you could maybe do something with the /console targetNearestDistance command, but dunno how to implement that into a mouseover. And I dunno if any similar commands even exist

[soft obsidian]

should i craft zoldyck insignia on legs on feet

[ruby birch]

yeah no i dont think the base macro system works

prob would need a WA or advanced macro toolkit for something like that

[austere swallow]

yee

[ruby birch]

base macro system has no range check

[austere swallow]

yeh, a check would imply a if cus no point in having a check without a if/when

[gloomy rose]

thanks for trying though

[sly spruce]

Thanks!

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion I got into a heroic sire pug at 3am in hopes I could beat your parse, had a warlock pulling 2.1k dps and I decided to leave your parse is safe for now

I had a few good tries but idk if I could manage to do it

[limber lion]

2.1k is definitely a feat especially if you don't die

[crystal otter]

I'm like 160, a fresh 60 rogue and could do that kind of DPS :/

[limber lion]

I'm sure you can!

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the dude started complaining that people were killing the adds to fast

“Pls don’t kill adds during the line thing”

“You have left the group.”

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Oh boy.

Well my new guild private logs, so won't be seeing me on the mythic leaderboards next tier

[balmy condor]

Legs

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I don't really understand private logs

[gusty mirage]

You’ll be there in my heart

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Not a thing anymore

[limber lion]

Also, why the hell does every addon turn on and the whole UI reset whenever you realm transfer >:(

[gusty mirage]

Yeah all the top guilds do it, and I don’t get it either

[gusty mirage]

Because blizzard saves your UI stuff in a server folder and then a character folder

You can copy it over from your wtf folder to the new server

[limber lion]

Yeaah it's no biggie, just annoying.

[gusty mirage]

They don’t have the technology

[limber lion]

I was just about to say

[frail fossil]

cuz top guilds, due to their schedule, and specially your guild is finnish only, only have a very limited pool of player to pick from, so getting poached a guy that is good, finnish and can raid their extended hour would be very bad

[limber lion]

Surely they have the technology to see what addons/ui settings my character uses and transfers them with the character on the new realm.

[frail fossil]

as they might not find a suitable replacement

so lots of top guilds private logs to avoid poaching

[limber lion]

Yeh, fair enough

[gusty mirage]

The 🍝 code won’t allow it

[frail fossil]

also they dont want log whores i

but to avoid poach is a huge part

[limber lion]

Guess I really do have to start farming Heroic logs in 9.1 then

[frail fossil]

a lot of private logs guild have hc logs public tho

[gusty mirage]

I feel like that won’t end up doing much to avoid poaching tbh. If you’re in a top 100 guild in the world, you could easily get poached by anyone just for being a raider for them ya know?

[tepid ridge]

still don't get why ppl farm logs

[frail fossil]

yeah but sometime u just dont know the guy

like idk do u think method or w/e knows every raider a finnish guild has

if u see a guy has all rank 1 in mythic by just clicking on wcl top all star

and is in a mid ranked guild

[gusty mirage]

True. I can see the logic behind it for sure

[frail fossil]

i mean private logs wont avoid all poaching

but it helps

[gusty mirage]

This just means whatever mythic parses I get will be higher than Cev’s

[frail fossil]

as u said, like a guy from ur guild dips for a better guild, talk about you, so their recruitment officer poach you

all those are things that happens

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion I’ll finally beat you due to semantics

[frail fossil]

he'll be 10/10 when we'll be 3/10

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

That's like saying "I don't understand why people do pilates"

Because they want to

They enjoy doing it

You don't need to like it

[frail fossil]

it's fun

[limber lion]

But it's fun for some of us.

[frail fossil]

without logs chasing reclear is boring

[balmy condor]

Pilates

[gusty mirage]

I loved our heroic parse runs tbh

[balmy condor]

[subtle kiln]

just private log yourself. you always have it then.

[gusty mirage]

Got to see everyone fully focused for once

[balmy condor]

I didn’t realize cev was a 45 year old soccer mom

Fucking Pilates

[limber lion]

Oh shit, good point I didn't even think about it.

[gusty mirage]

That’s why he doesn’t stream with a cam on

[limber lion]

It was just an example, fuck pilates.

Apparently it's the best thing for classical musicians and helps strengthen your core muscles

[subtle kiln]

yeah fuck meeting attractive women that are flexible.

[balmy condor]

The problem is you have to be flexible as well

[subtle kiln]

you actually don’t. “i need help”

[balmy condor]

Yeah you do

[subtle kiln]

awe look at the struggling guy over there

[limber lion]

My girlfriend got worried when I showed her how not flexible I am

Like I can't lay on the bed and put my feet up and have them be straight

[frail fossil]

tell ur gf ur not flexible but ur in wr 30 guild

[limber lion]

It's always like

120 degrees

[balmy condor]

“I’m a pumper”

[limber lion]

I flex in-game, not irl

[gusty mirage]

I try to hide my World of Warcraft addiction from my personal life

Raid night: “Let’s grab dinner?” “Sorry, working late”

[frail fossil]

lying

[limber lion]

I used to do that, now I just don't care

[frail fossil]

just say you're about to game

[gusty mirage]

I’m a lawyer, it’s practice for work

[frail fossil]

hello mom yes i wont eat with u tonight i have raid xoxo

[balmy condor]

My gf always gives kisses and tells me to have a good raid

[gusty mirage]

[frail fossil]

so u admit ur job is just lying ?

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

That’s adorable af

[frail fossil]

me and who ?

[balmy condor]

Yeah and then I trial with a guild that wipes on heroic xymox for an hour

[cerulean nest]

whats the Exsanguinate-looking debuff that keeps popping up on Plater?

[gusty mirage]

My job is to make my clients leave me alone. So “it’s processing” usually means I haven’t bothered filing yet

[cerulean nest]

i want it gone lol

[frail fossil]

[balmy condor]

Doomblade

[gusty mirage]

Too soon

[cerulean nest]

ahhhh

[frail fossil]

did u find a new one ?

[balmy condor]

It’s called mutilated flesh

[cerulean nest]

tyty

[balmy condor]

I trialed with oxi’s guild

[frail fossil]

go fucking beat oxi's ass on god

[gusty mirage]

It was an alt run okay although the idiots on their mains weren’t much better

[frail fossil]

what's ur prog?

[balmy condor]

They’re 6/10, couldn’t kill sire on heroic alt night, and then struggled to rekill hungering and inerva on thursday

[frail fossil]

get out

NOW

[balmy condor]

THATS WHAT TISU SAID TOO

[gusty mirage]

Best pull on council was Niklaus to 25% before we got overwhelmed

[frail fossil]

sorry oxi

but this aint it

[limber lion]

My girlfriend just asks "do you have to raid tonight "

[gusty mirage]

Hey, I said that too

[frail fossil]

oxi u literally trapped whispyr

into a demon guild

any explanations

[gusty mirage]

I did not

[balmy condor]

I just joined discord and they were chanting in some weird language I didn’t understand, I blacked out and woke up after we wiped on shriek

It was all over

[frail fossil]

ur kills timers

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t been quite transparent about the idiots that populate the bottom quarter of the raid. It’s just a few of our good raiders are on break until 9.1 so we’ve filled in with more potatoes. Some are just moldy now instead of regular potatoes.

[frail fossil]

5min shriekwing kills

jesus

is ur raid 208 ilv ?

[gusty mirage]

Like senreth. The back pedaling hunter

[gusty mirage]

4 fucking people died to the red circle of doom

[frail fossil]

whyspir fucking dip man

and oxi too

demon guild

[gusty mirage]

Had they survived that first intermission it would’ve been fine. But they walked in with bravado and thought they could face roll it

Not realizing 6 people in the raid team could be replaced by a broom in a computer chair that’d perform better

[gusty mirage]

I’m in the process of poaching 4-5 people from a guild that I know can do mechanics properly. If we can get them, we’ll be fine. If we can’t, I’m going to go on hiatus until 9.1 and personally pimp out Whispyr to new guilds

As my way of saying I’m sorry

[frail fossil]

i mean if u wanna invest time into that u do u

[balmy condor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PunchyUgliestBunnyPlanking-vM1hzm5V3t0AUlbO

[gusty mirage]

I promised the GM I’d stay until 9.1 when I first joined. So they have me until then.

[limber lion]

I hate that fucking strat

[frail fossil]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[rain mortar]

Feels like that is happening everywhere. Lots of people don’t want to play until 9.1. We were 6/10 And now can’t raid. Luckily most of our shitters wanted a break and now we are taking 8 of our good guys and merging with another guilds

[frail fossil]

who is this absolute demon monk

[rain mortar]

So hopefully that makes us better who knows.

[limber lion]

4 groups

Random mess of shit 👎

[frail fossil]

what strat is that ?

[balmy condor]

I had cloak though

[gusty mirage]

It’s even funnier when you realize the guy who did it is a blast from Whispyr’s past

[balmy condor]

Couldve Just cloaked it

Just react faster

Always assume your raid will snipe you

[limber lion]

Where you have the raid stack and the circle boys dip in to heal

Instead of the other way around

[frail fossil]

i mean it's a bit hard cloaking something u have no idea will happen until like 0.2sec before ur death

[limber lion]

Where the circle boys stand still and people come in to heal

[frail fossil]

cant they just make group like everyone else

[gusty mirage]

Yeah 4head anticipate the monk rolling to narnia with the beam

[gusty mirage]

No no we tried that and our ranged showcased how mentally deficient they are and they failed that strat a thousand times

[frail fossil]

[gusty mirage]

You’d think an easier strat would work better. But we have some real gamers who are missing brain matter

Like our most vocal warlock who bitches about melee messing up on every boss

@balmy condor I want to stab death in the face.

[limber lion]

Sounds like a great environment

[balmy condor]

[frail fossil]

i frankly dont know why u're wasting ur time there

[balmy condor]

Come trial with my guild they said

[gusty mirage]

He literally cried on council prog and rage quit during the prog night about melee “going to fast” and it was a mage who hit him with the dark recital

[limber lion]

But then again Flower

[frail fossil]

honestly any 8/10 or 9/10 woulld accept a guy that has purple/blue logs

[compact pumice]

I hate that strat too. The IRT one is just super easy

[limber lion]

Flower

This is a man who skipped mythic progression altogether to get to 6/10

[gusty mirage]

Idk about that man. It’s tough to just guild hop with mediocre logs at 6/10

[balmy condor]

I’m 3/10 now

[limber lion]

[frail fossil]

yeah i had a guild reach out to my monk who was 0/10m to progress slg, solely cuz of my monk hc parse

they didn't know my main had CE

[gusty mirage]

Given our awful kill timers his logs weren’t terrible

[limber lion]

Yeh

[frail fossil]

literally 8/10 or 9/10m guild are desperate for players

[limber lion]

But like I think it's just fair that Whispyr gets to struggle a bit

[balmy condor]

Top damage across all kills

[limber lion]

I mean, we struggled when we progressed the bosses the first time

[gusty mirage]

The two rogues were top damage

[frail fossil]

i mean there's struggle and frankly waste of time

[limber lion]

I mean

[balmy condor]

I might have an in with a CE guild

[limber lion]

If you join a new guild that starts progression now

[balmy condor]

So

[limber lion]

You'll be slower with them

[balmy condor]

That might be a thing

[limber lion]

Than joining a shitty 6/10 guild

[frail fossil]

like yes it's fine to get in p bad guild to start with

but guilds that are currently 8/10 or 9/10 are not that good either

[limber lion]

Even if it's a shitty guild, it's still better than starting from zero

[limber lion]

[frail fossil]

[gusty mirage]

The thing is, when we were raiding with our core we progged super quick. If you check our wow progress numbers our pull to kill ratios were good enough to be 8/10 easily. We were missing 1 really good dps and then other people started disappearing

[gusty mirage]

Do they need m+ Andys?

I’ll go in as a m+ social player

[frail fossil]

honestly whysp hc logs are enough to warrantee him into a pretty decent guild

cuz hc logs for mythic raiders are irrelevant

since they have mythic gear

and usually get parses from boosts or cheese runs

[limber lion]

And massive cocks

[frail fossil]

but it's another thing having 99 with a casual guild

[gusty mirage]

I agree fully

[limber lion]

Anyone can find a guild if you look hard enough.

[gusty mirage]

Tbh I’m about to just join whispyr’s guild while he goes down in the mythic shenanigans

Go get CE, I’ll keep your seat warm in your old guild @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

@deep wharf

[gusty mirage]

last week demoralized me from raiding pretty hard lol

[odd hazel]

my guilds team just basically said we arent raiding any more till next patch so lmaooo

[gusty mirage]

idk if I can manage another tier like this. I may just uninstall the game

[frail fossil]

i was an absolute shitter in 8.3, with shit logs and the guild i got in first for sl is 10/10m atm

[dire steeple]

Is assa venthyr?

[limber lion]

Exactly.

[frail fossil]

it's a lot easier getting into guilds than people think if u can sell yourself well enough

[gusty mirage]

For pure ST yes

Necro becomes better once there are adds

[frail fossil]

and whyspir can easily sell himself

[dire steeple]

kty

[limber lion]

You probably won't find a guild if you apply to 3 top 100 guilds and nothing else

If you apply to 50 different guilds at top 500+

You can easily find one

[balmy condor]

Just join my guild, do what I never could, recruit a mythic group, and then get stuck on roster boss again

[gusty mirage]

So what I’m going through now?

Besides Goob none of the other officers are doing anything

[balmy condor]

You’re already in my guild then

Wtf man

[frail fossil]

but yeah frankly oxi u should dip too

[gusty mirage]

One of them plays Valheim and raid logs lol and then complains about raid performance

[frail fossil]

like u said u'll be there until 9.1

but no one does anything except u

just leave

w/e if u make 1 or 2 nerds angry

[gusty mirage]

Goob wants to make me an officer when I told him I’m trying to get us 4 solid raiders

[frail fossil]

dont accept lol

u're only a raider right ?

[limber lion]

I was asked to become an officer in 2 of my previous guilds as well lol.

[gusty mirage]

Oh I told him absolutely not unless I get a the freedom to boot the shitters

That plan died real quick

[frail fossil]

i dont see why u would promise to stick out until the next patch if ur not even an officer

if the actual officers and gm dont do shit and u have to recruit despite being none of those that's a red flag

[gusty mirage]

Because it’s my first time progging since wrath of the lich king, and guild atmosphere is big for me. I trialed for a mythic guild in 8.3 and they were douchebags and I’ve never felt more miserable logging in

[frail fossil]

ur ui is great @balmy condor

[limber lion]

Enough simping

[gusty mirage]

Plus I don’t think I’m any good tbh. I view myself as an above average player

[balmy condor]

[hot brook]

@frail fossil where it has been shown?

[frail fossil]

his twitch tv

[balmy condor]

My twotch

[frail fossil]

wait

[frail fossil]

https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv

fixed

[balmy condor]

Flower why you such a cutie

[gusty mirage]

But I’m 110% a Whispyr simp, but this is the season I beat him on the assa leaderboards

[frail fossil]

sub to whispyr onlysims for exclusive ui access

onlypins

[gusty mirage]

It’d just be clips of him yelling obscenities at SimC

[balmy condor]

“Oh yeah you fucking like that? When I change your apl? Yeah you’re really fucking bad I bet I can find a couple tenths of a percent out of you”

[frail fossil]

[gusty mirage]

I’d pay good money to see your reactions to some of the questions that float through

[hot brook]

Ok just did

[twilit hollow]

[hot brook]

Really cool ui, clean

[balmy condor]

Thank you :)

[gusty mirage]

I would compliment your UI but you roasted me for 2 days and made me redo my entire UI so I’d be less self conscious

[limber lion]

Wtf

I should have stocked up on supplies before transfering

Fuck me

[frail fossil]

post ui

[limber lion]

That's 7 times more expensive than in Kazzak

[hot brook]

Is the ui shared somewhere?

[gusty mirage]

Will do as soon as I get to my pc

[balmy condor]

The most fun I’ve had simming was the whole “sitting in stealth with master assassin” thing people tried at the start of the expansion

[balmy condor]

Yes! One second

[gusty mirage]

Those last 2 seem like a really good deal

[frail fossil]

it's a loss right ?

u dont sit for seconds while ur dots crit right

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/p/whispyr

Should all be there

[balmy condor]

Huge

Sitting in stealth with MA for even like 4 seconds was a 3% loss I think

[frail fossil]

even made outlaw WAs

respect

[balmy condor]

Or maybe 4%?

[hot brook]

Thank you, btw really great podcast at Marcelian's

[balmy condor]

thank you

[frail fossil]

[limber lion]

Tomes were legit 40g in Kazzak, why are they 280g here >:(( I'm not Seli who has multiple characters at gold cap, I'm poor af

[gusty mirage]

Is that when they butchered his name?

[balmy condor]

The description was wrong 3 times

[frail fossil]

just say u were featured in a marcielian vid in ur guild app

[balmy condor]

[frail fossil]

VVhyspir

[indigo mulch]

Vyspyr

[limber lion]

halo i am figurine of rogue adn i make very good podcast with youtube

[frail fossil]

figurine

hm

[balmy condor]

Hallo i Play rouge and i was wondering if you have a moment to speak with our lord and savior obedience

I have the sacred scriptures here

taps raidbots

[indigo mulch]

I love raidbots wdym

[balmy condor]

Akaari gaaaaarbage

[gusty mirage]

But I heard dslice isn’t reliable

[balmy condor]

Get that shit out of my class

[indigo mulch]

Someday ill make a ui for simcraft

[balmy condor]

I heard it’s reliably wrong

[balmy condor]

Better than simcraft already has?

[indigo mulch]

Its rayher unfriendly if you ask me.

Rather*

[balmy condor]

Well that’s what raidbots is for

[indigo mulch]

I mean for proficient users its fine but for the random noob its not.

[balmy condor]

The random noob doesn’t need simcraft tho

Like yeah the cockpit of an airplane is confusing

But not everyone needs to be a pilot

[indigo mulch]

Me and a friend talked about making one but doing a new db to nit have to relay on wowhead is just to much work.

[balmy condor]

The vast majority are passengers

Who don’t care

[indigo mulch]

Just simply it abit. Add sockets with clicks drop down menu for items etc. Nothing super fancy

Thst was the idea atleast.

[gusty mirage]

Drop down menu for items would be kinda miserable to deal with from both a coding and a user viewpoint

[indigo mulch]

? You click the item slot search your item select it chose socket and ilvl and click it.

[gusty mirage]

That’s not a drop down is it 🙂

[indigo mulch]

I mesn hsving a thousand items in a drop down is prob not ideal

Lol

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that’s my point, we used to have that back in the day with the old rogue excel spreadsheet we used and it was miserable on both ends lol

[indigo mulch]

But like i said, building the ui is easy but making the db for it is jusy to much work.

[gusty mirage]

But hey man, ideas of fixing stuff up could lead to your own front end for SimC which could end up being extremely successful. Don’t write that idea off just yet

[indigo mulch]

I wanted it to be completely client side. So there wouldnt be any time lag for people.

You just sesrch the time click it add socket select ilvl and bam. Done.

If we would use apl from wow head it would be much slower.

[balmy condor]

I add sockets with like 2 seconds of typing

[indigo mulch]

Its nit for people like you though

Not*

[balmy condor]

Yeah but who is it for

The people who aren’t me and editing APL and shit have all the things you mentioned

Add a gem? Top gear has a drop down

A way to search items? That’s gear compare

Droptimizer even sims all the items you don’t have

[indigo mulch]

For people who wanted to use simc on their own pc but without any limits for example. I know thst raidbot is pretty much that already.

Like i said it was an idea to make a frontend ui for simc.

[balmy condor]

That’s what raidbots premium is for

[slow marsh]

Imo you either pay for raidbots sub or learn how to edit your own simc. Pretty easy

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

And you don't even have to pay for raidbots if you REALLY don't want to

[balmy condor]

If you really want to use simc locally, and you’re trying to do something that raidbots doesn’t allow due to iteration limits

Then you’re a very very niche individual

And I think it’s perfectly reasonable thing to just let those 15 people just learn simc

[indigo mulch]

Maybe but having that option even if its niche is better no?

[balmy condor]

Yes having things are better than not having things

[slow marsh]

I mean you just have to consider the work for the people creating such niche thing

[balmy condor]

But it ain’t worth it man

[indigo mulch]

I mean it wouldnt just be for those people. Its foe me aswell lol as an aspiring ux designer its good practice lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean I guess

You’d have to maintain it and shit too

Idk sounds like a headache to me

[indigo mulch]

The only annoying part is making the database.

Hence why we never did it.

[sacred isle]

That episode of Big Bang theory comes to mind when they develop an app with a marketgroup of 10 or so 🙂

[cerulean umbra]

I think adding code snippets for people that don't know the code for X thing but wanna get started with it helps

[hot brook]

What about all the updates? Sounds a lot of work to implement all the hotfixs

[cerulean umbra]

Like how to add a gem/increase itl or w/e. But I wouldn't go further than making a code snippet.
A fully fledged UI sounds like something very annoying to use & maintain which only a few individuals would cater to

[indigo mulch]

Like i said, in a project like that is that once the UI is there it wont need much changes unless you want to change something. The annoying part is building and maintaining the DB.

[vestal wren]

just my 2c abour local simc

while you can run "unlimited" sim combinations

i think people underestimate just the time those super big sims take

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, i know fuu. Its pretty intense on your machine. :X

[vestal wren]

e.g. raidbots even does staged simulations

simc client does not do that by default

[indigo mulch]

To the regards of the db it is possible to write a script that snipes the ID of an item off wowhead but that defeats the purpose of it being completly client side and would slow down everything.

Localy* not client side D:

I'm tired 😐

[vestal wren]

you can queue up items/spells in simc

ignore sound, i had msi open in the background

[indigo mulch]

Aye

[vestal wren]

i am not sure what you try to achive

[indigo mulch]

The vision was just to make a simplified version of simc for a very niché amount of people.

1 was practice for me to build ui's and ux

[fallen arch]

Doesn’t sound lazy to me

[vestal wren]

you can build a electron frontend for simc and parse the json to it

[limber swallow]

ew, electron

[vestal wren]

electron, react native, etc... all of them are very nice if you work focused on ui

[balmy condor]

There’s a GitHub wiki for exactly that

[vestal wren]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists

^

[indigo mulch]

y

[vestal wren]

or do you talk about modifying the simc source

because apl should cover most use cases of simc

what would be the target group for your project?

people who want to sim local can already do so with the cli or gui version

[cerulean umbra]

I just learnt to do shit by myself, but if there's already something for that, the UI is definitely not needed :p

[balmy condor]

I learned everything from the wiki tbh

[vestal wren]

the majority is quite straight forward

[balmy condor]

I only had some minor questions about setting up the workspace through Vscode and then some things I was too blind to find on my own

Yeah it’s not that bad

[vestal wren]

also esp. rogue apl has a lot of comments so you will find yourself a explanation if something is not straight forward

[devout hazel]

someone bored here

want to parse

?

[vestal wren]

not sure what you ask for?

[devout hazel]

just go to heroic pugs

to try to get huge parses

im bored af

ok 😦

[frail fossil]

this is not the place to ask rly

[limber lion]

Just make a group yourself

[frosty bridge]

Guys, can I get a quick opinion piece? My 210 Zoldyck sims +193 DPS higher over 235 Doomblade in 3 minute execute patchwerk (looking for the most DPS to finish Sire prog)

[frail fossil]

yes zoldyck is better in execute than doomblade

[limber lion]

Well

[frosty bridge]

But considering Sire starts at 40.5% and the sim starts at 20%, is it worth it going for Zoldyck?

[limber lion]

If the sim says that Zoldyck is better

Then you should probably use Zoldyck

[balmy condor]

Yeah @devout hazel this isn’t LFG, please do not ask about group forming. There’s other discords or in game that can handle that, we don’t really like that around here :)

[limber lion]

I posted some Sire sims here earlier you can look them up

[frosty bridge]

Sweet, thanks. Was just wondering due to Sire starting at 40.5% and therefore having a DPS loss til 30%. I'll check it out, thanks.

[balmy condor]

What’s that sim

Execute patchwerk?

[limber lion]

No

40% sim with lust at 1:45

A patchwork Sire P3 sim

[balmy condor]

Aha

[frosty bridge]

Pretty sick, is there I way to replicate that sim?

[limber lion]

But ye, take it with a grain of salt.

Or a mountain of it

Sire obviously has a lot of mechanical stuff and downtime

[balmy condor]

I would be curious how the results match up with a regular execute patchwerk

I assume pretty similar

[limber lion]

Yeh probably

Someone was asking for a 40% sim with lust at 1:45

[magic gale]

which slot should you craft zoldyck on ?

[limber lion]

They claimed Doomblade was better than Zoldyck

[balmy condor]

Legs

[dull mural]

Morning

[limber lion]

Because P3 starts at 40

[magic gale]

thanks whispyr

[dull mural]

Had a quick question... How is Assin Necrolord doing ?

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Good.

[frosty bridge]

I would 100% use Zoldyck if i had it 235, but I was curious if i could sim it more accurately with the ilvl diff

[balmy condor]

That’s what we all run here

So

Pretty good

[limber lion]

The ilvl doesn't matter that much

[dull mural]

@balmy condor So Necro Assin is the way to go then.... omg lol ill switch from Venthyr then I guess

[balmy condor]

Venthyr is fine

[limber lion]

But yeh, execute pw is pretty similar honestly

[balmy condor]

Necro is just more cleave/aoe

[dull mural]

Yeah, I need that! I run Mythic plus

[balmy condor]

The loss on 1 target is pretty small

So

[limber lion]

If you give me your profile, I can use the sim to sim you.

[frosty bridge]

Gotcha, I guess I will try Zoldyck a few pulls tonight and compare it to last weeks' Doomblade P3 DPS

[balmy condor]

Venthyr atm is parse cheesing with theotar

[frosty bridge]

Me?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[balmy condor]

I don’t see much of a reason to run it otherwise

[limber lion]

[dull mural]

run what otherside?

[limber lion]

The only reason I swapped was because of Theo. Fuck Venthyr.

[magic gale]

should i use missives of what stat weight's suggest or specific ones when crafting zoldyck legs?

[dull mural]

Theotar?

ohh! another thing, what stats should I be looking for for Mythic plus?

Crit Mastery?

[balmy condor]

Theotar has double pot duration, so you can prepot with double duration, and then swap to venthyr

[balmy condor]

Crit > mastery/haste/vers

They’re all close after haste

Usually just take highest ilvl you can, and look for crit

[dull mural]

thats for M+ and Raid?

[balmy condor]

You can sim yourself with dungeonslice

For m+

[dull mural]

ok

and for raid?

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[dull mural]

perfect! thanks

[balmy condor]

Also in the pins, if you ever lose that link

[limber lion]

📌

[barren crater]

What conduits do you guys recommend? I am using WPS and Maim, Mangle in my potency

[limber lion]

Not those.

Which covenant are you?

[balmy condor]

Definitely should not use main mangle

Like ever