assassination

[rapid stratus]

and its awful

[ornate raptor]

Il show you mine if you show me yours lol

[hollow river]

Lmao

[ornate raptor]

Sexy sentence

[rapid stratus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/fizzcrank/rogul

[ornate raptor]

I pop my cds on trash which i love to do

Sometimes maybe to enjoyfull for me

[rapid stratus]

right, but for ex, the first pull of HOA the 3 pull with hero, youre gonna be 3rd or 4th on dmg depending on tank

[hollow river]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qXDxNTAraCgmQLj9

[rapid stratus]

imma just look at pull 6 your guys' best pull

[hollow river]

Got some pugs in there mixed in

[ornate raptor]

Love the name backstabu

[rapid stratus]

oh thats only SLG?

[ornate raptor]

You just get a blue parse cause of that

[rapid stratus]

thought it was sire

[hollow river]

And sludge I thought

[rapid stratus]

right thought you were gonna link sire, but yea ill check it out

[ornate raptor]

Oh your a necro

Hows that working for u

[hollow river]

Ahh I can I just wanted to show that rq

I like necro more than venthyr for sure.

[ornate raptor]

I just swapped my alt rogue to necro its a lot of fun

I got 2 rogues yes

😂

[rapid stratus]

first huge thing

you only used shiv 8 times

[hollow river]

Much more forgiving than venthyr if you cast flag and get a mechanic you wasted a 2 min cd D:

[rapid stratus]

in a 5 minute fight, you can easily get 3-4 more in

[hollow river]

On sludge?

[rapid stratus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KwrT9zLC2fMPBNQ8#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=12

thats my mythic kill, i had 11 playing sin for the first time all tier

[hollow river]

I was told 1 on pull, 1 for each pillar and 1 in between each pillar

[rapid stratus]

you basically use shiv on CD

you can get 2 in before first pillar

[frail fossil]

this is right

[rapid stratus]

itll be up on pillar

[frail fossil]

u can 2 shiv before first pillar p much

and then 1 inbetween each pillar

[hollow river]

Maybe not on heroic? Idk

[rapid stratus]

nope

[frail fossil]

no idea how on heroic

[rapid stratus]

its the same timings

[frail fossil]

but in mythic

[hollow river]

Ah

[rapid stratus]

same exact timings unless someone fucks on chain slam

my parse isnt even good

but i had 3 more shivs which is huge

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m still improving and learning how to judge fights and what to do in them.

[rapid stratus]

right, dont take this as me shitting on you

just constructive, cause im not the best rogue player either

[hollow river]

Don’t want to learn how to copy paste and memorize strats for this tier specifically more so trying to learn judgement of that for myself

[rapid stratus]

that comes with experience

[hollow river]

Naw you’re good I don’t mind

[rapid stratus]

and time put in

[hollow river]

Right right

[ornate raptor]

I was happy sin rogue when i got a 91 parse on mythic sunking

[rapid stratus]

so another thing

hmm one sec

nvm it looks like your <4 CP finishers are rupture which is fine

so if you know youre heroing first pillar, save vendetta for first pillar

[balmy condor]

Is he doing 4 pillars

[rapid stratus]

5 minute kill so its either just hitting 4th pillar or right before it

[balmy condor]

Cause we don’t change cooldowns based on lust

4 pillar is still pull/2/4

3 pillar is 1/3

[rapid stratus]

yea i guess youre right cause he got 3 full vendettas off

my b

[hollow river]

Yeap

[rapid stratus]

honestly, youre rupture/garrote uptime is near perfect as well as SnD, you had a 77 ilvl parse, but youre missing bshout and you could prolly farm the plaguefall trinket

obviously you need to upgrade your 190 doomblade

and definitely swap lightless force out for celestial

[hollow river]

I don’t want to swap Ench everyday :/

[rapid stratus]

enchants are cheap mate, im enchanting/eng on all my chars

and you dont go lightless for anything really

[hollow river]

Maybe for you lol between flasks and pots I’m a broke bum

M+?

[rapid stratus]

well if you were in a good guild theyd drop flasks and prolly give you pots too 😛

i dont run lightless in mythics and neither do the top players

[hollow river]

They do for the most part

But in m+ I use a loott

[rapid stratus]

and if your goal is to prog raids then sin/cel is the best option for every fight

[hollow river]

Right

[rapid stratus]

cel is almost mandatory, its better than sinful imo

nearly 60% uptime of 5% increased stats is insane

[hollow river]

If I was worried about my output compared to everyone else’s in our raid group, I’d probably run it

Maybe I’ll try seeing as I haven’t been doing m+ all week

[rapid stratus]

vs 35% uptime of sinful which is 6% inc dmg

if youre not worried about your output, which you shouldnt for your ilvl than what are you asking us about? to tell us your guild is shit? hahah

[hollow river]

Didn’t know that I just listened to someone else on sinful

[rapid stratus]

we're 8/10 and i can still tell you the shitters in our guild lol

we have a MW that dies 80% of the time to upheaval

[hollow river]

You’re the one who asked to look at it rofl

xD

[rapid stratus]

lol yea i did, but from looking at it, youre not the problem at all

[ornate raptor]

He never said he was the issue

His guild was

😂😂

[rapid stratus]

your ilvl is just low, but you started 3 months ago

[hollow river]

(:

[rapid stratus]

have yall killed SLG or nah?

[hollow river]

Yeah m+ is honestly really hard for me I’ve been trying to push but without a good steady group it’s rough

Yes we have

[rapid stratus]

yea sin in M+ is super hard to play, i dont even try honestly

outlaw is just easier

[hollow river]

We normally down it on 2nd raid night farm run

[rapid stratus]

I will say if you consider 10 wipes on a boss to be farm then you 100% need to find a new guild lol

like i said before our 200 ilvl alt run clears are usually 1.5-2hours and we arent even a top 3000 guild

you seem like you know your stuff for the most part so dont take this as me shitting on you or anything, im shitting on your guild cause they arent that great from what it looks like

[limber lion]

First of all, why the heck are you not on the same group as the Enha shaman? The Enha is giving WFT to an UDK, Boomkin and a Hunter.

You should always have your Enha in a group full of melees. Now he's on a group of 4 people, of which 2 of them are ranged

[rapid stratus]

didnt even notice that cause we dont run an enh but yea, WF will add like 3-4%

[limber lion]

Not only are you losing damage by not having 5 people in the group, you're losing damage by having an owlboy in the group.

[mossy flicker]

Hello guys, I'm playing necro sin rogue actually. I'm kind of lost in mm+ with the necro ability

I mean I don't know which bleed I should prioritize

I've 187ilvl and only manage to reach 4k overall in my keys. Mobs are dying so fucking fast

[balmy condor]

Subt garrotes > ct > sbs > rupture > garrote

[rapid stratus]

187 ilvl at 4k dps is pretty good

if thats overall and not just your burst

[mossy flicker]

@balmy condor I see. Should I use my 3 sbs on cd ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

You should get the dot on everything, and then snipe with sbs if it’s getting close to dying

[ornate raptor]

Bloodshot 😂

[mossy flicker]

Sbs just feels weird to use, 3 gcds just with our covenant ability... how is venthyr in m+?

[hollow river]

@limber lion that’s all based on one someone trying to parse tbh we don’t normally have that shaman and I knew it but hey I don’t lead it ya feel me

[rapid stratus]

venthyr is really good for prides and any ST dmg

[mossy flicker]

@rapid stratus That was my overall dmg on most of my dungeons, but still I feel like I could be higher

[balmy condor]

Press button get stats

It’s noticeably worse tho

Necro slams in aoe

[rapid stratus]

you definitely can be higher, but at 187 thats very good depending on the key level, shoot i pug 15's with people doing sub 4k

[balmy condor]

Yeh 4k at 187 is fine

[mossy flicker]

@rapid stratus Yeah, me aswell on my main prot warrior. Sometimes I manage to get ahead in overall dps in ~15s

[rapid stratus]

yea, tbf as rogue, a tank pumping more than you on certain pulls isnt that insane, but overall anyone finishing below the tank is awful, 15's are easy at this point.

[mossy flicker]

Haha I pugged some destruction warlocks doing 3k overall in NW

Thank you for the many advices guys ! I'll keep training this lovely rogue

oh btw I crafted Zoldyck legendary to do everything, idk if it sounds good

raids, m+, pvp

[limber lion]

Interesting, as the only one getting benefit from the WFT is the Unholy DK and he parsed a green 36.

[hollow river]

@limber lion how do you see who he cast it on?

Also the one who switched the groups around and asked for WFT was the boomie

[teal bloom]

You don't cast wft on anyone, it is cast where shaman is standing

[hollow river]

It is only for the specific group that are in inside the raid group

They

From what I understand

[tulip nacelle]

yea it's groupwide not raidwide so shaman + up to 4ppl

[bright pine]

for mythic council is assassination or outlaw better?

[limber lion]

And he gets no value out of it.

[limber lion]

Open up the buffs window, search for WFT and click on it.

[frail fossil]

p sure wft for unholy is shit

[sullen pagoda]

Yep unholy pets dont get buffed by it

[limber lion]

It is shit, but it's the only one getting any benefit from it. He gets like 50 dps, Boomie gets literally 0.

[clear zealot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gleaming tiger]

anyone using plater addon here ?

[limber lion]

Yes sir

Can I help you with something?

[gleaming tiger]

ah i want to make plater shows

only spesific debuffs

like crimson tempest

garrot rupture

how can i set it

or mark of death etc

[tulip nacelle]

you can blacklist stuff you don't want to see

[gleaming tiger]

which tab

buff tracking or

[limber lion]

Give me a second, opening up WoW now

[gleaming tiger]

sure man ty

[limber lion]

Yes, Buff Tracking is the correct category. Here's what it looks like for me and what debuffs I have blacklisted

You just type the name or the ID of the debuff you want to blacklist on here and then click either of those buttons depending on which one you used.

[gleaming tiger]

ty mate

❤️

so much

[limber lion]

No problem mate.

[pliant apex]

can skulkers bug out on fights, even single target? it said ;'missed' on one of the uses on inerva

is it a buggy trinket? should i just stick with sins, skulker shows a 70 dps plus for me

[limber lion]

Shouldn't bug out like that. Can you link a log?

[keen cairn]

Yo boys

Any opinion on Wakener's Fond? The Ardenweald Haste trinket

Seems pretty decent to me since we can sync it with vendetta all the time

My Rogue is kinda demon geared around 210ish

[limber lion]

It's not the best. You can sim it using Top Gear in Raidbots

[keen cairn]

Yeah I did

[limber lion]

Still loses to most of the raid trinkets

[keen cairn]

But dunno how accurate the sims are

[limber lion]

Very accurate.

[keen cairn]

Aite

[limber lion]

That's why we use sims

[keen cairn]

I mean, certain trinkets/APL's are just not that good implemented

[limber lion]

Like what?

[keen cairn]

but yeah, the sim says it's a -2 DPS downgrade

[limber lion]

Can you give me an example of a badly implemented trinket?

[keen cairn]

Wrong word, meant inaccurate

for example proc trinkets etc

[limber lion]

Well, either way, can you give me an example?

[limber lion]

They are not innacurate

Whatsoever

The sim literally sims 10 000+ fights

And takes the average from those iterations.

One fight you get 1 proc, one fight you get 7

So the sim gives you an dps estimate of 4 procs.

Except instead of 2 examples, it's literally 10k+

[keen cairn]

Well

Weren't there some trinkets in the past that were somewhat bugged in sims?

Think I heard of it at least

[limber lion]

Give me an example.

Trinkets are rarely "bugged" in the sims

Some trinkets, like the Shadowgrasp Totem, were simming less because it wasn't public knowledge that the damage from the trinket was hasted.

[keen cairn]

Yeah that one for example

[limber lion]

But after that was found out, it was immediately implemented in the same.

[keen cairn]

I only read that something was wrong with sims/bloodmallet

[limber lion]

It's not a bugged sim, nor is Shadowgrasp Totem a proc trinket

like you mentioned earlier

[limber lion]

Where did you read any of that?

That's such a bold claim with no basis whatsoever

[keen cairn]

I'm pretty sure it was in this discord even. Some ppl were talking about, that the bloodmallet data for the grasp trinket were inaccurate

[limber lion]

That might have been back then before it was implemented in the sim

But again

Don't look at bloodmallet

You sim it yourself

Using raidbots

Bloodmallet assumes bis profile, so the trinkets will perform with different results when compared to your own profile

You have different stats, different gear, maybe different talents

[keen cairn]

For WL for example there were some issues with the sims, since the APL didn't hold PS for SR windows therefore 1min trinkets had inaccurate sims

[limber lion]

Yes, the Warlock APL is awful

There are many classes that have awful APL's

But ours is not

Ours is the best by far.

It's not even close.

[keen cairn]

Juicy

The more you know

[limber lion]

We have people who are working with Simulationcraft, Raidbots and HeroDamage directly

[keen cairn]

I see, so might aswell trust the sims immediately

[limber lion]

For example Warlock's apl is awful because they don't have dedicated theorycrafters actively working on it.

[limber lion]

As a Rogue, you can trust any and all sims.

But simulations are still simulations.

Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

[keen cairn]

yeah yeah obv

[limber lion]

Human error, performance, mechanics, raid comp etc. still matters

[keen cairn]

I mean speaking off raid sims at least, u can exclude the mechanics since it's Patchwerk

[limber lion]

No you got it upside down

I was saying that when you're simming yourself, you need to be aware of mechanics when you play the game

The sim does not account for mechanics, human error, performance and raid comp

[keen cairn]

Yeah yeah, I got that haha

[limber lion]

You have to do that.

[keen cairn]

Good thing, we can cheese a good bunch of mechanics

unlike warlocks

[limber lion]

Yep. HD is the closest to a patchwork fight in this tier.

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, but you’re melee, unlike warlock, so you still have dps losses where they don’t

[limber lion]

Especially if you kill it with just one consume.

[keen cairn]

Yeah I play DK/Lock/rogue. I'm aware of the melee life

[hollow dirge]

Especially this expansion, we’re getting buttfucked

[keen cairn]

Well, I don't have any issues on my dk tbf

they are broken

[limber lion]

This expansion or this tier?

[hollow dirge]

There was a part regarding m+ melee life in preach interview with Ion, and he said they’re aware of the problem

[limber lion]

Because on this tier it's completely fine.

M+ is a pain in the ass as a melee though most weeks.

[hollow dirge]

That’s what I meant

[limber lion]

Yep

[hollow dirge]

Raid tier, it’s fine

[limber lion]

They designed 2 new affixes

Which are basically anti-melee affixes

Both of them

Spiteful and Storming

[keen cairn]

Yeah M+ is so relaxing as lock

DK is fine ish aswell for those affixes

But generally speaking, yes.

they fucked melee in that regard

But raidwise I feel pretty comfy on range and melee

[hollow dirge]

Well , any melee can make it, it’s just unevenly hard for melee.
I’m not fucking up my keys for example, but it’s just annoying to play .

[keen cairn]

Yeah defo

unnecessary hard

creates even more downtime

[strange python]

Storming isn't really a thing.

Spiteful just needs slows

[hollow dirge]

What do you mean?

[keen cairn]

After the nerfs yeah, but before the nerfs it was horrendous as melee

[strange python]

For the most part storming is just a healer affix

[keen cairn]

wait what?

[strange python]

Most of the mobs in dungeons have much worse positional requirements

So when you hit 20+ runs you only avoid ones that won't really put you in a bad spot

[limber lion]

Well it depends on the dungeon.

Storming is a bitch in SD.

[hollow dirge]

This is quite far from truth. It may not kill you , but any large pull will create 5-6 tornadoes , in addition to , as you say , mob positional requirements. Your tank makes a wrong move,while you get hit by it and it’s done

[keen cairn]

I'd say storming fucks melee depending on dungeon/tank

[strange python]

And spiteful is only bad because it slows you down. It's not really hard. Just frustrating

[hollow dirge]

Take sanguine, storming there is super annoying

[strange python]

Most places that storming legitimately has a large impact are tight spaces.

But in those dungeons it fucks ranged too

[limber lion]

Spiteful is just an annoying affix, it probably won't kill you that's for sure.

[keen cairn]

Yep, combine that with mobs that have a frontal and it's not bueno

[strange python]

Exactly

Hence its mostly just a healer affix

[hollow dirge]

This

It’s not about it stopping you from making it, it just makes gameplay shit

[strange python]

Most times it's better to take the hit from storming than avoid it and end up in a shit spot

[keen cairn]

Spiteful in Mists

[strange python]

When I pug runs I quite often see people going out of their way to avoid stormings

They just end up getting 1 shot by mobs

Because they didn't just take the storming instead

[limber lion]

I've had people dodging storming which caused them to chainpull mobs

[strange python]

Yeah

[limber lion]

It's a positional affix and just annoying.

[strange python]

That's annoying as fuck

[limber lion]

Volcanic bis affix

Not annoying

Easy

Explosive was one of my least favorite affixes, it's a bit better now though

[strange python]

I love explosive now. I reckon it's a great affix

[hollow dirge]

Explosive is fine as it is now, volcanic is piss easy

[limber lion]

Yep, definitely a lot better now

[strange python]

Like you CANT ignore it. It will fuck you up. But it's so easy to deal with. You just actually have to.

[limber lion]

Having to use 2 Mutilates to kill one explosive was absolutely awful

[hollow dirge]

Yeah

[limber lion]

100 energy for a single explosive

And then your tank pulls big and suddenly there's 7 explosives at the same time

[hollow dirge]

Cloak vanish, wait for them to come back

😂😂

[thin trout]

do we know if we stay venthyr for 9.1? and we dont change legendarys with the given information yet right?

still doomblade/zoldyck

[limber lion]

Still no.

We are not time travelers, so we don't know what will be good and what won't in 2 months.

[thin trout]

shame, would have been nice, could become so rich

[thin trout]

what buff are we fishing for with the IQD

in the opener

[limber lion]

As a Venthyr, crit.

You need to have crit as your highest stat. If you use IQD during lust, you're guaranteed to get the highest stat and an increased duration on it.

Having crit as your highest stat and haste as your second highest is a safe bet.

[vagrant bison]

why is the 3rd necro soulbind the best for assasination? i am doing the campaign now and the 2nd soulbind looks pretty good as well

[limber lion]

Gemstone just sims higher. We like crit. More crit = more combo points = more finishers = more damage

We get a bunch of value from the Seal Fate passive when combined with gemstones

[cloud reef]

in shiv windows for 2-3 targets do you let dots fall off to envenom the target thats shived? or do you continue maintaining dots

[limber lion]

No, you still continue maintaining all dots.

You of course try to Envenom during the window if you can, because it's important for SnD up time as well.

But for example if your SnD still has 20s and your bleeds are dropping, you just reapply the bleeds

[cloud reef]

yeah i just mean if i have a choice to rupture a second target or envenom the shived one (assuming my SnD has enough up time)

[limber lion]

Rupture is the better choice if the target doesn't have a rupture or if it's about to drop off

[vagrant bison]

thanks man

[limber lion]

Rupture is more damage than an Envenom

[limber lion]

No worries buddy

[vagrant bison]

[cloud reef]

What about in an vendetta window?

[limber lion]

Are you still referring to a 3 target situation where you Vendetta your prio target?

[cloud reef]

yes

dor denny mythic p2

[limber lion]

When are you using Vendetta?

On the named add?

Like if you have Sire and the named add next to each other, you want to make sure you have garrotes and ruptures on both

[pliant apex]

shoudl i use skulkres or sins

[cloud reef]

yeah on duskhollow, but it dies so fast i dont think in need and i can dave for denny

[limber lion]

Ye, you just use Vendetta on the add asap and making sure to keep ruptures/garrotes up on both Sire and the add at all times

Then just pump Envenoms out of that

[cloud reef]

even though i only get 10 seconds of the vendetta before it dies?

[limber lion]

I mean, if you don't get full Vendetta value, then you probably shouldn't be using Vendetta on it

Are you killing every add without problems?

Like you could just very well Vendetta Sire instead if Baron dies so quick

[cloud reef]

Yeah so in that situation i wait for the cabalists to spawn, dot them and CT them (and remornia) before vendetta the boss. in that situation if Ct or Rupture will drop on remornia or the cabalist do i refresh or hit denny

[potent rune]

also if you're venthyr, vendetta your dauntless duelist target

[limber lion]

I mean if you rupture everything around you and then Vendetta the boss, it's probably pretty safe just hitting the boss for the duration

Maybe reapplying rupture/gar on remornia

I wouldn't reapply ruptures on cabalists as they die pretty quick anyways

You should definitely keep CT up though

[cloud reef]

okay thanks, just wanted to minmax

appreciate the tips

[limber lion]

Sure thing buddy.

[cloud reef]

if i had my way id be playing sub on Denny xd

[limber lion]

Maybe on reclear!

[timber basalt]

perfection 🤌

[limber lion]

[cinder cape]

Doing mythic Sludgefist prog, wondering if i could be doing anything better. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xd6Ba8jcC1vFYGPH#boss=2399&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done&source=5

[limber lion]

I'll take a look in like 5-10 mins, gonna eat something first. :p

[cinder cape]

Ty 😄

[rapid stratus]

crit/haste for zoldycks sire prog?

thats what sim shows but im not sure if vers is better as one of them in practice

[limber lion]

Yes, that's perfectly fine. Crit/Haste are generally the best stats, especially for Venthyr

Just follow your sims.

[rapid stratus]

ty i am venthyr too

wasnt sure if vers would be good for survivability etc.

[red bloom]

thinking about swapping from venthyr to necro, was wondering if I’d be close to the difference that the sims in the pins show or will it be really noticeable st in raid if my gear it’s still a wip

[limber lion]

The pins are actually quite outdated. The difference between Venthyr and Necrolord isnactually quite a bit smaller.

It's less than 100 dps in single target but quite a bit more on AoE.

[red bloom]

Ah grand then so

[limber lion]

You'll do perfectly fine as a Necro. Most of us are Necro nowadays anyways :p

[red bloom]

I’ve been venthyr for arena since I’ve really only been playing sub til I get my last couple haste pieces

[limber lion]

You should sim yourself. It's not necessarily the best choice going for just haste items.

[red bloom]

It’s a bit of feelcraft for the vers gear in arena though =p

[limber lion]

Alright, I'm taking a look now

@cinder cape

1. You should be using Shiv before using Vanish, not during it. You generally only want to use Mutilates/Envenoms during the 3s Master Assassin window. You generally do this, but on some pulls you used Shiv after Vanish on the opener. You also should be using Shiv asap on the opener, so you have it ready for the first pillar.

2. You should be using cooldowns on the opener, 2nd pillar and 4th pillar. On your best pull you actually used your CD's before the 4th pillar. This is not very ideal, as you miss out on the vulnerability completely. It's much better to stall your cooldowns for 10-15s and use them on the pillar instead of using them right away as you lust. The lust lasts for 40s, so it will still be up when Sludgefist hits the pillar.

3. You should be using Shiv as your first GCD during pillars. You want to get the whole 9s of Shiv inside the pillar window to maximize all nature damage done during the window. This means using Shiv twice in the opener, once during pillars and once between pillars. You need to hold your Shiv casts before pillars, or they won't be ready for the pillar. Just remember: twice in the opener, then once between and one on pillars.

4. You let your Rupture drop a few times. This is probably because you're trying to pool energy for the pillar and the rupture is not in pandemic range, so you think that you can't reapply it. This fight is an exception. You should reapply Rupture, even if it means doing it too early. You do not in any circumstance want to have your Rupture drop during the pillars or have to reapply it during the pillars. You should go into the vulnerability phases with all bleeds up and leave the vulnerability phase 12s later with all bleeds still up. Make sure to have at least 15s of both bleeds up before he hits the pillar.

I've attached a picture of your cooldown usage during the 4th pillar. As you can see, you used Shiv very late (last gcd) and you didn't use your major cooldowns at all (Vanish, Vendetta, Potion). Make sure to save your major cooldowns for the last pillar with lust and make sure to use Shiv as your first few gcd's so you get maximum value out of it.

Here is an example of a well-executed pillar 4. Trinket/Vendetta/Flag are all used before the pillar, Shiv is used the same second Sludge hits the pillar. After that it's nothing but Envenoms and Mutilates (and SBS as a Necrolord)

[cinder cape]

Thank you so much! ❤️

[limber lion]

No worries!

[radiant fossil]

god damn that will help me too in this fight

@limber lion

[limber lion]

Glad to hear it! Have fun pumping!

[final star]

Sbs opener too

This assumes EP/Vigor

[limber lion]

You do not want to use a potion on the opener.

[final star]

Oh yeah ofc on sludge

[limber lion]

Also you'd want to use Vendetta earlier.

[final star]

Probably move it to the garrote cast

Or even the first mut

For pillar timing

[limber lion]

His opener is honestly fine, except for the Shiv cast.

[mossy flicker]

Hey guys !

I had a quick question about sin in m+, do we get SnD up in AoE ?

[limber lion]

Yes.

You want to apply it in the first pack that you do and try to maintain it throughout the whole dungeon with Envenom. Ideally you only cast it only once during the whole dungeon.

Sometimes you might have long distances, so it's better to save up combo points from a previous pack and use those to get an SnD rolling before the next pack.

[mossy flicker]

I feel like a never use envenom on packs

[final star]

Just make sure to use it if snd is gonna fall off

[limber lion]

That's a common feeling, but you do want to use Envenom to make sure SnD is up. A 5-CP Envenom extends it by 15s.

[mossy flicker]

Too much things to do with applying garr in stealth, CT, rupture on 3-4 targets, Sbs

[final star]

Welcome to assassination

In m+

[limber lion]

So one Envenom every 12-15s should be pretty plausible.

[mossy flicker]

Ye I think so I should just pay more attention to it

As long as I remember sin was boring with 2 bleeds and weap poison, but now we have so much to do

[quaint carbon]

t

[strong saffron]

so i have a question , sim says that versa is better than cryt, and i have few rings that im trying to figure out which one is best

[limber lion]

Okay

[strong saffron]

can i give you ring names and i tell me which one is best?

you*

[limber lion]

I think you should just sim the rings yourself using Top Gear and then use what the sims says.

Don't sim Stat Weights, it's very inaccurate for what it's worth.

[strong saffron]

doesnt top gear include stat weight ?

[limber lion]

They are 2 different simming methods, here I'll take a picture

Here, in Raidbots.com, you can see on the top left the "Top Gear" option and on the bottom right the "Stat Weights" option.

Use the Top Gear option to find out what gear pieces are best for you

[strong saffron]

ok thanks Ceverion

[limber lion]

I just did a top gear sim for myself and it came out looking like this

This tells me that I have a ring combination that is a +4 dps increase for me!

This way I don't have to start guessing which ring would be better and which would be worst.

[limber lion]

No problem mate.

[gusty mirage]

SMH losing out on 4 dps

[limber lion]

[quaint carbon]

[uneven plume]

Are they ever gonna release rogue class tuning ?

I feel like they did every class but rogue

Lmfaooo

[shy dust]

Which rogue spec needs tuning

[uneven plume]

All of them

Rogue in general

[limber lion]

Huh?

I mean, Sub is getting pretty massive buffs

Assassination and Outlaw are in good spots

[uneven plume]

You know when you are scrolling through wow news

[shy dust]

Assa is one of the best st and cleave specs in the game

[uneven plume]

And you see class changes

[limber lion]

Ye, I think we're doing just fine

[shy dust]

Outlaw is a strong aoe spec in its target count and does st fine

Sub got massive buffs in ptr

[uneven plume]

It’s exciting

[limber lion]

That's because they need the spec tuning

We don't

[frail fossil]

assa really need a buff bro it's such a bad spec rn what a bummer

[stoic needle]

I think we could use a 5% aura buff

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

did assasination's playstyle speed up a bit as in having less energy issues and downtime? I remember seeing assa at the bottom of apm charts but on the shadowlands ones it seems to be slightly above middle of the pack

[limber lion]

Assassination is still relatively low apm.

[limber lion]

Still close to the bottom.

[strange python]

That's what I thought and what's keeping me from playing it but it seems to be placed above unholy on everything except single target where it lands like 1 spot below

hmm looks different from the one I saw

[limber lion]

This is incorrect, Assassination wins in single target.

[limber lion]

Which one is this?

[strange python]

bloodmallet, single target

[limber lion]

Don't look at bloodmallet.

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html

Look at the actual website.

[strange python]

ah thanks that's what I was looking for

so assa has less downtime than unholy on single target and more in m+ and hectic add cleave?

[limber lion]

No, Assassination has more downtime on ST.

Can't say which has less, but I would probably argue that Assassination.

[strange python]

ah yeah that's what the chart showed me

[limber lion]

Assa speeds up quite a bit when you add more targets.

[limber lion]

The chart shows the APM. Higher APM = Lower downtime.

The more time you spend pressing buttons, the less time you spend not pressing buttons.

[strange python]

yeah I meant that on the chart assa was slightly below unholy on single target, so more downtime

[limber lion]

Ah yep.

[nimble tartan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816412558616952862/840408512185892934/58q98g.gif

[limber lion]

He actually made a fucking gif about it

[noble aspen]

hi everyone 🙂 new rogue just hanging out read the stuff

[balmy condor]

hi!

[limber lion]

Welcome!

[balmy condor]

[noble aspen]

❤️

[alpine latch]

Well, my parses sucked last night

But I was 80%+ item level parse on every fight but 1

[noble aspen]

what cov are you

[final star]

Well what's your ilvl

Cos it's hard to parse when you're like 220

When everyone else is 227+

[north basin]

sylvanas have only sub potency conduit. does it mean sub will be bis in 9.1?) coz blizzard tend to put bis stuff in the last boss xDD

[final star]

[shy dust]

No

[balmy condor]

[alpine latch]

I hit 206 item level in raid

And I'm Necro

[final star]

Conduits will not make up for that dumpster fire

[balmy condor]

206 cant parse lmao

[shy dust]

dont look at your parse

[final star]

206 won't parse

Just kill boss

[shy dust]

post a log and get someone to review it

[alpine latch]

I got 30s across the board

[shy dust]

its much more important to see if youre playing the spec well

[alpine latch]

Smashed item level though

[shy dust]

instead of what your parse is

[limber lion]

That doesn't honestly mean anything.

[final star]

Ilvl parse bad

Can artificially lower ilvl and still parse

[alpine latch]

I hit 600 DPS less than my 217 warlock did on mythic Huntsman

That made me fucking sad..

I'm such a bad lock, lol

[final star]

Does that mean you play warlock badly

[alpine latch]

Yeah, i'm a shit lock

[shy dust]

warlock is nuts for huntsman

assa is too

but you have 10 less ilvl

[alpine latch]

I did 5400 on Huntsman

My best pull on my lock was like 6032 or something

[final star]

I did 8.8k on huntsman at 225

[placid dawn]

can we shadowstep all knockbacks on sire p3?

[final star]

Cos everything lined up perfectly

And I still played it incredibly badly at parts

Just focus on being not bad at class

Before looking at parse

[alpine latch]

Oh, I'm sure I did awful

I haven't looked at my logs yet

[north basin]

browsed through new trinkets in 9.1 nothing looks appealing, was hoping for some capacitor style gameplay changing stuff (

[faint harness]

the KT one looks cool

like coral but with big hit

[wispy hazel]

I’ve been seeing people running dashing scroundrel in my raids, is it better than doom blade?

[stoic needle]

No

[iron orchid]

HEY

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

Hi

[iron orchid]

I've been waiting for an answer

all day

how was raid testing

[stoic needle]

[iron orchid]

bro

[stoic needle]

Oh

I didn't do the stuff yesterday

[iron orchid]

OH

Sad

[stoic needle]

My raid didn't do it and I didn't feel like pugging

[iron orchid]

I could have got you in my group

[stoic needle]

[iron orchid]

Anyways

[stoic needle]

I should've asked

If there's mythic testing I'll hit you up

[iron orchid]

those were just a lot of CT-friendly bosses

[north basin]

well ye only kelthusad trinket looks somewhat good. but it sadly wont be affected by our vendetta or shadowdance etc.

[iron orchid]

at least it felt so

[stoic needle]

Yeah they seem like it

With as bad as PB is I wouldn't be suprised if we just run ct

[iron orchid]

For now, I'd go CT on all bosses except the two we tested on the first day

tarragrue and keeper of the first ones

those are the only pure-ST fights

[teal bloom]

Pls buff poison bomb :(

[iron orchid]

All of yesterday's fights were pretty fun as sin

[limber lion]

I haven't tested any of the bosses

Would be pretty fun

[iron orchid]

I think we fit very well on certain fights

many 2 target situations or more, where you cannot pack all adds

[stoic needle]

Maybe ct over pb for eotj because of how much you have to move the eyes

[faint harness]

which fight yday had 2 target situations

you will just grip the adds

and stack them

[iron orchid]

That's probably due to my small group size indeed

[shy dust]

i cant really think of any boss

youd want ct on

[iron orchid]

I think most of those situations are supposed to be handled by casters

[shy dust]

maybe hellscream boss

if you need the add damage

[faint harness]

i tested 2 last fights last night and they were mostly st with some burst aoe involved

[shy dust]

you missed first boss?

[faint harness]

yea

[shy dust]

it was basically all st

[faint harness]

i was doing RL stuff

[shy dust]

with add wave during intermission

but you would not spec for ct on that fight

[faint harness]

i mean if ct is barely a loss on st

why not?

[iron orchid]

Those were my thoughts too

[faint harness]

the orb boss its prob pointless tho

[limber lion]

It's an extra button to press.

[shy dust]

i dont know if its barely a loss

isnt it still like 70 dps

[iron orchid]

but I think aoe bursting casters would actually do much better than us for the add waves

[stoic needle]

Well for certain covenants not pressing CT on st isnt a loss

[shy dust]

and the add waves just get nuked

by the actual aoe classes

[stoic needle]

Ct vs pb is usually close when execute is involved

[north basin]

i just hope echo and limit take 2+ rogues on prog, so we will be back in the meta xD

[faint harness]

i dont really care what echo and limit does

[north basin]

public perception xD

[iron orchid]

I didn't get the point of the whole Remnant of ner'zhul fight tho

[faint harness]

yea but the people that get influenced by that are not someone i want to play with anyway

[iron orchid]

the orb mechanic is quite boring as a melee dps

[north basin]

sometimes u have no choices xD

[stoic needle]

Sure you do

[faint harness]

you can do huge crits on them

thats all i know

melee obviously wont carry orbs

[north basin]

people like to blindly copy top guild setups. well its justified for top. but when 3k guild doing same XD

[faint harness]

thats a mage job

[iron orchid]

I set up all DoTs, waited for the debuff to pop, watched dps grow

[stoic needle]

There are plenty of good guilds that don't blindly meta follow

At all levels of progression

You'd have to be actually brain damaged to not want a good parsing assassination rogue right now

Especially if you don't have any rogues

[faint harness]

its a good time to be a rogue atm

lots of ppl rolled off it

and suddenly ppl want it again

[limber lion]

Yep.

[north basin]

ye right now assa do massive ST damage XD

[stoic needle]

If things continue on their current trajectory there will be room for all 3 rogue specs in raids

[faint harness]

dream scenario

so its unlikely to actually happen

would be a miracle

[shy dust]

assa will be brought

[faint harness]

still havent played a fight where i feel like outlaw will be op

[shy dust]

kt outlaw seems fine

if the adds are good to die

[faint harness]

depends on what you do on kt

[shy dust]

have to die*

but i feel like rogue job will most likely

[stoic needle]

I don't mean all of them at once but like if you are an otp of whatever spec you should he able to find a guild

[shy dust]

be to be on the add

[faint harness]

i will prob be remnant dps

[shy dust]

ye

exactly

[north basin]

lets see blizzard swing on balance

preparing for any outcome. even sub being top st xD

[faint harness]

i think they will be similar for potential output

and assa easier to pull off

[stoic needle]

I'm excited for that possibility

[steep reef]

hello and good morning #assassination !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[limber lion]

Sup

[lucid inlet]

Hello!

[balmy condor]

hi

[slow marsh]

The better sub is the better our chances of being played less again which means more buffs

[lucid inlet]

I'm a new sin rogue. I played a lot of feral back in the day and really dig the dot playstyle. I read the pins but I wanted some clarification: How many targets do we keep garrote up on and at what size pack do we stop rupturing in favor of just spamming FOK and CT?

[limber lion]

No thank you. I'll gladly stay where we are now

[limber lion]

You never spam CT. You want to rupture as many targets as possible.

You never stop applying Ruptures. You apply it to everything around you that lives the duration

Of course it's not worth it applying it to mobs that live for 3s

[slow marsh]

Actually true any more buffs and we will be op and then get nerfed which is worse....

[lucid inlet]

@limber lion Awesome! What about garrote? Still keep it up on everyone regardless?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lucid inlet]

Gotcha. That clears it up. I'm pretty happy with the AOE I'm doing at my iLvl. The ST has been a mixed bag as I get more accustomed to CD use and comofrtability.

[balmy condor]

st is usually easier

so if you're doing good aoe

you're hard chilling

[noble aspen]

going to mainly be doing m+ as outlaw for fortified, sin as tyrannical... should i go necro or venth?

and possibly raiding next tier this is a next tier question..

[balmy condor]

necro just because necro sin is very close to venth in single target, does better in aoe, and venth outlaw is trash

[lucid inlet]

I use night fae. I assume I'm wrong.

[balmy condor]

fae is fine

not really great anywhere

[limber lion]

As long as you don't play Kyrian

[balmy condor]

but it does aight

[lucid inlet]

Well that's good enough.

What is the vamp ability anyway?

[limber lion]

Flagellation

[balmy condor]

it's pretty much sepsis but better

[lucid inlet]

Yeah I'm not good enough to learn another CD rn. Takes my boomer brain a long time.

[balmy condor]

usage is almost identical

[lucid inlet]

Hrm. I'll look in to it then.

[versed mica]

I think I now know why my parses are way lower than they were in BFA

My casual guild takes longer to kill bosses this expack 🤣

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Because no rng corruption

[dull cloak]

shots fired

[versed mica]

lmao bruh

I was expedient stacking with one piece with that one haste proc

and in palace I played outlaw and got 99 parses

[subtle tundra]

how much lower though

[versed mica]

Usually I was in the 80-90 range on average, nowadays even with talent swapping and hardcore guide reading, I only tend to do 65-80

so it's not like I'm TERRIBLE, but def not as high as I used to be

[spice spire]

did you turn 25 or older?

if so you got hit with boomer syndrome, pack it up

[limber lion]

Worked the other way around for me.

Turned 25, never been better.

[spice spire]

Some people are just built different, cev.

I'm INFINITELY worse than I used to be. It could also be that mechanics are more complex and aren't as simple to work artound

[limber lion]

Yeah maybe. Or just that nowadays you probably don't have as much time to play so you just get worse just by not playing 10 hours a day

[shy dust]

Half life

[hollow escarp]

I hope you guys are memeing

[limber lion]

[shy dust]

Soon you won’t be even able to play sub or outlaw

As the apm continues to slow with age

Playing assa will just be a dream

As arcane lives on

[limber lion]

That's the point when I'd just quit playing altogether.

[hollow escarp]

I'm 28 and I parse purple, you have no excuses zoomers

[thin trout]

i feel like theres so much downtime for sin compared to outlaw =[

[limber lion]

There definitely is.

They are very different specs.

[thin trout]

defiantely have to play alot more around waiting into proper Shiv into envenoms and stuff

whilst outlaw is YOLO PRESS BUTTONZ

[limber lion]

Ye. Outlaw is all about those glowy buttons

Glowy button? Press.

[shy dust]

@limber lion this will be you in a few years

Content with purple

It’s a painful transition

[hollow escarp]

lol

[shy dust]

[thin trout]

so is denathrius the onyl fight we really use the execute legendary?

[limber lion]

Okay this got me fucked up

[thin trout]

maybe council too?

[limber lion]

SLG as well, if you get to play Assassination on it

Council isn't the best.

[thin trout]

oh yeah SLG sounds good

[silent fossil]

im 27 washed up, hard to get oranges for me now even though i was a top player in MoP

[hollow escarp]

if you hero when 2nd boss dies, you don't wanna play zoldyck on Council

[limber lion]

You shouldn't play Zoldyck on Council whatsoever tbh

[shy dust]

I don’t know why’d you ever play zoldyck on it

No place to take advantage of an execute

[hollow escarp]

ohh, when I say I parse purple at 28 I meant that I haven't reached my peak yet, you can check my name on first page WCL in 2 years when I hit 30

[thin trout]

yeah now that I think of it council doesnt make sense

[silent fossil]

ah yes ofc

[spice spire]

The ANCIENT W

Same luna

Throne was my jam

[silent fossil]

i raided with supermassive / whatever were awesome in mop and peaked

been downhill since

most of my guild is actually old supermassive members / fnf that are all just too busy to raid like that anymore. we're just 2 nights a week now

[uncut echo]

If we take Crimson tempest, do we use in ST on bosses in keys or forget about it

[lucid inlet]

I do /shrug. As long as it doesn't interfere with a needed dot refresher.

[uncut echo]

litty titty, ty

[silent fossil]

CT on ST outside of shiv windows

[uncut echo]

copy copy

i figured not during shiv windows

[limber lion]

It's not a huge gain, so you don't really have to if you don't want.

Even Ryfie, who's the #1 ranked Assassination rogue, doesn't press it on bosses.

[lucid inlet]

I literally do not know what a shiv window is. I have a lot to learn.

[limber lion]

When you use Shiv, it applies a 9s debuff on the enemy

[shy dust]

What was

[lucid inlet]

OH

[shy dust]

The difference between using it or not

[limber lion]

That 9s debuff window is the Shiv Window.

[lucid inlet]

That checks out.

[shy dust]

I remember someone posted a sim about it

[lucid inlet]

Thanks (sorry for the ignorance)

[balmy condor]

it's like 30 dps

[gusty mirage]

another 18 done as assassination

are you proud of me yet? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

no

[limber lion]

No worries buddy, we're all here to learn

[balmy condor]

I'm coming for your raid spot

[gusty mirage]

bro

just TAKE it

[limber lion]

One step at a time. Always ahead in M+ and now he's even going for your raid spot

[gusty mirage]

but on a real note, if things don't work out for the guild you're trialing with I can get you in my guild. They're kinda derpy but there's a solid core of players

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Oxi just wants to quit raiding

So he wants you to fill his spot

[balmy condor]

oxi wants to get stepped on

[limber lion]

Oxi is a kinky one

[gusty mirage]

I just want another rogue so I can want to try to do better 😦

[limber lion]

Ngl, I hate OT whenever there's some major e-sport tournament going on.

[limber lion]

I would love to raid with a second rogue. It's always really motivating playing with someone else and working together to get most out of the fights

Just having a cute friendly rivalry is fun

[silent fossil]

maybe rogue will be good enough at some point this tier to have more than 1 in a raid and it not feel like youre inting

or expac even

[shy dust]

Well

You can

And some teams near the top ten did

BDGG ran 2 sub rogues on council

[limber lion]

Maybe. We might need to get some raid buffs for it to make sense. But you definitely can.

[shy dust]

If you have two great rogues you can bring them and be fine

[silent fossil]

ofc you can, but then again you could just be a DK and do more damage and have a grip and amz

[shy dust]

And?

[limber lion]

Yeh you can honestly bring whoever, it's not like you need the most optimal comp in a top 900 guild

lol

[shy dust]

You can bring rogues

It’s not going to be a large difference maker

Especially when most people aren’t competing at a level where comp matters that much

[limber lion]

And quite a few guilds just play with whatever they have.

They rarely have much to choose from, especially if they're not enforcing alts.

[frail fossil]

u would not refuse a god gamer like cev no matter the spec

like if u're really good u'll get in raids

[silent fossil]

we're a 2 day guild that brings the player over the class but people just chose to play more fotm (not saying more than 1 rogue would NOT work) https://i.imgur.com/HufnEMK.png

my main point is most people that arent die hard rogues arent gonna pick it over a dk or boomy or some shit

[frail fossil]

i mean frankly just a lot of thsoe class are straight up very popular

[frail fossil]

depends of both player skills

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iDg83RJ1idbXFc8HWRKfrr

[frail fossil]

there's a limit to how much a spec can carry a player

and rogue isn't competing their spots with boomies so that's not a relevant comparison

[silent fossil]

if my rogue didnt have every qol feature from every cmode set with teleports to every continent and zone in the game on demand with tmog sets from every raid i wouldnt be playing it probably. ive just mained it since vanilla

[frail fossil]

how is ur gear so bad and u pump that much

[gusty mirage]

226 ilvl "how is ur gear so bad"

huh

[limber lion]

Padding is an art form

[frail fossil]

compared to the other top assa rogue in WCL his gear is def worse

i wrote ass rogue by mistake

[gusty mirage]

because cev's a god damn legend

[frail fossil]

imagine cev with 233 items

his power cannot be contained

[gusty mirage]

that's why the loot gods hate him

he'll be too powerful otherwise

[limber lion]

Yeah, I was at 225 for the longest time. I only got to 226 2 weeks ago when I got the cape.

[frail fossil]

still with a 220 weapon that's a sadge

[limber lion]

Rocking a 220 weapon 6 months in to the tier

It's okay, I'll get a 233 weapon from the weekly vault next week

On god.

Also, you guys flatter me too much @gusty mirage @frail fossil

[frail fossil]

yeah ok so now u can stop being mean to me in ot pls ty

[gusty mirage]

no

[frail fossil]

jk

[gusty mirage]

that's not how this works

[limber lion]

I'll stop, it's fine.

I just want to be like the kool kidz

[frail fossil]

nah i'm joking bro dw

[limber lion]

And everyone seems to be flaming you

So that has to be the cool thing

Also

I've never gotten so many reactions in any of my posts before

Getting clout by flaming

[frail fossil]

CT is impacted by dashing ?

[balmy condor]

but making fun of flower is the best

CT is impacted by dashing because dashing make envenom better and envenom better make CT worse

[steep reef]

hi whispyr my sweet community figure how are u today

[frail fossil]

remember the first time i went there during sl beta and i said assa would be fine they scaled

it is all just karma for this since

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't have remembered if you didn't say anything

[frail fossil]

[frail fossil]

i meant the crit gives u energy part

i assume it doesn't affect CT right, like VW

[balmy condor]

crit works on env

but CT isn't VW

it's its own thing

[frail fossil]

oh it only says ur poison so bleeds dont even count

sry i cant read apparently

[balmy condor]

fucking french

[frail fossil]

aiming low

[limber lion]

Maybe you should spend more time in school and less time in WoW

Fuck sorry, I forgot.

[balmy condor]

oui.

[limber lion]

@balmy condor How many iterations do epic users get?

[balmy condor]

like a bajillion

[limber lion]

fak

[frail fossil]

still dont have raidbot prenium

how much is it

[limber lion]

I have the rare one, it's 5 bucks

[potent rune]

it also takes forever to finish a sim too though

my cpu isnt that bad either

[limber lion]

Yup, Epic is much faster and has triple the iterations (afaik) for double the price.

[balmy condor]

???

who is simming locally anymore

with raidbots existing

[potent rune]

dunno on raidbots it says uses 4x the cpu power

[limber lion]

[faint harness]

https://tenor.com/view/cloud-smile-gif-10658444

[balmy condor]

you realize raidbots runs sims on their servers right

it doesn't matter what you have

that's the whole point?

[potent rune]

nope im dumb

[balmy condor]

understandable

[potent rune]

learned something new

[limber lion]

Like you can start the sim

And close your browser

And computer

And open it up the next day

And it'll be ready

[timber basalt]

how would you open it up though

[limber lion]

You don't have to sit there looking at it and giving it your spirit energy

[timber basalt]

if you closed your browser

[silent fossil]

it has a history feature

[timber basalt]

oh, that is pretty pog

i don't have a raidbots account though, so didn't know

[potent rune]

i used to use simcraft in legion this is the 1st xpac im using raidbots and never played in bfa

[limber lion]

God, simming GV upgrades must be a terrible experience

[potent rune]

simulationcraft*

[timber basalt]

not picking your gv based on missing transmog

[balmy condor]

raidbots is simulationcraft

just in the cloud

with a pretty interface

[potent rune]

yea but i mean i used to run it back in legion and not on the site

[balmy condor]

ye

[faint harness]

raidbots made simcraft available to more ppl

made it a casual thing

[limber lion]

Top Gear is a god-send

[stoic needle]

imagine not having raidbots premium

[frail fossil]

[stoic needle]

in 2021

[limber lion]

Droptimizer is huge as well.

Everything's just there, laid right in front of you. Basically don't need to do anything else but paste your profile

[frail fossil]

i'm prolly gonna get it soontm

[potent rune]

thottbot and AskMrRobot back in the days

[limber lion]

Gonna go ask mommy for some allowance?

[frail fossil]

[balmy condor]

askmrrobot is such dogshit tho

[potent rune]

yep

[stoic needle]

just yoink the cc when she aint lookin

[limber lion]

You're fucking Speedy Gonzales when it comes to replying and reacting to stuff, gotta give it to ya

[frail fossil]

i'm an honest son

[faint harness]

did anyone use askmrrobot

[stoic needle]

its such a pain trying to do sims without raidbots premium

[frail fossil]

it is because i have nothing else to do ngl

[balmy condor]

too many people

[frail fossil]

any 5 raidbot windows simmer

[faint harness]

scamservice

[stoic needle]

well the problem is u cant do gear and gems at the same time without prem

[faint harness]

pretending to model their simulations based on real encounters

[stoic needle]

and gems/enchants may change the gear recommendations

[frail fossil]

yeah that's usually a pain for me

[potent rune]

wasnt there also an addon that auto reforge stats on gear for people?

[limber lion]

Sounds awful

[potent rune]

i fell into every trap sadly

[limber lion]

Hey you live and learn

We all make mistakes, some more than others

[potent rune]

more like live and didnt learn much lol

is there an optimal way to use dreadfire trinket? do we macro it with flag? same cd 1.5min

[limber lion]

There is an optimal way to use dreadfire

by using it on cooldown

I mean, you can macro it with Flag if you want to get rid of a bind.

It doesn't really matter, as long as you press Flag on cooldown as well then

[frail fossil]

would always recommend getting a bind for it tbf

cuz u never know

[limber lion]

Yeh, I'm not a big fan of macroing anything together tbh

[frail fossil]

and lets be honest, assa doesn't have a lot of binds

[limber lion]

I have a separate bind for everything

[potent rune]

its off the gcd right?

[frail fossil]

yes

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[potent rune]

so would binding it with mut or fan be ok?

[silent fossil]

i mean yea but what if it goes off on a mob with like 3% life or something

[potent rune]

true

[frail fossil]

just make it's own bind

[potent rune]

ty appreciate the insight

[limber lion]

There are some instances where you want to hold it

Like Sludgefist

[potent rune]

maybe a alt or shift modifier

[frail fossil]

like i would almost never advise to macro trinket to abilities

assa doesn't have a lot of binds u should find one

[orchid valley]

not all of us have more than 5 fingers per hand xd

[frail fossil]

if u lack bind as assa u're def doing something wrong

[limber lion]

I mean if you slice your keyboard in half on the 5tbg line, and let's say you use WASD to move and Shift/Alt modifiers

You would have 54 free keybinds - just by using the keys literally next to your movement keys.

[silent fossil]

https://i.imgur.com/jazEoQ4.png if u want some inspiration. everyone does binds dif but maybe could help.

[limber lion]

And that's not counting shift/alt + WASD

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
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[steel geyser]

Or mouse keybinds

[potent rune]

my binding are completely different, i use an mmo mouse (12 side buttons on mouse) and use alt/shift modifiers for basically 36 bindings

[delicate smelt]

what you prefer Hateful chain or IQD? They sim almost same for me.

For raiding only

[limber lion]

If they sim the same, then you should probably run chain. It's more consistent.

What % are you simming your IQD as?

[delicate smelt]

Deafult - 100%

default*

[limber lion]

Yeh, definitely run the chain then.

One less bind to press as well

[delicate smelt]

I thought, that IQD will be no brainer for Assa

Shadowgrasp totem sims better than Hatefull

[limber lion]

I mean Hateful Chain is a no-brainer, because it's a passive trinket and you never have to press it or think about it.

[delicate smelt]

around 40dps gain

[limber lion]

Then you should use Shadowgrasp Totem instead.

[stoic needle]

Iqd is amazing

[limber lion]

It's not thaaat great for Necrolord.

[delicate smelt]

i am Venthyr btw

[limber lion]

Okay, then here's what you have to do

You have to sim yourself again

And you have to sim crit gems/enchants

You need to have critical strike as your highest stat when using IQD as a Venthyr

[stoic needle]

It's ~3rd best for necrolord I'd still call that pretty damn good

[delicate smelt]

oook 🙂

will try that

[limber lion]

I mean, I don't know if I'd call that "amazing". My 220 IQD loses to my 226 chain + memory combo

Whereas for Venthyr it was beating both easily.

[stoic needle]

well yes lower ilvl trinkets should lose to higher ilvl ones lol

[limber lion]

Yes

But it doesn't for Venthyr