assassination

[balmy condor]

Yeh sure

That’s fine then

[sturdy merlin]

Finally i won’t be denied from ToP groups necause i’m not necro

[thorny pond]

Big brain +27 shit there

[balmy condor]

You’ll just be denied for being sin instead

[sturdy merlin]

Yeah i already got kicked from some groups because sin but i still managed to reach 2350io with sin so people are « « « a bit more » » » comprehensive

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[thorny pond]

Must suck getting denied by kids with 1k io for a 15 top when your io is over double

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s not outlaw bro

[nimble tartan]

*door shadow into chat

🕴️ 🕴️

sin in keys must be fun on bosses

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/shoo-go-away-johnny-depp-captain-jack-sparrow-gif-4877675

[compact pumice]

If you go 17+ and not care about anything other than IO then you're mostly fine.

If you start a 15 and don't care a bit about IO, ilevel and gear you might do a run where the healer dies 8 times and the DPS are literally half of what you are doing. As long as the tank lives you can often still time it though but it's sometimes way harder than timing a 19

The breakpoint is just so huge for those runs for some reason

But denying a 2k rated player for a 15 is just trolling though

[polar cape]

Just go venthyr and spam hall ez invite XD

[minor anchor]

Anyone have suggestions for M SLG?

[nimble tartan]

pump goliath

[limber lion]

Keep Garrote/Rupture on the boss and the Goliath at all times, use SBS/CT on the skirmishers. You can use some ruptures on the skirmishers as well if you know they will live for longer than 5 seconds, but that's usually later on in the fight. It's not really worth it on the first set when everyone's blowing their cd's.

[minor anchor]

Is it worth going Necrolords for SLG?

[limber lion]

Yes. It's the best fight for Necrolords.

[alpine latch]

You think it's worth swapping covs for one fight?

[shy dust]

It’s honestly probably the best for sire and slg

[stoic needle]

hell yeah

[limber lion]

I don't think swapping covenants is that big of a deal, especially if you're just starting progression on a fight now. These are the 2 hardest fights in the raid and you will be spending weeks there, so it's well worth it.

You can swap back after killing Sire if you want, it's not that bad.

[sturdy merlin]

9.1 heirmir looks good for both raiding progress and m+, what do you guys think ?

[limber lion]

Definitely. Just don't get too hyped about it, anything and everything can change.

[stoic needle]

that mastery trait doe

[thorny pond]

Mastery

[trail thunder]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[orchid valley]

new to class, is necro > venth as soon as there's a second target?

[stoic needle]

yes

[orchid valley]

huh ok

so on every fight except shriek and sludge necro is the move

got it

thx

[royal lantern]

i mean, if you somehow able too change covenant ability bettwen fights, yeha it is

[orchid valley]

i mean ive been playing venth for like 4 days

not committed

are more people venthyr on stuff like sire because the p3 st damage matters more?

[stoic needle]

necro is better on sire because sbs is bugged

the named adds and remornia don't drop their spikes when they 'die' or the phase changes

so you get 5cp from every sbs for a large portion of the fight

[orchid valley]

ok well thats sweet then

ty for help homies

[limber falcon]

Yooooo do you guys know if numbing poison and curse of weakness stack for the atk speed decrease on raid bosses?

[shy dust]

yes

[nimble tartan]

*door shadow into #assassination

🕴️ 🕴️

yes they stack!!! should be pinned!

[limber lion]

[signal acorn]

Hey all.
Every guide that i found so far tells me that haste is the best simming stat on assassa. But atm my Rogue has 19% haste and 30%crit and the sim still recommends me to use crit sockets on st sims. Any with an explanation, or maybe a link that explains assassa stats in depths

[limber lion]

Well first of all, secondaries don't really matter that much. There's a thing about it in the pins.

You should just use Top Gear to sim yourself and follow the gearing choices there. Don't sim Stat Weights.

[signal acorn]

Ty for the fast answer

[thorny pond]

Pin this over everything else. Nobody will read it but still

[balmy condor]

just pin everything

that has ever been said

[orchid valley]

amoogus

[limber lion]

pin this

[orchid valley]

officially necro gang

[nimble tartan]

*applies numbing poison

[gusty mirage]

I'm convinced that every person that comes in here asking is secretly sent by omr

[limber lion]

Wouldn't surprise me

Also hi

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

[final star]

Rumour has it if u say omr three times into a mirror he appears behind you and reads the noxxic page to you

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

necro gang gang

finally got the zg daggers i've been farming for them for weeks

[gusty mirage]

imagine not having a third arm growing out of your shoulder

smh

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

I'd rock it if blizz made it throw SBS

[limber lion]

Good shit, I've been running Blades of Hakkari for 3 years now as well

[stoic needle]

i just love stuff that sheaths on your back

[limber lion]

I despise the teeny tiny daggers

I love swords

And those are the closest to proper swords

[gusty mirage]

Cev's a pocket outlaw

[stoic needle]

if you could put a weapon in the 3rd arm i would absolutely rock it

[limber lion]

And as a bonus they sheath on your back

[gusty mirage]

lmao imagine

[stoic needle]

that would be 10/10

[gusty mirage]

easily best mog in the game

[limber lion]

That's the only reason you'd want to play Outlaw. For the sick tmogs.

[stoic needle]

what a missed opportunity

[gusty mirage]

can't mog a sword into a broken beer bottle

[limber lion]

Yeah, that would be sick but I don't think they have the technology. It took them 10+ years to finally separate shoulders

[nimble tartan]

*door shadow into #assassination

🕴️ 🕴️

u better apply some mind numbing poison

[steep reef]

hello guys im here does mind numbing stack with curse of tongues

[balmy condor]

I hate everyone

[frosty bridge]

200k crit on PTR on the orb thing lmfao

It takes increased damage but still good fun

[steep reef]

whispyr do u wanna talk

[balmy condor]

I mean, what I want is for omr and goons to stop asking if it stacks

but I feel like that's not going to happen

[steep reef]

oh okay ty for clarifying i hope you have a better day 🙂

[nimble tartan]

i never asked that one time

[balmy condor]

omr I actually despise you

[nimble tartan]

actually i did ask that once like months ago cause i didnt know

[stoic needle]

omr is a treasure

[nimble tartan]

i read every line u write in a cute lil asmr whisper voice <3

[stoic needle]

stop being toxic whyspr

[balmy condor]

opinion received osh thanks for informing me of your thoughts

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

!mute @stoic needle

[upbeat needle]

What do I craft zoldycks on? Hands or Feet?

[gusty mirage]

f

[balmy condor]

zold is legs

[upbeat needle]

which tenets?

[balmy condor]

haste crit usually

[upbeat needle]

bet

[thorny pond]

Was that a language? Damn Whispyr. Earning that green name

[balmy condor]

what?

[gusty mirage]

the mastery stacking is rotting your brain

[stoic needle]

you can't mute a mastery chad

the universe won't allow it

[balmy condor]

would you like to test that theory

[gusty mirage]

I would very much appreciate this theory put to the test

[thorny pond]

I have mastery of sin, yes

[stoic needle]

if you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine

[steep reef]

[thorny pond]

You have like 2 followers. Every good cult starts somewhere

[steep reef]

this guy trying some science

[stoic needle]

[cobalt comet]

every single fight in sanctum of domination seems riddled with adds and I hate this

[balmy condor]

weren't the first 2 fights they tested completely single target

[stoic needle]

Every fight except tarragrue and the guardian of the first ones has adds

[nimble tartan]

like a phoenix everytime i am struck down i rise brighter and stronger

my flame never to be doused

[mortal remnant]

whats assassinations opener? cant seem to see it in the pins

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

^ they're listed there

[mortal remnant]

ahh perfect

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[steep reef]

whispyr how are you today

[civic trellis]

Hi.

The first rupture has to be of +5 cp always (with ds)?

I see raidbots applying the first rupture with 4 cp sometimes

[balmy condor]

nah, it's fine to rupture just to get it up in your opener

[hazy ruin]

Looks like ww will thrive this tier due to constant adds

[civic trellis]

doesnt matter if it isnt at max cp right

[balmy condor]

correct

[civic trellis]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[whole mason]

So only 2 st boss?

[stoic needle]

from what i can see yes

[whole mason]

Hard to survive then.

[civic trellis]

And that's on hc

Imagine on mythic

[dawn ivy]

so far ive had a good time with the adds though, fatescribe swapped to CT felt pretty good

[stoic needle]

seems like a fun tier to be necro

[glacial bough]

anybody have a breakdown to the opener for sin? im venthry! just wanna make sure im doing everything right haha

[hollow venture]

Necro sin does seem like a pretty good middle ground to be for ST plus some add ability

[viral aurora]

Which souldbind do you play with necro?
Anyone know how the gnashing chompers work? A stack that renews or?

[echo geyser]

heirmir with gemstones

[stoic needle]

gnashing chompers duration is refreshed when you get a new stack yes

[viral aurora]

Ty

[thorny pond]

Everyone having a good week?

[frosty bridge]

What legendary are we upgrading first coming into 9.1?

[stoic needle]

Too early to say

[thorny pond]

We know which one you'll upgrade first

[stoic needle]

it depends on how hard the burn phases are on the first 2 bosses

and the last phase of sylvanas

[stoic needle]

[thorny pond]

There ya go

[stoic needle]

probably not actually tho

[thorny pond]

Gonna bone those Valkaries so hard

[plain moon]

The meta will likely stay either Doom or Zold though right?

[stoic needle]

tbh im not seeing any fight where you'd want to use deathspike in raid

but idk

[stoic needle]

yep

[thorny pond]

Unless some major balancing happens yea

[plain moon]

ty

[strange python]

alert; venthyr leggo seemed like it was doin more dam than doomblade when i was doin the testing today....any update on actual sims for it?

[stoic needle]

It's worse

Whispyr has sims but he won't post them for some reason? Idk

[cobalt comet]

its most likely that these sims will go stale real soon and confuse people more than anything, thats why he's not releasing them

[stoic needle]

Yeah that makes sense

[odd hazel]

sims this early dont matter much

since they have so much time to change things

[civic trellis]

as

Oh discord is back

Any tips to improve here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3jGHJRpnQkqxWLCw#fight=7&type=damage-done&translate=true&source=130&view=timeline

whatever is welcome

[stoic needle]

Also the new soulbinds are going to possibly change things and they aren't implemented yet

[versed mica]

When my heart say venthyr but the tier tells me necrolord

[balmy condor]

It’s actually because I’m an evil rogue with a secret stash of sims that I’m hoarding like a goblin in a forbidden cave deep underground so that I keep all the good parses to myself, because my guild is hyper competitive for world first and I need every advantage I can get against every other rogue in the world.

Either that, or what you were saying

[odd hazel]

play what ever cov you want

[stoic needle]

release the sims

[versed mica]

but high parses are the only thing that keeps my self esteem in a somewhat put together state

[odd flax]

is there a way to track if the garrote is empowered with a WA?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it can get a little problematic depending on how complicated you want it to track

[stoic needle]

I've never felt the need to track it

[balmy condor]

Mine is custom code that tracks the nameplate so when I tab back, it still shows empowerment

But that’s kinda silly

[stoic needle]

Just don't refresh a garotte after a vanish or after you open

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s technically not correct in aoe

[stoic needle]

You overwrite empowered garottes in aoe?

[balmy condor]

Refreshing garrotes in pandemic can be worthwhile

Well obviously not

Unless it’s vanish garrote

Like the empowered garrotes enter pandemic right

But you have 5 garrotes out

[alpine latch]

Is there ever a situation where I'd want to run Poisoned Katar?

[balmy condor]

If you’re running double potency venthyr in m+ it’s pretty good

It’s kinda okay for fae/kyrian, but usually just LP

[stoic needle]

My main point is like, I don't see the point in tracking an empowered garotte when you won't overwrite them in most circumstances, you can just remember that after you vanish or open that you shouldn't refresh your first 3 garottes

[balmy condor]

But why remember when you can track

[stoic needle]

Less visual clutter

[spice spire]

When you track it’s less mental clutter

[stoic needle]

I've been playing sin for a little while now and I can count on one hand the number of times I've accidentally overwritten a subt garotte

[desert inlet]

My empowered garrote WA is a little plus sign above the timer

Not much clutter

[balmy condor]

In aoe we can put 4 garrotes out at once on opener right

Then you’re just playing cup and balls

Trying to remember which of the 3 you had the subt on

[spice spire]

I do enjoy playing cup and balls

[balmy condor]

What’s the point of that

Just track it

[stoic needle]

Feels like it's only relevant on specifically 4 mob pulls which are kinda rare

[balmy condor]

I mean you do you

But it’s not like it’s not worth tracking

[odd flax]

k, will search a way to track it, ty

[strange python]

Okay I have a trial this weeks with a poppegga guild

Are there any like tricks I’ve missed in the last few days or new metas

Or is it same old same old poisons bleed stab

Press all the bottoms as fast as possible in opener

Bud vend before flag

[balmy condor]

Same old

Class discords snoozing atm waiting for blizzard to get 9.1 into a workable state

[nimble tartan]

thats y i gotta spice it up 4 u bby

[plain moon]

Still worth crafting Doomblade on hands for next tier right? Since KT drops shoulders and theres no hands in last 2 bosses

[odd hazel]

either shoulders or hands are fine

it doesnt matter much since you can get crit/haste hands.

[stoic needle]

yes still doomblade on gloves

shoulder doombladers

[odd hazel]

imagine not getting 226 hands

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

i havent seen a single pair of 226 gloves in vault the entire exp

[odd hazel]

i ts okay, i cant really wear my zold since i havent seen the shoulders off SLG drop ever

[north granite]

Anyone have issues macroing the ventry ability?

[odd hazel]

what do you need to macro it for?

[balmy condor]

Macroing venthyr ability

[odd hazel]

[balmy condor]

Cast sequence macro’s are super weird man I don’t get the point

[odd hazel]

i havent felt like macros are needed but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

doesnt help i know like nothing of macros lmao

[balmy condor]

I know some macro stuff but I just don’t see the appeal

[plain moon]

I think its just people hearing about them way back in older xpacs and thinking its still the way to go

[thorny pond]

How many buttons do you realistically need to play sin? I've never counted

[dense narwhal]

How many of you sin rogues are levelling necrolord renown?

[dense narwhal]

Haha aw mannn

Switching back takes a lockout period right?

[plain moon]

wait what did I miss, I'm monkas rn. An hour ago I swapped to Ven

[thorny pond]

Venth is fine

Just SBS is fun

[dense narwhal]

Venthyr is currently ST beast, but necrolord might be cute next patch

[halcyon zealot]

if pure ST assa is your goal, venthyr is the play, if you multi spec and/or focus a lot on keys necro has an edge

[dense narwhal]

Especially for cleave

How is necro right now?

[thorny pond]

Necro is just hella sexy. Ya know?

[halcyon zealot]

i’m still a vampire so idk

[dense narwhal]

My other toon is an ele shammy, so boner boiz for life.

[thorny pond]

Draka is hella thicc

[dense narwhal]

I preferred the gameplay of sepsis over venth

So I'm scared to change again

[thorny pond]

I wish the other covenants were more than fire and forget spells. Like give us something interesting

[north granite]

rn i have a darkmoon deck they have same cooldown and id use them same time

just frees up a button

[stoic needle]

idk if you can call 80 dps better on st 'st beast'

but both covenants are good

[dense narwhal]

Omg

Boner boiiiii

Lez go necroooo

[hollow river]

And PURE st is few and far between

Bonebaby

[thorny pond]

If you wanna be a single target beast simply click "n" -> assassination-> "activate"

[hollow river]

True

[north granite]

You guys see that new leggo? shits gonna be op if its makes it to live like that for aoe

necro

[hollow river]

Always top raid dam kthx

[plain moon]

Is necro ahead in cleave/hard aoe by more than ven is ahead in st?

[dense narwhal]

Great question

[balmy condor]

Necro is slightly worse on 1 target but wins the moment there’s more than 1, so it’s been a lot of necro recently because the tier is over and the only thing to do is m+

[balmy condor]

Yes

Easily

Like 60 dps in single target and 200-400 in aoe depending on length and target count and all that

Necro legendary also looking pretty good for m+

Venthyr lego doesn’t look great for single target

So

There’s that

[dense narwhal]

And I imagine it's more engaging to play? (Necro)

[odd flax]

I just switched from Vent to Necro. Went to 7.05k simmed to 6.5k st... even at low renown, feels a lil bad

[hollow river]

Should vanish-3x gar be prio over rups? When vanish is available and first empowered gars are in pandemic

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorny pond]

Soul bind and cov level

[odd flax]

ye

[stoic needle]

no offense but i doubt you were hitting your sim dps anyway

[balmy condor]

No one should be losing more than like 100 dps

[hollow river]

Ty

[stoic needle]

i doubt you'd notice the difference besides on sludgefist

[thorny pond]

My switch on same gear was like 50 dps

[plain moon]

Well id also guess in practice necro is acc closer even in pure ST as soon as theres any downtime since you hace an extra range abilty and with flag being extra unfriendly to downtime

[thorny pond]

At max renown

SBS is great for cheese on some later bosses currently and cheap easy CP are always nice

[dense narwhal]

Just for the meme, how many targets before we ditch Muti for Fok?

[balmy condor]

4

Use fok only to apply poisons on 3

[dense narwhal]

I've been screwing up then :(

I keep mixing up my target numbers for FoK and Chain Lightning on my shammy lol

[shy dust]

@nimble tartan https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816412558616952862/840408512185892934/58q98g.gif

[nimble tartan]

lmaooooo!!!!!!!

im savin that dude ty

[plain moon]

@balmy condor thanks for answer earlier about the ven and necro stuff and ive seen the numbers you posted and pin and it makes sense to me. But whats causing still most of the top logs to still be ven? Even on fights that introduce extra targets or downtime

Is it just the case of just a lot of people still playing Ven, or am i missing something

[balmy condor]

Most raid whores are still venthyr

[halcyon zealot]

sheesh

[vital haven]

having 1 min to 2 min combat pots is pretty nice ngl

still switched to necro though

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s theotar cheese as well

Which honestly why the fuck is that still a thing

[plain moon]

ofc take farm parses with a grain of salt because tons of parses this point in this tier are from cheesing. But wouldnt we see people cheesing necro on a lot of the cleave fights?

[halcyon zealot]

because they’re busy nerfing innerva

[plain moon]

Oh whats the theotar thing?

[halcyon zealot]

nerfing boss 4 on month 6

[balmy condor]

You can go theotar, get double pot duration, drink a pot, and swap back

[plain moon]

like you swap then get summed on pull? so you have big pot in the opener?

[halcyon zealot]

no you use a tome

[plain moon]

ah

[halcyon zealot]

you can swap soulbinds with a tome as long as you have the conduits placed, but for the cheese your conduits don’t even matter in theo tree

[plain moon]

yeah I understand

remind me of the loaded dice cheese for keys all last xpac

for outlaw

[tame moss]

does Bottled Flayedwing Toxin work with mastery?

[shy dust]

No

[tame moss]

Bugger

[steep obsidian]

eep seems I might get CE this tier after doing 0 prog on any boss at all...

chill life was kinda cool 😐

any boss up to sire that is

[next shale]

hey does anyone have a good WA for tracking your bleeds on off targets? I want something that shows time left on the bleed and the name of the target each is on

[stoic needle]

you don't want that tbh

it will just clutter your screen

[next shale]

i want it

i play on an ultrawide lol

i just wanna put it in the corner

[stoic needle]

lol

[steep obsidian]

id try plater maybe

and have it on nameplates

there are some good strings on wago

i havent seen a weak aura that does that for a long time but i havent bothered to look

[balmy condor]

Should be pretty easy if you just track say rupture, and then set the trigger to track on multi-target

It’ll auto-duplicate automatically

[tame moss]

Hmm, that gives me an idea

[balmy condor]

I don’t like the sound of that

[tame moss]

i mean im just going to do what you swaid

setup a WA that tracks how many ruptures i have up

[balmy condor]

I really wouldn’t recommend it tbh

Just cause you can doesn’t mean you should :P

[tame moss]

i am doubtful i'll keep it, but it'll help me work out what i should be priotizing spending my CP on a lil easier so i'd like to see how it works

[balmy condor]

As sadbod said above me, tracking dots across multiple enemies is much easier and cleaner with nameplates

I’m not sure how tracking how many ruptures you have out will help you make a decision on your cp, but if it helps you, more power to you

[tame moss]

plater is ok

[balmy condor]

Don’t let me stand in the way of your personal growth man we all learn differently

[tame moss]

i kind struggle cause the plates are always moving etc

this way i can just look at the one spot to see how many ruptures i have up

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s just not really useful info

But man whatever helps

[tame moss]

I mean isn't it just a useful as doing it via plater?

[balmy condor]

Knowing how many you have up is different from tracking the durations

Being able to refresh in pandemic is one thing

Knowing how many you have, is not something we care about currently

[steep obsidian]

you can get plater to tell you when a rupture is in the pandemic window and stuff too

i dont claim to be any good though

[balmy condor]

The only time knowing how many bleeds are up is useful is for min-maxing priority dps on council and slg

And in those situations, it’s a mixture of garrotes and ruptures, and on those fights specifically, you bleed your target + 1 more target

Anything more is usually rough due to loss of downtime

[tame moss]

I'm looking at M+

keeping my dots up on multiple targets is how you do dps

why wouldn't i want to know how many dots i have up?

i get plater can also do it but i need to work out where name platers are when i'm checking that way

[balmy condor]

Because you dot everything that lives long enough anyway

The amount is irrelevant

If it’s alive for another ~15 seconds and doesn’t have a bleed

You bleed it

[stoic needle]

the thing is like: a bunch of bars that say "Rupture 1: 20 Seconds - Mob 1, Rupture 2: 15 seconds - Mob 2, Rupture 3: 12 seconds - Mob 3" is basically useless info

when a nameplate could tell you the same thing without you having to move your eyes away from the mobs and their nameplates

[tame moss]

its the same thing just in a different place though

[stoic needle]

yeah and you don't have time to be moving your eyes around the screen to get redundant info

when you're trying to dodge mechanics and do dps

[tame moss]

nameplaters move

you need to work out where they are

[stoic needle]

for the most part they stay in the center of your screen

[tame moss]

weak aura is a consistent location

[stoic needle]

right next to your character

they don't move that much

[tame moss]

they move enough for me that i prefer a static location to check for stuff

[balmy condor]

Okay so here’s a question

[stoic needle]

unless they're moving to the edges of your screen i guarantee you're wasting more time looking at that static location than just looking at the plates themselves

i used to play with a bunch of WAs like that that I made and i was playing worse trying to keep track of them and my character at the same time

whispyr remembers the auto clone wa i made

[tame moss]

my debuff trackering WA are about 5 yards to the right of my character,

[balmy condor]

You got 3 skirmishers, and your weakaura shows 3 ruptures, of varying lengths, on those

Now one of them is in pandemic

Which one of the 3 is it

[tame moss]

yeah i get what your saying

its still a gap

[balmy condor]

Aight well as long as you understand that

Go for it I guess

[tame moss]

The alternative point of view i am looking at is same scenario - i'm moving my eyes a away from my energy/player and get whacked by some spell i could of dodged because i'm trying to find each of the name plates and check for pandemic

[wary ice]

You learn to count to 20 tbh

[tame moss]

currently i'm having more issues with not dodging shit than i am managing pandemic timers

[wary ice]

Rupture timings are rwal natural

[tame moss]

i made my rogue 2 weeks ago, not at the point yet

[balmy condor]

Internalizing rupture times takes a lot of practice tbh

I know I can do that, and a lot of others can as well

But that’s a lot of work

[wary ice]

Yah and a good way to start that practice is to not have a a quarter of your screen filled with informational crutches

[balmy condor]

I guess

[stoic needle]

see how the timers are on the nameplates there? if i had a separate block of timers i'd have to move my eyes away from my character, my resource bar, and all of my CDs and etc to look over at them, process the information, and then figure out which of the actual mobs is the one that i want to refresh dots on

or i can just click the nameplate with the glowing dot icon and refresh

or mouse over it even

they aren't glowing there but you get the point

[tame moss]

i get your point of view

i don't think its bad/wrong

[stoic needle]

i'd say it's less effort to learn how to chase the nameplates around as they move and click your intended target than to constantly look back and forth between some auras and your character during play

[steep obsidian]

do you have the stacking nameplates setting off or something?

if you hvae that off they will move a lot yeh

[stoic needle]

they still move a lot even with it on tbf

[steep obsidian]

they do but not as much

and its a setting that some peopel dont know about

[stoic needle]

true

[steep obsidian]

so was just curious

[tame moss]

FYI

ignore the rupture in the middle and the bar timer - thats me just trying to work out how multi-target WAs work

things i need to refresh appear to the right of my char and stack down

they pixel shine when within pandemic timer

[gusty bone]

Ello! I have 1 question now necro is better than venthyr for raid? I saw majority of ppl on logs are still venthyr.

[tame moss]

and they don't show if their is more than 50% of the timer left

[balmy condor]

Venthyr is slightly better on 1 target, and worse on 2+

[gusty bone]

Ok tyvm

[stoic needle]

I would say that those nameplate timers are a bit too small/desaturated but that's just me

[tame moss]

you could be right

I'll have a go at changing it as well

[stoic needle]

There is a mod built into plater by default that allows you to make things glow when they're in pandemic as well

Ah I think you said you have that already

[tame moss]

no i said i manage pandemic via my WAs

if its in plater i'll add it there too

i've made the debuff bar bigger and i think it might help

Any chance you know where the panemic setting in plater is?

[stoic needle]

It should be under either scripting or mods, I can't remember off the top of my head and I'm in bed

There should be one called pandemic glow or pandemic dot glow or something along those lines

If you don't see it, there are dozens of them on wago.io

[tame moss]

didn't realise plater had this kind of customization before

[stoic needle]

Plater is basically as customizable as weakauras

But with a worse GUI

The GUI on WA is incredible by comparison lol

[tame moss]

not having much luck finding pandemic timers for plater. if someone could share one that'd be apprecaited

[fathom swift]

it's 30% of the new duration

[plain moon]

https://wago.io/b5lQFqr5V @tame moss

[steep obsidian]

seems there are a few if you look

in the assination section

https://wago.io/plater/classes/rogue/assassination

inlcuding the one the dude already linked

[iron orchid]

@stoic needle how did raid testing go ?

I'm pretty sure he's asleep but hey

Gotta try

[slow marsh]

first night of mythic danny and it was. uhhh interesting

[burnt latch]

This really blew my mind, dont think why I havent gotten pandemic glows on my plater before

That had me thinking if it would be possible to also make faded out rupture / CT / garrote icons next to the actual debuffs on plater to indicate that u don't have said debuff applied to the target kind of as a reminder

So on that far right target it would have a greyed out garrote / CT icon next to the rupture

[steep obsidian]

the answer to almost everything in plater or weak auras is yes

if you can figure out how to code it

if the api lets you do it it can be done

[burnt latch]

fair enough, I suppose plater has a discord server that can probably answer the question

[steep reef]

hello assassination I’m pooped after gaming so hard today and I’m exhausted so gn

[gleaming tiger]

hi guys

i changed my outlaw to assa

for m+ is 17 mastery enough ?

[hollow river]

Stats weights are not super important unless you’re gearing BiS is what I believe someone would tell you not sure if anyone is on.

[slow marsh]

yeah

sim yourself

dont worry about stats

[gleaming tiger]

well actually i asked for should i craft my new lege haste crit or crit mastery

[slow marsh]

haste crit for raid+m+

[gleaming tiger]

okey ty

[slow marsh]

idk why you would only play sin for m+ so that doesn't matter

[gleaming tiger]

well i play raid too

[hollow river]

I like it better in all content 🙂

[gleaming tiger]

but its for m+ gearing

and i turned to vent so outlaw as vent is really bad

i am bored outlaw 😄

[hollow river]

Necro is awesome for sin

[gleaming tiger]

really

u mean bonestime

bonesmith

[hollow river]

Yeah. Especially in m+

[gleaming tiger]

but i think vent is waybetter for raids

[hollow river]

Nah only 100dps max

In pure ST

[gleaming tiger]

hmm

for shriek or sludge

vent and necro

too much difference?

[hollow river]

Necro is better for everything 2 or more.

I believe sludge you will see a bit more diff from what I’ve read hear. Because of pillars.

[gleaming tiger]

hmm

[hollow river]

You gain much more dps in aoe as necro than you lose in ST

[gleaming tiger]

hmm

well

if i go back to necro i play outlaw on m+

so

i gain looot more aoe 😄

[hollow river]

Play what feels good for you 😄

[gleaming tiger]

i just want to try this vent assa

well on warcraftlogs

everyone plays vent assa

can i do +20 +21 s with ventt assa?

[hollow river]

It’s not bad.

And I’m sure you could. Only sin rogue I’ve personally watched do 24s and such is necro.

[gleaming tiger]

hmm

well i am gonna try this vent assa 😄

ty for helps

so crit haste for lege

i can change to necro anytime so

[hollow river]

Others here could tell you better than I can.

[gleaming tiger]

hmm oki

and the thing is i wanna be pure assa 😄

i played outlaw for bfa and

till now

kinda bored

[hollow river]

Outlaw is kinda too spammy for me ya know

But I’ve only played rogue for a few months so.

[gleaming tiger]

hmm

can i sim my self for m+ dungeons ?

[balmy condor]

Use dungeonslice

[hollow river]

I believe you can do dungeon slice and pick different amount of targets. I’m not well versed in the way of the sim.

[balmy condor]

It’ll do target counts all by itself

But it’s not supposed to show you your damage at the end of a dungeon, so if you’re trying to see that specifically, that’s not what the sim is for

[gleaming tiger]

well for sunking raid boss is vent outlaw soo bad ?

or is assa playable on sunkings

[balmy condor]

Sin is probably better for sun king prog

[gleaming tiger]

are u playing assa for sunkings or outlaw ?

[balmy condor]

Outlaw just does aoe but the shield damage isn’t that great

I refuse to play outlaw

[gleaming tiger]

😄

[balmy condor]

Miss me with that dumb fucking spec

[hollow river]

😅

[gleaming tiger]

so vent assa still playable

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

Yes all covenants are playable

Idk what kind of question that is

[slow marsh]

venth is still really good for sure

[balmy condor]

You could play kyrian and be fine

[slow marsh]

kyrian is the worst but it's still not going to be a deal breaker. whisp would know

[balmy condor]

Every covenant is close enough for it to not matter

[drifting cloud]

I assume he opened the overall logs for sks

now filter for boss dmg 👀

[balmy condor]

Sub stonks?

[gusty mirage]

[full tendon]

Does Korayn's First Strike do much at all for sin?

[surreal smelt]

Is it better to play sin or outlaw for mythic sire?

[keen cairn]

Depends what ur comp needs

if u struggle with the adds/timers in p2, got outlaw

if u lack boss dmg in p3, go sin

[surreal smelt]

Ok cool thanks for the feedback

[balmy condor]

It’s quite good

[full tendon]

Been considering switching for a while now

But have made an almost entire switch from outlaw to sin, wasn't sure if it was as useful

[slow marsh]

I mean

In terms of what you do for a raid spot sin is more useful

[full tendon]

I don't raid on my rogue

Maybe next tier

Just M+

[slow marsh]

But that doesn't matter unless you actually havea pool of raiders and are making comps

[balmy condor]

If you just do m+ why would you swap to sin

[slow marsh]

yeah just stay outlaw

I was gonna ask that too lol

[full tendon]

Don't you refuse to play outlaw?

What kind of question is that?

I don't enjoy it as much

[balmy condor]

Yellow name

[full tendon]

k

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

Dunno why you’re so mad

[drifting cloud]

take the middle ground, play sub

[full tendon]

"Why don't you just stay outlaw?"

[drifting cloud]

because its the best m+ spec?*

[balmy condor]

I also have never played outlaw seriously in the last 3 expansions and don’t have a yellow name

[full tendon]

Okay

[balmy condor]

If you wanna play sin more power to you

Just dunno why you gotta be mad about it

But you do you

[full tendon]

Just seemed accusatory, I like sin, is that cool?

[next shale]

is anyone able to look at my logs and help me figure out what i need to fix?

[full tendon]

I feel like I get RNGed like a mfer as outlaw

And have largely played sin since BC

Until this expansion

[misty zenith]

I play sin, but I cannot seem to get my Mists daggers

[balmy condor]

What? I didn’t accuse you of anything of course it’s cool to like sin, it’s all I play lmao

[misty zenith]

I think they just don’t drop shiit

[balmy condor]

Why would I shit on you for doing what I do

That’s the dumbest fucking thing I could do

[misty zenith]

Are you guys working towards a shiv windows or just shiv on CD and whatever?

[balmy condor]

Shiv on cooldown is optimal

[misty zenith]

I’m under the impression I should take care of my bleeds and then shiv to get 2-3 evenoms out

[balmy condor]

We shiv on cooldown as long as rupture is up on the target

The amount of envenoms is whatever

Missing a shiv because you held it is much more painful

[misty zenith]

Yea that’s my issue ST I think

[balmy condor]

Just on cooldown, and whatever you get in the window is cool

If that’s 1 envenom, cool

If that’s 5

Cool

[slow marsh]

i think only hold shiv if cd(s) are coming up in 10s right

[balmy condor]

Yeah I think that’s what I put in the pin

[misty zenith]

Adjusting from Feral to sin, I’m liking it

[balmy condor]

Think the apl is 12 but it usually ends up being about 10 and that’s easier to remember

[slow marsh]

makes sense it's a better version of the same thing lol

[misty zenith]

I’ve been setting up Hekili next to my WA

Just to see if it syncs with what I do

[slow marsh]

and yeah the shiv timing is annoying sometimes but smashing it when its up is better than holding too much so either way

[misty zenith]

Haven’t played my rogue since Cata, it’s like returning to a whole new class

[slow marsh]

yeah just read pins and the guide and you're fine

[misty zenith]

Think I have to do arena too, I cannot seem to get any weapons

We even did mists 15 with 3 rogues 😆

No drop

[balmy condor]

What are pins?

[slow marsh]

IDK some thing where people do a bunch of work and post all the info but nobody looks at

[balmy condor]

I see

[misty zenith]

The only thing messing with me is the secondary stats as sin.

[slow marsh]

dont worry about them

just sim yourself and dont stress about it

[balmy condor]

Can I do it to em

[misty zenith]

They seem indeed less important

[balmy condor]

[misty zenith]

Saw the pin 😉

So just go with higher ilvl and sim

[balmy condor]

Yuh

[hollow river]

[rapid stratus]

for sire prog, yall think sin execution is the way to go? over OL?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hollow river]

You must have big patience 😄

[rapid stratus]

as venthyr, anything special with condies or anything or just standard?

[balmy condor]

I have big patients actually

[balmy condor]

Same ol same ol

[hollow river]

Oh

[balmy condor]

Yeah sucks being a doctor

[hollow river]

Can you teach me

To get big patients

[balmy condor]

Work at a clinic for the obese

[hollow river]

[rapid stratus]

tyty, any tips for a rogue going into the fight?

dont die?

[misty zenith]

Garrotte

[hollow river]

And kill boss

[balmy condor]

Don’t die, do big dam, don’t immune massacre p3 cause you can’t, shadowstep Someone you trust on the nasty overlap and pray he doesn’t ass blast you

[misty zenith]

When moonkin blows mobs away while u are trying to Garrote opener

Feelsbad

[rapid stratus]

cos doesnt work for soaking? god damn they did wreck rogues

[balmy condor]

Not on p3 massacre nope

[rapid stratus]

i never tried in heroic cause ive only killed him like 3x but damn

i thought evasion worked for massacre?

or is that just lines in p1?

[balmy condor]

Evasion doesn’t work on anything on sire

[rapid stratus]

im 99% sure soaking lines with evasion works?

as in ive sat in the X on heroic with evasion up and been fine

[slow marsh]

did you have cheat death

[balmy condor]

Well I’m 100% sure it doesn’t so checkmate atheists where’s your god now

[rapid stratus]

yea and it didnt proc

[polar crater]

Do I exclusively use CT in aoe as a finisher?

[rapid stratus]

lmao aight ill go hop in a pug now and check

[balmy condor]

No

[polar crater]

or do I still want to rupture at say 3-4 targets

[rapid stratus]

im sure your right

[balmy condor]

Might be some heroic jank tbh

There were a couple mythic only things that don’t work but magically somehow sometimes work on heroic for no apparent reason

[slow marsh]

Mythic does change it up though its annoying

[rapid stratus]

fair enough, this tier is filled with bugs, isnt there a lag bug in p1 with the conal?

[balmy condor]

It’s really fucking stupid

Not sure

[polar crater]

or is it more so just another bleed you maintain

[balmy condor]

Yep

[polar crater]

alrighty

[rapid stratus]

is there a decent sim setup for sire?

[balmy condor]

Usually p1 and p2 are irrelevant so you can sim execute patchwerk for p3

3 min should be fine

But honestly just a standard patchwerk works too

[rapid stratus]

kk, as far as pull count and getting to p3? how many times did yall hit p3 before the kill? we're about 150 pulls into slg, finally got 2nd intermission figured, had a 2% wipe wednesday and should kill tuesday. But it seems like sire p3 is the roughest part, like council. Compared to slg where p3 seems free

[balmy condor]

I think most guilds are below 100 these days

[drifting cloud]

nah

that was a month or so ago before slg nerfs kicked in

theres guilds that wipe up to 300 times on sire aswell

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

yes its possible to kill sire in 100 pulls but if youre doing slg prog in May

its probably not possible for your guild

[hollow river]

I think the average for sire is 150

[rapid stratus]

so also we had a night with 30-40 wipes with a sub tank in so that skews our count a bit, but weve been above average on wipe counts throughout the tier, only raid 5.5 hours a week.

from what ive seen it seems pull counts are less than slg but idk if thats true

below average on wipe counts rather

[drifting cloud]

problem is theyre very different fights in essential

[rapid stratus]

right

[drifting cloud]

and it comes down alot to how guilds approach it

[rapid stratus]

does it come down to a lot of personal responsibility or more group responsibility?

[drifting cloud]

for dps on sire its 100% personal pretty much

[rapid stratus]

mechanics wise i guess, obv dps is personal

[drifting cloud]

but the wipe count on sire is also inflated just how much you wipe in p1

yeah I mean mechanics, outside of knowing what interrupt you have everything else is personal

[rapid stratus]

right, ive read that a lot of p1 is based on how well your leaders prepare

okay

and im sure our leaders are already looking at setups for everything

[balmy condor]

Ryler’s got way more knowledge on it than me

Whatever he says

:P

[drifting cloud]

but yeah the wipes it just goes both way so its hard to make predictions

[rapid stratus]

Sorry for asking so much, im just excited and want to do the best i can do to not get benched for someone else hahahah

[drifting cloud]

the problem on sire is alot of the time its just a straight up wipe, its not like slg where you can kill the boss with 2-3 people dead from like 4min onwards

on sire youre not killing the boss without 20 alive when you go to p3

[rapid stratus]

right, ive seen all the kills, even the fastest, are all within like 1 min of each other

whereas, slg you have the speed strat which is like 7 min, but our 2% wipe was at almost 11 min, granted people were dieing for the last minutish

[drifting cloud]

that + p1 is why the wipe count can really vary from between 70-300

yes its extremes at both sides but its not made up numbers I know guilds who have wipes on both of those sides

[rapid stratus]

so, for p1 then is there anything i can do myself that can help keep it to a minimum? cause i feel like p1 wipes are motivation killers

[drifting cloud]

just dont be potato with the lines

make sure you position as soon as you get it so people have time to adjust for soaks

yeah as a rogue its never killing you but you will have alot of deaths to it

[rapid stratus]

3 people get it right? does feint work?

[hollow river]

I know this is more of a general question, but is there a big difference in time commitment from heroic to mythic?

[rapid stratus]

not really, once your character is geared, most raiders just raid log from my experience

[drifting cloud]

well that mostly depends what kind of guild you raid in and if you mean over time or on a weekly basis

[rapid stratus]

get your mythics done, etc.

and right, how hard your guild goes, 2 night 5 hours vs 4 night 12 hours is a big difference

[hollow river]

Weekly basis

[rapid stratus]

however, if youre like me and have shit luck with drops, i still do 10 mythics a week to try to get a 226 weapon,

[hollow river]

Rn I’m in a heroic guild progressing sire.. doing 8hrs a week, was 9 until last week

[balmy condor]

Yikes

[rapid stratus]

if youre still progressing heroic sire, mythic jump is rough

[drifting cloud]

well I raid 2days 4h each and outside of raiding this tier ive done 10 dungeons maybe like 3 times at the start of tier, then I did 4 dungeons for 2ish months and thesedays its 0-1, Ive killed sire almost 2months ago

[hollow river]

I believe I could pug sire easily

[balmy condor]

8-9 hours a week still progging heroic in may

Is uh

[rapid stratus]

youll definitely have to change guilds, and thats only if youre the shining star of your team, right now, guilds dont want rogues

[balmy condor]

Kinda yucky

[hollow river]

This guild is new - they broke off from another guild. And I’ve been playing the game for 3 months...

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[rapid stratus]

i pugged H sire before our guild could kill it 2 weeks after it dropped and thats not even good

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t worry about it

But if you’re trying to push harder

[drifting cloud]

yeah being new is fine but your guild is just bad

[balmy condor]

^

[rapid stratus]

yep

[drifting cloud]

especially after heroic sire got nerfed a while ago

[hollow river]

I’m always top dam and normally last one alive in a wipe lol unless were wiping on purpose

[rapid stratus]

one person cant carry a guild, if you are in the position where youre pissed at your raiders for fucking up all the time and youre the last one alive every wipe then yea its your guild

[balmy condor]

Even our group of chimps killed heroic sire in like beginning of March

And we’re like

[drifting cloud]

like decent mythic pugs probably clear like 4 bosses

[balmy condor]

Very bad

[rapid stratus]

if youre top dam as rogue on sire youre guild is full monkee

[hollow river]

It’s mainly just them not cutting the people who aren’t putting in enough effort to game

Which we are doing effective tmrw. Also 5 hrs a week isn’t prog

[rapid stratus]

yea, then you can probably easily get into a 3 or 4 guild rn

[hollow river]

5 hrs a week is 1-9 farm for gearing alts and new recruits etc

[rapid stratus]

5 hours is reclear? our alt heroic clears are 1.5 hours

[drifting cloud]

oh boy

[rapid stratus]

and maybe a wipe or 2 on sire depending on which mage decides to bring their tank alt

[hollow river]

Again... a few people are basically being carried along

[rapid stratus]

then leave

[balmy condor]

It gets worse

[rapid stratus]

thats what i did

[hollow river]

Not everyone can be good gamer ya know

[drifting cloud]

yeah if you have ok gear/logs you can probably find a 3-5 mythic guild without issues

[rapid stratus]

im on a shit server, top guild and we're only 8/10M rn, only 7 guilds even progging mythic

[teal bloom]

I got curve in March, we had 102 wipes at Sire lol. Most of our guild including me had never raided before shadowlands and we had to sadly bench a few people who did less damage than tanks :(

[rapid stratus]

i had 102 wipes at 200 ilvl back when it dropped pugging it lol and im still only 8/10

and asking for adive lol

[hollow river]

Doing less dam then tanks. Seeing people do this triggers me. Am I a bad person

[rapid stratus]

advice*

no, just leave

whats keeping you there?

as a rogue if youre not in the bottom half of dps on most fights youre in a shit guild i feel like

[hollow river]

Nothing really. Click decent with the decent gamers that are in there

[drifting cloud]

doesnt really work like that 😛

[rapid stratus]

am I wrong? we havent had any parse reclears really, but still. i get 95+

on heroic

[drifting cloud]

assa can be top3 on quite alot of fights

[ornate raptor]

Maybe he likes the people at his guild

[frail fossil]

assa literally has one of the best ST in the game

and if u dont top the direct meter u top the boss dmg meter

[rapid stratus]

yea, youre not wrong, sin is gross on the ST fights, we havent recleared since the changes tho

[ornate raptor]

To be fair a good rogue can top meters tho

[hollow river]

Yeah they’re all cool people ya know

[rapid stratus]

exactly, our dmg is very focused

cool people piss me off when they cant drop stacks in p1 sire

or get hit by massacre

[hollow river]

Sucks that if you wanna keep pushing yourself and mainly raid ya gotta jump around til you find that fit >.<

[steep obsidian]

dunno how you get hit by massacre

[drifting cloud]

yeah its just progging heroic in May

[hollow river]

Lmfaooo

[steep obsidian]

that is pretty pepega

[rapid stratus]

it sucks but youll be way happier being around people who have the same mindset as you

[drifting cloud]

I odnt think you realize how bad that is

[frail fossil]

where are u prog wise Rogul ?

[drifting cloud]

we were 10 people boosting 10 on sire that would die on pull back in January

[rapid stratus]

only 8/10 rn, slg should die tuesday, im not trying to act like a rogue god like ryler or whysper is but i know what im doing for the most part

[hollow river]

Again. 3 months into the game

@drifting cloud

[rapid stratus]

im not trying to say youre bad for where youre at. just trying to say you should move up

[drifting cloud]

yes nothing wrong with that plenty of guilds just need bodies because of the roster boss

[rapid stratus]

if you feel youre being held back

[drifting cloud]

you can find alot of people giving you a chance

[frail fossil]

[rapid stratus]

on my server, we're the only mythic guild not having roster issues, every other guild is advertising in trade and only doing heroic cause they dont have people

[hollow river]

Roster boss?

[rapid stratus]

and yea, you can easily find a guild like that, it might not be the most stable place but you can parse and show what you can do

cant field 20 players

[hollow river]

Yeah lot of guilds struggling atm with recruitment and people taking breaks etc

[rapid stratus]

and esp if youre alliance

[hollow river]

Our min tank is taking a break now as well

Main

[frail fossil]

in most guild if u are good u will be in the upper part of the meters on some bosses at least, no matter ur spec, specs come into play when u enter more competitive guilds

[drifting cloud]

you have to realize just being in this discord probably makes you better than a huge % of players in pve

[steep obsidian]

im in this discord and im garbage

[rapid stratus]

if you want to find a guild, go on wowprogress and set up your profile to looking for a guild, if youre any decent, youll have 5 or so guilds messaging you within the week

[steep obsidian]

^

[hollow river]

Yeah since I came in here and asked questions I went from grey ilvl parse to purple.

[frail fossil]

[rapid stratus]

GJ ryler

[hollow river]

Big brain server

[steep obsidian]

i will kill sire mythic once

with a grey parse

guaranteed

[drifting cloud]

if you did dmg in p3 it doesnt matter

my first sire kill was a gray parse

[steep obsidian]

yah

i dont care

iu havent progged a single boss whole tier

just helping guild get it done

[drifting cloud]

sure there might have only been like 15 parses back then but what can you do

[rapid stratus]

rogue is one of the hardest classes to play well, i guess not sin really, but OL in particular is difficult managing your CD's/opportunity/BR/KS/BtE/etc.

[steep obsidian]

they got me in to cover for someone and are like hmmmmm you actually do twice as much boss dam as the dk 🤔

[hollow river]

I thought outlaw just basically blew everything on cd

[rapid stratus]

you do, but realizing when they come up and if you should hold it for something coming up, while thinking about what rolls you have

[hollow river]

But idk I haven’t enetered that channel nor played outlaw since I went sin I never looked back

[rapid stratus]

you have like 10+ buttons in your rotation vs most classes 4 button rotation

OL is king on cleave, Sin is ST king and maybe better on 2 targets

[hollow river]

Yeah I played outlaw for a good month it’s not bad but the high APL and thinking? Nty

[rapid stratus]

youre handicapping yourself and youre group playing sin in mythics, but at 15s it doesnt really matter

[drifting cloud]

eh its not really handicapping

[hollow river]

I do better dam as sin in a good group with no deaths

[drifting cloud]

assa is still a very good m+ specs, outlaw just happens to be best or 2nd best melee

[rapid stratus]

I made a realllllllllly good weakaura to help manage by RTB procs, and i know enough to where i can override what it says to reroll or not

OL has gouge which is insane

[ornate raptor]

Rogue’s unite and lets help this man get his sire kill

🙃

[hollow river]

Playing outlaw I stopped progressing in dps at like 4.5k but like I said I never checked the outlaw channel and looked for my@mistakes

[rapid stratus]

and can use shiv as utility, on heroic as OL your dmg prolly wont be great, but sire should easily be doable, heroic sire is literally just a mechanics fight

[hollow river]

Sim has garrote (:

[rapid stratus]

if your guild cant kill it, your guild cant do mechanics

[hollow river]

Yep

[rapid stratus]

Guilds killed sire with like 185 ilvl so its not a gear issue

[ornate raptor]

Some guilds are just pro

Not everyone is a pro gamer

[rapid stratus]

i am dude, ive gotten like 5 solo dubs in FN

[ornate raptor]

Not impressed

[rapid stratus]

but yea youre right, theyre way more skilled than most of us, but im assuming his guild is pushing 220 avg so its not a gear issue is all im saying

if youre struggling with sire rn, its cause you havent cut the dead weight and your guild just sucks

[ornate raptor]

Yeah probably , maybe he can throw a log in here for us to see

[rapid stratus]

^ actually

im only 8/10 but i can look at it and tell you what i see

or if youre alliance US ill pug it with your n

[hollow river]

I agree eblise, and I want everyone to have fun and get the achievement and stuff

[rapid stratus]

rn

[ornate raptor]

Oh yeah my guild helps a friend guild out on our server they prog hc sire as well. We are 6/10 mythic and we told them we won’t help out if you don’t start cuttin the death weight. But their guild leader is to kind hates cuttin people

[rapid stratus]

if you have a nice guild leader, its bound to fail

[hollow river]

But when you keep messing up and you just laugh.. idk wastes other people’s time and effort

[rapid stratus]

exactly

get out right now

go to wowprogress.com and update your profile with search for a guild and find somewhere else

if your goal is to push

[hollow river]

Im horde btw

[ornate raptor]

Horde for life

[rapid stratus]

if you enjoy pussyfooting around then stay

horde is for ezmode. i stay alliance cause i like a challenge

[hollow river]

Lmao

[ornate raptor]

What do u play? Nightelf?

[rapid stratus]

ofc, shadowmeld is nuts with our conduit

you get consistant 4 roll openers

soz forgot im in sin channel

[ornate raptor]

Kill this alliance scum

I never understood the shadowmeld thing tho

[rapid stratus]

and i started alliance back in vanilla so im partial.

with count the odds, you shadowmeld 5-6 CP dispatch and it counts as using it from stealth

it also worked with kyrian ability to get find weakness bug for a while

[ornate raptor]

And he is outlul

[rapid stratus]

im a birogue, i swap to sin when it benefits me 😛

[ornate raptor]

Hehe

I swap to outlaw when it benefits me

Which is once in a bluemoon

[rapid stratus]

@hollow river link a log and ill check it out

[hollow river]

Which is never (:

[rapid stratus]

OL is better on most fights in CN than sin

sin is better on the fights that are free

[ornate raptor]

My Eblise beats people butts on fights

[rapid stratus]

tbf im swapping sin for M sire

[ornate raptor]

Just saying

No judging

[rapid stratus]

maybe you have bad guildies then 😛

[ornate raptor]

Probably why we are only 6/10 but i am 7/10 mythic tho

😂😂

[rapid stratus]

on SLG prog my dmg got cut by 2k dps in one night cause ranged figured out how to aoe, however, i still top boss dmg lol

as OL

[ornate raptor]

I would go OL for SLG to probably

Thats the bluemoon time

[rapid stratus]

it really shines, if i get good rolls on the opener im usually top 5 with maybe our mages and hunter in front, but you get a shitty opener and youre finishing 10-13th

[ornate raptor]

It happens

Thats why its called RNG

[rapid stratus]

yeap, it just sucks that our dmg is so rng

[ornate raptor]

Just like getting 226 weps

[rapid stratus]

and youre in intermission and you have 4 minutes of snd

[ornate raptor]

God and vault hates me

[rapid stratus]

yeap, i got a 223 weapon my first vault and havent seen a weapon since

still rocking 223/220 for OL and 220/220 for sin

with everything else at 226

[dusky lichen]

in slg u go for more crit/vers for cleave or usual haste build

[ornate raptor]

Not bad

[rapid stratus]

sin you still want ~20% haste

[ornate raptor]

I am still rocking a 216 ring cause its simming better then all other rings i get haha

[rapid stratus]

Best sim for SLG is dungeon slice imo

Ive been using greenskins as OL to good success, if youre running sin on SLG youre likely just focusing boss the whole time

[ornate raptor]

Hows greenskins going for u

[rapid stratus]

I love it in mythics

better than MA imo, not pushing only 14-17's

def worth the craft if you have it to spare

[ornate raptor]

I have 8.5k ashes spair

Spare

[rapid stratus]

this week kinda blows cause youre likely on explosives duty

[ornate raptor]

Could look into it

[rapid stratus]

but hitting 20k pistol shots blade flurried feels so goooood

[ornate raptor]

I enjoy MA on outlaw cause the burst in the start

But thats where it ends

On bosses when u get bad rng on rolls u stuck

[rapid stratus]

yeap, its a ton of burst in aoe but outside of that its meh

thats standard, i save all my CD's for pride usually so the others can bust off on the boss or w/e

rogues arent brought for their huge dam, their brought for their consistant dmg and control, youll finish 2nd/3rd on dmg unless your group sucks at like 6k dps or so but you can basically kick 4 casts in less than 5 seconds

[ornate raptor]

The day i blow my cds on pride before a boss it will be the day i am no longer me

[rapid stratus]

they're*

see, thats the downfall of most M+ players

they get greedy, but the pride has to die and some healers struggle healing through it. saving CD's as OL is killing your DPS

you have to realize our CD's dont bring as much dmg as other classes

[ornate raptor]

Can’t be your dps alone tho

[rapid stratus]

keeping your AR off CD for a minute or w/e it takes to kill pride actually hurts your dps

[ornate raptor]

I’ve seen pride deaths, not cause of me not popping a cd or so

[rapid stratus]

cause i guarantee you, you blow AR at pride, itll be up on the boss again esp on tyran

[ornate raptor]

Just they not doin the dps

Yeah on OL for sure

[rapid stratus]

exactly, because people hold CD's

[ornate raptor]

Cause you getting that to spend cp to get less cd

Weirdly it looks like a mirror paste cp /cd

😂

[teal bloom]

I feel like I perform much better in M+ after learning to use cds instead of holding them for bosses xd

[hollow river]

I’m gonna DM u logs @rapid stratus

[rapid stratus]

yea

[ornate raptor]

@hollow river don’t be a teaser only to him

😧

[balmy condor]

Missing casts of CDs is usually not pog

[hollow river]

Lol

[rapid stratus]

the biggest pitfall people get into doing mythics is not using CD's on trash

[hollow river]

It’s pretty bad

[rapid stratus]

there are some players im sure youve seen who only use cd's on bosses