assassination

[tropic echo]

i think it's bad design for a cov conduit to be bis even at 80 ilvls lower lol

[stoic needle]

Pretty sure it isn't

[tropic echo]

145 lashing scars is better than 226 well placed steel im pretty sure

[alpine latch]

It's not bis for me

It will be if I can get a higher rank, but at 145 it's a DPS loss on ST

[tropic echo]

if you're not venthyr then it probably isn't that insane

but yeah

[stoic needle]

The real bad design is that all of the sin conduits suck

[frail fossil]

necro conduit is bis for assa too

better than well placed steel

[tropic echo]

yeah but like

better even at 80 ilvls difference? lol

[frail fossil]

probably not

idk ilv upgrade feel so minor who knows

[tropic echo]

i don't think it's ridiculous for a covenant conduit to be bis on equal standing

but when it's baseline is so much better that the ilvl barely matters at all, yikes

then again im a supporter of the covenant system being complete fucking garbage to begin with so who knows maybe im just a contrarian

it would be cool if it wasn't so heavily tied to performance, and sometimes it isn't, but like

lolmage

[hollow escarp]

ilvl conduit means nothing, it's just a artificial number to differentiate ranks

[stoic needle]

Again, the real problem is that the sin conduits suck

Not that the covenant ones are good

[tropic echo]

it's the same issue regardless of the reasoning, whether lashing scars needs to be reduced in power or other sin conduits need to be increased, there shouldn't be this much power frontloaded into the base effect of a conduit so much so that it's a better rank 1 conduit than 2nd best is at rank 8 or whatever

[stoic needle]

I don't think it particularly matters tbh, all that matters is the total final output

[alpine latch]

Are there any trinkets that are regarded as sim traps for melee?

[limber lion]

Oh okay, didn't know that :o

[frail fossil]

yeah, like when i switched venthyr i did one calling and instantly got 200 lashing, same for when i switched necro

but actual covenant conduit drop rate on WB is honestly mediocre

never dropped on my monk got it from sire

[stoic needle]

I think getting the base conduit is guaranteed, but not a 200 because when I switched back to necro it took me several callings to get a 200

[limber lion]

Yeah but that one you get from the soulbind introductionary quest

[stoic needle]

Guess it's not guaranteed then

I was walking around with a 145 SF for almost a whole week

[north basin]

Guys what do u think, should i reroll necro for myth dena prog? 38% best. Or wont notice much difference vs venth?

[limber lion]

Welp, I don't know what to believe anymore.

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter honestly.

[hazy crater]

yeah you're not gonna magically kill it when you swap

[north basin]

Like my overall wont dramatically increase coz barons cultist remornia mass dotting?

[stoic needle]

No

[north basin]

K

[stoic needle]

It's better but not by much

[hollow escarp]

boss damage > overall on sire

[north basin]

Ye my boss damage til 38% was top 1-3

[stoic needle]

Imagine if WCL default view was damage done to bosses

[hollow escarp]

you still need ads damage

[north basin]

So if i do more on adds my team can funnel more into boss? Flawed logic or no?

[hollow escarp]

it's a mix I guess

because you need to kill ads in p1 fast for example

but there are a lot of classes with baseline good aoe

that can do it

and that will bring them up in wcl

but we shine the most on boss damage

[stoic needle]

Dotting the adds is a single target dps gain though

[north basin]

P1 adds aint issue, they have small hp pool. Talking more about phase when 2 cultists + remornia near boss

[hollow escarp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#boss=2407&metric=bossdps&dataset=99 love to see both rogue specs above DK 😄

[dull cloak]

boss damage only really matters on p3

[hollow escarp]

ye

[north basin]

But u need to get there first, and as far as i understood if u stable going to 30% of boss it takes u very little amount of tries to end it.

Is it true?

[limber lion]

No

[hollow escarp]

yeah, that's why sometimes you hero in early stages

to get prog

[hazy crater]

really depends on your raiders

[hollow escarp]

ohh

[limber lion]

P3 is the hard part

[hollow escarp]

misunderstood the question

[north basin]

Like if u have 250-300 pulls til kill, the ones u go sub 30% till kill will be like 20-30 max?

[limber lion]

No

You should not have 250 pulls on it when yoy get to 30% for the first time

[indigo mulch]

I mean the only thing that matters is p3 tbh. p1 and p2 is a joke once you get the movement and cd usage down.

p3's dps check is pretty rough if you dont do 99 logs on all the bosses 😒

[north basin]

Its still tight dps race there? Sub 40%

[limber lion]

Depends on the comp

[limber lion]

Yes.

[north basin]

Ohh

[limber lion]

That's why it's advised to focus on ST and execute

[indigo mulch]

We're running 2x assassination, 1 fury (venthry) and 1 SP.

oh and a dk

rest is just aoe more or less lol

[north basin]

Well so maybe i will craft zoldyk then . Have 6k ashes

[hollow escarp]

do you have doomblade?

[north basin]

Ye

I have doom ma celerity and the sub leg all 235

[indigo mulch]

Doomblade (overall) is better than Zoldycks on sire. Aka you will get better logs with doomblade. However, having zoldycks for p3 is in my opinion more worth than any form of damage you can do in p1/p2 with doomblade.

[hollow escarp]

I wanna compare some logs but I've heard that doomlade can be more damage than zoldyck on p3 alone

[north basin]

Ye heard that too

[indigo mulch]

Eh

In what world does Doomblade do more damage than zoldycks in a 3min execute phase? D:

And how is that even possible

[north basin]

Well its hard to compare, u need same circumstances same raid same kill time, different leg, and even then u cant be sure in results coz variance

So there is top boss p3 damage with CT talent and doomblade according to logs

[indigo mulch]

Eh

Oh

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is ~ +3.5-4% better in execute but about the same amount worse in p1/2

[limber lion]

Some people argue that Doomy isnbetter if you lust right away in P3 because the boss is over 30% hp at that point

But most people usually lust after second blood price

Or somewhere around there

[indigo mulch]

Peopel doing logs on sire mythic goes: EP/vigor and CT.

[north basin]

Well no one will notice probably if i switch from doom to zoldyk. Its not kill or no)), but i saw 0.001% hp on myth bosses in my lifetime))

[stoic needle]

I think it also kinda depends on how scuffed your p3 is

[indigo mulch]

^

[limber lion]

Yup

Doomy needs uptime on boss

[vital tapir]

doomy

lmao

[indigo mulch]

I mean just sim it, there you'll have your anwser i suppose.

[stoic needle]

If everyone's alive then you're probably fine with doomblade but if people are dying all over the place zoldyck will be sightly better

[vital tapir]

never heard anyone say doomy

[hollow escarp]

patchewerk execute?

[limber lion]

Can't reaaaaally sim it

[north basin]

Sim will show zoldyk always as execute choice

[stoic needle]

In terms of getting a kill

[limber lion]

Zoldyck will pull ahead every time

[hollow escarp]

sire isn't really patchwerk

[limber lion]

But it gives you a good idea how they perform

[north basin]

Vibes of my yesterday questions again lol

[limber lion]

Shouldn't trust em blindly though

[indigo mulch]

Sims are almost never applicable in raids though.

But atleast it will give you an idea. :X

[limber lion]

Sims should be used as a reference, not as the bible.

[indigo mulch]

I'm a strong believer that when your progressing sire p3 you should prob not run doomblade.

[north basin]

The good part about zoldyk is that u dont need to swap targets for mutilate on p2

[limber lion]

??????

You don't with Doomy either

[north basin]

Vs doomblade

[limber lion]

Doomblade doesn't work like that

[hollow escarp]

doomblade dot is irrelevant

[stoic needle]

Wait, so my custom two boss hectic add cleave with invulnerability events isn't like slg?

[north basin]

But how u trigger effect

With fok?

[stoic needle]

The dot is actually 50% of Doomblade's damage

But it's like ignite

Muting 1 target vs spreading the dot is the same damage

[limber lion]

I mean, I do use sims like that very often as a reference to how I would play the fight. But yeah, still needs a bit of to make the ultimate decision

[indigo mulch]

I'm still curious to why doomblade would do more damage than zoldycks on p3 sire. o_O

I can't see it D:

Edjucate me pl0x

[hollow escarp]

2 more bleeds for envenom damage?

idk

haven't checked

but so is zoldyck

[stoic needle]

Maybe the zoldyck users didn't have good dot uptime

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is the ultimate choice for P3

[north basin]

And if zoldyk choosen, we cancel our flag covenant talent? For something else?

[stoic needle]

Or bad vendetta timings

[limber lion]

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

[wary ice]

if ur ven w/o lashing scars ur inting ur raid

[north basin]

Ye i mean replacing scars if i pick zoldyk?

[wary ice]

like lashing scars is what makes ven playable

[limber lion]

No

Why would you?

[vital tapir]

never if you're venthyr lol

[limber lion]

And what would you even take?

[north basin]

For more dot damage)

[wary ice]

maim mangle :^)

[limber lion]

Ok here's the next question

[indigo mulch]

Rip brain.

[limber lion]

Which conduit gives us more dot damage?

[north basin]

Scars

No?

[vital tapir]

huh.

[limber lion]

???

[north basin]

))

[vital tapir]

what.

[north basin]

Ohh

[limber lion]

Replace scars with scars?

[north basin]

Dunno

[vital tapir]

I'm confused.

[north basin]

Same

[limber lion]

"I want to replace scars with a conduit that increases our dot damage"

Which conduit increases our dot damage?

"Scars"

[north basin]

Ye bad one

[vital tapir]

[wary ice]

I think maim mangle increases the Mutilate dot from doomblade

🤷‍♀️

[north basin]

Iam not at home right now, dont remember all the names)

[wary ice]

but like at running maim mangle

[vital tapir]

maim mangle increases dmg done to targets with your garrote on iirc (mut dmg)

but somebody should probably correct me

[wary ice]

maimgle.

yah the dots a % of mutilate damage

and its dynamic

[stoic needle]

Maim mangle is unironically better than well placed steel for venthyr tho

[wary ice]

so it should be increased by maimgle

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

Maim mangle is like the 2nd or 3rd best potency depending on covenant

[limber lion]

Yes, that is the correct answer. Maim Mangle increases your Mutilate damage, which in turn increases your Doomblade's dot damage.

[vital tapir]

strenght enchant?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[vital tapir]

[wary ice]

[limber lion]

I was hoping to hear a "Lethal Poisons"

[gusty mirage]

Yeah bro

[limber lion]

But was spared.

[hollow escarp]

[vital tapir]

[hollow escarp]

it doesn't work

I know

[north basin]

Ye something with poisons!!

[vital tapir]

3% you already have don't you?

[gusty mirage]

Imagine not wanting to be stronger

[hollow escarp]

better have backup

in case I forget to enchant

[north basin]

Lethal poisons work better with zoldyk than lashing scars?

[limber lion]

No.

That's the wrong answer

[stoic needle]

Imagine if it didn't have cap

[limber lion]

Lethal Poisons does NOT increase our dot damage.

[wary ice]

If you're playing venthyr

[hollow escarp]

only auto attack

[wary ice]

You slap lashing scars in

[gusty mirage]

Lethal increases the instant damage portion

[wary ice]

and you ignore your potencies forever

[thorny pond]

The problem with lashing is that it's really good

[hollow escarp]

lethal poisons is really cringe

[vital tapir]

it increases your INSTANT poison dmg

[hollow escarp]

it works on all specs I think

[vital tapir]

not dots

iirc

[limber lion]

Yes, the instant damage portion of poisons.

[vital tapir]

ceve correct me if I'm wrong

[stoic needle]

That does work with zold but it's still worse than lashing

[limber lion]

Meaning whenever you muti/melee/fok/pk

But the answer was Maim, Mangle

[hollow escarp]

RH discord always has your back when you say wrong stuff, don't worry

[north basin]

The wow is hard!! And misleading!

[limber lion]

And that's still worse

You always just go with Lashing Scars.

Always, always, always.

"Do I play Lashing Scars in ST?" - Yes.

"Do I play Lashing Scars in M+?" - YES.

[gusty mirage]

But what about if I have 80% mastery like osh?

[limber lion]

"Do I play Lashing Scars in 10 target AOE?" - YES

Ok maybe not in 10 target aoe, that might be a stretch.

[vital tapir]

Do I play lashing scars? YES!

[hollow escarp]

can't wait for the day that somebody unironically uses bell because he read it in #assassination

[gusty mirage]

But I can’t play lashing scars

[thorny pond]

Osh literally

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Covenant conduits are for the gamers.

[hollow escarp]

osh is memeing

[thorny pond]

BoneBaby

[visual prairie]

do i play lashing scars as necro?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[visual prairie]

what about on my warlock?

[hollow escarp]

if you can

yes

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[thorny pond]

Lashing as literally every spec

[vital tapir]

nah dude, bell bis

[north basin]

I mean i copy builds from logs and doing fine orange/pink in hc at least, but i try to understand some mechanics and their synergies, the hard part)

[silent fossil]

https://i.imgur.com/vHLKnJv.png

[hollow escarp]

213 here

[limber lion]

[vital tapir]

same.

[hollow escarp]

only 45% chance to double damage

[wary ice]

imagine playing bonerboys

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

imagine not being a boner

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, that reminds me

I need to go start Prove your Worth now

Before I forget again

[wary ice]

whats that?

[vital tapir]

I don't even have scars 213

[limber lion]

The quest to change covenants

[north basin]

And i understand that bonespike doesnt benefit from zoldyk?

[wary ice]

LOL

[hollow escarp]

it does

[wary ice]

where you goin

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay, we don’t need the extra 6%

[limber lion]

I'm just storing the quest in my questlog so I can instantly swap to Venthyr when I feel the need to

[stoic needle]

I use Bell in boost keys and I'm not sorry about it

[limber lion]

But I want it

[thorny pond]

Osh shadowsteps to necro warriors

[gusty mirage]

I won’t have that chance so I’ve accepted my lack of 6%

[hollow escarp]

it's 6% chance

quite smol

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but I’m a dps whore

[vital tapir]

osh shadowsteps into necro dks

[hollow escarp]

play fire mage

[limber lion]

So if I now click this button, I will still be Necro right?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[limber lion]

And I'll just get the quest

[thorny pond]

Yes

[vital tapir]

idk

[hollow escarp]

do it

[gusty mirage]

I said a dps whore, not a dps skank

[limber lion]

Okay sick

[stoic needle]

Not until you turn in the 2nd part do you change

[thorny pond]

Yep, you'll never be homeless

[limber lion]

Good, good

[north basin]

So zoldyk will increase my raw poisons, flagg, garrote rupture and ct damage by 30% after boss hit 30%? No bullshit?

[limber lion]

No.

What

Where did you get Flag from?

Zoldyck increases your poison and bleed damage by 30%.

[silent fossil]

https://i.imgur.com/9tKWUb4.png

poison and bleed brother

[hollow escarp]

my legendary lost the crafter name after I swapped server

[north basin]

Flag not bleed?

[limber lion]

No, Flag is not a bleed.

Flagellation does shadow damage

[north basin]

Ok

[thorny pond]

Flagellation is a kink not a bleed

[north basin]

Shadowbleed dunno..

Ok)

[limber lion]

No

[hollow escarp]

I can't remember if Sepsis works with Zoldyck

[north basin]

Vampires and not bleed. Again blizzard tricks me

[limber lion]

It literally does not do any damage over time.

Flagellation does shadow damage when you use a finisher

It does not do damage over time.

Bleeds do damage over time

You press garrote once and it does damage for 18s

You press Flag and it does damage when pressed, then it does nothing

[silent fossil]

[hollow escarp]

it's a debuff, not a dot

if it makes it easier to differentiate

well, dots are also debuffs

[limber lion]

Bleeds are dots.

Flagellation is not a dot.

[thorny pond]

all dots are debuffs but not all debuffs are dots - square/rectangle situation

[grand ridge]

Looks at icon for flagellation

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[grand ridge]

Heh you thought it was a bleed that's dumb

[hollow escarp]

but we are in the shadowlands

so it's shadow damage

[grand ridge]

Sbs on the other hand definitely a bleed

[hollow escarp]

[north basin]

sepsis was bleed?

[hollow escarp]

it's complicated

[limber lion]

No.

It's a nature DOT.

Not a bleed.

[hollow escarp]

in real life it's both

[limber lion]

Yeh, irl it's pretty op

Poison bleed

[hollow escarp]

it scales pretty well with other nature debuffs

[north basin]

tricky blizz(

[limber lion]

Not really.

If you read the tooltips, they are usually pretty clear in what they do.

Numbers might be dingdong but usually the effect is correct.

[gusty mirage]

I like this description “might be dingdong”

[loud latch]

Hey guys im pretty new to rogue ive seen contradicting arguments in this in different places but trust the info here haha. If im necrolord where should SBS fit into my opener with MA?

[limber lion]

You would open with SBS in the very opener.

So SBS - SnD - Mutilate

When you vanish during the encounter afterwards, you don't want to use SBS during MA windows anymore.

You just dump all SBS charges during Heirmir's Gemstone procs.

[alpine latch]

Are there any trinkets I should worry about as far as sim traps are concerned?

[hollow escarp]

the word

[limber lion]

There isn't really "sim traps" per say.

[hollow escarp]

there is no sim trap, only human trap

[limber lion]

But IQD can be tricky to get full value out of on some fights, Shadowgrasp totem is placed under the boss so if he moves you lose value

[alpine latch]

Yeah, IQD is great on some fights - and awful for others. lol

[limber lion]

It's great for all fights honestly

Except SKS

That's the only one.

[alpine latch]

SKS is hard. Definitely

[limber lion]

And that's because the whole point of the fight is to starve the healers mana

[loud latch]

Ah ok this makes sense to me! A couple of the guides seemed to suggest you would use it at the same time you would use flagellation in the opener so wanted to make sure

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's a very slight gain to use it as your first gcd just to get the dot rolling

The guides are tailored for readability and ease of use. Swapping from Venthyr won't change your rotation much, unless you want to get the maximum value out of everything.

We're talking about very marginal gains here, so they are often disregarded on guides.

[loud latch]

yeah that seems reasonable. Thank you so much for your help

[limber lion]

No worries.

[odd hazel]

sad that for me IQD sims better then dreadfire

[hollow escarp]

233 dreadfire?

[limber lion]

Are you Venthyr?

[odd hazel]

not sure on that one because doubt i'll see mythic but, both 220 ye

yes

[limber lion]

Yeah that's why

IQD sims very highly for Venthyr.

[hollow escarp]

220 dreadfire is bad if you have some good 226 trinkets

[odd hazel]

currently sitting with a 213 Phial/220 decanter(while i upgrade my IQD)

[limber lion]

I was rocking 220 IQD and 220 Phial for a gooood while

[odd hazel]

it'll prob be what i rock for the rest of the patch, doubt i'll see sire mythic

[limber lion]

Just recently got a 226 Hateful Chain and swapped to Necro so now both of those trinkets lost value

[silent fossil]

im a chain dreadfire boi

i do like 1 key a week max

[odd hazel]

Oof

[hollow escarp]

[odd hazel]

kick KoJack cause of that phial

[hollow escarp]

I looted 3 phials from M+ alone

traded to guardian druid

sbs dot not affected by Nighstalker?

[limber lion]

Nope

[silent fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4QDRdPE9dhx6fS76oJDHkf

phial big 28 dps from vault

[limber lion]

This man has a 233 dagger, 233 dreadfire and 233 shoulders, but he's rocking a 220 hat.

[silent fossil]

it doesnt drop

i have to miss one week every month due to cyclic swing shift work schedule and the last week i had to miss 2 dropped in one kill

[spice spire]

OOOOOOOF

[silent fossil]

all 3 of our moonkins and dh have it

[limber lion]

Well, we had to extend last week and we only managed to kill Sludge and SLG from whom I didn't get a single drop

No vault and no Sire drops

Hah.

hah

[hollow escarp]

why extend though?

to get sire kill for benched players?

[limber lion]

SLG/Sire for trials/benchees

[hollow escarp]

makes sense

[limber lion]

But after failing to do Sire last week, we recleared again this week

No point extending just for Sire again

[hollow escarp]

ahh, and you also missed raid

[limber lion]

Yep

Well

It's okay

After getting some practice in, I think we'll get better at it

Just need to unlock the Sludge skip

[silent fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ppe36ooKs2DRm1rKRJTFdn

im just gonna be a vigor ep gamer

[hollow jungle]

windfury

[hollow escarp]

that's how you sim

it's a party buff and if you have an enha, it will 100% be in the melee group

[hollow jungle]

yea, you sim it if you have it.

imagine having an enhance

[limber lion]

You pretty much always sim it.

[hollow jungle]

um no?

[limber lion]

It's part of the default sim setup.

Welp okay

[hollow escarp]

[hollow jungle]

why would you sim shit you don't have? lmfao

[hollow escarp]

you are lucky he is sleeping

[limber lion]

For maximum e-peen

[silent fossil]

do people care what the number is? lol i thought it was just for it to tell me what to use

[hollow escarp]

well, we wanna know how close to max dps we are

[limber lion]

do people care about parses?

[hollow escarp]

which is 7300

[limber lion]

do people care about r.io?

It's all a numbers game.

Everyone wants to have as high of a number in everything that they do

Be it 99/100 parses, 5k rio or a 7.3k sim.

But yes, if you're simming for a certain fight or actually looking for upgrades, then you shouldn't necessarily sim with WFT.

Doubt it makes much of a difference in what you wear or use, but anyways.

[rocky pecan]

7.3 with 227 ilvl is that even good ? 😒

i'm almost at 7K with 219 ...

[limber lion]

The bis profile with Dreadfire is 7.3k

At 229

[rocky pecan]

ok ok

i though could be more

[limber lion]

7.4k is possible for Venthyr with IQD.

[north basin]

guys . cleansing pain also doesnt getting reduced by feint? on myth dena

[limber lion]

No.

[north basin]

fuck. stupid ability

its clearly aoe xD

[alpine latch]

If you cloak CP does it still remove the stack? Or no

I've never actually tried

[mighty owl]

It doesn’t remove stack

[alpine latch]

Makes sense. Just figured I'd ask, lol

[limber lion]

Yeah, never use cloak on it. It just messes everything up

[alpine latch]

I normally cloak a force choke anyway

[limber lion]

Use it on the Blood Price instead.

[alpine latch]

yeah

[rustic whale]

i think EP/Vig is common question todays?

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

[rustic whale]

EP/VG vs BS/DS

[north basin]

btw nadjia last ability makes denatrius do 1.5% less damage? at least this works?XD

[limber lion]

Yes.

[limber lion]

Depends on the fight. For pure ST you want BS/DS generally.

[rustic whale]

i dont know man , i just cant play high dps when i spec BS/DS

[limber lion]

Then just stick to EP/Vig.

They are very similar in output.

[rustic whale]

spec feels very slow when i go bs/ds

[limber lion]

If you play better and get better results with EP/Vig, then stick with it

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's the beauty of Assassination

[rustic whale]

also i switched venthry to necro for a week to try raiding

my sight is Venthry far ahead for raiding

now i m venthry ofc

[wary pawn]

sounds like bs

[limber lion]

I mean, it is the better choice for burst and ST encounters.

But Necrolord is superior on AoE fights.

[fallen arch]

I’d like to see that sim please

[hollow escarp]

I'm 6900 with 226

[teal bloom]

I am 6.3k with ilevel 219, I am night fae though lol

[rustic whale]

😄

[fallen arch]

I’m 6.35 with 218

[limber lion]

Don't worry, changing your covenant will not give you 700 dps.

[rustic whale]

6.7k 224ilvl for me

[fallen arch]

On scale from 0 to 7k, technically 6.3k is almost 7k

Still want to see tho

[rustic whale]

must be patchwerk sim tho

[limber lion]

Ya'll just getting baited

[rustic whale]

😄

we bit

[fallen arch]

Maybe he hit 7k once on first boss mists

[hollow escarp]

not even 20k?

[teal bloom]

How high dps have you guys gotten max at first boss of mists?

[rustic whale]

i saw 24k (fight ends)

[hollow escarp]

around 20k but not at the end

[rustic whale]

PI taken by priest

[hollow escarp]

just peeked and noticed 😄

[rustic whale]

also popped agi pot

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gW17nd2HH1ExQbmc1NTgQZ
oh look

A 7.4k sim with 215 ilvl

:O

[hollow escarp]

nice main hand

[limber lion]

Didn't have anything else to lower my ilvl with

lol

That and the trinkets

[hollow escarp]

you reminded me of somebody simming for pvp

with the desktop app

[fallen arch]

[limber lion]

What's wrong with it?

[fallen arch]

Trying to find out

[spice spire]

The socket on the weapon GAMER

[limber lion]

What socket?

[hollow escarp]

it's just tertiary stat

[limber lion]

[fallen arch]

Is this the windfury totem’s doing?

[limber lion]

No

[fallen arch]

No clue what happened then

[limber lion]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-oops-ouch-well-maybe-gif-15443300

[rain edge]

hey all. got some more logs to look again. any and all comments are much appreciated!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZbjGBvXCfVPKpyJ3#fight=15&type=damage-done&source=18
aside from obvious sloppy opener, im trying to figure out some more areas I can improve. thanks!

[limber lion]

Hello!
I'll take a look at your log, just give me a few minutes. Need to order some food first.

[spice spire]

Is the APL working with the trinket passive correctly @limber lion ?

Actual question btw, not trolling

[limber lion]

It is.

It's nothing to do with the trinkets, talents, weapons or anything like that

[teal bloom]

The robot just hit the envenom button harder

[rain edge]

what are you ordering

[hollow escarp]

[spice spire]

One thing I’ll note is that your garrote and Rupture damage are a bit low. It’s important to keep them up at all times on the puppies and boss

[solar hare]

Why tf do you have 75% crit

What is this

[spice spire]

That’s the biggest thing, I compared my last log (I’m an actual potato so pls don’t follow what I do) and that’s the big difference between us

[solar hare]

One of these things is not like the others

[spice spire]

Lmao

[solar hare]

Oh that helmet is uh

Very good

[rain edge]

awesome, yea i try to keep it on both as much as possible but they fall off whenever either one is kited out and around

[solar hare]

Seems right

Ok investigations solved back to my business

[plain thistle]

shhhhh

[limber lion]

@rain edge

1. Your bleed uptime on Huntsman and the dogs needs some work. On Huntsman, your garrote was at 66% and Rupture at 78%. Ideally you want both of these to be at 98-99%. On a 2-target encounter you want to have both Garrote and Rupture on both targets at all times. Are you aware of the pandemic refresh mechanic?

2. You should consider trying different talents for Huntsman. Because it's a pure 2-target scenario, your talent choices change quite a bit. Elaborate Planning and Crimson Tempest are both safe choices, with MFD/Vigor and Subt/MA being more preference.

3. Like you said yourself, the opener is a bit clunky. I mean, you do your **single target** rotation perfectly - in a **2 target** encounter. Try to sim for 2-target and see what the bot does, or look up a few top logs and try to replicate what they are doing. I can elaborate this as well and suggest an opener if you would like.

4. You missed out on some Shiv casts. Make sure not to hold Shiv and just use it on cooldown.

Everything else looks pretty good, you don't overcap on energy (but that's mostly because you don't have a second target debuffed with bleeds either) and your rotation overall is pretty decent. Just need to work a bit on the 2-target scenario.

Good luck!

@solar hare

Master detective.

[solar hare]

I was going thru the simc and im like

[limber lion]

Just some MaccyD's. Haven't had McD in a while

[solar hare]

No way this energy gen is normal

Checks stats

[alpine latch]

@limber lion If I'm low on energy and Shiv comes up, do I pop Shiv and just sit on it? Or pool for envenom, shiv -> envenom?

[compact pumice]

If shiv is off CD your next button press should be shiv

[limber lion]

You always press Shiv when it comes off cooldown.

You should be pooling energy and preparing combo points before that. So you have to think 10s ahead.

[alpine latch]

okay, so even if I'm just autoing and pooling for envenom I still pop it

Good to know

yeah

[limber lion]

No, during Shiv windows you don't pool anymore.

[alpine latch]

In a perfect world I wouldn't suck 😂

[limber lion]

During Shiv windows you slam everything

You pool outside of Shiv windows and cooldowns.

[compact pumice]

when shiv is counting down inc in like 5 seconds you can start to "prepare for it" as long as you don't overcap energy or CP (well except for the CP gained from shiv)

[rain edge]

this is great, thanks so much. can I ask where youre seeing the 66% and 78% uptime? from where im looking, it shows 94.73% and 92.65% for garrote and rupture

[alpine latch]

Look at the uptime for just Huntsman, then just the dogs

That should give you a better idea of where those numbers come from

[limber lion]

@rain edge Oh and another thing; your kill was quite slow, meaning that parsing well on it will be very difficult. A faster kill means a better parse.

[rain edge]

i seeeee

thanks @alpine latch

[limber lion]

Yeah that's because you are looking at the overall bleed uptimes, which takes into account the dogs and Huntsman

You need to specify the target.

But you should be seeing 98% uptime on both bleeds on every dog and on the boss

[rain edge]

oh shiet

ouch..

[limber lion]

No worries, just needs some practice!

And good nameplates to go with it, so it's easier to track

[rain edge]

yea i figured kill time had something to do with it also, i asked about it before as well

[frosty bridge]

What time show I set on raidbots for patchwerk sims?

[limber lion]

Sorry?

I mean the default is a 5 minute patchwork

[frosty bridge]

As in length

Just stick to 5 I guess?

[limber lion]

It depends on what you want to sim

[north basin]

btw how do i reduce damage from impale? dena myth

[frosty bridge]

Specifically for Sire I guess

[limber lion]

Can't really sim for Sire tbh

Should just go look at the top logs in WCL and see what the top players are using and copy them

[hollow escarp]

uhm

[frosty bridge]

Well i am talking about gear speicifically though

[limber lion]

Well

You can't really sim for Sire

You can sim for execute patchwork

Or patchwork

Or cleave add

And see how they compare

And then make decisions based on the sim results

[hollow escarp]

@limber lion

42 CT

[frosty bridge]

I asked what length to set on patchwerk when doing a "general" sim for ST

[limber lion]

Welp EP has been seeing a storm of users lately

[limber lion]

And I told you

[hollow escarp]

isn't it mostly for Sire parsing?

[limber lion]

The default is 5 min patchwork

Also that's not what you asked

[frosty bridge]

And I asked should I just stick to 5

[limber lion]

You specified Sire later

[frosty bridge]

Because oyu said this

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly

[frosty bridge]

You probably meant gear or talents though :D

[limber lion]

If you sim Patchwork 5 mins

[frosty bridge]

So just a misunderstanding

[limber lion]

You are not simming for Sire

No

I mean the fight

If you sim for Huntsman, you don't sim Patchwork 5 mins

But again

You cannot really sim for Sire

So do like I said earlier

[frosty bridge]

Got you, thanks

[limber lion]

Which is simming patchwork, cleave add and execute

And then look at all 3 results

And see what the sims do

[north basin]

elaborate planing on sire its coz u have influx of energy via multidoting ? so u have better uptime

[limber lion]

And then base your choices on all 3.

[limber lion]

It's more damage in P1 and P2.

[north basin]

more damage coz?

[stoic needle]

blindside > ep for sire prog

not even close

[frosty bridge]

So for P3 just 4 minute execute?

[stoic needle]

EP is for parsing

[limber lion]

3

[frosty bridge]

Cheers

[north basin]

ok so fuck padding .i go blindside

xD

coz prog deba

dena

[limber lion]

Yes

[rain edge]

what settings would you chose to sim huntsman? patchwerk 2 bosses 5 mins?

[limber lion]

Patchwork, 2 targets, 4 minutes.

[halcyon zealot]

sim monkeys out in full force this morning

[stoic needle]

the what now

[dawn ivy]

people askin questions and shit

tryin to better themselves and shit

[halcyon zealot]

imagine

[rain edge]

got to do what i got to do

[halcyon zealot]

nah i’m jp @rain edge

[rain edge]

with out guild more like 5 mins lol

our*

[limber lion]

Yeh, then sim for 5 mins.

[rain edge]

lol

[heady steppe]

Hi guys, I'm new to this game and new to rogue. I looked up about how stats prio works for assassination and most people say stack haste first and crit, they said haste has a dps breaking point around 17%, 23% or something like that. Does that mean we basically ignore mastery and versatility? Also there are some say to keep stats balanced, how many percent of each stats is good to reach? I tried sim it and I have no idea how much what the number means

[limber lion]

No.

There are no stat breakpoints in the game.

You don't want a certain % of any stat. For now you only want ilvl and ilvl only. When you are closer to like 225 ilvl, then you can start looking at secondaries.

You don't ignore any stats

You want everything.

You should not use Stat Weights as a basis for your character and instead should just sim yourself using Top Gear.

[balmy condor]

^

But also welcome!

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

[heady steppe]

Got it, thank you very much for the advice, I will just go for higher ilvl then, I was worried since i played almost perfectly in mythic+ with a rogue that's slightly lower ilvl than me, he always out damage me, maybe there are some conduit difference? I also counted he has slightly more haste

Thank you : )

[limber lion]

I highly doubt you played "almost perfectly" then.

There is no such thing as "perfect gameplay" among us mortals.

You should just not look at conduits/stats/covenants/gear

You should instead focus on talents/legendaries and MAINLY on your own performance.

[heady steppe]

me and the rogue did exact samething and same talent thats' what im curious about

[limber lion]

You can send us a log or a VOD of you playing and we can analyze your gameplay*

[heady steppe]

the difference is not significant but he do has the fang of knive conduit for crit chance, but i do more dmg on single target it seems :/

[limber lion]

The conduit is very very minimal

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’d also lean on player error more than any gear

[stoic needle]

no offense, but if you're new to the game and new to rogue, you didn't play the mythic+ key perfectly

there's people who've been playing assassination rogue in m+ for years and they still don't play perfectly

[spice spire]

Especially in aoe, there are many choices you have to make as you’re a tab n’ stab gamer as sin

[hollow river]

I raid single target with fok conduit. Cba

[limber lion]

I've never even used the damn thing.

[dawn ivy]

someone do the math is 5% more crit worth using fok on ST over mut

[hollow river]

I’m mainly trying to up my m+ gameplay and I haven’t u locked heirmir just yet

[heady steppe]

hmmm what I saw on youtube says put garrote up to 3-4 target, then 5 point crimson tempest and then put rupture on everyohne, then sliec and dice ? Is there a more optimal way of opening for aoes?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

HUH

[balmy condor]

I don’t need math for that

[hollow river]

Lol I never use fok in raid except for sire p1

[limber lion]

Should be getting SnD up quicker, but yeh looks fine

[heady steppe]

I will def try put that up first next time

[stoic needle]

[hollow river]

Doesn’t SnD get left out at a certain number of mobs? Like 6?

[balmy condor]

No

[stoic needle]

technicially yes

[balmy condor]

You refresh it with envenom

No

[hollow river]

😮

[balmy condor]

Technically no

Practically no

Just no

You cast it once at the start of the dungeon

[hollow river]

What if I never envenom

[worthy moat]

With m+ you should have a really high uptime with it since you would be refreshing it with envenom

[balmy condor]

That’s a mistake

You cast envenom in aoe specifically to refresh snd

[hollow river]

So snd pandemic - envenom should take priority over refreshing pandemic ruptures?

[balmy condor]

Yes

It takes priority over everything

[hollow river]

Wow no wonder my dam isn’t on par

[balmy condor]

Well I doubt that’s the reason

[limber lion]

I doubt that's the reason

lol

[balmy condor]

But it probably doesn’t help

[hollow river]

I mean I can usually pull 5k overall at 210 ilvl

[balmy condor]

Seems fine to me

[hollow river]

But I’m bad

223 ilvl in my guild can pull 7-7.2k

[stoic needle]

i could've sworn that the apl said not to refresh snd at 6 targets not too long ago

[limber lion]

Hit me up when he does that on Theater of Pain

[balmy condor]

Yeh, last patch

[hollow river]

I just wanna do better

@limber lion

[limber lion]

Getting your ilvl up helps immensely.

[stoic needle]

not dying is the most important thing you can do for your dps in a key

[hollow river]

How do I weave my SBS into rotation properly 😮

[limber lion]

Gar everything, snd up, sbs everything, ruptures on everything

[rain edge]

would it be worth switching over to outlaw for higher m+ like 17s and up

[limber lion]

Not necessarily.

[stoic needle]

[hollow river]

I normally garrotes-CT or snd- fok-ruptures or ct and then dump my SBS for CP

[limber lion]

Yeah that's fine.

[stoic needle]

you should sbs > rupture

[limber lion]

Just sbs everything around you

[hollow river]

So spread SBS before I fok

Kk

[stoic needle]

do one fok initially to spread poison

but after that you sbs > rupture

[hollow river]

Oo

[rain edge]

why not? granted im not going to MDI or anything but seems like highest ranked rogue spec in m+ are outlaw

[stoic needle]

gar x 3 > fok > ct > sbs > rupture until you're out of charges, garrote on cd, continue spreading ruptures and envenom to refresh snd and if things don't live long

[limber lion]

Exactly

The highest ranks

Meaning the people who do 25s

[hollow river]

Ryfie be doing them 25s n stuff as sin

[limber lion]

And you're not one of them

[stoic needle]

i mean you can if you want to but you don't have to play outlaw

[limber lion]

They have similar dps output, Outlaw has more utility.

[heady steppe]

what's sbs stand for?

[limber lion]

Serrated Bone Spike

[heady steppe]

Ooo

[rain edge]

[gusty mirage]

Don’t let your dreams be dreams I believe in you

[undone eagle]

guys at SLG mythic do u wanna FoK 24/7 for dots? cuz 5-6 mobs

[rain edge]

keep an eye for my name in top ranks

[fallen arch]

We will if sin

If outlaw, nvm

[warped temple]

I believe in you

[indigo mulch]

Just fok for cp and burn goliath.

[undone eagle]

ty mate

i wanna garrote + CT + rupture all mobs around right

[indigo mulch]

You can only really do priority damage as sin on SLG mythic.

[undone eagle]

and envenom goliath as much as i can

[indigo mulch]

I personally feel like your gimping your raid if you play sin during progression but i know there are people out there playing it.

[undone eagle]

well they needed me for tonights raid xD and its so messy for sin

a lot of bleed targets etc

like m+

[indigo mulch]

There is no point really

Just go full ham on goliaths

[limber lion]

You want to apply Garrote/Rupture on the boss and the Goliath and only use SBS/CT on the Skirmishers

[indigo mulch]

thats going to be your job.

[limber lion]

Using Ruptures on skirmishers is wasted energy.

[undone eagle]

really thanks

SBS?

[royal lantern]

you mean CT on skirmishers

cus SBS is cringe

[limber lion]

Serrated Bonespike, doesn't matter if you're Venthyr

[undone eagle]

i just followed warcraft logs talent i guess its fine

ah right im venthyr

[limber lion]

Those are fine talents yes.

[undone eagle]

how about commanders?

also CT only?

[limber lion]

Wait, some dude with 5 PI's got a better log than me. >:(

[indigo mulch]

Like i said, just ask them what needs to die fastest and you sit on that target 24/7, sin rogues aoe burst is next to nothing so you might aswell just focus on priority targets. Aka goliaths or trying to balance out health on Skirmishers.

[limber lion]

I literally lost rank 1 Sire log to a PI user by 7 dps, and now I lost rank 1 SLG log to a PI user by 8 dps.

[indigo mulch]

KEKW

Feelsbad though

[limber lion]

Depends on the tactic honestly

If you're doing the burst tactic, then you dot everything up with everything and just fok/Env during the shields

If you're doing the slow strat, you're probably not allowed to touch the commandos much

[indigo mulch]

I mean you always wanna attack whats lowest since you prob pump more ST than people pumping aoe during that phase.

Slow strat? D:

5+ commandos then burst?

o0

[limber lion]

That's the quick strat.

[indigo mulch]

Oh is it now, i had no idea, i just went with my gut feeling when i was raidleading that shit

[strange python]

[gusty mirage]

Another Ryfie spotting

[strange python]

slow strat seems a lot more reliable

[gusty mirage]

I do more damage as sin than I do as outlaw in m+, and I think it’s because I’m just terrible at outlaw

[strange python]

but people have to actually not be pepegas and stop dps when told

[gusty mirage]

99 parse sludge as outlaw can’t break 6k dps overall in m+

[cloud reef]

is haste mastery better for M+/cleave?

[gusty mirage]

Crit mastery

[shy dust]

Idk about more reliable

Generally the less time you can spend in combat the better

[strange python]

i got a rank 3 when i first killed it but it was the speed strat

now i parse like green doing the slow strat

[stoic needle]

for SLG you play it similar to council, keep garotte and rupture up on the goliath and the boss and sbs and maybe a 3rd garotte on the adds to get more cp to do more goliath/boss damage

[fallen arch]

Same

[stoic needle]

and keep up ct

[final star]

!oils

!oil

[stoic needle]

!oil

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

moroes ded

[balmy condor]

!oil

What the

@vestal wren send help

[hallow coyote]

Yeah I did the WA one the other day, got nothing

[balmy condor]

Moroes pings but not commands

[little basalt]

Moroes deserves a vacation too

[vestal wren]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[vestal wren]

seemed like permissions did get fucked (again)

[spice spire]

Fuu saving the day

[gusty mirage]

Makes sense, ping the robot to fix the other robot

[balmy condor]

Robot 1 ping robot 2 to fix robot 3

In order to make robot 3 help robot 1

[vestal wren]

it was not a robot issue tho, because channel permission did not allow moroes to post

[limber lion]

channel >:(

stop break robot

[gusty mirage]

Well there’s only one solution, burn the entire channel down and start over

[rain edge]

!bis

jk

[limber lion]

robot no like this

no no no

[vestal wren]

there is no !bis

[gusty mirage]

New pin to make Whispyr’s life easier: “Fuck off”

[vestal wren]

na, we want to be nice

[gusty mirage]

“Frick on”?

[stoic needle]

!scaling

!mastery

[gusty mirage]

Can we get a “fuck off osh” for !mastery?

[stoic needle]

wow

[gusty mirage]

Can’t spell toxic without oxi

[silent fossil]

more toxic than ur poisons with mastery stacking

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

I still support you Osh

I'm a damn lemming. Follow him till the end

[stoic needle]

*man of culture

[limber lion]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[gusty mirage]

I still love osh, I troll him out of love

[thorny pond]

One day he'll be right

[gusty mirage]

He’s like that crazy uncle at the family reunion you like a lot cause he’s cool af

[thorny pond]

And then get the biggest "I told you so"

Like everyone who bought doge

[gusty mirage]

Maybe, maybe not

But it doesn’t mean we can’t tear on him until then

[thorny pond]

Tbf the banner and IQD mastery proc was stupid. Hit some big ol' numbers

[strange python]

6 more days till i can switch back to necro 😴

[cloud reef]

does numbing poison work on raid bosses to slow attack speed?

[nimble tartan]

yes

i think u should always wear it mandatory no lis

lie

pretty big deal for tank dam

esp on sludge and on denath it stacks with lock curse thing

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't call it a big deal

but it does help

[nimble tartan]

i think its really good and an auto put on every fight forever

[strange python]

does it actually apply on bosses

[nimble tartan]

yes

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

well til

[nimble tartan]

yeah its one of those things that fell through the info cracks we gotta peddle this to the masses

very nice rogue utility 😆

[balmy condor]

or we don't peddle it

cause it's not impressive

and warlocks already have a better version

[strange python]

we are like melee warlocks now

with our insane raid util

wait till everyone finds out

[nimble tartan]

they stack whispyr

[balmy condor]

yes

they do

what does that change about what I said

[nimble tartan]

it doesnt hurt i think its just info that people dont know and its valuable

its just something people miss and info i think could be added somewhere however negligible u think it is

[balmy condor]

it's not that valuable

[compact pumice]

Imagine having raid utility

[balmy condor]

it's 6 autos on sludge

[nimble tartan]

this a class info discord bro

[strange python]

pretty small yeah but like worth knowing and abiding by it

[nimble tartan]

it only helps!

and its something a decent amount of rogues dont know!! 😋

mfs playin wit apls for +6 dam but wont put a line about mind mumbing working on bosses

[balmy condor]

?

[nimble tartan]

mfs playin wit apls for +6 dam but wont put a line about mind mumbing working on bosses

[limber lion]

?

[nimble tartan]

mfs playin wit apls for +6 dam but wont put a line about mind mumbing working on bosses

[gusty mirage]

[compact pumice]

"Can someone check my log please and see what I did wrong"

You didn't put on mind numbing poison so the unkillable tank took a bit more damage

[gusty mirage]

The mental gymnastics that statement took to come full circle is impressive, I’ll give you that

[nimble tartan]

im just trying to midmax

[balmy condor]

put a line where tho

like in the APL?

why would you put mindnumbing in apl

[nimble tartan]

in the pin bro

[spice spire]

Midmax

[nimble tartan]

im trying to midmax the pins with info

[gusty mirage]

This is the hill you’re deciding to die on?

If your tank’s dying to auto attacks you got a lot more issues than not using mind numbing poison bruh

[nimble tartan]

i just want whats best for all my rogue brothers if that means 6 less autos thats midmax bro

[gusty mirage]

I hate it here

[balmy condor]

holy shit can you stop saying midmax that's actually tilting

[nimble tartan]

wym??

[spice spire]

It’s min-max

[halcyon zealot]

can we cloak the suck in from hand of destruction in sire p2

[balmy condor]

no

[nimble tartan]

i dont play for minimum so i set a bar at midmax personally

[halcyon zealot]

kk didn’t think so, RL asking

[spice spire]

That’s not what that means at all

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-seriously-so-what-gif-13009342

[lean coral]

Lmao what is happening

[sudden hound]

midmax'ing bro

[gusty mirage]

Run away while you still can

Send for help

[nimble tartan]

a lot of minimum effort going on shaydd

[spice spire]

This is a top ten troll. I only hope it’s intentional

[balmy condor]

omr is a ravenholdt boomer

I try to take him seriously

and every time I just regret it

[compact pumice]

I'm guessing you're trolling but the minimum in min-max is about minimizing certain things you don't want a lot of, like Downtime or Damage Taken, while max is about maximizing the things you want like DPS and Uptimes

[lean coral]

Naw this is great

[shy dust]

I like it Omr. Strive for greatness or at least the midway point.

[visual prairie]

wait, who is max?

[gusty mirage]

The guy who runs limit I think

[steep reef]

If you think about it if you mid-max instead of min-max you’ll always have a safe raid spot and can continuously climb cause you never have a minimum parse

Whispyr, Omr just a revolutionary redefining how to think about the game bro

[visual prairie]

why not max-max then? we've been doing it wrong

also, mfs playin wit apls for +6 dam but wont put a line about mind mumbing working on bosses

[steep reef]

not everyone capable of going maxmax

[nimble tartan]

u think Michael jordan played like the greatest of all time every game? some games he played mid but never min

maxmax is not possible

[steep reef]

yea fleep not everyone logs into CN at 100% sometimes when ur on shriekwing and you cloak when the boss is running around you forget to activate sprint to refresh dots

[visual prairie]

does sprint refresh dots? I gotta start reading tooltips

[steep reef]

no so you can run and hit the boss

[balmy condor]

[steep reef]

Fleep???

[spice spire]

Bro what is happening??

[lean coral]

Rip all the new rogues that read any of this lol

[gusty mirage]

Maybe not with that attitude, but why settle for middle when you can be the best

[spice spire]

RIP my brain cells for reading this

[balmy condor]

time to end this convo

[steep reef]

wdym rogues who are new can now midmax with mind numbing

[spice spire]

It certainly is mind numbing

[steep reef]

do you run mind numbing the extra 6 autos on sludge isn’t a 0 sum game that helps!!

[gusty mirage]

Can we go back to talking about scaling and iqd being sim bait? Those awful discussions hurt my soul less than this

[steep reef]

if you play with paper tanks ur like a second warlock

[balmy condor]

did you guys know that CT is actually noticeably better on venthyr

[steep reef]

yea can we run through the CT opener again

[gusty mirage]

I heard that things that increase bleed damage make bleed talents do more damage, can you confirm this?

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

can confirm

[gusty mirage]

[lament dove]

but as necro I can get more CPs with bone spike and I can do CT from those CPs -> more CT !

[strange python]

venthyr red

bleed red

only makes sense

[gusty mirage]

Go kyrian for the combo point lotto with your CT

Know what’s better than a 5cp CT? A 7pt one

[plucky sluice]

we just killed SLG now and i want to play sin at sire... for first progress which talents would you recommend?

[lament dove]

in the opener

[balmy condor]

BS deeper CT

[strange python]

ep ma vigor poison bomb

[lean coral]

^^^

That's what I've been using

[limber lion]

oh no

[steep reef]

I play zoldyck cause it helps me channel my inner killua

[lean coral]

I started out with CT but the adds all insta die anyways

[limber lion]

Yeah because you take CT for the adds

[gusty mirage]

PB with zoldyk makes cev drink. Pls his liver can’t handle anymore

[limber lion]

[nimble tartan]

my guild doesnt need me to hit cabalists other than my bleeds for energy they die nicely so i just full send denath and go blindside deeper pb

thats how i mid maxed blue parse but rank 22 boss dam a true team player

[strange python]

i mean if you just started progressing

its going to be a while