assassination

[limber lion]

They have said they are not planning to add a refund mechanic or a mechanic to change slots/missives

[hollow escarp]

didn't Ion said something different?

probably misunderstood

[limber lion]

That's literally what Ion said

He wants to add a system like that in the future

But not in 9.1

[burnt star]

also it might be more about changing stat than complete refund

but tbh we dont really need a full refund.. just allow us to change the base basicly

base + stat. thats probly the same coding anyways

[short jungle]

something i forgot about conduits

lashing scar (venthyr) or well placed steel?

[limber lion]

Lashing Scars for all content as Venthyr.

[lost mist]

Pretty happy with mfd (artificer m there) ❤️ (but i got pi on vendetta, so my soul isnt worthy)

I think the new venthyr leggo will sync very well with that build, because of EP plus mfd on every flag, but i will test it when the time comes (doomblade still too good :( )

[wispy hazel]

Was wondering which legendary I should craft for my first legendary

[lost mist]

Doomblade for raid, Zoldyck>MA for m+ (Zold isn't useless for raiding)

[wispy hazel]

Okay, thanks

[potent rune]

Haste and crit for leggos i believe

[dull osprey]

the new fae leggo, what does it mean "Your ability used from stealth" is it talking about sepsis?

[hollow escarp]

yes

sepsis gives you a free use of stealth ability

[dull osprey]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[hollow escarp]

it's referring to that one

[dull osprey]

gotcha

I thought it was saying using sepsis on a target with spesis on it gave the buff

which I figured was wrong which is why I was confused

[hollow escarp]

the tooltip is a bit weird

[dull osprey]

still seems wack

I like fae for the aesthetics, but necro is looking better and better

[royal lantern]

venthyr or 👉 🚪

[dense axle]

Necro bois 4ever

[hollow escarp]

or until they buff another covenant

[dull osprey]

lmao

thats why I don't want to swap from Fae. I like the feel of the zone all that. Sepsis itself is kinda meh

[compact pumice]

Just go hang out in another zone

You're not locked to your covenant's zone

[dense axle]

I like SBS charges for fitting more cp into a shiv window

[dull osprey]

I've also grown to really use soulshape a lot

I mean, its a minor thing that I would just get used to again

[hollow escarp]

soulshape is a big thing

[compact pumice]

Soulshape is the only reason to be Fae tbh

[hollow escarp]

probably the best feature of NF

[dull osprey]

ngl, getting rooted then soulshape blink -> envenom kill in pvp feels so good

[lost mist]

Yes, i swaped from NF to 🦇 on sire progress and u have WAY LESS movility, its a harder fight without soulshape, but u get used to it (and the dps gain is huge)

[odd hazel]

its not to bad, you still have sprint/shadow step. as long as you move wisely you should be fine

you also have door

[strange python]

hey guys, I am having trouble understanding when to use the MA Talent + Vanish in raid fights. I understood I used it during Vendetta for obvious reasons, but is there any sort of crit snapshotting when I apply dots during the MA window that I should use... or should I just use that window for direct dmg with mutilate and envenoms?

[odd hazel]

save vanish for shiv

but dont waste a use waiting for vanish to come off CD

[strange python]

you mean shiv + vendetta right?

[odd hazel]

No, you want to use shiv with vanish

[strange python]

Why?

[odd hazel]

mut > snd > mut > gar > vendetta flag > rupture > shiv > vanish > mut > env > mut

Extra nature damage + the crit from MA

im sure someone else can explain better but yeah

[limber lion]

You generally only want to use Mutilates/Envenoms during your Vanish window. There is no snapshotting to do whatsoever with MA.

[sour wraith]

Only thing that snapshots for rogues AFAIK is nightstalker with rupture/CT

[limber lion]

Technically both Exsanguinate and Subterfuge do as well.

[sour wraith]

Ah yea those too

[limber lion]

But you don't play either in raids usually.

Subt on some fights.

[odd hazel]

Ye, my bad for wording that wrong. Shiv before vanishing.

[strange python]

ohhh, ok, now it makes sense yes

[odd hazel]

this is why Cev is here lmao

[strange python]

how are you fitting that GAR there without subt?

[limber lion]

That garrote is not in the MA window anymore. It's just a regular garrote

[sour wraith]

Don't need to be stealthed to garrote

[limber lion]

If that's what you mean.

[strange python]

omggggg

ffs

when did that change

[limber lion]

Never

[strange python]

I was only using it from stealth

god

[limber lion]

You have always been able to use garrote outside of stealth

[strange python]

last time I played my rogue was.... 10 years ago

nah

i TBC or lich king you needed stealth

no?

was I always that dumb

geez

I need to review all ym binds

rofl

[limber lion]

Yeah no sorry, I was just exaggerating

But yeah, that's how Garrote has been for 5+ years now

I think it changed in 7.0

[strange python]

ok

damn

I feel so stupid

how about flagellation, is it worth delaying 30 secs for sync with vendetta?

[odd hazel]

i wouldnt, but that also depends if you would lose a cast of it. ( i think? )
i just use it on CD

[strange python]

ok

[hardy lion]

Hey guys, is anyone experienced here with assa in 3v3? to be more specific, is it possible to gain decent rating with assa with enha and hpal? thanks

[sacred isle]

Check #pvp

[strange python]

why do you rupture AFTER vendetta and not before?

I understand Vendetta doesn't affect rupture application with snapshotting

So I'd rather have an ongoing rupture on the target

[kind talon]

Probably flag

With flag you want to flag with full cp

[strange python]

and use the Vendetta wiundow for more envenoms

[strange python]

yeah, that is clear

[steep reef]

hello #assassination I recently got poisoned irl (covid vaccine, stacks to 2) and I was informed that thistle tea could help but it’s sharing a cd with my health pot (NyQuil) any ideas

[royal lantern]

just cloak it

what else

[old depot]

How long should a reapplying rupture last for it to be more effective than envenom?m+

[strange python]

15 secs

[compact pumice]

You mean on a low hp mob while there are others that will live longer? or you mean on that last sec few sec of a boss?

[strange python]

You reapply Ruptue only if the target lives for 15 secs

Otherwise, you always reapply it in your pandemic window

[old depot]

At how many mob count does CT spam become more effective than envenom?

Assuming you still maintain your other 5-7 poisons on other mobs

[frail fossil]

u dont CT spam anymore i'm pretty sure

u keep it up to as close as 100% uptime u can in any target count

[compact pumice]

Finally got 220 IQD. Gonna try it a bit compared to Skulker's. Anyone got the weakaura for predicting the effects?

[kind talon]

heres a sample opener from a ST shriekwing fight

[hazy crater]

Sin denathrius P2 damage is actually illegal

jeesus

[kind talon]

the main point about the rupture timing is that you are rupturing after flag, and you are syncing flag with vendetta, as soon as you hit max cp, as early as possible

[compact pumice]

you can use vendetta before or after the rupture. Just make sure you don't have too much energy when you pop it so you miss the increased energy at the start

[kind talon]

no

you vendetta before flag no?

and flag at max cp

[compact pumice]

The bot doesn't no

[kind talon]

ah okok

[compact pumice]

Bot does Mut > SND > Mut > Garr > Flag > Rupt > Vend > etc

But if you do

you get a chunkier Flag

and it is about the same DPs

so it doesn't matter

[kind talon]

ye alr

[compact pumice]

as long as you dont get energy capped

[kind talon]

100%

[compact pumice]

then it matters

[kind talon]

so the point is that u have to rupture after flag

but vendetta placement doesnt actually matter

if its before or after rupture

is that correct? @compact pumice

and i assume its different for Necro as well right?

[limber lion]

Yeh, doesn't matter.

[kind talon]

you vendetta always after rupture for necro right or

[limber lion]

Well for Necro you start with SBS, but everything else stays the same.

Doesn't really matter when you Vend

[kind talon]

aight ty

[limber lion]

Whispyr about to lay down the law

[kind talon]

gg

[compact pumice]

Well yeah you get flag up and running earlier if you pop it before rupture. If you don't then use it just before your shiv window

[kind talon]

yup yup

[balmy condor]

Me and gf get in a discord call and fall asleep together I was hard snoozin, but yeh, CT on slg is fine

[kind talon]

does flag get bonus from MA effect?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

It’s a rogue ability

Therefore it gets extra crit for the duration

[limber lion]

Maybe we should use Flag as our first gcd then

[compact pumice]

Yes, and it will still be lashing during MA if you shiv vanish close to popping Flag

oh

wrong reply

target 😛

[kind talon]

😛

[balmy condor]

No, that’s hard trolling

[kind talon]

wondering if u would like

[limber lion]

woosh

[kind talon]

use flag as first gcd in ma window

into either mut env or env mut

[balmy condor]

No

[kind talon]

prolly not

ye

[limber lion]

We had someone here yesterday asking for help

And their rotation was one of the worst I've ever seen

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

It was using Flag as their first gcd

[kind talon]

oh no

[limber lion]

SnD at around 13s

Never used Vanish

[compact pumice]

The "I leveled like this and never took a look at my rotation again"-rotation

[limber lion]

He got a 81 parse from the kill

[compact pumice]

I bet he presses his buttons harder than most then or something

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

Yeh, who would have thought that even with a shitty opener you can do well as sin

Almost as if pressing random abilities at random order can still provide good results

I think Koji did a sim where he had the bot do random stuff and it still did pretty decent

[balmy condor]

Almost like I’ve been saying that for like 4 months

[balmy condor]

I don’t think he did that

[limber lion]

Almost like we all have and people still don't believe it and focus all of their energy on it.

[limber lion]

Ah, okay. He was talking about something similar like a few months ago, could just misremember it.

[balmy condor]

The eternal quote

Was in response to a sim I ran

And he looked into it

And was like

“This doesn’t do anything, turns out you can just randomly hit buttons 10% of the time and it’s fine”

[limber lion]

That's the one

[kind talon]

[compact pumice]

Ok guys, be honest, if you didn't hate Outlaw (I know some of you do) would you go SLG as Outlaw or Assa?

[limber lion]

Depends on the tactic, but probably Outlaw.

[kind talon]

ye probably otl

[limber lion]

It's just much easier to play on SLG

[compact pumice]

Thanks!

[limber lion]

And gets better results consistently

[kind talon]

me also go otl for council

[balmy condor]

What’s an outlaw?

[limber lion]

1: a person excluded from the benefit or protection of the law
2a: a lawless person or a fugitive from the law
b: a person or organization under a ban or restriction
c: one that is unconventional or rebellious
3: an animal (such as a horse) that is wild and unmanageable

[balmy condor]

Animal

Accurate

[limber lion]

Very

[balmy condor]

Outlaw players are chimps

[frail fossil]

ok ty

[thorny pond]

Woah

[balmy condor]

I need my spec to go 3000 miles an hour and be random as fuck in order to keep my attention because I have adhd and hitting a lot of keys really fast masks the sounds of my parents fighting in the other room

[kind talon]

whispyr

please

stop

[balmy condor]

I see I hit close to home

[kind talon]

that was literally me last night

my parents were screaming

in the kitchen

gg

[thorny pond]

Vigor Sin is like a nice medium of the zoomer generation and rogue

[tired vessel]

i only find outlaw super adhd as necro ._.

[little basalt]

This needs to be pinned somewhere

[limber lion]

Why does everyone want everything pinned?

Pin this, pin that

[spice spire]

Pin this

[vagrant bison]

i was simming 5700 with venthyr, now 4900 with necro D:

[limber lion]

Link the sim

Also are you 31 Renown or not?

[vagrant bison]

i am running another one

nono

[limber lion]

Welp

[vagrant bison]

yeah i know, but the St difference is huge, i wasn't expecting that much tbh

[limber lion]

Well if you compare the best ST spec at max renown to any other covenant at 1 renown

of course it's going to be a big drop

For me it dropped from 7062 dps to 6940~

Just around 100 dps.

[vagrant bison]

mhhh

how do you use SBS optimally in st?

[limber lion]

Might wanna get your renown up before you start simming stuff.

[vagrant bison]

i guess you shoulduse all 3 charges during the vendetta?

[limber lion]

You open with it and then you use it during Gemstone windows.

[vagrant bison]

shouldn't you open with (in m plus) with garrote, mut as always?

[final star]

first mythic raid since

jan

got a 97 on huntsman

[limber lion]

If you run Subterfuge, then you always open up with garrote (or 3-4 garrotes on AoE)

[limber lion]

Grats!

[final star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PdKNHL83Ajg7BqG1/#fight=last

CasualBusters pumping

Once everyone has gear it's gonna be big!

[sturdy forge]

go fury warrior. fastest apm class and totaly braindead

[final star]

outlaw is faster

[balmy condor]

outlaw is literally just faster

[limber lion]

[final star]

yup

cheeky mut

apm

[final star]

I coulda defo played it better

hence 97

[limber lion]

Most parses come down to timings

[final star]

Yeah

good timings that kill

just after vendetta

[limber lion]

Fight length is the #1 thing to getting a good parse.

Ye

[final star]

I'll take rank 87

for first mythic raid back

[limber lion]

You got 3 Vendettas and second Vendetta perfectly during lust

[final star]

[limber lion]

I wish.

Here's my Vendetta casts

[final star]

[limber lion]

[final star]

ew

[oblique harness]

llul

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

RL is a pepega

[final star]

fairly certain we saved lust

for 2 mins

[limber lion]

Yes you did

[oblique harness]

on first boss always insta bl at ink perfect for vendetta xD

[final star]

that's why we lusted there

[limber lion]

We used BL just before Barghast spawned

[final star]

Old ScrubBusters players

[limber lion]

And were told to save cooldowns for that

[final star]

so they decent

[winter gale]

Best build/leggo for pure Sire tunnel on Mythic prog is Zoldyck / Blindside / Deeper Strategem?

[sturdy forge]

worth save ash for 9.1 and see what lege to get or buy em now? Getting an alt as I got CE on my warrior and we will have some alts in reclears

[winter gale]

I am playing EP/Vigor/Doom and I am already no1

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck bs/ds/ct

[limber lion]

Might as well buy them now. 9.1 is still a long while away and the system is changing a bit when it releases.

[stoic needle]

The higher ranks of stuff will need a second currency instead of soul ash

[sturdy forge]

tyty. I got rank 4 doomblade atm

willl get zor next

[limber lion]

Good.

[oblique harness]

zor?

[sturdy forge]

zlo

zol

[potent rune]

i believe they are called soul cinders for the higher ranks

[stoic needle]

mega soul ash was cooler

At the current numbers you can get 1 lvl 5 every week and 1 lvl 6 every 4 weeks

[oblique harness]

i actually play with doom blade in every encounter xD i'm still 21° on realm

[winter vapor]

@stoic needle is there a requitrement on having it at a particular rank beforehand? Changes non with standing ofc

[limber lion]

It's an extension to our current ranks

So you need r4 to get r5.

[stoic needle]

No, you can upgrade something from lvl 1 to lvl 5 in one go but you'll need the soul ash as well

[winter vapor]

ty both

[limber lion]

Ye, I explained it very poorly

You need the soul ash from previous ranks

That's better.

[stoic needle]

I don't know if the play is to upgrade multiple legendaries to lvl 5 first or one to lvl 6

[hazy crater]

The year is 2025. Patch 9.3 is out and each week we collect Soul Ash, Soul Cinders, Soul Embers, and Soul Coal from layer 20 torghast for reasons we've long since forgotten

[oblique harness]

ahahahahahahaha

[hazy crater]

shameless copypasta btw

but actually hilarious

[potent rune]

u forgot soul bbq and steak

they said rogue may get a raid cd, what u guys think about mass cloak of skills? maybe 20% magic dmg reduction + removes all magic debuff/poison/desease?

[vast forum]

shroud of immortality

[plain thistle]

or smoke bomb back

[vast forum]

nah

shroud of immortality sounds better

[oblique harness]

ahahaha

[potent rune]

eh smoke bomb will make DH cd kinda pointless then

[plain thistle]

well, same with magic reduction

AMZ already does that

[potent rune]

but claok will remove debuffs

[oblique harness]

but we are better than dh

[potent rune]

or mass feint?

[stoic needle]

Just make cloak affect everyone in a radius when you use it

There, raid utility solved

[potent rune]

mass cheat death

[plain thistle]

add some mobs that we can kidney shot

done

[stoic needle]

I would love to be able to cc raid mobs

Actually

It's so fun to stun bosses in Torghast

[plain thistle]

zek voz 🙂

[stoic needle]

Just give raid mobs like 5x the DR so you can't chain stun them

[sacred isle]

2 min cd raidwide ghostly strike 🙂

[plain thistle]

kidney shot can stun bosses

only kidney shot, nothing else, and every boss has a cast that you need to stun otherwise he will kill your tank

[potent rune]

allow sub to throw kunai then teleport to the target that has the kunai mark for ninja fantasy

[stoic needle]

Let's leave that in league of legends ty

[potent rune]

i was thinking naruto yellow flash but akali works too lol

[stoic needle]

Isn't it katarina? Idk I haven't played league in years

[stoic needle]

I'd be ok with this

[potent rune]

that one too damn its been long

[scarlet wigeon]

going into mythic sire with a guild that has a couple 0% wipes, but i don't have experience with the fight since i've not been raiding after last guild fell apart. have a few questions to ease the transition.

from what i've been reading/looking at, i should run 3/3/2/2/x/2/3 for P3 damage, correct? I assume CT because of all the movement in P3 devaluing poison bomb.

as far as playing CT in single target, just keep it up as much as possible outside of Shiv windows, but prioritise it below rupture, yeah?

cooldown wise, guessing we don't want to hold vendetta until the end of p2 when we have to stop damage, so that vendetta 3 lines up with duskhollow? in p3, hold it for lust since i don't think there is time for a 3rd one in the phase?

[plain thistle]

I usually dont use my second vendetta p1, because I burst first add, after that on CD

playing normally you will get 2 vendetta in P3 anyway

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much. I just use Vendetta on pull (so only one in P1), on Baron (in p2) and twice in P3.

[cold sparrow]

Question about MA + CT: If I am in Vendetta window, I should use Envenom with Vanish instead of using Vanish +CT on 2 targets (e.g. Huntsman)? So CT outside MA window

[limber lion]

Yes, you use Envenom during the MA window. You apply CT before or after that.

[cold sparrow]

Thought so, thank you!

[scarlet wigeon]

massacre hits through cloak, correct? i'm sure i saw a PoV of a rogue standing in a bunch of them with cloak the other day, but looking at logs it seems to ignore it?

need to find that vid again and see if i missed something

[plain thistle]

p3 massacre cloak does nothing, but I cant remember if you can cloak P2 massacre

[tulip nacelle]

you can in p2

you just get the bleed

in p3 you can't probably because you're in mirror phase

[plain thistle]

yeah, thats what I remember too

I really would love if blizzard was more clear with stuff like this

in the toolltip or in the journal, showing exactly what work on what

[tulip nacelle]

tbf might just be shitty coding, and they're not clear because it's the "secret mythic" phase

[glacial bough]

is doomblade the go to legendary right now for m+ and raiding?

[soft shale]

m+ zold or dashing but for st doomblade is really strong

[glacial bough]

hmm i see

[stoic needle]

There's no one size fits all legendary for sin

Doomblade is pretty meh for m+

[glacial bough]

which legendary do you enjoy

im all about fun

[stoic needle]

None of the sin legendaries alter your gameplay in any way so it's hard to call any of them fun

[glacial bough]

aw damn thats lame

well maybe ill just make doomblade since i have it lol

[stoic needle]

Thematically I think zoldyck is cool because you're executing everything for free

And doomblade is kinda cool because you get big envenoms

Almost all of the rogue legendaries are pretty boring

[glacial bough]

yeah that does sound pretty cool!

thanks for your help 😄

[placid light]

Is there a good reason the top rogues aren’t using IQD in PVE?

[stoic needle]

It's rare

[placid light]

That’s not a good excuse because almost all of them are using Phial

[balmy condor]

they aren't?

who says they aren't

[stoic needle]

I mean it is a good excuse considering iqd wasn't 'discovered' until recently, with the venthyr rework

[placid light]

Top parses of Warcraft logs

[balmy condor]

there's plenty of top rogues using IQD

but there are other trinkets that are good

so im not really sure what the question is

IQD is a good trinket, so is memory, so is chain, so is dreadfire

phial is bis, which is why everyone runs it

[stoic needle]

Iqd is also bis, but only for venthyr technically and its rare. Plenty of people probably passed on one in their vault early on in the expansion because they didn't know how good it was

[sturdy forge]

Thats something I love with warrior, make signet, use for al situations, aoe or st. Bit overwhelming with al different rogue legendarys who’s good for different specs and situations

[stoic needle]

Sounds boring to me

It was boring when zoldyck was bis for everything

I like having choices

[bleak sky]

Is there a way to guarantee that IQD will proc a specific secondary stat? outside lust window/execute range

I've got just a little bit of haste more than crit, but it always seems to proc crit

[stoic needle]

no

it's always your top 2

no way to control it

the guaranteed stat doesn't work with drums for some reason

[potent rune]

would be nice if every new season bring new M+ gear, tired of same old gear for a whole xpac

[stoic needle]

the megadungeon will add some

[potent rune]

yea but i will still be tired of grinding PF for phial if we cant upgrade our existing one

[bleak sky]

just wait til you gotta drop 2k+ valor on your 220 phial to get it to 260

[potent rune]

O.o

[bleak sky]

inb4 season one M+ gear won't be upgradable on season 2

[potent rune]

when reality hits

[limber lion]

Probably needs a higher tier achievement for it

I don't know if they want people getting 250+ items the first week,.so there might be a softlock of some sort

[bleak sky]

Yeah, Season 2 KSM but I doubt blizz will let us off the hook that easy

[limber lion]

But who knows

[limber swallow]

IIRC the way they did it between the last 2 seasons of BFA, they just shifted the difficulty up at a higher rate so the effect was a season 4 10 was like a season 3 15.

[limber lion]

We didn't have valor gear in bfa

[limber swallow]

yea, that's true

but the key difficulty is what I'm referring to. Doing that would allow them to keep the upgrade points / KSM at the same place.

[bleak sky]

s4 10 = s3 15 at the same gear level?

or just in general?

[limber swallow]

the difficulty and reward both shifted

[bleak sky]

hmmm

[gusty mirage]

season 4 +15 was essentially the difficulty of a +10 in season 3, and that was mostly due to corruption

[rustic whale]

@balmy condor does the serrated bone spike ability counts for Doomblade lego? thank you

[balmy condor]

yes

[rustic whale]

aight thank you

[zealous wedge]

whats the best ST legendary

[frail fossil]

doomblade

and also checking the pins

[nimble tartan]

i aint gonna lie im feelin extra cute today

anyone else feelin cute

[frail fossil]

u cute

[lucid halo]

is their a breakpoints where i should start going for crit over haste? or just keep stackin the haste

for raiding*

[shy dust]

sim your best gear combination

there is no certain amount of a stat to go for

[lucid halo]

ok thanks, im a healer main so not use to siming. would i just use raidbots?

[shy dust]

yes

[runic terrace]

So about Shiv: If I have full CP and Shiv is ready and I got enough energy. Do I use Shiv and waste 1 CP or do I use Env, start with Muti anew and build my CP again for Shiv?

[low girder]

slam shiv

[shy dust]

its fine to shiv at max cp

[shy dust]

download simc addon

type ./simc in game

take that to top gear

and you can sim your best combination of gear in your bags

[runic terrace]

Was thinking the same but wasn't sure - thanks @shy dust

[lucid halo]

ty guy! ❤️

[junior wren]

Very new to sin

Why is shiv considered a dmg cd

[shy dust]

because it buffs nature damage

[low girder]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=319032/shiv

it's 9s idk why tooltip is still broken

[junior wren]

Ohhh in that 9s you spam out as much envenoms?

[spring plaza]

That shiv link is Rank 2
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=5938/shiv

[low girder]

on single target yes, assuming neither of your dots have fallen off and you've played around that

i mean it was meant to be rank 2

he asked why it was considered a dmg cd

[west nimbus]

During shiv window I should spam 4cp envenoms, right? So stack combo points?

[low girder]

assuming you're not playing deeper, yes. but you don't wait. if you don't have the combo points ready you still slam it

but the idea is to pool beforehand

[west nimbus]

Yes, so I press shiv with pooled CP, go envenom, 2x mutilate, envenom, 2x mutilate, envenom

not envenom everytime i get combo points, right?

[low girder]

yep

obey finisher rules as normal

[west nimbus]

Cool, I'm doing that and just wanted to be sure 😉

thx!

[outer lodge]

About to start prog on M Sludge - Kinda torn between running 2 on use - or phial+ 1 on use? Don't have 233 vessel yet. Any suggestions?

I have 226 Sins, Skulker and a 220 vessel - not sure what to run with

[low girder]

er, well, don't obey the pooling part during shiv oops

i believe you'd want sins + vessel but i might be wrong on that, @shy dust any thoughts

[shy dust]

O I have no idea

[outer lodge]

It seems like sins+vessel is the way to go - i was just wondering if i should use a 226 skulkers maybe instead of my 220 vessel?

Or maybe like phial+sins

[low girder]

IQD enthusiast got IQD and never thinks about anything else

i'm not really sure tbh

[west nimbus]

ok, I'm confused now kekw

[low girder]

i just mean while shiv is on don't be sitting til 90 energy lol

[desert inlet]

A lot of the top logs have double on-use. But a lot of them have phial + on-use too. If you go double on-use, I'd use Sins on pull + 2 + 4 since other people with it will probably use it at those timings. Then you can use Skulker's for 1 + 3

[outer lodge]

ok thats exactly what i was thinking

[outer lodge]

i do have a 226 IQD - might give it a go in there too lol

[west nimbus]

btw. any good content creators for sin rogue on YT? M+ mostly. I found Infexious but there are some mixed opinions about the guy

[low girder]

IQD is pretty good

not sure where you use on sludge though

since he has weird timings

[outer lodge]

I know there's one rogue who parsed really well with it, ill look and see when he's using it

[low girder]

that's probably rae

he just did pull and 4th

[outer lodge]

lol perfect

[regal cape]

I personally ran denath trinket and skulkers. Used one on pull and made sure to rotate between them and always use one or the other on a pillar

[outer lodge]

yeah i think that's the move right now

[vivid yoke]

Is Doomblade pref on hands slot?

[low girder]

if you have access to mythic stone legion shoulders, yes

otherwise, put it on whichever slot you'd like

[digital mica]

Any of the Timewalking trinkets good?

[dawn ivy]

wrathstone is probably the best

but thats relative. its still 200 ilvl

[balmy condor]

"some mixed opinions"

[outer lodge]

[glacial bough]

what weak aura do you guys use?

[balmy condor]

my own

[glacial bough]

like your general one for combo points and bleeds and spells and stuff

is it on wago? :0

[balmy condor]

yeh i'll dm

[glacial bough]

pog

[outer lodge]

mind dm'ing me your WA too? Been looking for something i like

[balmy condor]

mhm

[bleak sky]

is there an addon to easily check people's logs?

like raider io but for wclogs

[stoic needle]

the raider.io overwolf companion kinda does that

[low girder]

not quite the same thing but characterlinks will let you right click people and open their raider.io/wcl pages

in your browser of course

nvm it got abandoned

[spice spire]

I used to listen to @balmy condor without question then I heard this MONSTER prefers microwaving his nuggets over putting them in the oven. Now I just don’t know anymore. Maybe noxious is right

[hollow escarp]

nuggets are not real meat though

so it's fine

[spice spire]

Real meat or not microwaving nuggets is for sociopaths

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor what the fuck bro

[balmy condor]

oven nuggets too dry

fuck that noise

[spice spire]

Dog out here enjoying his food moist af

[alpine latch]

I'm making a legendary for both raid and m+. Should I go Zoldyck or Dashing?

[stoic needle]

Sorry you're just wrong

[alpine latch]

DS seems to be slightly better overall, since it's better on ST.

[spice spire]

For a combo I’d say zoldyck

[alpine latch]

okay

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck

[alpine latch]

I just need to get up and running ASAP. Trying to gear, so I'll make more as time goes on.

[spice spire]

DS is better on ST, but it is pretty poor for M+

[stoic needle]

You can make a 190 zoldyck and a 190 dashing or doomblade in 2 weeks

[low girder]

the problem with dashing is it's not actually bis at anything, at least rn. so you'd end up making the other two eventually anyway

[stoic needle]

Put a bowl of water in the oven with the nuggets to keep them from drying out 👌

[alpine latch]

Do you guys normally run Zoldyck for m+ or MA?

I see a lot of people running MA but I wasn't sure if that's just because it's so strong as Outlaw too

[pallid bough]

Zoldycks personally

[stoic needle]

Yeah I don't really run MA anymore

[alpine latch]

Does Zoldycks apply to SBS too?

[stoic needle]

Sin is not a burst class

[alpine latch]

Because if so that's a nobrainer

[stoic needle]

Yeah it does

[alpine latch]

noice

okay, Zoldyck's it is..

[pallid bough]

@alpine latch so does Doomblade btw

[echo estuary]

Feelsbad when you have a guild steal the haste ring off of heroic denathrius after u win roll :<

7h of pugging lmao

[steep reef]

Hello assassination

[old depot]

Which sim option are people using as a bench mark for single target damage. Is it top Gear, quick sim, or something else?

[stoic needle]

They all accomplish the same goal, but the fight style is what's important

You want to sim patchwerk

Top gear is good for deciding between gear

Quick sim is to see more detailed information about suggested rotations, stats, damage breakdowns and etc

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor 18 wake

[stoic needle]

18 mists... i wanted 7k

[halcyon zealot]

even with bshout

[plain onyx]

btw, how do you show everyone's covenant in details ?

[gusty mirage]

It's an addon, I can link you it if you want

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/details-covenants

[plain onyx]

thanks ❤️

[lone finch]

are trinkets like Dreadfire Vessel affected by Master Assassin talent?

[balmy condor]

in faq

[loud birch]

going into Mythic SLG with guild now and im wondering if anyone knows the best stat optimization for it?

[dawn ivy]

agility

[stoic needle]

mastery

crit > haste = mastery

unless you're just full boss damage mode then just crit and haste

[tropic rover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[magic oxide]

What are your thoughts on Dashing Scoundrel, freindos? should i try it out or should i just stick with doomblade?

[balmy condor]

its slightly worse on 1 target and better on like 3

but in aoe its worse than zold

so if you want to, go for it

[magic oxide]

Ah. thanks freindicle

[balmy condor]

np

def not a bad legendary

just not impressive in any way

[magic oxide]

yah ayh. I see that Doomblade is slightly ahead. but if Dashing Scoundrel has you swimming in energy i thought i might like the feel more

[balmy condor]

very possible

[shy dust]

Usually people leave out the feels based argument

When talking about the strength of things

It varies so much. Some people love the feeling of SBS and find it impactful others don’t

[upbeat tinsel]

What's like the best strategy for p3 denathrius ravage #2 with the knockback? Pick someone with an immunity and shadowstep them?

[drifting cloud]

you can also run into the first ravage

get booped forward, massacres pass and even if you get the soak you still have time to position it

[upbeat tinsel]

followup what all does cloak actually block besides pre-existing ground effects?

[drifting cloud]

only blood price

[upbeat tinsel]

still picks you up, just no damage right?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[upbeat tinsel]

thanks

[misty holly]

Guys, it finally happened 😭 😭 😭

[shy dust]

Toxic people

[low girder]

had someone rant and quit the group once when we invited a guardian druid to tank an 11 atal

in like, 8.2

[cyan quest]

Last week someone kicked me for BEING outlaw. Apparently "don't even know meta scrub" is now a thing lmao

[misty holly]

haha

[manic harness]

What happened?

[balmy condor]

he got kicked for not being outlaw

[mossy kite]

Spicy rice cake

[bleak sky]

what key level was this

please say it was like +6 or something

[misty holly]

an 18 hoa haha

that would be more funny tho

first time being kicked for my spec. Ive heard other ppl complain about it but no one has ever asked before

[short hamlet]

Some plaguefall +6 need lust and 1800 io vibes

[torn atlas]

"Outlaw only, must be Venthyr. Rune, food, stones, flask mandatory. Minimum 1200 io"

[echo cargo]

used to happen to me all the time in Legion 😂

[low girder]

i legit see 14s all the time asking specifically for fire mages

like

key must be struggle bus

lol

[short hamlet]

I love that shit. I do a lot of 14s to fill vault. When I join and they say "we need a lust for last dps" im just like no you don't it's a 14

Maybe in December when we had 205 ilvls, but in may with average ilvls of a lot of pugs being like 220+... You don't need a list for a 14 lmao

[low girder]

watching the m0s quickly turn into that was also hilarious

2 weeks into the xpac "180+ ilvl", like guys i had a group specifically not look up any mechanics, totally blind, and we all cleared it in full mythic nya gear lmao

also the tank didn't even have a covenant yet

[short hamlet]

I can understand if you're doing really high keys being reluctant to take off meta specs if you don't have experience with them. But the meta slaving that happens at low keys, especially when you get down into single digits is absolutely hilarious

[willow eagle]

For emeni there's a questline

[limber lion]

You can just hover over the soulbind and see what is required to open it

[plain onyx]

Nevermind, found it..

[balmy condor]

Yeh just little questlines and more renown

[plain onyx]

yeah sorry..its a binding quest bla bla

[sick cairn]

forgive me if im wrong but is dashing scoundrel better in consistent fights?

[limber lion]

No

Also what are consistent fights?

[sick cairn]

what makes it sim so high?

[balmy condor]

It does damage

[sick cairn]

like having a long fight in one place

almost like a dummy

[limber lion]

No, Doomblade still wins in ST

And Zoldyck in AoE

[balmy condor]

It sims so high because it’s just strong

The envenom damage is actually about equal to doomblade

[sick cairn]

hmmm

interesting

[balmy condor]

And the doomblade bleed is pretty much just the poison/poison bomb damage

[sick cairn]

also another question, does duskwalker allow u to vendetta every pillar in sludge?

or nah

[balmy condor]

Not the first

But you could pull 2 3 4

[sick cairn]

why so?

[balmy condor]

The first pillar is 55 seconds in

And the rest are 70 seconds after

[sick cairn]

ohh

so we vendetta on 1st pillar?

not pull if we use duskwalkers?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[sick cairn]

oh nice

[shy dust]

PI 👀

[sick cairn]

welll

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t help

[shy dust]

Benevolent fairies 👀

[balmy condor]

You could be haste capped and dusk is still like 65 seconds or something

Fairies would work

You gotta play vigor on sludge with dusk though

Or else you’ll never make it

[sick cairn]

welp, looking at logs

doomblade still does better

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Cause dusk is shít

[sick cairn]

sadly

man, i wanna use other leggos but it would be like "hey that leggo sucks"

[stoic needle]

I doubt many people have tried it

I mean sucks is relative

[sick cairn]

using other leggos would be like shooting yourself in the foot

[stoic needle]

Not really

[balmy condor]

I’ve heard some people try it

And it’s just

Not great

[stoic needle]

Wearing no legendary at all is shooting yourself in the foot

Taking a 2-3% loss isn't that huge of a deal if you're trying something new

[steep obsidian]

if it makes your cooldowns line up well for a fight maybe it would be good

[balmy condor]

Why would the comparison be not using a legendary

[mossy kite]

Does shadowmeld proc subterfuge? As in can i meld garotte instead of vanish garotte?

[balmy condor]

No

You have to fully drop combat with meld to get subterfuge

[mossy kite]

So ill have to meld stealth then garotte?

Does that work while fighting in dungeons/raids?

[limber lion]

You cannot drop combat in raids.

[strange python]

Works in m+ trash and pride

Not bosses

[mossy kite]

Oo.. is it worth it? Like can u do it fast enuf like vanish garotte?

[balmy condor]

It’s worth but it’s not giga huge op

[stoic needle]

I just think the characterization of using a legendary that's not optimal as "shooting yourself in the foot" is misleading. It's not like you're doing to do negative dps if you have one of the non bis legendaries equipped

[balmy condor]

Well then nothing is shooting yourself in the foot

[strange python]

Well on trash you can shadowmeld -> stealth -> 3 subter garrotes

[stoic needle]

I would agree that nothing is really shooting yourself in the foot considering how close our legendaries are

[bleak sky]

So I just took a look at the top 100 sin for inerva M

do you all play ep+vigor or blindside+ds?

[stoic needle]

Like if you wanna try out a different legendary you should do that

[strange python]

What legendary we talking about here

[balmy condor]

Dusk

[mossy kite]

Is doing meld stealth garotte basically instant? Like vanish garotte? Or do u have to wait for a bit to meld stealth.. then garotte?

[balmy condor]

Wait

[strange python]

Unless like a dot or something insta breaks your meld you can stealth insta

Just don’t be like in the middle of all the mobs and it should be like very easily executable

[balmy condor]

It’s never been insta for me

[strange python]

Nelf?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[strange python]

Idk on trash meld is like pretty instant

[balmy condor]

I guess I’m just a shitter

[strange python]

I would get MA resets with it on trash as sub

[low girder]

hard to meld as a blood elf

[strange python]

Just remember Pasagetti, can’t do it on bosses

[balmy condor]

I have a nelf

It’s just not leveled

[mossy kite]

Eh so basically nelf rogues arent that hype

[limber lion]

Nah

[stoic needle]

Pretty hype for mythic+

[strange python]

I think the issue with trying out suboptimal legendaries is the fact you do 5 weeks worth of torghast for a max rank

[limber lion]

Mechagnomes though

[strange python]

So like

[stoic needle]

Don't... Make a max rank one then?

[strange python]

Just throwing 5 weeks or torgy out just to experiment/play around with something

But then you really are just shooting yourself in the foot lol

Just equipping worse gear

[stoic needle]

You don't need a max rank legendary to try something out

The majority of the power of a legendary is in the effect

[strange python]

Even a rank 1 is like more than 1 weeks worth of ash lol

[stoic needle]

It's one week with the mission

[strange python]

Yea with a mission

[stoic needle]

You get one every week

[limber lion]

Haven't done any missions in 2 months.

[strange python]

See

Lol

Was gonna say what if you just have shit companions or literally dont do it

[stoic needle]

I like free augment runes and anima without having to do world quests

[low girder]

i haven't done anything since swapping covenants

[strange python]

I do my mission table i just know theres people who don’t

[stoic needle]

I don't think that's really relevant though

[strange python]

Idk at the end of the day people can do whatever they wish with their ash lol they can decide that for themselves

[stoic needle]

A lvl 1 legendary is incredibly easy to make for the power it gives

[strange python]

As a cf tho his responsibility is more or less to suggest the best course of action

Not just be like hey man go make bloodfang fuck it bro

[stoic needle]

That's not what I'm talking about tho

I'm talking about someone who said "I'd like to try out the other legendaries, but that's like shooting yourself in the foot"

Which I think isn't true

[balmy condor]

Idk

It feels awfully semantic

For no real reason

They’re free to try out a legendary

But it will be worse

And that’s just how it be

[strange python]

Ye just know its worse hence the shooting foot part

[nimble tartan]

he never specified what type of gun it was it could be a water gun

[limber lion]

In the end playing a sub-optimal legendary in a sub-optimal covenant will not be the reason you parse 30's. Who cares.

[strange python]

True maybe osho thinking of like a 50 cal

And whispyr thinking more of an airsoft gun

[stoic needle]

Again, I think the legendaries are close enough that you can try different things out and no one will notice the difference except you

[balmy condor]

Snipe your big toe into the fucking dirt

Just obliterate it

[limber lion]

[echo estuary]

I missed something fun didn't I

[kind talon]

What the fuck did I miss lmfao

[strange python]

Nothing

Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me with an example of when I should use feint or evasion? Like I get one is dodge chance (is that melee and ranged/magical attacks) and one is aoe, but I’m very new to the class and a bit confused by them >.<

[kind talon]

Evasion lets you dodge melee attacks and certain specific physical abilities that can be dodged

Feint allows you to reduce damage taken from aoe abilities

[low girder]

in 99% of cases evasion won't do anything in terms of boss mechanics.

[kind talon]

Feint also lacks in terms of boss mechanics

There’s many abilities that should be dmg reduced by feint, but just aren’t for no reason

[strange python]

Oh thank you guys so much 😅

[lost horizon]

Shit's all fucked

First boss NW

You can evasion the heaving retch

Can't bop it

But you can cloak it

[low girder]

wait what

rofl

[strange python]

Yeah damn

[lost horizon]

Yeah

It's all fuckin wonky

[low girder]

you can also evasion the SD trash's blood ghost's stab

for whatever reason

[strange python]

Classic blizzy

[lost horizon]

But can't feint the spew from rotspew

Cool thanks

[low girder]

yep

also feint doesn't work on blood price

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lost horizon]

Blood price is scuffy af

[low girder]

that whole fight is just

bizarre

[lost horizon]

It's wild that ground placed healer CDs don't work on it

Yet amz barrier and link are still busted LOL

[low girder]

rofl

tldr shit's weird and especially this xpac you just won't know until you try

there's a sheet being worked on

but kinda delayed atm

[summer socket]

what conduits and soulbinds am i prioritizing as venthyr for m+? as thats pretty much all i play.

[icy haven]

@strange python evasion also works for the rush on kaal in SD

ive even dodged it without it tho, just gotta make sure you are facing her

[limber lion]

Actually you can dodge the rush by just running/shadowstepping/soulshaping etc. during the rush.

[limber lion]

Lashing Scars conduit for all content, Nadja with Dauntless Duelist for ST/raids and Theotar with Wasteland on M+.

[trail marsh]

Are my talents right for keys?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500101269336358922/838697036676726834/talents.png

[limber lion]

Yep

[summer socket]

Thanks! I appreciate it!

[torn atlas]

Isn't Feint also wonky in SLG where most abilities that seem they shouldn't be AoE, are treated like they are? Or have I been lied to.

[limber lion]

Feint is fine on SLG but really iffy on Sire.

[limber lion]

[torn atlas]

Okay sweet. I already pop it for most things just as a habit, plus have started taking Elusive, but nice to know when it does and does not work.

[limber lion]

Honestly should just play Cheat Death always. The raid is very one-shot -heavy and it can help quite a bit. But each to their own in the end :p

[kindred crescent]

i seem to be struggling with my aoe rotation in m+

[thin trout]

are there any kyrian assassination rouges that want to share their experience? And if they went to the venthyr and how that experience was afterwards?

[torn atlas]

I'm certainly no pro, but general tips -
Keep CT up (but don't spam), garotte everything, rupture what will live the dyration. Fan at 4+ targets. Shiv on CD.

[limber lion]

Kyrian rogues are a rare breed

[thin trout]

I'm outlaw atm and i feel i invested way too much in to the kyrian, feels such a 'waste' to swap 😢

[limber lion]

Even for Outlaw Kyrian is not great.

[summer socket]

Outlaws wanna go Necro

[limber lion]

Switching is not too bad, I've switched from NF to Venth to Necro. Everything at 40 renown

[thin trout]

yeah true, but it's not horrible either (but thats another discussion)

it's not about the renown, it's about the 100000 anima i farmed over months and months

[misty holly]

Might as well finish off Kyrian before the patch. You never know.

[thin trout]

and also my companions which are all like 55

i mean sure i'm taking meatball over with me

[limber lion]

Yeah. If you care about that sort of stuff, then don't switch

Most people who chase the best covenant for high dps don't care for anima/companions

[thin trout]

true, will just wiat a bit and see how many execute fights there are in 9.1 raid, because for example denathrius p3 is all that really matters

and thats mostly in execute range

[limber lion]

But what does the covenant matter in that scenario?

Are you talking generally about dps checks?

[thin trout]

dont know have no clue how the covnents are simmed during an execute phase

[limber lion]

Yeah well they don't matter.

Venthyr does more damage overall, that's why it also does more in execute

But not because it interracts with execute in any way

It just does more damage overall

[thin trout]

yeah thats true

I will just try a bit with kyrian, and if I want that extra damage i'll go venthyr 🙂 tnx

[summer socket]

i went from kyr to venth and it was game changing

just feels so much better

burst windows are HUGE

[pseudo hamlet]

Will never swap to Vent, the gold from the queen's conservatory is keeping me NF

[torn atlas]

So far I've gone Venth - Kyrian - Fae - Venth - Stinky.
The only change that didn't feel too meaningful was Venth to Kyrian. Fae never felt stand out, but was still a step up from OG venth and Kyrian.

[hot chasm]

Thinking of going NF -> Venth. Playing to our strenght, which is ST.

[strange python]

[hot chasm]

[subtle badger]

Is getting Rupture on all Targets in M+ a higher Priority then CT?

[final star]

No

[subtle badger]

Okay. So Icy Veins isn't that accurate, I guess?

[subtle kiln]

getting rupture on 3-4 targets is higher priority than CT. not ALL Targets

wait m+ CT is prior

[subtle badger]

Okay. So I do Rupture first on 3-4 Targets and then CT?

[subtle kiln]

just saw the M+

[subtle kiln]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips

[subtle badger]

Oh thx. I didn't saw that. I was in Rotation for Multitarget

[heady kayak]

NL makes mythic+ opener feel smooth tho

So many combo points from SBS

[limber lion]

Pants

[remote panther]

how do u guys track all of the dots on aoe?

I have like 10 debuffs on targets and have to look at which dot is falling off

[limber lion]

I use nameplates. I have just blacklisted everything that I don't want to see. I only track Garrote/Rupture/CT/SBS/Deadly Poison

[plain thistle]

I have a script/mod for plater that change the size of some debuffs (garrote and rupture and vendetta) and I also filter unnecessary debuffs

[frail fossil]

it's still fine

prolly second best choice for outlaw

[limber lion]

Ye it's fine

But it's not great.

[alpine latch]

The new Kyrian leggo seems weird though

It's always 4?

[frail fossil]

it'll be not very good

i'm p sure of it

[low girder]

it charges 2 3 4 5

afaik

not sure if anyone's actually been able to test it yet

[hollow escarp]

I could as I could instantly swap to kyrian

but last few times I tried to login on PTR the game crashed

[thorny pond]

Kyrian lego as sin seems super stressful

[royal lantern]

i thought the kyrian rogue hype was dead 3weeks after expac launch?

[limber lion]

There was no Kyrian rogue hype. Maybe for Sub in PVP

When we got Renown 31, NF just blew Kyrian out the park

[thorny pond]

I'm not speculating on viability, just usability

[strange python]

wow, I'm such a noob...been playing wow for 12 years now and just found out that taurens & draenei can't be rogues! 😆

[thorny pond]

Nothing stealthy about either

[strange python]

yeah, it makes sense, I just never thought about it...or any other race for that matter...been an NE rogue since forever and only just thought to race change and I was like "Whooooaaaa 😮 "

[royal lantern]

bruh, i remember the copium at expac launch where everyone always said WHOA KYRIAN SO GOOD, even 2-3 weeks after the nerf for it

[plain thistle]

a shame actually, imagine massive tauren trying to be stealthy with hooves

[hushed timber]

Sorry noob here, trying to figure out what "Dungeon Slice" means?

is this a certain number of targets or anything above 1 target?

[limber lion]

It's a simulation of a dungeon encounter.

It generates 1 boss fight and a certain number of mob packs

Which allows the sim to stealth between packs and whatnot

[hushed timber]

ah okey, thanks

[limber lion]

You can run the sim and look at the HTLM report to see what happened.

Just hit 2k

[strange python]

👍

[spice spire]

What a W

[thorny pond]

Cev is literally a chad

[strange python]

What is the best legendary atm for assa?

What are the best conduits as well for assa? (could send pic of yours or something)

[light surge]

all in the pins my friend

[scarlet swift]

Congrats! 😄

[sly sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[sturdy merlin]

Now the real grind starts 😛 do you have a push team ?

[strange python]

tyty

[last imp]

so i've seen buffs on enemy mobs that have the white outline while playing sin, does that mean i have a soothe?

if so, what do i use in that case?

[subtle tundra]

if its about soothe, every spec can do that

[sour wraith]

shiv with mind numbing poison to soothe

[last imp]

ooh

thanks!

[strange python]

if the raid is lusting on 4th pillar on sludge is it 1st pillar and 4th pillar for cds

[hollow dirge]

Mythic? Cds on pull, 2nd pillar and 4th

[strange python]

ty

[ionic kelp]

u get 1 shiv in between each pillar and 1 shiv for each pillar as well

[strange python]

cool so shiv out of pillars too just once

obv hold it for the big stooped fuck headbutting the pillar

[ionic kelp]

yup, it lasts 9s so smash it before he hits pillar then you have 10s for mashing his face in

unless ur soak fucks you then just cry to yourself

[strange python]

i should run EP and Vig ye

was thinking maybe even running MFD

i can get 20% haste unbuffed so could be the play what you think

[ionic kelp]

i know some pepole try out mfd, and thats what i was going to do on reclear

[limber lion]

@scarlet swift Thanks boys!
No I don't, that's all from pugging. I wish I had a team to push with.

[hollow dirge]

I would still go ep vig, 20% won’t be enough unless you’re getting a couple pi’s

[short hamlet]

i dream for tauren rogues

literally ideal

[strange python]

yeah, and Baine DID go rogue on Sylvanas back in BFA 😋

[broken basalt]

hi guys .. are u holding flagellation for vendetta cd or using it solo ?

[bleak sky]

Flag before a finisher (rupture in the opener), then on cooldown, only line up with vend if you won’t miss a cast

[limber lion]

^ What this man said.

[bleak sky]

did you just assume my gender

[strange python]

actually no, "Man" is a noun - "Male" is a gender..."Man is usually used to refer to a "Male" but there's some wiggle room there 😝

[hollow escarp]

just got my best pull on SLG heroic without legendary

[kind talon]

Doom blades dps loss confirmed?

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Why didn't you have a legendary on

In what situation do you ever remove your legendary

[hollow escarp]

no idea

swapped some gear sets

[gusty mirage]

You have a gear set with no leggo?

[hollow escarp]

I guess

[ionic kelp]

legendaries are a clutch confirmed

[kind talon]

this emote

[limber lion]

@hollow escarp @gusty mirage Looki what I just got

66% of the way to Ryfie's score

Soon™️

[alpine latch]

That's awesome. Congrats man

What's your average level? 19s with 4-5 20s?

[limber lion]

Yeh, all 19's and 5 20's :p

WTB a push group to do keys with

[hollow escarp]

[kind talon]

Let’s go oooo

[alpine latch]

I'm hoping to have KSM on my new rogue by the end of the week so I can start getting into higher keys. Not sure that I'll ever push 20s but my new guild is interested in pushing a bit, so it'll be fun.

[limber lion]

Good luck! It's a fun challenge, even more if you have a good group of buddies to do it with.

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's the hard part.

[limber lion]

Tell me about it.

Pugging to 2k has not been very pleasant.

[lime garnet]

Guys whats better.. Sharpening stone or´Shadowcore oil?

[strange python]

looking to maybe transition into assassin what leggo should i be looking ot build first and on what slot

[alpine latch]

Oil for ST, stones for m+

[lime garnet]

thanks

[scarlet swift]

#assassination message

[quaint vector]

how bad is if tank chainpulls in a m+ as assa rogue and not leting rogue restealth?

like not every single pack maybe 1/4

[bleak sky]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[scarlet swift]

well, as assasin it probably kills you tbh

[bleak sky]

it feels really fucking bad

no garrote spread
no easy cp build for CT

[stoic needle]

It's really not that bad

No worse than any other rogue spec

[bleak sky]

it might not be that bad, but it just feels bad

[stoic needle]

At least our 11% dps gain conduit doesn't need restealths like outlaw

But not gonna lie even if the tank is chain pulling you can still get restealths if you hang back a bit

[burnt star]

Only time i cant restealth is with bad pride spawn when mob still alive. Or with those damb ghost

[undone eagle]

why people decline rogues in this week? also cuz of winds?

in m+

[manic pebble]

ikr

I can't even get in +10

[undone eagle]

in 20's i queued maybe 100 ones since reset, all declined or delisted cuz full

cba this , better to find a team

[stoic needle]

People don't like melee on storming week yeah

I'm one key away from 1700

[echo estuary]

First time doing storming on something that's not my BDK and I now appreciate melee a lot more when they manage not to get hit.

Normally just Deaths advance and continue as normal

[stoic needle]

I'm really bad at dodging storming

[echo estuary]

Yeah next time I tank storming ima do a lot more kiting if I have melee. I feel for them now

[stoic needle]

It seems hard to even tell when they're about to spawn, much less the direction they're going to go in when there's 7 mobs stacked and a billion frontals going everywhere

My WAs covering some of the area under my feet doesn't help either

[echo estuary]

Died to frontals in HoA a LOT in my first storming key as rogue

[limber lion]

I got 2k today :3

[echo estuary]

Hit up in air and then frontaled

Lol

[stoic needle]

Pog

Huge gamer