assassination

[stoic needle]

no these are the mastery nonbelievers

[thorny pond]

One day they'll be the ones getting laughed at

[whole mason]

Okay, the details go as following: as long as it is going to be an SnD after your opener, we say we're not so considering cp, which makes ambush's damage a better choice against opening with a mut (even with doomblade(you will do muts afterwards and the opening one's dot only does little)). Before your first env, you would do muts for cp and doomblades' dot. In terms of poinson, 9.0 buffed attack from stealth so that they always apply both poisons.

[alpine latch]

If you have MA does that snapshot the dot the entire time?

[balmy condor]

ma doesn't snapshot anything

[balmy condor]

this convo seems cursed

[thorny pond]

Jesus that would be OP

[alpine latch]

Right?

I didn't think it did, but I'm also an idiot

So I needed to ask

[balmy condor]

you can NS the dot under some janky conditions

but you overwrite the dot the moment you cast a second sbs

so it's just not worth

[whole mason]

Tbh, I personally don't care open with what. I even open with FoK in Sire since I stand still with our tank and FoK will not be parried.

[balmy condor]

what

it's even more cursed than I thought turns out

[spice spire]

Based

[slim kernel]

I open with distract

keeps everyone on their toes

[hazy crater]

What did I just read

[charred mango]

is there a benefit to dumping SBS charges in vendetta over the gemstone window?

or is Gemstone the way to go

[kind talon]

its just proof that anyone can get CE

gg

[royal lantern]

the hardest part of getting CE

is getting into a guild that is cappable of getting CE

while playing a class you like instead of FotM rerolling

[stoic needle]

every other gemstone lines up with vendetta

[subtle tundra]

very doable to also farm gold and buy it 🙂

or straight up buy gold with real money

[stoic needle]

sounds boring

[subtle tundra]

thats not the point

literally anyone can get CE

thats the point

[storm elbow]

what potency conduits do i use for m+ as necrolord?

[stoic needle]

sudden fractures

[storm elbow]

ty

[gusty mirage]

Except me

[kind talon]

and me

[plain onyx]

Venthyr is the way to go for assassination right ? either M+ or raids ?

[whole mason]

Venthyr and Necrolord

[stoic needle]

venthyr is slightly better for st in raids but worse in M+

necrolord is best in M+ and only ~1% behind venthyr for st

[plain onyx]

Im already Necro, should i stay necro for assass ? thought it was better for outlaw.

[stoic needle]

yeah just stay necro

[whole mason]

I believe unless you find yourself not comfortable with Necro as sin you should stay.

[clever crow]

yo probably the 100th time someone asked but the search doesnt help me, does assa talent MA work with nw weapons?

[frail fossil]

no

[clever crow]

ty

anything else i can do? elaborate planning working?

[stoic needle]

you can give it to your mage

[loud light]

ghostly strike works if you're running it, or the crit chance from BTE, or the damage amp from AR being active if you're running celerity

woops this is assn

god bless, find whatever isn't whitelisted

[plain thistle]

good luck finding that

[balmy condor]

no.

[grand burrow]

whats the bleed priority on 4-5 targets? garrote over rupture?

[dawn ivy]

garrote on cd and apply ruptures to targets that will live

[plain onyx]

is Zoldyck still good for M+ ?

[limber lion]

Ye

[plain onyx]

This is why im asking.. donno if i should count on blood mallet or no

[nimble tartan]

numbers dont lie

[stoic needle]

That's hectic add cleave

We don't sim hectic add cleave

Zoldyck is better than bloodfang

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet gaaaaaaaarbage

[hollow escarp]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/legendaries/ds-t26-assassination

[balmy condor]

(it's not)

run zold

[vestal wren]

bloodfang

[nimble tartan]

bloodfang

[teal bloom]

bloodfang

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[spring root]

yo how is the sim results, do you guys have some sims or didint implemented yet etc.?

for 9.1

[balmy condor]

Not everything is implemented

But the legendaries have a pin

[spring root]

yep yep i read it first day i am checking pings everyday 😄

[balmy condor]

Pog

[spring root]

did you guys checked boss fights? how much the add fights , cleave fight , st fights?

[balmy condor]

The ones tested so far have been single target

But only 2 have been tested

So

We’re still early in ptr

[vestal wren]

^ 2nd round of raid testing was cancled

[spring root]

yea i know i wasnt following for few days if there is anything new

[vestal wren]

so we atm are in a raid testing limbo

[balmy condor]

Nothing new in the last week

[spring root]

i am very curious about ventyr lego but we will see in the future i guess

[balmy condor]

It seems not great for sin atm

[spring root]

i mean performance*

wow

really? i was expecting something nice

[balmy condor]

Doomblade and dashing are already quite good

It’s hard to catch up to it

[vestal wren]

the only spec that seems to so far benefit from the new legendary powers is subtlety

and subtlety has no >5% legendary, while sin/outlaw have those

[spring root]

i am necro boi and i think i ll stay as a necro if ventyr doesnt become really really good for st

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Not looking like any shift for sin

[vestal wren]

lashing is still rly good tho

[balmy condor]

Necro is becoming better for aoe with deathspike

[balmy condor]

Koji pushed some sbs optimizations and got it within 1% of venthyr

So it’s quite close

And just stomps in aoe

[spring root]

i like necro cos dot scales with mastery haste versa i think it will catch up with ventyr 9.1 but thats my personal opinion

[balmy condor]

The scaling argument

[vestal wren]

keep in mind that 2nd/3rd conduit are more relevant in 9.1

so if you atm only use lashing, it depends how well the 2nd/3rd potency stack up

[spring root]

we ahve shit conduits anyway i dont think thats matter

[vestal wren]

it possibly matters for outlaw

[balmy condor]

Dauntless on venthyr already looks questionable

[spring root]

atleast for assa

[vestal wren]

because outlaw has cto + lashing now

[spring root]

hmm

thats right

[vestal wren]

in combinations it only run one of those

[spring root]

i think we will see, thanks for chat goodnight boiz, cya around

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

nn

[dawn ivy]

ive gotten every covenant except NL to a decent level, i really hate the idea of swapping one more time but i guess its gotta happen soon T.T

[stoic needle]

Or just don't?

I'm not going kyrian

It's only going to get faster to catch up on renown later on

Or maybe you just never switch

Why do something you don't want to

[nimble tartan]

my dad said there will be a even quicker catchup mechanic next patch so dont worry about leveling

[kind talon]

Idk why you’re bothering lol

[kind talon]

Thanks 😎

[dawn ivy]

in a guild that is trying to push rank and if im capable of doing it i gotta put the effort in T.T

[kind talon]

But

Going kyrian is trolling

[dawn ivy]

i honestly just hate the amount of anima i put into venthyr covenant that i lose if i swap

i never said kyrian

im talking about going necrolord

[kind talon]

Oh

You said every covenant except nl

Well

[dawn ivy]

i jumped back into rogue like 3 weeks before sin got giga buffed

[kind talon]

If you’re assa pushing ranking venthyr is fine for now

[dawn ivy]

so i had leveled kyrian, found out nf was actually good, then swapped to venthry when the math and numbers came out

[kind talon]

Are you talking about raid or m+

[dawn ivy]

itll be raid

[balmy condor]

Venthyr is still go to for single target

That hasn’t changed

It’s still the same thing

Venthyr on 1, necro on anything more than that

Unless they buff some venthyr shit or the soulbinds are crazier than we think

[dawn ivy]

yeah im still holding onto venthyr for probably a week or two (we still have so much time for next tier), but math wizards keep pushing necro closer and closer to venthyr

[balmy condor]

Such is the way

I would wait for soulbinds and tuning to finish honestly

[brave vector]

I’m on my 3rd cov after switching to bone boys yesterday, havent done anything particularly hard but SBS is just a fun button to press

[torn atlas]

I've done all 4. Venthyr favourite cov but SBS is by far the more satisfying ability to use.

[outer lodge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[heavy trail]

I guess just cuz some fellers have a high IO doesn't mean they are going to be "decent" in your key lol...zomg

[potent rune]

if u got gold, cant IO be bought?

[balmy condor]

Would have to be an absurd amount of gold

[potent rune]

whales

[balmy condor]

I’m also unaware of any communities that do raw io score boosts

So I’m sure it can be bought

But the amount of people doing that is probably minuscule

[potent rune]

true

[stoic needle]

there are definitely people buying high key boosts

if you buy 1 of each dungeon

= io

[balmy condor]

How many people are buying every dungeon

[stoic needle]

the high key boosts seem to be pretty popular

[balmy condor]

Like 90% of people just buy a 15 for their cache and that’s it

[stoic needle]

maybe not as much as the 15s for vault

[potent rune]

yea i dont think whales have any incentive to go beyond +15

[balmy condor]

KSM maybe for achieve but like I don’t see anyone being like “yo how much gold for a boost to 2k io”

[potent rune]

for season 2 (9.1) does io get reset to 0?

[dawn ivy]

yes

[potent rune]

ic ty

[stoic needle]

i mean seli apparently does 20+ boosts

there's no reason people would buy those but for io

[cobalt pelican]

people buy io somewhat frequently

[kind talon]

wtf im doing so much more dam today

literally cracked

[stoic needle]

not gonna lie

divine bell is actually pog on SLG

i'm doing more boss, goliath, and commando/skirmisher dmg

[kind talon]

oshosi and i doing more damage?????

did assa aura get buffed????????

@stoic needle can u confirm

[stoic needle]

goliath pumper

[dawn ivy]

yeah 51%

sin pumps now

[stoic needle]

My dream is to get a top parse with bell so dozens of people come in here asking whyspir if it's good or not

"Guides say bis sin trinkets are Phial and dreadfire but top parse is using instructor's divine bell... Can anyone explain?????1"

[potent rune]

and to that my reply " dunno ask Whyspir"

[heavy trail]

I am horrible at storming but still manage to outperform the last 2 sets of dps on the last few keys I did lol...despite being 202 ilevel vs 215 fellers. Didn't help that the biggest issue are these tanks that don't have a plan. I watched this guy's darkmech videos before each dungeon (1 hour or so long) and it's a tank video but I just study it a bit so I can understand the goals and success factors.

It's amazing how so many tanks that have 1200-1300 (I am 700) don't even see to make use of some small tactics and just suicide pull in a pug or don't even bother to set up a good position strategy let alone an actual great pull route.

[potent rune]

if you use addon mythic dungeon tools, Dratnos has pretty good route each week

[kind talon]

whats up boys

literally got trapped

[compact pumice]

Tanks are very random, on higher IO you sometimes have to ask "How did you get that IO with how you're playing?", and on lower IO sometimes you get really good tanks with good routes etc, they are probably alts at that point, or perpetual low keyers just for vault.

[heavy trail]

@potent rune I saw it's included in the video looks great but that's not going to help as I even sometimes stop for a sec to make rquests in pugs and they just carry on or whatever...on the last TNW 12 the tank tapped out and disconnected and it's because he was fucking embarrassed almost sure of it lol

The other issue is you can tell if some of the fellers make mistakes they have extremely low regard for others time simply by KOing the key even if it was their fault and fast before it's even for surely blown.... sorry just venting haha. I am not perfect getting hit by far too many stormings but started to get a ton better at it nowt hat I have done a few

[potent rune]

@heavy trail Im not any better, im hard stuck 1300 io +15 pleb only

the dream of being 2k+ lol

[last imp]

i'm 169.5 ilvl are you kidding

i just want to do CN

screw it im buying umbrahide wrists just so i can que

[potent rune]

@last imp dont do it, save it for your leggo

[last imp]

no i'm not using it on anything!

just keeping in bags so i can have a high enough ilvl to que

it only cost 7k

[potent rune]

well god speed my friend

[last imp]

thank youu

[balmy condor]

I’ll beat your ass myself

[stoic needle]

toxicccc

i'm just trying to open the minds of the people

do you have a moment to speak about our lord and savior ?

[balmy condor]

I didn’t know hachadino did lobotomies

Learn something g new every day

[stoic needle]

u wot m8

[balmy condor]

Lobotomies usually impair cognitive function

And he’s the bell guy

So I just assumed he turned you into a vegetable and then forced you to watch bell propaganda until you gave in

:)

[stoic needle]

I got this bell of my own free will

and I use it of my own free will

[placid dawn]

can i cloak upheaval on slg?

[stoic needle]

i think so but i'm not 100% sure

[balmy condor]

You can

[stoic needle]

I used bell tonight and my CT dps on slg went up by 146

[balmy condor]

If I wait longer with it keep dropping

[kind talon]

Holy fuck assass on council feels so useless

[balmy condor]

You’re boss damage on council

[kind talon]

we have no boomies or anything so the boss is immune for like

4 or 5 globals

or more

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

Mastery s*mps

[stoic needle]

mastery nonbelievers

[balmy condor]

Osh becoming that which he swore to destroy

The cycle of life

[polar cape]

purge the mastery cult

[manic harness]

Idk for Council I just go full single target and take CT for the adds being clumped

[stoic needle]

I did no such thing

taking CT on council is padding

[gusty mirage]

Did outlaw feel any better? Because that fight sucks for the entire class

[torn atlas]

Did someone say mastery?

[gusty mirage]

Y’all are such degenerates, no wonder why whispyr hates us all

[stoic needle]

amateur

just wait until i get the new heirmir soulbind

[torn atlas]

Oh lawd

[gusty mirage]

why are you the way you are @stoic needle

[stoic needle]

I'm a man of conviction and purpose

[teal bloom]

Survival hunter sims 1300 lower than assa in st wtf lol

[gusty mirage]

survival hunter isn't a meme cause it lacks damage

ironically

[torn atlas]

But what secondaries do I focus on? My favourite youtuber says we scale well and should aim for exactly 30% haste but only with a perfect opener.

[gusty mirage]

the lack of dam is just salt in the wound for the poor survival hunters

[balmy condor]

I spent all of 8.3 telling people to not stack mastery because of infexious, and now I spend all of 9.0 fighting against you stacking mastery

[gusty mirage]

that youtuber sucks everyone knows you need 33.243% haste

[stoic needle]

i dont tell anyone else to follow me on the path of glory and madness though

[balmy condor]

sure sure

[stoic needle]

someone said "this sin player youtuber said to stack mastery" and i literally said no

[balmy condor]

Yep I’m agreeing

[teal bloom]

does the last partial tick of garrote/rupture give energy?

[balmy condor]

I don’t believe so

[kind talon]

outlaw feels good

only thing thats wasted is bte uptime

[gusty mirage]

idk if I've ever done that fight and felt "good"

[kind talon]

i mean ye idk

[torn atlas]

I picked up a new ring last night and it unironically simmed better with Mastery enchant so I just blindly follow the sim robot.

[kind talon]

outlaw feels way better

[gusty mirage]

sub was just like straight dookie tbh. That fight made me switch outlol

[kind talon]

im not losing 50% of vend

[gusty mirage]

good man

that's what we like to see

unless its Ask Mr. Robot

then not good man

@balmy condor remember that one guy who tried arguing that AMR is useful because it shows you "relevant info" which in reality was just the way they coded their sim?

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

Yeah what about him

[gusty mirage]

I just like remembering meme worthy moments

[balmy condor]

The super relevant info of “this is a magic ability that does some damage”

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

It’s affected by vendetta

Bet you didn’t know that

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

AMR for the win

Super useful

[spice spire]

Choose your fighter:
Whispyr smps vs mastery smps vs AMR s*mps vs RH mods

[balmy condor]

I can’t read tooltips

[spice spire]

Personally AMR stans get it for me

[gusty mirage]

reading's hard

[spice spire]

I just realized the mistake in my decision of typing that out

[gusty mirage]

lmao

I CAN'T PICK JUST ONE @spice spire

[stoic needle]

tooltips are lies. sims are the devil's work. Mastery is the only truth.

[spice spire]

Listen dog if someone is willing to go so far as to pick WiS they’ve earned my vote. At least mastery could possibly good at some point

Doubt tho

[stoic needle]

it's better than vers for me currently

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

lol

[hollow river]

woah wait, so we need to stack 70% mastery?

[stoic needle]

only if you are the gamerest of gamers

it's a truly advanced build

for exxxperienced sin players

[hollow river]

i wanna be, the very best.
like no one ever was.

[gusty kestrel]

@balmy condor did u craft dashing

[alpine latch]

Well

my damage was shit

But I got 2 100% item level parses

lol

[drifting cloud]

gratz! but I think that means your dmg was probably not shit unless you did hc at like 200 ilvl

[arctic walrus]

holy shit man grats!!!

[alpine latch]

I started heroic at 169 item level

And ended around like 179

[arctic walrus]

that's fucking sick

[alpine latch]

My main is 3/10M. I made a new guild to go horde with some old friends. I got carried hard.

[drifting cloud]

oh well yeah theres probably not that many hc logs at that ilvl

[alpine latch]

Definitely not

[drifting cloud]

from chars that actually dps

not just tag boss and afk

[alpine latch]

I pulled a gentlemans 2730 on Sire

It was a good first run. I learned a lot to take into next week. Didn't take advantage of MA, refreshed Rupture too early, need ~13% more Garrote uptime. A lot of good takeaways from tonight, so it's not all lost.

[nimble tartan]

hell yeah little improvements like that is what will make u the incredible rogue u deserve to be!

[balmy condor]

no

[thorny pond]

Sins and IQD sim the same for me. I assume most here prefer Sins for fire and forget?

[balmy condor]

Given their equivalency, yes

If you’re venthyr, try re-gemming and chanting for crit, crit IQD is considerably more valuable for venthyr

[thorny pond]

I just don't have the crit gear to make it my highest stat

also a necro bone boi

[balmy condor]

Yeah then it doesn’t matter

[thorny pond]

Sins is just easier to not be upset at my healer for hitting the mana threshold right as I hit IQD

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[thorny pond]

Thank you for the input as always. Helps just putting thoughts into words

[balmy condor]

Any time bud :)

[thorny pond]

6666 sim DPS uwu

[drifting cloud]

you can change on kill timres

for example something like 3:30 iqd should destroy any other trinket

unless its on a boss where youre gonna give healers mana on 2nd use .. but I think the most serious iqd believer @shy dust said that only happens on like huntsman for his guild

and to no execute you just get a macro that deselect target

[thorny pond]

Yea obviously circumstances like that. The mana one comes up a bunch

[nimble tartan]

bro honestly iqd too big brain for me 3 mins with 2 minutes and 1.5 venthyr i cannot calculate

[placid dawn]

i see some people running hidden blades and CT on daddy donny, is that just parse stuff or is it actually better?

also, everyone runs doombalde

[thorny pond]

Lowest Common Denominator

[drifting cloud]

zold is strickly better in p3 but its not a huge amount

and since assa wasnt meta until .5 alot of people probably dont even 2 r4 assa legos

and ct on sire with zold p3 is a wash at worst with pb, its probably better because of all the moving

on just pure st that in execute

[nimble tartan]

yeah i never understood that in math class either!

[heavy trail]

Is it on the tank if he pulls stuff without factoring in when prideful is going to spawn? Or should we all be making sure to say something. Also who should be making sure that trash is enough before going up to the last bosses on NW? Keep on ending up with tanks who simply don't seem to pull with direction and and up with both those issues.
Is it OK for tanks to eat stormings or should they be avoiding it also? on my last NW 10 tank had 338k stormming damage, Ret 332k, me 125k, healer/mage each had about 50-60k
Sorry all the dumb qs here just never really did 10+ keys until last week

[kind talon]

for future general questions like this, id urge you to take it to #wow-general . ill do my best to answer though. Generally, everyone should know the route of every dungeon, but it is the tanks job (and very basic at that) to know when pride will spawn, and how much percentage he needs. Everyone should avoid stormings (unless they physically cannot). That much storming damage is unrealistic.

[heavy trail]

Ok sorry just post here cuz it's the only channel outside of PVP that I post in thanks a lot though trying to be objective here and not get triggered

[kind talon]

lol all good lmfao

[carmine island]

is it possible that i get a higher sim with that soulbinds insted of double potency on single target??

[quasi oar]

yep

[carmine island]

allright that really surprised me, did not expect that one, thought it was some kind of misstake, ty for help 🙂

[plain onyx]

What is the dps difference between Venthyr and Necro, since I used to be Necro on Outlaw and now I switched to Assa. Is it worth the switch to Venthyr ?

[lean coral]

Venthyr for st necro for cleave seems to be the thing but they don't see to be too far apart for st

[carmine island]

venth best for single target, necro best for aoe, they are rly close btw

i just like more venth cose u have a 1.5 min cd insted of a low cd spell in your rotation

[lean coral]

Probs gonna swap to necro once guild kills Dennis

[quasi oar]

the difference in my sims is around 100-150 but you can check for your character specifically by choosing the necrolord soulbind tree on raidbots

[heavy trail]

Might also factor in what you want to do more and the fun factor of SBS/Flag and how nice fleshcraft is as well. (Relatively speaking compared to DOS)

[pseudo hamlet]

Them gains boiZ!
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/saiNSg3K8xcK7deDMq56ED

If anyone wondering it's actually 2 items!

[royal lantern]

fun is subjective

just saying

i really like the kingsbane 2.0 we got with flag

and think bonespike is boring as fk cus its just a generic generator

[heavy trail]

Fixed just for you

You can light up multiple mobs and snipe resets shrug.

[manic pebble]

!bis

[limber lion]

[tulip nacelle]

stop buli

[royal lantern]

!stopbuli

[tame moss]

Always CT over Envenom at 2 targets?

[limber lion]

No

[tame moss]

oh really

[limber lion]

You use CT to apply the bleed, but you don't replace Envenom with it

If the targets are already inflicted with CT, you Envenom instead

When CT is about to run out (in pandemic range), you would CT again

[tame moss]

Ok so at 2 target envenom unless CT is in pandemic or expired?

[limber lion]

Yes. You still want to have all bleeds on both targets (gar/rup/ct) and if you do, you Envenom

[tame moss]

yep understood

What about at one target?

[limber lion]

Making sure never to let the bleeds drop.

In Single Target you use Crimson Tempest outside of Shiv windows to apply the bleed

But again, Envenom is better if the target already has CT on it.

If you use Shiv and the target doesn't have CT, then you only use Envenoms during the Shiv window but after the Shiv window you would apply CT.

[tame moss]

ok cool, trhank you

[manic pebble]

!bis

[candid kiln]

when did i use deeper strat or vigor?

or do i always skill vigor

[manic pebble]

I use vigor for general world quests and m+, deeper for raids

[bleak dune]

does anybody know if there is a Dauntless Duelist wekaura who shows on the nameplate which enemy has the "buff/debuff"

[limber lion]

You should sim it. For some covenants, EP/Vig is the better combo. EP/Vigor pulls ahead on burst and whenever you introduce more than 1 target.

[limber lion]

Can't you just do that on your nameplate addon? Which nameplate addon do you use?

[bleak dune]

just normal elvui

[limber lion]

Yeah you can definitely emphasize the debuff with Elvui

[limber lion]

Jesus, just did a Torghast run as necro and it's so busted lmao

A 330k hit with Bonespike on floor 4.

[winter vapor]

that and hp bonus for shield is just awesome ^^

[limber lion]

Just legit one shot the last floor boss with bonespike for 390k damage

That's pretty fun

[tame moss]

how does assassination compare to combat in M+? I'm enjoying it a lot more and thinking as long as the difference is that big i'll stick with it

[dark shoal]

hey bois, any thoughts about Flame of Battle trinket?

[limpid quest]

Good-day! Have a question on flagellation use. Do you click that when you havbe 5 max combo points? should it be ussed on cool down or vendetta?

[dark shoal]

getting good vers every 1m30 seems pretty good to me

[limber lion]

Damage wise they are pretty similar. Outlaw just brings in some utility with Gouge/Acrobatic Strikes. Some top rogue players are opting to play Assassination in some dungeons instead of Outlaw.

[limber lion]

Which one is that again? Vers every 1.5mins?

Similar to the mastery bell?

[dark shoal]

yup

[limber lion]

You should sim it, that's the only logical way of knowing if it's good or not.

[dark shoal]

203ilvl give me 528vers every 1.5min

[limber lion]

Yeah, you use it on cooldown. (Or you can sync it with Vendetta, as long as you don't miss a cast)
You use it when you have max-1 combo points yes.

[limpid quest]

tx Cav

[tame moss]

Ok next question, if i'm mostly doing M+ how is essence of bloodfang legendary?

[frail fossil]

not very good

[tame moss]

is the proc rate not that good? the damage seems fine

i imagine with fan of knives it be useful

[candid kiln]

wait Flagellation has a 1,5min cd and Vendetta a 2 min cd i should ignore 30 sec flag to use it with vendetta evertime?

[low girder]

On cooldown unless you won't lose a cast

[frail fossil]

it's not that it's bad it's that we have better

[tame moss]

What is better?

[frail fossil]

zoldyck

dashing scoundrel

master assassin

so quite a lot of them

[tame moss]

wouldn't master assassin stop you from triple garrote opener?

[low girder]

You play a different build with MA

Generally

[tame moss]

understood about the others though

switch to nightstalker and open with triple ambush?

[low girder]

You wouldnt be able to triple ambush

But you take nightstalker mfd ct and open with mfd ct

Zoldyck is the general recommended one because it's slightly better and doesn't change your build

[frail fossil]

yeah

[candid kiln]

so i will use Vendetta on cd as well as Flagellation am i right

[low girder]

Yes

[tame moss]

ok cool, thanks for the info

[frail fossil]

yesss, unless u can hold flag without loosing a cast

[candid kiln]

okay thx

[frail fossil]

like let's say u can only get 2 flag cast in a boss fight

then you gonna try to line them up with vendetta

since not holding them wont give u more casts

[low girder]

Yep

[frail fossil]

like on short fights like huntsman

[last imp]

oh i forgot to say i got dashing scoundrel from lfr yesterday!

honestly it was a really good run compared to a lot of other lfr groups i've been in

wiped once on council, once on sludgefist, and once on the one with the portals i can't remember the name of

xy'mox!

[candid kiln]

in other word if the fight lasted longer then 4:30 i need to use flag 1 time alone

and if the fight lasted 6 min i will cast it evertime together

longer then 6 min

[frail fossil]

no it means if the fight is short

and u know u wont get another flag by not holding it

like imagine a 3min fight

like no matter what u gonna have 2 flag cast

so since u cant have more than 2 flag cast

u can line it up with vendetta each time

[royal lantern]

^

big mathz

[charred mango]

hey all, looking at the top logs i see a lot of assa rogues running with EP /Vigor over BS/DS, is this mostly a cleave thing or would it be decent in ST as well?

[plain thistle]

its decent for ST, and better for burst (sludg) and better for 2+ targets

can be super close or even better if you are playing necrolord too, for ST

[charred mango]

ah ok

ty

[manic pebble]

is it weird to not use dbm?

[plain thistle]

no, because you can use bigwigs

[limber lion]

Yeah, normally you'd use either BigWigs or DBM with weak auras on top. Some people opt to only use DBM/BigWigs or Weak Auras, but most use both.

[manic pebble]

actually I don't use any of them xD

[steep reef]

gm assassination I hope we all feel good today I’m getting my second vaccination today which made me wanna bring up the discussion around using zoldyck on sire

[red plaza]

depending on the content you're doing, you dont need them. Mythic raiding is pretty much designed around them though

[balmy condor]

That’s indeed very weird

[manic pebble]

yea ik

[thorny pond]

How to track mechanics? On an abacus?

[manic pebble]

I got used to memorizing mechanics and read them in the journal

[thorny pond]

Yea but the journal doesn't say at what time x happens, ya know?

[manic pebble]

I learn the hard way

I read them and do the real raid a few times

took me awhile but it's all good now

[thorny pond]

Just seems like extra work is all. But you do you

[balmy condor]

Yeah agreed

You’re just making your life harder

But if it works then I guess whatever

[thorny pond]

I've definitely bullied people before into using certain WAs and BW since they were holding the raid back

[vestal wren]

i usually end up dissabling most of the bossmod allerts

[manic pebble]

you can do that?

[vestal wren]

yes

[thorny pond]

Highly customizable

Sounds bars alerts etc

[vestal wren]

bigwigs makes it slightly easier but dbm should have options for it too

[manic pebble]

the only thing I don't like is when people using dmb timer to pull and idk when are they starting

so I can use dbm disable everything and leave the pull timer on?

[thorny pond]

I guess

[manic pebble]

cool

guess I'll use dbm just for the pull timer

[vestal wren]

you don't need dbm/bw to have a pull timere, there are addons and weakauras that can do that if you only want the pull timer

but entirely dissabling everything is not a good thing

there are usefull things in bossmods and some timers are important

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

The hot.takes here.man

[strange python]

whats wrong with hot takes

[balmy condor]

They’re hot?

[junior wren]

new to sin

is it worth keeping crimson tempest up on a boss?

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

wait

deathly shadows with nightstalker CT

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

simming it now

[balmy condor]

good one

lemme know how many thousands of dps you lose

[hollow escarp]

just trying to summon Guy here

[kind talon]

Wow it’s a 50076 dps gain

Crazy

[hollow escarp]

tbf, the loss is bigger

[kind talon]

[hollow escarp]

as I have 210 MA

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow escarp]

and simmed with 235 DS

[balmy condor]

yes

I told you

it's shit

[kind talon]

Gg

[hollow escarp]

but bruh, it's 15% damage after vanish

not 200% as MA

[balmy condor]

MA gives cp

[kind talon]

Pretty sure is 12%?

[balmy condor]

deathly gives

uh

dogshit

[hollow escarp]

[kind talon]

Deathly gives cp too Sadge

[balmy condor]

yeah

half as many

[kind talon]

Way less tho

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

Ye

It’s sick 😷

[balmy condor]

well

[kind talon]

Whispyr I think we cracked the code

[balmy condor]

yeah?

[kind talon]

Ye

[balmy condor]

the code of a bad legendary being bad?

[kind talon]

No

[hollow escarp]

but all top rogues use it, then it must be good

[kind talon]

The super secret night stalker ct DS m+ build

It’s super good for aoe

All you do is fok fok ct vanish

[hollow escarp]

DS is probably worse for sin than it is for law

[kind talon]

is*

[balmy condor]

if you can show me a single sin rogue that's either more than 6/10M or 2k io using deathly unironically, I will give you one of those steamy massages

[kind talon]

It 100% is

Deathly is so bad for sin it’s scary

[hollow escarp]

oh well, will try to reinvent the meta with TTB 🙂

[balmy condor]

idk why people insist on just running bad things

[polar cape]

is the slice pre pull shit worth for sin at all?

[balmy condor]

depends on worth

slice pre-pull saves you exactly 1 gcd

if that's worth for you, go for it homie

[polar cape]

hell yeah losing my MA vs 1 gcd <.<

[hollow escarp]

I think it's because the difference is not that big so it's easier to convince other people that the thing you are using is some secret tech when you are using it in scenarios where the majority of players won't even be in

and after that comes the bandwagon

[dull cloak]

should try finality as sin in m+, its pretty off meta

[thorny pond]

They want the sweet sense of "gotcha"

[strange python]

and it's always on someone else's key

[steep reef]

I bet @nimble tartan does or will especially if there’s a massage on the line...

[thorny pond]

Listen. Half baked ideas are beat served in a group that I have no ties to

Like I'm not doing MP NS Exsang build in my raid guild

[rigid tartan]

Is finality working on sin?

[balmy condor]

yep

as expected, it buffs every other rupture by 25%

[hollow escarp]

it's pretty good

if you have nothing else

[odd flax]

Should I rupture or garrote other councill Bosses to parse?

[fallen arch]

No

[tulip nacelle]

you don't parse from extra damage on the boss you're not killing, but you should keep bleeds and poison on one extra boss for extra energy - more ST damage

[fallen arch]

Not for parse

That damage doesnt count, u do want the energy boost from those tho

[fallen arch]

What he said lol, I was slow

[odd flax]

Both rup and garr at one extra or maybe 2 extra rups?

[tulip nacelle]

iirc gar rup on one extra

[spare python]

hi i just leveled a rogue which covenant should i choose with regard to 9.1
for raiding and m+

[tulip nacelle]

we don't know about 9.1 yet

[balmy condor]

necro is a pretty safe bet

[compact pumice]

Venthyr looking good too though right?

Still ST kings?

[spare python]

but how much pure st fights are in the new raid

[balmy condor]

venthyr is slightly ahead in single target

[stoic needle]

Good afternoon assassins, do you all have a moment to speak about our lord and savior mastery and his divine bell?

[balmy condor]

cringe

[stoic needle]

Do not hold hate in your heart open your mind and be freed from your statist ways

[safe barn]

cuz ppl wanna be THE OFF META GUY

[shy dust]

Why is this shit trinket

In the presence of the Iqd channel

[stoic needle]

Imagine not using both

You're playing in 2021 I'm in 3021

[shy dust]

You do have a fascination with mastery

[balmy condor]

koolaid so strong it's classified as a hallucinogen

[stoic needle]

Crit iqd and mastery Bell, two of our best stats in insane amounts in aoe situations, don't mind if I do

[balmy condor]

sin player trying to do aoe

[shy dust]

One a great all around trinket

The other a shit tier trinket

[stoic needle]

[shy dust]

You’re not a moonkin bro

Go get some help

[stoic needle]

do not hold the hate in your heart, brothers

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

I got that decanter

It sucks

[hollow escarp]

well, you also think bell is good, so not sure what to say about your opinion on it

[balmy condor]

osh waking up in a ditch high on bathsalts: "I FOUND A WAY TO GET TO 10k AOE DPS I JUST NEED MORE WHERE DO I GET MORE"
actual aoe classes:

https://tenor.com/view/spike-monkey-typing-gif-10973398

[shy dust]

Decanter better than bell

[stoic needle]

I don't actually think bell is good except for padding

[hollow escarp]

I wanted to show the phial damage but it would blow my cover

[balmy condor]

I agree with the first half of your sentence

[shy dust]

I don’t even know

How it’s good for padding either

[stoic needle]

The cd lines up with commando and skirmisher spawn timings very nicely

[balmy condor]

bro it gives stats on use how is it not good what lmao idiot

[hollow escarp]

don't those die like crazy?

[shy dust]

But does that translate to more damage

It’s hard to quantify things like that

Just based off your own experiences

[stoic needle]

In my unscientific testing it does

It makes the one CT they actually live through hit 30% harder

[balmy condor]

if only there were simulations or something that allowed us to have an objective view on how good things are

[hollow escarp]

idk what to think about that, like skirmishers die way to fast to even dot them properly, and commandos, you don't wanna pad on those if you don't plan to kill the shields

[stoic needle]

Sims are the devil's work we trust in the divine

[balmy condor]

osh believing in a trinket that's actually just worse than a flayedwing

[hollow escarp]

just get the leaf

if you are into low ilvl trinkets

😉

[stoic needle]

Leaf and Bell?!

[balmy condor]

wait that's true

what ilvl is your bell

[hollow escarp]

with leaf and bell, EZ rank 1 ilvl parses

[stoic needle]

194

[balmy condor]

ONE NINETY FOUR

[hollow escarp]

not having 203 bell

[balmy condor]

MY MAN

GTFO

[hollow escarp]

you lose 20 agility

[balmy condor]

THATS WORSE THAN A DARKMOON DECK

holy shit I'm dying

[stoic needle]

Dude chill I just used it for like 8 pulls last night I'm going back to my regular trinkets next week

[balmy condor]

I mean I hope for the rest of your raid you do

[stoic needle]

I was still top goliath and boss damage and did more damage to commandos and skirmishers too

[shy dust]

There’s a lot of factors that go into that

That matter significantly more than swapping a trinket

[stoic needle]

I know that, I'm just saying it wasn't the reason we were wiping

I was still doing my job

[hollow escarp]

do you guys kill the 3rd goliath with commandos?

[kind talon]

should i apply to osh raid and say

[stoic needle]

We kill it first and then aoe the commandos

[kind talon]

"i dont use divine bell"

insta accept or what

[stoic needle]

Last night they were like "hmm bro you seem to be doing more damage, what's up?" "Oh idk I just got a gift from the divine"

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

and then everyone clapped

[hollow escarp]

[shy dust]

And the raid wipes

👏

[stoic needle]

[kind talon]

and then the Raid Leader's wife literally went to his house

and the rest is undisclosed

[stoic needle]

[kind talon]

petition to rename this emote to :oshosiirl:

[hollow escarp]

ngl, since I swapped to necro, I'm kinda enjoying outlaw

[kind talon]

gasp

[limber lion]

🚪◀️

[hollow escarp]

but it's still bleeds

and instant poisons

I haven't unlocked Bonesmith yet

[frigid kestrel]

Wtf, I jump in here to do my daily lurk and I see pro OL comments?

[limber lion]

I'm at 30 renown, still need one more for Gemstone

[hollow escarp]

yesterday I saw Nighstalker comments in #outlaw when I joined

[hollow escarp]

28

but I just started campaign

like 4 renown ago

[halcyon zealot]

are there any venthyr left??

[limber lion]

Eyy

[hollow escarp]

I'm still venthyr

check my pfp

[halcyon zealot]

oh true

[kind talon]

kojack venthyr yep

pogo

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

yeah, I just need to do my may souls and I have renown 31

[tardy knoll]

Hey lads, 9.1 my guild want to try mythic raiding serious and i guess i will need to go assa, anyone can tell me what i can improve, what i did wrong etc thanks https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aVALGm9yvKpq6NFP#fight=13&type=damage-done

[limber lion]

Which one are you? Vra or the Russian dude?

[tardy knoll]

vra

sorry'

[hollow escarp]

I recognize the name

[gusty mirage]

Wait you actually used it in raid?

[stoic needle]

I did

[hollow escarp]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-bruh-smiling-drive-gif-15005835

[stoic needle]

Hold not the hate in your heart, brothers

[limber lion]

1. Your ilvl is quite low, so it's hard to compare yourself to others who are at 227-229 ilvl. You are doing very well for your ilvl!
2. You should be saving SBS charges for Gemstone windows. You generally only want to use the SBS charges during the Empowered Gemstone windows.
3. Have you tried simming Sudden Fractures instead of WPS?

[gusty mirage]

I’m going back to bed.

[strange python]

Osho mastery propagandist

[tardy knoll]

3- i did not try it

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

I love you to death osh, but you hurt my soul sometimes

[tardy knoll]

tell you the truth i don't even know how to do it, to my shame

[limber lion]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

[stoic needle]

It's not my fault you can't handle the truth

[strange python]

Mastery propagandist

[stoic needle]

I'm bringing god's word to the heathens and non-believers

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

You should go kyrian and collect the pelagos orbs for that fat mastery

[hollow escarp]

[strange python]

Kyrian

Thats even worse than necro bruv

[hollow escarp]

or play Niya

[stoic needle]

Or I could just wait until 9.1 for that sweet heirmir trait

[gusty mirage]

He’s already playing divine bell bruh

Might as well full send the RP

[stoic needle]

Kyrian bad

[strange python]

Korayn on that fight is infinite damage hack

[stoic needle]

True

Just perma +25% crit

[hollow escarp]

aren't the commandos dropping at 70% hp?

[gusty mirage]

Go fae osh

[strange python]

You just get perma first strike

[stoic needle]

Sbs resets are more than enough

[gusty mirage]

But the mastery

[stoic needle]

But sbs

[hollow escarp]

MASTERY

[limber lion]

Imagine wanting to voluntarily do dog shit dps

[gusty mirage]

Yeah some of us do it naturally

[hollow escarp]

born with it

[strange python]

Wait what are you playing bell in place of

[gusty mirage]

If you say phial I’m leaving

[stoic needle]

I just tried it for a few pulls in place of iqd because I kept giving the healers Mana

[gusty mirage]

Okay good

[stoic needle]

Gonna go back to decanter/Phial on Tuesday

[hollow escarp]

that's good for progress

[stoic needle]

We aren't wiping because of oom healers

[hazy iron]

Just got to 60 and planning on doing assassination. Starting now... Necro of Venthyr u all think?

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

anything that isn't kyrian 🙂

[hazy iron]

I cannot bear myself to do the NF campaign again so thats out and if not kyrian then.. yeah Necro or Venthyr

[limber lion]

Either is fine, they do their respective things well

Necro for AoE, Venth for ST.

[gusty mirage]

We just converted Cev to the way of the bonespike

[stoic needle]

Are there any sin regulars who aren't necro?

[halcyon zealot]

<

[shy dust]

Why would you be necro

[stoic needle]

Because

[hollow escarp]

I only swapped because SLG

and M+

[stoic needle]

I swapped for slg and sire and m+

[halcyon zealot]

yeah ima swap once sire is dead.. cba farming renown mid prog and tryin to figure out sbs during prog

and we’re already just about pushing p3 so i don’t wanna change anything

[stoic needle]

I was gonna swap back after getting CE but now that I see the new necro legendary and the fights next tier I think I might be stinky for the foreseeable future

[hollow escarp]

I swapped the other day

and I just finished campaign

[halcyon zealot]

hmmm.. plz don’t convince me LOL

[gusty mirage]

Just wait, grinding renown is actually kinda awful

[strange python]

Is the venthyr cov lego still falling behind on doomblade? I know it was bugged a few weeks ago?

[gusty mirage]

Esp on a deadline

[storm onyx]

I got 27 in the day i swapped, it can be faster than it seems

[shy dust]

Yes

Things could still be subject to change still early into ptr

And sin already has strong legos which means the covenant exclusive legos have a high bar to pass

[storm onyx]

but i agree, can be boring

[strange python]

I went necro and got to like 32 renown last weekend but ended up switching back cuz I wasn't a fan of trying to snapshot sbs with mouse over... for the most part I enjoyed it tho

Just was hard to optimize for me

[frigid kestrel]

I just tab target SBS

[stoic needle]

Sin doesn't really need to mouseover sbs

Thats more of an outlaw thing

I also mostly tab sbs

[limber lion]

I have a mouseover macro. It's pretty decent for when you're sniping targets.

Sniping with tab targeting is a bit of a pain in the ass imo

[stoic needle]

I use a lot of mouseovers on slg but I haven't found it super neccesary for keys

[thorny pond]

Bone Spike is literally the best. Range move that feels good. CPs, cheap and good damage

[strange python]

is there a way to sim this at 220? Running a 226 Grim Codex/IQD but hesitant to take BFT to 220 if it doesn't sim well

Trinket luck been absolute shit

[balmy condor]

you can run a droptimizer or gear compare at 220

flayed is garbage though

[thorny pond]

My 226 is worse than most 200s

[strange python]

glad i asked before trying, LOL

thx!

[thorny pond]

Save the valor

[stoic needle]

Keep running plaguefall champ

[gusty mirage]

My first high ilvl trinket was a 223 flayed wing and I wanted to delete my rogue

[misty zenith]

What kind of soulbind tree are you guys running for Venthyr in M+?

[thorny pond]

Rite of passage

[balmy condor]

double pot nadjia and wasteland theotar are both fine

[misty zenith]

Can i do the following: run 2 pot on Theotar (I am not renown 34 yet)

The potency's would be: Lashing and Lethal

[balmy condor]

the shield trait on theotar pulls you out of stealth constantly

which is why we don't run double pot theotar

[misty zenith]

I dont have Token yet tho

[balmy condor]

then you're good

[misty zenith]

Renown 31

[west nimbus]

is it worth to maintain crimson tempest on single target?

[limber lion]

Yes, outside of Shiv windows

[charred mango]

would you use CT in the opener or just wait till after the initial shiv to put it up

[limber lion]

If you use all cooldowns in the beginning, then it's probably safe to just use CT when your Shiv runs out.

And only blast Envenom's during the window.

Don't think it makes much of a difference whether or not you'd build for CT first, other than you would be delaying your Shiv, which is a no-no. So it's better to just not touch CT in ST during the opener and smack it on your target after the first Shiv window.

On 2T you definitely want to use CT in the opener (during the first Shiv window)

[distant flint]

!GUIDE

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[wide bolt]

is necro considered better for sire prog as well? or is it mostly even with venth?

[limber lion]

They're both pretty close.

[vast forum]

better due to a "bug"

[stoic needle]

i would say it's better, but idk if it's worth swapping just for sire

[limber lion]

They do different things.

[wide bolt]

i was already planning on swapping for SLG

so i wasnt sure whether to stick to necro or swap back for sire

[stoic needle]

yeah just stay necro

[limber lion]

This is a fun thing to do on Sire as Necro.

[stoic needle]

the fabled 4 env in shiv

[charred mango]

think it would be worth saving a shiv for the gemstone window to do that?

[stoic needle]

you don't need to save it, it lines up naturally

[charred mango]

or slightly delay one for it

ah kk

[stoic needle]

gemstones is every 60 seconds

shiv cd is 25

[charred mango]

i gotta say, necro on sludge felt amazing when i was farming heroic for renown

with the gemstone procs

[stoic needle]

it's decent, but venthyr wins handily on sludge

flag damage on the pillars is obscene

[mighty bolt]

How works the bug on sire being necro?

[stoic needle]

remornia and the named adds from p2 keep giving you extra CP for sbs in p3

so you just get 5cp for every sbs in p3

even though it's 'single target'

you can do similar things on slg by sbsing grashaal on the pull

[mighty bolt]

So I should dot remornia and all 3 minibosses?

[stoic needle]

yes

[mighty bolt]

Skipping the smoke bomb one

[stoic needle]

sire + remornia + 2 adds is 5cp

[mighty bolt]

Oh true

Miscounted sire

[alpine latch]

Do you guys run haste/crit or crit/master for your leggos?

[balmy condor]

haste crit

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

“Mastery only” - osh advice

[stoic needle]

This is fake news

[gusty mirage]

makeitquake is a reliable source

how dare you

[stoic needle]

Character assassination

Deathspike should be crit/mastery

[gusty mirage]

deathspike will be whatever raidbots tells me it should be sir

[spice spire]

Wrong

[stoic needle]

You're wrong

[stoic needle]

If you don't make your deathspike crit/mastery you're trolling

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor osh needs the hose again

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

hose doesn't help brain damage

[stoic needle]

The hose can't hide the truth

[gusty mirage]

he's beyond saving

[fathom wind]

need to ask this question guys but are any of u dropping sheath for no reason when doing a M+ or any think like that

[gusty mirage]

theotar double potency?

[balmy condor]

don't run double potency theo

[halcyon zealot]

god u guys r fast

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[stoic needle]

Whispyr you should put something in the pins about not watching infexious guides

[spice spire]

That’s what she said 😦

[fathom wind]

yeah i was thinking that

[gusty mirage]

no need to be sad, be proud of your lil michael phelps

[fathom wind]

nice one guys

[gusty mirage]

the shield randomly breaks you outta stealth

[spice spire]

O no

[fathom wind]

thats annoying to have tho

[balmy condor]

no

[gusty mirage]

yeah just play wasteland

[stoic needle]

You could make it a subtle you don't have to call him out by name

[balmy condor]

no

[fathom wind]

hah

[spice spire]

Whispyr on his nonsense 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I need this smilers emoji

I NEED IT

[stoic needle]

But what about the misinformation that's spreading

[regal cape]

[gusty mirage]

it's the superior

😦

[balmy condor]

osh please stop

[stoic needle]

Smh my head

[gusty mirage]

I believe that's a battle whispyr fought many moons ago

just not worth addressing tbh

[stoic needle]

Yeah but we're still fighting it

[gusty mirage]

Guy was considering taking a break from RH because of the shitstorm that came out of everyone's new fav rogue streamer, I don't want whispyr to leave 😦

[regal cape]

Tbh I still don't really know who infexious is outside this discord

[stoic needle]

I've had to correct people who've gotten bad info from his videos several times in the past few weeks

[balmy condor]

I was born out of infexious's 8.3 nonsense

[wheat ledge]

Hey for the opener, why do the guides say to start with Mutilate and not ambush when you are talented into master assasin?

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[wheat ledge]

Thanks!

[limber lion]

He'll be fine. Whispyr has giga chad energy. He might get upset by stupid shit sometimes (like all of us), but it's not like he'll leave because of a couple of monkes.

[gusty mirage]

but we're like king kong sized monkes

[spice spire]

Reject facts, return to monke

[royal lantern]

lizard won that fight

lizard>monke

[limber lion]

Usually it's the other way around, where the monkes leave after realizing how much garbage they've been spewing after being constantly proven wrong, and thus get embarrased to show their faces here again

[royal lantern]

and we all know that fuu is a robot created by our lizard overlords, and fuu does sim stuff

so sims are always right

[stoic needle]

Only reason I brought it up is because I thought a pin could save a few folks from FoK on 3t

[shy dust]

like recommending to use EP on sire prog

[limber lion]

I never recommended it

[royal lantern]

bruh, the monkes will tell people here that they are right and everyone else is wrong

lol

[shy dust]

^

have you seen outlaw

they dont get dissuaded

[royal lantern]

ye, thats like, the outlaw channel in a nutshell

[shy dust]

they just change the goalposts

[frail fossil]

outlaw is a lot more than a couple of monke

[limber lion]

Ye I don't read Outlaw.

I stay in assa and ot.

Outlaw is like top lane

It's an island

[royal lantern]

so

guy is that 1dude that plays his fav champ in toplane with good results, but people tell him all the time that he has no idea and is bad then?

[frail fossil]

anyway i dont think putting pins to say infexious is not good or w/e is a viable option, simply making good and reliable info easy to reach will help more, which is what whispyr does

[limber lion]

More like Guy is the dude that uses the mathematically best build available for the champ, but someone else comes in and does something completely different and manages to get good results out of it, even if it makes no sense.

But yeh. No one reads the pins anyways, so who cares.

[stoic needle]

I feel like there's a lot of people who read the pins and get the information they need and don't post in the channel afterwards

I just thought that something like "youtube guides can be outdated or not entirely correct. When in doubt, ask questions here!" Would be useful

[misty zenith]

Just watched some Justruss videos

They look pretty good

[hidden hemlock]

how many stacks of thrillseeker do you guys hold CDs for?

35+?

[balmy condor]

infinite

we don't play around thrillseeker

[hidden hemlock]

gotcha

oki

[low girder]

make a pin about reading the pins

[slow marsh]

too meta

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[potent rune]

should i even track thrill seeker with wa then?

[stoic needle]

there really isnt much reason to

[shy dust]

no

theres no reason to bloat your ui

with unnecessary things

what does tracking thrill seeker do

you dont play around it

nor can you influence when it procs

[nimble tartan]

i track thrillseeker cause i have it linked to my ohmibod

at max stacks i also get thrills irl

[west nimbus]

To be perfectly honest I found it quite hard to grasp and I'm still pretty sure I'm doing my stuff very wrong, I read Ravenholdt guide which seemed to be raid-focused and a little bit outdated (? maybe), wowhead is not really clear about multitarget etc.

Maybe it's because sin rogue is my first melee toon so I got a lot on my plate to learn, but still - it's really hard to parse what to do out of these materials (my take is mostly Mythic+ and less popular covenant [necro]) alone... compared to for example hunter guides, or druid guides or whatnot. So I agree with this comment a lot 😛

[stoic needle]

[potent rune]

If i run Nadjia in M+ do I run with dauntless duelist or double potency? Also would we run poisoned katar for 2x potency?

[final star]

run theotar

wasteland proprietary is too good for whole team

[little basalt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[potent rune]

kk ty

[honest heath]

I'm new to playing sin in m+ and was wondering what the priority and rotation is for trash/multi target. Like do I try to put bleeds on every mob and spam tempest? Or just try to maintain tempest and bleeds on targets and envenom on kill target

[brave vector]

Garrote on cd to keep it up on multiple targets, rupture on I think up to 4 targets, maintain CT, and envenom when you need to refresh snd or if all your other bleeds are up. I believe that’s it