assassination

[limber lion]

Then you die.

[thorny pond]

Oh I misread

[nimble tartan]

1 rogue 13 dks

all dks grip

waiters in

[gloomy knoll]

maximum cheese isn't cool

[nimble tartan]

this must be the best strat for rogue parse consider it

[gloomy knoll]

hard pass for me

[nimble tartan]

he really is the policia

no fun policia!!

[short hamlet]

Legion vendor in class hall

For fun when you don't wanna use a spensive' pot

[balmy condor]

But it’s trash

[dawn ivy]

if it was good in classic/bc its still good now

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard

[nimble tartan]

he onto something....

[grizzled root]

oil or stone?

in raids

[limber lion]

Stones.

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[nimble tartan]

thistle tea sludgefist pillar.....

omfg...we breakin the meta tonight baby

[limber lion]

Stop.

[last imp]

i picked up the thistle tea anima power in torghast one time and i immediately forgot about it

[nimble tartan]

but imagine if u remembered...

[last imp]

i probably still would not have used the thistle tea

[balmy condor]

I actively avoid the power

[nimble tartan]

i never understood how come its a tea what made rogue and tea a thing

that feels more monkish

[balmy condor]

If I see it, I’m not taking it

[last imp]

it was a one off one tbh and i was like "why not"

[thorny pond]

How much energy over x seconds would it have to be to be even useful?

[limber lion]

Yeh, maybe we should drink poison and kill ourselves instead.

[grave dock]

thistle tea is an item from vanilla, that's why it's a thing

[short hamlet]

I use it to be alert and have a crisp, sophisticated beverage 🍵

[nimble tartan]

cev im always here for u if u need someone to speak to

[bleak sky]

does it not share cds with agi pot?

[nimble tartan]

it do be

[balmy condor]

It does

[bleak sky]

F

[nimble tartan]

honestly tho try it out

can never hurt to try

[balmy condor]

No need

It’s awful

[short hamlet]

Yeah it does probably close to nothing in actual real PvE encounters. Can be fun in wPvP, but ultimately it's just for funsies.

[nimble tartan]

yeah but u can be the guy who thistle tea'd

[short hamlet]

I will not let the fun police 🚓 take all my fun away

[nimble tartan]

like im the guy who had wound poison on an slg kill prob the only log of all time

forever to be memorialized

[bleak sky]

what if you press them both fast enough so blizzard doesn't know you've already used a pot

[nimble tartan]

that could work

[short hamlet]

Whispyr currently missing when this disc was dead prior to 9.0.5

[dawn ivy]

i remember when blizzard mentioned a reworked crimson vial system and people thought we might get thistle tea back 😦

[thorny pond]

CV with mixable addins for self buffs would be sweet

[nimble tartan]

what if blizzard let us use shadowy duel on bosses

1v1 cant hurt my friends

[dawn ivy]

what so the boss cant target the tank

and can only target you

[nimble tartan]

yeah dude i pop evasion

[dawn ivy]

so it slaps you and you die

[bleak sky]

evasion and you win

ezpz

[nimble tartan]

literally rogue raid cd

[whole mason]

Heard Ion was talking about rogue's utility for raid in the interview. I wonder.....

[nimble tartan]

thats what im sayin...

[dawn ivy]

yeah thats how i want blizz to give rogue raid utility, not a slight dmg reduc or a slight dam increase, i want to break all potential fight mechanics

[last imp]

i really hope they make rogues viable for mythic progression again

[short hamlet]

Have you guys been using the pick pocket buffs for crimson vial that they added in the rework prior to launch?

[dawn ivy]

theyre viable right now

[last imp]

more viable*

[balmy condor]

I hate this channel

[warm parcel]

I hate you too

🙂

[whole mason]

I believe in 7.2 they said something like rogue's utility for raid is their own survivability.

[balmy condor]

Aw thanks boo

[nimble tartan]

hello weak i miss us i hope your'e still blasting in wow

on ROGUE

[grand ridge]

We already have thistle tea as assassination it's called vendetta

[warm parcel]

I sure am

Rolling as high as I can for bench

[nimble tartan]

does flowi still play

[warm parcel]

he does

[nimble tartan]

👼

[short hamlet]

[dawn ivy]

i do wonder if theres any chance theyll throw whatever crimson vial rework they had planned into future patches or if they just dropped it entirely

[nimble tartan]

hear me out ok raid cd called buddystep 3 min cd i press it and all my buddies get one charge of shadowstep to use

[short hamlet]

What if my class identity is a hobbit and i want a second breakfast thistle tea, so I drink one after vendetta

[short hamlet]

100% they forgot about the vial rework

[nimble tartan]

whats the vial rework

[thorny pond]

They planned to give vial different usages abilities based on what, pick pocket?

[last imp]

pick pocket?

how would that end up working?

[grand ridge]

Lol

[short hamlet]

You pick some pockets, then vial goes brrr

[thorny pond]

Pick pocket some addin from different mobs, I may be misremembering but it never even hit a server to test

[nimble tartan]

what if they give tricks of the trade target a cloak on a 3 min cd bro...

im makin plays tricksin my boys

[last imp]

that sounds like an interesting mechanic which means blizz definitely isn't adding it

[placid pagoda]

Guys in 4+ should I FOK + crimson then let the crimson bleed tick and then refresh or should I just spam!

[nimble tartan]

idk i cant play with ct cause i dont know the opener ill let someone else handle this 1

[dawn ivy]

well it seemed like it was a guarenteed system because they announced it with the likes of warlock curses coming back, paladins auras, etc.

[grand ridge]

Weave in additional ruptures garrotes and envenoms

[whole mason]

What opener?

[silent stratus]

it doesnt sim better for a fight such as huntsman btw

or let me rephrase

how can u say it sims better

[vital cove]

what is the cirumstance you would use a one h instead of dagger in off hand

im new to rogue

[nimble tartan]

u need 2 daggers

[grand ridge]

That's blasphemy all we use is daggers

[vital cove]

i swear i have seen people with a 1h off hand

i know i have seen outlaw with a dagger off hand for sure

[velvet imp]

@fallen arch which WA pack do you use? mine dont track pandemic

[nimble tartan]

oh yes this is the sin channel

an honest mistake

[whole mason]

Sin=two daggers.

[vital cove]

and likewise with sub?

[fallen arch]

The Luxthos one. It makes bleeds light up in pandemic range so u know when to refresh

[grand ridge]

A while ago sub would sometimes use weird offhands with a dagger mh to satisfy the backstab requirement, but that was several expansions ago

[red plaza]

Outlaw = 1h MH/1h or dagger OH
Sub = dagger MH/dagger or 1H OH, but dagger is better because of secret techniques and how sub generates CPs

[nimble tartan]

my wa's light up no matter what at like 8 seconds so i just let it rip

[thorny pond]

For me personally? Treating it as a true 2 target fight isn't great because Barghast isn't in the whole time and our comp has crazy cleave, which I feel most groups probably do so that 1st and 3rd dogs melt, I'd rather get more finishers in for PB procs.
I sim it as cleave add and PB comes out ahead.
@silent stratus

[nimble tartan]

prob not the best but its what i do

i shall look into luxthos wa's though i use afenar

and afenar's fr fr do not pandemic shine

[ionic kelp]

they do

[nimble tartan]

i swear mine always shines no matter what at 8 seconds

[edgy dune]

Is Sin the best rogue spec for raiding?

[short hamlet]

Confusion also comes from pvp where sub players will often pick an offhand entirely based on stats, because they're not in combat long enough for the speed and shadow technique procs to matter

[nimble tartan]

might have to update its been a few years

[ionic kelp]

prolly

[fallen arch]

For most bosses, yes

[limber lion]

Currently.

[upbeat geode]

Does anyone know how many ruptures you wanna keep up on multi target (4 target available)

[limber lion]

In that case 4.

[nimble tartan]

ok what about if there are 4 targets ok you rupturing the 3rd target and u gotta build up to rupture the 4th but shiv comes up do u hold shiv until u build and rupture 4th target or let it rip 🤔

[balmy condor]

You shiv

[nimble tartan]

ok ty

full send shiv

[kind talon]

Shiv on cd every time yep

[silent stratus]

do you wanna shiv ur prio in case there is a main boss and a lot of adds? (ex: shades of huntsman)

[velvet imp]

@fallen arch cheers mate

[limber lion]

Raid encounters are a bit different than m+.

[kind talon]

Yes of course lmao

[balmy condor]

You want to shiv on cooldown, regardless

[nimble tartan]

i love full sending

[silent stratus]

yes I'm talking about raid

I guess shiv prio, go back rup adds, and then back to prio

[limber lion]

Yes exactly.

[nimble tartan]

i also full send envenoms im clippin all day i refuse to wait must go fast high apm player

[silent stratus]

I usually hold shiv until I build all the ruptures

but it seems it's not worth

[limber lion]

If there's 1 target that lives for 3s

[silent stratus]

from what ur saying

[limber lion]

And a target that lives for 20s

you Shiv the one that lives 20s

[balmy condor]

If shiv is up, you shiv

[kind talon]

You don’t “build ruptures” on shades in the huntsman fight

[balmy condor]

You can

[silent stratus]

yes, my point was if I have to shiv instantly when it comes instead of build rup -> shiv -> full prio

[kind talon]

You can maybe throw out a 2-4 cp rupture

[nimble tartan]

im thinkin of fights like sire denathrius when all the cabalists out

[silent stratus]

the shades lasted ~5 secs in my group, so I sbs -> rup them

[nimble tartan]

and im running around having a field day

[balmy condor]

That’s holding shiv

[limber lion]

Yes.

[nimble tartan]

and shiv come up

[limber lion]

You Shiv, you don't wait.

[halcyon zealot]

if shiv is on ur bars without a number saying it’s on CD

you press it

[balmy condor]

If they last 5 seconds DONT rupture

[silent stratus]

clear, thanks

[silent stratus]

last day someone suggested me to 2-3cp rupture

for inerva small adds

[balmy condor]

If it’s like 10 seconds sure

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

But 5

Is giga questionable

[nimble tartan]

idk how to parse inerva

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t be dotting things that low

[silent stratus]

just full ST?

prob sbs?

[nimble tartan]

it doesnt work for me bro

[balmy condor]

If you’re hitting them, you would envenom

[limber lion]

Rupturesnipers, get down

[balmy condor]

Rupture sniping, time and again, shown to be a loss, and people still do it

Smh

[kind talon]

You want to mutilate the shades by the way

That’s the only change on huntsman

[balmy condor]

Why?

[limber lion]

Because the Doomblade bleed double dips.

[kind talon]

Because doomblade interacts weirdly with the dmg inc

[balmy condor]

Is that still not fixed

[kind talon]

Double dippers

[limber lion]

Nope

[kind talon]

Yep

[nimble tartan]

omg ty for the hot tip

[limber lion]

Same on Sludge.

And Sire adds

[kind talon]

Same with huntsman at 10%

[balmy condor]

What a fucking scam

[kind talon]

Yep

[upbeat geode]

Nice to know

[nimble tartan]

i will now skyrocket dps

[kind talon]

Doom blades 😎 📈

[balmy condor]

Omr have you ever said something of value

[nimble tartan]

why are u bullying me lol

[silent stratus]

can u explain this doomsblade thing?

[balmy condor]

I’m just curious after watching you meme into the void for the last 15 minutes with no response

[kind talon]

Omr do u want help with inerva parsing?

[silent stratus]

just mutilate shades?

no env?

[nimble tartan]

im literally just chattin

[balmy condor]

With who

Nobody talking to you

[nimble tartan]

?? i asked a questino about a scenario i didnt know the answer to and u answered it

[limber lion]

You do everything normal, but instead of Mutilating Huntsman, you Mutilate the Shades. So you still use CT/Rup/Gar/Env normally.

[nimble tartan]

if you're having a bad day dude dont take it out on me

[silent stratus]

CT/Rup/Gar/Env huntsman and mutilating shades?

[kind talon]

Yes

[limber lion]

God, the martyrdom is real.

[kind talon]

And Barghast @silent stratus

[silent stratus]

and I guess no rup/gar on shades if they last <10secs

[kind talon]

Just don’t bleed them

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

Keep it up on huntsman and the dog

And mutilate the shades

[grave dock]

what exactly is the double dip doomblade bug with damage amps?

[kind talon]

Sec I’ll find it

[grave dock]

thanks

[nimble tartan]

its ok i wont take it personal whispyr we can both move on from this transgression with a clean slate

next time dm me

[balmy condor]

But mr officer why did you pull me over? I wasn’t speeding for those 200 meters over there, nevermind the last 10 km where I’ve been going 170 in a 100

[nimble tartan]

name a law i broke!!!

[limber lion]

Doomblade's bleed is % of Mutilate's damage. The damage amplification increases your Mutilate's damage, which in turn also increases your Doomblade's damage - which then gets the damage amplification added on top of it.

[nimble tartan]

mr officer u need just cause!!

[kind talon]

This is from pushnoir

[balmy condor]

You’ve literally just been here trolling

[gloomy knoll]

are you questioning me boi

pew pew dead

[kind talon]

This is a graph that shows doom blades damage @grave dock

[nimble tartan]

i havent been trolling

[kind talon]

On huntsman fight

Guess where the shades are?

[grave dock]

that is hilarious

huntsman is already a buggy fucking mess in terms of parsing to begin with

[kind talon]

Ye

[limber lion]

Eh, it's not that bad.

[grave dock]

no, it's bugged

[thorny pond]

So anything that adds a % increase gets that then @limber lion ?

[kind talon]

Everyone’s dps goes up by like 400 at the end of the fight at least

[grave dock]

the broken bond debuff is not supposed to happen on mythic

[nimble tartan]

i do actually

[grave dock]

and it sometimes does not happen

but usually does

[limber lion]

Currently yeh.

[grave dock]

if you don't get the debuff, however, you're cooked

[nimble tartan]

everyday before raid i look up nukkz logs cause i think hes a great rogue with hot parses

[kind talon]

Just send your log

[thorny pond]

Do things like prides in M+ or venth vials etc or just raids we know of?

[kind talon]

If u want help

[nimble tartan]

ok i dm u

[kind talon]

Ok

U can send it here too

People way better than me at analyzing logs

[nimble tartan]

im afraid of being bullied again by community figures

[limber lion]

Who knows, you shouldn't be playing Doomblade in M+ to begin with.

[kind talon]

Bro don’t agitate Whispyr please

[thorny pond]

Nah never do just curious how deep it goes

[halcyon zealot]

poor omr

got a target on his back

[silent stratus]

I guess env at 4-5 btw

or doomblades bug makes it mut > env lol

[grave dock]

so just to make sure i'm following this, as one example: doomblade makes mut do an additional 45% bleed damage. let's say the damage amp is 100%. so mutilate hits twice as hard, so now the doomblade bleed is effectively 90% of your normal mutilate damage. that 90% damage is then modified again by the 100% damage amp?

[warm parcel]

yes

[grave dock]

lmao

[limber lion]

Pretty much

[grave dock]

excellent work

[warm parcel]

always happens with any damage amps

and always takes some time for blizz to fix it

[grave dock]

I don't remember the last time it was a big issue but you're usually more in the numbers trenches

nerd

[warm parcel]

It never was a big issue

But in legion with ago and/or lego ring we had so many different iterations of this

[grave dock]

this tier does have an unusually high amount of dmg amp on fights

[warm parcel]

And the doomblade was the tier in NH too

So we had that too

[grave dock]

yea

[limber lion]

It's just some extra padding on top.

Nothing major.

[stoic needle]

sad that it doesn't work on sludgefist

[limber lion]

The doomblade dot is still quite small.

[grave dock]

i'm trying to think of amp mechanics in nighthold and I can't remember any

[thorny pond]

Draught

[warm parcel]

Ago with the doomblade tier

[grave dock]

oh yea

[warm parcel]

It lingered a fair time but was eventually fixed

[grave dock]

I don't think bosses had any mechs like that though

[warm parcel]

na

[grave dock]

it was a good looking tier set too

[warm parcel]

It was mostly them missing whitelists with ago poison

[grave dock]

and such a good raid

[warm parcel]

Legion raids were nice

[nimble tartan]

remember that time fok on cd was best in slot dps

[arctic walrus]

give kyric my regards

[nimble tartan]

ok vel i will

glad to see a friend around here..

[grand ridge]

Id love a tier set bonus that buffs our aoe

Give us an assassination m+ meta

Tier

[torn atlas]

I dunno, all this talk about "rogue needs raid utility" and "Sin m+ meta" makes me feel like people will actually expect competent things from me.

[balmy condor]

Expecting more than simping for the mage?

[stoic needle]

mages are dead in 9.1 wdym

they simp for us now

[balmy condor]

Doubt

[subtle tundra]

mages arent dead

just fire is now weaker

frost is still popping 😉

[balmy condor]

I’m also fairly sure fire is still crazy even after the nerf

[dry copper]

Bfa sin m+ was pretty OK around middle xpac

With the SS powers

[nimble tartan]

ss was so cool

[dry copper]

What's the goto build for it nowadays?

Seems like subtlety/MA has counter synergy

[balmy condor]

Zold subterfuge CT

It plays the same

[runic terrace]

does "recuperator" work with assa, since we're never casting SnD?

[nimble tartan]

ye

[runic terrace]

thanks mate!

[halcyon zealot]

a pin for everything

[nimble tartan]

i love recup cause my healers refuse to heal me so its actually relevant for me

[runic terrace]

we're rogues and therefore of no use - of course we're not getting any heal^^

[nimble tartan]

can u imagine this in p3 sire... https://puu.sh/HCjdf/22195358ea.png

not even one rejuv bro..

[halcyon zealot]

they’re doing you dirty

[stoic vale]

hey, which conduit you guys use for m+ as assa? im necrodude

[fleet anchor]

Sudden Fractures for everything

[hollow escarp]

when I'm simming to compare covenants it's always the SBS one

[stoic vale]

okok

thank you

[fleet anchor]

It's quite close to the Shiv one but since Fractures is better for multi-target, not much reason just not to use it

[nimble tartan]

how much do u need to do to outdps hungering destroyer mechanic

[last imp]

does anyone who's been on the ptr have an idea if venthyr is still going to be ideal in 9.1? i read the pin but i'm not sure what exactly it means

i know nothing is certain until 9.1 actually goes live but i'd like to have an idea of whether my anima grinding is going to end up being worthless next patch

[balmy condor]

venthyr looks to still be slightly ahead of necro in single target

necro obviously winning on anything more than 1

[last imp]

gotcha

i'm planning on mostly raiding on my rogue so single target will most likely be my priority c:

thanks!

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't cut necro short though

necro is still quite good

[last imp]

oh for sure!

i'm venthyr right now though so it's nice to know i most likely won't need to switch covenants

[sonic schooner]

For raiding bosses are not always single target, they in fact rarely are tbh

[last imp]

yeah that's fair too

[kind talon]

Venthyr will also get the potion shit tho

[sonic schooner]

Always few adds here and there, stuff like that

[kind talon]

From theotar

Very good conduits at the moment on ptr

[last imp]

ooh

i'm still gearing since i just started playing wow again a month ago and only just started playing my rogue again last week

[stoic needle]

that theotar potion seems like trash ngl

[low girder]

just gotta stack the pots on non-raid days and you can have one sick raid night

can swap off theotar for raid too

or trade them to your friends

unless they fixed that

[stoic needle]

WTS theotar flask 10k

[low girder]

[kind talon]

Oshosi

It’s literally free

How is it trash?

Just use nadjia

[stoic needle]

because it only lasts 1 hour

[kind talon]

Yeah

3 potions 3 hours

Beat night of your life

[stoic needle]

with a 1 day cd

[kind talon]

Best*

[stoic needle]

theotar basically has no capstone trait with that

[kind talon]

Yeah which is why you go nadjia

[stoic needle]

but nadjia is bad in m+

[kind talon]

Because you get the potions and then swap off

[low girder]

he's just a swapoff cheese soulbind for raid now

[stoic needle]

watch it goes away if you die

yeah thats garbage

[low girder]

it doesn't afaik

[kind talon]

Free 50-75 second pot

Free 3% stat

“Yeah it’s pretty bad”

[stoic needle]

i think the design of it is abysmal

[short hamlet]

Is this with necro leggo or just baseline

[stoic needle]

fuck everyone who wants to play theotar as an actual soulbind

[kind talon]

Fair enough

What about general draven memebind who never sees play?

[short hamlet]

Theotar gang, get this man

[kind talon]

Atleast theotar is potion simp, draven is just nonexistent

[stoic needle]

draven is a good tank soulbind at least

venthyr has had dogshit soulbinds since release and this is just the icing on the cake

[last imp]

theotar is one of my favorites character wise so it's kinda sad that his soulbind isn't that good

[stoic needle]

agreed

[balmy condor]

baseline

[short hamlet]

Tubins and Gubbins

Heroes of the expansion

[low girder]

draven's even worse

until 9.1

then at least tanks will run him

jk our blood dk runs him already

[lost hamlet]

Hey ass's, considering trying out assassination for the first time and have a quick legendary question.

I currently have MOMA crafted and sufficient soul ash to craft Doomblade. Does it make sense to start learning the spec and trying it out with MOMA and holding off on crafting Doomblade until we see how PTR shakes out with leggo's?

Appreciate any insights.

[balmy condor]

we have no indications that our legos are going to change

[halcyon lynx]

For doomblade stats we want Crit Vers or Crit Haste? ( asking as in Pinned msg it says, it should have same stats as SLG shoulders)

[balmy condor]

the pins say the stats on legendary shoulders are equal to the stats on legendary hands, which is why there is no difference

all sin lego's for pve are haste/crit

[dawn ivy]

wait hold up we could have been calling MA leggo mommy this whole time

[low girder]

no

no we couldn't

[lost hamlet]

The covenant specific leggo's looking pretty bad at this time? Good info, thank you

[red plaza]

If you plan on playing arena where doomblade is good in 3s and most 2s, haste/verse is also a good option

[balmy condor]

I have a pin on it

[bronze fiber]

Any good sin rogue streams or rogues in general you recommend

[hollow escarp]

RyfieTV

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

@warped temple is okay I guess, he doesn’t CT single target though

[hollow escarp]

yeah

that's kinda

[red plaza]

Whats the best stats for mommy leggo?

[hollow escarp]

bfa habits

[balmy condor]

Memes aside, he’s really good

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

Best stats are whichever papers are cheapest on the AH

[stoic needle]

Vers/mastery doomblade then. Gotcha

[hollow escarp]

secondary stats in SL

[warped temple]

Just for you I CT once a fight on bosses now. 🐒

[stoic needle]

Meme about secondaries all you want but the difference between good ones and bad ones is like 1000dps in 226 gear

[balmy condor]

Perfect thanks

[hollow escarp]

I'm missing 3 pieces for full 226 still

[stoic needle]

Necklace, offhand, gloves and trinkets

[fleet anchor]

I mean, I don't think the practical difference is that high. In terms of like, many stats are pretty much non-negotiable due to specific gear drops

[hollow escarp]

I still wear the helm I got on my first sire HC kill lol

[halcyon zealot]

me too kojack, cuz it came socketed

[hollow escarp]

same haha

[halcyon zealot]

fucking december

[hollow escarp]

2021 curve here

[silent stratus]

whats the APL for CT? use on cd min 2+ targets?

[hollow escarp]

even on st

refresh outside shiv

[low girder]

yep

[fleet anchor]

also fwiw, changing all my gems/enchants to Mastery and my legendary to Vers/Mastery

Is less than 1% damage

🤣

[hollow escarp]

I noticed that as well

[stoic needle]

Sure but that's just gems+enchants

[silent stratus]

how can u parse 100 w/ <1% dmg less? 😮

||/s||

[fleet anchor]

Sure but like the difference between legendary BiS stats and WiS stats is 0.3%

[stoic needle]

What if you changed all of your gear to vers/mastery gear where applicable

[fleet anchor]

It's not anything worth getting overly stressed about

[stoic needle]

Oh yeah true

That's fair

[balmy condor]

Then you would be weird

[fleet anchor]

Like sure, you're right that obviously we want to aim for Haste/Crit when possible on pieces if we can

[hollow escarp]

I still swap out 6 gems every time I change content for no reason than useless optimization

[fleet anchor]

Just saying it's not really catastrophic

[thorny pond]

I'm sure if everyone ran their stat weights and posted it right now they'd all be close on weight if we averaged it

[fleet anchor]

To have a couple things non-optimal

Haste was my best until this week now it's 3rd

RIP

[thorny pond]

Same actually but not by much

[fleet anchor]

Stat weights are volatile, even changing a couple gear pieces can dramatically change them when they are this close

[thorny pond]

1.69.. nice

[hollow escarp]

do I have enough time to get last row of bonesmith in 21 hours? before my next raid?

[balmy condor]

Easily

[fleet anchor]

And even in this case where Haste isn't my best

Like Sire+Darkvein ring are still BiS for me

So that's just why you have to top gear it

[thorny pond]

It does feel bad taking off either of those

[hollow escarp]

inerva ring sims the best for me on all specs even if I have the Xymox vers ring

[fleet anchor]

My general rule of thumb so far has just been "gear for Haste, gem for Crit" and it seems to be working out OK 😛

[hollow escarp]

good thing I socketed that ring

[stoic needle]

Both inerva and sire rings are downgrades for me according to droptimizer

[thorny pond]

What rings do you have?

[stoic needle]

Which doesn't make much sense but whatever

[fleet anchor]

Strange

[stoic needle]

Bloodoath signet and ring of the false accuser

Crit/haste and crit/mastery

[thorny pond]

Bloodbath makes sense. I'd imagine you have high haste though

[stoic needle]

17%

[fleet anchor]

Then again I'm Necro so dunno how things are looking for Venthyr

[shy dust]

IQD

makes gearing

very weird

[stoic needle]

Yeah I'm necro as well

[shy dust]

as venthyr*

[fleet anchor]

Odd

[shy dust]

strange as necro

[fleet anchor]

Nothing been close to Sire ring for me

[thorny pond]

IQD mastery proc feels ok

[stoic needle]

Actually I think when I did that sim I was venthyr

Let me check again

[hollow escarp]

I can't play sin on SLG because I'm assigned to drop dps cooldowns on 2nd goliath

it dies faster than 20 sec

[stoic needle]

I don't see the correlation

[hollow escarp]

I need to hold vendeta in opener

like 1 min +

[shy dust]

Necro IQD

does not care for stats

meanwhile swapping one gem for IQD as venthyr

would be like 50 dps loss

as necro it was irrelevant for me

[fleet anchor]

2nd goliath? Like in P1?

[hollow escarp]

yep

[fleet anchor]

I don't think we ever used any particular cooldowns on that one.. usually it died too fast rather than the other way around lol

[hollow escarp]

we haven't passed first transition yet

[fleet anchor]

But either way, P1 damage is not that big of a deal on SLG

In terms of which spec to run

Both Outlaw and Assassination will look like zero dps compared to most specs in P1 😛

[hollow escarp]

yeah, once we get it done properly

for now the other law rogue is topping meters

but wipe meters don't say much

[uneven plume]

Outlaw can reach 10k on that fight without PIs

Gives us law rogues hope

[fleet anchor]

I honestly think nowadays that Assassination is just straight better than Outlaw on SLG nowadays. But don't tell the Outlaw guys I said that.

[hollow escarp]

it's more stuff to think about

[halcyon zealot]

hey atleast you guys didn’t have to play ur dk for slg 🙂 🙂 🙂

[hollow escarp]

like ads die to fast so it's wasted ruptures

[halcyon zealot]

we killed last night tho so i’m finally free

[dusty garden]

is there some bug with slice and dice on WCL?

[nimble tartan]

100% agree!

[dusty garden]

or was there?

[fleet anchor]

Assassination does so much more boss/Goliath damage than Outlaw

And still does decent AoE if you take CT

[balmy condor]

No

[dusty garden]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9am3B16dG7Jb2CRM#fight=27&type=auras&source=8

[fleet anchor]

I did Outlaw for prog on SLG

So I'm not super biased

[dusty garden]

no slice and dice in this log

[loud light]

if slice is up before combat begins

and never drops

[fleet anchor]

But I don't think I'd play Outlaw on it nowadays

[balmy condor]

Precast

[nimble tartan]

same i did outlaw prog farm sin

[dusty garden]

how do you precast slice on sludge

[balmy condor]

You hit one of the critters

Or a turnip

[hollow escarp]

gonna try a pull with vendetta on boss but focus on 2nd goliath as I'm assigned to see if I can do well still. I guess the idea is for the ad to die fast, not to waste 50% of my cooldowns on a target that dies too fast

[nimble tartan]

omg cheaters

[dusty garden]

all buffs drop when u start encounter right?

[loud light]

oh it's this log, I think they pulled huntsman wing trash

[hollow escarp]

nope

[balmy condor]

No

[dusty garden]

alright

[hollow escarp]

there are critters in Huntsman rooms

[fleet anchor]

I mean if you tunnel the Goliath you'll be top damage on it easy

[balmy condor]

Why would buffs drop when you start encounter

[hollow escarp]

don't waste all

[fleet anchor]

Vendetta or not

[hollow escarp]

yep

gonna try tomorrow a bit

skirmishers die so inconsistently that I'm not even sure if it's worth dotting them

[stoic needle]

yeah like

[hollow escarp]

just CT

[nimble tartan]

go full pad ct on commandos

[hollow escarp]

we have hunters for those

[stoic needle]

I vendetta on the first goliath and still am top damage on the 2nd

the only goliath i'm not top damage on is the first

because everyone else has their CDs up

[nimble tartan]

i do vendetta boss vendetta goliaths then vendetta boss last phase

[stoic needle]

fucking monks

[hollow escarp]

vendetta 3rd goliath with commandos?

[nimble tartan]

the beginning of p2 goliath is our little plaything cutie

[stoic needle]

yep

[hollow escarp]

[nimble tartan]

absolute blast it

[hollow escarp]

we are actually lacking damage on that one

found the solution

[nimble tartan]

👏

[hollow escarp]

anything so I don't play outlaw

[strange python]

Doing Mythic Raid tonight, do I 21% haste, do i go Deeper Strat or Vigor? Vigor felt good in heroic, idk

Necro

[hollow escarp]

better sim it

[nimble tartan]

vigor feels very nice :)

[strange python]

feels like it flows a bit more smoothly

[hollow escarp]

[strange python]

I should prob pool more energy for env but im like

[stoic needle]

@fleet anchor here's my sim where sire and inerva rings are downgrades https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hGcWySLQ4RF6JGCZLBxB65

[hollow escarp]

I like vigor with EP myself 🙂

[strange python]

naw lets fuckin rip

[shy dust]

@stoic needle

youre simming with a socket

versus your socketed rings

[stoic needle]

oh, thanks

[kind talon]

sim legend

[stoic needle]

not used to having socketed rings

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

[hollow escarp]

having 6 socketed items feels so good

no more maw

[kind talon]

gj

i dont maw anyways

[hollow escarp]

until I realised I have 3 other rings to socket

[kind talon]

just do what i do

and dont maw

because im not w1st

[hollow escarp]

well, that's the benefit of world first raiders

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/53qQXcbp9EXJJyWktuZkag

[hollow escarp]

they don't need to farm the maw

because they clear the content before they get 2 sockets

[stoic needle]

inerva is +9 and sire is +23

not bad

yeah the maw is more useful for non w1 raiders because you need the extra stats to make up for lack of skill

[kind talon]

nah im just saying

im not wr500 player

[stoic needle]

when you're nearly all 226 and not reclearing, sockets are some of the only upgrades you can get on gear

[kind talon]

so im not gonna get benched for someone just as good as me with sockets

[stoic needle]

like every socket is as big as a new piece of gear

yeah but what about big number

[kind talon]

big number

fuck i shouldve screencapped the dps charts from our plaguefall

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure any good player can outskill the value of the sockets, but I still feel bad when I have "bis" gear and I don't have it socketed

[kind talon]

ahhh fair enough bro

[stoic needle]

plaguefall dps doesn't matter anyway because of borers

[hollow escarp]

still feels bad

just like sun king dps

you know it's ok, but doesn't feel right

[kind talon]

but what about the fact that u went doomblades for tyrannical boss dmg

and still had lowest dps on the final boss?

[hollow escarp]

haha

[stoic needle]

because i used my vendetta on the pride like a good boy

[kind talon]

[thorny pond]

Good boys get good vaults

[stoic needle]

why is my vault always trash then

i vendetta every pride

[ionic kelp]

youre fourth on the interrupt meter

[kind talon]

maybe ur not as good of a boye as u think

[ionic kelp]

thats why

[kind talon]

[timber basalt]

anyone got a mouseover sbs macro

[thorny pond]

Do you use necro shield proactively or stand in tornadoes?

[stoic needle]

i don't get to fleshcraft as much as i'd like because i'm always trying to move ahead of the tank to garotte silence shit

[hollow escarp]

that's because we let mages, hunters and dh's get their resources from intrerupting 🙂

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[hollow escarp]

pins in #outlaw

2nd message I think from pins

[thorny pond]

#1 on its. Have to use blind to interupt my group is so bad

[hollow escarp]

why?

I use blind almost on cd lol

[stoic needle]

that's the thing it's best for lol

[ionic kelp]

same

[hollow escarp]

gonna compensate for no gauge

[placid cobalt]

this may be a dumb question, but when talking about secondary DR at 30%, does it mean only stat u get from gear or also baseline stat count? in other words if i have 10% base crit, do i hit diminishing when i add 20% to it or when i add 30?

[balmy condor]

any rating

[thorny pond]

Also true. Been running as law just for gouge

[balmy condor]

so if you have 1000 crit, and that's the limit until the first dr, and then you get a stat proc from like a trinket for 300, that 300 is DR'd

the 1000 is still fine

and % increases don't DR either

it's just raw rating

[thorny pond]

I know Oshosi

[placid cobalt]

ok but for example just to clarify, on my rogue i got 25% crit, 14% is from gear 11% is baseline of the spec

[thorny pond]

What's leg sweep and ring of frost?

[hollow escarp]

2nd is a talent

[placid cobalt]

if i add another 5% i will have put around 19% crit on my gear but my crit will be over 30%, so it gets dr at a lower rating compared to say haste which you have no basiline of?

[balmy condor]

no

because your base crit is not rating

% increases don't DR

[placid cobalt]

ok perfect

so it's 11% base + 30% RATING from gear, got it

[ionic kelp]

monk aoe stun and mage incap

[balmy condor]

yep

[placid cobalt]

thanks

[balmy condor]

procs and stuff from soulbinds or trinkets

which are "grant X crit" would DR

"grant X% crit" would not

[placid cobalt]

only stuff that gives rating not flat percentages

got it thanks

[balmy condor]

exactly

np

[thorny pond]

Council question. Are you saving any sbs charges or dumping on boss?

[nimble tartan]

im not a math guy but if all my gems sim between 1% of each other isnt it always bis in slot to go crit gems to rng a parse since you only get one shot one opportunity

[ionic kelp]

best in slot in slot

[hollow escarp]

smh my head

[nimble tartan]

just somethin to think about

[hollow escarp]

but if we think that way, vers and mastery are guaranteed damage increase

[nimble tartan]

ok BUT this is abotu ONE pull no matter what if u crit absurd amount u parsin high why not give us a bit more of an edge...

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it's the same thing that happened in BFA, most top parses were expedient but you had a few lucky guys with twisted appendage

[steep reef]

think outlaw might be better suited for u so you can 6 buff rng parse.... here in #assassination we in it to win it every pull

[hollow escarp]

lol

[nimble tartan]

omg..

what is expedient i didnt play nyalotha

[ionic kelp]

who can forget the times when top parses for sin were who procced pb the most

definitely not rng based

[hollow escarp]

haste amplifier corruption

[nimble tartan]

crit is the new poison bomb...

[ionic kelp]

[hollow escarp]

we don't really have that much rng in damage

[nimble tartan]

if someone crit 50% and u crit 30% he gon lap u

[ionic kelp]

i mean everyone's crit is 50%

u either crit or u dont

[stoic needle]

It's actually the other way around, you go vers and mastery for the one pull where you god roll 100% crit so you do more damage with those crits

[hollow escarp]

[nimble tartan]

u know actually you're right

[fleet anchor]

Take my Sire ring off before going into the Maw so that I don't ruin my day more than I have to

[nimble tartan]

haste gems are like the beta gems

cause its like yeah these are the average gems

but we want chad gems like vers and mastery

[fleet anchor]

I bought a stack of 20 Crit gems the 2nd week of the xpac and I'm still working through them 😄

Commit!

[hollow escarp]

I've got 14% vers with full vers sockets

[thorny pond]

Pvp?

[hollow escarp]

I don't

[thorny pond]

Damn son

[hollow escarp]

I guess that's a good source of vers gear

[stoic needle]

Imagine having >10% vers

8% vers gang

[hollow escarp]

I have 8% as assa

[ionic kelp]

isnt 14 low for pvp

[hollow escarp]

haha

[hollow escarp]

I was just swapping gear around to see how much I can stack

[ionic kelp]

what about with verse food

[hollow escarp]

that's like 2 sockets

[ionic kelp]

and then go on ptr and try flag buff

[hollow escarp]

[nimble tartan]

this is me in my raid gear... https://puu.sh/HCkTE/bf8aee5f0d.png

[ionic kelp]

[safe barn]

guys

quick question

[safe barn]

zoldyck's legs on rank 4

[fleet anchor]

Not much left for me 😦

[cerulean nest]

does anyone ever randomly get their target switched? im 99% sure its not me fat fingering tab

what could it be

[safe barn]

how much haste and how much crt does it give?

[nimble tartan]

omg double 233

[kind talon]

probably more than 2

[hollow escarp]

95?

I forgot

[safe barn]

uh that much?

[hollow escarp]

neah

[fleet anchor]

Actually triple 233 😛

[hollow escarp]

that's ring rank 2

[safe barn]

cuz i got mine to rank 3 so i'm trying to guess how much i have left

[fleet anchor]

I have 2 Daggers and the Axe 🤣

3 Sire tokens in a row from GV lol

[kind talon]

thanks koji

[safe barn]

WHERE'S YOUR RIO KOJI

[kind talon]

now i want to uninstall

gg

[fleet anchor]

RIO? As if I've done any M+ in the last 2 months 😄

[hollow escarp]

@safe barn

[fleet anchor]

As soon as I started getting Sire GV loot I gave up M+

[safe barn]

im just nosy and rio have all the links

[safe barn]

Ohhh just 4 then, not as much as i thought it would be

[kind talon]

@fleet anchor

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/kojiyama

found u

nice class bro

[fleet anchor]

https://raider.io/characters/us/turalyon/Kartra

[kind talon]

[safe barn]

i'm gonna start on denny tomorrow and was guessing how much impactful would be

[fleet anchor]

Dude that's not even the right Kojiyama though

Like smh

[stoic needle]

What a chad

[kind talon]

bro do u even know what kojiyama means

[fleet anchor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/1070972?zone=8&new=true#difficulty=4

That's the real Kojiyama right there

[kind talon]

[hollow escarp]

[kind talon]

ur actually a fucking god

[fleet anchor]

Even when I don't play Assassination I play Assassination

[kind talon]

insane

[safe barn]

koji was like "outlaw the meta for slg? fuck this"

[hollow escarp]

koji just confirmed sin is better

I have that screenshoted to show my RL

[fleet anchor]

haha I did get my first kill on SLG as Outlaw

First 2 kills probably

[kind talon]

koji

what characters

for koji?

[safe barn]

is feral druid that close to rogues?

[fleet anchor]

Feral plays very much like Assassination yes

[hollow escarp]

yep

[halcyon zealot]

it’s close to sin

[safe barn]

i wanted to play one but really, cat form makes me feel ashamed

[kind talon]

yep it has combo points and stuff

[fleet anchor]

I was a Feral main for quite some time

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

I went Rogue at the end of Legion

[hollow escarp]

in true assassination fashion I made my feral druid venthyr

[fleet anchor]

For ToS+

[kind talon]

week 14 of koji ignoring me

[stoic needle]

If sin had stayed shit I probably would've played feral ngl

[fleet anchor]

What's the question? I didn't rally follow

[halcyon zealot]

@hollow escarp this you?

[hollow escarp]

[halcyon zealot]

i stole this pic from here yesterday to shit post in my guild cord lmao

[fleet anchor]

Feral is great tbh, I just got frustrated with only having 1 melee spec and being at the mercy of bad or good tuning

I enjoyed it a lot

Rogue is a lot more flexible

[kind talon]

what kanji would u spell ur name with

[safe barn]

i can't play any other classes

idk

[kind talon]

or is it just a "sounds cool" type of vibe

[safe barn]

i don't have fun playing on alts

just my main

idk if you guys are like me

[hollow escarp]

just leveling, the druid is only 57, but I wanna get 1 class on each covenant by the end of the expac 🙂

[fleet anchor]

Uhh it's really old, goes back to my Phantasy Star Online days when I had to register a Sega JP account

I've got it somewhere lol

[kind talon]

o shit

poggers

[fleet anchor]

I think 小路山 is the typical surname Kanji for it

[kind talon]

小路

little road

[fleet anchor]

Yeah something like that

[kind talon]

so cute

this u?

wait am i not supposed to leak personal photos

[fleet anchor]

I had to pick a random name to register, so a bit of a pun since my class name given to me by my teacher was Hideo.. so it was a little bit of a Hideo Kojima pun 😛

[kind talon]

ohhhhhhh nice

class name?

[fleet anchor]

Yes we were all given Japanese class names, our teacher liked doing that 😛

[safe barn]

koji, do you recommend CT for deny prog?

[kind talon]

ohhhhh u took japanese class

[fleet anchor]

I think these days CT is pretty decent

For Sire

[kind talon]

😛

do u still speak it

[fleet anchor]

I think it actually helps with P2 a lot

[kind talon]

ye it helps alot with p2

[fleet anchor]

And the loss in P3 is very minimal

[kind talon]

because remornia damage is sire damage

[fleet anchor]

PB value gets a little messed up with the movement

[hollow escarp]

it's also good for some pad damage in P1

[fleet anchor]

PB probably technically still marginally better for P3 but like

Personally I've been running CT+Blindside for Sire

[hollow escarp]

not really pad considering how ads don't die as fast as they do in HC

[fleet anchor]

And I don't think it's inting or anything

[kind talon]

with all the movement u can lose a lot @fleet anchor

from what ive heard

in terms of PB dmg

[fleet anchor]

Think CT+Blindside is rather solid for Denny these days

[kind talon]

yeppers

[fleet anchor]

As long as you're still prioritizing CT usage for boss damage

[safe barn]

i feel powerless with EP

idk why

[kind talon]

ep is beta

[safe barn]

i never get the value of that 3s

[hollow escarp]

all the dots during EP hit harder

[safe barn]

ohhh

that makes sense

[hollow escarp]

that's why it's preferable in M+

[kind talon]

u can easily fit envenoms into that window depending on how many bleeds you have up as well btw

[hollow escarp]

not only that though

[kind talon]

and melees are hitting harder too

[willow rain]

is Shadowgrasp Totem really as good as its simming? Or is it bait? I only ask, because it's not really showing up as a highly used trinket on Warcraft Logs.

[kind talon]

shadowgrasp totem is really good

[hollow escarp]

most top logs have denny/sludge trinkets

[safe barn]

dreadfire is great

[hollow escarp]

great stat stick

[safe barn]

huh, ep is really getting used on wcl

but i guess thats some farm shit

not prog

[kind talon]

ep vigor sims very close

on singletarget

btw

its like a 11 dps difference for my profile

[hollow escarp]

not sure if EP on long single target fights is that good

[kind talon]

nah its an 11 dps difference for 5 minutes

sec ill sim it

[fleet anchor]

It is good

Most people don't have a high ilevel one

I have a GV one and use it regularly, it's strong

[steep reef]

maybe fix that it seems you aren’t min maxing

[fleet anchor]

EP and Vigor are almost 1:1 tradeoffs atm

However for Sire obviously Blindside has more than normal value in practice

I think running EP on Sire is 100% parse strat and kinda inting for prog

[hollow escarp]

for P3 mostly

[willow rain]

thank you, I got a 226 one this week and in sims it replaces my 220 Dreadfire Vessel. I just wanted to be sure since most of the logs didnt have it, but I suppose its just harder to get a high ilvl one.

[fleet anchor]

CT is waaaay less of a ST loss than EP, and that's even across the entire fight not just execute

EP is like -2-3.5% or something, CT is only like -1-1.5%

[kind talon]

100%

[fleet anchor]

Which means in P3 EP is like probably -5% or more

[safe barn]

plus i guess having the "control" of the ambush is a great bonus

[fleet anchor]

CT with PB proc loss due to movement is probably less than 1% in P3

[kind talon]

how long is p3 usually

[fleet anchor]

So taking CT imo is basically just free on Sire

[safe barn]

idk how long but i guess that's the most important one

[fleet anchor]

But I'm sticking with Blindside for a while more

Blindside is still really strong on Sire

[stoic needle]

Blindside zoldyck feels very 'sin'

All of that execute

[kind talon]

[safe barn]

is there a way i can filter the "first kill" parses?

cuz in the front page all i see is parse hunt

[nimble tartan]

i didnt even know u ct on st :o

[kind talon]

-19 dps

for st

[stoic needle]

It's like 10 for me

[kind talon]

3 min execute patchwerk @safe barn @fleet anchor

[limpid quest]

mythic aoe poisons deadly or instant

[stoic needle]

For sin they are combined

You get deadly and instant at the same time

[limpid quest]

ty

[stoic needle]

We should get the utility ones combined too imo

[hollow escarp]

no

it breaks immersion

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

But yeah it is really quite funny on reflection. HFC Feral was actually insanely close to exactly the same playstyle as current Assassination

[stoic needle]

I wish we had more types of poison in general

[fleet anchor]

Like almost identical lol

[hollow escarp]

never gave feral a chance

but I played it while leveling just like a rogue

[fleet anchor]

Like in HFC it was essentially the same, just keep up Rake (Garrote) Rip (Rupture) in pandemic, use Tiger's Fury (Shiv/Toxic Blade) to buff DoT damage (had snapshots back then but was almost the same idea) and dump CP with Ferocious Bite (Envenom/Evisc) when you had your DoTs going and were gonna cap energy (pooling to max)

Swipe at 3+ targets just like FoK, Thrash at about the same conditions as CT lol

Even had a set bonus back then to get energy on DoT ticks 🤣

Kinda funny

Assassination definitely is a lot of very similar muscle memory for me

[hollow escarp]

in 9.0 feral was even tuned better than assa

[fleet anchor]

Yeah ironically Feral has been WAY stronger since I swapped off it

Most tiers

Than it ever was when I played it

[cerulean nest]

can I Feint the Dancing Fever jumps?

[hollow escarp]

shouldn't have to

if raid cooldowns are set properly

[cerulean nest]

right

but will feint help if theyre not lol

[fleet anchor]

I don't remember if Dancing Fever is flagged as an AoE or a DD that hits everyone

Would have to check logs

It's probably AOE

[teal bloom]

I am thinking of leveling an alt for alt raids and such, do you think if I would enjoy Feral druid if I really enjoy assa?

[fleet anchor]

It's about as close as you can get

Without being a yellow name

[teal bloom]

I have to try it out then 😄

[hollow escarp]

and you can also get to see how rogue would feel with convoke

unless you go feral venthyr like me

[teal bloom]

Why doesn't rogue night fae ability throw like 12 poisoned knives Sadge

[fleet anchor]

That would be neat

I mean Sepsis was obviously way more powerful at one point

Probably too much so for Rogue mechanics wise

[safe barn]

i think you can faint dancing fever if you are not the one that jumps

something like that

[teal bloom]

I am still night fae because it was so good at the start of shadowlands and haven'

t bothered to swap

[fleet anchor]

When Sepsis proc'd true Vanish it had some crazy interactions, but then none of the other Covenants would have been decent without being MASSIVELY buffed

So our feedback was to remove that interaction

It's just unfortunate it ended up being so boring 😦

[teal bloom]

Would be a bit more exciting if ambush was worth using from stealth

[fleet anchor]

I think I would have made it so the extra thing from stealth did double damage or something

[hollow escarp]

make that ambush apply a 5cp rupture

[stoic needle]

I would've liked to see the world where sepsis vanished and the other covenants were also giga

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean the problem there is that they had been aiming at the time to depower Covenants

[stoic needle]

14cp ER finisher

[fleet anchor]

Not the other way around

[stoic needle]

I kinda like the 'if everything's op, nothing is' philosophy

But I guess they wanted to reign things in after corruption?

[hollow escarp]

diablo 3 style

[stoic needle]

I think they could've hit a middle ground by letting the stealth ability from sepsis give you cto/subterfuge/NS/FW at least

[fleet anchor]

It was during the time where the theory was that they were gonna depower the Covenants to make it less likely that one would be massively OP

Problem was that they left a few still massively OP lol

[hollow talon]

hey if im a necrobro is SBS more prio of a generator than mutilate?

[stoic needle]

During the gemstones windows

Or during shiv if you're running emeni

You can also do it during shiv with heirmir it's not a huge difference

[drifting cloud]

or to not be capped 😛

[stoic needle]

If you use the first one on pull out of stealth you won't be capped if you use them in every gemstones

Unless there's aoe

[drifting cloud]

what about lust on pull

[stoic needle]

I don't think the sim uses them during lust unless gemstones is up

Gemstones is usually up on the pull for the first time

[heavy birch]

9.1 Assassin pvp- which cov would be best suited for that

[shy dust]

necro

but #pvp