assassination

[balmy condor]

I did not

[indigo mulch]

even if sub is equal or even SLIGHTLY ahead sin will still be the to go tbh.

Its just how the fights are designed if you ask me atleast.

[low girder]

it was like 1% behind before wasn't it

[balmy condor]

It was 0.2% behind akaari

At 7.2

And then 2% optimization to 7.3

[low girder]

[round pecan]

how's assassination dealing in ptr atm with dmg?im new rogue btw

[balmy condor]

It received no buffs

So

I guess fine

[stoic needle]

deathspike is a buff

[balmy condor]

Yeah a 0.4% buff in single target over no legendary

[stoic needle]

i don't give a finnuck about single target

im talking about aoe

[indigo mulch]

I wish i could play sub, its actually pretty fun. Assassination will for sure be better though.

[low girder]

plays sin

wants to do aoe

[balmy condor]

#outlaw <— that way

[stoic needle]

i'd rather quit

[worthy heart]

I need rogue council: i'm progressing council of blood, but next week is push week: i have no clue on what to do if to stay venthyr for ST damage or to go back necrolord for the sweet rio

[stoic needle]

isn't our aoe better than outlaw's anyway

necrolord is better for council

because of sbs resets

[low girder]

if that were true where is your SLG dmg

[worthy heart]

Then i'm fucking r3tarded

[indigo mulch]

Just go back to necro. You prob wanna play necro for SLG anyway.

[stoic needle]

no rogue does damage on slg

[worthy heart]

You're right

[low girder]

it's all relative

[stoic needle]

my job is to kill goliaths and do boss damage and i'm doing that

[gloomy knoll]

no

[stoic needle]

i'm not trying to whore my overall on prog

[worthy heart]

Thats what i was thinking too

[indigo mulch]

That way you could go outlaw aswell 😄

[stoic needle]

i'm always top goliath damage

[gloomy knoll]

if deathspike is the aoe legendary for sin and sub

then they have no chance of touching outlaws aoe

because they have bladeflurry

[stoic needle]

idk about that bruv

[gloomy knoll]

at least until much higher density

[stoic needle]

fuu posted some sims with both sub and sin with higher aoe than outlaw

[slim sable]

!guide

[worthy heart]

Also it's not that bad for those instant 5cp on council is it

[slim sable]

!rotation

[stoic needle]

sin > outlaw on less than 5t, and sub and sin > outlaw on > 5t

[low girder]

that was like 8t over 5m

tbf

which doesn't exist

[gloomy knoll]

there's no way sin > outlaw on less than 5t

that's 100% cap

maybe 2t it beats it maybe

[stoic needle]

sin is better at 2 and 3

[low girder]

^

[stoic needle]

outlaw doesn't win til 4/5

[indigo mulch]

Actually sin does more damage at 10+ targets aswell 😄

if they survive long enough

[gloomy knoll]

and if you look at huntsman it's about 50/50

sin/law

i do think sin is better 2t tho

[low girder]

huntsman isn't really 2T sustained with random adds coming in and whatnot

if you do a proper 2T sustain sim sin crushes

[stoic needle]

i think overall it's close enough that you can play what you want

aka i can never play outlaw again

[indigo mulch]

I mean, i told my rogues to go outlaw for slg :p

[stoic needle]

My RL told me to go sin because we have 2 windwalkers, 2 fire mages, 2 boomkins

honestly i'd love to play sub on slg

[indigo mulch]

If you can't push goliaths without someone going full ST your doing something wrong.

😮

[stoic needle]

well i'm not going full ST

i still use aoe talents

[gloomy knoll]

ah good point mata

[stoic needle]

but i contribute more to the raid focusing on the goliaths than I do playing outlaw and killing spreeing the adds

[indigo mulch]

Its a lot easier to control the adds if you just go full ham AoE lol

[stoic needle]

we have 2 wind walkers and 2 fire mages and boomkins

and a havoc

they are controlled

oh and a frost dk too

[indigo mulch]

I mean i'm sure you killed the boss a couple of times. I havent even killed it myself 😐

[stoic needle]

nah we're still progging it

[indigo mulch]

I benched myself to become the 21th man.

[stoic needle]

after 2 nights we consistently get to grashaal

i think we can kill it in 2-3 more weeks at this rate

[low wedge]

btw does anyone know if the venthyr lego is bugged or does it increase vers for every combo point used during flag, and the reduce cd is always?

[gloomy knoll]

it's beyond bugged on ptr

[indigo mulch]

I honestly felt like p2 was easier to prog than p1 was.

[low wedge]

so it should be like the tooltip?

[stoic needle]

it doesn't seem to be too bad so far

i'm worried about the 2nd intermission but we'll see

[indigo mulch]

No, 2nd intermission is free

As long as your raidleader knows what hes doing you should have no issues doing the second intermission.

[balmy condor]

It’s bugged to shit, should be vers like the haste from flag on live, and cooldown reduction for the 12 seconds it’s active

So 12 seconds of ramping stats, and cdr, then 12 seconds of lingering stats

[low wedge]

the vers is not bugged then right? think thats how it is in ptr

[indigo mulch]

So why are people running ep/vigor for sire?

[gloomy knoll]

lots of p2 dam

[indigo mulch]

Is there a specific reason why people are? I thought blindside at p3 would just be super good o:

[gloomy knoll]

it's for parsing

[indigo mulch]

Ah yeah

[gloomy knoll]

blindside better for prog yea

[indigo mulch]

All my raiders are a bunch of parse horny mofos. They get really upset when i tell them not to blast everything D:

[wanton path]

Hey just got 233 dreadfire from vault, I know they changed it so 100% crit lego doesnt have any effect on it but what about vendetta or the MA talent? Just wondering if theres an optimal time to use it or just on cd?

[compact pumice]

Nope, just on CD

[fading wigeon]

That's the same issue in our SLG prog as well

People can't hold back lol

[wanton path]

aight ty so its just random

is its crit based on your base crit chance?

[compact pumice]

It's not really random, it's just on every CD. It's affected by you char stat crit yeah.

[wanton path]

yeh srry meant the crit just random not the usage haha

tyty

[compact pumice]

It's apparently affected by fire mages fire% damage though, so kinda unfair

[wanton path]

but not vendetta?

thats some bs

[compact pumice]

Nope

I mean vendetta says it only increases damage done by your abilities

[strange bear]

recently got 2 daggers and ive been trying out assasin, im 219 and always energy starved is this normal

[stoic needle]

Sin is just a slower paced spec

But you should also check your uptime on your bleeds

[compact pumice]

And remember to use poisons

[strange bear]

i havent really done anything but open world content so far, i just kill with envenmom cause the mobs weak

[compact pumice]

Try it out on some big mobs then if you want to feel how the energy is.

You will need to put up both bleeds to get energy pumping

[strange bear]

thanks for the advice ill go test it out on the world boss

wont be doing any dungeons till the weeekend

[frail fossil]

can someone check a hc hungering log real quick ?

i wanna make sure i didn't make an oopsie

except misstiming my pot

[hallow spear]

Is it worth to changing to Necrolord For Denathrius progress?

[drifting cloud]

nah

[frail fossil]

not rly no

[drifting cloud]

its only for overall, p3 boss dmg is about same

[strange bear]

@compact pumice yah that felt a lot better, but does haste smooth it out? coming from outalw im all vers/crit and only at 10%

[compact pumice]

Venthyr changes it a bit but haste is not really that noticeable other than a bigger buff like Flagellation

I mean it depends

on how you compare it but you don't really play differently, just maybe press a button slightly faster

It wont feel anywhere near as fast as Outlaw though

[stoic needle]

Haste only gives 1 extra energy per second per 10% haste

[low girder]

how much extra does it give from faster VW procs

i know it'll be miniscule

but you should add that

[drifting cloud]

yeah vw are most of the energy "regen"

[strange bear]

alright, thanks everyone. ill put in more practice to it. shouldnt expect it to be as fast anyway thinking about it since outlaw is one of the higher apm specs

[stoic needle]

dots tick at 2/(1+haste/100)

But I'm not exactly sure whether that's rating or %

I'd have to go look into it

At 17% haste my sbs ticks every 2.5 seconds, down from 3

[low girder]

yeah i wasn't sure what the conversion was

[frail fossil]

any feedback is appreciated https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G6Njp1fmyq7RXxhc#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

[low girder]

am i clicking a 98

even worse

[low girder]

fix ur shit

[frail fossil]

oh fuck it's private hold on

[low girder]

[frail fossil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G6Njp1fmyq7RXxhc#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

should work

[low girder]

oh right you're necro

making me think about using abilities i don't have

[frail fossil]

like my parse aint bad but 96 in hc aint crazy with a guy giving me PI too

[low girder]

tbf that kill time

pretty unfortunate

[slow marsh]

There's no way I pass up a 226 phial even if i have a 220 right?

[frail fossil]

sim it

[slow marsh]

Even for 226 socketed bloodoath signet with speeeeeed?

I am

[stoic needle]

There is only one Phial

There are like 6 rings equivalent to bloodoath

[slow marsh]

That's what I was thinking

[low girder]

idk man nothing jumps out at me @frail fossil

[slow marsh]

Because I'm sure the ring will actually sim higher

[frail fossil]

aight well that's ggood at least ty for taking ur time

[low girder]

maybe a necro could look at your sbs usage lol

[stoic needle]

U missed 2 shiv casts

[low girder]

fuck i forgot to look at that

[frail fossil]

i had to hold one cuz of consume one is cuz PI was coming in 10sec with vendetta

[stoic needle]

U should shiv even before consume

[frail fossil]

so i chose to hold the shiv

[stoic needle]

Holding for vendetta and pi is fine

Also why don't you cloak the consume

[frail fossil]

the shiv i missed like came right at the consume time like i wouldn't be able to get a single cast off after

[frail fossil]

u can cloak the first but not second

cuz of cd

[stoic needle]

Yeah that's fine, you slam it and then just run out

Better than not shivving

[slow marsh]

Wait why are you running out for consume though

esp on heroic

[frail fossil]

cuz it was a rando pug with one healer healing

[slow marsh]

Wait nvm you talking about second consume

[plucky briar]

is crimson tempest capped at 8?

[bronze fiber]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Seeing you here warms my heart flower

[cerulean nest]

so really quick, for council prog: BS or EP? Vigor or DS?

[frail fossil]

having to type here doesn't warm mine but u gotta do what u gotta do

[gusty mirage]

[frail fossil]

not cuz of yo uguys

cuz it means i'll play assa in the future

[gusty mirage]

its okay soon all rogue specs will be happy specs

even sub's getting some love

[frail fossil]

prayge

[gusty mirage]

and if sub's getting love, you know there's gotta be some other changes coming

because blizz doesn't give af about sub

[frail fossil]

i mean outlaw is tuned p well tbf

[cerulean nest]

anyone? i see basically equal representation on that

[gusty mirage]

its essentially a ST fight with some adds, EP should be close enough because you'd ideally be wanting to keep a second rupture up on one of the other bosses you're not killing

but I haven't killed mythic council yet cuz my guild's in roster disarray so take my advice with a grain of salt

[cerulean nest]

for sure lol. just rupture up on two, or garrote as well?

[pearl bluff]

Is there a cap, on haste, for assassination? And a general target for crit? 🙂

[ruby birch]

you can keep garrote up on both so why not

[gusty mirage]

yeah ideally, for the giga energy returns

[gusty mirage]

no caps, you want crit/haste though as your prio secondaries

[halcyon zealot]

no caps or breakpoints — just keep simming yourself

[kind talon]

up to 5 bleeds

on counci

[cerulean nest]

what do you mean?

[kind talon]

3 ruptures 2 garrotes or 3 garrotes 2 ruptures

otherwise youre spending too much time / gcds / damage on non prio

[gusty mirage]

5 bleeds gives the most energy return without wasting dps on dotting up everything

[ruby birch]

garrote imo is easier and gives you more time to pump envenoms

[pearl bluff]

Ok thanks! Right now I have 26% haste and 19% crit, so was wondering if I should gem/enchant for crit, but I just simmed, and it told me to keep my haste ench on my current ring and gem/ench for crit on new ring. Thanks y'all 😄

[cerulean nest]

oh gotcha, thats super helpful

so two on prio, two on second, and a garrote or something on third or an attendant basically

[ruby birch]

but again thats imo, rupture might be the better choice, i just find garrote easier

[kind talon]

pretty much

[gusty mirage]

yeah

opener w/ subt would be garroting all 3

[kind talon]

personally i will put up a garrote if they are close

[gusty mirage]

just to get some energy rolling

[kind talon]

or a rupture if they will be far

[ruby birch]

true, depends how your group does it too

some people tank them far

we clusterfuck em

[kind talon]

yep

[cerulean nest]

well im gonna go EP/MA/Vigor for prog for now

at least to start

[kind talon]

@cerulean nest im a big fan of blindside DS

[cerulean nest]

yeah?

[kind talon]

yep

with PB

[gusty mirage]

just tinker around with talents, even if something sims better doesn't mean you'll perform it better ya know? If you're more comfortable with EP/Vigor play EP Vigor

they're close enough where your play will make a bigger diff than the talent choices

[cerulean nest]

im totally fine with BS

[kind talon]

ofc end of the day play what u can

or what u want to

[cerulean nest]

yeah, i'll see whats up

[kind talon]

ep vigor is literally like

10 dps difference on single target to me

so it doesnt matter

[ruby birch]

same

[gusty mirage]

yeah its chump change, so another talent combo might work better for you

[cerulean nest]

kinda impossible to sim a council style fight though lol

with all the extra adds and shit

[gusty mirage]

yeah fuck that fight

[halcyon zealot]

the difference between BS/DS and EP/Vigor is so little (for most people) that playing what is more comfortable and natural to you will net you more dps than the “perfect” build

[gusty mirage]

it's literally balls

[kind talon]

council

you just sim singletarget

your add damage doesnt matter

unless you want to parse

[gusty mirage]

just 300 iq snipe the attendant with a 2cp rupture for full energy 😉

[cerulean nest]

lol i'll give it my best shot

[gusty mirage]

cuz others should be melting it asap

[cerulean nest]

mostly worried about my guild doing mechanics, thats always an issue

[kind talon]

the only things the adds matter for is using fok at 4 targets

ofc

[cerulean nest]

okay yeah i was gonna ask

[kind talon]

fok at 4+ targets

it only matters during p3

but also, if youre running blindside, then dont

[cerulean nest]

really hope they dont ask me to do interrupts

[gusty mirage]

ideally they'd want ranged interrupts because after frieda's dead there's a lot of movement

[ruby birch]

^

[gusty mirage]

and that's asking a lot of melee

[kind talon]

yep

[cerulean nest]

haha wouldnt be the 10th time

but yeah we'll see

[ruby birch]

im p sure its like only 3 interrupts

idr how often it happens though

[gusty mirage]

put a shaman on backup

ez

[ruby birch]

im sure 4 ranged are enough

[halcyon zealot]

we have melee kicks for frieda and ranged kicks for after image

[kind talon]

shaman op

[cerulean nest]

ill try bs/ds fuckit

[halcyon zealot]

and ya shamans are OP for sniping one that’s gonna go of

[hollow escarp]

I'm on the kick rotation but I always see others kick to generate resources

[gusty mirage]

yeah idk why spriests don't interrupt more

can't be bothered to stop their mindsear spam?

[cerulean nest]

also does an attendant come out early enough that i should hold CDs on pull until after?

[gusty mirage]

yeah if it comes out early hold CDs until its dead

[kind talon]

because pepega raid leaders and players think that

[hollow escarp]

depends on how fast the boomies kill

[kind talon]

ranged interrupt is a longer cd

so melee has prio

literally the thought process of my RL

"melee always get kicks because they have a shorter cd"

[cerulean nest]

does it not always come early?

[safe barn]

guys

[gusty mirage]

it does, but it depends on if the boomies can convoke it down or not

[hollow escarp]

I got called out for playing CT on Council

[cerulean nest]

ah ok

[ruby birch]

we usually have a boomer stand far

[gusty mirage]

if you see it get in range, just hold CDs

[hollow escarp]

can't fix blue parse

[ruby birch]

and he presses the convoke button

[cerulean nest]

cool cool

[kind talon]

get fucked

gg

[safe barn]

the optimal way of using vanish in m+ scenario is to use it when the enh garrote is ending?

[gusty mirage]

PADDER GONNA PAD

[hollow escarp]

hey, it's buff for doomblade

it's not pad

[gusty mirage]

hey I'm all for degenerate padding

[kind talon]

yep

-112 dps not pad YEP

[hollow escarp]

68

please

[safe barn]

and in pulls do i use it to spread more? like, in general we do 3 mobs with enh gar, if the pull is bigger do we vanish to apply more?

[low girder]

no one's said shit about my CT on sire

[gusty mirage]

I got a 96 parse on hivemind last tier playing m+ talents and traits

[midnight mist]

yo guys in ST is it ever worth to refresh rupture or garotte before pandemic if rupture is going to fall during ur shiv window? if not should u refresh it at the correct time and maybe sit on shiv for a little or refresh it during shiv window

[kind talon]

@hollow escarp

[halcyon zealot]

lol same, a DK steals mine about 25% of the time

[gusty mirage]

yeah you're safe to refresh early to avoid refreshing in a shiv window

[hollow escarp]

I noticed that

[gusty mirage]

but only refresh early if it'll fall off in the shiv window

[hollow escarp]

but look at those kill timers

my first kill was 10 min lol

only 9 min

[kind talon]

most of the players are taking PB

im a PB fan

[hollow escarp]

[gusty mirage]

PB is such ass tbh

[kind talon]

PB is a dogshit talent

true

but its better ST

[safe barn]

peanutbutter?

[kind talon]

and im a fan of ST

[safe barn]

[kind talon]

[stoic needle]

Yes and yes

[midnight mist]

ok thanks, is it ever worth to hold on shiv a little to pull energy or go to like 4cp to shiv->env? if so how much time can i hold shiv

[gusty mirage]

I would just shiv on cd

[midnight mist]

even at like 20 energy and 1cp?

[gusty mirage]

its better to have a suboptimal shiv window than ending up missing a cast later in the fight

[kind talon]

but also add in a fok for that energy pump

[hollow escarp]

[midnight mist]

kay and i should try to pull energy and get some cp before shiv get off of cd right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you can hold some CP without overcapping energy before shiv comes off CD

[midnight mist]

okay thanks is it a problem if i unfortunatly get to max cp before pressing shiv?

[gusty mirage]

if you're at max CP just shiv anyway

[midnight mist]

okay thanks a lot

[safe barn]

guys

zoldyck on legs?

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

make sure you laugh at osh for making them haste/vers

[safe barn]

i made my doomblade hast/vers

[kind talon]

nice parse

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

yeah but I made mine on the shoulders

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

I can't troll people about doomblade

[kind talon]

oxi

[stoic needle]

Shoulder doombladers

[midnight mist]

oh yeah last question i think, garotte inside shiv window is fine right?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

listen man I had 220 crit/vers shoulders at the time and 226 haste/vers gloves

[stoic needle]

So is rupture

[gusty mirage]

it made sense at the time okay?!

[midnight mist]

oh and also if shiv is going to end and i have 2 or 3 cp should i send a last env?

[stoic needle]

No

[grizzled root]

which legendary should i go for considering i will only do raids with assa

[stoic needle]

Doomblade

[hazy flame]

can dreadfire and shriekwing not crit anymore?

[uneven plume]

Got 226 phial from vault 😄

[balmy condor]

they can, they're just not affected by the master assassin legendary anymore

[plucky briar]

do you hit crimson tempest in st?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hazy flame]

@balmy condor same for talent?

[balmy condor]

out of shiv to maintain

[balmy condor]

talent has never worked with trinkets

[hazy flame]

ok thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[spice spire]

@ me

[low girder]

@frail fossil

[frail fossil]

[low girder]

it's ok i had a finality all of 9.0.5

[frail fossil]

i can recraft it on hands atm

but it's a downgrade

until i have 233 shoulder

[midnight mist]

oh yeah i had one last question about envenom uptime, should i play around it ? maybe try to pool some energy to do 2 envenom in a row or something

[echo cargo]

My boy Ion saying rogues need raid utility

[hollow escarp]

[low girder]

not really, 2 envenoms in a row you lose uptime, just pool to around 90 energy before hitting envenom if nothing else is going on

ie no shiv, no vendetta, no flag, etc

and dots are up

[midnight mist]

yeah that what i meant i think, like if i pool to 90 i will be able to chain another envenom to get better uptime right?

[low girder]

that's the basic idea, yeah, it just also does the job of pooling for shivs and stuff

with the same principle

[midnight mist]

kay thanks

[plucky briar]

at 3 targets, you still don't press FoK for damage?

[balmy condor]

Nop

Only to spread poisons on 3 targets

Fok is garbage

!sims

Hm

!sim

[stoic needle]

!scaling

[balmy condor]

!mut

Uh oh

[stoic needle]

Moroes ded

[hollow escarp]

bot ded

[balmy condor]

Give it 2 minutes

Probably just restarting

Hey @prisma monolith buddy you okay? :(

[hollow escarp]

he is offline

[hazy flame]

in your opener when you vanish-envenom-mutilate and land on 4cp do you use your last MA global on envenom or go up to 6 cp

[hollow escarp]

mutilate

[hazy flame]

sorry for trinket question btw didnt notice it was in the pins

kk

[low girder]

this is also why you can vanish mut

'cause it won't matter

[balmy condor]

Happens, I put a lot into the pins, it’s kinda hard to not ask a pinned question

Is the boy back

!mut

[low girder]

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

Free my boy moroes

[kind talon]

[sinful fable]

So, reading the FAQ in the pins, we're not holding shiv for anything and literally just shove it in on CD?

[balmy condor]

Yep

I should add a note about shiv vend tho

We hold shiv to line with vend when they’re close

[sinful fable]

I am guessing if its close to 3-4 seconds off?

[hollow escarp]

10-12

[halcyon zealot]

i think it’s more like 8-12

[sinful fable]

ah

[balmy condor]

Yeah

A max of 12

But it usually lines up to be about 10ish

[sinful fable]

ah cool

[grizzled root]

is sub and assa rogue loot spec same?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[grizzled root]

poison bomb or tempest for raids?

[balmy condor]

Bomb for single target no movement, CT for anything more than that

[plucky briar]

another question: where does sbs fit in the opener? Don't see it in the ravenholdt guide

[balmy condor]

First global

[icy ember]

thx for answering this question

[balmy condor]

[icy ember]

!macro

i've never tried !macro in this channel, is moroes dead?

[zenith zinc]

Should i use crimson tempest on single target? Feels like its just a waste of points and energy at that point, and i barely get any envenoms off

[sinful fable]

hmm, I manage 4.5k dps non buffed (besides poisons) on a dummy, 223 ilvl. feels like I'm doing something wrong :/

[zenith zinc]

If i have it talented for mythics, i mean

[drifting cloud]

you use it on st outshide of shiv windows

[shy dust]

Yes

If you’re talented into CT

You maintain it outside of shiv

[zenith zinc]

okay

thats a pain in the ass lmao

but thank you guys

[drifting cloud]

so rae do we reach ct on st point in 9.1

maybe one day poison bomb will rise again

[shy dust]

HB will rise

[icy ember]

i hope it changes into an ability

[shy dust]

Which?

[icy ember]

or something that follows the mob around, poison bomb

[indigo mulch]

I wish they would make exsang great again. It's so much fun but so bad outside of extreme haste levels =c

I wonder what rogues raid utility will be that Ian talked about.

Smokebomb?

[echo cargo]

Probably

[strange python]

When do we get the next cycle of mortregar? Been waiting for doomblade

[drifting cloud]

just force spawn it in twisting

[strange python]

Wait thats possible?

[drifting cloud]

yeah you go layer3 or whatever it needs to be, keep resetting till you get it and just finish first 6

[strange python]

Omg thank you

[heavy trail]

You will have had to completed twisted corridor 1,2 though to do that

I guess on at least one toon

[sinful fable]

hmm, both my outlaw and assa sims 5050 without buffs, and on a dummy I manage to hit 4.9k on outlaw but barely breaking 4.5k on assa :/ Is the vanish that big? (Not vanishing cuz dummies are dumb)

[wise gull]

Finally starting to figure out sire

this fight has been really fun to learn

I feel like I should be doing like 800 more dps on p2 though

[indigo mulch]

You should sim on training dummies instead.

There an option to change.

[safe barn]

Can the latency ruin my EP window? Cause even though i sim higher with EP on ST i do more DPS when running BS. (I'm always around 150ms)

[stoic needle]

No

There's nothing to ruin about an ep window

[heavy trail]

blood elf rogue is level 7 lol 🙂

[cerulean nest]

ugh the pull on council feels like shit

[tired vessel]

council: worth dotting up extra mobs for energy gainz?

[cerulean nest]

waiting for the attendant

[wise gull]

yeah assa feels really bad on council during prog

the first attendant shouldn't be touching the boss though

[halcyon zealot]

just use the time from pull to first attendant to get your 5 bleeds out, hopefully by that time attendant is dead and you can pop

[halcyon zealot]

up to 5 total bleeds (2 rup 3x garrote, 3x rup 2x garrote, etc)

[tired vessel]

wordd ty!

[halcyon zealot]

np

[sinful fable]

Right is simcraft on training dummy, left is ingame details

doesnt look like I'm goofing too hard, or am I missing something?

[halcyon zealot]

[cerulean nest]

was trying to do this without vigor and it was ass. switched and its much more feasible

[halcyon zealot]

yeah i use EP/Vigor on council

just feels a lot smoother for me

[sinful fable]

yeah I know, kyrian for now since I dont do anything ultra serious

[cerulean nest]

yeah it was night and day making the change just now

[sinful fable]

any input would be appreciated (except reroll venthyr lulw)

oh, to clarify, why I'm wondering is that I sim 4.9k on dummy, ended up on 4.5-4.6 ingame. on outlaw I simmed 5k and ended up on 4.95 :>

so I am scratching my head where those 400dps should come from

[halcyon zealot]

well - for one you probably simmed with hero, windfury, mystic touch, etc enabled; which will inflate your sim

[grizzled root]

whats the best potency conduit for raid?

[sinful fable]

i didnt

those are no buffs, on dummy

[halcyon zealot]

other than that, theres not much to comment on with what you linked, a log is much more helpfull

[sinful fable]

maybe I should just log me doing rotation on a dummy for 15 minutes and see if someone smarter than me can give me some clarity ^^

[halcyon zealot]

that is 100x easier to analyze than those screenshots :p

[sinful fable]

yeah I know, was mostly wondering if someone saw something horribly wonky 😄

(DONT SAY KYRIAN)

[halcyon zealot]

hey - someones gotta play kyrian

[sinful fable]

actually... running Master assassin talent but not using vanish at all during those 10minute fights

that cant possibly equal 300dps can it?

[halcyon zealot]

lol if youre not using vanish at all ?

you wanna line vanish and vend up

[sinful fable]

yeah im not using it at all due to it breaking my detail logging if I do 😄

[halcyon zealot]

yeah thats a big dps loss 🙂 you wanna sync vendetta and vanish together

[sinful fable]

yeah line up vanish with vendetta and shiv

[halcyon zealot]

by either having 4/5 cp and vanish into envenom mut or vanish mut env

[sinful fable]

I technicly know how to use it, but just didnt due to dummys being dummys. just didnt think it was that big

but if its big then that would explain it

so 10 minutes, that's 5 vanish usages with MA talent that im not using

[dawn ivy]

it wont equal 300, but its certainly a dps increase

[sinful fable]

lets say it equals 150-200

or to be fair, lets say 100

that would put me within 100-150 dps of simdps. that aint too shabby for an hours work

[compact pumice]

you can combatlog a training dummy and upload to WCL

[strange python]

If you’re not using vanish as a cd then you’re just wearing a high ilvl ring or bracers

You might as well not be wearing a leggo

If you want to get a good idea of your damage on a dummy with details you should get another player to just hit it that should keep you in combat. Be in the Same group

[weak horizon]

hey @balmy condor can you take a look at my logs for mythic shriek? I feel like I should be doing far more damage if I'm good... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4ZdJDMA3rvnqxag1/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[halcyon zealot]

Kill time is a big thing on shriek

[strange python]

Your dps is fine considering your TTk

[halcyon zealot]

that 2nd intermission is the killer to ur dps

[strange python]

Ya

You topped be happy

[weak horizon]

ahhh, gotcha thx

[hard atlas]

so both my legos are 190 (zoldyck) and (MA), im waiting for soul ashe to make 235, but im ganna be mythic raiding on my rogue, would MA or zoldyck do better?

and if i do MA do i take sub talent?

[odd hazel]

im just guessing Zoldyck. since it would be more consistent. ( i think ? ) i guess the crit would be nice from MA.

doomblade is our best raiding leggo though.

[hard atlas]

yea i havent gotten it yet sadly

[strange python]

Is it not from torghast

Doom

[balmy condor]

I believe so

it's easily farmed

[strange python]

Americans can you tell us if it’s up this week

If not you can just go into twisting corridors and get it

And I would make doom 100% even hold ash for it. You’ll use it on like every fight other that sire

I’ve just beeen taught that iqd is awesome for sin and now I’m excited af to try it

@balmy condor if I sim iqd does the rogue apl hold the second vend. If I sim 5 mins patch

[hard atlas]

yea its not up this week, ill end up making it this week

[strange python]

You can get it from twisting bro

[hard atlas]

yea thats what i ment, ill farm it this week, i just didnt have ashe to make it so far

[cerulean nest]

man i am struggling on council

[hard atlas]

council sucks ballz

[cerulean nest]

havent felt like this on a fight before lol

can you evasion stavros lunge?

[hard atlas]

no

[strange python]

Mythic?

[cerulean nest]

yes

[strange python]

What’s going wrong

[grizzled root]

whats the best conduit for raid?

[cerulean nest]

i feel like its just our mechanics which is making my dps ass

i get targeted for recital, and the little route we take pulls me out of melee range

and if im in melee range I get hit by stavros

im wasting time dotting an attendant because it doesnt die instantly

so i do a tiny bit of damage to it but feel like im dropping my other bleeds while doing so

idk just feels all over the place. im sure practice will settle it down

[balmy condor]

sim yourself :)

[grizzled root]

I mean i just started playing assa so i was wondering what others think

[compact pumice]

we are also using a route that it's hard to be in melee for. Tbh we should change but, but my temporary fix was just to go outlaw instead. Do a lot more damage since I can stay in range while running.

[odd hazel]

do you have logs any where?

[cerulean nest]

here's our longest pull. im ashamed of it even though its literally our first night learning lol

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/13byPWcdBkawLqZm#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=21

basically just chaos the whole time

[odd hazel]

im not sure how it is on mythic but, dumb quesiton. are you cleaving at all?

[dense axle]

hidden blades or CT for Donny prog?

mythic

[cerulean nest]

im trying to keep dots on a second target

[dense axle]

I see like equal representation in top logs

[odd hazel]

dont do that

unless its diff on mythic its a damage loss to cleave

because they just return to full health

[ionic kelp]

CT

[cerulean nest]

from the conversations ive had in here, its to maintain energy

[ionic kelp]

HB is full on padding lol

[dense axle]

makes sense

do you run EP with that?

[odd hazel]

Ah----- you're doing fine from what i'ev seen

sucks though if you're getting targeted a lot

[dense axle]

looks like most are running EP

so nvm

[ionic kelp]

Ya

[dense axle]

how do you handle P1 adds, I like to line my Shivs up with the cast

but youd want to be CTing at the time

do you just try and offset it and get CTs in on adds and then shiv after?

[odd hazel]

have yo utried running BS/MA/DS?

[ionic kelp]

No I shiv on CD

[dense axle]

and damn the adds?

big pad yo :P

[grave dock]

P1 adds are pure padding

[ionic kelp]

Just fok CT adds

[cerulean nest]

yeah i started with that, and i honestly couldnt manage all the dots + attendants without vigor

[ionic kelp]

Then envenom dickhead Donny

[cerulean nest]

so i switched halfway through

[dense axle]

you FOK at 3+ or 4+?

thats prolly in pins, sorry

[balmy condor]

3 to apply poisons, 4 to generate

[dense axle]

A+, ty sir

[ionic kelp]

yup and there’s always enough mini adds

[dense axle]

we're lookign at getting close to a kill this week so I wanted to be dialed in completely

[ionic kelp]

I think when you get to the last two cleansings you might only have 3 adds

[cerulean nest]

i mean is sub with the stilletto conduit a horrible alternative to sin on council?

the flow just overall felt icky and inefficient as sin

[loud niche]

sims show that my ST is stronger as 3320021 but top perf sin rogues are using 2310021 on sludge?

[stoic needle]

i figured out that on SLG if you sbs grashaal a split second before you pull you can get a spike up on him and on kaal at the beginning of the fight, pretty much every sbs after that will give you 4 or 5cp which is pretty sick

[dense axle]

@stoic needle omg, thats a hot tip. Lots of extra CP that way

[stoic needle]

your sbs basically has to be the thing that initiates combat because grashaal becomes not interactable while he's in the air

[ionic kelp]

Pillar amp for sludge is where most of the damage is and where you’re holding everything for, that’s why everyone is running EP for more finisher damage

[loud niche]

i see

i dont get that fight heh.. i still only blue parse it ~_~

[honest siren]

depending on your groups dps sometimes it scruff the numbies if you kill before, or way after 4th pillar

[dawn ivy]

is HB and CT an actual dps increase for pad on sire?

[neat tartan]

Good morning all, is 194 ilvl the highest obtainable for World quest that gives EQ?

[gloomy knoll]

pi is for cheaters

@shy dust

[drifting cloud]

3? really @shy dust

and even a 4:24 kill timer

[gloomy knoll]

i coulda done better

i had to move so i didn't get my full 2nd vendetta

can only blame myself tbh :/

[drifting cloud]

im playing arti with 2 vendettas in mind

[gloomy knoll]

*3rd vendetta

i'm so sorry brother

[drifting cloud]

I inted yesterday to succ then I got the cheat dr bug

[gloomy knoll]

big oof

[drifting cloud]

was at 6.5k at 3min with everything ready

big sad

[gloomy knoll]

yea was top 10 forsure Q-Q

[drifting cloud]

maybe not top10, but top20 prolly

[gloomy knoll]

yea 1005

*100%

[loud niche]

someone got a top 100 parse with the wrathstone trinket from timewalking raid....

[hard atlas]

for doomblade slot i do hands correct?

or shoulders?

[dawn ivy]

if you have no shot of getting SLG shoulders, shoulders

if there is any shot you can get slg shoulders, hands

[hard atlas]

makes sens ty

[drifting cloud]

even if you have no shot at shoulders it still might be hands

just depends on your vault gear/or if you have pvp stuff

[hard atlas]

doesnt shoulders give more main stat?

[brave vector]

man i've no idea what im doing wrong with zoldycks

[hard atlas]

^^^

i feel the same

[brave vector]

have no issues doing around 6.5k overall with MA in dungeons but i cant break 6k with zoldycks

[hard atlas]

zoldycks seems like it doesnt do a dame thing

[drifting cloud]

shoulderds and hands give the same amount of stats

[honest heath]

Is sin pretty comparable to outlaw in m+s? And we would use zoldyk right for m+? I tried out outlaw and just didn't like the feel

[upper spear]

Having a hard time choosing Necro or Venthyr

[plain thistle]

@light jacinth wtf cheating (denath mythic)

nibren is a HB padder

[light jacinth]

what is that

i dont even look at logs anymore

[plain thistle]

0.1 above me

completly fucked my CT uptime on p3

[light jacinth]

what can i say

just a gamer

i barely go to raid anymore and i still have a 213 weapon because i rolled back to rogue like 2 weeks ago

[plain thistle]

jesus

I have like 9 denath kills, still no weapon

but I have 2 226 at least

[light jacinth]

we got like our 2nd wep token last week

healer got it though

[strange python]

anyone know if we use shadowcore oil and phantom fire potion or sharpening stones and agi pots for ST??

[drifting cloud]

theyre all super close doesnt really matter

but if youre doing the venthyr pot cheese on pull you probably wanna phantom fire

and if you arent and dont like variance just use stones and agi

[strange python]

mmk tyty

[mighty owl]

you can sim it too

!oil

rip moroes still

but if you search that

[strange python]

!oil

?

lol

[balmy condor]

the bot should have a command for it

but the bot is rip atm

hold on

[strange python]

no worries

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

there

XD

[strange python]

tyvm

[halcyon zealot]

1% M SLG wipe

[summer horizon]

!bis

[balmy condor]

well

that one isn't gonna work even when the bot works

[low girder]

find your bis here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

[hard atlas]

hows my stats looking?

[balmy condor]

fine

[hard atlas]

i was told aim for 25 haste

but siming it dont say more hsate

[balmy condor]

that's a dumb thing to aim for

[hard atlas]

haste*

[balmy condor]

magic numbers have helped no one

[stoic needle]

Don't listen to whoever told you that

[hard atlas]

lol ok, im still not used to not stacking mastery

[random drum]

What's optimal stats iyo?

[hard atlas]

all my sims keep goping haste/crit

so now after re simming cuz i just got 2 peices haste my most needed now and then crit again

[stoic needle]

haste and crit are usually good for ST, crit and mastery for AOE. vers is always decent

[hard atlas]

so in M+ what do you aim for? just much crit mastery you can get? wouldnt that make us lack on boss

[balmy condor]

I highly suggest the pins, lots of good information in there, and I'm definitely not biased because I'm the guy who wrote them or anything

[manic harness]

Hey boys

Any rogue news from the interview today?

Love 💘 yall

[balmy condor]

ion said rogues have no raid utility

and that's about it

[manic harness]

Lame

[stoic needle]

I go for as much crit as I can get and an equal mix of haste and mastery

There's no one right way to do it, it's just personal preference

[loud niche]

that feeling when you get passed up on SLG shoulders because a boomie wants to "upgrade" from his vers/mastery 220's to 233 crit/vers shoulders...

[hazy crater]

I mean.. thats a 13 ilvl upgrade

[loud niche]

yeah, i'm also using 220's

and they're actually BiS for me, they are not for him, I'd wager a pretty penny that 220 mast/vers sims higher

but boomie feelycraft

[hazy crater]

super feelycraft and probably incorrect

[low girder]

yeah you'd be incorrect

[novel frost]

is Zoldy lego good in Blood council progress?

[steady sinew]

idk maybe :9

[hazy crater]

not really, would use doomblade

[strange python]

Zoldycks decent for niklaus 0-50 burn

[novel frost]

yup cause we struggling 10% less 😦

but im doing decent single target damage so i guess doomblade is fine

[strange python]

Doomblades fine ye

[balmy condor]

council just single target

[random drum]

OK so as much haste as possible, thanks

[balmy condor]

that's actually just not what that means

[strange python]

You ever use raidbots bossman

Top Gear is real good for finding out what gear to where

[low girder]

also droptimizer

[strange python]

Stat priorities are a thing of the past just use a sim

[odd meteor]

!wa

[loud niche]

noice. just simmed it, my boomie guildmate lost .1-.2% dps going from 220's to 233's, I would have gained .5-.6% Pog

[loud niche]

were you saying I would be incorrect that his 220's sim higher than the 233? Because I simmed it 🙂

[low girder]

i mean i simmed our own boomkin and he gained +20

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and those were 226s

[loud niche]

i mean i can show ya the sims, unless i drop the IQD down to never proc he's losing dps on them. and if i did that, i would gain even more from them than him :S ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber lion]

Did you also sim gems/enchants?

Because IQD relies on having your 2 best stats as highest

Changing one piece can mess that up.

[hazy crater]

yep

could just link the sim

sounds unlikely that a 13 ilvl upgrade would be a dps loss

[loud niche]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9AycgiE2UUTr2ZxVsQTyVB

you tell me why raidbots is wrong

[loud niche]

without his simc how do i go about simming all his gems? they could certainly be wrong

[hazy crater]

you can just convert an armory to simc input nowadays

but this is no longer sin conversation so should probably take to pm's

[arctic apex]

Hey so I'm coming back to rogue after a bit of a break. IQD is apparently great for us? I'm just curious why its so good an what is the optimal way to use it? On CD as long as I'm getting a stat buff from it? Line it up with Vendetta? Any advice?

[balmy condor]

you want to line with vend and get crit from it

[arctic apex]

coolio! thank you so much!

[balmy condor]

np

[limber lion]

Just use gear compare and just change one of the vers gems to mastery.

[limber lion]

IQD is big dam and it works wonders with the MA talent.

[gusty mirage]

hi im new here, how do I get dos to drop an IQD

don't laugh at me @low girder

[low girder]

if i knew the secret i would tell you

[hazy crater]

speaking of lining it up with vendetta

when is it going to be fixed in the sims

[gusty mirage]

my guild reprogging xymox apparently, ruined a good parse for me

[low girder]

[ionic fox]

okay so question. I was pumping hard on sludge with Elab plan and Vigor. I went with it cause even Non PI logs are running it. When did it overtake blindside and deeper on ST?

Is it just cause sludge is a short fight?

[gusty mirage]

more on demand damooj

to maximize the pillars

[ionic fox]

ye also i see it on multiple other ST fights

[balmy condor]

it's just more pooling and better burst

that's all it is

[low girder]

yeah it doesn't ever overtake on pure ST

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor I kinda want you to look through this log and see where I could improve but I'm also scared to expose myself as a fraud

[ionic fox]

what aabout darkvein?

[low girder]

darkvein isn't ST

you'd take it on cleave. huntsman, inerva, probably SLG but i played outlaw

that kind of thing

sire too if it's farm

[ionic fox]

people running it on hungering also

without PI

[balmy condor]

yeh those people are clowning

[low girder]

yep

[ionic fox]

but they are rank 5 xD

[balmy condor]

so?

[low girder]

good players can pick bad talents

see: outlaw

[balmy condor]

parses are like 10% correct talents

[low girder]

there's top 10 sire parses with HB

i have 0% confidence that's the right pick

[ionic fox]

thats just pad

cause after reclear dont need extra p3 dam

[low girder]

no like, i have 0% confidence that's the right pick for pad

[ionic fox]

HB?

[low girder]

i would bet money CT is better

in every case

[ionic fox]

ohhh you can pad really hard p1 lol

[low girder]

not really

you get one 12k fok

per add

[ionic fox]

i mean i dont see any top players running hb

[low girder]

literally the top log on sire

is HB

for sin

public, anyway

[ionic fox]

oh forgot to swap boss

lol

[low girder]

point is, talents matter less than playing well

[ionic fox]

well that guy got PI plus necro owns p2 dam and that prob when he got pi

[hazy crater]

well if you want to count that out I think just like 2 ranks below is a venthyr with HB and no PI

if I recall correctly

[ionic fox]

true

[hazy crater]

meme talent but if you play good you can parse

[low girder]

i'm enjoying the PB% going down every week lol

[ionic fox]

i mean hb did 307k for him

thats some meme pad but guess it works lol

[low girder]

and if you look at esra's CT it was 12% of his dmg. pure breakdowns don't really work out well.

my point is, EP isn't better on 1 target. doesn't mean you can't parse with it though.

[ionic fox]

ye ye

[stoic vale]

i want to try to play assa in m+ this week because of the r.io challenge, which talents are the play and is doomblade or MA leggo viable? dont have zoldyk

[ionic fox]

zold is just the play xD

[low girder]

if you won't make zoldyck MA is fine

[ionic fox]

MA though

[low girder]

i wouldn't do doomblade

[limber lion]

No doomy in m+

[fallen arch]

I play Doomblade in M+ because I lack another leggo. It’s fine for me, big boss damage

[gusty mirage]

I think I'm refreshing my bleeds early a lot

[fallen arch]

Bring to pumpers for packs tho

Two*

[limber lion]

Don't.

:)

[stoic vale]

and talents? still poison bomb?

[fallen arch]

No

[limber lion]

Always CT

[gusty mirage]

EZ log review

[fallen arch]

CT all the way

[stoic vale]

okok

[fallen arch]

And EP and Subt

[low girder]

yepyep

[limber lion]

NS MFD with MA.

[low girder]

is it actually better with MA

[fallen arch]

Ah ye that’s true

[low girder]

was under the impression they were equal

[limber lion]

No

[low girder]

welp

[limber lion]

NS MFD is equal to Subt Vig Zoldyck

But quite a bit better than Subt MA

[low girder]

ah

[fallen arch]

Can’t disagree with Cev

[stoic vale]

any special conduit? im necrodude

[fallen arch]

Does anybody ever?

[low girder]

occasionally 😛

[limber lion]

I do say some dumb shit on the occasion.

:p

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion

doesn't seem too excessive

[low girder]

i'll go through it too if you wanna link

with the added bit that i'm not necro and can't help with sbs

[gusty mirage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/brYhXDft9dPN6pKA/#fight=last&type=casts&source=12 have it, see that I'm a fraud who gets fed PI

also I'm most def not optimizing my SBS for sure

[low girder]

shadowgrasp

i guess it's on the ground and not based on you

prolly fine, initially i was like wait

[gusty mirage]

its a big radius so I just pop it on pull cause we lust "farm" bosses. You know farm bosses we wiped multiple times

[low girder]

lmao

wtf how are you using snd with no combo points

prepull

[gusty mirage]

open with sbs (:

[fallen arch]

Magic

[low girder]

it doesn't show the sbs

it just shows totem

lmao

[gusty mirage]

yeah

I think I was the first hit

like a CHAD

[low girder]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

I saw a wrath hitting the boss and just bone spiked

[fallen arch]

Usually it’s pyro’s hitting first here

Bitching mages

[limber lion]

I mean, looks great. Dump SBS during Gemstones and you're gucci

[low girder]

you got 1 wasted cp with mut

just 1 though

[gusty mirage]

so its just gemstone optimization then?

[low girder]

everything else was fine

[gusty mirage]

it was a good parse, but I also got 2 PIs so I'm kinda iffy about trusting the %

[stuck ivy]

Hello fellow sins

[limber lion]

Yeh, wouldn't count that. Could be result of boss parryibg a finisher and not noticing it and using Muti.

Happens to me sometimes as well

[low girder]

ye

happens to me on our sire pulls quite a bit

[limber lion]

Ye

[low girder]

fucking parry CTs

[limber lion]

It's annoying xd

[stuck ivy]

Best slot to craft Doomblade? I've seen gloves on top players, mainly due to CN shoulders? (This is for PvP mainly)

[limber lion]

Parrying CT is the worst because it eats up your combo points. On Env it doesn't.

[low girder]

yep, exactly that. if you won't have access to those either slot is fine

[stuck ivy]

the cheaper it is then 😄

ty

[limber lion]

Ye pretty much. I'm on mobile so I could be missing something, but the essentials look great.

[low girder]

and idk man, the shiv parry is tilting beyond belief. run it front to CT all the adds, see the parry

fall off your chair

[gusty mirage]

ty @limber lion and @low girder

[low girder]

np, ye everything else looks good

is WPS a necro thing? spoiled by lashing

wasn't sure how sudden fractures is on ST

[gusty mirage]

I simmed it before hand and it was a 83 dps gain over playing WPS + fractures

[balmy condor]

SF is solid ST

[gusty mirage]

cuz of gemstones me thinks

[low girder]

i just meant WPS vs fractures

[hazy crater]

SF sims better for me nowadays

even on ST

[low girder]

interesting

[gusty mirage]

it was close

SF vs WPS like a ~8 dps diff on top gear?

[hazy crater]

it is super close but SF is just better when you add targets so

[gusty mirage]

probably the difference of having a 213 WPS vs 200 fractures

[low girder]

ye probably

[gusty mirage]

I'm always so sketched out about sharing logs because I know there are times where I just brain fart all over my keyboard and I'm just sad

and I hate to waste people's time, ya know? esp if I knew I did the wrong thing

[low girder]

i mangled a couple of the p2 cds tonight dw

when you garrote in the MA window

YIKES

[gusty mirage]

residual ptsd from when zine used to roast tf out of me

[short hamlet]

So whats the method to post the big dam on Huntsman/Darkvein. Just garrote the adds with a poison up to give more energy gen? Or do we commit ruptures to those targets too

[low girder]

throw garrotes and ruptures up on the big adds, probably wouldn't bother on the small ones

at least on darkvein, they live for like 5s

[hazy crater]

yeah huntsman definitely keep all dots up on dogs

[short hamlet]

My guild takes Bargore to the far ends of the universe for that entire second phase. I won't be able to keep bleeds up there without losing huge uptime. Sad

[hazy crater]

That is indeed sad

[gusty mirage]

dot it up and

that it comes back to re-up bleeds

and pray your DHs actually do things

like grip

[random river]

What's the max amount of actions you can get out of Subterfuge? Is it 3 or 4? I just wanna know if ping is affecting me or not lol

[balmy condor]

3

3 seconds, gcd is 1 second

therefore 3 casts

[random river]

that's what I thought ty

[strange python]

hello guys

for legendary is hast/crit right ?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[limber lion]

I would sprint and reapply bleeds and shadowstep back. It's a huge dps loss not to do that and the 2s of running is nothing in comparison

Doing that without step/sprint/door/soulshape can be awful though

[fast heron]

Does Mutilate take Offhand Weapon Dmg into Account?

[shrewd night]

wdym

[torn atlas]

If you make sure you have Vend available for the Huntsman vulnerability window you'll pump huge dam.

[shrewd night]

Mutilate do two separate attacks for mainhand and offhand

[fast heron]

thank you 🙂

[tribal marlin]

if you play with blindside you have to make dog your primary targets when they are below 35% as well

for mutilates*

unless boss is also at 35% ofc

[obtuse ruin]

Can anyone tell what’s a decent uptime for garrote rupture and CT for a full dungeon? M+

[balmy condor]

depends how you're counting

[limber lion]

That being said, you shouldn't use Blindside on 2T.

[torn atlas]

I switched to EP and Vigor (still questioning this choice) for my most recent run and found it to be a considerable improvement on my previous runs.

Over using Blindside

[limber lion]

As you should.

[tribal marlin]

i'm not changin talent 10 time in a single raid tbh