assassination

[final star]

Heck yeah gamer

[heavy trail]

I sense the patronizing but I guess it's applicable 🙂

[compact pumice]

I think it's more like their effort to help celebrate your achievement while themselves trying to remember how it was starting out and/or having seen similar situations and how they felt at least a few times. Don't really see how it's patronizing though.

[heavy trail]

Whispyr mocked me the other day for something similar so... all in good fun though 🙂

[final star]

We're not patronising you

Well, I'm not anyway

[torn atlas]

Nah dude. We all play the game at our own level and passing that goal that you set is awesome. Now for all 10s across the board!

[balmy condor]

I mock everyone

I mock rae and he’s world top 100

[sullen fossil]

If you are being bullied by whispyr just throw the 34% crit card

Always works

[balmy condor]

Yo I’ll eat your ass

[heavy trail]

I actually feel so far based on how I stack up against the tards in my pugs, could probably not embarrass myself in 15s which is why I find the whole thing kinda entertaining 🙂 I have done a few higher than 10 though so I am reaching for the stars!⭐

[sullen fossil]

<3

[balmy condor]

How’s the damage looking?

[final star]

Did u try EP/NS/MfD yet too

[heavy trail]

If you actually cared I might respond

I'll just go watch you in the marcellan online for a chuckle 🙂

[balmy condor]

Why would I ask if I didn’t care

[fallen arch]

To mock

[balmy condor]

That just seems like more effort

[heavy trail]

That question sums it up since it answers 🙂

[fallen arch]

Care enough to mock

[heavy trail]

Anyway thank goodness you are a plethora of information and entertainment so I don't mind as long as I can have some fun also 🙂

[balmy condor]

I’m not mocking?

Is it really that hard to read when I’m being serious

[sullen pagoda]

toxic smh my head

[balmy condor]

I mean I try my best to make it fairly obvious

But clearly if people think I’m just mocking them for fun

Then something has gone terribly awry

[final star]

@sullen pagoda no u

It's the boy who cried wolf

You mock enough, people only think you mock

[sullen pagoda]

I'm nicest person ever, pillar of community

[final star]

Same

If I can't be happy, no one can

Just stay washed up

[sullen pagoda]

I left my guild so soon to be one of washed up rogues not raiding anymore

[turbid harbor]

castle nathria very good raid

[sullen pagoda]

the best

[shrewd night]

They may have mistaken you for me

[balmy condor]

Every now and then I say stuff that rubs people wrong or I get snappy but it’s usually just a random quick thing with 1 dude

For two people to agree at the same time

That’s concerning

[low girder]

Toxic ever since TB fan

Don't remember the quote anymore

[grizzled trail]

When I’m playing assa and the tank tells me to soothe

[obtuse ruin]

dont everyone?

[spice spire]

This was the turning point of whispyr /s

[compact pumice]

“I did, it’s on CD” - me, who used it for damage 9 seconds before enrage

[grizzled trail]

Big truuuuuu

[low girder]

Nah it was this, took me a minute to find lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/754967728028123156/image0.png

[shrewd night]

wtf is that shit

[low girder]

The day whispyr got hit with the "big ego"

Before the green days

[shrewd night]

I read that back

Holy smokes

[low girder]

[verbal mantle]

[hybrid cosmos]

Hey guys, the guides ive found agree on Slice and Dice beeing the first finisher, but in higher logs i have seen some ruptures with the first CP, is there any secret i dont know about? shouldnt mean much ofc, was just wondering

[low girder]

More than likely prepull shenanigans to get SnD up before the pull. Sometimes that can mess up logs as well and you won't see it in their active buffs.

[hybrid cosmos]

hmm yeah didnt think of that

makes sense

ty 🙂

[low girder]

Np

[final star]

Are they using mfd

[low girder]

Mfd would also do that ye, just not something I think about since most people don't use lol.

[vernal steeple]

can you mfd snd, then tome to switch talents and keep the snd buff?

[ancient kraken]

you cannot switch talents that are on cd

[vernal steeple]

ah of course

rip

[stoic needle]

You can switch specs however

MfD as sub > switch to sin and pull

[low girder]

Man, and I'm supposed to swap to theotar and back

That's too much

[compact pumice]

This seems very good. Are you doing it every pull?

Might start to do it tbh

[stoic needle]

No I cba

Never done it probably never will

[honest karma]

Was doing this with the rats on huntsman, but dont think ill ever bother getting early snd with tomes or specc change

[stoic needle]

I really don't think it actually matters enough to be worth the effort

[heavy trail]

@stoic needle Are you horde or alliance i forgot to ask

[stoic needle]

Horde

[heavy trail]

Ah darn we can't M+ then this week I am a NE 😦 lol

[stoic needle]

Why are you the wrong faction

[fallen arch]

Why are you

[drifting merlin]

Ok , i know this is not really an Assa question but kinda sort of 🙂 Im trying to find some Nameplates i like 🙂 . Right now threatplates and i like the Big CC notifier that shows Kidney and Garrote debuff. but i feel like with alot of mobs its hard to focus correct one.. ex birdboy on mythic Council is hard to find.. .. So what do ppl use or do they have some cool profiles for Threatplates ? ex plater you can find profiles on Wago but for Threath plates i cannot 🙂 (Sorry for the big question =

[stoic needle]

Playing alliance in 2021

[fallen arch]

Playing horde, like, ever

[heavy trail]

Shadowmeld is so nice though...

[stoic needle]

You have to play with gnomes

[fallen arch]

I think he’s more referring to the amount and quality of people

[stoic needle]

That too

[fallen arch]

Horde always had the most players, most hardcore players, best guilds and whatnot

I just don’t feel at home there tho

[heavy trail]

@drifting merlin I created WA for my stuns and took em off my nameplates and let big debuffs add them to the right side intead. (nice and separated)

and my NP addon of choice is Kui mainly cuz it has a really nice name only function that hides the plate if a friendly target isn't damaged etc. Perhaps you can that with others as well though

@stoic needle I was gonig to level a BE one for giggles and to play with my brother's son; got a decent name so who knows might level it up for practice but yeah unfortunate I won't have you fellers able to carry my NE then. So sad

[drifting merlin]

@heavy trail Yeah i got all friendly plates just showing names (and have it done with plater and Elvui.. ) might be time to check KUI once again 🙂 .. Just trying to get some clean nameplates that shows me the info i want without extra things i dont really care about.. Doesnt make it better that i got a druid that both dps and tanks aswell.. :p time to dig deeper into it once again 🙂

[heavy trail]

I am sure you can filter out just about anything with any of those no?

[cyan prawn]

Progressing at Sire Mythic P3
Zoldyck over Doomblade, right?

[shrewd night]

Depends, are you free to change now without fucking over timings etc? The difference isnt giga, but zoldyck is preferred.

[compact pumice]

Plater is great and has a lot of good profiles. Very nice when you configure your dots to show up in a special way compared to just normal dots (and blacklist helps to keep that part clean too).

[drifting merlin]

@compact pumice Yeah , one thing i didnt like with the profile i had for plater were that it did overwrite the threat colors when i tanked.. But i guess i need to dig deeper into it :p

[compact pumice]

Mine does different things depending on if I'm tanking or not

So that's a setup thing I guess.

[cyan prawn]

haven't tried it without DB yet but we do get into P3 with ~40% when the timer automatically puts us into P3

so I'd assume it'd be fine

[compact pumice]

DB is very good for P3 as well so you don't need to change it. With DB you have a legendary for the first vendetta in P3 and most logs it does more damage overall in P3 than Zoldyck so (unless things have changed).

[pliant apex]

just upgraded trinket to skulkers over sins, since this is 1.5 min cd over 2 min, wont line up with vendetta everytime, how do i use it in raid environment?

[honest karma]

I think u should just use it on cd, just be abit careful so skulkers dont fuck you over

[sick cairn]

hey, ive been venthry for a while, is necro lord really good for raids as well?

cause ive been thinking of swapping

cause i like the M+ viability of it as well

[fading wigeon]

Has no interaction with any of our stuff, just hit on cooldown

[fading wigeon]

Then go for it

[honest karma]

I swapped from venthyr to necro and the loss isnt a big deal, just gotta get used to it and NL feels really good in m+

[sick cairn]

yeah, but like will it affect my over all raid damage?

i feel like ill have less ST

[honest karma]

U will have abit less single target, but not that much that u will notice

If u compare logs side by side u can see it, but i say go for it!

If u think it sucks conpared to venthyr u can just swap back anyway 😁

[sick cairn]

oh okie

thanks

if i go necro

this will be my 4th 40 renown

HAHAHAHA

depending on the meta of 9.1 i can always switch

[pliant apex]

is skulker harder to use than memory of sins? can you mess it up?

[sick cairn]

skulker can put u in a place where u will die

[honest karma]

It got a charge in it

[sick cairn]

because its very specific where it will place u

at the center of the boss's hitbox

[honest karma]

And that can fuck up abit, like on slugdefist

[sick cairn]

id say memory can be really good

since there are chances other people would have memory

although on sludge

[honest karma]

Or in m+ a bad timed skulker might stun the while grp during pride

[sick cairn]

u only want to use skulker on every pillar

true

skulker will definitely kill u in PF

100%

u will always blame it in PF i swear

if skulker doesnt kill u in PF i will give you 5k gold

but the catch is that u use it off cooldown during the fight, thats the catch

[honest karma]

Hahah haven't tought of that, when and where does the skulker betray you in PF?

[pliant apex]

umm should i just stick with memory?

im not a max min kinda guy

[honest karma]

Skulker is nice if it sims better, just dont use it when there is soaks or shit that might kill you on the ground

[pliant apex]

that sounds hard to do tbh..

im an average player

is it hard for average players?

[dark crag]

Skulker works like dfa, it jumps to a set position from where you stand

[honest karma]

Its not hard, u press it and in the next couple of seconds u will charge to the nearest enemy and deal dmg

[dull cloak]

just dont press skulker when its not safe

[pliant apex]

charge to enemy? what you mean

i press and keep dpsing right

[brazen eagle]

Legendary to use in mythic+? Doom blade fine ?

[tulip nacelle]

doomblade has no value in 3+targets, zoldyck or ma is better

[pliant apex]

wait how do you use skulkers on a boss, it seems hard

i gota go away 8 yard from boss?

[quiet valley]

No, it procs in melee

Most of the time atleast, it used bug out sometimes but idk if thats fixed. Would play memory over skulker 10/10

[sick cairn]

@honest karma SLR i was busy

okay

what ive noticed in PF is that when u use Skulker, it deilberately moves u infront of the boss

not on, but infront of the boss

skulker:
1st boss= slime crash= death
2nd boss= jumping thing= death
3rd boss= stun circle= team wipe
4th boss= tentacles, slime circle, slow moving but high damage mobs= death

thats basically the thing

[quiet valley]

Thats just using it at a bad time 😅 all of those can be prenvented unless trinket bugs

Thats like using killing spree as outlaw, just needs some thought

[sick cairn]

what ive said up there is using it at 100% up time

so if u want 100% usage on it, ure gonna die

[quiet valley]

My issue with skulkers is that sometimes it doesnt proc and on multiple targets u can hit the wrong target

[sick cairn]

true

[quiet valley]

I mean 100% usage isnt going to be possible

Just by design of the trinket

[sick cairn]

i know, but im talking about in combat

[quiet valley]

But sure

[sick cairn]

i think 100% usage was the wrong word sorry

i meant off cooldown if i could change my words

[quiet valley]

No i get what u mean

But since it relocates ur character u always have to consider if this is an appropriate time to use it

[bleak sky]

skulker's on multiple targets is just so wonky

[sick cairn]

very true

although there are times when ive used it i like it

the best way imo to use it

if u cant be bothered to move ur character

and u still want to continue rotations

while tank is moving boss

use skulker

it basically waited for me to reach max range before pulling me back to the boss

[pliant apex]

its easier right?

[quiet valley]

Easier than what?

[visual prairie]

it's just macro'd to an ability for me except on sludgefist. i take my chances

[stoic needle]

Skulker's is garbage

[visual prairie]

SkUlKeR's Is GaRbAgE. oshosi has spoken. so it is, so it shall always be

[hollow escarp]

Skulker's is not garbage

unless you are using it on council

[heavy trail]

Isn't it worse than easier to use trinkets that don't provide issues and stuff ?

[stoic needle]

[pliant apex]

you saying that is good enough for me lol, yea im sticking with memory fuck 70 dps plus

[quiet valley]

70 is big af though. You can use skulkers whenever it doesnt matter which target it hits

[hollow escarp]

CT vs PB is also 70 dps difference

[quiet valley]

Would kill for a 70 dps upgrade

[shrewd night]

Ring enchants are probably around 70 dps increase too

[quiet valley]

(That isnt going venthyr lol)

[shrewd night]

[hollow escarp]

trying to find excuses to play CT on Council

it empowers doomblade

[shrewd night]

"Reason 1. Padding"

[hollow escarp]

ez

[stoic needle]

70 dps is kind of a lot

But I'm sure there is an alternative that you can farm from a dungeon so that you don't have to use that god awful trinket

[hollow escarp]

yea, but doing 4200 dps on council is depressing

[quiet valley]

Been playing council without dk and with 3 boomies, no padding available

[thorny pond]

Run to the waiters, fuck the raid

[quiet valley]

Been doing that a bit

Netted me an orange parse at least

It was a struggle though

[thorny pond]

Step out sprint in. Tell your boomkins enjoy their green parse

3 boomkins is cancer anyways. That's so much not boss damage

[pliant apex]

Yea but how do I use skulkers on single target just press the button and keep on doing what I do?

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[pliant apex]

So why’s it garbage then

[thorny pond]

Boring bad trinket

[pliant apex]

Bad how ?

[thorny pond]

Comparatively it just isn't as good as others at similar ilvl

[stoic needle]

Because it doesn't always work, it's impossible to choose your target in multi target, and it can get you killed if you use it at the wrong time

All of those caveats for a minor dps upgrade over similar items

[pliant apex]

On st it’s good though?

[thorny pond]

Eh

[stoic needle]

It's fine

[thorny pond]

Better farmable trinkets

[alpine latch]

Skulkers is the one that puts you behind the target right?

[hollow escarp]

no

[thorny pond]

IQD and esp phial are better at 220

[hollow escarp]

it jumps to target

[alpine latch]

yeah

[pliant apex]

Well should I use it or not ? It’s +70 dps over my 213 sins rn

[hollow escarp]

not behind

[leaden timber]

Skulkers is good at st

[alpine latch]

We've wiped because tanks were using that

[leaden timber]

Esp u get it on 1st mythic boss

Very accessible

[cerulean nest]

what talent setup should I be using for council prog then?

not padding lol

[pliant apex]

I’m confused whether to use or not now.. should I at least use on pure st bosses?

If yes which ones

[thorny pond]

What do your sims say

and what are your other options

[pliant apex]

+70

213 sins

[leaden timber]

There u go

[thorny pond]

Then probably, but it's kinda cancer in M+ or multi target fights

[pliant apex]

I don’t do m+

[thorny pond]

like on council if you are on frieda and it hits Nik

that's a waste

[pliant apex]

I won’t use on council

Any other fight not to use on?

[thorny pond]

I was just giving an example

Any fight where you can hit something that shouldn't be hit, puts you in harms way

[pliant apex]

Den gens council sun king i would just use sins

Everywhere else should be ok yea?

[slender berry]

skulker is fine on anything besides council

[thorny pond]

It can probably be fucky on Artificer with traps. Haven't used it since heroic prog tbh

[slender berry]

even on council its good if you use it on the shield adds

[pliant apex]

If it’s +70 what do I do

Ignore ? Just stick with sins ?

[slender berry]

people told you like 10 times that you use it

what do you wanna hear?

[pliant apex]

No ppl told me conflicting stuff don’t condescend

There wasn’t one clear answer

And I’m a mediocre player, I don’t know the class well at all

[slender berry]

trust the sims

[pliant apex]

In fact below mediocre

Sims didn’t say it’s bad

As several ppl have pointed

[sick aspen]

quick question about talents, the pins show sims using blindside on the sims but a lot of parses are using elaborate, has the build changed or is there a "break point" where elaborate becomes better than blindside? or does it depend on which legendary you're using?

[slender berry]

it being better than what you have doesnt mean its good

if it sims higher use it

[pliant apex]

So should I use it in my situation

[compact pumice]

Skulkers will sometimes be terrible but I mean you can learn to use it. You have to go max melee range kinda to get it to hit your target instead of another

[thorny pond]

Elab can be pretty close. It's also better on fights like Sludge where you need controlled burst

[pliant apex]

That sounds really hard

[slender berry]

its not just use it and youll see

if it bothers you you will notice

just play around with it whats the worst that can happen

[mossy sable]

I hate the repositioning aspect

[compact pumice]

It’s like IQD in the sense that it will sometimes do nothing, like hit a critter for 25k has happened to me. The only special thing about Skulker’s is that it can and will kill you. Kind of like Killing Spree can kill you

[sick aspen]

@thorny pond ahh, ok ty 🙂

[pliant apex]

The max melee thing won’t be a problem on ST right ?

[mossy sable]

It's broken chains in the past on Sludge

[pliant apex]

Yea fuck it then

[hollow escarp]

I used it on last boss in Plaguefall while tentacles were dropping

[compact pumice]

Well if you pop it in sludgefist then try to run out you can get pulled back in again

But usually no

[hollow escarp]

not sure if lag or whatever was there, but I didn't take any damage from tentacles

[mossy sable]

Not as much anymore since they buffed the chain range on sludge

[slender berry]

on sludgefist you use it during pillar and you can wait till the chains are gone there

[thorny pond]

Using during non pillar is a waste anyways

[mossy sable]

Yeah but by then hes already knocked us back

[slender berry]

no

[pliant apex]

How to use it on opener ? Like vendetta - skulker- sepsis ?

[hollow escarp]

you can use skulkers to counter knockback on sire as well

[cerulean nest]

I've had a skulkers on almost the whole xpac and it's literally fine lol you can learn to control it pretty quickly and not get yourself randomly teleported

[mossy sable]

I tend to use Velf TP for that

[hollow escarp]

velf

[compact pumice]

Any time, can be the first spell, it’s off GCD and not affected by any of our spells so fire away

[hollow escarp]

never thought void elf racial will find such an end game use

[mossy sable]

XD

[pliant apex]

Oh ok , and then everytimen on CD ?

[mossy sable]

It's also good on Xymox

I can use it to be able to grab 2 seeds

[pliant apex]

Thanks I’ll try it

[mossy sable]

Hook as outlaw with seed next to boss, run to 2nd seed and cast teleport, grab seed and run back and with around a 1-2sec window activate TP to leave blue circles

[hollow escarp]

I guess for raiding void elf is actually better than night elf

[mossy sable]

I mean it's really select scenarios

[hollow escarp]

ofc

[mossy sable]

I just try to make the best out of the ability

[compact pumice]

Not if you never used the TP in raids at all. I’m way better as Orc than I was Velf

[hollow escarp]

also when I was alliance, we never had issues with traps on Xymox

because everybody used racials

[mossy sable]

Ehh we have issues

[compact pumice]

I mean the tp is like slower than walking so it has very niche uses

[hollow escarp]

it goes away as well

if timed incorrectly

[mossy sable]

Our group has no hunters anymore and we dropped a few DKs as well

So it's legit up to Myself as a Rogue and 1 DK to soak all traps

[little sky]

can someone take a look at this report - it's just an example but i find myself consistently behind in Envenom damage. I assume i'm using shiv wrong, but can someone else confirm this? SO i can target better my errors

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dLcMf4ThZtCNVvFn#fight=11&type=damage-done

[mossy sable]

And I have to grab seeds cause nobody else knows how to do that shit

[compact pumice]

Don’t you have mages?

[mossy sable]

None

[strange python]

All the mages quit when they got slightly nerfed

[compact pumice]

Scuffed comp. but then like even Boomkins handles seeds well

[hollow escarp]

real questions, aren't backups on Xymox supposed to cover when seed carrier is dead or ghosted?

[strange python]

If they ain’t god tier Bliz babies. They don’t play 😂

[hollow escarp]

like I get called backup because the guy wants to dps

have to use cloak for that as well

[mossy sable]

So our main group stopped running heroic and this is the 2nd kinda 'Hey we still wanna play" group

[strange python]

Dead or ghostly bois = backup seeds or it gets fucking weird

[compact pumice]

Holy shit, why even assign that person then

[mossy sable]

Thats the classes we got

[hollow escarp]

no idea, hunters

[gusty mirage]

imagine not being able to "dps" when your class can literally do backflips and use their abilities

[strange python]

Xymox isn’t even a dps check

[compact pumice]

Just outdps him and tell him to fuck off

[gusty mirage]

tell him to go BM so he can AFK half the fight

[hollow escarp]

already did

1st part

[gusty mirage]

I'll never understand bad hunters

[strange python]

I swear. All the demon hunters from 8.3 just rolled regular hunters

[hollow escarp]

don't bully me

[gusty mirage]

I would never

[mossy sable]

1 Ele Shaman
1 Enchance Shaman
2 Ret Pallys
1 UH DK
1 Balance Druid (Who has to full heal sometimes cause we only have 2 heals)
1 Fury War
1 Arms War
1 Aff/Demo Lock
1 Destro Lock
and Myself

Thats all we got

And 2 DH tanks

[gusty mirage]

I only bully osh and bodeeny

[stoic needle]

You should be shivving on cooldown but you aren't

[strange python]

Make a tank reroll monk

[mossy sable]

Our monk is on his Warlock cause we needed damage

Hes the Aff/Demo

I didn't even want to join the raid, I got asked last min to join cause they needed 1 more dps

[stoic needle]

2 rets a fury and an arms

[hollow escarp]

no bully melee here

please

only ranged

[stoic needle]

[mossy sable]

The Arms and Fury also dropped off after first few pulls

[strange python]

Ret isn’t melee. They just divine storm and then not divine storm

[mossy sable]

So guess who had nothing on their token

XD

[hollow escarp]

I haven't seen rets that much this tier, I guess no reason to raid when you can get 2400 so easy

[strange python]

Yep

[mossy sable]

We have a lot of rets in our guild

I am the only rogue who does PvE

We have 2 who do PvP

The rest are just peoples alts

[hollow escarp]

the pvp rogues have higher ilvl than you, right?

[mossy sable]

Yeah

[hollow escarp]

I feel like it's always like that

[mossy sable]

226 and 40% vers or something

[strange python]

Them PvP weps tho

[mossy sable]

I forget the vers

[blazing sapphire]

What's our best on use trinket? IQD? Dreadfire? Or do we want to use phail and another passive trinket?

[hollow escarp]

IQD is very good in perfect scenarios

and phial is our best passive trinket

no clue about SLG and Sire trinkets, but those are not accessible to everybody

[strange python]

Rip 190 phial from helping a guildie

I have a 220 toxin trinket that sims well w/ IQD

[blazing sapphire]

Gotcha! Thanks

[stoic needle]

Iqd is bis if you're venthyr

[blazing sapphire]

I've got an IQD just don't know if I want to spend the valor to upgrade it

[stoic needle]

Vessel is marginally better for other covenants

It's amazing

[gusty mirage]

maybe in 30 minutes I'll get a 226 phial

[hollow escarp]

[blazing sapphire]

You're aiming to get haste off of it?

[stoic needle]

You want crit

[blazing sapphire]

kk

[gusty mirage]

can't wait for another ring to add to my collection of 7 rings

[stoic needle]

With the ma talent and crit iqd you get 100% crit in vanish

[gusty mirage]

I'm like tom brady over here

[stoic needle]

For other covenants crit and haste are equally good

[wary ice]

still rocking 210 rings w/ sockets :^(

[gusty mirage]

you can have some of mine 😦 @wary ice

[blazing sapphire]

Thanks for the replies! I appreciate it 🙂

[stoic needle]

I need a 2nd mastery ring

[wary ice]

❤️ good friend

i got plenty

[stoic needle]

No 226 boe?

[wary ice]

Hoenstly im not allowed to complain i made a very conscious choice to ignore the maw until it is fun.

[bleak sky]

here's to hoping for an IQD/phial from the vault

[hollow escarp]

I want helm, shoulders or belt

[gusty mirage]

may all your vaults be blessed with the fattest of the loots

[hollow escarp]

or 226 off hand

[hollow river]

Lol I’ve gotten 226 ocarinas and rings for the past 3 weeks

[hollow escarp]

ocarina

[stoic needle]

Imagine not taking the ultimate simping trinket

[hollow river]

Ocarina is bis

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

I mean, party buffs are underrated

[stoic needle]

Sell the ocarina to the dps in your group

[hollow escarp]

let's be real

[gusty mirage]

fuck the party

[kind talon]

ocarina is cracked

[slow echo]

Hey how come the pinned message says not to stack vendetta and trinkets, if I have a trinket that gives me agility for example shouldn't I stack that with vendetta?

[gusty mirage]

they get 10% vers in top and whatever weird ass buffs in plaguefall

and THATS it

[stoic needle]

"wts ocarina buff 10k/pull pm me"

[gusty mirage]

oh and primary stat when I bonespike

but if I could cancel LBE for my group I would

cuz FUCK em

[kind talon]

okay oxi we get it youre cool

smh

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

You can if it lines up naturally but don't hold your trinket for vendetta

[hollow escarp]

a good way to look at it is if the dh buff on magic would count as DH dps

[wary ice]

it specifically says not to hold damage trinkets for Vendetta

[hollow river]

Rofll

[wary ice]

Agility bufs are not damage trinkets

[hollow escarp]

that's what I mean by party buffs are underrated

[limber lion]

To do a weekly or not hmm

[neat tartan]

Is there 226 BoE Daggers at the moment?

[hollow escarp]

I did a 19, you can do as well

[halcyon zealot]

no

[gusty mirage]

nope, 190s are the highest

[stoic needle]

God imagine

[limber lion]

Yeh I'm just really busy, not sure if I have the time to do any

[neat tartan]

okay 😫

[hollow escarp]

yo, let's do a triple rogue key

[stoic needle]

If there were 226 boe daggers

[kind talon]

we did one yesterday

[limber lion]

But if I can blast one in like 15-20mins then maybeee

[kind talon]

osh me n esra

it was great

[gusty mirage]

226 boe weapons would actually be toxic

[hollow escarp]

[slow echo]

" Trinkets are not affected by Vendetta, shiv, master assassin (both), or any other spec mechanics."

[kind talon]

wait

i have the picture @hollow escarp

[limber lion]

NA

[slow echo]

It just says trinkets in general

[stoic needle]

Imagine not being NA

[wary ice]

read exactly one sentence further

[hollow escarp]

EU

[stoic needle]

It's referring to damage ones

[gusty mirage]

14 mists it is?

lol

[hollow escarp]

I have 19 PF

anybody up for it?

[gusty mirage]

the man's trying to finish in 20 minutes

[kind talon]

yo kojack

[gusty mirage]

not 40

[hollow escarp]

triple assa?

[kind talon]

check it

assa lowest dps in the key

gloominess-thrall was trolling us

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Yeh just need a proper group, usually those are either awful weeklies or boost runs.

[kind talon]

jk jk

[slow echo]

I see

ty

[stoic needle]

Listen I went doomblade to pump those bosses don't @ me

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle thanks for the invite

[hollow escarp]

we could find a tank/healer guildies or friends

weekly no leaver

in time

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage it was my key idiot

you'll come this week

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

he has me on his friends list

I was queuing my hpal in arena for 5 hours

[hollow river]

How is this week for rogue?

[kind talon]

ik i set it up in OT chat

[gusty mirage]

and no one saw anything wrong with that?

[kind talon]

i pinged them

unless u want to prot tank 17 pf?

[hollow escarp]

every week that isn't spiteful is good for assa rogue

[kind talon]

then go ahead

[hollow river]

🙂

[gusty mirage]

I have a tank

[kind talon]

i didnt know 😮

[compact pumice]

Dont shiv Shades, they die too quick to make use of the 9 secs
Shiv on CD
Try to get in 2 envenoms per shiv if possible. You only managed like once or twice there so try to pop stuff like Flag before Shiv etc. If you tweak your opener it might help with this.

[hollow river]

Heard this week bad on melee guess you just gotta be on top of it

[gusty mirage]

that's why I'm mad at osh, HE KNEW

[stoic needle]

This week is fine for melee

[amber mountain]

This week should be quite good for melee

[oblique tulip]

does marrowed gemstone from heimer affect trinket crits ? should i try to dreadfire with crit buff ?

[stoic needle]

Storming is annoying but just dodge it

[amber mountain]

last week was actually ok for melee too, if you weren't the tank

[frigid kestrel]

Na, dont dodge... Healers problem

[hollow river]

Yeah I pushed last week

[amber mountain]

watch yer feet

[stoic needle]

I'd love to see a healer that heals me through getting one shot

[hollow river]

Got some 14s and my first timed 15 🙂

[stoic needle]

Send them my way

[frigid kestrel]

Storming doesnt one shot you tho

[strange python]

Lol

[compact pumice]

Get guardian angel on CD

[hollow river]

Even in 15?

[stoic needle]

The mechanic it makes you get hit by does tho

[hollow river]

Lmao

[stoic needle]

Storming into the gruesome slice from the skeletons in NW

[wary ice]

honestly

[hollow escarp]

storming is a non-affix

[wary ice]

theres some rogue privlege going on rn on this storming discussion

As if all our specs arent 8+ yd melee

[amber mountain]

Storming into the storming into the storming into the storming

[stoic needle]

Wut

[wary ice]

Fok + CT

We dont have to stop dps to dodge storming

[hollow escarp]

we press a or d

[wary ice]

also bleeds xd

[stoic needle]

You have to use other abilities though

[compact pumice]

Storming is cancer for the tanks though. Could have a lot of dead tanks tbh

[stoic needle]

I'm not complaining about storming

It's a bit annoying but that's it

[bleak sky]

only if they're bad lol

[wary ice]

yeah

Its a bit annoying

cause you're a rogue

[mossy sable]

Whats the affix this week?

[amber mountain]

Storming is better than necrotic any day for tanks

[wary ice]

Its fucking annoying if you're any other melee

[hollow river]

Why’s that

[amber mountain]

because other melee isn't use to moving

[hollow river]

Ooh

[wary ice]

becasue other melee doesnt have a 10 yard cleave as a builder

[kind talon]

storming isnt that bad

its bad for sure but

[compact pumice]

Yeah, melee healers such as palas can also be getting one shot by stuff. I wouldn't call it a non-affix though

[amber mountain]

I'm going to beg to differ, my fury warrior alt does just fine in storming 😛

[kind talon]

twinsies!

[mossy sable]

Is storming the tornado one?

[amber mountain]

yarp

[mossy sable]

Fuck

[hollow river]

If stuck out of melee range for too long, is it ok to fok-CT more than once?

[mossy sable]

That

[hollow river]

So you’re not wasting cp?

[hollow escarp]

I exxagerated a bit but it's an affix that you can outskill way easier than others

[mossy sable]

Fuck Tornados

I'd rather have Sanguine

[amber mountain]

no Zoot, that's how you get stuck up in the air

[mossy sable]

.....

[amber mountain]

keep your bits OUT of the tornadoes

[mossy sable]

But the succ is so gooooood

[kind talon]

?

[compact pumice]

It's not Sanguine Volcanic levels of outskill, but yeah.

[hollow escarp]

if Storming would make you immune to frontals or other ground effects while in tornado, that would be great

[stoic needle]

Just hold the cp for when you get back into range

[bleak sky]

just don't get hit lol

[compact pumice]

That would be nice, I would take stormings to dodge shit then

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

That would be hilarious

[mossy sable]

How do I do that?

[kind talon]

just dodge

[compact pumice]

Go outlaw

[mossy sable]

I do play as Outlaw in keys

XD

[bleak sky]

see tornado

move out

[compact pumice]

Stand by the range

[mossy sable]

The range get hit too!

[compact pumice]

No, shout at the tank to move away from cyclones

[stoic needle]

[compact pumice]

Nah the storms spawn close to mobs

[amber mountain]

the range should not be getting hit by tornadoes...

[hollow escarp]

last boss in HoA with storming can get cringe

[stoic needle]

Last boss mists

[hollow escarp]

funny how there you immune the soak

lol

[stoic needle]

[frigid kestrel]

Stupid question incoming.... in 9.1 the Cov Legos, is that considered to be a second lego you can equip? Or can you not equip a Cov lego and at the same time a normal lego?

[kind talon]

osh i cant believe you left WA

[stoic needle]

?

[mossy sable]

Still just 1 leggo

[stoic needle]

Oh wyrmrest

Fuck that dead server

[kind talon]

XD

[frigid kestrel]

Thats what i thought, had a guildie telling me different

[mossy sable]

Hes dumb

[stoic needle]

Deathspike

[compact pumice]

I think the worst part is, if there's only one storming like on bosses you think it's EZ and just forget it's there, and then you run into it while dodging a mechanic to proc Cheat Death

[hollow escarp]

trusting guildies

[amber mountain]

Does teh guildie play hunter Nullfox? Sounds like a hunter

[stoic needle]

I can't wait to be unethical

[mossy sable]

Could be a DH player

[amber mountain]

true

[mossy sable]

Who swears they are the best at DH

Cause it's high skill

I mean look

Dropping darkness

[stoic needle]

It's definitely a mage

[amber mountain]

eesh

[frigid kestrel]

Monk

[mossy sable]

High skill move

[kind talon]

its still gonna be better for outlaw than assa

no matter how hard

you try

[mossy sable]

Deathspike?

[amber mountain]

I have a DH in my guild that plays 100% by mouse clicks...

[stoic needle]

[amber mountain]

and still gets top 5 dps

[mossy sable]

I have a DH in my guild who doesn't have WASD as movement keys

[limber lion]

WoW is not a hard game.

[mossy sable]

They move entirely by mouse

[kind talon]

yep

currently it just flurries

[mossy sable]

Yee

[stoic needle]

Inb4 no one runs deathspike because it's bad on st

[mossy sable]

No

I will run it

[hollow escarp]

wow is easy to get into, but pretty hard to master

[mossy sable]

And run celerity

And run a 3rd leggo

I RUN EVERYTHING

[gusty mirage]

tbf they only have to click like 3 spells

[compact pumice]

Okay everyone knows a clicker or two, but has anyone seen people play with the click-to-move shit like Diablo?

[little sky]

thanks. will try to make it better then.

[gusty mirage]

imagine not using mwheelup and down

[hollow escarp]

I wouldn't make fun of clickers

[mossy sable]

Atleast my talents stay the same so I am not the hunter going "Can I get a Tome/Summon" between every single boss

[hollow escarp]

after I saw the video of the elite rogue that soloed the Plaguefall bosses

[kind talon]

limit max is a clicker

[little sky]

i'll make a better CD tracker for it - i probably lose it in the meantime.

[stoic needle]

I feel like this shit is actually good if you can get used to it

[mossy sable]

Agreed

The Sub rogue?

[hollow escarp]

yes

in #wow-general

[mossy sable]

Like imagine

If that dude

Stopped clicking

He could be a god

[hollow escarp]

he is glad though

he got glad while clicking abilities

[stoic needle]

He kinda already is a god

[mossy sable]

He would be the best rogue in the world

I know lol

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

well, clicking required FPS skills

[hollow river]

That’s it I’m going back to clicking

[stoic needle]

He's like rock lee

[compact pumice]

imagine not bringing 20 tomes just in case for the hefty price of like 400g

[stoic needle]

Playing with the training weights

[mossy sable]

They are expensive on my realm last I checked

Like 400 a piece maybe

[compact pumice]

wuht

[stoic needle]

Tomes are like 500g each wdym

[hollow escarp]

58g

[mossy sable]

I haven't checked in afew weeks

Logging in now

[hollow escarp]

you can check on theunderminejournal

[mossy sable]

I'll check and let you know

[hollow escarp]

dot com

[bleak sky]

wow's up btw

[compact pumice]

Tomes are so cheap I use it to not have to run back to an inn while I just left to do world quests

[mossy sable]

Or

[hollow escarp]

faster

[mossy sable]

Behold the masses as they run to the vault

[kind talon]

[mossy sable]

Yes

I main Outlaw

Fight me

[kind talon]

#outlaw

[hollow escarp]

^

[kind talon]

[stoic needle]

If you haven't stepped out of a key in progress to tome your talents you arent a gamer

[hollow escarp]

if you haven't finished a sin key with CTO on, you are not a gamer

[kind talon]

😎

[compact pumice]

I have Loot Spec outlaw tbh. Since a poxstorm Main hand is STILL the best upgrade I can get from vault, for all specs combined

[stoic needle]

Fuck poxstorm

[mossy sable]

I swap loot spec depending on the dungeon

[kind talon]

swords are rly good for assa rogue

yep

[stoic needle]

I'm never playing outlaw again

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

I'm gonna do that after I get 226 off hand for sun

[mossy sable]

if it has a dagger and no 1h

[hollow escarp]

already got 223 pox

[mossy sable]

I run Sin spec

Happy now????

[hollow escarp]

better

[compact pumice]

same shit, different name

[gusty mirage]

don't let them bully you

[mossy sable]

I mean

They are rogues

It's kinda all we do

[kind talon]

[mossy sable]

What about now, is this better?

[gusty mirage]

now you're ready for gladiator

ggs wp

[mossy sable]

Noice

[kind talon]

i never knew that a server could at the same time be the most passive aggressive and the most helpful

until i met RH

[mossy sable]

You should go into the Transmog chat

It's a hoot

[kind talon]

ye

its funny as fuck

[mossy sable]

Full set stfu

But hey

These gloves

Could look good

On your ugly ass set

[kind talon]

[frigid kestrel]

Ive legit never been in an channel thats not Sin, Sub, or TC

[hollow escarp]

last time I was in transmog they were talking some weird lore stuff

[mossy sable]

I only go in Law/Sin and Transmog

Oh and PvP

[compact pumice]

What's there to chat about when it comes to tmog?

[mossy sable]

To ask about Outlaw PvP questions

[frigid kestrel]

I accidentally clicked OL channel once

[mossy sable]

And get told stfu and don't play Outlaw in pvp

So I mean

[hollow escarp]

I like #wow-general because I feel like it never goes off topic

[mossy sable]

Yay helpful

[frigid kestrel]

I verbally abused myself afterwards

[kind talon]

TRUE

[compact pumice]

Well, they aren't wrong

[mossy sable]

So now I play Sin in pvp

[stoic needle]

outlaw channel https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-gif-9901572

[mossy sable]

And seem to do no damage

[compact pumice]

what. Sin blasts in pvp

The burst is insane

[mossy sable]

I barely get 1k on the meters

[compact pumice]

And damage on cleave and just pure damage output is sick

[mossy sable]

Not saying Sin is bad

But I am bad at Sin

[compact pumice]

I almost feel bad for just eliminating someone in an MA window

almost

[mossy sable]

I don't have MA

I run DS in PvP

[bleak sky]

220 iqd from vault

not bad tbh

[mossy sable]

I didn't run M+ last week so nothing for me

[compact pumice]

I mean it's a fairly good strat, your win condition will most likely be dampening though

[stoic needle]

literal stygia gaming

[hollow escarp]

decanter is good

[stoic needle]

no it's not

[kind talon]

VAULTS UP BOYS

[hollow escarp]

I mean

I got 90 parses on mythic with that

[kind talon]

😎

[mossy sable]

RIP

[kind talon]

stygia gaming

[stoic needle]

that dreadfire is good

[mossy sable]

I have it already

[hollow escarp]

osh, don't tell me you never had a 226 decanter

[stoic needle]

why would i use decanter over iqd or phial

[frigid kestrel]

Tough choice

What do i pick

[stoic needle]

flayedwing toxin obvi

[kind talon]

flayedwing toxin

[mossy sable]

EW

Ew

[kind talon]

for sure

[mossy sable]

Ew

No

Fuck that trinket

Ew

[kind talon]

iqd sucks

its simbait actually

[stoic needle]

wdym its bis

[kind talon]

if you think about it

[stoic needle]

flayedwing = infinite damage

[kind talon]

iqd = stats?

i dont even understand how stats work

[hollow escarp]

didn't you say like 1 hour ago you don't wanna waste valor on IQD? lol

[compact pumice]

That 200 Skulker's looking mighty nice

[mossy sable]

flayedwing = infinite damage IF You remember to apply it

After every death

[stoic needle]

actually i think the decanter might be better than the ooze for m+

[hollow escarp]

and SLG

and Council

[frigid kestrel]

???? Why would i say that when i have a 220?

[kind talon]

meh

decanter sucks

ooze sucks

take stygia

[frigid kestrel]

Got me a shiny new 226 Flayedwing boys

[limber lion]

No way yoy actually chose that

[hollow escarp]

on Shriek

[limber lion]

No way you got baited by the discord

I don't buy it.

[kind talon]

ceve

hes obviously joking

its ok

[hollow escarp]

[frigid kestrel]

Ye id never

[hollow escarp]

what if?

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

Ye, didn't think so.

[hollow escarp]

have you guys saw the clip of that guy picking Stygia instead of loot?

[mossy sable]

I mean

[limber lion]

Ye

[mossy sable]

I did it once

[hollow escarp]

because he thought that was a confirmation button lol

[mossy sable]

I did it cause my loot was ass

Then I relized

[hollow escarp]

or maybe he thought you can have both

[mossy sable]

Just pick loot and sell for gold

[frigid kestrel]

Ive done it for 3 weeks honestly because of bad loot choices

[compact pumice]

Stygia is nice tho, I wish you would get 7200 though

[stoic needle]

that clip

[kind talon]

i think i opened my warrior vault in wrong loot spec

fucking PROT

[hollow escarp]

always arms ma dude

[kind talon]

LMFAO

[frigid kestrel]

But sockets

[mossy sable]

Lol

Imagine doing teh rep for her

[hollow escarp]

what rep?

[compact pumice]

Rep was done months ago

[hollow escarp]

you get that in first month

[thorny pond]

226 weapon finally

[compact pumice]

Now it's on all chars

too

[stoic needle]

imagine not having sockets

[limber lion]

Already got 2 mythic raid options from the vault

[mossy sable]

Imagine grinding that rep for it to be useless in 9.1

[limber lion]

Maybe I'll skip weekly m+ for now

[hollow escarp]

noo

[thorny pond]

No

[limber lion]

I'll get a 233 wep anyways for sure

[hollow escarp]

let's do a 3 rogue key

[stoic needle]

every socket is as big of a dps upgrade as a piece of gear

[thorny pond]

M+ is life

[limber lion]

It has to be a real quickie then

[mossy sable]

Any ally who wanna do a 3 rogue key

XD

[limber lion]

Like a 14

[mossy sable]

I wish I wasn't ally...

[hollow escarp]

I wanna attempt my 19 PF tonight

[mossy sable]

Ally sucks...

[hollow escarp]

got a group

[hollow escarp]

I just transferred horde last week

[mossy sable]

My guild is still Ally

[hollow escarp]

left the night elf dream

[mossy sable]

So I am staying

[compact pumice]

Just swap, it's worth it tbh

[stoic needle]

your guild probably sucks too

no offense

[mossy sable]

I mean if I swap it's not like I can get into big guilds

[compact pumice]

Difference in the size of the communities are huge

[mossy sable]

I do heroic raiding rn

[stoic needle]

not with that attitude you can't

[hollow escarp]

I can tell one thing for sure, an alliance guild at 7/10 M is better than a 7/10 horde guild

you are horde osh

you can never know

[gusty mirage]

fuck you blizzard

[limber swallow]

I'm taking stygia....

[compact pumice]

Damn I want those boots

[stoic needle]

ANIMA BATTERY GANG GANG

[hollow escarp]

that's some nice boots

[gusty mirage]

stygia 2 weeks in a row

[gusty mirage]

I already have em

[compact pumice]

One for each foot

[limber lion]

Pog wrists

[mossy sable]

So here is my issue with Sin right

It's hard enough to get 1h weps

HOW DO I GET DAGGERS

[gusty mirage]

vers mastery

[hollow escarp]

MH > OH

it's fine to have a 220 in off hand

[hollow escarp]

ohh

well

in that case

[frigid kestrel]

216 Rogue with 879 IO tried to shoot his shot and apped to my 18 MOTS. I aint even mad at him, you cant get in if you dont try

[hollow escarp]

[gusty mirage]

[mossy sable]

Thats me every day basically

[stoic needle]

farm m+

[hollow escarp]

at least you get a key

[limber lion]

I'm on my 4th week.

[mossy sable]

1018 IO 217 ilvl Rogue applying to +14 keys

I can go like

50 applies in one day

And 0 accepts

[stoic needle]

you're literally wasting your time applying for keys more than +1 over all of the ones you've timed

[frigid kestrel]

Honestly it never changes im 1792 IO and get like 50 declines a day

[hollow escarp]

how?

[mossy sable]

I've timed a bunch of +13+

[hollow escarp]

I mean, I only apply where I know I can get in

[stoic needle]

i have 17s and 18s timed, i get into 18s easily

[mossy sable]

It's the 2 +10 that drag me down I guess

I never get into groups nor get a Mists key

[frigid kestrel]

I app to only 19 keys

[mossy sable]

It just does not exist

[frigid kestrel]

and rarely get in

[stoic needle]

apply for a mists 11

and then a 12

[hollow escarp]

that makes sense I guess

[stoic needle]

and then a 13

[bleak sky]

any decent auras for IQD?

[mossy sable]

I don't get in

[stoic needle]

did you get one?

[mossy sable]

I applied for a few yesterday

[bleak sky]

ya

[gusty mirage]

It'd hurt less if the vault stopped giving me items I already had, so like I'd have... options even if they were shit options

[stoic needle]

well its obviously gonna take more than a few

[frigid kestrel]

I have all 18's times and 3 19's timed, but i get it

[stoic needle]

[mossy sable]

Only 4 where up

I applied to all 4 above +10

[stoic needle]

your problem is you're alliance

you have less options

[mossy sable]

Yes

[bleak sky]

I didn't even see my other options lmao

[stoic needle]

stop being alliance and you'll get into more keys

[hollow escarp]

still, I've noticed that after +17s, people tend to invite others with higher rio with the expectation to kinda get carried

[mossy sable]

8 +14 keys up rn on premade

[frigid kestrel]

So ive heard, i legit hear getting in Horde keys is easy

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/IQDtrinket

[limber lion]

Yeh that's true. Buuuuut GV is still 100 times better than whatever the fuck we had previously.

[gusty mirage]

true

[mossy sable]

Yeah

I do miss the like

Hype from old system

[hollow escarp]

now we have hype and meaningful choices

[gusty mirage]

now that I do actually pvp I kinda wish the GV didn't include pve & pvp

[spice spire]

Fuck yes it is holy shit

[frigid kestrel]

ROFLMAO, that 18 PUSH was me

[hollow escarp]

dead game

[mossy sable]

It felt like shit when you got a useless piece of gear, but it felt like a god when you got a good item

[mossy sable]

I see

[gusty mirage]

DOXED

[frigid kestrel]

I remember being invited into a group and before the timer dude asked me if i was OL. I said no, and he insta kicked me

[hollow escarp]

didn't happen yet

[gusty mirage]

should've said yeah and then switched sub to troll them even further

[stoic needle]

someone kicked me 2 weeks ago for being sin because he said " i don't want to wait for restealths"

[hollow escarp]

I did get asked to change from ST target because I had MFD

[gusty mirage]

I used to do that in BFA switch spec to sub while they're doing the pull timer

WE'RE LOCKED IN BOYS

GL HF

[stoic needle]

when sin loses less from no restealth than outlaw

[stoic needle]

rogue chak you talant pls

[gusty mirage]

rouge*

[hollow escarp]

rouge*

please

[mossy sable]

You restealth as Outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[hollow escarp]

lol

[gusty mirage]

yes, you should

[mossy sable]

I know lol

[hollow escarp]

for CTO procs