assassination

[balmy condor]

probably not bad

[mossy sable]

Sludge stands still a lot

I feel like I would miss hook on Sire

I have to hook to the ranged platforms cause our ranged don't kill it fast enough

[shy dust]

door of shadows

[mossy sable]

And use the sire pull thing to rip me back

[mossy sable]

This was the 1 use on that fight I found for it

[fallen arch]

You have shadowstep?

U can ss to range adds

[mossy sable]

Can it reach all the way to ranged casters?

[fallen arch]

Yes

[mossy sable]

Hmm ok

[fallen arch]

Lock/priest can bring u back.

[mossy sable]

Well I only do it before he casts the one ability

[fallen arch]

Or pull if u time well

[mossy sable]

Yeah I do it before the pull

Every time

Only risk is I dot more as Sin

[grand ridge]

You lose out on a lot of envenoms maintaining ct dot

Is the 5% dmg worth it

[mossy sable]

Sims say -76 dps if I use CT

In ST

[fallen arch]

If the boss stands still that is

[stoic needle]

it's less than that for more geared folks

you should be using lashing scars too

[mossy sable]

I am Necro rn

[stoic needle]

oh okay i thought you were venthyr

probably want sudden fractures then

[mossy sable]

I will be once I get TWO MORE FUCKING RENOWN

I hate this...

[stoic needle]

why worry about the renown? u will get it insta when u swap back

[mossy sable]

I am at 38rn

Getting it to 40

Swapping back to Venth

And if I decide to swap back and forth I can

+2 weeks or whatever

[grand ridge]

Renown is such a pain after a certain level

Just wait for the Tuesday weekly quests

[mossy sable]

lol i'm dumb

I had it on this for some reason

[mighty owl]

You probs want gemstones with heirmir too

[mossy sable]

Hmm?

I main Outlaw so Heirmir is setup for Law, I use Emeni as my Sin one instead

[hollow jolt]

does anyone know where I can find the old toxic blade icon when I'm making a macro?

[nocturne remnant]

Sorry if it's the wrong channel, but as a new rogue player i would like to focus more on 1 spec, how viable is necro assassination? I wanna be sure to have a good char for 9.1 too ty in advance!

[hollow jolt]

necro assa very good rn. imo its overall best spec for any content rn. Good in raid not bad in pvp and decent in m+ I guess

[mossy sable]

It also works well if you plan to play other specs at some point to

Outlaw it works well if you ever decided to try it

[hollow jolt]

problem is just that if you want to swap from assa to sub you have to get a whole new gear set

[nocturne remnant]

Oh

[shy dust]

necro assa is a fine choice

necro is the most versatile covenant

[nocturne remnant]

Is Doomblade good for M+? (Hope i didn't misspell the legendary name)

[nocturne remnant]

Guess Doomblade it is

[hollow jolt]

Doomblade very versatile

good in pve and pvp

[nocturne remnant]

That's what i'm looking for

[mossy sable]

Imagine if you crafted Zold before Doom became good

Then got stuck with Zold

[hollow jolt]

imagine you crafted the rotten legendary and 1 week later it got nerfed :D

[shy dust]

i mean

[nocturne remnant]

Imagine if you crafted Zold because you're an hunter x hunter fan

[shy dust]

you deserved that tone

if you crafted rotten solely for pvp youre a moron

[mossy sable]

Imagine playing WoW still

Let's be real here

[hollow jolt]

truuue

[nocturne remnant]

Imagine having a gaming pc in 2k21

[mossy sable]

Hey so um

I looked at you discord links

And umm

Wanna explain that 3rd bnet account name?

[hollow jolt]

[mossy sable]

Oh and the 4th

The 4th took me a sec

[hollow jolt]

its just eh

overwatch related

[mossy sable]

Pff overwatch is such a weeb game

Thats why I play WoW

Way better

[hollow jolt]

who are you lying to

wow is good game

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-talking-to-self-alone-lonely-gif-5869985

[mossy sable]

Uh

[hollow jolt]

okay im just a pvp player thats why i say game bad

pve seems pretty good for assa

[mossy sable]

Look at the time

I uhhh

I need to go

Or something

Uhhh

[hollow jolt]

[mossy sable]

Ignore my unbroken chain of wow subs

[vagrant hamlet]

Is there a way to only sim a 3 min execute?

[cerulean nest]

is zold a must-have for higher m+ keys as sin?

or is it neck and neck with MA

[peak jungle]

Looking at the pins, and speaking of M+, I had no idea that Zoldyk/MA/Doomblade were all so close in DPS. I had assumed Zoldyk was miles ahead for some reason.

[low girder]

There's an executepatchwerk fight style, just set that to 3m

[vagrant hamlet]

Cheers

[low girder]

And I wouldn't recommend doomblade in m+, you get no benefit on pulls of 4+.

Zoldyck and MA are strictly better

[cerulean nest]

yeah, but how close are those two?

if I'm using MA am I at a noticeable disadvantage?

[gloomy knoll]

i honestly still don't understand how doomblade sims so high in M+ when you literally never use mut at 4+ density

[low girder]

Not really, about 1%

[cerulean nest]

kk cool

[low girder]

Iirc dungeonslice is 50% single target, that's where most of it comes from

[gloomy knoll]

ah

so it's fake news then

imagine real keys being 50% single target

[low girder]

Not fake, the number is real probably, just no benefit on trash lol

[gloomy knoll]

in the keys i've run the amount of time i spend single targeting stuff outside of bosses is quite low

definitely not 50%

[low girder]

Jk 1/3

It's a 2m boss

[gloomy knoll]

that's maybe more plausible

[halcyon zealot]

does zold pull ahead of MA on fort weeks? seeing how mobs spend more time below 30% hp, or are they still very close

[gloomy knoll]

i could see a key with that much ST

[balmy condor]

It’s 33% boss, 50% single target

[low girder]

Oh

[gloomy knoll]

ok so nvm fake news

[low girder]

Welp

[balmy condor]

There’s a difference between those

Mob deaths are timed randomly in dungeonslice

[low girder]

Is there a mini boss thing in there?

Ah

Oh 1-3

I see it

[sturdy merlin]

Hello guys i've been trying to make a shadowstep+kick macro but kick only works if i'm in kick range before i cast shadowstep. Is there a way to fix that ?

[low girder]

No, it's still 30% of the fight time

Afaik zoldyck is ahead all the time anyway

[balmy condor]

1-3 but also a couple seconds of single target at the end of each pack

[low girder]

Yeh but on 3 it would still mut so some benefit there

[honest heath]

Is it better to craft doomblade on shoulder or gloves if I don't mythic raid?

[low girder]

if you won't get mythic stone legion shoulders it doesn't matter which slot

whichever you'd like

[gusty mirage]

Just go with the slot that sims best

[honest heath]

Ok cool. I know the shoulders from slg are like bis but wasn't sure if even the heroic ones would factor into the decision

[low girder]

nope, 'cause you could get 226 hands or shoulders out of m+ chest

[gusty mirage]

It’s the ilvl that makes the stone legion ones bis

[low girder]

so whichever you have lower of

[gusty mirage]

233 vs 226 from other sources

[low girder]

i'd make that slot probably

it being monday i'd probably wait until your reset

see what you get

then craft

[gloomy knoll]

@balmy condor does nightstalker snapshot rupture?

for the damage amp

[low girder]

yes

[balmy condor]

Of course

It’s like a subt garrote

[gloomy knoll]

neato

[balmy condor]

But for ns rupture

[honest heath]

That's a good reminder. Almost forgot tomorrow is cache day

[low girder]

ye

[gloomy knoll]

i kinda miss the legendaries in legion

that gave you two talents

playing this ma ns torghast build is kinda fun xd

[balmy condor]

The legendaries in legion that gave talents?

[gloomy knoll]

yea didn't we get a vigor one or something

it'd be neat to revisit that idea

[low girder]

yeah the ring

well

one of the fucking 4 legendary rings

lmao

[gloomy knoll]

xd

[gusty mirage]

I can’t wait to see what bullshit borrowed power blizz recycles for 10.0

[thorny pond]

Artifact weapons 2.0

From the rebirth of azerorth

[gusty mirage]

Except you need to run visions of yogg to collect the currency to upgrade them

[thorny pond]

In Silvermoon city and Darnassus before the war and crash

[placid pagoda]

Am I gimping myself if I take doom blade for m+ as I also raid with assa too?

[dark crag]

10.0 goes right into the future and wow gets renamed into world of starcraft

[halcyon zealot]

i mean just craft a 190 zoldyck, can make a r1 every week basically

[balmy condor]

A little bit yeah, doomblade aoe is not good for obvious reasons

[cerulean nest]

might be a dumb question but how does MA react with bleed/poison ticks?

[low girder]

they all crit for the duration of MA

no snapshotting shenanigans

[cerulean nest]

that's what I wondered, gotcha

[placid pagoda]

Voldiks it is

[compact pumice]

If you made an MA for PVP/Outlaw then you can use that for M+

[pliant apex]

Just got skulkers wing and will be replacing sins.. since it doesn’t line up with vendetta CD, how do I use skulkers aside from opener ?

[kind talon]

on cd

[compact pumice]

just on CD, it isn't affectd by stuff anyway

[loud niche]

are we going back to NF in 9.1?

[low girder]

'tis week 2, so i'll go with as it stands currently probably not, but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-theoffice-dont-gif-7904750

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t that be a plot twist

[low girder]

inb4 massive NF soulbind buffs

[balmy condor]

Korayn is 100% crit, to counteract the pvp ma nerf

[low girder]

lmao

[slow marsh]

That....would be interesting

[gray fjord]

[halcyon zealot]

honestly plz

[low girder]

fire mages: "this is a buff"

[balmy condor]

Niya herbs who?

[spice spire]

Did they ever fix that spaghetti code, or is herbs utter bullshit still?

[gusty mirage]

I think you answered your own question

[spice spire]

Fair

[gusty mirage]

but I'm also curious

[indigo mulch]

Why are all the top logs on sire doing ep and vigor? =o

Is there a specific reason to run that? Isent it bad to miss out on blindside?

For sire mythic that is

[stoic needle]

serrated bone spike is absolutely cracked in torg

3x unceasing chain link + the sniper power + NS +MA

sit at 50yd range and just one shot any mob that looks at you funny

this was with 2 people as well so it'd do even more damage proportionally when you're solo

i'd SBS from stealth, cancelaura SND, cast it again for another chain link buff, stealth, repeat

[heavy trail]

Sure is rough getting accepted at 202 into anything 10+ lol; it's "never" happened even though I have some timed already haha. i guess if i want to run some I need to make some friends or downgrade my 13 key lol

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

blizzard fixing spaghetti code? never

[heavy trail]

Is there an addon that improves lF so you can filter keys by zone or by key level ?

[stoic needle]

IF?

there's a weakaura

[heavy trail]

LFG sorry fat fingered

[stoic needle]

ah

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/premade-groups-filter

this one is good

[ionic kelp]

pair it with this: https://wago.io/klC4qqHaF

[stoic needle]

damn you beat me to it xd

you're probably applying to keys with melee already

and yeah also just get your ilvl up man

you're obscenely undergeared

not to say you can't time a key, but nobody wants you because of your gear because there's 50 people 215+ who are applying

they have no way of knowing that you're a decent player

[heavy trail]

Thanks!

So far in my 10+ that simply just hasn't been the case lol the exact opposite and when I am pushing I underperform because i get all sweaty fat fingered and nervous 🙂

But

I hear you 🙂

[spice spire]

I hate this

[balmy condor]

No u don’t

[spice spire]

To this day

[balmy condor]

You always go through so much care to not ping on replies

[spice spire]

No ily, I hate the spaghetti coding

I find it annoying tbh. NOTHING I reply to is that important

Lmao If I feel I want an answer, I’ll ping. Otherwise, people get enough of them 😛

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess

Idk it’s weird to not see the reply with a ping

I miss enough replies tbh

[spice spire]

99% of the time, I’m on mobile, so I just have to click a little button before I reply lmao

[gusty mirage]

The fleshcraft one is pretty luls too esp when you get the increased absorb. One explosion did 6 million for me once

Wait you can reply without pinging?

I feel like a degenerate now

[heavy trail]

I tried to do a level 1 am i missing something after about 16 or so I kept getting almost one shot by the trash. Do you need to get certain anima powers to do OK at the end ? never did that part before. (The twisting corridor version, the other 8s are a walk in the park)

[gusty mirage]

I’m sorry for pinging you wonderful humans

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

No problem :)

[gusty mirage]

😮

[balmy condor]

I actually prefer it tbh

[spice spire]

I never mind getting pinged - I just know that some people are pinged a ton so I just make it across the board for my replies

[gusty mirage]

Stack some defensive ones as well as the quick multipliers (chain one is huge). And then pull slow, if you accidentally pull too much you turn into mush pretty quick

Also the shadowstep finisher one is huge

[heavy trail]

I think that was the issuje didnt get much defensives ones

[spice spire]

I know when I was actively recruiting for two weeks I was getting pinged nonstop and it was a lot, so I try to minimize my troll responses

[gusty mirage]

The health ones and the ones that lower vial cd + give you cloak/evasion/feint helps a ton. As well as the one that extends their duration

[heavy trail]

cuz like on the 8s i can generally almost stealth the boss as long as i have the fleshcraft one

[stoic needle]

Your low ilvl is going to make it harder for you

[balmy condor]

I answer questions in.... 4 discords now? Especially when I’m at work I’m bored a lot, so it’s actually easier for me to go to my inbox to travel from convo to convo via replies

[stoic needle]

I still have to actually pay attention during the later floors even at 225

[spice spire]

So ping you for everything, got it

[stoic needle]

But in general, try to get the powers that buff your hp, and the ones that give you your defensives when you use crimson vial or when you shadowstep

[spice spire]

@balmy condor 9.1 sims when?

[stoic needle]

Try to get lots of stacks of unceasing chain link

@balmy condor deathspike sims when?

[gusty mirage]

Also playing sub might help because of soothing darkness

It’s actually an insane heal if you’re under geared

[stoic needle]

I need to know exactly how unethical my spec will be in 9.1 kthxbye

[low girder]

soothing darkness is bis in soulforges

[heavy trail]

yeah i am sure sujb would be more optimal

[stoic needle]

Also, you can change specs and talents at the broker floors inside the bubbles

[balmy condor]

Already done :)

[heavy trail]

i just enjoy assassin more

[stoic needle]

Sin is pretty good for torghast too

[gusty mirage]

Just get the ravenous one and get the reduced fire damage like I do cuz I’m a nerd

[balmy condor]

Did sub ones mostly, sin is later this week

[stoic needle]

What legendaries do you have? Just zoldyck?

[stoic needle]

Post

[gusty mirage]

And full clear every boreghast run I do

[low girder]

ye now that i just yolo outlaw through torghast that's what i do if it's soulforge week

[stoic needle]

I highly recommend leeching poison for torghast

[gusty mirage]

Leeching poison is nice

Get out of my head @stoic needle

[spice spire]

Sick, I was trolling but that’s amazing. It’s so fucking early and you’ll have to redo it 500 times I’m sure but I digress

[stoic needle]

[low girder]

sub optimizations were

[stoic needle]

Inb4 all of the Rogue legendaries get remade in the new build

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr’s a slave to the sims

[low girder]

if they also apply to sin though it'll be a sad day

[stoic needle]

Stop optimizing the obedience apl I don't want any reasons to go back to venthyr

[gusty mirage]

Koji has him locked in his basement just simming things 24/7

[heavy trail]

@stoic needle atm 190s zold and MA. I have 3.5k SA though

[stoic needle]

Try NS MfD CT MA in Torghast

[gusty mirage]

That’s why whispyr doesn’t sleep

[stoic needle]

MFD > CT from stealth

[heavy trail]

true could give that a go

[stoic needle]

It's really fucking powerful in Torghast

Especially once you get a few stat boosting or damage amping anima powers

Always always always take first steps or jack of all trades if you see them

And there's another power that I can't remember the name of that heals you when you stealth and gives you damage for a few second after you leave stealth, that one is good too

Vein rippers is pog but hard to use solo

[ionic kelp]

isnt that one garbo

[stoic needle]

The vanish cdr and kills cdr vanish ones are good as a pair

[stoic needle]

No it's not Garbo

[ionic kelp]

i guess as a last resort but like it never really felt impactful when i was actively doing torghast

[stoic needle]

It gives more damage than most of the random powers

Especially if you stack it

[low girder]

the only real issue with it iirc is it doesn't work with vanish

it has to be real stealth

[ionic kelp]

ya thats why i didnt like it

[low girder]

kinda like the shield conduit

[ionic kelp]

rather go for red inks or something similar

[stoic needle]

I mean u don't vanish much anyway

[low girder]

but i rarely ever vanish in torghast

[stoic needle]

Oh yeah red ink is a must have

[ionic kelp]

but i also only do floor 1 of torghast now and skip 2-5 lol

[stoic needle]

Seems to be kinda rare for a common

I avoid doing Torghast not as a boost so I usually have to clear a path to the end of every floor for my boostee

Getting paid 100k to get your weekly soul ash > doing it normally

[hollow venture]

People actually pay for torghast carries?

[heavy trail]

the fleshcraft one is all ya need for the 8s really though i guess not the case on twisting corridors lol

[balmy condor]

When ptr is a more clear picture I will :)

[heavy trail]

@ionic kelp Yeah it's nice to skip. makes doing torghast on any class except my druid/rogue/hunter to be mind numbing lol

[balmy condor]

Speaking of, @fleet anchor I haven’t gotten water in 3 days pls

[heavy trail]

need IO to update so these fat fingered lazies will gleefully accept my 203 arse with the shining new 10+ completions showing roflcopters

Why do a 9 when you can do a 10? 🙂 lol

[gusty mirage]

You should never do a 9 over a 10 unless you absolutely have to. It’s harder

[heavy trail]

Maybe I should try and do my 13 spires the only reason I don't is i figure no one will join since im so low geared

[gusty mirage]

are you EU or NA ral?

[heavy trail]

Yes oxi that's my point I figured that out over the last few days

NA

[gusty mirage]

I’ll help you build your IO on my vdh 🙂

They’ll take you if you got a tank with you

I promise you that lol

[heavy trail]

yer probably right 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Osh and bodeeny and I were queuing double assa rogue and people gladly took us

oxi#1489 add me and we’ll run some keys this coming week

[heavy trail]

High IO tank will help since people want itnice and easy

[gusty mirage]

My tank’s got a baby IO right now, only 950 or so

[heavy trail]

I am 699 should go up a bit since I timed my SD 11

I dunno why but I get nervous generally only when pushing harder keys. Still OK but it's always an anxious struggle lol

[gusty mirage]

It’s alright, it’s normal because you know it’s a bit harder than your comfort

[heavy trail]

That WA is solid you guys recommended

[gusty mirage]

We’ll get you some fat IO this coming week

[heavy trail]

Thanks a lot

is it a decent week for keys i didnt check the affixes

[gusty mirage]

It’s not terrible, storming inspiring

[heavy trail]

Let's just hope I don't get banned for a while haha

[fleet anchor]

I've been pretty busy. Send me an APL line that works and I'll put it in 😄

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Was 2% improvement on obedience not enough for you

[fleet anchor]

Also last time I looked at IQD lines it made no difference

fwiw

[balmy condor]

Whack

[fleet anchor]

But haven't looked again recently

[gusty mirage]

#FreeWhispyr

[balmy condor]

It should be syncing with stat-trinket

[fleet anchor]

I don't care about Sub APL improvements

[balmy condor]

But it just doesn’t

From what I’ve seen

[fleet anchor]

That's Fuu's department

😄

[heavy trail]

Isn't this stuff going to get clunky when the blizzard IO shows up ? i wonder what wil lhappen lol

[balmy condor]

I’ll do sin later this week

[fleet anchor]

I mean we already sync though

So I doubt it will really make much of a difference. The only difference is it needs an expression update to have a better base cooldown estimate in the Vendetta sync line

[balmy condor]

Iqd at 3 min doesn’t sound sync to me

Unless something’s changed in the last 3ish weeks, IQD was casting on cooldown

So the second cast hit a shiv, and that’s pretty much it

[fleet anchor]

Talking about Obedience

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah

That shouldn’t matter

[stoic needle]

@heavy trail leather stack let's gooo

with 4 of us and a healer you're guaranteed to get something

bodeeny and i dont need anything from keys anymore

[heavy trail]

I am sure you guys going to embarass me lol oh well haah

[stoic needle]

don't sweat it man

if anything take it as an opportunity to learn

to see what you you're doing and what you could/should be doing

[oak cypress]

wonder how mny prays i need to send to RNGeesus for a dagger this is saddening 😦

[kind talon]

osho

[neat tartan]

Morning all. Is it worth to spend gold on 226 BOE items?

[kind talon]

i thought we were gonna run triple rogue with me

so i could farm OH

i even had a 17 plaguefall for a chance at a phial drop

[compact pumice]

That's subjective

[heavy trail]

@stoic needle Appreciate the kindness and will be fun I am sure.

if i can get all 10s i can upgrade all my trinkets and weapons lol...

[stoic needle]

i've bought 3 so far so.. yes

its good so you can spend your vaults on more impactful slots like rings weapons and trinkets

[stoic needle]

just say the word my man

[neat tartan]

Currently highest ilvl is 226?

[stoic needle]

Yep

[neat tartan]

Okay thanks 👍🏻

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't spend more than 120k on one

I basically just boosted to afford them

[neat tartan]

Noted, cos I have no idea what is market rate

[woeful meteor]

Depends on realm

[stoic needle]

120k is like 4-5 boosts depending on the level

[neat tartan]

I'm on US Barthilas Horde

[neat tartan]

Okay, I will take this as the range 😊

[stoic needle]

https://theunderminejournal.com/

[neat tartan]

I just did my first guild raid ytd after returning to WoW. So glad I dropped my P2W game to come back.

[neat tartan]

Wow nice 😮👍🏻

[stoic needle]

Were you playing some mobile game?

[low girder]

if you wanna hop back on that p2w game though

https://www.wowpay2win.com/#/?tier=t27

lol

[stoic needle]

[neat tartan]

Yes LOL MapleStory M. Since launch day till 2 months ago..... I dumped 5digit SGD There....

[stoic needle]

Wow tokens can buy you quite a bit

[neat tartan]

Finally realised I was addicted

Had to stop

[neat tartan]

To be honest I paid for 5x Mythic +10 runs last Saturday. 1st time buying 😅 just to hit the 200ilvl to join guild raid. Only reason I like wow is raiding with guildies.

[low girder]

oh lol

[neat tartan]

Apologies if such topics are not supposed to be discussed here

🙏🏻

[low girder]

long as it's not an ad or for real money i believe it's fine

[balmy condor]

Yep

Aight well that

Is giga off topic

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

#off-topic <- is that way

[neat tartan]

Oops okay noted

Ytd I tried this build on ST on raid and seems really good!
Blindside
Master Sin
Vigor
Wire
Alacrity
Poison Bomb

https://youtu.be/H9zr5C7_DQA

From this 😅

[stable moss]

how do i track damage only to denathrius in details so i can feel better about myself

[rocky pecan]

Damage done to target

And you should be fine only p3 matter in Dena for kill him

[low girder]

always show me ✅

then you hit p2/p3 and you won't need that anymore

[flint snow]

Since mechagnome racial is flat and void elf is %, is there some theoretical gear level where void elf overtakes?

[cerulean nest]

zold goes on legs i assume?

[low girder]

yeah, legs

[low girder]

uh, maybe, but racials aren't really a thing anyone takes into consideration for dps unless you're literally in RWF

and even then, they don't always

[balmy condor]

We also have pins on that

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

And these

[neat tartan]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[balmy condor]

I mean there probably is, but like mata said, doesn’t matter

[neat tartan]

Is Subtlety stronger than Sin at the moment and will it be the top spec for St moving forward into 9.1?

[low girder]

definitely not right now, the buffs will make it much less of a chasm

in 9.1

should be fairly close on single target

[neat tartan]

😮👌🏻

[neon halo]

Hi guys!
Looking at coming to play rogue come 9.1 and wondering how aff is atm or am i better off gearing another spec?

[balmy condor]

sin is the current go to in raids

sub is looking quite good with buffs though

[lost horizon]

Affliction rogue pretty good

Need more dots

[neon halo]

i suck badly with sub, always have so im glad to hear sin is doing well

sin is fine in m+ too atm too?

[balmy condor]

its okay

outlaw is better

but that's outlaw

[neon halo]

yeah true, outlaw always has been the goto for m+, well for a good while anyway

[lost horizon]

I sense disdain in these words

[balmy condor]

it's a possibility

[torn atlas]

Why be a pirate when you can be a rogue.

[lost horizon]

I can't even talk shit, if cov swaps were like talents I'd probably be slappin sin in raid too

Heck

[sacred isle]

Whispyr has played to much yatzy in his days to hate anything containing dice

[lost horizon]

I haven't played sin since before prepatch, but I'm like 99% sure nothing's really changed

[low girder]

Since before prepatch? Nope not really

[balmy condor]

8.3 and 9.0.5 sin plays identical

no changes

[lost horizon]

Honestly as much as I like more buttons to press, kinda nice how little they've fucked with sin

[balmy condor]

[lost horizon]

At least since I started playing

[neon halo]

i chose necro, please dont tell me thats not for sin's cov

[sacred isle]

Its good for sin

[neon halo]

oh good lol

[low girder]

Buff exsang

[lost horizon]

Venthyr still a bit ahead though, isn't it?

[sacred isle]

Playing a havoc alt atm. Talk about less buttons 🤣

[low girder]

And by buff I mean like uh

[neon halo]

im only cov rank 12 so if i need to switch to venthyr im happy to

[low girder]

Rework

[heavy trail]

I was V and now am NL, prefer NL for more buttons and fun esp in dungeons

[hollow escarp]

what can you even change on that talent? lower cooldown? transform it into malefic rupture from aff?

or just buff damage while dot timer remains the same

I think Whispyr had some sims with low cd Exsang and it's still worse than Alacrity lol

[low girder]

He has sims of a 20s cd exsang at 126% haste and it still loses lol

It'd need a dmg amp of some kind yeah

[hollow escarp]

or move Alacrity somewhere else

[low girder]

[hollow escarp]

baseline might be too much

but idk, it's still something you have to maintain in some scenarios

but usually you don't even need to track it

[low girder]

Some sort of malefic rapture type thing would be nice

I don't want it to be always bis necessarily, but competition would be great lol

[torn atlas]

Give me some reason to even look at that talent row haha

[hollow escarp]

would be nice, but it's kinda first world problems right now

considering other specs and content

[low girder]

yeah, sin's in a great spot, it's just a wishlist lol

[heavy trail]

hmm got vest of concealed secrets thats not a bad one ti think

so this paladin tank runs the entire dungeon impatient, sure the healer isnt the best but he keeps running ahead and pulling stuff. wipes them a few times and then we still manage to time it and I just mention nicely to him that he could slow down a bit and let us actually get to where he was before pulling even bosses...and he goes nuts on me saying "fuck you man KSM, I am running my bro, it's a 9 only LMAO. I guess some people are sensitive to feedback even if it's in a nice way 🙂

[hollow escarp]

about that, don't type "..." when somebody misses the hook in NW at 3rd boss

[heavy trail]

No doubt lol i seen folks do that haha

[balmy condor]

yeah full stat capped, with 30 second, 20 second, 10 second, no cooldown (just as a meme), and it always loses

[heavy trail]

Actually what was hilarious was mr KSM was so impatient that just at the end of the portal area in this TOP, he jumped off the ledge instead of taking the portal and died. Was freaking hilarious

[low girder]

wait it lost with no cd? i missed that lmfao

[balmy condor]

yeah but the APL is severely unequipped to handle no cooldown exsang

[low girder]

that's fair

[balmy condor]

either way

no matter what you do to exsang

it don't work

[low girder]

malefic rapture it

[balmy condor]

bleeds just don't do enough damage

[low girder]

ez

[vestal wren]

exsang is just functional worse

[balmy condor]

yup

[compact pumice]

It’s kind of weird that they have shit like that on the talent row. I mean they must have some numbers, maybe some excel sheet somewhere, where they found that row roughly equal in terms of power/usefulness. Wonder how they would justify that row’s existence.

[rose violet]

You must be new to this game

[vestal wren]

i mean

ct could be a spec ability, and the entire row is not... that great designed

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure it's a result of alacrity being dropped there

[vestal wren]

HB is just (like the legendary power) bad designed

and PB is undertuned, but also boring

[low girder]

that's a different row from exsang though

but i see your point

[vestal wren]

exsang just does not translate well into the game now

[low girder]

they ripped out TB to add to shiv and saw both were used during BfA and were like oh, this row is fine. just drop alacrity there

SS? what's that?

[vestal wren]

venom rush would need a buff to be relevant

and exsang should be replaced with kingsbane or sth that works better with the spec

as for what its worth, exsang is quite good optimized in the sim and still isn't super good

but it was even in BfA a niche talent we ended up using on very high haste levels

[low girder]

i mean even if we had BfA haste levels we wouldn't use it now

had more to do with SS existing

bleeds just aren't well supported dmg wise in the base kit

they just loop in energy to do dmg with the rest

[vestal wren]

ss did give you more incentive to use it

we used exsang very early in bfa because we snapshotted the high haste from galcallers

[low girder]

like i said earlier whispyr had sims of 20s cd exsang with 126% haste and it still lost to alacrity

[vestal wren]

and very late, but iirc even without ss

idk, you probably would need to rework exsang to make it good

i don't see it coming back in the near future

[low girder]

malefic rapture

you'd have to do a lot more with how that would work and how much of cd, etc

[vestal wren]

VR could be compatitive if it got buffed

[low girder]

but i think the idea is good

[vestal wren]

put VR from 8 -> 10 or 12

and it suddenly becomes relevant

[low girder]

yeah

all things i think just won't happen, especially now. the spec is in a really strong spot, so they have no reason to look at it

[vestal wren]

vr on 12 seemingly still loses to alac

🤔

[low girder]

lmao

[vestal wren]

vr on 14 would make the spec quite a bit faster (apm)

but 8 -> 14 is quite a huge buff, so i don't think that happens

[low girder]

pair that with a nice dashing scoundrel

we sub now

whispyr's nightmare

[compact pumice]

Tbh, a nerf to alacrity is way more likely then

[vestal wren]

they already nerfed alac in bfa

[hollow escarp]

it was 20% haste?

[compact pumice]

Right. Was that row balanced then?

Prob not

[balmy condor]

let sin be slow

[low girder]

it was only on outlaw and sub tbf

[balmy condor]

you fucks

[low girder]

and sub rarely if ever ran it

[balmy condor]

remove alac and VR

they both suck

[gusty mirage]

venom rush

[gloomy knoll]

what did venom rush used to be

was it like

[turbid harbor]

haste didn't increase tick rate of our dots while it was 20%

[gloomy knoll]

poison on crits

gave energy

or something

[low girder]

it was extra energy on venomous wounds

[balmy condor]

venom rush used to be more energy on venmous

[vestal wren]

it was:
2% stacking up to 10 (pre bfa)
3% stacking up to 5 (bfa alpha)
2% stacking up to 5 (release)

[low girder]

and was where PB is now

[turbid harbor]

it used to be 10 energy per bleed tick up from 7

[gloomy knoll]

ahhh

yea i never understood why they changed that

[turbid harbor]

well, now 8 as per latest patch 😄

[low girder]

because it did roughly what alacrity does now

[gloomy knoll]

oh true

[vestal wren]

vr needed to be 10 secs in beta

[low girder]

it dumpstered the rest of the row lol

[gloomy knoll]

honestly

35 energy mutilates

would be litty titty

[vestal wren]

not sure if changing legendary would make vr with 10 instead of 8 relevant

[low girder]

idr what else was there anymore though

CT was still there

but i don't remember what HB replaced

[turbid harbor]

yeah but then haste became x5-x6 better for us with hasted dots

so alacrity became auto include

[low girder]

yep, went from dead last to first

[gloomy knoll]

i'm just gonna say it

make ct baseline replace it with shrouded

there i said it

[vestal wren]

marked for death 😉

[low girder]

oh, fuck me

it was MFD lmao

[hollow escarp]

mfd was last row yeah

because we had the 10 cp talent

[vestal wren]

^ from legion

[hollow escarp]

anticipation was so weird

[turbid harbor]

anticipation was great

[shrewd night]

DFA memes

[low girder]

it got nerfed pretty hard going into legion

[shrewd night]

[vestal wren]

anticipation was removed because its to similar to deeper iirc

[gloomy knoll]

blindside is actually a good talent i like it

[low girder]

current blindside is good ye

[balmy condor]

hemorrhage

[vestal wren]

and moving mfd to the energy row was quite a good idea

[gloomy knoll]

what was hemorrage?

[inland glacier]

How good is inscrutable device trinket for sin?

[gloomy knoll]

good but only if you have the right build for it

[low girder]

arguably bis

[balmy condor]

quite

[hollow escarp]

gushing wounds

[gloomy knoll]

oh wow

[shrewd night]

its LIT

[gloomy knoll]

that looks fun as fuck

[low girder]

did that thing ever get used

[gloomy knoll]

was it bad?

[balmy condor]

it got used on sub

[low girder]

i don't ever remember using it

oh

[balmy condor]

because multistrike bleed tick advancement

[hollow escarp]

I think it was the play on bleed build

[inland glacier]

Fuck I traded to a mage yesterday after m+ :(

[hollow escarp]

or was it?

[low girder]

yeah but that's the legion sin talents

[turbid harbor]

i always used EP when exsang was used

[low girder]

idr ever using it

[balmy condor]

oh

then yeh

bleed build

[gloomy knoll]

bleed build sin is best sin

[shrewd night]

Nuh uh

[vestal wren]

sub had this in legion:

[gloomy knoll]

envenom sin is alright cuz big chonky crits

[low girder]

i think bleed build was almost always EP

[shrewd night]

Poisonboyes all the way

[turbid harbor]

maybe hemo was best super early like pre-NH

[gloomy knoll]

but bleed is fun

[turbid harbor]

but people never ran hemo in raid

[gloomy knoll]

i mean ep makes sense for bleed build

[low girder]

and then once we figured out how bonkers busted agp was we stacked mastery and took MP lol

[gloomy knoll]

just 10% on all dots all the time

[shrewd night]

I think there was only one dude believing in the bleedboye prophecy in legion

aint that right @lone junco

[gloomy knoll]

that i remember

[hollow escarp]

they should have made outlaw more bleed focused and let assa more poisony

[gloomy knoll]

i played agp in nighthold

[vestal wren]

sub lost hemo in transition from wod -> legion

[low girder]

yeah

[gloomy knoll]

honestly

i miss vanishing into rupture

[vestal wren]

tbh i think outlaw ended up quite decently

[low girder]

i do remember in EN running exsang briefly

mostly because of blood of the assassinated

[gloomy knoll]

vanish rupure feels so good

chonkeh bleed

[low girder]

you'd do NS snapshot stuff

with it

[vestal wren]

the only thing to complain is tuning and probably some complains about rtb

[hollow escarp]

like you do now with NS

[shrewd night]

Out of all the NS memes and you didnt mention poison knife

[hollow escarp]

as sin

[shrewd night]

[gloomy knoll]

new rtb poopoo

[low girder]

ye but with exsang lol

[vestal wren]

people remember the snapshotting in atbt

[hollow escarp]

sl rtb > bfa rtb

[gloomy knoll]

but overall outlaw is fun to play

[vestal wren]

but forget the bug in NH

[vital haven]

dude just buff buried treasure and grand melee

[hollow escarp]

no 🧢

[vital haven]

like come on blizz

[low girder]

yep my nythendra farm kill

[gloomy knoll]

oooh

spicy

[low girder]

why do i have an eye of command in december

lol

[vital haven]

wait venom rush was specced into at some point

damn

[gloomy knoll]

wasn't venom rush

[low girder]

yeah that was the extra venomous wounds energy

at the time

[gloomy knoll]

as it is todai

[low girder]

i can't spell today

[shrewd night]

That reminds me, the 1 energy memes

[fathom swift]

i dont remember any of that legion stuff

what was anticipation

[hollow escarp]

[low girder]

combo point store

[vital haven]

it stored 5 cps

or something like that

[low girder]

it was 2 or 3 in legion

it got nerfed

[vital haven]

oh rip

[fathom swift]

oh

it was like the 10 combo point talent

[low girder]

it was like overcap protection

[hollow escarp]

got amanthuls 1 month before bfa

[low girder]

ye

[fathom swift]

yeah i remember

[low girder]

same thing

just nerfed

also that build didn't last long

come shoulders

idk why i have leeching

lol

[hollow escarp]

why not?

[vestal wren]

you basically had a 5 cp buffer zone of cp as a buff, and once you used a finisher you didn't end on 0 cp but on the amount of stacks you had on the buff

[hollow escarp]

similar to how enha shaman now?

[shrewd night]

???

[hollow escarp]

or I might be misunderstanding that spec

[shrewd night]

the fuck are you on about

[low girder]

it worked like maelstrom basically yeah

could spend up to 5, could have up to 10

[shrewd night]

[low girder]

or 7 in legion

i think

[balmy condor]

200% mastery and master poisoner is leeching stonks

[fathom swift]

yeah i remember that now

just kinda blocked it from my memory

[low girder]

how much leech would that have been lol

[gloomy knoll]

i never even saw one drop hush your mouth

[balmy condor]

round 25% I think

[low girder]

jesus

[shrewd night]

"yes, it worked as if you had another resource system with 10 as a cap instead of five, big smort"

[fathom swift]

that is kinda similar to current enh maelstrom stacks tho

[gloomy knoll]

amanthuls was the dumbest fucking thing they ever put into the game

actually just -400 iq

[hollow escarp]

and it wasn't even that good for sin

[low girder]

this seems to be a sale run

that i played sub on

for like half of the nighthold bit

lmao

ran leeching the whole time, idk

[hollow escarp]

I had leeching when I did The Chosen

[low girder]

wtf is this

this is 7.1.5

[vital haven]

damn

[low girder]

idk what i was doing

[gloomy knoll]

[low girder]

think i had all the leggos

lmao

[vital haven]

thats a long ass day dude

[gloomy knoll]

farmin leggies

[hollow escarp]

^

[low girder]

reasonably sure i had them all

at that point

[gloomy knoll]

i used to fly around broken shore opening chests

lookin for leggos

[vestal wren]

reclearing old content in hopes of titanforges likely

[gloomy knoll]

honestly

[vital haven]

when could you buy leggos

in legion

[low girder]

7.3.5

[hollow escarp]

7.3.5

[vital haven]

jeez

[low girder]

ye maybe

[gloomy knoll]

having legendaries be acquirable from all content was some of the funnest shit in the game

[hollow escarp]

we were farming daily heroics for ash

[vestal wren]

you could buy legendary items when atbt was in farm

[vital haven]

so it was just all rng before that?

damn

[gloomy knoll]

yea it sucked when you didn't get what you wanted

[hollow escarp]

not ash, w/e the currency was

[vestal wren]

so not during legion, but after nobody cared anymore

[gloomy knoll]

but having that chance of every single little thing you do possible give you that juicy leggo

just made the game so much for fun for me

i did literally all the content

[low girder]

i mean sure but also getting shoulders as my 9th leggo

sucked ass

[gloomy knoll]

yea

if they could find a way

to mix both

somehow

[hollow escarp]

I think we had allied races before legendary vendor lol

[vestal wren]

i got bad luck

[gloomy knoll]

or just put something behind all the content it'd be really great i think

cuz it just made the game worth playing

[low girder]

i killed cenarius with feint pants and prydaz before it got buffed

never forget

[vestal wren]

and was basically having rly bad legendary powers up till after nh progression

[gloomy knoll]

yea my rogues last leggo was mantle

it made me reroll mage

xD

[low girder]

meanwhile my DH got the 90% hp belt or whatever

and then anger of the half giants

lmao

[vestal wren]

so the legendary system did only "punish" me for bad luck by not allowing me to compete in dps for
this ignorable time period of 3 raids

was a great system

[gloomy knoll]

maybe like

the shit you need to upgrade your leggo comes from random drops on all content iuno

i just wish there was something

[vital haven]

rng legendaries, titanforging, farming ap for every spec

content in legion mustve been amazing

[low girder]

dumping a bunch of AP into outlaw

[gloomy knoll]

it was so fun

[vestal wren]

ap farming was not as big

[gloomy knoll]

legion was fucking god tier gaming

best wows ever been imo

[low girder]

and then outlaw got nerfed to the ground on mythic week

[vestal wren]

people did farm ap massively for en

[low girder]

good times

[vestal wren]

and en ended up rather easy

[gloomy knoll]

every single dungeon

[low girder]

pre-tomb was miserable for me

just

[gloomy knoll]

in legion

[low girder]

awful

[gloomy knoll]

was an absolute masterpiece

[low girder]

i almost quit

multiple times

from burnout

[vestal wren]

NH was a great raid

[gloomy knoll]

NH tomb antorus all really good raids imo

[vestal wren]

but depending on your luck you possibly still had not gotten your bis

[low girder]

en -> tov -> nh was the most brutal progression i think i've ever done

just 9 months straight

[gloomy knoll]

also

[low girder]

of prog

[gloomy knoll]

the blood of sargeras vendor

was one of the coolest things

in the game ever

it made me as a new player not have to spend cash on gold

i could just do content and get matts by trading bloods

[vital haven]

im actually sad af that blizz just destroyed artifact weaps

as someone who didnt play legion

[vestal wren]

what could mean sth like "ye sry, you had bad luck but that's a you problem... your dps is only ~15% lower due to that, but you surely can make up with skill for that"

[vital haven]

cant even see

[low girder]

yeah that part sucks

same with the mop cape/wod ring removal

[gloomy knoll]

yea it can't be something that's

that powerful

tied behind rng

[vital haven]

leveling in legion was sad af getting all the weapon enchants or w/e

and them being useless

like bruh

[low girder]

you don't even get the story part of why wod happens

anymore

because the leggo ring quest is gone

there's zero mention of kairoz

lol

[vital haven]

at least they learned with bfa

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[worthy iris]

do i save flag for vendetta or use it off cd?

[gloomy knoll]

i mean it has to be something tied to player power that's behind all content or it's just not really worth the same but

[vital haven]

longstrider speed boost LIVES FOREVER

[gloomy knoll]

if it was like maybe a few things that were all like

[low girder]

off cd unless you know you won't lose a use

[gloomy knoll]

1%ish upgrades

and not 15% i think it might be fine

i dunno i just really enjoyed that doing all the content mattered

[low girder]

all the essences still work if you wanna farm visions for your mount you never got

kinda fun having AR proc like

all the fucking time

between vision and celerity

[vital haven]

azerite and essences are still god tier for speed set

[gloomy knoll]

permanent zoomer pirate

[vital haven]

3x longstriders

and unbound minor

[hollow escarp]

the fact that we can still use azerite essences outside SL is pretty nice, I can heal the dragon in ICC now

or crazy damage in timewalking

[low girder]

i used to use the dumb bandage cannon thing on her

idk how that works out since the squish

[slender berry]

Idk doing lfr for upgrades while progressing mythic is not something I ever wanna do again

[low girder]

also that ^

[hollow escarp]

it happened last tier as well

before corruption vendor

[vestal wren]

i agree

corruption early was as bad as the legendary system

[low girder]

idk what you mean, i definitely didn't kill n'zoth with a 445 belt with t3 expedient on it

[vestal wren]

but was fixed super fast, legendary aquirement was fixed by everyone having all legendary items in tos

[hollow escarp]

I got lucky with a tendie dagger from weekly chest early on and that kinda carried me until vendor, but I played casually anyway

[vestal wren]

and a vendor was only introduced at the end of the xpac then it wasn't relevant outside of getting your alt chars the legendary they want

[vital haven]

fucking blizz drip feeding the corruption availability

oh now its guaranteed from visions

oh now theres a vendor but wait its on a rotation

[vestal wren]

i think thats a very blizz way to fix things

[vital haven]

at least daggers had guaranteed tendies

which was decent

[low girder]

if you ever saw them

i didn't until farm

[hollow escarp]

I think it has to do with the product type and some internal team that decides based on player interaction that it's good to have timegate rotations like this to ensure resubbing

[vital haven]

not even heroic? jeez

[low girder]

heroic i did

but wrathion gave me a gushing wound dagger

so i can't bitch

[hollow escarp]

it sounds like a conspiracy meme, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a thing as it makes sense

[low girder]

[vital haven]

oh nice

[low girder]

i will however bitch about raden fists until the end of time

14 fucking kills

[gloomy knoll]

i didn't do lfr just because it was slow but, i enjoyed doing daily heroics, exploring the world, doin keys, reclearing heroic speeds, it was all fun

[hollow escarp]

^

but they can find a balance

so you don't get bis gear from a treasure chest

[vital haven]

wasnt there a picture circulating here about raden slappers having leech corruption on it

[gloomy knoll]

i think if they had

end game pieces

[hollow escarp]

they kinda broke this world too much with anima being useless for character progression

[gloomy knoll]

that could be dropped from anything

but only provided like

.5-1% upgrades

instead of 10-40%

would be ok

[low girder]

Yeah somewhere. I've seen a few lol

[gloomy knoll]

and it would make the game worth playing

outside of raid logging, pushing keys, or arena climbing if those are your thing

[low girder]

Ask whispyr to explain that upgrade system from some game he played

He showed it all on stream once

[vital haven]

i remember when i got a wq trinket from bfa

that titanforged

50 item levels

[gloomy knoll]

[vital haven]

went from 355 to 415 or some shit

[low girder]

Yep

[vital haven]

in bod tier

[low girder]

Had people in the raid with normal titanforged tier

[gloomy knoll]

i honestly didn't mind war forging

[low girder]

That was higher than mythic

[hollow escarp]

I agree on this, but the community often complains when character power is tied to open world content (casual) but also complain that anima is useless

[gloomy knoll]

titan forging was dumb af

[low girder]

Wf is whatever

Wod system was fine

[gloomy knoll]

i think they complain because it's like such a big power upgrade

and when it's an intergral part of your spec yea that doesn't really work

but like if you put in some bad luck protection

and small power pieces

i honestly think it could work really well

[hollow escarp]

I liked artifact power

[vital haven]

i mean

[gloomy knoll]

i liked unlocking parts of my weapon yea

[vital haven]

some people did ye

[low girder]

i despised it

[gloomy knoll]

the grind not so much

[vital haven]

but some people really didnt

so thats why they moved away from it

[low girder]

as someone who routinely plays all 3 specs

AP was awful

[gloomy knoll]

yea it made alts impossible lol

[hollow escarp]

I liked artifact power so much that I still do the maw on my main and callings on alts

[gloomy knoll]

but they could easily make ap character wide

[low girder]

they did

[gloomy knoll]

so if you get 1 point it go's into all 3 specs

[low girder]

and then they added azerite powers

for some reason

[hollow escarp]

most of my alts are like 190-205 ilvl and 200 ilvl conduits just by casually doing callings each day

[low girder]

my DK is 213 and i haven't played it in like 2 months

the legendaries are the rough part, mostly

[compact pumice]

Callings and Maw is not too bad.

[vital haven]

i do find the grind regarding ap to be a bit overblown though

[hollow escarp]

the issue with alts is that heroic gear feels not worth pugging for and doing low m+ is annoying

[vital haven]

like i remember the last time i had to specifically grind ap was at the beginning of 8.2

[low girder]

in BfA? maybe

[slender berry]

Maybe take this to #wow-general

[vital haven]

after that it was w/e

[heavy trail]

got about 3500 SA and only a 190 of MA and zolds. Do I hold it or make something to practice on or upgrade is the question haha.

[gusty mirage]

Biggest dps gain in leggos is 190->210 if you do plan on upgrading them

[heavy trail]

Ok 🙂 So kinda worth it to spend 750 on the poison one

[compact pumice]

Well you would spend an extra item in the end. Assuming you intend to take both to rank 4 at some point that would mean you would've used 3 items instead of 2

But that's not that huge now that the first two ranks are quite cheap

[jolly phoenix]

Guys, can’t find this info. Shiv, do we use it even if we’re capped on combo points? Do we just use it on cd ignoring cp? Also, zol and ma are recommend gp and m+ but the dungeon slice sim in the pins puts doom blade within 0.4% of zol and above ma. Is this outdated or is there some interaction with conduits that changes the ranking considerably?

[low girder]

1. Yes, if you need to. obviously if you can avoid it, do so, but if it's off cd slam it. The idea is to play around the cd coming up so you have combo points and energy so you can hit shiv as it comes off cd and hit envenom right after
2. Doomblade has zero value on pulls above 3+ mobs, so it's not recommended.

[whole mason]

you may plan your actions before shiv, but, yes, use it even capped

[jolly phoenix]

Awesome thanks for the help 🙂

[compact pumice]

You could use Doomblade if you either want to maximize damage to priority targets / bosses. Some dungeons are more similar to how Dungeon Slice is set up than others, and can even be more boss heavy than Dslice which would make Doomblade work a bit better. But a Legendary like Zoldyck has pretty much equal value across all dungeons so that's why it's recommended.

But if you tell me you did the same damage with Doomblade in something like ToP as you did with zoldyck I wouldn't be that surprised

[low girder]

ToP is probably the only one I'd say you can run it

[hollow escarp]

zoldyck also feels so bad to play on SD because of last boss but in reality you get a lot of value from the rest of the dungeon for it to not matter

[heavy trail]

darn 18k for the 210 pants lol

Just timed my first 10 in HOA and I was almost 100% sure we wouldn't do it but on that last mini boss decided to just go balls deep on that last add with 4.5 minutes left and managed to blow it up with all spirits up and get the prideful dude and then went and torqued the pillar guy fast 🙂 Was a hurrah moment 🙂

[final star]

Server transferred, finally got the ugly i outta my username

Assassination gaming

[balmy condor]

Nice nice!