I hope we get some kind of soul ash refund
#assassination
hollow river
Zoldycks on sludgie?
gusty mirage
Really wish I'd crafted anything but this dumb deathly shadows <a:KEKWW:65669626...
Finality gang?
stoic needle
That would've been infinitely preferable
gusty mirage
You’d think that but you’d be thinking wrong sir
stoic needle
Next time I craft a leggo to try it out I'm doing it at 190 instead of 225 
I want doomspike, dashing, duskwalkers
Finality or akaaris
Whew that's a lot of ash
hollow river
Are that many leggo really viable? O:o
stoic needle
Yes
hollow river
That makes@me@sad
stoic needle
Why? You don't have to craft them all
gusty mirage
Don’t tell him how to live his life
stoic needle
I just want to because I think it's fun and I am a filthy degenerate minmaxer
gusty mirage
Definitely filthy
hollow river
Because I’ve just gone with the min max stuff 😒
lavish grove
Why does Sagacity leggo exists?
teal bloom
Craft tiny toxic blade for burst :)
spice spire
Outlul 
vestal wren
we can discuss the benefits of just playing ct everywhere
stoic needle
Craft tiny toxic blade for burst :)
hollow river
I have ma, celerity, doom blade and zoldys
spice spire
CT ST 
gusty mirage
LOL
stoic needle
CT ST <:peepostudy:585733927562641408>
Truly refined and interactive gameplay
vestal wren
ct isn't even that far behind iirc
stoic needle
It's close with zoldyck
vestal wren
on pure st
gusty mirage
Should I be worried if I say something to whispyr? I’m a lot easier to find and murder than fuu 
shy dust
It took expedient for assa to go deeper in BFA
stoic needle
It's worse with doomblade or dashing
shy dust
And in tier 1 of SL it’s already deeper
kind talon
Yes oxi
shy dust
They butchered my boy
kind talon
Be worried
spice spire
Ahhhh so fuu says Crimson tempest is BiS
balmy condor
Should I be worried if I say something to whispyr? I’m a lot easier to find and ...
You should get a good lawyer, oh wait
balmy condor
Murdead
gusty mirage
balmy condor
stoic needle
I have ma, celerity, doom blade and zoldys
I mean you're fine with those. I just think it's fun to have lots of options for different edge cases and situations in the game
The gear and coming up with gear sets is like 50% of the reason why I enjoy the game
gusty mirage
I was about to say I’m as good of a lawyer as I am a rogue but then I’d just be roasting myself 
stoic needle
That's why I want a bunch of legendaries
vestal wren
isn't EP beating BS and CT possibly beating PB or at least become equal with higher gear levels?
spice spire
Murmaidered?
stoic needle
If you're just chilling and doing whatever you don't need all of the legendaries
balmy condor
isn't EP beating BS and CT possibly beating PB or at least become equal with hig...
Yes
vestal wren
so... why do you want to murder me
stoic needle
CT ST gaming 
balmy condor
I’m not murdering you
hollow river
@stoic needle I wish I had the time to play enough to make even one BiS set of gear 😂
balmy condor
I’m coming to visit to give you some big schmusen
gusty mirage
Awwww
stoic needle
<@502859708504342538> I wish I had the time to play enough to make even one BiS ...
It's not really about having a fully bis set of gear. It's just about having a legendary or gear set that works a tiny bit better for every possible situation
balmy condor
vestal wren
haha ^^
gusty mirage
kind talon
Oxi nice emote
gusty mirage
Osh is turning me into a degenerate slowly
stoic needle
Like having a mastery set for aoe and an aoe legendary, and a haste set for single target and a single target legendary
hollow river
Yeah I’ve got those
stoic needle
Ofc I go deeper than that, wanting legendaries for different subsets of those main categories
But you don't have to go that far
spice spire
You’re a degenerate
shy dust
Like having a mastery set for aoe and an aoe legendary, and a haste set for sing...
That’s just called playing assa
That’s not degenerate
gusty mirage
Ofc I go deeper than that, wanting legendaries for different subsets of those ma...
Who hurt you?
stoic needle
spice spire
Now I know you played classic
stoic needle
Classic wow hurt me
shy dust
You required unique sets for assa in bfa too
shy dust
It’s not like outlaw where you just do good cleave inherently
hollow river
Any recommendations on stat weights for running deeper strat?
stoic needle
That’s just called playing assa
I mean most people don't even make 2 sets
shy dust
It was significantly worse in bfa
hollow river
As necro. No venthyr hastebuff
spice spire
BfA you HAD to make two sets in 8.3
shy dust
Where you’d need tons of combination of sets
gusty mirage
I was an aotc Andy in bfa @shy dust
balmy condor
Any recommendations on stat weights for running deeper strat?
It’s the same
hollow river
How much haste should I shoot for
stoic needle
Whatever sims best
gusty mirage
Eh you just needed like 5 or 6 Azerite pieces
balmy condor
^
spice spire
Greater than 0
shy dust
Eh you just needed like 5 or 6 Azerite pieces
How many
Max ilvl azerite pieces did you have
shy dust
Never rolled a duplicate once?
Getting the actual azerite you needed for sin in m+ was a pain
gusty mirage
No 
none of the good ones at least
stoic needle
Currently it's nice because you can just get away with having different rings and necklaces to exchange substats and have a core of crit and whatever but I'm excited to be able to put together more specialized sets as we go through the expansion
shy dust
Especially in 8.2
spice spire
Never got a usable shoulders 🙂
gusty mirage
Never got a usable shoulders 🙂
Golden tassel gang
dawn ivy
8.2 sin was so hard to get
gusty mirage
Just say fuck it were running EB anyway 
shy dust
The raid azerite was pretty shit for m+ in EP
spice spire
Same :/
shy dust
Wtb gorak tuls still pls
Mechagon shoulders > Gorak tuls
gusty mirage
Yeah the mechagon shoulders got me through 8.3. But I just wanted the GTs because the vendor hated me 😦
shy dust
PvP vendor is balanced around the fact
It doesn’t have nuts gear like m+ does
Outside of some specs
vast forum
it just has so much vers which is bad for most specs
shy dust
Who do want badge
stoic needle
Is that true for every spec?
shy dust
Most specs generally have better stats than Vers
stoic needle
I guess outlaw and ww are an exception
shy dust
Have you seen the stat distribution in conquest gear
stoic needle
Yeah it's dogshit lmao
shy dust
Yes counter that with an m+ vendor
Where you could chose the perfect stats
The best trinkets
stoic needle
What if the costs were higher
stoic needle
I'm just mad I do 10 keys every week but have a 220 Phial and iqd but people who do 1 get 226s
thorny pond
Badge vendor gives every armor slot but random stats. You still take it?
stoic needle
Idk I'm salty
gusty mirage
Badge vendor gives every armor slot but random stats. You still take it?
He loves mastery so yeah prolly
thorny pond
Mastery is my 🚀 to the moon baby
stoic needle
<:meowloser:587999111115046913>
I hope your mattress is replaced with legos
balmy condor
Jokes on you I don’t sleep
stoic needle
Mastery is my 🚀 to the moon baby
balmy condor
No need for a mattress
gusty mirage
I hope your mattress is replaced with legos
Wow dude if whispyr slept. That’d be messed up
shy dust
I'm just mad I do 10 keys every week but have a 220 Phial and iqd but people who...
Rng game gonna rng
thorny pond
My legendary ring was socketed with a mastery gem from EN
stoic needle
Desk chair replaced with legos then
gusty mirage
Desk chair replaced with legos then
shy dust
It’s like people who kill a raid boss once loot Coral
Others don’t loot it for 10 weeks or w/e
stoic needle
It's probably confirmation bias but I always have terrible luck with the things that I want the most
In classic wow it was weapons
In retail it's trinkets
thorny pond
It's probably confirmation bias but I always have terrible luck with the things ...
First slot upgraded every tier is wrists amirite?
balmy condor
I think the fact you hyperfixate on it makes it worse
stoic needle
I mean in reality I don't mind it that much, but complaining about it on the internet makes me feel better
balmy condor
When you have a headache it feels like the end of the world but then 3 days later you don’t even remember it
stoic needle
If I didn't farm the dungeons 20 times for the valor versions I don't think I'd care as much either
But that gets you invested
heavy trail
my 47 DOS and 26 PF took it's toll on my valor cap 🙂
thorny pond
But now you know them super well
gusty mirage
It’s true. I was there when osh dunked on a fire mage
heavy trail
100%
balmy condor
Fire mages are dogshit though
heavy trail
I still don't have a a IQD yet but at least I got a phial 🙂
balmy condor
M+? Have you heard of fire boomy windwalker ELE SHAMAN?
shy dust
Ele is nuts
stoic needle
Ele fucking pumps
balmy condor
Ele is indeed what a squirrel would burry in the backyard
vital haven
ye ele is insane now
shy dust
To the greatness of WW in keys
stoic needle
I'm mad that all you have to do is just tab target and do your rotation
And then spin
And you do 50k dps
heavy trail
easy to do damage classes kinda suck when you play a semi ramp class, but oh well...I enjoy ass where with a lot of other specs it's stressful to try to do damage lol
safe barn
I still don't have a a IQD yet but at least I got a phial 🙂
why would u want that
shy dust
During CDs at least
safe barn
phial / memory all the way
heavy trail
don't have a memory either
shy dust
You do it to keep up crane stacks before the spin tho right
Not rly
heavy trail
Not even sure what it is haha... but that just shows my ignorance
stoic needle
shy dust
And then you fixate and are fine
stoic needle
Your clones give you stacks?????
stoic needle
That's actually insane
balmy condor
shy dust
balmy condor
BiS achieved
vestal wren
7.3 O.O nicu
stoic needle
Powerful
shy dust
Can’t be asked to continue showing up on rogue anymore for dreadfire
stoic needle
Showing up for a dps loss trinket 
fleet anchor
I think the fact you hyperfixate on it makes it worse
I'm not sure this is really so much a player issue and more usually when something fucked up happens with the loot table distributions.
e.g. if there are only 1-2 good trinkets out of the pool of 70+ items, it is going to naturally feel worse than other slots where "whatever, it's a bracer" and you don't care which of the 8 different bracers drop.
safe barn
<@167090536602140682> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qGTW2CsQYJjfA8kyo2P...
🥶 DAMN
AND ALLIANCE
fleet anchor
Sometimes it's weapons because the chance to get weapons gets diluted by either certain loot able issues (like the token in CN being on the loot table with 5-6 items) or stuff like Daggers being non-tradable from others, etc.
balmy condor
I'm not sure this is really so much a player issue and more usually when somethi...
Oh for sure, but I’m also sure the pain is worse because you’re constantly thinking “man my trinkets are shit”
fleet anchor
Blizzard generally has some pretty major issues dealing with weapons and trinkets because of how the loot tables are structured and how those tend to be more binary
stoic needle
Oh for sure, but I’m also sure the pain is worse because you’re constantly think...
Honestly the frustrating part is putting in the effort to max out my chances and still getting garbage
polar cape
low girder
Honestly the frustrating part is putting in the effort to max out my chances and...
this is why i stopped going max effort
why have 3 disappointing vault options when you can have 1
fleet anchor
Currently I just really think it comes down to it being like only a 2-3% chance per M+ Great Vault slot of getting one of the two decent trinkets
stoic needle
Keys aren't so bad because I genuinely enjoy running them
fleet anchor
It's a pretty terrible rate
low girder
i've never been a huge fan of keys lol
vital haven
why have 3 disappointing vault options when you only need one good vault option
fleet anchor
I mean I ran the statistical numbers about say Phial
stoic needle
If sin wasn't so fun to play in dungeons I think I'd feel differently
fleet anchor
Even this many weeks since launch it was still the case a few weeks ago that it was more likely to not have ever seen Phial even if you are 2-slot in GV every week than to have seen it
stoic needle
But some affix combos so make it a chore
low girder
no phial no weapon club
fleet anchor
Even now I'm sure the numbers are still like ~40% chance to have never seen a Phial
shy dust
But some affix combos so make it a chore
Necro bolstering tyrannical
Who even decided
That should exist
gusty mirage
Probably the same guy who designed sanguine depths
balmy condor
Wait
gusty mirage
Eh sanguine’s a non affix, especially now. So’s quacking if your mage isn’t in melee like an idiot
balmy condor
Quaking sanguine is freelo
stoic needle
It's not in sanguine depths
fleet anchor
Like after 40 great vault slots, you probably only have about a 45% chance to have ever seen Phial
Based on the current loot table size
gusty mirage
It’s fine in SD I promise lol
stoic needle
No it's not lmao I did that key that last week it was awful
heavy trail
What's amazing is I get into these groups with a ret/DH/mage and they have no concept of priority damage (and I am a 195 scrub) and blow the group up by bolstering a big add and when politely reminded that it's bolstering get something like "Stfu pleb, I'm full burst top dps:"
stoic needle
There's nowhere safe to stand
fleet anchor
After 60 GV slots you will have had about a 55% chance to see Phial
balmy condor
What's amazing is I get into these groups with a ret/DH/mage and they have no co...
The joys of pugs
heavy trail
I can't lie sometimes it can be entertaining 🙂
stoic needle
Spiteful grievous 
gusty mirage
Grievous is just miserable there because of the gauntlet
Your healer’s tapped by the time you get to the end
stoic needle
Good thing they're nerfing cloaked in shadows 
heavy trail
@stoic needle got about 2000 or so SA and can get about another 700 or so. So gotta decide upgrade my zold to 210, or make a doomblade period. I don't or haven't pveed that much for raids, but might give some a shot this weekend. since I am enjoying the spec (and this channel's help) so much
20k for 210 legs ugh
stoic needle
You should consider dashing scoundrel as well
It's a bit more well rounded/flexible
heavy trail
I wanna PVP though. Only have the MA one at 190
stoic needle
I think that early on you're best getting multiple legendaries rather than pumping one up to high ilvl
MA is fine for pvp
heavy trail
probably
stoic needle
Well it's getting nerfed
loud light
After **60** GV slots you will have had about a 55% chance to see Phial
can't wait til the pool gets diluted by tazavesh loot in s3 😬
stoic needle
Both doomblade and dashing are pretty decent for pvp imo
stoic needle
can't wait til the pool gets diluted by tazavesh loot in s3 😬
Oh sweet jesus
heavy trail
that's why I figured I would make a leggo to use in pvp 🙂 ill research em both and see which one is more fun lol
fleet anchor
can't wait til the pool gets diluted by tazavesh loot in s3 😬
Yeah plus having to do it from scratch.. but I guess we will have Valor from the get-go, so that helps
I do wish they could do something like let you get a GV "upgrade token" or something
stoic needle
I pray to God that our current gear will still be valor upgradeable
fleet anchor
So you could choose what to upgrade from the items you already have
loud light
was honestly shocked the pity reward was stygia
stoic needle
Instead of stygia
loud light
and not some kind of upgrade currency
gusty mirage
I pray to God that our current gear will still be valor upgradeable
It won’t. We refarming boys
heavy trail
I figure Doomblade would be a cool "dick" leggo when I wanna kite someone with the extra bleed
stoic needle
It won’t. We refarming boys
shy dust
I pray to God that our current gear will still be valor upgradeable
Even God himself knows that is a no
stoic needle
With doomblade in pvp you just two shot people with huge envenoms
heavy trail
is DB's /mutilate's bleed another dot on the target ?
stoic needle
Yes but it doesn't give energy
heavy trail
Was just wondering if i need to track it
stoic needle
Nah
hollow river
Garrote and rupt are the only ones that give energy aren’t they?
heavy trail
Cool. Thanks.
stoic needle
Garrote and rupt are the only ones that give energy aren’t they?
And kidney with the talent
stoic needle
No sadly
hollow river
Didn’t think so
Anyone have some good suggestions for wa’s, nameplate and macros?
I’m using afenars wa, red rogues pandemic tracker and plater and no macros atm lol
kind talon
I use plater it’s pretty pogue
stoic needle
I have a bunch of auras and profiles I've made
hollow river
Yeah so far it’s best for seeing my bleeds IMO
stoic needle
hollow river
My buddy mouseovers his bleeds and interrupts o.o
stoic needle
It's important to know if your target is poisoned tho
kind talon
Nothing wrong with that
stoic needle
Mind numbing not so much
But deadly and crippling are important
Crippling in keys
hollow river
Really
heavy trail
Just hacked up my afenar shiv one to now glow green with shiv active or desaturated if swapped to a target that is not "shived" lol. Can't believer I never did that yet lol
hollow river
I only used crippling on spiteful lol
stoic needle
You should run crippling pretty much always
Because tanks kite
I only swap if I need to soothe
hollow river
😮 learning things everyday in here
heavy trail
@robust raptoroshi Kinda sucks that you have to switch lol. Cuz so many folks don't seem to understand the value of de-enraging lol
stoic needle
Rogue utility!
heavy trail
and crippling is massive in keys I figured that out also
stoic needle
Tbh sin should have both types of utility poisoned applied at the same time
kind talon
Actually insane in keys
stoic needle
It's whack that we don't get both and we are the poison spec
heavy trail
I had a tank tell me after one "thank you god of rogues for making sure I didn't die" lol. Kinda of weird but cool to get that as a dps 🙂
stoic needle
Iron wire and crippling makes tanks love you
heavy trail
they should back the dispel into something or have another ability honestly
stoic needle
Makes pulls so smooth
Yeah they need to separate shiv and toxicc blade again
The combination is just clunky for no reason atm
grave dock
Tbh sin should have both types of utility poisoned applied at the same time
I think at the very least shiv should dispel enrage regardless of your poison
hollow river
You need numbing for de enraging don’t you
kind talon
Yes
stoic needle
I would like to see different types of poison
gusty mirage
Iron wire and crippling makes tanks love you
Can confirm
hollow river
That’s why I’ve been running numbing in keys tbh
gusty mirage
That DR is actually wonderful
hollow river
😉
kind talon
Between pulls
grave dock
make agonizing poison great again
gusty mirage
Let’s you be a bit greedier with CDs
heavy trail
Shiv is a dps CD so in some ways if you use it to just dispel at the wrong moment, you are gimping your damage. Just like when tanks pull without letting you restealth 🙂
stoic needle
A ramping one for single target and a more instant damage frontloaded one for aoe
kind talon
Shiv is a dps CD so in some ways if you use it to just dispel at the wrong momen...
It doesn’t matter
Losing one shiv to dispel
stoic needle
Shiv isn't a huge deal in aoe damage wise
kind talon
Is way better than wiping
grave dock
it's always very telegraphed when you need it anyway
if you dump it for damage and don't have it for enrage, you screwed up
heavy trail
no doubt but other classes don't have the same hangup
hollow river
So we shiv even if we need to reup rupt?
balmy condor
Yes
hollow river
Correct?
stoic needle
no doubt but other classes don't have the same hangup
Yeah this is the problem for sure
kind talon
I mean they have to lose a gcd too though
stoic needle
We shouldn't be forced to choose
hollow river
Don’t you want 2 env in shiv tho
stoic needle
I mean they have to lose a gcd too though
Yeah but you don't spend your dps CD to do it lol
balmy condor
Don’t you want 2 env in shiv tho
The only reason to not shiv is to hold for vend, or if rupture is not currently ticking
kind talon
1,2,3 envenoms on shiv doesn’t matter
balmy condor
The whole “x envenoms in a shiv”
kind talon
Just press it on cd
heavy trail
I mean I get it should be smart about it but it's farking clunkly lol
balmy condor
Is a bunch of nonsense
hollow river
Really 😮
stoic needle
If you don't get 3 envenoms in every shiv your character is deleted
balmy condor
Idk who came up with magic “need to get 2 envenoms or bad”
kind talon
Yeah but you don't spend your dps CD to do it lol
Shiv isn’t a huge dps cd on aoe though
stoic needle
Shiv isn’t a huge dps cd on aoe though
Even though it's low impact it's still a bad gameplay loop
kind talon
Fair
heavy trail
Sometimes you are trying to burst a priority target down like in DOS those big skeletal fuckers in the packs
And they have an enrage thats good to dispel
Can time it nicely there 🙂
stoic needle
Honestly the casters in that pack are more important than the boneboy
low girder
Idk who came up with magic “need to get 2 envenoms or bad”
the people who had 70% haste
heavy trail
true
low girder
operating on previous xpac ideas
heavy trail
I think if theyh are situated around the stairs you wont' get blown off the platform 🙂
welp not spendnig 20k to go from 190 to 210 so guess will hoard and perhaps make a 190 scound/db
balmy condor
operating on previous xpac ideas
Always make sure to envenom early in your opener to get the agonizing poison stacks rolling quickly before your vendetta
low girder
TRUE
hollow river
@balmy condor I parsed 91% for my ilvl after you looked at my logs the other day
frigid sleet
do we have opening sequences for m+ anywhere ?
hollow river
Can we link in here?
@frigid sleet necro is a tad bit different I think, but this is a good baseline.
frigid sleet
eeeeeeh i'm not sure about that guy
iron orchid
eeeeeeh i'm not sure about that guy
that's the good reaction
hollow river
Really? Lol
iron orchid
He provides a lot of misinformation and is not much liked around here
I'm of the moderate ones
frigid sleet
sadly IV, wowhead & ravenholdt dont have much info about that and the bot APL does some weird stuff
iron orchid
What kind of misinformation?
I have not watched that video, but there is a lot of memeing about that one time he said there was a 33% crit cap to reach for sin rogue
which is actually non existent
vestal wren
luckLSs what information do you miss?
hollow river
Oh?
iron orchid
sadly IV, wowhead & ravenholdt dont have much info about that and the bot APL do...
M+ opener basically depends on the talents you picked
hollow river
Don’t stats have DR?
vestal wren
m+ opener is your normal opener for aoe if you have multiple targets
vast forum
even soft caps are rare
vestal wren
and your normal st opener if you have one big target
frigid sleet
i'm not sure if there's an optimal opening depending if you play MA or not, i'm playing 2210023
vestal wren
there is nothing special about m+, the only thing that you need to learn is how to time your cooldowns right
and thats something no guide can tell you
as groups will pull diffrent
frigid sleet
I usualy triple garrote, sbs, CT and then use more sbs to build more ruptures then start using fok when I run out of it
assuming having S&D already up on pull
and using MA
iron orchid
I usualy triple garrote, sbs, CT and then use more sbs to build more ruptures th...
applying at least one FoK relatively early can help apply more poisons in pakcs, and thus be more valuable than an early sbs
frigid sleet
yea that make even more sense since i'm using MA so I would get more CP from it anyway
stoic needle
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44hmZbevnrw
This video is full of misinformation
Infexious is not a trustworthy rogue content creator
stoic needle
If it's anything like his last one, yes
hollow escarp
didn't watch it either
stoic needle
Yeah this was the one I commented on
hollow escarp
I watched his streams recently and I think he is reading this chat 
as he often recommends simming
stoic needle
there's a lot of misinformation in this video dude... you shouldn't recommend people your own personal stat weights. you should tell people to sim themselves and gear accordingly. you don't fan of knives on 3 targets only 4+. you should use mutilate on 3 or less targets in M+. you shouldn't recommend poisoned katar blindly, it loses a lot of value in dungeons where you don't consistently pull 5+ targets every pull like theater of pain, plaguefall, and sanguine depths. using crimson tempest in the opener at 3 combo points after garottes is hugely energy inefficient. I encourage you to give more nuance and do more research before you put up videos like this that will only end up leading people astray...
that's the comment i posted on the video
hollow escarp
ahh yeah
stoic needle
no response
stoic needle
yeah
stoic needle
wasteland is better in pretty much all situations when you consider that it gives vers to your group
stoic needle
lol
stoic needle
its insane
hollow escarp
but it's a lot of RNG involved
hollow escarp
in raid yeah
I kinda panic on 10 sec pull timer
as sometimes the soulbind button doesn't appear
if you have it open when you press tome
stoic needle
i think there's some way to open the screen with a macro
like you can with the great vault
hollow escarp
I tried it on my recent heroic clear
but we didn't 1 phase the boss
because we had buyers
got 7k with doomblade Niya
1 phase
never again after that
stoic needle
beautiful
knotty sparrow
!opener
hollow escarp
in single target?
hollow escarp
mut snd mut garrote vendetta flag rupture shiv vanish
and then mut and envenom
based on combo points
quick sim on raidbots has a different rotiation but I don't think there is a big dps difference
knotty sparrow
ty
hollow escarp
I also use agi pot instead of phantom 😄
gusty mirage
Phantom fire 
hollow escarp
yeah, I'm too lazy to change it in raidbots
gusty mirage
I respect that
vocal stone
@balmy condor thx for the help in checking my logs king, went from 60-70 ilvl parse to 95+ ;")
gusty mirage
<@!167090536602140682> thx for the help in checking my logs king, went from 60-7...
Congrats 
Everyone’s got it in them to be a purple parser just gotta ask for help
hollow escarp
woke up 
vocal stone
Everyone’s got it in them to be a purple parser just gotta ask for help
exactly! now i need to do the same for my WW haha
gusty mirage
I’m sure you’ll kill it dude 
I believe
vocal stone
thankfully the homies in peak of serenity disc are almost as helpful as whispyr
ionic kelp
just dm trill directly
vocal stone
FACTS
hollow escarp
I would ask for his ui
vocal stone
cleanest monk ui tbh
gusty mirage
I’d ask if he’s been outside since the blizzcon finals but I’m kinda toxic tbh
vocal stone
but fr, would trill be considered the best wow player atm?
lunar pewter
Hey Guys , im new to Assa Rogue , which piece of armor should i use for Leggy 🙂 ?
hollow escarp
leather? 
gusty mirage
but fr, would trill be considered the best wow player atm?
He’s definitely up there. Fantastic player in a lot of aspects of the game
lunar pewter
i mean shoulders or Gauntlets
gusty mirage
Go to bed Kojack
lunar pewter
^^
vocal stone
gauntlets bc SLG shoulders if doomblade
gusty mirage
Gauntlets are preferred because you can get shoulders off mythic stone legion. If you can’t it doesn’t matter
vocal stone
im pepega and did it on shoulders. don't do that.
hollow escarp
soul ash is uncapped now 😉
ionic kelp
still dont wanna do torgy tho 
gusty mirage
soul ash is uncapped now 😉
Nah man I full sent my shame. 235 pauldrons
balmy condor
woke up <:monakS:667668862216437760>
Woke up from nap looked at the clock, 10 minutes to work
lunar pewter
ok and what if i tell u im never gonna kill SLG Mythic ?
hollow escarp
hollow escarp
ok and what if i tell u im never gonna kill SLG Mythic ?
never say never
gusty mirage
It’s okay @balmy condor let me close these 3 cases I’ll make it rain subs on you so you can quit your job
vocal stone
DONT SETTLE FOR LESS KING
lunar pewter
im pretty sure
lunar pewter
my guild is not killing SLG
hollow escarp
I was 90% sure that I won't even see SLG this expac because how rogue was in 9.0 and now I'm on it 
well then, shoulders are fine
gusty mirage
Then it’s really up to you. Reason I went with the shoulders is because I had 220 shoulders (then got 226 in the GV next reset 
)
lunar pewter
also , the Rogue is more of an alt .. but i like the specc alot soo
gusty mirage
It’s okay to laugh at me Kojack
lunar pewter
gusty mirage
<:pepeLoser:742803204361814106>
It’s okay my raid performance has been awful, I’m like getting 60s on reclears now
hollow escarp
been the same last few weeks
but I did get my best Huntsman pull this week
was pretty happy as a trial
hollow escarp
the other rogue was only 200 dps behind but he is necro
gusty mirage
Yeah I found necro ST kinda sadge ngl
hollow escarp
I like raiding with other rogues in guild
it's a weird competition that benefits both of us
gusty mirage
Yeah ever since I was the last rogue standing my motivation has kinda dwindled lol
hollow escarp
makes sense
I find it weird on how so many rogues are not even part of ravenholdt discord
gusty mirage
A lot of folks are good with just reading the guides on sites, YouTube guides, etc
Plus class discords are sometimes kinda toxic, ya know?
hollow escarp
I've heard that about other classes
more than I did about the rogue one
we're a gang here 
balmy condor
You’re saying I need to be more toxic?
gusty mirage
hollow escarp
gusty mirage
novel lily
plz no, nice whispyr is best whispyr
hollow escarp
well, once you hear his voice on stream once, you know he isn't toxic 🙂
balmy condor
hollow escarp
just passionate
stoic needle
I mean you are the poison spec cf
balmy condor
And then you hear it twice
stoic needle
Why aren't you toxic
novel lily
link?
balmy condor
And want to die
gusty mirage
hollow escarp
lol
gusty mirage
Why aren't you toxic
Because we’re all too busy being toxic toward you duh
gusty mirage
But when he does stream it’s 110% unadulterated content
I miss the factorio streams tbh
novel lily
ah I rarely veiw peoples profiles, ty ty
stoic needle
Because we’re all too busy being toxic toward you duh
You're just mad I'm right about mastery
balmy condor
ah I rarely veiw peoples profiles, ty ty
Underrated feature tbh
hollow escarp
until others remind you that you have facebook link there
stoic needle
gusty mirage
People still use Facebook unironically?
novel lily
well i mean if im gonna stalk someone....i am at least going to have the curtousy to climb a tree and watch through a window like a professional 😛
balmy condor
Did you know back in the day, sin was this green color for poison builds, and red for bleed builds cause both were viable
stoic needle
Imagine....
gusty mirage
Better times 
stoic needle
Having multiple builds...
balmy condor
But nowadays we’re just one track people
hollow escarp
we unironically have multiple builds now
stoic needle
Kind of
balmy condor
we unironically have multiple builds now
Yeah poison bomb or no poison bomb
pliant apex
Can I soak consume on mythic hungering too? If yes how best to do it
balmy condor
Can I soak consume on mythic hungering too? If yes how best to do it
Take the first tick and cloak the rest
hollow escarp
well, I loved legion, but back then it was cookie cutter
balmy condor
well, I loved legion, but back then it was cookie cutter
Legion was back when we had the split of bleed/poison
thorny pond
Damage Amp poison ftw
pliant apex
Take the first tick and cloak the rest
I’m noob how do I know when’s first tick, it’s just a cat right
turbid harbor
Poison boys for life
hollow escarp
or maybe I was ignorant
balmy condor
I’m noob how do I know when’s first tick, it’s just a cat right
You’ll get hit for half your hp
hollow escarp
pliant apex
You’ll get hit for half your hp
So obv don’t soak if I’ve miasma?
hollow escarp
never tried that
tbf, I keep cloak for risky situations rather than dps on consume
balmy condor
Should be fine if you’re topped off beforehand
But definitely sketch
Wouldn’t recommend doing both
pliant apex
Yea I’m trialing. They ain’t tipping me for shit I’ll just not dps and run out
hollow escarp
trialing is not just dps, unless the officers are bad 😉
pliant apex
It is; at the end of the day: it always is
hollow escarp
I see what you mean though
pliant apex
Heh
stoic needle
Being able to do dps and mechanics at the same time 
hollow escarp
try that on xymox
ionic kelp
Night two of people not holding dps and going ape 
balmy condor
Gotta get that bread
odd hazel
is there a way to track raid activity? like a log where it shows where people move through out the fight.
low girder
there's a replay tab on every log
hollow river
do we run 320x2223 for m+?
balmy condor
do we run 320x2223 for m+?
Pins have suggested talents
cerulean nest
well i started sub, got deep into sin for ST, and now am looking at outlaw for the first time for higher m+ keys
my brain hurts
balmy condor
Logs do that
Warcraftlogs
But they have a client that can bring up a log as an overlay if you’re down for that
I’m not entirely sure what your goal is
dark jewel
vendetta on pull on old boy sludgy?
solar hare
On pull, second and 4th pillar usually
shy dust
vendetta earlier than usual
solar hare
If lust 4th^
balmy condor
Regardless of lust
If you do 4 pillars pull/2/4, if you do 3, you shift by 1 pillar, so pillar 1/3
strange python
i feel like i must apologies to you all
balmy condor
For what?
strange python
i am thinking about going mage next patch, i know this may come as a shock. but im sorry
balmy condor
Oh
solar hare
balmy condor
Yeah that’s bannable
woeful meteor
Ranged dps monka
strange python
and my RL is a fucking popega
i dont even know how to ranged bro
im in melee half the time spamming ice lance
balmy condor
and my RL is a fucking popega
woeful meteor
Just wait for sin topping meters
strange python
we would be in every raid
hahahahahaa
fuck off
that was not a personal attack that was a humorous jib at a fellow stabby colleague
strange python
Bro I just read the rules for the first time I don’t want banned
I’m gassed tho next patch sin I just feel it is going to be mad
solar hare
Subs gonna be viable 
balmy condor
Yeah its right there
Imagine if not playing rogue was actually something we did
Entire staff in shambles
strange python
I know
Been stabbing my way from the bottom bro
Started sin
No sub
Moved to outlaw then sin. I’ve seen some shit. De’d some bis gear for other specs cos it had no crit vers
It’s been a rough road
stoic needle
for SLG, should i vend on the pull on kaal so that i have vendetta up again for the goliath in the intermission, or vend on the first goliath and hold vendetta for the first goliath in p2 after the intermission?
drifting cloud
but restore items exist 
stoic needle
@limber lion thoughts?
solar hare
Entire staff in shambles
Lmfaooo
gusty mirage
Yeah its right there
strange python
for SLG, should i vend on the pull on kaal so that i have vendetta up again for ...
Vend pull
Also play outlaw
stoic needle
my rl wants me to play sin for goliath damage 🙂
slow marsh
for SLG, should i vend on the pull on kaal so that i have vendetta up again for ...
I had a full night of pulls last week and I found the best use was on Kaal because the first goliath dies super quick anyways and it's more efficient to pump as much as you can into her for the first 30 secs before you pretty much stop focusing her the rest of the fight as you shift focus to adds and just cleave her
stoic needle
i'm free
slow marsh
Then vendetta 2nd goliath for sure
gusty mirage
do I just hang up the daggers and become a tank main?
topaz rain
Im looking to just get up to 15's which for a newbie is a challenge I am sure, I love sin, don't mind outlaw, is sin something I can run in mythics and bring the dps or should I just save myself a lot of time and go in and gear outlaw from the start? I know I give up gouge etc, but was hoping if the damage is there I could be a good assassin (not sure if the game works like that, i.e the burst vs ramp up of ass means I never get going)
stoic needle
I had a full night of pulls last week and I found the best use was on Kaal becau...
yeah u have a point the first one melts
stoic needle
Im looking to just get up to 15's which for a newbie is a challenge I am sure, ...
sin is very competitive in damage to outlaw in m+ if you play it properly
slow marsh
Yeah mages/boomies/hunters just shit on it during the opener and you for sure don't want to hold vendetta
topaz rain
@stoic needle thank you
slow marsh
oh wow lol jyeah
stoic needle
its so much fucking aoe man its insane
slow marsh
Yeah just pump into kaal/goliaths I'd say
drifting cloud
are you bringing gollie into intermission?
gusty mirage
@balmy condor will I ever be a good rogue? Or am I just washed 😦
drifting cloud
then it barely matters, you might aswell vendetta when gollie is at like 40%
no point trying to get most vendetta casts if its slow strat anyways
drifting cloud
just get them where theyre most important
strange python
<@!167090536602140682> will I ever be a good rogue? Or am I just washed 😦
Why do you think you’re bad
balmy condor
Cause it’s human nature to compare yourself to those better than you, and as you get better and better, you always compare yourself to those higher up
So you’re naturally in a cycle of never being better than anyone
The only way you look is up
So you always think you’re bad
calm dome
Its almost philosophy right here Whisp ;)
strange python
Me too
stoic needle
strange python
I found my old weapon swapping blade flurry macro from WoD the other day
I’d swap to dagger oh automatically when the BF was pressed for them insta poison procs
And 2 big Bois for St
stoic needle
😬
balmy condor
I went to HFC for mogs and had vivid flashbacks to revealing strike holding on first boss for a big pack to spawn and hit deep insight into killing spree
strange python
Yes my man those were the days
I have flashbacks on holding it on iskar but I can’t remember why were there adds on that fight?
strange python
The damn Raven
balmy condor
And then a mech
strange python
I loved hfc
balmy condor
Had to toss around the orb to a healer for the dispel
strange python
I was pretty close with rylix and some other rogues back then
Sometimes I go back and look at logs with huge soul cap booms
Do you not okay outlaw at all?
Play
balmy condor
Nope
I played combat on aoe fights
And then the legion rework made me hate outlaw
Haven’t played it seriously since
I try to like it every couple patches
I really do
But I spec outlaw and just spend the entire time wishing I didn’t
strange python
Do you do much m+ as sin?
heavy trail
47 runs I think and some paladin hands me in IQD 🙂
supple pelican
took me like 60 runs of plaguefall to get my phial =/
say people do 3.5k avg get it over and over
heavy trail
my plaguefall awas in the 20s but on both, i never got anything really someone was just nice and handed both lol
supple pelican
i have a feeling ill get our first 233 dreadfire 
i've never even gotten a 220 one
oak cypress
so flag gives u 5% haste everytime you spend CP?
or is it 5% haste per CP u spend?
im kind of confused on the wording
balmy condor
1% per cp
oak cypress
ahhhhhhh ok
cyan kite
HFC good times
The first few weeks of legion prepatch where exsang was broken OP 
I really disliked the poison bomboli meta for sin in legion though
oak cypress
on sludge u pop vend on pull right?
balmy condor
If you’re doing 4 pillars
Hold on
There
Convo from earlier
If you vend/vanish on pull, you want to do it very early, like 2-3 seconds in
Or else it’ll be tight coming back for second pillar
oak cypress
question, should i be having flag/vend all popped as he is charging? or wait till after he hits pillar?
kind talon
question, should i be having flag/vend all popped as he is charging? or wait til...
do it as hes charging
void pecan
Sounds about right.
kind talon
vend is longer than
halcyon zealot
i’ve convinced one of our priests to give me a PI 2nd pillar sludge the last few weeks 
feels so nice
heavy trail
just curious you want to vend/vanish to get the MA buff from stealth on envenoms ?
balmy condor
question, should i be having flag/vend all popped as he is charging? or wait til...
Vend you can pop beforehand, flag you definely want to hold until he hits
That instant damage from the conduit hits quite hard
heavy trail
what leggo do you pros usually run as assassin in torghast ?
safe barn
both ma and doomblade are fine
supple pelican
what leggo do you pros usually run as assassin in torghast ?
the ones for outlaw. 
balmy condor
I run MA usually but there’s a solid argument to be made for zoldyck
You’d want to play it like M+ but take leeching poison
And possibly master poisoner if you’re feeling frisky
heavy trail
i can do 8s on my 195 in 20 mins fairly easily just was curious... i dunno i don't find the other specs fun haha
stoic needle
imagine playing outlaw in torghast when you could play assassination
sub is fun
outlaw is boring
i run MA NS MFD CT and swap to doomblade for bosses
Sin is kinda fun on slg ngl
It's like a m+ dungeon but in boss form
supple pelican
sub is big fun in torghast
but i dont really care i just want it over with so i go outlaw and pull everything then evasion it 
gusty mirage
imagine using "fun" and "torghast" in the same sentence
heavy trail
lol yeah torghast isn't really fun...
got all my weapons and trinkets to 207 going to try and get 10s across now got 1 so far. Should i just hoard my valor until then ? got about 2k and am at the cap I guess that's probably the best idea
stoic needle
yeah since there's no cap besides the seasonal cap you may as well just save it
heavy trail
Would be kind of a pain to go through all the individual pieces at 200+ to figure 1) which to get and how many points to allocate so that's what I will do. Wanna fuck around with another leggo. lol
stoic needle
there's this great feature of raidbots called droptimizer that tells you exactly what you should be going for
it sims every item from a dungeon and ranks them by potential dps upgrade
heavy trail
Illrun out of valor in 3-4 upgrades and ill want to hit up my trinkets/weapons if I can manage to get some folks to invite my scrub ass to some 10s outside of my own keys) haha
ill run that now
need a premium account lol 🙂
frozen drift
no. you suck. go play demon hunter.
just kidding. you are doing great uptime
For sire, even the best Rogue players have close to 96%. so 93 isnt very far off at all.
balmy condor
93 is fine yeh
kind talon
@limber lion I watched your stream and how you played the huntsman fight
and I pumped
the fuck out of it
balmy condor
Sire has some natural downtime that you can’t avoid
slow marsh
got all my weapons and trinkets to 207 going to try and get 10s across now got 1...
Yes hoard valor until you get KSM then get 210 gear and upgrade that instead of the lower ilvl. more efficient
kind talon
whispyr
i went EP poison bottle on inerva
and it felt SO GOOD
might try blindside if we reclear next week though
gloomy knoll
ep's not bad on that fight if you have a quick kill time
cuz then you spend a majority of the beginning in lust
and the rest of it with ads helping your ep
and then boss dies fairly quick
so is giga dam
kind talon
yeah
ep was really nice
cause with adds up i just
sbs spam rupture
on all of them
garrote whenever i can
@balmy condor IF i vanish right before portal cast on xymox
CAN i skip it?
asking for a friend
i wouldnt troll my raid like that 🙂
gloomy knoll
from my experiences no
you don't drop combat with vanish
in raids
you can only drop targeted abilities that are already on you
kind talon
but can i be targeted from stealth?
yeah
portal cast is targeted
so i wont be chosen right
only asking cause im getting PI on pull
gloomy knoll
that boss is sphaghetti coded as fuck
kind talon
has to go somewhere
gloomy knoll
sometimes it legit just picks like
1 perso
and gives them every portal every pull
all night
no fucking clue why
gloomy knoll
gloomy knoll
such a weird comp
kind talon
i got 1 pi
kind talon
and on arti
the priests are back in town
triple priest
LETS GO
oh but esra check this out
i didnt get pi until HD Inerva
but my best parse was on huntsman w/o it
???????
im j bad ig
gloomy knoll
lmao
kind talon
fr
kind talon
kind talon
so my parses are like
stonks
📈
oh
thats why i parsed well on huntsman
OHHHHHHHHHHHH
gg it all makes sense now
gloomy knoll
lmao yuh
kind talon
yuh yuh
gloomy knoll
necro =/= bis ST
kind talon
fuck a dog it goes BUH
gloomy knoll
you're gonna be doing better on cleave tho
stoic needle
Necro is super close to venthyr though for st
kind talon
esra my guy im through the roof rn idk