assassination

[gray fjord]

But Idk how you learn the new power other than from the vendor

Not a 100% fair test, but just to see what it does and how buggy it is XD

[balmy condor]

We kinda really need a kyrian

[stoic needle]

imagine playing kyrian

[balmy condor]

I’ll dm you zera

[gray fjord]

Yeah I need to get my renown up on live to copy some over for the Mikanikos testing

Kk boo

[dim temple]

Take one day or less to get your renown to 30+

[gray fjord]

Yeah I know, I just haven't had time to yet. Been testing a lotta PTR stuff. I probably will dump Kyrian renown really quick so I can switch back to Necro for push week next week

Or Venthyr, idk, need both still

[gloomy knoll]

pi is for bitches

[undone scroll]

is it worth fully upgrading zyd or just restarting and getting doom blade for raiding? Unsure how big the dps gap is between them

[gloomy knoll]

zdicks is good for aoe / cleave

if you wanna raid as sin i reccomend getting doomblade first

[undone scroll]

well i have a 3 outa 4 built zdicks

[gloomy knoll]

the upgrade is very small dps increase

[undone scroll]

so i just get the 190 doom?

[gloomy knoll]

it's just secondary stats

i would work on ur doom yea

[undone scroll]

ok thx

[balmy condor]

Not even 7200 man wtf

[gloomy knoll]

was honestly one of my sloppier pulls

i just got lucky in p1 this pull

[ionic vault]

on aoe pulls do you crimson tempest before snd?

[gloomy knoll]

nope

wait are you talking like M+?

[ionic vault]

yes

[drifting cloud]

you should have snd from the previous packs I guess

[gloomy knoll]

you ideally wanna keep it rolling 24/7

from previous packs

so you never have to do a snd opener

and can just ram each new pack

additionally hold cp in between pulls too if you know alacrity is gonna drop off

and use that cp to keep up snd + alacrity

[mossy sable]

While Tempest is better if I wanted to just use something for some extra damage (Without a new Keybind) would it be better to use Hidden or Poison Bomb for AoE

[ionic vault]

hidden sims higher for me

[drifting cloud]

I just bind ct where ambush is

[mossy sable]

I am using Marked rn

And just didn't want a 6th button

[drifting cloud]

but you really should play ct

its definetly better than mfd

[mossy sable]

I am just in torghast

If it was in a dungeon I just wouldn't play Sin

[drifting cloud]

oh for torghast I just stealth like 80% of it anyways

[mossy sable]

CT is like the main reason I don't like Sin AoE honestly

Same thing I dislike about Sub AoE

The playstyle of using Fan and burning it on some other ability (Black Powder, CT) idk I just do not like it

[gloomy knoll]

yea i use poison bomb for ghast

i just skip all the trash tho and go right to the end boss

[stoic needle]

blasting in theater of pain with doomblade+PB

healer died during the last boss(and i did too) but heirmir's reverie let me stay alive long enough to kill her

did a full like 2k dps more than everyone else on all of the bosses

[steep mesa]

hi friends, what are thoughts on assassination rogues cov at the moment? I'm still levelling but necro seems abit finnicky for me right now, only tried kyrian and necro so far

[shy dust]

venthyr is the best for assa st

necro is versatile

and good for m+

and aoe/cleave

[stoic needle]

venthyr is bis for st, necro is bis for aoe and M+ and not very far behind venthyr for st

[steep mesa]

im planning mostly pvp content, this is great info thank you

[stoic needle]

necro is very good for pvp too

[steep mesa]

is there somewhere to read up more about necro/venth rotations? i was looking up wowhead and doesnt seem to show much about when to use for necro's ability since there's 3 charges

[stoic needle]

you open with SBS from stealth if you're using the master assassin talent

otherwise you use sbs during shiv or during the heirmir: gemstones proc

[steep mesa]

interesting, much appreciated

[rustic turtle]

hey all

a few questions

trying to make a burst macro for assassination for pvp

currently the macro is set to cast:
marked for death
kidney
garrote
serrated bone spike
shiv
mutilate
envenom

does shiv contribute to envenoms damage? meaning, is envenom nature damage? and does shiv give a bleed? im brand new to assa so idk anything yet

[plain thistle]

shiv isnt a bleed

but envenom is poison/nature damage

[rustic turtle]

okay so is that a worthwhile burst?

the way i have it

or would u change anything?

its been getting people down to about 20% in an average bg

but im not geared yet

[plain thistle]

are you trying to do a cast sequence macro for pvp?

[rustic turtle]

yeah

[plain thistle]

hmmm, not a big fan, but you are missing rupture there

[rustic turtle]

hmm

lemme experiment w where to place it

bc yes ur 100% right itd be super beneficial

[plain thistle]

especially because that just for the first opener, because after that you should already have dots up on the kill target

[rustic turtle]

im gonna experiment w a few versions of it and report back

the goal is a 100-0 or very close to it

[balmy condor]

Also we have a pvp Chanel

And it’s #pvp

[stoic needle]

one shot macros in general aren't a good idea

[rustic turtle]

so ill try to make a 100-0 and a true opener

[balmy condor]

And they talk pvp

But yeah

[rustic turtle]

oh got it!

ill check it out

my bad

[balmy condor]

Macroing is a no no

They just end up fucking you up

[cerulean nest]

anyone able to take a quick peek at my Inerva kill? just want to see how else I can improve (it was our first kill also)

[balmy condor]

I won’t be able to look till tomorrow but feel free to let me know if no one takes a look

[cerulean nest]

sure thing, thanks

[low girder]

i probably won't be as good as whispyr at it but i can take a look

[cerulean nest]

no worries! any advice is appreciated

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bfWmZC6YrRtnPFpy#fight=39&type=damage-done&source=9

I know my uptime on the big add could have been better, but wondering what else could be improved

[low girder]

wasted 8 CPs on mutilate and 3 on garrote

couple on shiv but that's fine

ideally you only want seal fate and shiv CPs wasted

[cerulean nest]

you mean just overcapping CPs?

[low girder]

yeah

[cerulean nest]

kk yeah, i noticed it as it was happening

[low girder]

seal fate procs are its own thing so wasting those is fine, but wasting on actual muts and garrotes is pretty bad

though you didn't do it too much

[cerulean nest]

cool thats something to straighten out

where do you see that in the logs btw

[low girder]

resources -> change hit points to combo points

[cerulean nest]

oh my god. been searching for this

[low girder]

tracking dot uptime on adds is something i'm bad at looking at lol

since it's % of the fight

normally

[cerulean nest]

yeah. i mean i asked whispyr about adds and he said just keep the big one dotted, which I know i slacked on for a couple of them

just a positioning/mechanics on first kill thing though

[low girder]

yeah pretty much

i didn't actually check you're venthyr right

[cerulean nest]

yeah

[low girder]

yeah ok, not much you can do for the small add

was gonna say if you're necro you can slam an sbs real quick

[cerulean nest]

i would sometimes throw a quick garrote on them if I was also interrupting

but they died quick either way

[low girder]

i guess one other small thing you could do, although you said this is first kill so kind of a wash

since you'll only get 4 flags off you can sync the last one with a vendetta

[real kettle]

any advice for mythic sire?

[low girder]

oh wait hang on

[cerulean nest]

yeah i was actually gonna ask about that

[low girder]

mm you might not have been able to

sec

[cerulean nest]

because the pot also comes off cd sort of around the time vend is back up

[steep mesa]

Where does slice and dice fit into our rotation

Especially on open

[cerulean nest]

but i would have to hold the last vend for awhile

to line that up

[low girder]

mut snd mut garr rup, unless something happens you won't drop it, refreshes with vendetta

assuming MA talented

and yeah, you would've held for a while but you wouldn't miss out at 5:30

[steep mesa]

Interesting, thought would open with garrote !

[low girder]

kind of an unfortunate kill timing on this fight lol

but first kill so totally understandable

that's a farm thing

[cerulean nest]

yeah, in a better pull i probably wouldnt even have time for a second pot anyway

[low girder]

only if you take subterfuge

[steep mesa]

Ooh..

Would you open with mfd kidney into the mut snd etc?

[low girder]

kidney?

are we talking pvp

[steep mesa]

Sorry yes

[low girder]

oh lol, welp

that's a #pvp question, i'm not qualified

[steep mesa]

All good, just getting my head around it, relearning from bfa assassination

Dropped rogue when I saw sub being meta

[cerulean nest]

thanks though @low girder that helps a lot

[silver shore]

Is doom blade the end all be all for raiding? Logs show top rogues on doom but everything I’ve read says zoldicks

Also I currently have no leggos currently so would it be worth getting for gearing up

[low girder]

np

[low girder]

for raiding yeah pretty much every fight you take doomblade

sire prog zoldyck is nice

but all those parses are on farm and they're not worried about p3 dmg

[steep mesa]

Doom blade seems like amazing overall content
Zold is like pvp execute vibes

[cedar crater]

thinking of switching over from outlaw, any thoughts?

[silver shore]

Gotcha. You can get doomblade in TC even if it’s not the right week right?

[low girder]

yeah, long as it's layer 3 or higher. not guaranteed either, unfortunately.

[low girder]

for what?

[cedar crater]

not pulling enough dmg in raids. My rotations are fine, ive been trying to figure out why im not pullin a lot of dps, and just thought sin might be worth a shot

[low girder]

might be on the ST fights. outlaw's still quite good on a lot of the fights though.

or well, good in comparison to the other rogue specs lol

[wary ice]

Idk outlaw doesn't have problems on st. Assas better on the non cleave bosses to answer you directly but if you're having trouble pulling numbers on outlaw it's far more likely a rotational/positional or strategy thing that switching specs won't really solce

[cedar crater]

gotcha, ty for help

[low girder]

might be worth taking your logs to #outlaw for people to review

assuming they're not still on hold, i heard something about that but there's no pins or anything about it

[wary ice]

Low parses could also just be a slow kill time thing rbh

[rain frigate]

what do i run in firtst talent row for pvp

[wary ice]

#pvp

But master poisoner most likely

[rain frigate]

ok ok i been running that ty bb

[cerulean nest]

what is this "increase you and the target's damage" for tricks? is that a thing?

[mellow carbon]

Looks like the anima power in Torghast.

[lunar otter]

pvp

[solar hare]

pvp talent

[low girder]

they had to reword how the tooltip reads when you take the pvp talent

that's why that shows up

[mellow carbon]

Ha, can tell I don't pvp very often.

[cerulean nest]

oh word

[errant delta]

Used to be a thing in wrath

[low girder]

downside of scraping data differences lol

[steep mesa]

I remember rogues used to tricks each other to boost damage lol

[pure moth]

Yes

And my guild would pay me for tricks. Made a nice chunk of gold

Went to highest bidder lol

[oak cypress]

venthyr runs theotar for M+? or stick to nadija

[low girder]

believe you run theotar

[cerulean nest]

i mean if they gave that back to us maybe we'd actually get picked for raid lol

[stoic needle]

we already do get picked for raid though

[cerulean nest]

oh yeah I'm not sub anymore

we are picked

[stoic needle]

[dawn ivy]

waited 6 hours, ptr still isnt working

[full tendon]

Is sin not far behind outlaw in M+ performance now?

Just did a key and was pleasantly surprised by performance

[low girder]

it's pretty close if played well yeah

[full tendon]

Kinda hating outlaw; really hot and cold for me

[dark crag]

Rogues are picked when the raid isn't led by people who only look how limit did wf

I mean i had like really worse uptime on sire p3, only got 1 vendetta in but was still higher middle dps

Top 4 overall on sire after the boosted pi people

[fallow otter]

This isn't aimed at you specifically but I'm not sure why people constantly compare their dmg to other classes and people in their group. Referencing your own performance on a variable with massive variance isn't a good guide. To your point, sin is good for P3 sire, not middle it's right near the top

[dark crag]

It is but when you get bench because rl is like "rogue offer no raidutility" you get mad, even when you get fucked on first kill. I have now like 10 pulls + kill on that boss, did terrible in p3, because i don't want to die, but still did middle dps in p3 with doomblade

From that 10 pulls only 3 even got to p3

[fallow otter]

Is this mythic? If so what class is replacing you

[balmy condor]

we off work

Did I miss things

[fallow otter]

Wish I was

[low girder]

nah i held it down pretty well i think

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

if you wanna check that dude's logs on add rupture uptime that might be good

[fallow otter]

This guy just vanished

[low girder]

i'm bad at that

[balmy condor]

What dudes rupture uptime thingy majig

[low girder]

dude from earlier

uh

[fallow otter]

Avatar checks out

[balmy condor]

How far am I scrolling

[low girder]

this

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah

Me look at that tomorrow

[low girder]

otherwise i think i gave good advice

[balmy condor]

Cba

[low girder]

lol

[fallow otter]

If you hear us talking about 9x expedient, you've gone too far

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

feel like that would come up fairly frequently

"SIN TOO SLOW BRING BACK CORRUPTION"

[fallow otter]

It's slow but it's alright

We can all agree though

The opener is fuckin horrific

[low girder]

i actually think playing CT on sire is super fun

especially p2

[balmy condor]

Just let the spec be slow

Stop pushing sin to be fast

[fallow otter]

Shhh

[balmy condor]

[cerulean nest]

how do I view the other guy's replay when comparing logs lol i wanna pull my hair out

[balmy condor]

Leet me have it

[sacred yarrow]

Fast sin is fun sin :(

[balmy condor]

Click the log to open the original, then go to replay from there

[balmy condor]

That’s a feral druid

[fallen fable]

Well if u want to break fingers of speed go on outlaw

[fallow otter]

You can keep it slow while I'm a ww but when I come back im gonna have to talk to my boys at bliz about getting it global locked again

[balmy condor]

Sin is the only remaining slow spec

Let it fucking be

[low girder]

i just about tore my hair out trying to play mfd outlaw on slg tbh

so much stress

[balmy condor]

Go get your arthritis somewhere else

[fallow otter]

LOCK DA GLOBALS

[sacred yarrow]

Ew man

[dark crag]

I replaced a ret yesterday. Melees are 2dks, ww, warri. I mean rl worried about add dmg p1 and that says everything

They all have over 100 tries and around 3 or 4 kills now

[fallow otter]

Dks offer alot so it's understandable, less adds p1 and amz obv

Ww your only debuff?

[dark crag]

No

[fallow otter]

Warr?

[dark crag]

Yes

[honest breach]

is the new venthyr legy buggy ? thought it would only reduce the cd on the initial time windown, not the whole initial + the Bufftime. tested it and came to a 30sec cd

[dark crag]

Since they are dead set on the ranges and putting a mage in mirror group for lust instead of maybe a shami heal instead of the druid heal. The only spots were ww and ret

[fleet anchor]

Venthyr legendary has a bunch of problems, seems buggy in general

[honest breach]

ok thanks

[sick scarab]

Toxic Onlsaught... mmm

in the opener it extrend vendetta by 8 sec ? mmm

[balmy condor]

Yeah it looks awful

[shadow helm]

WAT NEW LEG GBOOD

[solar hare]

Calm down

[shadow helm]

sad

where rogue raid buff

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t need a buff

Sub got buffed

[solid shale]

feint increased by 1 second

lol

[shadow helm]

where my raid crit buff

[balmy condor]

Heirmir

[solid shale]

Shuriken Storm (Rank 2) now also increases Shuriken Storm’s chance to critically strike by 15%.

lmao what are these sub aoe buffs

[stoic needle]

#subtlety

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[solar hare]

Whispyr you gonna have fun with sims or not yet

Tbd?

[stoic needle]

That one looks like a 15% crit buff to shuriken storm

[balmy condor]

We don’t have sims yet

[stoic needle]

[dark crag]

Make shift buffs for the sake of it

[solar hare]

Well obviously

[shadow helm]

should the venth leg make it 1% vers per lash

or just fuckin 1% buff

[balmy condor]

Even if we had sims

I wouldn’t sim yet

[stoic needle]

I mean Sub's aoe is dogshit so

Its not just a makeshift buff

[balmy condor]

Sub’s aoe might not be bad anymore tho

[shy dust]

I mean

[balmy condor]

At least not in actual aoe

[shy dust]

sub got large aoe buffs

[balmy condor]

The cleave is shít

But the aoe looking good

[stoic needle]

Good

[low girder]

was def an area it struggled

[stoic needle]

You love to see it

[solar hare]

I still think a master buff or somethign wouldve been better but this is also the sin channel

[fleet anchor]

Speak for yourself!

[balmy condor]

:P

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

But I agree with the second part

[balmy condor]

I know you have secrets koji

[fleet anchor]

Hard to draw many conclusions here

[solar hare]

Yeah i bet

[balmy condor]

But I’m gonna pretend like they don’t exist

[fleet anchor]

Other than Sub is buffed very considerably to be almost Assassination ST damage

And NF legendary is trash

And Necro legendary is good for AoE

[low girder]

we did it

[stoic needle]

[fleet anchor]

But we knew that already

[balmy condor]

Yeah

All known things

[solar hare]

Necro lege for outlaw seems

A bit strong

[fleet anchor]

Venthyr legendary is buggy af so who knows

[honest breach]

why is nf that bad ?

[fleet anchor]

Because it doesn't do anything

[solid shale]

its just not better than any other leggo

[fleet anchor]

Like it's barely 200 DPS

It's not even remotely competitive as a legendary atm

[solar hare]

Oh so better than any sub legendary?

[shadow helm]

rip venth hunters bros

[stoic needle]

Make sepsis vanish again blizzard you absolute cowards

[short hamlet]

It's 8 seconds of your 2-3 min cd once every 1.5 mins

[shadow helm]

f in thechat

[low girder]

if the venthyr leggo ends up being good for sub

[solar hare]

I gotta make a second rogue

Need a venthy boy

[fleet anchor]

But yeah like Sub is gaining at least like 500 DPS by the looks of it

[solar hare]

Damn

[low girder]

we got another cttc boys and girls

[fleet anchor]

Up to 7.2k or something at least

Maybe some more to find there

[stoic needle]

[low girder]

cleave still shit though

[fleet anchor]

But Assassination still looks a bit stronger

[last cedar]

fuu made a good point, the buff to backstab is kind of funny

since we're trying to not backstab as much as possible

[solar hare]

I feel like sub sustained 5-8 target aoe is gonna be

Quite good

[last cedar]

but the aoe buffs are nice

[fleet anchor]

Unless the Venthyr leggo ends up staying a buggy pile, it's really doubtful it beats Doomblade

[floral shoal]

Y'all are fotm rerollers, I chose Venthyr right at the start of Shadowlands ;p

[last cedar]

@floral shoal same lmao

swapped to NF with like 24 renown in it

[balmy condor]

We’re necro tho

[low girder]

i doubt it'll beat doomblade also

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

7.2k for sub, you sure?

[solar hare]

So did i, then swapped after 2 weeks

[shy dust]

the combo point buff

[shadow helm]

you said you hate necro

[shy dust]

is nuts fuu

[short hamlet]

This is me

[shy dust]

it swimming in cp

[low girder]

stech buff is fucking enormous

i knew it

[solar hare]

Did i miss something?

[balmy condor]

Shadow tech buff seems really good

[last cedar]

if necro mog wasn't so trash maybe i'd like them more

[solar hare]

There was a shadtech buff?

[low girder]

stech procs on 3/4 instead of 4/5

[shy dust]

yes

[low girder]

it's in the ptr notes

[solar hare]

[low girder]

sorta

they just said "more frequently" lol

[vestal wren]

wonder if the sht buff makes haste more valuable

[solar hare]

I see

Great assassination talk btw

[low girder]

[solar hare]

Were taking over

[fallow otter]

Take it over to sub channel

[low girder]

am curious how high the venthyr one gets though

[fallow otter]

Lol

[short hamlet]

Assassination is just code for "temporarily displaced sub rogues (temporarily being 3+ years"

[low girder]

if it'll sync with vendetta

[stoic needle]

The only problem with this sub buff is that I don't know what specs to play now anymore

[low girder]

even if it won't beat doomblade

[stoic needle]

I like sub and sin

[short hamlet]

Enjoy both

[solid shale]

sub is probably still not better than assassin

[last cedar]

i like combat

[stoic needle]

[short hamlet]

Got bad news for you about this expansion called legion

[balmy condor]

Outlaw is a garbage spec

[solar hare]

You cant make fun of me being orange anymore

[stoic needle]

I mean yes but also yes

[balmy condor]

No I can make fun of you being a stupid duck though

[solar hare]

Hey

My ducky

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

I'm mad I crafted my celerity up to lvl 4 just for my RL to tell me to play sin on slg

Could've made duskwalkers with that ash

[fleet anchor]

Problem is CDR is bad until it's good

We'll have to wait to see how it works to know

A bit of CDR that doesn't help with syncing when we are already delaying to sync really accomplishes nothing

If it helps with syncing then it'll potentially be good

Right now it's far too buggy to really understand the intent though

[low girder]

yeah

[fallen fable]

Whats CDR

[low girder]

cooldown reduction

[gusty mirage]

hmm 9.1 is looking more and more intriguing

[shadow helm]

why whispy necro bros

[gusty mirage]

whispyr you switched stinky boys? Now you can /laugh at me in the Seat of the Primus instead of sinfall

[low girder]

Better in keys

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Me stinky cause keys

[gusty mirage]

stinky is fun as hell in keys tbh

[wide stone]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fleet anchor]

I mean yes and no. There’s a very real possibility nothing notable changes at all tbh.

[stoic needle]

Deathspike+ heirmir mastery

My deathspike is gonna be crit mastery that's for damn sure

[fleet anchor]

Largely we are just gonna be doing Doomblade with the same builds as now for most content and Assassination is likely still gonna be the best raiding spec so.

Chances are nothing major changes from 9.0.5 despite all the activity

Unless something unexpected appears

[stoic needle]

I think if sub rises from the dumpster into viability I think that's good enough even if sin remains 'best'

[fleet anchor]

You’ll slot in your new potency conduit and be really excited for 10 minutes and then realize it’s all the same because it’s just passive anyway. 🤣

Happy to see Sub get buffs

But realistically people will still play Assassination if they are close

[limber lion]

Yeh, glad to see Sub seeing love.

[fleet anchor]

Assassination is just more flexible

[stoic needle]

The domination gems and maw touched weapons seem interesting

[limber lion]

Not the love I was looking for, but definitely good stuff.

[fleet anchor]

Good for Sub players but doesn’t change the meta much

Sub needs a solution to having awful cleave to really stand with the other two specs for flexibility

Assassination only weakness is really just having to spec into AoE

But CT is getting close enough in ST that it’s not even that bad

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure.

Sub needs Sweeping Strikes or something

It's just awful on 2-3t

Especially 2t.

[stoic needle]

Personally I'd prefer that they don't fix that and boost it's ST or burst windows instead so that each spec has some bitches t niches

[limber lion]

Each spec has some bitches?

[stoic needle]

I don't like the idea of both specs being good in the same areas

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

Autocorrect

[gusty mirage]

where do I sign up for my bitches?

[drifting imp]

Lmao

[limber lion]

#transmog

[dire cairn]

Why can't all specs be good in all areas? I die a little inside when I see our monk hitting 40k on trash just spinning

[low girder]

Yeah the niche thing is important. If sub is close it can be better on some fights. I imagine if sub wasn't 500+ dps behind sin right now it would be the better spec on sludgefist. Even if they had roughly the same ST normally

[stoic needle]

Because that's boring and then gives you even less choice overall as to what spec to play

[fallow otter]

There is a bit more to it than spinning, but from the outside that's what it looks like

[stoic needle]

Inevitably one will be the best overall and you'll only play that one

With niches you have reasons to play every spec

[dire cairn]

Respectfully disagree, with strong niches you have to swap specs

[stoic needle]

That's not a bad thing

[indigo mulch]

I mean the new leggo, is what 20ish cdr outside of bloodlust. 😐

Venthyr one that is

[stoic needle]

Especially on a class with 3 dps specs

[dire cairn]

disagree again, it doesn't feel good to play a spec suboptimally just because its better anyway in a certain scenario - considering covenants and now potentially covenant specific legendaries as well

[fallow otter]

Also, ww St can't compete with sin St. It makes sense that ww can do more aoe

[stoic needle]

Swapping to whichever spec fits the encounter's design the best is the best possible scenario rather then playing the one that ends up being the best overall because of tuning

[indigo mulch]

I mean to be fair, sins AoE is pretty dope with 16+ targets 😄 but thats about it :c

[stoic needle]

That's boring as shit

[low girder]

You can see it best on sire

They get completely dumpstered on boss dmg

Even though they're decently up the meter

[indigo mulch]

Sire is a horrible fight to messure any form of damage though.

Only p3 that matters :X

[stoic needle]

I mean these specs aren't that hard to play. I don't really think playing a spec suboptimally is anyone's fault but your own

[fallow otter]

That's just not true, it's the only phase that matters when you can do the rest of the fight

[dire cairn]

missing the point a bit - I mean how you can't swap into the best setup with covenants, soulbinds and conduits freely between two specs

[indigo mulch]

I mean p1 and p2 is pretty chill lolo

[stoic needle]

You don't need to do that to gain the benefit of playing the different specs though

[dire cairn]

but then you are playing it suboptimally

[stoic needle]

So?

[sick scarab]

my dream they buff septic shock counduit

[low girder]

And no amount of swapping around will ever get a ww to do sin ST dmg

[stoic needle]

If the niches are defined it's still a good decision overall even if it isn't perfectly optimal, the differences between covenants aren't large enough for it to matter

[fallow otter]

He's arguing that all the rogue specs should do the same St and aoe

[limber lion]

Everyone has their preferences. If I had the choice, I would only play Assa on everything. But it's awful on SLG, so I have to switch to Outlaw. Some people think that's fine as they have their own strengths, some people are sad because they don't want to play Outlaw.

[dire cairn]

this is basically it

[limber lion]

Having to choose between playing a spec that you don't like versus the bench

[dire cairn]

why can't assa be a little stronger in aoe so I don't feel like I'm gimping my m+ group

[stoic needle]

But you aren't?

[fallow otter]

Lol

[heavy trail]

i got a shadowgrasp totem not an iQD ? yikes run 42

[low girder]

That one might be a bad example lol

[limber lion]

Assa slaps in aoe.

[indigo mulch]

I actually put 1 of my rogues on assassination when we progressed on SLG. It helped with pushing phases and Goliath's. Sin isent THAT bad its what your group may need.

[stoic needle]

There's definitely a middle ground that can be had where you can gain a benefit by swapping specs but not be inting by playing the spec you prefer

[heavy trail]

I never sawa shadowgrasp in 40+ runs and i get that ugh lol

[stoic needle]

Especially if you're not doing world first level raiding

[indigo mulch]

In the end both rogues were Outlaw though, but it really did help when progressing.

[stoic needle]

Like sub and sin can be a perfect example of this, make Sub's burst windows giga but leave their cleave slightly behind sin's

[heavy trail]

Shadowgrasp seems like it's decent but not nearly as good as IQD i guess

[low girder]

Slightly

[stoic needle]

Push has done over 7k+ dps on huntsman with current sub

While sin usually does 8k+ or whatever

[indigo mulch]

There are always 1 unicorn with perfect rng.

[sick scarab]

assa is OK.. stop this midnset.. tell that to ryfie etc.. assa is perfectly fine and you are not gimping anyone stop the meta slavery

[low girder]

The top sin did 10k on huntsman

But I get your point

[stoic needle]

Push is not a unicorn with perfect rng he's just a really good player

[low girder]

PI is part of that too

[elfin valley]

heading into my first night of M denathrius prog tomorrow does anyone have any tips/info that could be helpful for sin

[indigo mulch]

Don't step on your ranged.

[stoic needle]

The main point is that the difference between sub and sin in huntsman literally only matters to people doing world first raiding

U're not going to be unable to down a mythic boss just because your 2t cleave is worse than one of the other specs ESPECIALLY if you excel in a different area

And if the choice is between spec swapping and being benched, well. I think that's more of an issue with your raid culture than blizzard's balancing unless it's some extreme example

[compact pumice]

But Outlaw does beat Assa with like 1k in Dungeon Slice. This is more than a significant difference tbh. It doesn’t make assa trash but compared you can say it’s far enough behind. Assassin would be a good choice anyway if it brought something more controlly, like garrote silencing all the time (though this is probably too good)

[low girder]

I benched myself for a 5th healer on huntsman lol

Someone had to do it

[heavy trail]

is shadwograsp a totem that sim well but in practical use kinda sucks or am i missing something?

[fallow otter]

And... When you are a prog raider you would just switch not have a war between rogue specs.

[low girder]

And I had no outlaw weapon

[stoic needle]

It beats it in dungeon slice sims, but many top m+ players say that sin does similar damage to outlaw in actual keys at this point

[sick scarab]

tbh stop looking to number like that 1k behind etc.. totally useless mindset..

[fallow otter]

It scales with haste if that helps you play its usage better

[compact pumice]

Shadowgrasp is very good though

[indigo mulch]

Sin does more aoe damage then outlaw when there is mass pulls that survives longer than 10s.

[heavy trail]

Alright wondering if i should valor this one up and stop farming IQD and focus on the plageful one more lol

[compact pumice]

From personal experience the damage is very similar yeah, but I just chalked that up to me not playing optimally one way or the other

[low girder]

Phial is worth more than iqd

[indigo mulch]

Phial is disgustingly good -.-

[dim rampart]

Players who say assa does less damage just don't know how to play the spec...

[indigo mulch]

??

[sick scarab]

exactly.. it is the playstile

[sick scarab]

agree 100%

[stoic needle]

Like Seliathan, one of the best m+ rogues period, does similar overall with both specs

[fallow otter]

I bet the reason sin rogue go outlaw on SLG is because getting rup and gar on skirmishers that jump around like clown is just a straight up pain in the ass

[heavy trail]

so a phial / shadowgrasp como is pretty good then...

[compact pumice]

Using Sims to make decisions is usually better than the opposite. It’s hard to make a compelling argument for feelcrafting being a good choice

[obtuse ruin]

do you guys think majority of the top rogues play whatever spec does best damage or outlaw because of an extra gouge?

[stoic needle]

Sims are a tool to give you data. It's up to you to evaluate that data against the reality of the game that you play and make decisions accordingly

[compact pumice]

Damage is a very small part of the rogue contribution tbh

[sick scarab]

lol keep doing that

[stoic needle]

They play it because of acrobatic strikes tbh

[fallow otter]

Attack range and gouge is big

[indigo mulch]

No, you go outlaw because its better there. As i said before, assassination is okay when you progress and trying to get into new phases, but as soon as people are used to the fight then you might aswell go outlaw because overall they do more damage

[stoic needle]

I think at this point sin vs outlaw on slg depends on your raid's comp

[heavy trail]

Unless someone is going to pay me to play wow I will pick ass since it's the spec I enjoy and do pretty well on 🙂

[dim rampart]

and damage profile can be better depending on the composition of the group as outlaw

[obtuse ruin]

if attack range was really the issue people cant play melee at all like WW and havoc lol...

[fallow otter]

Yeh, I mean more that sin is fine for slg it's just annoying

[compact pumice]

All teams swapping out their WWs for rogues though

[stoic needle]

Like my raid has 2 WWs, 2 hunters and 2 mages, me playing outlaw does absolutely nothing to make the fight cleaner, but as sin I can obliterate the Goliaths and help us get better timings for their abilities

[stoic needle]

They can, but having the extra yards makes it easier to avoid mechanics that will literally one shot you and that means you can pull bigger and perform more consistently overall

[low girder]

It's basically just do you have enough dmg for the skirms. Because you're not gonna do shit to the commandos

[indigo mulch]

I mean i told one of our rogues to go assassination during progress and it really helped with pushing goliath and boss damage.

[fallow otter]

Yeh this, half way through one of our pulls last night I was sitting on 16k dps. There is nothing for an outlaw to cleave here haha

[low girder]

If yes, play sin

If not, play outlaw

[floral shoal]

The thing with outlaw is that whenever you are not actively on some mob hitting it, the damage you lose is lost forever due to not getting the cd reductions from spending cp. Less severe for assa, just pool some energy for a second and do mechanics. Probably bigger problem the worse player you are, I for one do better with assa since 9.05 buffs (only play up to +17 now), also assa is more fun imo.

[obtuse ruin]

waht I mean is if Assa does more damage than outlaw then the attack range wont really matter tbh...

[fallow otter]

And we wipe to something dumb!

Lol

[stoic needle]

This is not true. Damage is not what times high keys, not dying is

[indigo mulch]

I mean, in m+ outlaw is just there to trix and control mobs 😄

[obtuse ruin]

whats the point of more melee range then

[indigo mulch]

Fire mages does all the damage

[fallow otter]

Lol what

[stoic needle]

Exactly, like we have 2 WWs doing 10k+, fire mages doing 8k and hunters doing 7. What am I gonna do? Killing spree?

[stoic needle]

Not... Dying...???

Acrobatic strikes is 3 more yards to dodge frontals with when you pull literally half the instance at once

[obtuse ruin]

I dont get it you guys make it sound like every other melee just dies

[stoic needle]

Dude have you ever done a high key before

If you get hit by anything

You are dead

[hollow escarp]

uhm

[obtuse ruin]

thats exactly my point lol I do high enough keys where I can dodge the mechanics without that extra range buff...

[fallow otter]

Don't forget the ultimate combo, gouge gets acrobatic strikes lol

[stoic needle]

The more range you have, the riskier pulls your group can do without you having a chance of dying

[fallow otter]

Give us some context

[stoic needle]

Which leads to a faster overall key

[obtuse ruin]

what I mean is if hypothetically you do all the mechanics right, any melee that does more damage is preferred over the other right?

[hollow escarp]

then outlaw wouldn't be meta

if that was the case

[fallow otter]

I meant, what level are your high enough keys

[stoic needle]

It's not about hypothetically perfect play, it's about planning for the worst possible scenarios

[obtuse ruin]

why wouldnt it? Outlaw does best m+ damage among rogue specs

im rn around 19-21s

[stoic needle]

Sin does equal damage now if not better in some dungeons though so that's not really true

[hollow escarp]

why not bring a monk instead of outlaw then?

[compact pumice]

It’s not about the hypothetical best case where every run goes perfect. It’s about the amount of runs that go well compared to bad. More tools help you perform in more runs

[hollow escarp]

or warrior, or havoc?

[obtuse ruin]

also why im saying is, if assa is clearly above outlaw in dps for aoe and ST no point sticking to outlaw just because it has melee range

[indigo mulch]

Monks don't have the same control as outlaw does.

RoP isent enough

[obtuse ruin]

we are talking about assa vs outlaw lol

[compact pumice]

But I mean the comparison is there

[fallow otter]

I mean if you don't see the value in having extra range on your kick etc and having gouge, then I don't now what to tell you

[compact pumice]

If dying wasn’t a problem then WW, Havoc etc would take every rogue’s spot

[stoic needle]

I mean I think everyone here agrees that you can run high keys as sin but the reason why people go for outlaw is because of the utility that it has and the tools for dealing with crazy shit situations

[hollow escarp]

well, I also play sin in keys, but I can acknowledge the value of outlaw over sin

[fallow otter]

You take that back

[elfin valley]

also having burst on outlaw is helpful over sin ive found in certain scenarios

[fathom swift]

hello, does anyone know the bonus ids for the new covenant legendaries?

[fallow otter]

I miss the range on kick, constantly

[indigo mulch]

Sins aoe is higher on Mass pulls that last awhile like DoS on Fairy part.

[compact pumice]

Aoe burst? Because Sin sure does more burst than OL on ST

[warm parcel]

wowhead has all the ids you want

but thats pointless as the items would have to be implemented

[elfin valley]

AoE yes st ofc sin wins that

[fathom swift]

they are implemented in simc, or at least initial implementation is

[compact pumice]

And yeah Sin can do some crazy sustained AOE on multi targets.

[warm parcel]

youre right

then wowhead should give you the ids

[hollow escarp]

if you play numbing poison, you can even out-dps the fire mage in big pulls

[indigo mulch]

No.

😄

[warm parcel]

alternatively https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/shadowlands/engine/dbc/generated/item_runeforge_ptr.inc
might have them @fathom swift

[indigo mulch]

I mean if he forgets where his flamestrike button is then yeah :>

[hollow escarp]

was thinking more of situations where they hardcast it

and tank moves mobs out

happens so often it's so funny

[indigo mulch]

But you don't do big pulls without combust =c

[compact pumice]

It’s so fun

[indigo mulch]

Not in a non-pug group atleast lol

[hollow escarp]

ofc

was memeing a bit

[compact pumice]

Our mage complains about this damn flame patch position every run, especially this week

[hollow escarp]

but pugs have it all

[compact pumice]

[fathom swift]

yeah thats where i usually looked and just assumed they wouldnt be there yet but they are

[fallow otter]

Fire mage has massive dmg obv but they also bring other things to the table like db

[fathom swift]

ty

[fallow otter]

It's not all about dmg

But it is mainly damage haha

[indigo mulch]

In mages case it is all about damage. D: DB is just iceing on the cake.

Tbh

[hollow escarp]

idk, if it was only damage, I could see ele shaman taking that spot

[fallow otter]

Frost will be the best m plus spec soon probably

[compact pumice]

Well, yes and no, it’s not just damage but Insane aoe burst that allows for huge pulls

[fallow otter]

They might not get a spot

No db

Should be interesting what pops up

[indigo mulch]

Nah, ele shamans dps goes down to much when mobs are moving around. Tanks arent tanky enough to tank big pulls so they have to kite it around. Thats why ele's dps is meh compared to mages.

If everything was standing still clumped up then yeah maybe D:

[fallow otter]

Don't @ me if it's ww the new fire mages bois

[compact pumice]

Frost doesn’t have uncapped aoe. Frost also has a problem with moving out of blizzard, same as fire

[fallow otter]

Lol

[indigo mulch]

Even with the nerfs fire is still prob going to be the best aoe for m+. They need to cap flamepatch lol

[fallow otter]

Can funnel hard though right? Zul style bosses?

[compact pumice]

I don’t know. But 9.1 brings fire mage nerfs so we’ll see

Yeah frost is not bad at all

We found that it was more about which dungeon for our mage

Some did better than fire some way worse

But he went back now from that experiment

[fallow otter]

Andy was calling for brain to db the other night in mists

Sorry frost

[stoic needle]

The new m+ affix will change everything I bet

[low girder]

Here's infested again, we know you guys loved it

[solar hare]

The new m+ affix is dumb

[fallow otter]

Bring back reaping

[stoic needle]

Wdym

[solar hare]

Its dumb

Is what i mean

[low girder]

Reaping would be less fun now that we're capped

[solar hare]

Did you not see it?

[fallow otter]

Description overload

[solar hare]

It was leaked on ptr like a month ago

Or on tourney realm rather

Hold on i have a link somewhere

[low girder]

I only saw the raider.io April fools

[fallow otter]

Rick roll inc

[solar hare]

https://raider.io/news/205-exclusive-news-patch-9.1-seasonal-affix-discovered

There

[fallow otter]

Hahahaha

[solar hare]

[stoic needle]

[fallow otter]

[low girder]

[solar hare]

Fuck it says april fools in the url now

Reeee

Well

Tried

Tbh i kinda liked that

[low girder]

Is it bad that when I read that originally I didn't think it was too far out of left field

[fallow otter]

I lold @ work, people looked

[solar hare]

Before it was april fools

[solar hare]

Same

[low girder]

This is the company that made infested and beguiling

After all

[solar hare]

Truth

[stoic needle]

I'd be surprised if it doesn't involve chains or a debuff of some kind

[solar hare]

I really want

[fallow otter]

Confirmed dumb affix

[solar hare]

Another beneficial seasonal affix

Like pride is good cuz haste buff

I really like that

[low girder]

If the meta wasn't to skip most of them

[fallow otter]

Haste buff

[low girder]

I think I'd put it on par with awakened

[solar hare]

Ya

[stoic needle]

Random anima powers drop from mobs

[solar hare]

Ok you need to chill out

[low girder]

But only one when it drops

[stoic needle]

Imagine getting unceasing chain link

[low girder]

Free for all

[stoic needle]

In a key

[fallow otter]

If I can use corrosive dosage In a key holyyy

[stoic needle]

The garottes

[solar hare]

Oh no

Pls dont

Monk torghast is

[floral shoal]

That imprisoned was a fun read but if I ever have to click some shit constantly in a dungeon I might take the season off....

[solar hare]

So broken

[low girder]

That was the first one I thought of when they put out the terragrue

I was like oh fuck here comes a monk parse with corrosive

They didn't go that way

[summer socket]

what are people thinking about the new venthyr lego? seems pretty strong..

[stoic needle]

Seems like it will be a dps increase of some amount

[fallow otter]

Would you use it if you couldnt use venth transmog

[stoic needle]

Calm down satan

[fallow otter]

Lol

[sand gyro]

Necrolord legendary sounds OP for aoe

[low girder]

It is

At least for outlaw

Prolly getting nerfed for them if not overall

[solar hare]

Ya its blatantly overpowered for outlaw

Most likely gonna get nerfed

[stoic needle]

It's gonna be huge for sin too

But not as broken

We'll legit just spam sbs and ruptures all day

I love it

[fallow otter]

I'd be shocked if outlaw doesn't actually just confirm its m plus slot

In 9.1

[low girder]

Sub rising 📈

[fallow otter]

Over a tier they usually just become more and more bis

[low girder]

Jk I doubt it'll become meta in keys lol

[solar hare]

Gimme beta sub back where you brought 2 of them to keys

[fallow otter]

Remember when we got another ring of Azerite, outlaw was so busted it was glorious

[low girder]

Unnerfed wits

[fallow otter]

Yup

Just in time for orgazoa prog

Or whatever that boss was called

[limber lion]

flying tentacle ball

[low girder]

Tank destroyer

We had a prot warr

[fallow otter]

Trooo

[low girder]

And he forgot to hit last stand

On pull

Insta one shot

[fallow otter]

Just pain sup on pull 4head

[fallow otter]

This got all tanks at least once haha

[low girder]

Funniest shit

You can't take a pull seriously after that

You just wipe

[fallow otter]

Running down the bottom

Was fun just going for the launch on farm

Oops stunned in the air

[low girder]

Lmao

[fallow otter]

Did you do the achievement

Taking the egg down the bottom?

Lol af

[low girder]

We did it in nyalotha i think

Went back and did a bunch of raid metas

[whole mason]

shadowgrasp requires haste to shine. 20k on average for 226.

[heavy trail]

20k? or 20%?

[rare belfry]

I wonder if rogues can use sylvanas bow too

[low girder]

Rogues can use bows, yeah. But you can't use any of your abilities with them.

[sand gyro]

Got Huntsman Mythic down for first time yesterday, I switched to EP but stayed in MA and PB, should I use full aoe build with Subterfuge and CT on Huntsman? Just basically experimenting and seeing what works

[low girder]

So not something we'll be doing

[rare belfry]

But new bow adds ability

Instead of change killshot

[low girder]

Sure but that's only one ability

You wouldn't be able to do almost anything else

[rare belfry]

Yes but Macro bow for this aoe seems good if it works

[low girder]

Sounds like something they'll probably change if it does lol

[fallow otter]

If you think that's gonna become a thing, you're bat shit crazy

[rare belfry]

Fun detected

Fun deleted

I can see all the hunter selling bows

[snow breach]

What if you have bow, pre cast it and then switch weapons

Assuming classes other than hunter can use wailing arrow ofc

[low girder]

If it just gives the ability without doing a class check it would work

But I expect they'll just class lock the bow

If that happens

[hollow escarp]

EP, Subt and even CT might be better for Huntsman, but we still do good damage with single target build on that boss

as long as we keep bleeds up

on all targets

[sand gyro]

Fair enough, when it's on farm I might play around and see what gets a better parse

Is it okay to do 2-3 CP ruptures on the shades seeing as they die fast anyway?

[hollow escarp]

ngl, I barely touch them in my previous kills, they usually melt so I don't bother dotting

but it depends on the group

you can wipe to dogs

really easy

[bleak sun]

Any regards of New venthyr rogue legendary ?

[compact pumice]

Yeah, maybe a weak envenom, but tbh it feels less of a waste using mutilate and pooling then spending CP on the boss/dog

[heavy trail]

how rare is this phial anyway i hope it's not too bad lol

[sand gyro]

Been trying to get it since hitting 60 on my rogue, hit 60 on my DH on Sunday and got it on my first M0 run :(

[heavy trail]

44 DOS, 17 PF so far and only got a shadowgrasp so far, seen about 6-7 IQDs that went to others

One of the issues with IQD is there's such a massive loot table in DOS for us

[sand gyro]

I managed to get an IQD, got that at 213 ilvl

[heavy trail]

well the shadowgrasp is OK might upgrade it and try to "forget" DOS for a bit haha...

[sand gyro]

M+ is horrible this week, will probably only do one 15

[winter gale]

Is it ok enough to go EP+Vigor over BS+DS for Sire Denathrius progress/kill?

[heavy trail]

it's horrible even at 10 and below since so many tards don't control their AOE or even know what a priority target is even if you tell them... I get back sometimes stuff like "STFU scrub, I'm top dps" and then the empowered add one shots the tank lol

[winter gale]

I feel like its a bit better no matter whats sims best for me but I have not seen P3 yet.

And one ‘oftherecord’ question...how difficult PF 14 and above is this week? 😂

[runic sequoia]

What is considered "decent" haste for assa rogue?

[native lynx]

125%

[obtuse ruin]

Are they integrating raider io into the game with 9.1?

[winter gale]

I heard that, y

How will they update that part, by constant updates on client or? If it will be automated great.

[low girder]

dunno, isn't on ptr yet

they haven't done an official announcement yet

only the raider.io partnership

[lavish grove]

shadowcore oil on both weapons? Or sharpening on one?

[low girder]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[winter gale]

Wait wait

Im using sharpening on both since forver actually

I need to resim I guess

[shy dust]

Sharpening stone is usually bis

[low girder]

double sharpening is generally the play on more than ST

[shy dust]

I don’t think oil has ever simmed higher

Even with phantom fire

[low girder]

it does for me but very marginally

[shy dust]

For me at least*

[low girder]

and is inconsistent af

so i don't run it

[winter gale]

Good, as long as its not some big thing to smash head against the wall*

[lavish grove]

do you then agi pot or still phantom with double sharpening?

[low girder]

agi pot should win generally

if you're not using oil

they're all very close though

[hoary night]

i use 2x stone + agi pot

phantom fire proc is unreliable for me

[lavish grove]

ok simmed +3 dps with fire feast oil/stone 😆

I'll just keep it simple with stone/stone agi

for now

[marsh zinc]

Hey guys is necrolord viable for sin rogues? Honestly I'm doing more m+ but I don't like outlaw 😄 I'm still at low renown so switching to venth wouldn't be a problem

[low girder]

Very viable. Best in keys. Second best in ST.

[marsh zinc]

Oh cool I didn't know that 😄 I'll stick with necro then, thanks 🙂

[agile geode]

really viable

dw

got the same struggle

go necro without problem if you like to do m+ and raid as assassination

hopin it will remain viable aswell even in 9.1

[dawn quail]

is venhyr a big downgrade in m+?

[agile geode]

for outlaw a bit y

[marsh zinc]

I like the playstyle tbh, makes it a lot more smooth

[agile geode]

but not that much

for assa is good

[dawn quail]

sorry i meant for assa, im mostly planning to raid with assa and i find flag to be very fun to play with. so ill stick with venthyr was just wondering how big the gap between NL and venthyr is. (my main is NL so dont want another one)

my m+ team wont ever let me swap to rogue anyway as my main (ele shaman) is a big blaster in M+

[agile geode]

i think as a rogue assa you can decide wich covenant play

[dawn quail]

nice

[agile geode]

and venthyr is absolutly fine in m+

for assa

[dawn quail]

good to have choice, i find outlaw not interesting at all

and assa feels amazing to play even at lower ilvl

[compact pumice]

Its like maybe 100 dps more in ST and 200 dps less in aoe as Venthyr, low enough impact to not really matter more than how you play it.

Not exact numbers since it all depends on fight and gear but

The sentiment is the same

[dawn quail]

understandably so, but TL;DR pick what you want unless you want to be top 0.1% since its both viable

[summer socket]

in m+ as venthyr what soulbinds / conduits am i running?

[hollow escarp]

theotar with wasteland

and probably lashing scars conduit

[summer socket]

thanks!

[marsh zinc]

What about necrolord? 😄

Heirmir with only sudden fractures?

[hollow escarp]

I've seen that's what people use

along with gemstone

[marsh zinc]

Ah yep thanks!

[heavy trail]

M+ definitely more fun as NL than V that's for sure

[fathom swift]

night fae legendary is super broken in sims lmao

triggering vendetta off every blindside proc

none of them seem that good tho 😦

[hollow escarp]

is that because it can't differentiate between stealth ambush and blindside one?

[compact pumice]

If that would go live I don't think you would ever spec out of blindside

[hollow escarp]

imagine if it triggered from garrote as well

[sick scarab]

si during sepsis each blindside stack 8 sec vendetta =?

[fathom swift]

no i mean it's how it works in sims not in game

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but imagine if that was in game

[compact pumice]

These are just the buffs Assass need tbh!

[hollow escarp]

[sick scarab]

that is nice

[hollow escarp]

it would be broken

and triggering

in cleave/m+

[sick scarab]

i also pray for a spetic shock conduit buff

[hollow escarp]

yeah, as venthyr and necro you play the covenant conduit

but as nf mostly WPS

[compact pumice]

"Sepsis now also gives you 10% haste for 15 seconds"

Would be nice

or if haste is Venthyr's flavor maybe Crit

[hollow escarp]

idk, NF seems like a mastery covenant

but then we have Korayn

[heavy trail]

nice had a 145 DF and did that WQ today and ching, 200 one lol

[queen herald]

Okay guys i need your big brains

[sick scarab]

exaclty

[queen herald]

i need to convince my rl that assa is bis next tier

so we trying ptr tonight and i already was first on last week

[hollow escarp]

too early for that

[queen herald]

is the new venthyr leggo

the go to ?

[hollow escarp]

[queen herald]

like i feel like its super strong

[sick scarab]

also as night fae i will prefere to have Nya poisons to be better than passive burrs..

more risk more reward

instead a passive thing

[queen herald]

but i feel like playing without gloomblade sound clunky af

[hollow escarp]

the venthyr legendary looks a bit bugged as well

[queen herald]

couldnt try it yet since "world servers are down"

It reset cooldown only during the debuff on the target right?

not the during both the dot and buff right

[hollow escarp]

not sure how it's supposed to work

if it works like it does on PTR

[queen herald]

coz if its both

[hollow escarp]

oh boy

[queen herald]

its beyond broken

infinite venthyr spamming

How does it work on ptr btw?

[hollow escarp]

I mean, you don't really need to convince that rogue is bis

because it isn't

but it's still a solid class

[queen herald]

who knows

maybe there is some soaks to do

that deals 1M damage

that you can solo

[hollow river]

How much haste/stat weights in genera should I shoot for before going deeper strat

Good morning everyone btw

[hollow escarp]

only sims can tell

[queen herald]

raidbots mate

[hollow escarp]

it's different from each character

and what covenant you have

[hollow river]

Ah I just want it to feel good

[hollow escarp]

oh well

that's assa 😄

[queen herald]

well i only play deeper on pure single target and i have around 650 haste i believe

[hollow escarp]

slow chunky spec

[hollow river]

D:

[queen herald]

[hollow river]

I’m necro atm

[queen herald]

wy

💀 < 🧛🏻

[hollow escarp]

debatable

[hollow river]

I like m+

[queen herald]

yeah but use ur brain for once man

does m+ logs

matters?

no

does raid one matters

yes

[hollow escarp]

[queen herald]

big brain here 🙂

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure fun > logs

[queen herald]

Logs > food/water

[hollow river]

Yeah and doing more dam for my team so we can push

Lmao

I’m #1/#2 in hc raid atm and I suck tbh

[hollow escarp]

there are quite a few big logs on SLG/Sire as necro

[hollow river]

My logs suck tho

[fathom swift]

you only get cdr on it for combo points spent with the debuff up afaik

[hollow escarp]

on PTR you get CDR regardless

it might change

[fathom swift]

o really?

lemme test

[hollow escarp]

that's why people suspect it's bugged

[hollow river]

If we make it to mythic raid I might switch back to venth

[fathom swift]

yeah that's not how it was implemented in sims so thats why i assumed

[queen herald]

where do you see 9.1 sims ?

[fathom swift]

i ran them locally

[queen herald]

mad lad

[fathom swift]

ok ptr is crashing every 2 min i cba

[astral mirage]

can someone clarify aoe for me. outside of stealth - when it's a 5+ pull are you spamming just FOK (and tempest with the CP/when its about to drop off) or are you still dotting as many up as you can with garrote/rupture as well? (if so are you trying to hit 4/5 CP.) and on say 3-4 mobs are you still using crimson tempest? feel like there is room for more damage to be had from myself but no matter how i experiment i cannot drive it up. cceers

[plain thistle]

5+ targets you maintain CT and dot things that will live long enough, maintain CT on everyone and spam envenom on the prio target (if something needs to die faster)