assassination

[gusty mirage]

Wait until ya start pugging 18s-20s and you get 1800 io tanks that don’t stand in the range of the boss

[warped temple]

least u get into groups without being kicked for not being outlaw 😉

[strange python]

I would reee so hard

[gusty mirage]

And then yell at you for dying

[gusty mirage]

I’d pay good money to see someone boot you from a group sir

[strange python]

It took forever getting groups but eventually you’ll snag one

My start was to find groups with only one person in it

And just be patient for the group to fill

And try to do all 10s first then all 12s etc

[warped temple]

LOL

[strange python]

Then eventually you have a decent io

[warped temple]

best advice, bait a friend into playing a tank. once u have a decent tank, everyone will want to play with you

[gusty mirage]

My tank quit hence why I’m gearing my tank. Now I’ll never catch Ryfie

My rogue will forever be stuck at 1800 io

[warped temple]

hahhah yeah, it's rough for off meta classes/specs to pug

everyone just wants the same shit every key even if theyre doing 10s lol

[strange python]

Not a bad place to be that’s pretty good oxi

[warped temple]

could literally take 3 boomies and time 20s

oh well

[gusty mirage]

It’s pretty bad when you’re chasing the legendary ryfie

[strange python]

Did you hotkey convoke?

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

E z 2k io

[placid dawn]

just make your own group

[gusty mirage]

I simp assa rogues in m+ and I’m not even ashamed by it

[placid dawn]

i got ksm with my 208 rogue

best part is that i wasnt always the lowest dps :v

[bleak sun]

You can easily be first on boss +pride as assa

[gusty mirage]

SL made an assa legend start tanking. I’ll never forgive blizzard for that

[hollow escarp]

who?

[gusty mirage]

Morning

[warped temple]

oh morning plays still? thought he quit cause i havent seen him play/stream his rogue. sad times

[gusty mirage]

Yeah he’s a vdh now

[hollow escarp]

well

tanking is not bad

but it's usually a death sentence

for never playing dps ever again

[mossy sable]

Another DPS swallowed by the need for a tank?

[gusty mirage]

That and he hated outlaw and rogue in general didn’t look very good at the start of SL

We looked very mediocre

[polar cape]

Just brg back vengeance ez tank sortage fix

[mossy sable]

Fair

[shy dust]

Not for keys at least

For raid yeah

[mossy sable]

I think law did better in raid than it did last year no?

I mean at the start of SL who knew

[winter vapor]

my rogue is my 'alt' I tank guardian 90% of the time but being dps is a nice refresh :p

[shy dust]

Outlaw was definitely better this tier

Than almost all of bfa I’d say

Relative to raid

[mossy sable]

I had to try and learn Sin in BFA

[frail fossil]

yeah

[mossy sable]

Cause I mained outlaw but it was like

Yikes

[frail fossil]

i think that's def one of the best outlaw has been in raid compared to bfa

[mossy sable]

Well shit

Thanks for ruining it now

In 9.1 we will be dogshit

Jinxed it

[shy dust]

I mean

The thing is

[frail fossil]

?

[shy dust]

Outlaw was strong this tier

[daring brook]

@winter vapor should play boomy

[frail fossil]

the thing is assassination is a thing

[daring brook]

if you're guardian

[shy dust]

But it wasn’t a strong spec

[daring brook]

and smack ass

[final fossil]

What are the best dungeon trinkets to shoot for right now?

[frail fossil]

phial

[mossy sable]

No no I was making a joke lol, by you saying that Outlaw did good this tier you where jinxing it and now Outlaw will do bad

[frail fossil]

quantum

[shy dust]

Phial is a very good trinket

[winter vapor]

I recently converted to balance affinity for guardian, and I numbers are grea but I press convoke and switch back :p melee for life

[shy dust]

Iqd is also a good trinket

[frail fossil]

i mean outlaw did OK, it was good relative to rogue specs in 9.0

[shy dust]

^

[mossy sable]

True

[frail fossil]

and it's like middle of the tier

but nothing insane

[final fossil]

Does the poison damage from phial scale with mastery at all?

[frail fossil]

that made it stand out

[mossy sable]

Sin is doing good right

[shy dust]

Outlaw looked better on WCL

[balmy condor]

pins

[shy dust]

Than it actually was

[mossy sable]

Think it might look good for some of the other raids this expansion

Pure guessing really of course

As we have no clue what they will be like

[frail fossil]

like there is one fight where u would want outlaw over sub for 9.0 prog tbf

[final fossil]

Ah, ok

[frail fossil]

rest was mostly even and sub was obvously better on sludge etc

i still think outlaw ST is pretty ok atm tbf like it's a fine spec to main

even if ur main focus is raid

if u like it

but assa is just the superior rogue spec

atm

[mossy sable]

I am still learning Sin

I am kinda ass still

Like I know what I need to do

But I can't put it into practice

[shy dust]

Hmm I forget the command

[calm dome]

:)

[shy dust]

Pins has it though

If you scroll down

[balmy condor]

what command

[plain thistle]

its

!bis

[balmy condor]

[plain thistle]

guys, I think whyspyr isnt working properly

[bleak sky]

wait, I got it

Whispyr

SnD sucks and rupture is better

[balmy condor]

true

[bleak sky]

let's see if that resets him to factory mode

[balmy condor]

undoubtably

[bleak sky]

oh no he's still bugged

[mossy sable]

!TellMeHowToPlayMyClass

[stoic needle]

!scaling

[hollow escarp]

press w

[stoic needle]

!rupturesniping

[gusty mirage]

Just let the man play Path in peace

[dawn ivy]

!BiS

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

!statbreakpoints

[polar cape]

!whatcovenantin9.1guysss

[hollow escarp]

I guess it's safe to hold flag for vendetta now

[limber lion]

Ya'll fail to understand that Whispyr is not broken

That's just how he is.

He's not the sweet, kind, loving, cute animegirl that you know and love.

[lofty pendant]

Guys seriously where are the pins. Everyone says check the pins but I can't see them listed in the side tab or in this chat

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

it's that button

[grave dock]

top right

[stoic needle]

[warped temple]

LOL omg

[stoic needle]

[lofty pendant]

I don't have that button I just have the search and double person ones

[hollow escarp]

On mobile

swipe left

and tap pins

[lofty pendant]

I FOUND THE PINS AFTER 2 WEEKS HERE THANK YOU

[limber lion]

Next time

Just ask.

[thorny pond]

More brain dead for -5 DPS hmmm

[steep gust]

What's the recommended lego to go this week for keys?

[limber lion]

Zoldyck every week.

[steep gust]

oh

[limber lion]

EP/Vig also pulls ahead on multiple targets normally, so might as well.

[steep gust]

well... im noob

[limber lion]

Don't worry, that comes up quite often here.

[thorny pond]

Yea the gap has been closing each week. Finally just gonna do it

[limber lion]

MA is also fine to play.

[steep gust]

also, crimson or poison?

[limber lion]

Crimson Tempest also every week.

[gusty mirage]

In m+? Always CT

[steep gust]

ok i at least got that right

[limber lion]

[steep gust]

ty ty

[gusty mirage]

Don’t shit on yourself, everyone starts somewhere

🙂

[steep gust]

i just need 3 more for KSM 0_0

[limber lion]

Niice

[gusty mirage]

You got this

[steep gust]

🙂

[spice spire]

Exactly! We lift our fellow kings up, especially that Cev guy. He’s a true homie.

Everyone here is pretty great tbh.

[ocean drum]

like.. we all know assa isn't the top aoe/m+ spec, but: what's the overall dps you deal in m+ runs? my rogue's sadly only 211 but i feel like it's such an effort to deal acceptable dmg?

[thorny pond]

It get easier

I feel like 6.5k is my norm now with an average tank

[balmy condor]

6.5-7k

[ocean drum]

oh really 😮

[thorny pond]

better with a better one

[ocean drum]

playing CT & zoldyck/ma?

[thorny pond]

CT and doomblade but I don't have a good slot to replace it for zolds

[plain thistle]

that can change drastically with dungeons, tanks, how he pulls, affixes. The only example I have is mists +16, I did 7.5k overall with pug and 8k with guldies

[stoic needle]

Overall I think sin is just more effort to do good damage with in aoe situations compared to outlaw

[spice spire]

Yeah - it definitely gets easier as you get more gear and pull bigger packs - 211 should be closer to 5ish if you’re going hard

[ocean drum]

hmm.. maybe i should give it another try. i switched classes some time ago but actually always missing my rogue.. sub & assa are so fun, but ye.. sub's dead anyways :/

thanks guys!

btw: despite the class itself, it's always a pleasure to be in this discord. others are just.. ye, just not as structured 😄

[plain thistle]

we have a good bot, almost human, cutting edge technology

[balmy condor]

🤖

[solar hare]

[dapper yew]

Do you always want Flag right before u Rupture?

[balmy condor]

in your opener yes

in your normal rotation it doesn't matter if it's a rupture,env,ct,snd,etc

just as long as it's before a finisher

[spice spire]

Ahh yes, the catboy bot, Whispspspspspyr

[dapper yew]

do hold on to Vendetta to line up with Shiv

[limber lion]

no u

[limber lion]

You don't really need to hold either, but if you have to hold one, you hold Shiv for maximum of 12s.

[old depot]

I've been stacking haste Crit for assa in raids, want to transition to m+. I see a lot of higher key pushers stack mastery, am I missing out on a lot of DPS? my higher ilvl gear is all haste Crit, I got maybe 50 total mastery lol

[limber lion]

It doesn't matter if you use during the first 9s or the last 9s of Vendetta.

[limber lion]

It doesn't really matter that much, especially if you're not doing really top-end keys.

[balmy condor]

^

the mastery is whatever

[old depot]

Should I craft Zoldyks with mastery anyway? Or stick to haste Crit.

[limber lion]

Doesn't honestly matter.

[balmy condor]

all our stats are so close you can craft whatever the hell you want on it

[fleet whale]

guess what Whispyr

[ocean drum]

but haste still feels good and relevant, right

[fleet whale]

wowhead posted a spec tier list

[dapper yew]

In a lot of Parse i see most people open with Mutilate, SnD. Mut then Flag Rupture. That always turns out to me as Rupturing with 4 Combo Points.

[balmy condor]

already talked about in OT like 2 hours ago

[limber lion]

Yeh because it doesn't really matter that much.

[dapper yew]

kk

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

Don't listen to these mastery deniers

Mastery is the way to go for m+

But don't craft your zoldyck with crit/mastery

[spice spire]

[stoic needle]

You still want haste and crit for m+

[spice spire]

Mastery

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

You want to get mastery rings and necklace at least

Imagine not having 30%+ mastery

[old depot]

Copy that, I'll stop giving up my huntsman neck lol

[stoic needle]

Huntsman neck is ok but council neck or mists neck are better

Are you necro or venthyr

[old depot]

Venthyr

[balmy condor]

oshosi the mastery connoisseur

or mastery tin-foiler

[old depot]

Been thinking about going Necro though, kinda lazy

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

Necro is amazing

[old depot]

Idk where I would bind SBS lol

[stoic needle]

To a mouse button

[old depot]

SBS needs a quickand accessible and I'm all out

[balmy condor]

you would bind it to where you currently have your cov ability?

[stoic needle]

You want fleshfused circle and ring of perpetual conflict as venthyr

[balmy condor]

imagine wanting specific items

[stoic needle]

Necro wants signet of the false accuser

[balmy condor]

[old depot]

Nah flag is a 1 5m cd so it's not a high priority button like SBS

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

no no

this ring has 20 more mastery

[stoic needle]

I mean there's a notable difference in the sim between the haste mastery and crit mastery accessories as venthyr vs necrolord

[pastel shale]

it's 20 ilvls lower but the discord said i want this ring

[spice spire]

“Mastery is bis stat” - oshosi, willing his meme to reality

[stoic needle]

Because of flag vs gemstones

Venthyr wants more crit, necro weights crit and haste equally

Also the only reason it's specific items is because the itemization is so dogshit this tier that there's only like one option for a specific stat combo

[strange python]

Hey guys...I got rank 3 of Zolds...would you all craft rank 4 of it, or craft rank 2 (or possibly 3 depending on ash...I forget how much I have) of doom?

[spice spire]

Get the second leggo imo

[limber lion]

I would always focus on having multiple legendaries

And then upgrading the ones you use the most.

[stoic needle]

Make that doomblade

[wary ice]

the rank 4 upgrade is a trap for any class that wants more than one leggo tbh

its a very resource inefficient upgrade

[strange python]

Doomblade it is. Thanks gang!

[slow marsh]

Seems like osh needs to change prof pic again

[spice spire]

I think Avdol is fitting

[celest marlin]

is Crimson Tempest used for single target in m+ ?

[stoic needle]

yes

[celest marlin]

with Zoldyck only or always ?

[stoic needle]

always

if you're talented into ct, you use it on st outside of shiv

[celest marlin]

what do you ignore from bleeds also inside shiv? can i ignore garote, Rupture?

[stoic needle]

no

if they drop off during shiv you refresh them

just not ct

[spice spire]

Just CT iirc

[celest marlin]

aham, roger

[stoic needle]

whispyr typing a novel

[short hamlet]

is it a novel about scaling

[dapper yew]

is there a min haste value that we should be shooting at for Raiding

[balmy condor]

pins

[royal lantern]

the answer is

no

you take what your sims tells you

aka, highest ilvl for slots with mainstat

[plain thistle]

denath ring on my vault, where is my 233 weapon

8 kills 0 weapons, fml

[limber lion]

Next week fo sho!

[plain thistle]

at least is a upgrade

13 dps, the ring

[stoic needle]

0

[wide stone]

does anyone here have a good assa + outlul WA set?

for like rotation etc

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

just as a game I want to try, all of these rings have a combination within 0.4% for dungeonslice. A/B/C are fae (korayn), necro (heirmir), venthyr (theotar), in no particular order. Take your guesses for which is which

A:
sire (haste/mast)
false acuse (mast/haste)
death god (haste/mast)
arach (crit/haste)
ritualist (haste/crit)
stitch (haste/vers)
fleshfused (mast/crit)
bloodoath (haste/crit)
perpetual (crit/mast)

B:
sire (haste/mast)
arach (crit/haste)
bloodoath (haste/crit)
ritualist (haste/crit)
perpetual (crit/mast)
entwined (crit/vers)

C:
sire (haste/mast)
death god (haste/mast)
bloodoath (haste/crit)
ritualist (haste/crit)
stitchflesh (haste/vers)
arach (crit/haste)
perpetual (crit/mast)
false acuse (mast/haste)
entwined (crit/vers)
fleshfused (mast/crit)
ritual commander (vers/crit)

(should be noted that last covenant is all the rings in the game minus hyperlight and ritual bone, both are vers/mast)

[limber lion]

A: Necro
B: NF
C: Venthyr

[balmy condor]

close close

[stoic needle]

what do you mean by "they all have a combination within .4%"

like, any 2 of these rings is within .4% of the resT?

[plain thistle]

b: venthyr for sure

[balmy condor]

I simmed all the rings at once, and those rings showed up in at least 1 combination that was within 0.4% from the best

[carmine token]

Snagged an upgrade for my amulet from vaulto, and i'm wondering gem for socket. I'm pretty low ilvl, so i wasn't sure if it was worth doing more haste, crit, or maybe even small main stat increase. Thoughts? 210 ilvl, 'sin, mostly single target spec

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

^

the difference is probably like 5 dps

[halcyon zealot]

A: fae
b: venth
c: necro
??

[stoic needle]

gonna say A: necro B: venthyr C: NF

[carmine token]

Ah yeah, will sim it.

[balmy condor]

osh

[stoic needle]

i feel like at this current moment with the stat budgets available on the gear we have the difference between all of the options isn't huge

might be different in 9.1 with the crazy 222 crit 43 vers rings and whatnot

[halcyon zealot]

whispyr we need more games

[balmy condor]

I did one last week too XD

[stoic needle]

honestly 90% of the reason i shill mastery is so i can get big overalls and beat shit boomkins and mages in pugs

well maybe 50% overalls 50% big dick envenoms

[halcyon zealot]

i just have like 23% mastery by default no matter what i do with my other stats rn, every piece i get that’s interchangeable is never in a mastery slot

[stoic needle]

somehow this haste mastery ring i got sims better than the crit/vers boe i was useing even on ST

so my ST set has 30% mastery now

[spice spire]

[wise fiber]

So quick advice. i have been running 235 MA on keys (crit,versa. i know. i was sub before) and as i do higher keys i so struggle to get better efficiency from restealths. should i go for a 235 Zoldyck ( crit,haste) or save the ash for 9.1? (i also have 235 doomblade for raid)

[spice spire]

Ash isn’t used in 9.1, right? I’m pretty sure they confirmed that for the patch

[stoic needle]

make zoldyck

never look back

and yeah, the higher ranks of the legendaries don't use ash

suprisingly

[thorn fjord]

Trying to decide whether to stay venth sin or swap necro outlaw for SLG and Sire mythic prog

Is phase 3 zoldyk significant enough to stay>

[stoic needle]

there could theoreitcally be more legendary tuning but i doubt it'll do anything to change zoldyck from being amazing in m+

[thorn fjord]

or will i be better off just staying pirate?

[spice spire]

Sin is pretty Giga for sure for P3 sire*

[stoic needle]

maybe the new covenant legendary is insane

but you still have a few months to farm ash for that

well necro sin is better for sire mythic prog than venthyr sin

[wise fiber]

Great. on legs ?

[thorn fjord]

is it really?

[stoic needle]

do you think you'll kill mythic kel'thuzad in 9.1?

if so, you could craft it on boots because there's 259 legs he drops but no 259 boots anywhere in the raid

[thorn fjord]

so i can swap necro and have the choice between sin and outlaw on sire

[stoic needle]

otherwise just make it on legs

[stoic needle]

yes, SBS is insane on sire, remornia keeps the bone spike all of p2 and p3 and i think some of the other adds do too even after they die

so you just get 5cp every spike for free

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha

Just might do that then thanks

[stoic needle]

yeah i did it

[thorn fjord]

so you ran pirate for SLG?

[stoic needle]

i will be tonight

[thorn fjord]

haha same 😛

cool

[spice spire]

SLG tonight? YIKERS

[stoic needle]

[brazen ferry]

I could use some help with Mythic Sire progression. Does anyone have some tips and tricks to share? It would be great to know what I can feint/cloak to increase survivability

[keen flint]

Hand or shoulder for Doomblade ?

[balmy condor]

pin

[balmy condor]

can cloak the blood prices

feint on hands

[brazen ferry]

So i can't cloak the first blood price of p3 and have it back for the big ravage/shattering pain/fatal finesse combo?

[balmy condor]

don't think so

[drifting cloud]

cloak doesnt do anything there

[balmy condor]

yeh

[brazen ferry]

doesnt it prevent the knock back part from shattering pain? I could swear it does in heroic

[slender trail]

if i go mfd for st, it it used for pre-cast snd or as an additional finisher during opener flag/shiv? or something else?

[balmy condor]

it does not

[balmy condor]

pre-cast snd

[brazen ferry]

I see. Thx for the replys

[limber lion]

Actually this was a loss as Venth.

[slender trail]

thanks. what's the timing of it again? i guess i only get a 10s countdown so presumably use asap during that

[balmy condor]

yeh as venth might be meh

should use asap

[keen flint]

I imagine put haste & crit on leg is the best value?

[stoic needle]

remember that guy saying that doomblade shoulders would be bis in 9.1

[hollow escarp]

based on some datamined hands that drop from last 2 bosses?

[stoic needle]

no he just based on a 'feeling'

this was before the datamine

it turns out to be the opposite, there are higher ilvl shoulders but no gloves

[sudden hound]

Is it different on Mythic? You can cloak immune the knockback on heroic if you use cloak in the last second of the cast

[drifting cloud]

well it doesnt work, why not who knows

[slender trail]

@limber lion you're venth and play mfd fairly often, right? when do you like to use it?

[heavy trail]

if i use the third guy for NL for m+ should i use sudden fractures or one of the poison ones as a potency I think you only get one ?

[hollow escarp]

you mean Bonesmith?

you should sim yourself, for me Sudden Fractures sims better

[limber lion]

On really short fights, under 3 mins. So pretty much never in mythic. :p

You just use the MFD during Shiv and Flag windows.

[heavy trail]

Yeah will give a shot

my poor sudden fractures never upgraded yet at 145 haha

[hollow escarp]

a quick top gear sim won't take much

[stoic needle]

its nice because heirmir with SF is bis for ST and M+

[hollow escarp]

I guess you swap for outlaw, right?

with CTO

or play Emeni

[silent stratus]

How do you use SBS as sin?

Same heuristics of outlaw?

[west nimbus]

Just leveled up to 50 and entered shadowlands as sin rogue, what covenant is the best to choose taking into account 9.1 upcoming changes? My main content is M+ - I lean towards Necrolords, it seems that Venthyr 9.1 changes are not (in amateur eyes ofc) very appealing? The added benefit is that Necros are good for outlaw if I want to play one in the future, right?

[hollow escarp]

necrolord is a solid pick

right now venthyr sims better on single target but necro is not far behind

[stoic needle]

you use sbs during shiv or during the gemstones proc

the necro soulbinds in 9.1 look pretty solid

[silent stratus]

Ok, and I assume when they are capped too?

[hollow escarp]

don't think you ever wanna cap them

[stoic needle]

you can use emeni for outlaw and sin

[hollow escarp]

might be wrong

[stoic needle]

i put cto in 2nd potency slot and use the haste soulbind for sin

so i can do both

[stoic needle]

if you use 1 on pull and the others during shiv/gemstones they never cap

unless you are getting lots of resets'

[silent stratus]

How does the opener look like with Sbs Then?

Considering MA

[stoic needle]

sbs snd mut

[silent stratus]

Sbs out of stealth?

[limber lion]

No, that's correct.

[stoic needle]

yep

[silent stratus]

And I guess in aoe it has priority

To spread 3 sbs

[hollow escarp]

I assume you never wanna cap anything that has a recharge cd mechanic 😄

in wow

[limber lion]

Yeh that's pretty much the rule for most if not all specs and similar abilities.

[stoic needle]

ideally you'd do like... garx3 >sbs > ct, >sbs > rup > sbs > rup

or maybe fok instead of the first sbs to spread poison

[limber lion]

There's some exceptions where you want to save stuff for big burst windows instead, but they're usually a rare bunch

[silent stratus]

Gar 3cp or gar 4-5 to 2 targets?

3 targets*

What ur gar3x means?

[stoic needle]

you mean rupture?

[silent stratus]

I’m referring to gar3x

[stoic needle]

that means gar on 3 different targets for subterfuge

you can do 4 if you want

[silent stratus]

So I guess I should run sub for m+

Subterfuge

[stoic needle]

yeah

[thorny pond]

I've found if my tank is taking big packs get that first CT out after your Garx3 to get it rolling

[stoic needle]

no reason not to fok first

3cp CT is a waste of energy

[foggy pebble]

hey guys, which is the best lego for m+?

[balmy condor]

zold

that's also in the pins

[foggy pebble]

oh ok thx

[fleet whale]

Not entirely sin related but i want to work on my venthyr mission table, which companion is the best for them?

[balmy condor]

Sounds like you need the Legal advice of #wow-general

[fleet whale]

I figure i would ask here since I imagine most sin rogues are venth these days 😛

[solid nymph]

Draven is the best one

[safe barn]

just saw a log with a guy doing 98 parse without any snd

in sludgefist

like wtf

[low girder]

uh link?

[fleet whale]

prolly got a bunch of PIs plus hero

to make up for the lack of snd

[safe barn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9am3B16dG7Jb2CRM#fight=27&type=damage-done&source=8

[plain thistle]

maybe a pre cast?

wasnt it bugged on buffs tab if you pre casted it?

[hollow escarp]

@vital haven 's guild

[low girder]

yeah i'm reasonably sure this is just bugged and he's got slice on

[hollow escarp]

had combo points left from council

[fleet whale]

CPs fade away after awhile

when out of combat

[vital haven]

lol

someone pulled a yellow mob on the huntsman room when we did the sludge skip

[low girder]

unethical logging

[vital haven]

lol

[low girder]

i figured it might've been turnip or something lmao

[hollow venture]

Dredgers starting to look an awful lot like turnips

[fleet whale]

i remember back in HFC sub rogues would put on t4 rogue set pre pull

and pre cast snd for a more powerful snd from the set bonus

lol

[hollow escarp]

can you generate combo points on the necrolord demonhunter ad?

[timber basalt]

vendetta doesn't snapshot bleeds, right

[hollow escarp]

correct, it does not

[balmy condor]

That’s a precast

[low girder]

you can MFD them

[hollow escarp]

can you mfd, wait for cd, snd, change talent back and then pull boss?

I see

[low girder]

and yeah cev played around with that

if you have a 28s pulltimer mfd is pretty good

[hollow escarp]

I can imagine, you don't care about the decay that much

cp decay

[low girder]

you get 3 CPs out of it still

think that was a 3m fight though

[burnt star]

discord broke l0(

[hollow escarp]

back now

[solid mica]

what's our opener in M+ with MA?

[hollow escarp]

talent or legendary?

[solid mica]

legendary

[hollow escarp]

doesn't change unless you play NS/CT

[solid mica]

doesn't garrot'ing out of stealth just waste the buff?

[low girder]

yes but you waste more by not getting the subt garrotes out

[hollow escarp]

everything crits in that window

[solid mica]

yeah but won't you only get like a few ticks in that 4 second window?

[timber basalt]

in m+ on single target, when do you envenom vs CT?

[hollow escarp]

they are enough to make it worth it

[low girder]

when CT is up and isn't in pandemic

[hollow escarp]

it's not like foking without building for energy makes it better

[low girder]

don't refresh CT in shivs

as well

[timber basalt]

yeah was more curious about shiv windows

[low girder]

yeah don't refresh in them

obey the same pooling rules as normal

[solid mica]

I'm going to be building zoldyck for sire and was wondering if i should just build it now for tyrnnical weeks, MA feels like it would just be a lot weaker than zoldyck in keys

[hollow escarp]

I personally prefer zoldyck in m+

but MA is fun

reminds me of good old legion days

[balmy condor]

MA is good in keys

[solid mica]

yeah just feels like it's so much worse without cd reduction on vanish

[balmy condor]

It’s really not

[next junco]

really cba with leggos i dont have MA but i have rank2 doomblade i can make it to rank4 or do zoldycks?

[balmy condor]

Guys pls

[next junco]

o and i mainly do raiding as sin so forget ma

[balmy condor]

Just look at the damn pins

[solid mica]

does subterfuge garrote's apply the silence?

[balmy condor]

And apply the info

To how you play

[balmy condor]

It does

[solid mica]

thx

[vagrant bison]

a friend of fine said that i got a 98 log in SD 15, another guildie said that logs in dungeons are completely useless, trying to ruin the party. Who to trust?

[hollow escarp]

I don't trust dungeon logs

because I got a 98 on a depleted key

it's probably not well optimized yet

[gusty mirage]

POG

you're insane

[hollow escarp]

and it's just some scuffed rio

[balmy condor]

Dungeon parses are nonsense

I don’t even know what they’re supposed to show

[gusty mirage]

I think they're just based on key level

not actual damage done

[balmy condor]

Yeah idk

[vagrant bison]

yeah it was weird, cause there is no way i did that good lol

[balmy condor]

But is it damage on that key level?

Time?

Dps?

Both?

[gusty mirage]

I think its just time left & key level

at least the last time I looked into it

[vagrant bison]

idk man, someone else apparently logged the run xD i just a 98

[gusty mirage]

you could legit buy a 20 carry and be like BRO 100 PARSE

[hollow escarp]

I think it's rio because I see on wlogs that I'm rank 305 and on rio 200 something

[fallen fable]

U can actually log the dps

[balmy condor]

Idk, dungeon parses are just fucking gibberish

[gusty mirage]

yeah but idk if it actually parses based on dps

[hollow escarp]

depleted btw

[fallen fable]

It does if u click dps

[hollow escarp]

only for logged runs

[fallen fable]

If u click points i goes on defualt logs taken from raider io

[gusty mirage]

interesting

[fallen fable]

@hollow escarp i actually wrote that

[hollow escarp]

I'm blind

[fallen fable]

😂

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but who logs?

[empty crescent]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow escarp]

most of them are when I forgot to stop logging from raid

or somebody else did

[fallen fable]

Yeah its not relevant as it is in raid.

[balmy condor]

Nobody

I think logging dungeons can be useful sometimes

[fallen fable]

M+ is not much about dps

[balmy condor]

But reading dungeon logs

Is a nightmare

[hollow escarp]

^

yeah, it's good if you want to have data saved

for reasons

but not for leaderboards metric

[fallen fable]

Yea

[gusty mirage]

wdym this looks fine to look through

[hollow escarp]

[low girder]

looks like an old hard drive that needs to be defragged

[gusty mirage]

god thats a throwback

I do not miss hdds

[hollow escarp]

sometimes I feel that sata ssds are slow lol

after swapping to nvme or w/e they are called

[gusty mirage]

yeah same

[balmy condor]

You guys still pop the CD into your disk drive when you buy the new expansions?

How else would you install something

[gusty mirage]

I made sure to get a blue ray drive in my build

[hollow escarp]

lol

[gusty mirage]

DON'T SHAME ME

I'M A BOOMER

[balmy condor]

Nice waste of money

[gusty mirage]

it was $27!

[balmy condor]

Nice waste of 27 dollars

[gusty mirage]

I said "I might need a cd drive" haven't used it once

[hollow escarp]

you never now

[gusty mirage]

tbh I still gamed out on all the games of my childhood

like red alert 2

then I found out I can just download it and felt dumb

and now whispyr's making me feel dumb all over again

[balmy condor]

That’s what I’m here for

[hollow escarp]

[low girder]

i have my vanilla/tbc/wrath discs still

[gusty mirage]

it's why we love you

[balmy condor]

90% of the conversations I have in this discord

Involve someone feeling dumb

[gusty mirage]

fair

that's probably because 90% of the conversations in this discord are dumb questions

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

if only there was some sort of feature that presented answers to every basic question you could have

[hollow escarp]

I've been so active recently that I often get whispers from people asking for rogue stuff and I just tell them to read the pins

[gusty mirage]

maybe something like...

[dawn ivy]

!oil

[hollow escarp]

🛢️

[dawn ivy]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[dawn ivy]

is oil/phantom more volatile for potentially parsing higher?

or is it pretty consistent

[stoic needle]

Yes

Its very inconsistent

[dawn ivy]

thought so.

[low girder]

it's pretty god damn volatile yeah

[hollow escarp]

you can prepot with tome of still mind while specced into the middle Theotar soulbind

[stoic needle]

Idgaf about parsing so I don't bother

[low girder]

i can make oils

so i generally run one

because i forget to buy stones

[hollow escarp]

I craft 200 stones on my blacksmith and send them to my main every now and then

I'm a main stat gamer

[stoic needle]

I just buy 100 pots and 100 stones at a time

[halcyon lynx]

1st reccomended legendary for craft -> Doomblade (even for early m+?) Or rather go Zold?

[stoic needle]

Zold > doomblade

[low girder]

doomblade for raid, zoldyck for m+

[stoic needle]

If you're doing m+

[hollow escarp]

zold is not as bad in single target compared to doomblade in m+\

if that makes sense

[low girder]

yeah

[hollow escarp]

so zoldyck is more versatile

[halcyon lynx]

Ok, thx ❤️

What slot tho? Legs/feet?

[gritty spoke]

so how hard is it to get iqd to match sims? i got a 226 weapon and iqd in the vault today, sim has the iqd 10 dps higher in dungeonslice

[hollow escarp]

legs

[plain thistle]

discord is fucked for anyone else?

[hollow escarp]

in m+ you can use it if everybody has full hp, mana is ok on healer and you are not targeting an execute target mob

and it will always proc stats

but if you don't have any other 226 weapons, I would ditch IQD

you can do well with a 220 valor IQD

[stoic needle]

Slg prog starts in 1 hr

Please pray for me

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

Get the iqd

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

Imo iqd is rarer, there are several possible 226 weps you can get from vault and otherwise, but only one iqd

If that makes sense

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but short term weapon is better if you don't have higher main hand ilvl

[stoic needle]

Fuck the short term

We have like 2 months til 9.1

[hollow escarp]

but considering it's a 10 dps difference

I assume they have good weapons

[stoic needle]

I think making short term gearing decisions is always a mistake

With as bad as rng can be

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but when 226 is the best weapon you can get

[stoic needle]

233 tho

[hollow escarp]

next patch

[stoic needle]

233 token on first kill

🔮

It will happen

[hollow escarp]

let's be honest, if you haven't killed sire once by now, your guild will probably not gonna reclear

[stoic needle]

I demand it

I will not finish this tier 5/10ce

Or I could do absolutely anything else with my life

[hollow escarp]

I skipped sludgefist, I really hope I get to kill him as well

[brittle pawn]

how are you guys using cds on denathrius?

were phasing into p2 with third ravage

killing one add before hand, going through mirror, jumping over to second add

i can hold second vendetta for one of them

and have flag for the other

but it feels like im holding forever

[drifting cloud]

I mean just depends how youre assigned

its a 10min fight, youre either gonna vendetta 0,2,4,7,9 with the one on 2 doing nothing

or 0,3,5,7,9

[brittle pawn]

if i use it on cd then it comes up like halfway through duskhollow and he doesn't die before hand

being the second add im on

[drifting cloud]

well your vendetta shouldnt be make or break on dusk

I do like 150-180k to it without vendetta

[brittle pawn]

it is when this is what's hitting him

[drifting cloud]

but if youre assigned to it

you can just not vendetta at 2min since it doesnt do anything anyways

[brittle pawn]

yea we have to hold just after that anyway

[drifting cloud]

the druid should be enough

where the tank/healer dmg

also if dusk lives on low % its not even a wipe

but if the other one does it is

or well atleast way bigger chance you get an extra deaths because of the aura

[brittle pawn]

think i should vend/flag on evershade then?

tank/healers not even looking at duskhollow

that was no cd

[lost mist]

those pally doing 0 dmg x.x

[brittle pawn]

not sure what they were doing there. they're actually pumpers

[lost mist]

in our kill, our monk tank did 75k dmg on dusk, and our dh did 41k

[brittle pawn]

only one tank is even on the platform

[lost mist]

im sure they are wasting their burst when they should not

[drifting cloud]

I mean its because someone has to cd there

but you really dont need more than 1-2 guys

[lost mist]

u need at least 2 burst there

[drifting cloud]

and if youre a 2min class youre losing a use in p2 then

[lost mist]

u should be fine with 1, but those pallys arent doing dmg

[drifting cloud]

but that only matters if youre struggling with pushing the boss

[brittle pawn]

struggling with everything rn

[lost mist]

are u saving logs?

[brittle pawn]

yea

[lost mist]

👀

[drifting cloud]

but yeah like I said even if dusk doesnt die not a wipe

you just kill it next time you go threw mirror its on your left

a dh, boomie starfalls etc finishes it off

[lost mist]

is not a wipe, u can go back and kill it but if u are struggling with dps, then it will be wipe because that dps should be on sire, not killing dusk after the grab

[drifting cloud]

I mean not really

[brittle pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/93mZBVz1GqL86tgR/

[drifting cloud]

oh you dont have a dh tank no clue how moving the boss works then

does the pala venthyr away from dusk or something?

or I guess the dk

[lost mist]

if your hunters do way more dmg on evershade, someone can save the burst to push dusk

[drifting cloud]

lol

no then it should just be him

[lost mist]

evershade dmg on my group

[drifting cloud]

hunter cds are aoe ..

theyre killing the boss aswell

[lost mist]

hunters bursting evershade is 3x1

sire, remornia, evershade

[brittle pawn]

one of our hunters isnt even on evershade

going over to the ranged add

[drifting cloud]

thats so bad

but I guess your comp is pretty terrible

[lost mist]

well, if they are struggling with dps on sinseer there's nothing that u can do

[drifting cloud]

7 melee dps lol

[lost mist]

"alex" hunter is literally going here and there

[drifting cloud]

should be fun in p3

with bp hitting you all for 37k

[lost mist]

22k on sinseer, 80k on evershade

your group is wasting dps on 1st adds, so on 2nd adds u have no enough dps

[brittle pawn]

the ww is usually mw but had to find weapons to put on because we lost our other mage

so next few weeks are scuffed comp

on which first adds?

mythic adds?

[lost mist]

evershade-sinseer

[brittle pawn]

yea they're having full cds and potions for it

i tried saving my potion for duskhollow and got yelled at so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[arctic axle]

Is sin viable for M+ or should I just go outlaw for M+ and SIN for my ST in raids?

Can Sin out perform Outlaw in M+ is probably more accurate question.

[shrewd arch]

Hi guys just a quick question, i main outlaw for mm+ but i would like to play assa in raid and i'm currently necro for outlaw . Will i loose many dps if i stay necro or is it ok ? (pardon my english it's not my native language ^^)

[stoic needle]

sin can do roughly the same damage but outlaw will always have slightly more utility

[lost mist]

necro is fine for raiding, on cleave and that 🙂

[brittle pawn]

i think necro got figured out to be about 1% behind venthyr single target

and slightly ahead on aoe

[hollow escarp]

It also has a good progression covenant ability

Fleshcraft Dr is pretty good

[shrewd arch]

Thanks for the responses guys 🙂

[versed mica]

Venthyr vs necro is such a hard choice for me tbh

I got venthyr all upgraded, followers levelled up, and I like the cosmetics

But necro sounds so much more fun now that it isn't garbage

[lost cloak]

Should council be considered a multi target fight or a single? Should we try to put ruptures and garrote up on the other bosses for the energy regen even though the damage is wasted?

[balmy condor]

you gar/rupture up to 5 bleeds

but it is still single target

multidotting for single target damage is just how the spec works

[west swallow]

so i got a 223 dagger out of my vault for the second week in a row so ill be switching off of outlaw, how is sin vs sub looking rn?

[void pecan]

It's been better for quite a while

[west swallow]

hmm so sub is just bad now then?

[void pecan]

Except for pvp, yeah it's not very good.

[heavy trail]

i got 3 wrist options with my current lego being on the wrist lol

[west swallow]

unfortunate

OOF

[heavy trail]

all vers mastery stats 🙂

[cerulean nest]

any tips on this fight? felt like i was doing as much as I could except for when shades/etc. are being kited around and I focus boss for awhile

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TmxCVgpL3afFZXzP#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=16

[loud niche]

someone make me stop auto-popping on pull for sludge

im gonna stroke out over it

[stoic needle]

@limber lion zoldyck or doomblade for SLG?

[gusty mirage]

outlaw kek

[stoic needle]

And ct or pb?

[drifting cloud]

zold ct

[stoic needle]

Subterfuge?

[umbral sigil]

is it looking like bone boys for 9.1?

[balmy condor]

we don't know

it's 1 week into the ptr

and literally half the shit isn't even in, or tested

[umbral sigil]

my sense of time is messed up lol idk why i thought ptr was live for like 2 or 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

I mean even then, probably would be hard pressed to find some info on it

try like 2-3 weeks before the patch

[agile ledge]

When should I start using fan of knives on council?

[balmy condor]

when you can hit 4-5 targets consistently

[brave vector]

zoldyck talents in m+ are 223x223?

[agile ledge]

Alright. Thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

does seem that way

[lavish sun]

should I save vendetta to use with shiv

I'm sorry for being noob

[hollow river]

Only for sludgefist I believe

[stoic needle]

it's the other way around

you hold shiv for up to 12 seconds to sync with vendetta

[lavish sun]

thank you, my brain feels considerably larger

[hollow river]

@balmy condor so you multi dot and stay subterfuge for the haste? On council

[balmy condor]

you don't have to play subterfuge

I wouldn't recommend it

council is a single target fight

[hollow river]

Right, what did you mean by 5 bleeds

[balmy condor]

you keep up, up to 5 bleeds

so you multi-dot

for the energy

it increases your single target by doing that

[stoic needle]

gnashing chompers seems to be p good for slg

[hollow river]

What is multi dot o.o

[balmy condor]

a bleed is a dot

[hollow river]

Yeah ik

[balmy condor]

multi meaning multiple

[agile ledge]

5% on council T_T

[balmy condor]

multiple dots

[agile ledge]

give me your energy D:

[hollow river]

Gar, rup, SBS, and?

[balmy condor]

spread them

to multiple targets

[hollow river]

Ah so you do gar/rupture all 3

[balmy condor]

up to 5 bleeds

gar/rup all 3 would be 6

[hollow river]

Right

Significant dps increase on main focus ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow river]

Seems like losing CP would be weird in the extra rupture

But it it like a 20 something second buff basically

It is*

[cerulean nest]

on inerva do you waste time dotting up adds?

[hollow river]

I’m 210 as sin, 5.5k ST sim, is 4K decent? I should probably be doing more I assume but we have no warrior buff and maybe one more

[balmy condor]

the rupture gives you much more energy back

[balmy condor]

4k on what

4k on a dummy? 4k in a raid slamming sludgefist?

[hollow river]

Basically all bosses on heroic

5k on sludge

6-6.5 on pillar

[balmy condor]

if you're simming 5.5k, and doing 5k on sludge

something's wrong

[hollow river]

Huntsman I can pull 4.5k depending

[balmy condor]

that also seems very wrong

[hollow river]

Yeah thought so

?

[balmy condor]

huntsman and sludge you should be easily over your single target sim

like comfortably so

[hollow river]

Oh wow

Teach me sense I

[balmy condor]

looks like on march 8th I was simming 5700, the day afterwards in raid, I did 7700 on huntsman, died on sludge that raid I guess

[hollow river]

Should I be respecing to MA and CT for huntsman

[balmy condor]

let me see if I have something around that ilvl

[polar cape]

is there something that fucked up dautless duelist on council? sometime it doesnt swap bosses

[balmy condor]

6800 the week after

[hollow river]

Wow

[magic oxide]

damn I have a 223 Shadowgrasp totem. Should i upgrade this IQD i have to 220? ive never used IQD before and have heard mixed reviews

[balmy condor]

iqd is very good

if you're already using an on-use, maybe would consider upgrading a phial first

[magic oxide]

ooh i have a 226 phial yah

[shy dust]

[balmy condor]

iqd is a good choice then

[magic oxide]

i was wondering if it was worth to relace Shadowgrasp with IQD

[balmy condor]

only a sim would know tbh

I would say probably not

[magic oxide]

kk thanks papi chulo

[umbral sigil]

i would hold on to anything you replace with an IQD

itll always sim really high

[uneven plume]

was about to parse a 98 on M sluge but we wiped at 200hp

someone said "we got this ez boys" and we all died

lmaooo

[agile ledge]

wooooo we got it council down :DDD

[balmy condor]

gz

[agile ledge]

Thanks ^_^

[hollow river]

@balmy condor are there any more in-depth guides than the ones in the pinned comments?

[shy dust]

Gz

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[heavy trail]

37 DOS and now I am going to rotoate to plageful also for giggles so it's 37 DOS, 2 PF no trinkets. It's like an insane obcession for me now

[agile ledge]

Thanks rae :)

[heavy trail]

i guess the pF is about as good as the IQD for m+ ?

[warped temple]

v sad

[heavy trail]

There is a positive went from 12 to 38 renown in very short time lol and my assassin skill has improved exponentially at least at those specific dungeons and learning how to multidot and use SBS 🙂

I didn't test but does the feint buff protect you from the tentatcle crash last boss in PF? does hit help with the damage if you get nailed ?

[hollow river]

Yeah I’ve read those guides idk guess I just gotta get better with time

[gusty mirage]

do I full send the zold and stop being a scared little baby and push keys as assa?

do I return home Ryfie or continue being a budget fury warrior?

[balmy condor]

or send logs

[stoic needle]

bro why r u still playing outlaw

[gusty mirage]

cuz gouge bro

[stoic needle]

replace help with zoldycks

[gusty mirage]

I know

I have 6k soul ash after upgrading my doom to 235

[warped temple]

absolutely! 😄

[gusty mirage]

bought the 235 runecarver legs

after I finaly get a 226 cto

[warped temple]

do itttt 🙂

[heavy trail]

i just did the 190 legs now couldn't wait since i got a 220 wrist as my only option in the vault lol oh well hah

[hollow river]

@balmy condor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/agamaggan/backstabu

[balmy condor]

oh boy

[stoic needle]

you mean you have a zoldycks 🙂

[balmy condor]

aight so step 1, is that your uptimes need some help

[low girder]

step 2 scrap that entire opener

[balmy condor]

garrote/rupture should be at like 97%

yeah the opener is a mess

also there's like a different opener on each fight

so I'm not sure if you're just beaning it over and over

or it's just wrong and you're doing it right sometimes

like this looks almost okay

[hollow river]

I’m just trying different stuff tbh

[low girder]

also i'm reasonably sure you're ambushing from vanish

or stealth

don't do that

[balmy condor]

the sbs should be in place of the first mut

so very first cast should be that sbs

[hollow river]

Really

[umbral sigil]

from stealth?

[balmy condor]

snd mut gar rup vend is fine

the ambush from vanish is troll

[low girder]

never ambush outside of a proc

[balmy condor]

don't do that

the shiv in MA window after vanishing is more troll than the ambush

[low girder]

yeah def don't do that either

[balmy condor]

so if anything, shiv then vanish mut env mut

for that circumstance

speaking of shiv

[hollow river]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

hit it

like

just hit the button

[low girder]

slam that shit

on cooldown

[hollow river]

I was trying new stuff on pillars for sludge

[balmy condor]

yeh

I haven't looked at sludge

[low girder]

on sludge yeah you dont' just slam it

[vital haven]

one day

[low girder]

but outside of that

[balmy condor]

but that sentence scares me

[vital haven]

i wont get double link on inerva

for like 3 weeks

[hollow river]

xD

[vital haven]

one day

[balmy condor]

oh god

yeah

shouldn't have opened sludge

that's a mess

[hollow river]

Rofl you hurt me kind sir

[balmy condor]

so you're doing a 4 pillar strat

on sludge

with that kill time

the opener I don't think we'll need to reiterate

cooldown wise

[hollow river]

Nah I’m new man I’m just trying to DEEPS

[balmy condor]

you shiv/cooldown on the pull

then shiv between the pillar, shiv on the pillar, shiv between the pillar, on the pillar

over and over

your other cooldowns should all line up for pillars 2/4

[hollow river]

Yeah I got that part right

[balmy condor]

seems like you're saving sbs casts for pillars

[hollow river]

I believe

[balmy condor]

that's good

[hollow river]

Yeah for fast cp

[balmy condor]

well what I'm looking at here, you held your cooldowns for pillar 1

[hollow river]

I use one when ik I’ll have it back for pillar basically

[balmy condor]

that's missing a full cast of vend

[hollow river]

I thought u held for 2/4

[balmy condor]

yes

pull, 2, and 4

your log is 1, and 3

[hollow river]

Ah

[balmy condor]

it comes up in time for pillar 2

you just gotta use vend/vanish a little earlier

[hollow river]

Yeah I think I had it up for execute during enrage

[balmy condor]

like 2-3 seconds into the pull

hit the vendetta/vanish stuff

you'll have vend for pillar 4 naturally at that point, which is during the enrage

[hollow river]

So vanish ambush is dps loss but ambush proc is dps+?

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

yes

ambush proc is 0 energy

[hollow river]

Seems weird but I’ll move the button further down on the stealth bar xD

[balmy condor]

so free, but gives things

that's sick

[hollow river]

Ahhh

[balmy condor]

50 energy, but gives things, less sick

[hollow river]

Right

I get it

[balmy condor]

the biggest thing here

which is hurting you bad

this is so cursed

you have no idea

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

you overcapped every single ambush

[hollow river]

??

[balmy condor]

and over 15% of your mutilate cp

[low girder]

yeah you should never have wasted CPs outside of seal fate and sometimes shiv

[balmy condor]

yep

[hollow river]

Yes still getting used to going on 4

I’m used to outlaw/deeper strat

[balmy condor]

so looking at that, mut should never overcap, sbs shouldn't overcap on single target, garrote shouldn't either, ambush shouldn't either, shiv is okay, and seal fate is just natural overcap can't really control that

so all in all, you're missing out on 90 cp