assassination

[fathom flax]

okay wow fuck me

thank you

[low girder]

lmao

np

[balmy condor]

Quick ask a pinned question

I’m close

[stoic needle]

Imagine not sbs from stealth

[limber lion]

Ask about secondaries please

[low girder]

imagine not optimizing for pure ST dps while your DKs press epidemic

[limber lion]

[fallen arch]

HOW MUCH HASTE I NEED!?

[fathom flax]

i just came back so ive only got MA lego

so ive been using subterfuge

[balmy condor]

Thank me come

[fathom flax]

i hope i made your guys day

haha

sorry

[balmy condor]

:P all good

[stoic needle]

That sbs cp funnel though

[fallen arch]

Yw

[balmy condor]

Rather laugh at it than cry

Maybe @royal lantern was right

Maybe this channel has broken me

[low girder]

the bot command is made to be used 😛

[fathom flax]

man i literally thought like

[steel ridge]

i am back

in red

[limber lion]

Hello back.

[fathom flax]

hey shit these guides are all old AF they dont have ambush in em

nope, it was me

[balmy condor]

Wh ?

[stoic needle]

whispyr's sanity

[limber lion]

Nothing new here

[balmy condor]

I’m kidding hi @steel ridge bb welcome back

Long time no see

[steel ridge]

was hanging out with the pirate bois

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

Cheating

[steel ridge]

but lately i have been playing alot of sin

and i think its the way going forward for both arena and raiding

[limber lion]

Good.

[stoic needle]

I hit 1600 io today

[limber lion]

Grats.

:)

[stoic needle]

Can't wait to pump next week on the non spiteful

[low girder]

with sub getting another pvp nerfbat i'd say you're probably right lol

[limber lion]

Next week is the worst week in the game

[steel ridge]

m+ is still kinda awkward as sin tho...

[limber lion]

Maybe for you

[balmy condor]

You mean perfect

[stoic needle]

For high keys maybe

[fathom flax]

Sin2Win

i only resubbed for the sin buffs

[steel ridge]

i mean i havent touched m+ since i got KSM anyway

[stoic needle]

But I think I can still get a few points

The week after next seems nice tho

[limber lion]

Yeh maybe, Bolstering and Necro has been considered the 2 worst affixes in the game since Legion

And with Tyrannical as well

[stoic needle]

Just don't get hit

Sin dotting everything down evenly is kinda nice for bolstering

[limber lion]

That's grievous

Necro is big boom tank go byebye

[stoic needle]

Oh fuck

[steel ridge]

but just hammering the big mob with outlaw is alot more convinient

[stoic needle]

Yeah....

[steel ridge]

and gouge. why you no gouge sin?!

[limber lion]

Especially since they changed how tank aggro and kiting works in BFA

[limber lion]

[steel ridge]

i need it

[stoic needle]

No you don't

Gouge is a crutch

I do a lot of low cp kidney shots

And blinds

[limber lion]

Yeh, the main problem with Bolstering is that you can't pull huge packs nor chain packs. It's a big handicap for dungeons like NW and DoS

[steel ridge]

atleast kidney does serious damage as sin

[stoic needle]

We don't take that talent tho

Iron wire all day

[steel ridge]

oh right...

for solo or pvp its gud tho

[stoic needle]

Yeah it's great in pvp

And torghast

[steel ridge]

i think i need zoldycks

[stoic needle]

Yes you do

[steel ridge]

only have doomblade 235 so far

[stoic needle]

Smdh

Imagine not having 235 zoldyck already

[limber lion]

Imagine not having 235 zoldyck boots ready for 9.1

smh

[stoic needle]

It was my first 235

[dark crag]

Was it 5150 ash for 235?

[stoic needle]

[steel ridge]

boots is the play?

[limber lion]

Currently? Nah

[stoic needle]

If you're going to kill mythic kel'thuzad

In 9.1

There are 259 ilvl legs

[low girder]

yes

[stoic needle]

But no 259 ilvl boots anywhere in the raid

[steel ridge]

oh i am so not killing mythic kel thuzad^^

[stoic needle]

Just kill him

[steel ridge]

this tier i didnt even bother with mythic to begin with

[stoic needle]

He's only the 9th boss

[steel ridge]

my guild is not capable enough

[stoic needle]

My guild starts slg tomorrow

[steel ridge]

my guild first killed inverva mythic two days ago...

[earnest remnant]

condolences

[stoic needle]

Progress is progress

[steel ridge]

we completed heroic in like week 9 or 10...

[stoic needle]

Outlaw jail

[steel ridge]

after that i took hiatus xD

[stoic needle]

I don't mind outlaw in keys but outlaw in raid is so tilting

[earnest remnant]

i played sub on progress on that fight

assa is okay on the boss

[stoic needle]

We only have one hunter

[steel ridge]

i mean, it took my RL 8 weeks to kick a hunter out of the raid who consistently screwed the whole raid and did 2.5k dps

[stoic needle]

So I think I might actually be needed to do aoe dps

[earnest remnant]

CT spam it xD

[stoic needle]

Aoe dps not aoe inting

[earnest remnant]

there isnt really a dps check at all on that fight at all anymore

everything dies instantly

[stoic needle]

We shall see

[earnest remnant]

get 2 WW and the Aoe is there xD

[stoic needle]

We might do that actually

Soon we will get to sire and then it'll be my turn to blast

Necro sin with zoldyck on sire

[earnest remnant]

I play assa on SLG on reclears its rather chill ngl

just running around doing my own shit dotting everything

[stoic needle]

There's a lovely irony about playing the bleed spec on the boss with all the bleeds

[limber lion]

First mythic reclear in 3 months tomorrow

[stoic needle]

Hell yeah

[earnest remnant]

i hate reclears took me 9 weeks to get wep from denath fuck that guy

[stoic needle]

At this rate I'll get one just in time for 9.1 to come out

[steel ridge]

9.1 normal raid should be 226 right?

and heroic 239?

[north basin]

why we dont want garrote or rupture cast during shiv? coz i found myself casting it during shiv time coz its about to end,

[steel ridge]

cause shiv buffs envenoms

and you want to fit 3 envenoms

[stoic needle]

Yeah I think so

The # of envenoms isn't super important, but you should be trying to refresh rupture and garotte before shiv

It's fine to use garotte as a builder during shiv

[steel ridge]

but dont let rupture or garrote fall off... its just a min max thingy

[stoic needle]

I almost always get 3 envenoms in shiv as necro though

[north basin]

i cant get 3 envenoms in shiv during rotation flow. only if i specifically try to achieve it

like holding cp for a brief of second

etc

[balmy condor]

It’s not important

[stoic needle]

I'd usually only get 2 as deeper venthyr

[balmy condor]

Stop counting envenoms

Who gives a shit

[simple gulch]

Doing trash as sin feels so bad

[stoic needle]

Never

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[steel ridge]

depends on lucky mut crits

[low girder]

asking the mastery stacker to stop counting envenoms in shiv windows

[stoic needle]

Imagine

The lbe buffed shiv window

13% agi on top of shiv + doomblade

[steel ridge]

well necrolord is the only cov i dont have maxed :/

[north basin]

iam not counting envenoms and just let rotation flow with priorities. but wanted to ask if 3 envenoms rly a thing. seems like no

[steel ridge]

(with rogue)

[steel ridge]

its a not a priority, but it does happen 😄

[north basin]

ye definetely does for me

but not 100% of time

[stoic needle]

Up to 13% extra agi during every shiv, or 18% crit every other shiv

[steel ridge]

do we have any info on covenant legendaries for rogue in 9.1?

i guess nothing yet and not for month to come

[balmy condor]

Not implemented in game

So

Probably doesn’t exist

[steel ridge]

i wonder if those are meant as a second legendary since it should be easier to balance with "fixed" legendaries

its basically a set boost to your cov

[placid cobalt]

hopefully they are taking care of few classes at a time

so maybe we get some love

[steel ridge]

oh shiv gets some serious love in pvp

40% heal reduce as of now...

sounds nuts

[placid cobalt]

yeah but the class in general is not really faring too well

sub is a dead spec for pve and so on, hopefully we get something more than a pvp talent

[steel ridge]

sub was slowly dying since release... blizzard doesnt seem to know what to do with it

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

and the preliminary nerf to MA is the final nail in the coffin

[balmy condor]

As if we have an actual developer

[placid cobalt]

XD heres dreaming man 😄

[steel ridge]

i mean, sin got the cut to the chase talent which is a huge QoL imo

[placid cobalt]

but u know, it'd be nice to get some good leggos and stuff

[steel ridge]

SnD was a mess

[north basin]

we have sub for pvp assa for strong ST and outlaw for aoe. whats wrong with this setting?XD

[steel ridge]

well assa is overtaking sub for pvp

[placid cobalt]

i think chase was more of a patch they had to put there to make the rotation remotely engaging, doesnt seem like a mechanic they really thought about it

[steel ridge]

if it hasnt already

[placid cobalt]

like for example in aoe, u still envenom to refresh snd which doesnt really make much sense, should be on every finisher imo

[balmy condor]

Isn’t cttc less engaging

By definition

[steel ridge]

well you have poison bomb 😮

[placid cobalt]

mhhhh what i mean is u have less finishers that do no damage

not in aoe u got crimson

[steel ridge]

in big AoE you dont need SnD tho

[placid cobalt]

i'd take no issue with cttc if crimson or rapture procced it, but it feels bad to be forced to envenom when you dont want to

[balmy condor]

I don’t get why people think slice is a “no damage finisher”

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

It’s the most backwards logic I’ve ever seen

[limber lion]

It's our best finisher

[balmy condor]

And it’s so common

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

I don’t get it

[limber lion]

"Reee melee is our #1 damage"

[balmy condor]

Like rupture doesn’t do instant damage either

[limber lion]

"I hate SnD, it does nothing"

[balmy condor]

But you don’t see people going “rupture doesn’t do damage”

[placid cobalt]

i mean, ofc everything you do in fight is finalized to increase your output, there is a difference between a dot and a buff tho

if a mob is low HP im not gonna kill him with snd

[limber lion]

You're not killing it with rupture either

[balmy condor]

You’re not killing it with rupture either

[earnest remnant]

LOL

[balmy condor]

Hm

[limber lion]

[gloomy knoll]

snd is boring tho

[placid cobalt]

well rupture might kill it XD

[balmy condor]

Wtf man

[gloomy knoll]

lame ability is lame

[bleak sky]

poke poke attack faster is fun

[earnest remnant]

i mean your melee swings will do more than rupture

[placid cobalt]

it's a buff that results in damage, doesnt really feel engaging to press it every 40 mins

40 secs

[balmy condor]

How are you literally gonna say that rupture might kill it

But not snd

When snd literally does more damage

Gtfo out of here

Whack ass logic

[bleak sky]

no once every 40 min is correct

[balmy condor]

What makes rupture engaging

[placid cobalt]

i just dont get it, u say a dot on a target and a buff are the same thing? sure they both result in damage, but they are far from the same

[balmy condor]

How

How are they not

[placid cobalt]

nothing man, but i never said rupture is better than snd

[limber lion]

They both do damage

[gloomy knoll]

rupture is better than snd

[placid cobalt]

i said u already got a maintenance finisher in rapture, feelsbad to have another one

[bleak sky]

snd is 7.5% damage, how much damage is rupture?

[steel ridge]

rupture gives energy

[balmy condor]

If rupture was a buff that increased garrote damage

Would that be less engaging

Would that make rupture feel bad

It’s the same thing

[steel ridge]

blind side makes the spec alot more engaging for me

[placid cobalt]

i dont get why it's getting into a discussion of which spell does more damage, i simply said that 2 different maintenance finishers feels bad

[steel ridge]

its just great to hit those ambushes

[bleak sky]

it's fun but not consistent

[placid cobalt]

ofc you use both and ofc they both increase your output, doesnt mean it's fun

[bleak sky]

I really like that with EP you can be very very consistent

[steel ridge]

EP is lame af

[bleak sky]

instead of relying on the rng gods to top the charts

[earnest remnant]

EP gang

[bleak sky]

(looking at you chaos theory on DH)

[steel ridge]

ambush is the FLUFF

[balmy condor]

This started because you said you might kill something with rupture, and not snd

[limber lion]

Might not be the right spec for you then. I suggest visiting #outlaw

[balmy condor]

And then insisted that snd and rupture are different

[limber lion]

Oh nevermind, they use RtB and that doesn't do any damage either

[balmy condor]

Even though their both finishers that you maintain

[placid cobalt]

i still stand by that, i might not have melee range and kill something with rapture yeah

[balmy condor]

And do damage

Oh my god

[placid cobalt]

unless u assume everything in the game is a target dummy

or in pvp

[balmy condor]

I’m so done

[placid cobalt]

absolutely

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[steel ridge]

guys calm down

what is this about xD

[placid cobalt]

if someone is 10% hp u refresh bleed or put snd when u know he'll run?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[placid cobalt]

no need to stress man, it's different ways of thinking, apologies if i offended u somehow

[balmy condor]

You’re right

Completely

Snd is a shit ability

Rupture good

[earnest remnant]

xD

[balmy condor]

Completely different

I agree

[bleak sky]

btw is sin rogue on pvp decent? I can't play sub for shit

[earnest remnant]

its aite

[limber lion]

If a mob is at 10% and you know he's about to do a backflip 180°, start cooking pancakes and visit your family, do you refresh snd or put a rupture on it?

[bleak sky]

i just press poisoned knife

[placid cobalt]

i dont get the hate, u say a bleed and a buff are the same thing i don't really know what to respond, whatever i guess

[balmy condor]

If you swapped the icons on rupture and snd for your weakauras and went to raid you won’t notice the fucking difference

That’s the point

[gloomy knoll]

rupture is red

🅱️ oolin

[subtle tundra]

no, i stop hitting it, fall in love with it and form a family together ;3

[gloomy knoll]

snd is not red 📉

[balmy condor]

Here

Let me describe an ability

And you can guess what I’m describing

[subtle tundra]

ALTER TIME

[bleak sky]

distract

[gloomy knoll]

shiv

[subtle tundra]

the suspense

[balmy condor]

A finishing ability, that you use in single target. You cast it at 4+ cp, like other finishers. For about 20-30 seconds, it increases your damage to the target.

[bleak sky]

tricks of the trade 100% i bet 50g on it

[balmy condor]

Is it rupture?

Is it slice?

[subtle tundra]

find weakness?

[balmy condor]

Is it both?

(It’s both)

[gloomy knoll]

is it garret 1

garret 2

[fallow otter]

Ejaculation

[gloomy knoll]

or possibly

even garret 3

[bleak sky]

that's way too many garrets

[placid cobalt]

@balmy condor does it require you to be in melee range to do damage? does it require you to be even alive to do damage?

[subtle tundra]

but what about garret 4

[gloomy knoll]

you must learn the wae of the garrets brother

[balmy condor]

[gloomy knoll]

the wise ones speak of a

secret

fourth

[balmy condor]

DOES IT REQUIRE YOU TO BE ALIVE

[gloomy knoll]

garret

[earnest remnant]

but you need to be in melee to press rupture aswell

xD

[balmy condor]

Fuck

He got me

[placid cobalt]

yeah u can rupture and die, or get kited, i still don't think ti's the same spell sry

[bleak sky]

he's got that Cast on Death rogue build

massive dps when you die

[limber lion]

"oh I'm about to die, better put my rupture up"

[balmy condor]

I’ll think about it next time I go to raid

[limber lion]

Just don't die

[balmy condor]

Oh fuck mechanics happening

Better not snd

I might die

[placid cobalt]

whatever man u just trolling

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I am

[placid cobalt]

u have even no intention of trying to understand what im saying

[steel ridge]

@balmy condor is the OG troll of #assassination

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

No I understand what you’re saying

[placid cobalt]

bleeds and buffs are the same

[steel ridge]

like guy in outlaw

[balmy condor]

I’m just telling you that what you’re saying is shit

Rupture and slice have no discernible difference in how you play between the two

They alter your rotation in the exact same way

[gloomy knoll]

[balmy condor]

Their damage profile is the same

Their times are similar

[steel ridge]

rupture deals damage at unlimited range

[bleak sky]

AND while you're dead

[balmy condor]

Their priority in the rotation are right next to each other

Like

[steel ridge]

SnD does nothing when you are sitting in a fucking frostnova and read the newspaper

[balmy condor]

The only difference you can quote is “oh no my downtime”

But think about this right

[bleak sky]

oh, quick question while we're talking about rupture

[balmy condor]

Even with downtime

[bleak sky]

(wait let me check the pins)

[placid cobalt]

again, if you think one dimensionally in a world where you have 100% uptime on everything i can agree with you, but for example in pvp they are completely different spells already

[steel ridge]

dont ever check the pins

just ask whisp

[placid cobalt]

so 1: i dont really see the point of your statement, and 2: i genuinely think it is incorrect, im sorry i disagree

[limber lion]

Even in PvP you don't slam a Rupture at 10% hp.

[bleak sky]

k I don't see my question there

[balmy condor]

Who gives a fuck about pvp

[placid cobalt]

you dont, but the target might kite you and die to rupture yeah? which was the statement i got blasted on apparently

[balmy condor]

PvE channel

Pvp’s can go to their shithole channel

[bleak sky]

SO

If your rupture is about to fall off and you only have a 1-2 CPs

Do you reapply rupture or just let it fall off, build a bit more and then apply it again?

is the diff in dps that minimal that you can just let it go?

[earnest remnant]

but if they guy is at 10% and running and you have CP to rupture why would not just envenom and kill him?

[balmy condor]

You maintain rupture

[steel ridge]

thats exactly what it is, a wasteland

[balmy condor]

You maintain snd

They do damage over time

[limber lion]

You maintain everything

At all times.

[balmy condor]

Same ability

[bleak sky]

true, makes sense

yea yea I completely forgot about this whole discussion

[fallow otter]

@balmy condor So was my guess correct?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fallow otter]

I knew it

Is your guild doing some mythic yet or just being heroic Andys and chillin

[balmy condor]

We did achieve run and aotc

Tier done

[bleak sky]

oof

[fallow otter]

Any inspiration of mythic for future for you?

[balmy condor]

Idk

Maybe

[fallow otter]

Just do whatever guild does ?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Pretty much

[fallow otter]

Yeh that's how it usually goes

[balmy condor]

Like I’m not sitting here going “oh fuck can’t raid mythic I’m so bummed man rip want mythic want CE”

I don’t really care

[fallow otter]

Need someone to put in some extra effort for mythic, strat and making sure you got 20

[balmy condor]

Yeah that used to be me

But I cba anymore

Too much work to try and get 6-7 warm bodies pulling 3k dps

[fallow otter]

Hahaha

Yeh

[balmy condor]

And then frustrated prog

While you watch the same people

Make the same mistakes

[fallow otter]

I've been in guilds like that

[balmy condor]

For hours on end

[fallow otter]

It's a real good way to hate raiding

[fallen arch]

Mythic raiding sounds depressing

[earnest remnant]

i enjoy it alot

[balmy condor]

It can be

Getting a group into mythic

[earnest remnant]

love the feeling when final boss drops dead

[balmy condor]

Is awful

[stoic needle]

It sucks if you're in a bad guild

But it's fun if you're in a decent one

[fallen arch]

That already happened at SLG/Sire in my guild in heroic lol

[balmy condor]

Raiding mythic with an established group is fine

[earnest remnant]

agree

[fallow otter]

It's great, but you need certain things in place like good raiders and environmental

[hollow escarp]

I never got CE and I still enjoy mythic raiding

[earnest remnant]

first guild i joined was top 500-800 was a nightmare

[hollow escarp]

every boss down feels good after progressing on it for a while

[brazen rampart]

Having a couple people in the team who clearly aren't for mythic raiding, either because of skill or because they cba doing basic prep, can be really depressing

[earnest remnant]

but where i am now i really enjoy

[hollow escarp]

top 500 nightmare?

[fallow otter]

I ain't no world first race speed but we have decent progression

[fallen arch]

It’s usually the first one, couple of guys just not being able to press buttons properly

[brazen rampart]

We have both

[earnest remnant]

for my taste ye it was a nightmare

[brazen rampart]

[balmy condor]

It’s always the worst when you have like 3-4 people

Who are holding back the other 16

[fallow otter]

Like... We have mythic on farm nearly done in one night, getting people or CE still

So it's chill time

[balmy condor]

And you’re just waiting for those 4 to figure out how to play the game

That’s the worst

[brazen rampart]

^^^^this

[hollow escarp]

the worst is when you are friends with them

[brazen rampart]

You're stuck waiting for mechanics to not target them

[earnest remnant]

my first ever raid tier was EP with a top 500 guild and now just outside of 100

[fallow otter]

Honestly in my experience, bad raiders are usually a recruitment problem because you could have competition for their spots to make them improve/put in more effort or replace them

[fallen arch]

I think that’s true, unless they’re founding members/officers

[gloomy knoll]

that or they're delusional

[brazen rampart]

Yeah but when officers don't recruit more people because "we have enough", that's when you get a problem

[snow breach]

The issue is if your guild isn't attractive you won't get replacements as easily

[gloomy knoll]

people become complacent thinking they're good or they're doing enough when really they're farming it up

[fallen arch]

Couple of guilds I ran with had the worst gm’s / officers but they just recruited better players

[earnest remnant]

ye agree Recruitment should never be closed

[hollow escarp]

"we always accept exceptional players"

[brazen rampart]

Also even the good players lose the will to put in 100% because there's no point

[shy dust]

Just be an exceptional player

[fallow otter]

Officers can be replaced also, in our group, the whole main raid are officers of the Guild. There is no secret chat officer group. It's a good design imo

[shy dust]

If you lose the will to put in 100%

You’re a slacker

[snow breach]

And your guild won't get to be atttactive if the only 20 people you got don't make the cut, so it's tough, easier to just find a guild, get your spot and just be another dps or raider

[gloomy knoll]

i don't know how people go into a boss

[gloomy fern]

I am a slacker

[gloomy knoll]

with the idea of yea i'm just gonna farm this or give 60%

[shy dust]

The “good” player who loses the will to put in 100% because others are struggling

[gloomy knoll]

always tryna do most dam

[shy dust]

Is worse than the person who genuinely struggles

[hollow escarp]

yeah, I just find it funny how most guilds have that in their recruitment. Also whenever I apply I don't even check if they need rogue or not

like who recruits rogues?

[gloomy knoll]

sin is in very good standing so

[shy dust]

Our guild was recruiting rogues

[hollow escarp]

[shy dust]

And we are close to top 100

[gloomy knoll]

any guild who doesn't already have exceptional rogues

before sin buffs yea we sucked but

[fallow otter]

None of our rogues are playing rogue atm lol

[gloomy knoll]

you can argue to bring a rogue easily right now

[hollow escarp]

well, my pov is a few thousands ranks behind

which is more funny because at this level it doesn't even matter what you play

[fallow otter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thaurissan/stunkei

Look at that sorry state of affairs

[shy dust]

That’s a lot of slacking

[hollow escarp]

^

[bleak sky]

tfw guild couldn't kill council due to some bad bad bad dps

[fallow otter]

That's the moment where we realised rogue sucks

Lol

[shy dust]

But rogue was ok for prog

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[shy dust]

It wasn’t the best but it was fine

[gloomy knoll]

i'd say like first 6 bosses it was middle of the pack

[fallow otter]

2fold

[gloomy knoll]

then it fell off

[gloomy fern]

He didn't play iqd

[ionic fox]

Sub is great for council

[gloomy knoll]

until buffs

[ionic fox]

blow up attendents ezpz

[bleak sky]

my first guild this tier had 140 wipes on denathrius heroic

I quit the guild, they had like 100 more

to this day that guild doesn't have AOTC

[hollow escarp]

[gloomy knoll]

heroic guilds exist

[fallow otter]

Brm struggled compared to dh, and havoc sucked so ww was the missing link. 3way jump easy decision

[gloomy knoll]

some guilds prog heroic all tier like people do mythic

[shy dust]

^

[gloomy knoll]

other guilds take like a month maybe two to prog heroic

and then just reclear

my first guild was like that

[gloomy fern]

elitist jerks

[snow breach]

Must be tough having random pugs be better than your guild's raid

[gloomy knoll]

nah you don't really care

just have fun doing heroic

[fallow otter]

@shy dust how are your wwlogs

[shy dust]

Everyone has different goals

[gloomy knoll]

oblivious to mythic content

[shy dust]

My logs on every class are exceptional

[gloomy knoll]

you notice the gear difference maybe but

that's about it

when i was a heroic raider i had no clue what mythic raiding is and i had a blast in heroic

[brazen rampart]

Exceptional player

[fallen arch]

Don’t forget a lot of people just wanna get smashed and raid a bit with buddies. Then Heroic clear is fine

[shy dust]

I’d have a sludge kill if the alt raid stopped playing bad on the boss

[hollow escarp]

been looking for guild on horde after I swapped recently and man, there are so many guilds at 6-8/10 that are either dead or stopped raiding but they recruit for next tier

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[fallow otter]

529? Oh haven't cleared just realised

[bleak sky]

what's that weird font

[gloomy knoll]

it was mostly just like middle aged people who wanted to chill get drunk and play wow

was pretty fun

[fallen arch]

That’s my guild lol

[shy dust]

Yes that’s the character I play for alt raid

[gloomy knoll]

honestly those are some of the funnest guilds

[shy dust]

And that’s just WCL on mobile font

[bleak sky]

I don't understand it either

oh

[gloomy knoll]

usually got tons of active players

just hanging out

on the weekends

[shy dust]

Just apply to tons of guilds

One will say yes

Only takes one yes

[hollow escarp]

I made that mistake in Uldir, my guild quit at aggrammar and ofc we died at Fetid Devourer. Should have realized that if you quit one tier, you probably won't do better next one

[fallow otter]

Yup yup we cbf alt raid. I cannot for the life of me be bothered to change spec and conduit every boss, stupid raid for parse

[shy dust]

It’s not too bad

Just be geared and parsing is a joke

[fallow otter]

Conduit dancing sucks dood

[hollow escarp]

or blame it on kill timer if you get bad logs

[shy dust]

Or die on sludgefist pillar 4

And cry about

Missing out on a 10k dps log

[hollow escarp]

lol

[shy dust]

[heavy trail]

nice.... got a last min toghast in was worried since ive never done it as assassination was pretty easy

[hollow escarp]

[shy dust]

Don’t have to experience the pain of slg if you never prog it

[hollow escarp]

I applied to a guild progressing Sludge but by the time I got a response, they killed it

and now I'm gonna be on SLG prog

[earnest remnant]

atleast slg isnt the same monster as it was before nerfs, i still have nightmares from back then

[hollow escarp]

I don't care

I bought 800 runes

I'm ready for the worst

[shy dust]

What nightmares my guy

It’s still the same shitshow

You contributed nothing as a rogue in the fight anyways

[patent topaz]

I did slg as assa this reclear, was nice tbh. I prefer it to outlaw

[earnest remnant]

i prefer being sat on that boss ngl

[shy dust]

It’s nice in the sense of

You don’t have to play outlaw

[brazen rampart]

Did prog on it as outlaw and it made me hate the spec

[shy dust]

Outlaw is a terrible spec

Hating it means you’re a true rogue

[patent topaz]

we do the slow strat still

[hollow escarp]

that's why you like assa

[patent topaz]

well, it was our last reclear, everyone hates the raid at this point

[brazen rampart]

Seeing the third SnD+leech buff in a row makes me wanna log out

[patent topaz]

then I got killed on sire p3 by the new dude

I hate the gate overlap part

[earnest remnant]

i hate sire in our main raid, having to stop dps 24/7 and everything just getting instant blown up makes the fight so ass

[hollow escarp]

just get buyers

and you don't have to stop dps

[patent topaz]

he gated late I think and neutralized 2 melee

[shy dust]

Having a buyer doesn’t change that

[hollow escarp]

2

[shy dust]

We 19 manned sire and still have to hold dps in p1 and P2

2 might change that

[hollow escarp]

I also hate mechanics that reward your from stopping dps

[fallow otter]

Knocked out of top 100 wtf need sire weaps and phial

[brazen rampart]

3?

[fallow otter]

Send luck

[shy dust]

Feel like at some point

[brazen rampart]

[shy dust]

You just run outta kicks for adds

[brazen rampart]

Fuck that's true

[patent topaz]

I still havent seen a tradeable rogue weapon token

from mythic

[hollow escarp]

vault?

[patent topaz]

or vault

220 daggers gang sucks

[hollow escarp]

me and @gusty mirage god good vault luck after gifting subs to Seliathan

[brazen rampart]

I've seen only one, and it dropped for me

[hollow escarp]

[brazen rampart]

Heroic council weap

[fallow otter]

Me either

[patent topaz]

might join some friend guild for a 6 boss clear to get vaults

[hollow escarp]

I killed council once and got 3 pieces of gear from boss and vault

[brazen rampart]

[hollow escarp]

the weapon as well

[fallow otter]

Once you kill sire, the amount of annoyed you get for each vault doubles

[patent topaz]

indeed

[hollow escarp]

depends on expectations

[brazen rampart]

Just get the token first try and unsub

[fallow otter]

I expect weapons haha

Which is why it's frustrating

[patent topaz]

I only have 2 council kills and 4 sire kills. Took me 12 kills to get a carapace dagger in nya

[fallow otter]

[bleak sky]

but the shoulder drops tho

[patent topaz]

cant complain I guess

I got socketed sire helm from vault and dreadfire drop

[gloomy knoll]

i honestly don't mind slg

[fallow otter]

I've got slg shoulders and sire trinket so it's not the end if the world but you know what it's like I want the other 233 bits to parse

[gloomy knoll]

the intermission phases are just boring and not needed

but other than that it's alright i guess

[patent topaz]

idk I got so tired of the bosses I just wanted to reclear as safe as possible and as quickly as possible

[shy dust]

I’m only in for 3 bosses this week

Then am free

Life is good and dull

[patent topaz]

I was in for 10/10 this week

[fallow otter]

It's only 3 for 2 now isn't it?

[patent topaz]

as I said, people are really fed up with the raid

[fallow otter]

Im always 10, debuff life

[shy dust]

I’m not sure but basically only in for sire/slg

[fallow otter]

Yeh I think it's 1, 3, 9 now

So get the 3rd if you can

[shy dust]

It’s 3-6-9

[fallow otter]

Oh

[shy dust]

For m vault

[fallow otter]

Im galaxy brain 15m left of work

[left abyss]

Does crimson tempest count towards Doomblade

[steel ridge]

it should, but in what content do you mix those two?

[bleak sky]

wasting a gcd and cps on crimson tempest doesn't seem worth it in single target tbh

[low girder]

it is if you take the talent

for other things

ie a dungeon

[hollow escarp]

or even boss

[low girder]

but you wouldn't run doomblade with CT

[bleak sky]

ye but I'm assuming this is a raiding scenario

[hollow escarp]

rank 1 sire did run CT and Doomblade

[low girder]

that is specifically the one scenario

[hollow escarp]

damn, Cev lost rank 1 Sire

to a PI abuser

[fallow otter]

Welcome to parsing in general haha

[low girder]

CT is better on sire, people will catch on eventually

[hollow escarp]

wait

[bleak sky]

I'm stupid and posted US only

[hollow escarp]

I was about to say

lol

[bleak sky]

7 dps diff feelsbadman

[hollow escarp]

the PI made the difference

[bleak sky]

in non-farming situations you run zoldyck right?

for denny

[left abyss]

yea im progressing sire atm, was wondering if it was worth. Also curious as to how hard i can get envenom to hit for, max so far is 21k

[low girder]

depends on the aim. cev ran doomblade on first kill

i'll be running zoldyck

[limber lion]

Yup, sadly it was also the very same day so I didn't get that juicy 100 on my profile either.

[hollow escarp]

oof

[bleak sky]

rip

[hollow escarp]

well you got it on your first kill

so clearly you can get it again

[limber lion]

Yep, fingers crossed we actually kill it once or twice more.

Nothing is certain.

But it's okay. Hopefully our reclear goes smooth tomorrow.

[hollow escarp]

gonna be in for Council?

[limber lion]

Yep.

[hollow escarp]

noice

[limber lion]

We're finishing up achievements for everyone who missed out on them

Before most of the raiders go on a break lol

[sullen pagoda]

get ready for some reprog cuz people are gonna forget how to play after 1 week of a break

[hollow escarp]

first 6 bosses should be one shots

[sullen pagoda]

we had 2 weeks of slamming our heads at sire without kills after first kill

it was

painful to say the least

[limber lion]

Kinda scared for SLG, ngl.

[patent topaz]

we managed 1st reclear just fine, 2nd reclear there were 6 <1% wipes and we extended just sire, 3rd reclear also fine

I blame the extend on me not being in

[sullen pagoda]

the shield explosion duration increased by 1s made SLG kind of less of monkaS tbh

[hollow escarp]

extending on farm

[fallow otter]

Our slg kills getting shorter and shorter

[hollow escarp]

I saw a guild recently that never extends, it's in their wowprogress description

[sullen pagoda]

yikes

imagine reclearing SLG during prog

[hollow escarp]

they haven't got CE since BoD though

and I can see why

[fallow otter]

Reclear tomorrow, hoping it's a 1 night clear, not sure if we have more people to get CE

[sullen pagoda]

i cba'd raiding last week so will still be stuck with 226/220 daggers Sadge

no chance at 233

[hollow escarp]

[gloomy fern]

i am getting a 233 dagger 100% tomorrow

[shy dust]

[hollow escarp]

I hope I get another council token next vault because I'm not gonna see another one this tier

[shy dust]

I deleted a 233 weapon in your honor Mizu

[hollow escarp]

ohh nvm, can get 226 from M+ as well

[shy dust]

Bring it home

[gloomy fern]

didnt tyou do that last week also

or same one applies?

[shy dust]

Same one applies

[gloomy fern]

[sullen pagoda]

its gonna be like carapace dude i think i had like 12 kills before first dagger

[hollow escarp]

wait, you have 3 weapons @shy dust ?

233

[gloomy fern]

he is a pvper

[hollow escarp]

ohh

[shy dust]

I could do it again but I can’t be asked farming 14600 honor

[shy dust]

233 since January

[sullen pagoda]

pvp man cba

well 2.1 was fun on dk in rbgs but playing rogue oof

[hollow escarp]

well

if you had fun with dk

[sullen pagoda]

hey crib go afk on flag or run around in stealth 😴

[shy dust]

Go arena

[hollow escarp]

can't see why you wouldn't with rogue

[shy dust]

Arena was fun to climb in

Rbgs is dull

[sullen pagoda]

i suck at pvp for that shit

[hollow escarp]

don't you also need to be not trash?

[sullen pagoda]

well 2.1 sure could do it if i had will power but 2.4 oof

[shy dust]

You could hit 2.1 early on

Just by abusing ER

[sullen pagoda]

yea i also had skulkers week 1 of hc and i was kyrian

[hollow escarp]

I've slept on that saying I can do it later this tier so I can get the mount

got nerfed 1-2 weeks in the expac

[sullen pagoda]

half of my friends list was spamming me to play 2s

[shy dust]

Could’ve afked to duelist prob

[gloomy fern]

i afked a flag to 2.1k

very strong

[shy dust]

[gloomy fern]

sometime i got bored and watched shows on other screen and lost flag

ppl got mad

[shy dust]

That is hard to resist

Tab out for a few seconds flag is capped

Tab back in retake flag

[gloomy fern]

its pretty fun though if u get to ninja all game

[patent topaz]

on my first eye of the storm I didnt cap the base flag for like 10 seconds

because I thought it was like regular eye

and I lost it once because I was reading something on the other screen, rogue llife

[sullen pagoda]

LUL i did the same kind of i was like wtf where is the capturing progress bar on side when standing close

[gloomy fern]

i was confused the other way around when i played regular bg

[plain zealot]

Hey guys! I have a problem with my assa rogue. Im at 227 ilvl. I switched from Outlaw to Assa few weeks ago.. most time in raid im at blue/purple logs.. but at ilvl% im always grey 😅
I think it depends on my stats (way 2much vers and less crit) but im not sure.. can someone look at my logs and help me find out what im doing wrong? 😊

Logs from yesterday (inerva prog):

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MmrNW3K7DfVktcGX#fight=23&type=damage-done&start=8412868&end=8766142&source=4

[limber lion]

First of all, don't look at ilvl logs. They are awful and very jank.

[sullen pagoda]

yeah ilvl logs are really irrelevant thing

[plain zealot]

Rlly? Oo i thought its better if you at high ilvl cause otherwise the low ilvl count too? Oo

[limber lion]

1. You are wasting A LOT of combo points with Mutilate/Garrote/Shiv. You should NOT use those abilities when you are max cp or max-1

If you have 3 combo points, you mutilate. If you have 4 or 5, you finish.

[north basin]

at 227 ilvl most of the rogues dont progress. they reclear and farm . so ofc in such company of 227-229 people u will be grey.

[limber lion]

2. You let your bleeds drop several times during the encounter. Make sure to have Garrote/Rupture on Inerva at all times. Do not let it drop. You garrote uptime was 84%, it should be closer to 98-99%

3. You missed out on several Shiv casts. You need to press Shiv on cooldown, regardless of your energy/combo points.

[north basin]

wait this dude have 233 weapons. he should be good

[limber lion]

You might want to pool BEFORE Shiv, but not when it's already off cooldown. You do that before it.

[north basin]

-=-

[plain zealot]

Hmm ok.. i wasnt sure about the cp.. sometimes i dont know if i should use garrote to refresh (when drop) even with 5cp or just finish and refresh after

[limber lion]

4. You need to use Flagellation on cooldown as well. You do not sync it with Vendetta, unless you know you're not going to miss a cast. You lost 1 Flag because you didn't use it on cooldown.

[north basin]

btw on the side note. u did 2400 rating in rbg i guess and not arenas?

[limber lion]

You refresh bleeds during the pandemic window, not when they drop.

[hollow escarp]

use pandemic weakauras for garrote/rupture to make it easier to remember when you have to refresh

[plain zealot]

@north basin yes ofc in rbg. I hatd arena 😅

[hollow escarp]

most top WA sets have pandemic settings also

[north basin]

ok. now i understand

[plain zealot]

Seems like i have to improve many stuff there.. thx a lot guys! 😊

[hollow escarp]

arena skill doesn't really transfer to pve skill either, I had a pvp rogue in my guild that was never pressing sepsis because "mastery is bad"

he was 2500 in arena

[north basin]

rare

[hollow escarp]

for sure

usually it's easier for pvp players to get into pve

[north basin]

in my opinion if u 2400+ at arena . u have nothing to ask from pve boiz

[hollow escarp]

than the other way around

yeah

[limber lion]

lmao

no.

PvE and PvP are both completely different games

and work completely differently

[north basin]

yea. still

[limber lion]

Rotation is different

You do different things

You focus on different things

You don't care about capping

You don't care about wasting combo points

You don't care about bleed uptime

Everything is different

[north basin]

if u manage to be in 0.5% of pvp . u can analyze pve in a week and achieve same results

[limber lion]

Being a high rated player in PvP does NOT translate to being good in PvE.

No, incorrect.

100% incorrect.

[plain zealot]

I played assa at WoD last time dude. So i just have to learn the specc again 😅

[sullen pagoda]

I mean pve is definitely much easier than pvp lets not kid ourselfs

[north basin]

iam talking about mindset

[shy dust]

I don’t think that’s even a debate

[sullen pagoda]

i dont think its a week but really quick you would be up to speed on pve

[north basin]

not rotation etc.

[sullen pagoda]

pve is just too basic / scripted its more about time investment and commitment to raiding times than "skill"

[shy dust]

It’s disingenuous to say you don’t have to care about all those things

You do have to know your rotation

As in to do the most optimal damage

To do your burst correctly

[north basin]

yea

[shy dust]

To maintain your bleeds ofc

[bleak sky]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[north basin]

0.5% arena guys are super minmaxer. there is no occasional luckers there. like in rbg

[shy dust]

Just because it’s not as set in stone as pve doesn’t mean you don’t care for it

[bleak sky]

got a link for one of those?

[hollow escarp]

you just linked them

I use Afenar

[limber lion]

Yeh you definitely do, I was just exaggerating to get the point across.

PvP is a much harder environment than raiding and I don't think that's debatable.

[hollow escarp]

I mean, I've seen pvp streamers going with wound poison in mythic plus

not a huge dps loss

but still

[sullen pagoda]

well thats more of them not caring

and being boosted for weekly

[north basin]

this

[bleak sky]

oh I thought pandemic weakauras was a specific thing, thanks

[sullen pagoda]

tbh PvE players biggest quality is how fast can he adapt to new boss and be consistent at new mechanics

[hollow escarp]

no, it's just a trigger to flash when dot on target is below 30% duration

[sullen pagoda]

rotation and shit is really irrelevant part that anyone who actually cares should be good at

[north basin]

if u reapply under 5sec left its ok i think in 95% of cases. no need some specific wa

[brisk forge]

Dont do same misstake twice and u can do top pve content

[hollow escarp]

so 90% of wow players don't care about improving at all?

that might actually be true though

[sullen pagoda]

its probably true yea

[bleak sky]

Yeah that's what I've been doing

[sullen pagoda]

@brisk forge ive played with lots of players that are top of their class dmg wise but actual monkeys that makes us pull boss 50 times more cuz they cant do mechanics

but you check logs oh 99 100 big gamer

[north basin]

i just thought about specific pandemic WA , but on the second thought i didnt want another flashy stuff on my screen)

so i dropped it

[hollow escarp]

you can probably drop it after you get used to the spec

[north basin]

or this ye

[hollow escarp]

because you already know when you wanna reapply

sometimes I reapply rupture at 8-10 sec left

just because I have shiv after

[north basin]

ye on sludge u wanna prepare BIG for pillar and u reaaply at different timings than usual . for example

[hollow escarp]

yeah, reapplying dots on SLudge is

on pillar I mean

[bleak sky]

feelsbadman

[low girder]

doesn't this apply to literally anything

"be good and you'll be good at stuff"

[north basin]

git gud

yea

[hollow escarp]

it feels bad when you don't see your mistakes

even if they happen

[brisk forge]

Ofc but i just meantion what seperate good from bad

[sullen pagoda]

@low girder yea thats true but its more in a sense of you got 19 other people in raid waiting on you to get it right

[north basin]

well lets be honest, analyzing its not common raiders feature.

[low girder]

that goes for most people

it's not like people doing arena at 1500 are making different mistakes every time

self-analyzing is hard

[hollow escarp]

don't you love it when you have 30 clean pulls and then when everybody gets the mechanic, you die to the basic mechanic?

[sullen pagoda]

that happens just dont be the guy to die 5 times in a row to that

like massacre p2 i swear

some people

[low girder]

dude the first time you ever die to a massacre as a melee

feels so fucking bad

lmao

[sullen pagoda]

yea i think i got hit twice by it total and both times was me greeding boss uptime like pepega

[low girder]

i got my camera stuck on the mirror edge

[hollow escarp]

we had on dark recital a hunter that died like every other pull

[low girder]

feelsbadman

[sullen pagoda]

@hollow escarp i swear dude its hunters always

[hollow escarp]

squishy class

[sullen pagoda]

was watching friends prog this and last week i dont think their hunter left p2 ever without bress

[hollow escarp]

tbf, it's a bit hard when it's unavoidable damage

because they are indeed squishy

but dying to avoidable mechanics has nothing to do with the class

[sullen pagoda]

yea p1 we had our hunters having problems surviving choke me daddy mechanic

[north basin]

imagine going top dps on 40 tries. and then on kill u die coz someone made mistake and dragged u in xD

rip logs

[hollow escarp]

those are memorable kills

[lavish stirrup]

hey, how does on play mythic huntsman as Assas? do you keep garrot up on both the boss and the bear?

seems like a waste of envenom buff sometimes

[hollow escarp]

all bleeds

[sullen pagoda]

our first sire kill my log was ruined cuz i was afk on pull checking log replay from pull before as dk... rip my pad

[lavish stirrup]

k

and vendetta on boss only right

or bear but I mean not shades (although tempting for them logs)

[hollow escarp]

not shades for sure

bears are not a bad vendetta target

but depends on fast you kill 3rd bear

because the boss takes extra damage when no bears are alive

so if you can get a vendetta there, that might be better value

I don't remember getting a vendetta in the damage amp phase

[wise gull]

hold vendetta for damage amp for max pad

[hollow escarp]

for our kills the boss had low hp when we killed Hecutis

so vendetta would have been a waste

[sullen pagoda]

they share hp

[hollow escarp]

there is no other bear in damage amp though

[lavish stirrup]

amp means?

[hollow escarp]

amplifier

[wise gull]

the boss always has the same hp when hec dies he means

[sullen pagoda]

ye but boss should be around same hp every time when last bear dies or am i mistaken

ye

[hollow escarp]

[wise gull]

i need to get over this nervousness on sire

my p2 dam is scuffed

[hollow escarp]

that's why I can't get more than 7.5k dps on Huntsman

one of the reasons at least

[wise gull]

i keep panic stressing and it's fucking me

[sullen pagoda]

just get all the PIs like me and still scuff the log Sadge

[lavish stirrup]

only did it once and I thought I maintained the rotation etc all right but I finished at a low 6k

not venthyr and had to soak but still

[wise gull]

im trialing rn and im just trying to not int mechanics

i get so nervous my hands start shaking and shit

it sucks

[sullen pagoda]

p2 just make sure to have bleeds rolling and u chilling

[wise gull]

a big part is that ive only been in for like 15 pulls

its the guild that max coaches and i don't want him to yell at me

[sage fern]

Hey guys is there a minimum amount of haste required for playing the Deeper Strategem talent?
I'm sitting at 18% haste and it sometimes feels so slow, especially at the opener or when cleaving at huntsman

[wise gull]

nope

that's just how it feels

[sage fern]

aight

[wise gull]

afaik you can/should run EP/Vigor on huntsman though

[sage fern]

i see. gonna check that in the logs

How much hate do the top guys run with anyways? 18% does not seem that much. I also have a lot of crit (27%)

[sullen pagoda]

big hate

[carmine garnet]

does anyone know if necro's class ability benefits off the mastery?

[hazy crater]

Yeah but not sudden fractures

As far as I know

[bleak sky]

• THERE IS NO REQUIRED STATS FOR SIN STOP WORRYING ABOUT SECONDARIES SO MUCH

directly from the pinned messages

[sage fern]

sryyy

thx!

[digital zodiac]

Anyone know if we can utilise immunities / cheat death for dancing fever on Council mythic?
i.e. will not jumping kill us through cheat death?

[steel ridge]

exactly, just go all versa and facetank

[limber lion]

I have 12% 🙂

[gloomy fern]

i got 100%

[bleak sky]

but why

It goes through DH's Last Resort and kael's trinket, so I think it should go through cloak/cheat death as well

It's not damage it's just a "you're dead now" kinda thing

[fallen arch]

That’s a lot of hate

[silk zinc]

Is it obligatory to run subterfuge in dungeon enviroment?

[hollow escarp]

not really, but it's probably the best option

[strange python]

u silence mobs with that so i think ye. plus massively improves garrote dmg and it's on 3 targets

[silk zinc]

I am pretty newish so I am just having a hard time getting used to it

[limber lion]

You literally just use 3 garrotes whenever you open on packs, that's how Subterfuge works.

On 4 mobs your opener is literally: Garrote - Garrote - Garrote - Garrote - CT

[silk zinc]

Fine, thanks then

[gloomy fern]

But on 5 mobs???

[agile geode]

What dp you think bout new soulbinds for 9.1?

It seems like kyrian op

I would not rejoin that shit covenant

[limber lion]

Can't really say as they are not complete and the numbers are not finalized.

Anything could change. So, who knows.

[agile geode]

I hope they dont umbalance too much

I Would like to remain necro

[sage fern]

Garrote & CT is always my 1&2 best dps. Also vanishing to re-apply 3 Garrotes is really pushing dps.
I would say yes, always go for it

[silk zinc]

Oh well, thank you!

[hollow river]

On 3-4+ mobs, what about SnD?

[fallen arch]

You usually have that refreshed from last pack

Otherwise, refresh when there’s 2-3 targets left I guess

[void gazelle]

For M+ MA is the best legendary?

[fallen arch]

I’d say Zoldyck, but MA works too yea

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is the best especially in higher keys.

[fallen arch]

Bloodmallet btw gives Bloodfang the most dps in hectoc add cleave

Anyone can back that up?

[void gazelle]

Anyone tested the talent which stacking dmg for fan of knives? With MA in M+ i guess its a good burst opener

[fallen arch]

Will never beat CT I think

[fallen fable]

@void gazelle tested it on Sire HC, on adds in p1 its sick...

Its acctually only worth playing there as u will have 1-3 GCD before adds are down, and then knifes replenish again for new adds..

[void gazelle]

Good idea, I struggle tó do dmg on p1 anyway

[gloomy fern]

why do apl do a 4 cp finisher in opener with ds

[fallen arch]

Exactly the phase at sire tho where you don’t struggle

[fallen fable]

@fallen arch well unless everyone else is shit u wont do any dmg without knifes talent.

[fallen arch]

True, but then again, that talent is quite useless for all of p2 and p3

[fallen fable]

Not totally. But yeah probably worse than CT or Pb

Big players playing it so.i guess its worth. As even adds in p2 going down quickly so bleeds and poisons wont do much on them

[wary pawn]

we use phantom fire pot or agi pot? also 2x sharpened for raid? first time raiding as sin

[gloomy fern]

depends if you are a gamer or not

[hollow escarp]

refined palate gamer?

[gloomy fern]

i started the palate into nadja gaming

[hollow escarp]

is that pre-pull opener?

[gloomy fern]

yes

[hollow escarp]

I cba

[gloomy fern]

very benificial in short fights

[hollow escarp]

and if you don't wipe

[gloomy fern]

i guess it can be a bit expensive on prog

[hollow escarp]

a lot

[gloomy fern]

more of a farm and parse kind of thing

[hollow escarp]

for sure

[gloomy fern]

well tomes is under 100g now