assassination

[solar flicker]

i do that and delay for 2nd add set in p2

do u get 2 vendettas p2 if u use on the first set?

[gloomy knoll]

why are people going necro lul

[gusty mirage]

because it's good if there's more than 1 target

[gloomy knoll]

eh i prefer my +150 st dps

[solar flicker]

isnt it nuts in pvp too

[gloomy knoll]

makes us compete with spriests

[shy dust]

Optimizations

That make it closer in st

[solar flicker]

[gloomy knoll]

where

[gloomy fern]

Well if u just vendetta on cd in p1 u get it perfect for 2nd add then hold p3

[shy dust]

I’ll keep those secret

👀

[solar flicker]

yea thats what i do rn

[gloomy knoll]

show or u thot

[solar flicker]

2 vendettas p1 but

2nd one im afk half of it since the boss is too low

[patent topaz]

I got told to not use 2nd vendetta in p1

we already have to stop dps anyway

[solar flicker]

yea but if ur assigned for 2nd add there isnt a point in holding rofl

[gloomy fern]

Well u don't need it for anything but gloom/dusk p2

So holding is just waste

[patent topaz]

yes but my raid lead told me to not use it so I dont use it

simple as that

[gloomy fern]

You are just a Lil bitch

[patent topaz]

we literally dont hit the boss when it comes up

[solar flicker]

following raid lead's orders goes against class fantasy

[patent topaz]

it is what it is

[gloomy knoll]

necro still bout 100 behind

[gusty mirage]

shadowgrasp totem is kinda dope

ngl

I wasn't a believer, but I am now

[ornate lake]

Saw some players in top 10 with it.

How does it work in rotation?

[gusty mirage]

I just drop it on CD

[stoic needle]

with the new tech necro is within 1% of venthyr

[gusty mirage]

haven't tested in m+ but I feel like it'll be a PIA with all the kiting necessary to time anything above a 14

might just hang out with my ooze buddies in m+

[ornate lake]

II got my oozes in raid for st

Decanter for m+

[gusty mirage]

never even seen a decanter drop all expac, even back in the heroic days

also I hate sanguine so I'll probably never farm it tbh

[stoic needle]

i had one for a little while, it's meh

[ornate lake]

It's not ideal for sure. But haven't been lucky on trinkets. Never a Phial in vault either

[stoic needle]

same

[ornate lake]

Maybe if a shadow totem drops I'll test some stuff out. Not much to do now anyway

[gloomy knoll]

what is new tech

@stoic needle

[shy dust]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

#tc-research stuff that koji mentioned

[shy dust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P8J9QzA7wrjgRvbp#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=133

[balmy condor]

with sbs during gemstone

[shy dust]

Wtf did my Iqd proc

Is that the guy who taunts?

[balmy condor]

let's find out

hold on

[gloomy knoll]

i don't see it

do you just dump spikes during stone proc?

[shy dust]

Yes

[balmy condor]

yep

[shy dust]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

popped decoy

[shy dust]

That was within lust I used it?

Hmmm

[balmy condor]

appears so, yes

[gloomy knoll]

what's it make the diff in st

[balmy condor]

idk maybe the decoy has prio over lust stat

[shy dust]

Could be rhat

[balmy condor]

oh maybe it was in here?

[shy dust]

Yeah he posted it here

Never to tc channels I believe

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[gloomy knoll]

1% behind

we stay venth

until ptr decides our fate

[stoic needle]

something something thrillseeker simbait

[shy dust]

PRACTICALITY

[gloomy knoll]

big st boi

[iron orchid]

thrillseeker even more simbait on ptr ?

[gloomy knoll]

yeehaw

venthyr go brrr

[stoic needle]

where have you been homie

[balmy condor]

simbait

[iron orchid]

Lost on an enh shaman and a fury warrior

[balmy condor]

we don't use such words

[stoic needle]

now you get a 20% crit or vers proc at the end of thrill seeker

[stoic needle]

[gloomy knoll]

brainbait

[iron orchid]

Since my M+ team fell down

[iron orchid]

Yeah, that I read when I woke up one hour ago

That looks appealing compared to other covenants' stuff

If you have 30% crit, get 20% more through the soulbind, and vanish with MA talent, you get 100%

Now just line it up

[shut leaf]

What is this 51% buff on ptr?

[stoic needle]

that's our mastery

[stoic needle]

sounds like a worse version of iqd

[patent topaz]

looks like the aura buff assa has

[stoic needle]

err yeah aura buff

idk why i said mastery

[iron orchid]

did yall already discuss incoming soulbind changes ?

I'm probably late but I was sleeping bruh

[stoic needle]

only a tiny bit

fatal flaw seems powerful, herimir's bonuses seem also powerful

the kyrian one also seems good

it's hard to tell what will be best until they're implemented in sims

[iron orchid]

Same thoughts here

[shut leaf]

Isnt that a big buff?

[stoic needle]

if i had to guess, i would say that necro will be best

[iron orchid]

I guess so

[stoic needle]

nothing has changed, our aura is always 51%

Err it has been for a while

[iron orchid]

Do we know what the soulbind trees will look like or we just get to see new soulbind abilities ?

[stoic needle]

you can see everything on the ptr

most trees get at least double potency now, some get triple

[iron orchid]

nvm, I found it on wowhead

[balmy condor]

Not a buff

That’s just adding the pvp talent in

The aura is still 51%

As it has been

[stoic needle]

heirmir's execute and mastery buff on top of gemstones seems kinda giga

[thorny glen]

got a quick question for AOE conduits im using the fan of knives 1 cant decide on second bteween lashing or lethal posion

[shut leaf]

Ah okey

[balmy condor]

You should use lashing before any other conduit

[thorny glen]

kk thx

[balmy condor]

Lashing is the only reason venthyr is strong atm

Tbh

Like if you aren’t running lashing

[shy dust]

Is

[balmy condor]

Just don’t play venthyr

[shy dust]

Necro profile

Running lashing or wod

Wps*

[balmy condor]

SF I thought

But could be wps

[shy dust]

Lashing Jesus I’m dumb

prayers it’s sf

For the large cleave

[stoic needle]

sf sims pretty close to LP and WPS for me

so i'll probably be running that

gotta power through a lfr + heroic for some renown tomorrow

[torn atlas]

I thankfully burnt through lfr before reset so should be good for some more renown farming tonight. Only would up at ~23 after campaign, callings and lfr.

[lavish stirrup]

is grim codex good in mm+?

[clever vapor]

I was offered a 226 IQD and I wonder if I should pick it up. Is it bothersome using it, or do you just use it on cd?

[cunning needle]

use it to help out your healer 🙃

[gusty adder]

Making my doomblade today, which item would you replace, 220 shoulders from generals or 220 haste/vers gloves off HoA? (I will not be killing mythic generals)

probably shoulders to maximise haste?

[stoic needle]

yes you should get the 2nd best trinket in the game currently

[lavish stirrup]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

iqd isnt bothersome to use at all, especially with the weakaura

you're guaranteed to get highest stat in lust and nearly guaranteed to get stats on pull

[sinful cradle]

anyone knows how long you have to wait for the second quest of swapping covenants to pop up at oribos?

[stoic needle]

1 reset

[stoic needle]

sim it with 226 haste/crit shoulders and gloves

and compare

[sinful cradle]

so If i started it on monday it should be up now right

the thing is, its not and thats what confuses me

[stoic needle]

did you turn in the first part on monday?

[sinful cradle]

yep same day

[stoic needle]

weird

[sinful cradle]

wanted to be necrolord for reclear this week, guess its not happening

[stoic needle]

imagine reclearing

[sinful cradle]

One day you'll get there friend

[desert birch]

Am i stupid

Or is this a big fat buff? 😅

[stoic needle]

no, that's our normal spec aura

[desert birch]

Oh phew 😅

[balmy condor]

Time for a pin

This is not a buff. This is adding a pvp talent to our unchanged spec aura. Aura’s are hidden buffs to the entire spec used as a balancing knob. Sin’s has been 51% since the last 5% buff.

[balmy condor]

I’ll remove that in a couple days when the wowhead hype calms down prolly

[desert birch]

Total noob - what does sin stand for?

[low girder]

assassination

[desert birch]

Why dont we call it ass? 🤣

[strange python]

only the higher class folk can call it ass

[compact pumice]

Its just better than calling the spec ass and shorter than saying assass

[low girder]

the europeans generally call it assa, in my experience

[compact pumice]

I mean, it works though. “What’s your specialization? Ass”

[solar flicker]

so how big is the buff whispyr i cant read

[strange python]

well im going to be switching covenant for the 4th time on my rogue

lets go necro pog

[balmy condor]

Hopefully this picture helps explain the size of the buff

[shy dust]

I will decipher these moon runes

And unlock the path of 16 buffs on one boss

[low girder]

The secrets to sub buffs lie within.

[fathom swift]

thats mmoc not wowhead 😠

[slender berry]

In the fifth line the bird shouldn't be standing small mistake

[balmy condor]

We all make typos

[sullen pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/CqqeXDi.png @limber lion @balmy condor k now do i listen to you nerds and go for iqd

[shy dust]

The fact I’m not being @

When I originally spread the word of PI

Hurts me

[balmy condor]

@shy dust does he go iqd

[shy dust]

I only see 1 option in that mans vault

IQD 🌚 📈

[versed mica]

naw dreadfire best trinket

[vestal wren]

low effort meme:

[sullen pagoda]

thing is i need the cloak

i have vessel 233 already

[solar flicker]

I have a 233 dread/226 phial and 226 iqd is an upgrade according to droptomizer

Rae hacked the apl

[versed mica]

iqd cringe

[shy dust]

📈📈📈

[vestal wren]

iqd is quite consistent if you use the weakaura

[versed mica]

except my guild has a bad healer that blows their mana so I accidentally give them more mana

[hazy crater]

Yeah, and then 0,1sec before I press IQD the proc changes to heal Happened on P3 dena

[compact pumice]

Most trinkets are more consistent

[sullen pagoda]

@hazy crater hah i know the feeling, not p3 sire since hes not in my group but

any other fight

10s into fight i see big MANA on my dk

[vestal wren]

parse goes 📉

[sullen pagoda]

[hazy crater]

https://gyazo.com/1a86a637283228d6a40e64597867102c

[sullen pagoda]

wait how did that happen on sire

did paladin go oom

[hazy crater]

no it healed

[sullen pagoda]

or u actually have a disc

oh

[cloud crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[sullen pagoda]

@shy dust https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c1YQzQ7ect7XtAFyHDMEhN IQD 9 dps gain

[hazy crater]

5min sim doesn't sync IQD with vendetta

so its more really

[sullen pagoda]

ok ill go for 3min 1s

[fallow otter]

Not when it hands it mana

[shy dust]

What are your stats @sullen pagoda

Is haste highest stat

Looking at your gear crit probably is

But PI plus Iqd 👀

[balmy condor]

Crit

Is his highest

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/suW9qL27b8m5nXN8UeUvnQ

o ye that 3min

IQD

popping off like gamestop stock

[hazy crater]

Yeah, honestly someone should fix the APL with IQD but I guess it's just too minor thing

Most people do 5min sims

[clever vapor]

Is zoldyck better than MA on higher mythic+ keys?

[sonic schooner]

not playing phial + vessel feelsweirdman

[limber lion]

IQD for the boys

[sullen pagoda]

man i hate you guys

my brain is telling me pick cloak my heart is telling me take IQD

[shy dust]

Take the Iqd

📈

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with it

[hazy crater]

Doesn't sync IQD with vendetta on fight lenghts that you would not lose an IQD cast

[limber beacon]

Hey im new here. Is there any good Assa rotation guide for m+ aoe and st? also i dont know which lego i should craft first.

[balmy condor]

Okay but it does that

So I ask again

What’s wrong with it?

[hazy crater]

Oh it has been fixed, nvm then

[balmy condor]

A while ago, yes

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Any of those are good

The pins also have info

For legendaries

[hazy crater]

doesnt look like it. 5min sim

[sullen pagoda]

sorry boys i went for cloak

[limber lion]

Don't be sorry, everyone makes mistakes sometimes.

[balmy condor]

What the

[limber lion]

[hazy crater]

So no need to ask again whats wrong with it

[balmy condor]

The apl is literally coded to not do that

[sullen pagoda]

this is 2nd time i have IQD as option in vault ill get it again trust @limber lion

[balmy condor]

Why would it do that

[sullen pagoda]

and i have it on shaman and on dk

im IQD magnet

the chosen one

[hazy crater]

it probably doesnt recognize IQD as a "stat use" trinket

[limber lion]

What the hell, gimme some of that luck

:p

[limber beacon]

so Doomblade is still the best 1. Lego to build?

[dim temple]

3 items all 226 and all other is 220 and noting just noting and still no web

[balmy condor]

It should for non-execute

I’ll look into a fix

[hazy crater]

Cool 👍

[dim temple]

if it was not for my guild.. it be gone 🙂

[fickle trout]

Somebody got a BiS Trinket List?

[balmy condor]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[fickle trout]

thx

[balmy condor]

Np

[balmy condor]

For single target yeh

[uneven plume]

Question

I have a 226 shadowgrasp totem

Blood mallet says it’s top trinket

Better than skulkers

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[uneven plume]

Thoughts?

[balmy condor]

Thoughts on what

[uneven plume]

It’s actually better?

[balmy condor]

Does it sim higher for you?

[uneven plume]

Haven’t tried actually

Thought it was a shitter trinket

[balmy condor]

It is not

[uneven plume]

A mistcaller type of trinket

Lmaooo

[balmy condor]

It’s very good

[uneven plume]

I’ll sim it

[low girder]

range is like 50 yds or so, so as long as you're not popping it as you're going through a mirror on sire or something

[uneven plume]

On m sludge

[low girder]

it's good

[uneven plume]

Currently

[fallow otter]

Scales with haste

[balmy condor]

Yuh

Especially good on venthyr

[low girder]

i passed on a 226 before we knew it scaled with haste

[fallow otter]

I've got one waiting in my vault, side grade but gonna grab it just to try it for last boss of DoS

Coz bored of current content

[limber lion]

[sterile sinew]

[digital zodiac]

does it sound right that 226 shadowgrasp out sims 226 skulkers??

on a patchwork sim

[fallow otter]

Scroll up a bit

It scales with haste

Ie. Yep especially if venth

[dawn ivy]

i got totem first week i came back to rogue and was pissed that i had to use it because it was the only 226 i had, little did i know it was just BiS

[digital zodiac]

cant find it, but wow okay cool

does raidbotws sim it with my haste value included?

[fallow otter]

Totem = shadowgrasp

[digital zodiac]

and also can it have a chance to crit on its procs?

[fallow otter]

Yes

This is the change in raidbots that made us realise its good

[digital zodiac]

ahhh

well thats pretty sweet 😄

And ppl are still running Nadjia with lashing scars for ST?

[limber lion]

Yes

[stoic needle]

Imagine not being stinky

Hmm, ep/vigor simming only 20 dps less than bs/ds for me now that I'm stinky

[turbid prawn]

I somehow dealt 24k with envenom in ToP but I'm still trying to figure out how :/

[stoic needle]

🤔

Pride?

[velvet bridge]

+necro buff?

[stoic needle]

Oh the damage buff from the first boss maybe?

From the duel

[turbid prawn]

it's 10% from buff and necro banner?

[limber lion]

Try simming cleave add

[stoic needle]

Is the gap even smaller then?

[low girder]

yeah

cleave makes EP/vigor pretty strong

[stoic needle]

Seems like it's just better overall then

[turbid prawn]

I made a shadowplay clip and I had pride buff and no banner I think, no duel buff either

[low girder]

pride + shiv with doomblade would probably be enough tbh

[stoic needle]

Wild hunt tactics is another 10%

[turbid prawn]

legendary mutilate bleed also counts to the 5% ?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[turbid prawn]

I see, probably had best case scenario for i t

[stoic needle]

Gar rup doom blade ct is 20%

[turbid prawn]

I usually get to 13k

[stoic needle]

I think my biggest crit with no external damage buffs is like 18k in raid

[pure moth]

Anyone know how ambush is being cast here when they aren't in stealth? Based on time stamps, hes clearly not in stealth. Also, hes playing Ep; so i know its not a blindside proc

[turbid prawn]

is he night fae?

[pure moth]

yes

[turbid prawn]

it grants you 1 use of stealth ability after duration ends

[pure moth]

oh oops! So not playing blindside, this will be the only way to use ambush then; or the timing was just perfect for a 5cp without overcapping

[warped marlin]

hey, i am new to this server 🙂

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's probably the reason a lot of people are using EP/Vigor on most bosses.

[warped marlin]

i hav a question: did i reach my haste cap?

[limber lion]

There are no haste caps my boy

I mean, technically 126% is a haste cap.

But you won't be getting that with any combination of gear ever.

[stoic needle]

You probably do have way too much haste though

31% haste as venthyr seems bad

You want crit

[turbid prawn]

stat weights are from the simbot right?

[stoic needle]

Yeah you want crit

[warped marlin]

yes

[simple gulch]

hands or shoulders for doomblade?

[stoic needle]

Thrill seeker and flagellation give you enough haste that 31% on gear isn't necessary

[stoic needle]

Hands

[warped marlin]

shoulders

[stoic needle]

[simple gulch]

That's contradictory lmao

[warped marlin]

okay

[stoic needle]

Check the pins

Slg shoulders being 233 means you want them on hands

[thorny glen]

if im spec'd crimson tempetst for M+ I still use it on boses for the extra DPS right?

[compact pumice]

Hmm. EP/Vigor sims -45 for me. Did you say it got better with some gear?

Oh wait you said as Necro

[stoic needle]

It got better by switching to necrolord

[compact pumice]

Ah.

Didn’t you drop a bit for ST though?

[stoic needle]

If I had to guess it's something about sbs filling the role that BS did and not having the haste to make ds as attractive

Yeah I dropped about 200 dps, but it'll be lower because koji found some sbs optimizations

Dropped 200 st to gain like 300+ in aoe

[turbid prawn]

what does slg mean?

[stoic needle]

Stone legion generals

[turbid prawn]

ty, ... whoops

[stoic needle]

I mean at the end of the day it's like 30 dps

And there will be 233 gear in 9.1

[turbid prawn]

ah then it's all good :)

[compact pumice]

Didn’t 9.1 go up 27 ilevels? I think someone mined something like that

[stoic needle]

I think the gloves look cooler :P

[compact pumice]

Which is bananas

[sullen pagoda]

@turbid prawn only advantage of having it on hands is 233 shoulders but if you aint doing SLG mythic u aint got shit to worry

[simple gulch]

Yeah

I aint doing slg mythic

doesn't matter

[turbid prawn]

amazing, I'm not big fan of raiding mythic either

[stoic needle]

It does, but that's actually less than in prior expansions. The final bosses have higher ilvl again but I haven't checked to see what exact slots are there

[compact pumice]

Tbh I think each tier should only go up like 7 ilevels. Makes mythic nathria still relevant compared to the new heroic tier etc.

[sullen pagoda]

theres problem of hc not being relevant

on start then

[compact pumice]

Not for the mythic clearers, but they wanna do the new mythic anyway so

But for HC only it’s a healthy upgrade then

[simple gulch]

what are the stats for doomblade?

[stoic needle]

The end bosses of heroic will be worth it for mythic raiders

Crit haste or haste vers

[simple gulch]

ty

[low girder]

Every tier having that small an increase on the same difficulty either makes the raid way easier for the people who clear quickly (within a month) or way harder for everyone else

[subtle steppe]

So, how many will be re-rolling Necro for raiding?

in 9.1

[strange python]

i rerolled necro already

going to have every covenant at 40 once im done

🙂

[sinful cradle]

same

[strange python]

whats the reason to roll for 9.1 tho

[subtle steppe]

Mnemonic Equipment
When you damage an enemy that's below 35% health, 3% of the damage done is repeated over 5 seconds.

Healing an ally grants them the ability to have their damage repeat this way at 30% effectiveness for 5 sec. Limit 2

[strange python]

didnt pretty much every covenant get like a 3 % dmg meme

[subtle steppe]

Some of them are utter shit

with heimir you can get:
3% agility

18% crit strike (Heimir's Arsenal: Marrowed Gemstone)

152 mastery in openers - stacking 5 times (Carver's Eye)

3% damage done repeated over 5 seconds on targets below 35% (combined with Zoldyck Insignia)

(18% crit for 10 seconds) possible every 60 seconds

[heavy trail]

So like was in key with a few folks and the tank kept pulling mounds of mobs into fights (Plaguefall) and I was never able to restealth to do damage much outside of vanish... then he starts going on about how I am taking too much damage and shouldn't stand in stuff. I checked details and I was the lowest out of everyone and was always trying to cc / save folks from all the spitefuls that were occurring simultaneously. While I wasn't perfect I did same level dungeons before we a tank that was't pulling like that and we did great +2s so far. I am completely lost on how it became my fault lol

[honest karma]

That is really annoying, tanks doing wierd chainpulls that makes everything go slower, Even without rogues in the group
Tell him to calm down abit so u can restealth and go faster and /or just ignore him and finnish the Key

[strange python]

mm shadowgrasp is like 50 dps ahead of iqd with me

as necro

as venthyr would u cast it on thrill proc

or whatever the haste meme was called

[runic sequoia]

2x oil or 2x sharpening stone for raid purpose?

Or mix?

[heavy trail]

yeah did another one to restore my confidence back haha. I mean what you said was the big issue, it was way too hectic for a pug and it was plaguefal kept aggroing random shit

[prisma perch]

training on the dummy is this legit?

overall 4.4k on 524k dmg

[wheat whale]

So, I've rerolled to Night Elf. Should I be getting a raid for Daytime or Nighttime?

[deft fractal]

hope this is a joke

[limber lion]

Usually 2x Sharpening stone and Spectral Agility potion. But you can use the sim below to sim it yourself

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[undone eagle]

This m+ week is one of the easiest push week ever no?

🤣

[limber lion]

It's okay, not the best for Assa though because of Spiteful not allowing for easy restealths.

[runic sequoia]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[runic sequoia]

Thanks!

[undone eagle]

Well thats tru @limber lion but i always kidney shot my ghost and kill it fast

So i find no problems with it

And if the tank mega pull and we kill everything so i get like 3-4 ghosts i just vanish

If its like sanguine

Dungeon

[tulip nacelle]

yoz vanish and let them kill your team cause they just insta switch?

[sinful cradle]

noway you're not using vanish to get subterfuge / nightstalker

during a pack

[limber lion]

Using vanish to escape spiteful ghosts is pretty troll

[undone eagle]

Well i used to be night elf so i use meld instead

I miss it already, now im belf

Havent tried spiteful on belf , thsts why i plan to do vanish

Guess not lul

Imma just FoK kite TK them

[heavy trail]

Am I doing something wrong but generally speaking when I meld/stealth I don't seem to get my leggo recactivated or sub bonus, well in keys in packs it seems to work if i do a test outside of being engaged with multiple mobs

[undone eagle]

You mean the crit gain?

From MA?

@heavy trail

[heavy trail]

yeah

and bonus garrotes

[undone eagle]

Its because you are hasty i guess

[heavy trail]

i spam a macro that melds and stealths

[undone eagle]

If u move fast after melding it wont work

Always look so u can click on stealth right away after melding

Thats how u get the regain crit

[heavy trail]

I know lol....

[undone eagle]

So ur stressing it

It happend me before

Now i wait 1 sec

[heavy trail]

I am not saying I fundamentally misunderstand how it works just doesn't seem to allow the full stealth... will cehck the macros

[undone eagle]

You cant stealth at all?

U cant because if ur tank is pulling close to u u cant do it properly i think

Same with pride, it wont let sometimes

[heavy trail]

gotcha

That's probably it

[undone eagle]

I had the same problem mate 😄

Now i fixed it by being patient a second or two

Also if u wanna meld during pride

Let the explosion hit and then do it

If you meld right before its gonna cancel ur meld

Thats what i like about elfs, that bonus lego gain from melding

[heavy trail]

I got it I dunno thought waiting a few GCD might even make the gain from it not a big deal since you miss out on attacks of course it's nice to see the big numbers 🙂

[dawn ivy]

why the hell is there only 1 pair of pants with no mastery on them

[heavy trail]

I've noticed sof ar in my m+ career so far that as you go up the IO food chain, generally speaking the egos get more fragile lol

Anyway thanks for the thoughts Hektor it's appreciated

[subtle tundra]

and it peaks just before the actual good players

[low girder]

The same reason there's only one neck outside of pvp without mastery

Keeping us down

[heavy trail]

@subtle tundra I mean this tank was really, really bad from what I am understanding since he wasn't even playing "with the group" and then when the interaction broke down to the blame game he started going on about his IO score vs mine. I was like dude, we need to focus on what went wrong HERE, NOW this dungeon, which was poor pulling. The details already told you it wasn't even me taking the most damage lol. Yikes

[dawn ivy]

if i check new raid i better see some good pants lol

[undone eagle]

@heavy trail also i forgot to mention mate, if your tank pulls another pack and a ghost is chasing u , what i used to do was i stand away from the tank + pack , so i kill my ghost

Then i can stealth and then i jump into the pack

I rather wait 4-5 seconds for the crit bonus instead of figting the pack with no crit at all

[dawn ivy]

2 pairs of pants neither with mastery LETSGO

[low girder]

Also a dagger off the 4th boss

Improvement

[heavy trail]

Yeah i started to go away from the group to try to get out of combat lol... with a poor tank, I mean I dont' expect them to know leggo mechanics for other specs in a pug, but it was tough since he seemed to simply want to have mobs in the group wtih everyone at all times

[bleak sun]

226 crit /mast dagger 😩

[proud ore]

to use the sin pvp one shot do you need venth absoluitely?

[bleak sun]

Idk maybe cause flag hit like a truck

But ask in #pvp

[proud ore]

i did, thought you guys would know best too

im necro bonespike is a nice stack

stat preiority for sin seems to be in flux am i wrong? I read into stacking crit no haste in aoe m+ and did very well

is CN upside down? or

cuz pvp is diff

[misty holly]

pvp is stack *vers same as everyone else, and isn't crit less effective in pvp?

for single target haste #1, in AoE all about equal.

at least for my character

[proud ore]

what u mean equal

oh equal acrsos board?

[misty holly]

yeah, I did a stat weight last week that was literally 1.45, 1.44, 1.44, 1.42

[proud ore]

i went no haste and just got ruptures up to spam knives and crimson whatever

[misty holly]

for dungeon slice

[proud ore]

u can uh

sim that for free?

interesting

lemee pee

i just read or watched some meme youtube but i did bettter than usual

plus i retained single target

[misty holly]

yeah for pure aoe haste might be worse. dungeon slice is 50% boss fight I think, so haste is boosted from that

[proud ore]

pve conduits? i been using my cov one but idk

yea uf y crit aoe

more combo

just bleed a few targets too

[limber lion]

Haste is fine in m+

[proud ore]

kat ar and poison all the way for aoe

?

[limber lion]

It's not like it's a dead stat there.

[proud ore]

its not

[limber lion]

Not necessarily.

[proud ore]

but how much vers do i cut

[limber lion]

Don't look at secondaries

[undone eagle]

What is cto for outlaw?

[limber lion]

No point

[proud ore]

i have simmed idk if i simmed aoe tho

[limber lion]

Count the Odds counduit

[proud ore]

trying to find

[undone eagle]

Aha cheers

[proud ore]

is it only i nstat wights

[limber lion]

I've never simmed stat weights or anything for AoE or DungeonSlice

And I do around 7.5k-8k dps per dungeon

[proud ore]

idk worth lookign at lets just ee

[limber lion]

Stat weights and secondaries don't matter jack

[proud ore]

if haste or crit wins

why not?

[stiff vine]

best combo of oils & stones for sludgefist?

double oil?

[limber lion]

No

Double sharpening stone and agi pot.

[stiff vine]

when is oil the play?

[proud ore]

i geuss si ncan use all stats

[limber lion]

Rarely ever.

[proud ore]

i wouldnt go too low on vers tho

[limber lion]

It sims the same amount as Stone but is more rng

It's fine on Hungering and Artificer

Where there are 0 adds.

[proud ore]

so optima lscenario would be 30 30 30 30 to dodge dr?

[limber lion]

On Sludge it's not worth or any fights with adds.

[proud ore]

i run bloodstain, i think its mostly for pvp should i get the other

doomblade

like i just opened a crit mast glove from my vault 223 big increase but id never use those stats outside sin pve

isnt mast bad tho

[limber lion]

You mean Bloodfang?

[proud ore]

dashing scoundrel is trash? all zoldyck pve?

no doomblade

[limber lion]

In M+ you use Zoldyck.

DS is fine for ST.

Mastery is fine in AoE

But why

[proud ore]

is pvp using bloodfang

[limber lion]

Are you still

looking at

stats

Literally stop

They don't matter

[proud ore]

because i just strted playing pve sin

[limber lion]

Read the pins

And read the FaQ

And read the part that is bolded

[proud ore]

why do stats not matter u sound like the priest telling me im literally a warrior

[limber lion]

Because they don't

[proud ore]

why tho

[limber lion]

????

[proud ore]

like when u say something say whhy

ur just saying they dont

[limber lion]

But

[proud ore]

and acting like im stupid after

[limber lion]

They don't

That is the reason

[proud ore]

Okay, say wh

nah its not

[limber lion]

Read the FAQ my boy

[proud ore]

onlien learning gonna make teh job market EZPZ for us in the 30s

[sonic schooner]

GL with DS on a spiteful week tbh

[wispy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[sonic schooner]

as assa

[low girder]

Too many DS abbreviations idk which one we're on

But if it's deathly

Don't

[proud ore]

scoundrel i think

what is its use case

[low girder]

It's alright but zoldyck is better

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is the best choice.

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Yeah

Because you poison everything around you

[low girder]

Poison crits

[limber lion]

And Dashing makes your poisons crit

[low girder]

Envenom is on you, not the target

[limber lion]

It's still not great for AoE

It's decent, but not great.

In heavy AoE you rarely even use Envenom

[proud ore]

Zold > DS > Doom?

[limber lion]

Zold > MA > DS > Doom for m+ probably.

[vagrant bison]

if you are in a 4-5 target scenario, and have 2 ruptures and a full CT applied, what is the best usage of combo points? envenom or another CT?

[rotund oak]

Hemotoxin Shiv also reduces the target's healing received by 40% for 9 sec. when u really wanna buff assa up pvp wise to the point of making the dmg actually unhealable 😛

[weak oxide]

MFD or Vigor for M+ ? I think I got too used to having Vigor

[compact pumice]

Either is good tbh. Personally I would say vigor is good for most m+ use cases. If you play perfect with NS+MA you can use DS but it’s a lot easier to use MFD with it. That’s the one case where I’d say MFD >> Vigor.

[weak oxide]

guess ill stick with Vigor for now, Im playing Zoldyck overall

[compact pumice]

From what I hear here Vigor really fits the Zoldyck opener and it sims the best too IIRC

[weak oxide]

I guess MFD makes more sense with MA to really benefit from the crit window

indeed

ty

[gloomy fern]

cant wait until i get home and loot 233 dagger in vault

[worn path]

Kekw

[strange python]

im sure its there waiting for you

[gloomy fern]

100%

[vagrant bison]

Yeah, i was expecting a dagger too

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/016/729/large.jpg

[weak oxide]

atleast i got a 226 decanther this morning

[sick scarab]

i did some 15 with dashing scoundrel on a tyrannical inspiring week and it was very nice.. poison bomb crits OP

[bright pine]

im torn right now

which is the better spec

for raiding

sin or outlaw now?

[sullen pagoda]

DSDSDSDSDS

[worldly sedge]

Did DS change or something?

[sullen pagoda]

true af, DS needs to be banned as abbreviation

[limber lion]

Sin for most, Outlaw for SLG.

[limber lion]

Rupture the other 3 targets as well.

[worldly sedge]

Unless you have Crimson Tempest, right?

Oh right mb they mentioned ct

[limber lion]

Ye. You don't spam CT, you only keep the bleed up.

[worldly sedge]

I thought that ct spam was the way forward, I've been playing sin wrong in mythics all this time

[limber lion]

Yep pretty much.

You put bleeds up on all of the targets around you that live the duration

Keeping CT up at all times

Garrote on cooldown

And filling with Envenom, if you have any time in between applying bleeds

Or when the targets are closer to dying, because there's little point re-applying bleeds if they're dying in 5s.

[sick scarab]

in single targhet gear for me dashing sims better for slice and dice scenario and it was fun LOL

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ooq7Hk8jzpZEoN8WUuEXU

than doomblade

poison bomb crist are OP on non fortified trash

fortified i still go zoldick

[stoic needle]

Seli explained why dashing isn't very good at the moment a few days ago

[sick scarab]

not optimal i agree

[gusty mirage]

This is the way, although sniping a low hp mob w/ a 2cp rupture is a way to cheese out some extra energy if you need some more. You shouldn’t run into issues with needing to cheese energy in aoe ideally though

[sick scarab]

but fun and playable 🙂 for 15 not super high

[knotty grove]

Is Nadjia the best choice for M+ as venthyr?

[stoic needle]

#assassination message

[gusty mirage]

I think Theo wins out

[compact pumice]

Theotar with Wasteland

[bright pine]

which is the best potency conduit

for raiding>

[gusty mirage]

For venthyr? Lashing

[bright pine]

as a nf

[limber lion]

WPS

[knotty grove]

If i go Theotar, do i go for Token of Appreciation as the last one? for 2 potency conduits?

[limber lion]

No

Wasteland

[compact pumice]

Wasteland!

[sullen pagoda]

funny way to spell bfa

[gusty mirage]

Token kinda fucks you sometimes too. The shield it applies kicks you outta stealth

[sick scarab]

agree but it is fun LOL crit poison bomb on trash is juicy 🙂

[stoic needle]

I still haven't gotten kicked out of stealth by wasteland >_>

[gusty mirage]

[ornate dawn]

Happened to me today in Spires

[sick scarab]

i still have to decide if run IQD or memory of past sins.. sims say memory but my feeling say IQD..

[stoic needle]

I don't get it

[sullen pagoda]

@stoic needle its by token not wasteland

[knotty grove]

i though it was General Draven which was the best with Built for war.

[stoic needle]

Yeah I mistyped I meant token

[sullen pagoda]

ah

[stoic needle]

I use token every time I play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Draven kinda dookie

[stoic needle]

And I've been playing a lot of outlaw

Well I'm necro now but I did

[lofty shell]

im glad daddy oxi made me go necro

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

Being stinky

[gusty mirage]

I made a WA for lead by example so I can know just how poorly I’m optimizing it’s uptime

[sullen pagoda]

does that even sim higher than bonesmith

and dont u tell me "it buffs your group so its more" 😠

[pastel shale]

it buffs your group so its more

[stoic needle]

Emeni sims as hitting 2 teammates by default

That seems... Unlikely except in raids

And even then it's still worse

[lofty shell]

ye bonesmith is actually pog

i need something to track gemstone windows tho

[gusty mirage]

Idk I’m a coward and I’ve been scared to try higher keys (19s+) as assa, but for outlol emeni still simmed higher for me playing MA ironically

[stoic needle]

There are some good weakauras

[sick scarab]

oxy tbh

[stoic needle]

Yeah emeni with ma for law makes sense

[sick scarab]

dont fear and go assa

[stoic needle]

Now that I'm necro I'm full sending son in keys tbh

[lofty shell]

i think seli also plays emeni with law

[gusty mirage]

I plan on giving it a shot as soon as I get more conduit energy. Still angry at blizzard for that stupid ass system

[lofty shell]

ma / BR

[compact pumice]

Outlaw's just so chill compared. No need to stress just to do decent damage so you can focus on interrupts/stuns/dodging frontals

[lofty shell]

ye

very true

[sick scarab]

i hate outlaw playstile 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I’ve always run m+ as assa, I’ve lost my way this expac

[stoic needle]

I find sin to be more relaxing when things get really hectic tbh

[pastel shale]

yeah sin is a very fast-paced hectic spec

[stoic needle]

It's too easy to overcap cp or miss an opp proc

[sick scarab]

exaclty oxi.. now it is the time to go back to the right way

[limber lion]

That's probably a weak aura issue then

[gusty mirage]

Also I feel like as I got better gear my dps has gotten more shit

[limber lion]

Because I've never had any issues with opportunity procs ever

I have a really clear that lights up when I have it ready

[lofty shell]

bad secondaries

[limber lion]

It's impossible to miss it.

[compact pumice]

This doesn't affect dps as much as not refreshing CT on CD or not putting up that Rupt on the 4th add or whatever I feel like

well Opp proc at least

[gusty mirage]

My crit’s a little lower than I care for but overall my gear’s pretty on point

[lofty shell]

then it's prob just ur teammates underperforming 🤷‍♂️

[gusty mirage]

Idk maybe I just suck

[stoic needle]

It's not, really. There's just more things to worry about as outlaw. Like last week when you'd pull huge and have 5 explosives spawn on top of all of the kicks that you need to take care of

And frontals that needed to be dodged

[gusty mirage]

I gray parsed on inerva last night

[limber lion]

Idk, I've still never had any issues with opportunity

It's like Blindside

[lofty shell]

bro i did a purp parse on the most scuffed huntsman kill ever

[limber lion]

It procs? you press the ability

[lofty shell]

idk how

[upper mesa]

Ill be playing assas for the first time in years for sludge prog tonight.... going to be interesting...

[limber lion]

Good luck

[gusty mirage]

You got this

[stoic needle]

Could be a practice issue, who knows

[limber lion]

Yeah maybe.

[gusty mirage]

I think I just need to fix my WAs to yell at me better, my boomer brain can only track so much at. Time

[ornate dawn]

make them 400% bigger

[stoic needle]

I just find it easier to keep up with sin dots than with outlaw... Everything when a pull gets really hectic

[gusty mirage]

More obnoxious sounds and glowy borders, make the icon 200 by 200

[sick scarab]

yep i prefer manage sin stuff than outlaw.. to me playng outlaw seems not to play a rogue.. dunno i am an old man maybe

[ornate dawn]

were all boomer sin players man its ok

[compact pumice]

You can just do your normal rotation on a single target basically as OL though. And swap to interrupt/stun only.

[gusty mirage]

Tbf you’re not alone on that, outlaw feels like a warrior more than a rogue for a lot of people

[sick scarab]

exazclty

[compact pumice]

Warrior with Guns

[sick scarab]

outlaw to me seems like fury warr more or less.

[stoic needle]

I think that's more of a problem with fury warrior than it is with outlaw tbqh

Fury warrior is just incredibly generic rn

[trim oak]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[ornate dawn]

Real chads play Arms

[gusty mirage]

I just want my extra cp from shrouded suffocation

That’s it

[sick scarab]

and i played warrior from beta usa to legion so ..

[stoic needle]

At the moment sin and outlaw do pretty similar damage

[sick scarab]

i am waiting new nigthfae conduit.. OP new conduit

[stoic needle]

All outlaw really has over sin now is gouge and acrobatic

Which are pretty nice for not dying lol

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that’s the thing that’s kept me gun shy about switching, gouge has saved so many pulls because I apparently only invite smooth brains to my keys who either don’t know what an interrupt is or don’t know how to not overlap interrupts

[knotty grove]

are we using blindside for m+ ?

[pastel shale]

no

[ornate dawn]

probably not

[gusty mirage]

No, elaborate planning

[sick scarab]

you can on tyrannical week.. if trash dont live too much you can go blindside for boss

[gusty mirage]

Blindside is ST oriented while EP buffs your CT

[stoic needle]

EP on all content gaming

I wouldn't even use blindside on tyrannical tbh

[limber lion]

No.

[sick scarab]

so if you run lower key you can also go blindside for jst for bosses

[limber lion]

No.

Especially on lower keys you wouldn't do that

[gusty mirage]

EP still ends up winning

[limber lion]

You underestimate EP by quite a bit.

Or give Blindside too much credit.

[knotty grove]

I just find it hard to choose between master assis and Doomblade. Feels like Doomblade does more overall even on AOE.

[limber lion]

No it doesn't.

Doomblade is literally useless in big aoe

You don't Mutilate/Envenom

To gain any value from Doomblade

[ornate dawn]

This ^

[gusty mirage]

Keep doom in the bags for raid + pvp

[pastel shale]

EP Zoldyck Gang

[stoic needle]

Doomblade is okay for sd, plaguefall and theater only tbh

Otherwise you're inting your damage

[gusty mirage]

Yeah cuz smaller pulls in general

And plague damage is generally lower cuz of the plagueborers

[knotty grove]

So we go master assis for m+ ?

[gusty mirage]

Yes or zoldyk

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is the preferred choice.

[knotty grove]

Thanks! sorry for all the questions :p

[limber lion]

No worries, that's what the channel is for.

[compact pumice]

I can finally make r4 Zoldyck now

Wanna try Sin keys for real

[gusty mirage]

I was typing the same thing, get out of my head

[limber lion]

Good luck competing against these 130 WPM fingers

[compact pumice]

Been doing the NS+MA strat but I don't think it's as great

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

Damn I’m only 127 and on mobile

[limber lion]

127 is high af still

Tbh

[compact pumice]

You're 127 on mobile? That's crazy

[gusty mirage]

I’m like 95 or some shit on mobile tbh

[limber lion]

I'm like 20

[gusty mirage]

But it’s insanely fast still

[limber lion]

Because I make mistakes like crazy

Then I have to erase a lot

To fix them

And it's aids

Awful

[gusty mirage]

Autocorrect fixes everything or makes you sound ridiculous. You just accept those chances. Like killing spree as outlol in m+

[compact pumice]

Well on mobile you can use Siri or something to dictate. If you don't use special words it's pretty damn quick

Like stupidly fast actually

[gusty mirage]

Siri never dictates correctly for me

[compact pumice]

I like to do shopping lists by doing that, word NEW LINE word NEW LINE. so quick and can do it 0-handed 😄

[gusty mirage]

Siri just gives me super long sentences with no punctuation

[compact pumice]

You have to say, dot or comma etc

[gusty mirage]

Oh. I’ve been saying period and it spells out period

I’m a boomer technology is hard. But good news is I have enough ash for a r4 zoldyk might just full send assa keys this week

[compact pumice]

Period works too for me

[compact pumice]

A boomer using discord can't really complain. At least you found more parts of the internet than google and facebook

[winged basin]

Do you guys smell that?

Do you smell what this mage is cooking?

[spice spire]

Ok, boomer.

[winged basin]

going back to rogue cause fuck those fire nerfs lmaooooooo. The 12 year rogue mega star is COMING. 😂😂😂

[spice spire]

Fire mage probably will still be pretty great

[grand ridge]

What does everyone think about hekili for assassination?

[spice spire]

Oh no, no, no.

[stoic needle]

It's okay as a learning tool but I wouldn't rely on it

[winged basin]

Maybe, but I have been screeching in here and in my guild for 1.5 months about going back to my rogue for next tier prog.

[spice spire]

Viable option PROGGERS

Good shit though, welcome home brethren

[stoic needle]

Herorotation is probably better

[sick scarab]

now i expect blizz will fix nightfae crap Sepsis conduit to be on par woht scars.. and gg

[grand ridge]

Is that similar to hekili where it works for all classes?

[winged basin]

It’s so good to be back. My rogue is only 208 but he is so ridiculously well statted for st it’s unreal

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[grand ridge]

I just kinda have a spot for hekili on my ui and use it on any class where it works

[gloomy fern]

yuck

[grand ridge]

I mean assassination isn't that hard of course

Hekili for me is good at keeping track of things like trinkets and cds

[sick scarab]

tbh avoid hekily.. it can help you learning but.. you ahve to adapt etc..

[grand ridge]

I don't follow it to the global but when I see a trinket or my covenant ability pop up on there it's a good reminder to use it

[sick scarab]

assa is fluid so you will get used to it

[stoic needle]

You're better off using weakauras tbh

[spice spire]

You can get specific weak auras for those if that’s your issue

[sick scarab]

just some WA to keep trash of cd and you are ready to go

[stoic needle]

Those addons don't consider fight mechanics

[grand ridge]

I have wa I guess I am just using hekili because I'm lazy lol

[sick scarab]

some nameplates also i use KUI.. simple and clean

hekili will not make you improve.. unistall and gg 🙂

it can be usefull to learn

but then ..

[grand ridge]

Yeah I guess I'm pretty much using it just for cd tracking... I should probably just swap to using some wa's

Rogue is my alt right now but I'm working to switch to rogue main

My raid team needs me as a healer

Just was wondering what y'all thought about it

[spice spire]

No worries, king. Good luck

[sick scarab]

WA are better yep and some Nameplates to track dots on targhets. gg go kill them all

[grand ridge]

yea I use WA for tracking dots

[misty holly]

Just looked Heliki up, that looks really useful for alts!

[grand ridge]

lately I've just been doing m+ on the rogue

[misty holly]

I have no idea how to play anything but a rogue so I just press buttons randomly on my alts

[grand ridge]

I like assassination aoe so much I've just been playing assassination for everything

[swift dragon]

lmao what

[grand ridge]

assassination Aoe is a blast

[swift dragon]

who the fuck changed my name

what is this

if poison bomb was baseline

[trim oak]

Is Assa stronger than Sub in ST atm? I don't play that spec since Bfa

[swift dragon]

sin aoe would be giga pog

[swift dragon]

yes

[trim oak]

It was sooo weak when I tried a couple of months ago

[swift dragon]

assa is like a top5 spec in ST rrn

[trim oak]

😮

[swift dragon]

they fixed it in 9.0.5

we actually get to cast envenom now

its very poggers

[grand ridge]

yeah I wasn't a fan of CT ... until I ran it and did way more dps in m+ lol

it's very good

[misty holly]

my mythic dps went up by 1000 when I started using CT lol

[trim oak]

uhm CT stand for?

[grand ridge]

crimson tempest

[trim oak]

oh ok

Because of the bleed bonus?

[compact pumice]

Dude I see Assa as top 2 on pure ST without mechanics that fuck melee too bad like Hungering / Artificer

Only below Spriest

[swift dragon]

yes

[limber lion]

No. CT is just the best AoE ability we have.

[hazy crater]

Neither of those fuck melee too hard though

you can just stay on hungering and soak your orb

artificer top logs do nothing but stay on boss

[swift dragon]

whats the mod role ?

[trim oak]

I need to craft my Doomblade soon I guess 🙂

[limber lion]

Shadowblades

[swift dragon]

<@&224906552333697025> which one of you changed my name

[rigid mango]

Who are you?

[swift dragon]

idk

[limber lion]

[shrewd night]

Is this worthy of a ping?

[swift dragon]

yes

my name was randomly changed

[compact pumice]

Yeah that's what I mean, if melee and casters top logs are just on boss the whole time, the comparison is a lot easier to make. But as soon as there's movement then Blizzard usually throws in something to fuck melee a bit and then it's harder to compare.

[limber lion]

He had a spammy name before, that's probably why.

[swift dragon]

loba in the chat OwO

apex mommy milkers

[spice socket]

Clearly

[hazy crater]

mhm yeah I misunderstood.

[compact pumice]

If you have a weird name now then it's probably because your old name needed changing.

[swift dragon]

pog mods agreeing with me

[winged basin]

Are you following me?

[misty holly]

I kind of like the new name. It's unique.

[swift dragon]

nah

[winged basin]

😂😂

[swift dragon]

im just in like

90% of the class discords

severe altaholic

[limber lion]

Ye you probably don't want to ping the Blades for nonsense.

Maybe you changed it yourself and just forgot.

[swift dragon]

anh

nah*

[limber lion]

But this is #assassination not #name-check-for-the-boys

[swift dragon]

havent been on here long enouihg to find a memeable name yet

[shrewd night]

What this guy said

[swift dragon]

where do i get my name back

there we go

cant be fucked to go get the font generator out

[winged basin]

LMFAO oldname

[swift dragon]

Loba's message better eb the size of her thighs

been typing forever

[shrewd night]

I fail to see what this has to do with assassination. Memers move to offtopic.

[limber lion]

Thank you Shien

[grand ridge]

couldn't you just pm one of them

oh well

[analog trout]

Hey guys, i got a question If Anyone can help me out, how do you play with DS-leggo on a big aoe pull? Do you get enough energy back without dotting everything up?to wave in some envenoms to keep buff?
Also does the legendary work with poison bomb? Cheers

[limber lion]

Yes the legendary works in Poison Bomb.

You play it similarly to how you would normally play Assassination in AoE but trying to throw in slightly more Envenoms.

But you still want to put up bleeds on everything that lives the duration (including CT if you use that instead of PB)

Keeping garrote on cooldown

[shrewd night]

Did I stutter?

[swift dragon]

goddamn ok

[grand ridge]

Zoldyck affects the bleed from CT

[analog trout]

Thanks mate!

[grand ridge]

I think that's a good reason for it being a good pick for m+

I just really like that legendary

[gusty adder]

Do we always cap CP ?

Feels a bit akward as sin being on 4 CP, as more times than not, my generators make 2 cp

[misty holly]

typically you use finisher at cap-1 or cap

[gusty adder]

Alright thanks

[misty holly]

so 4 or 5 unless you have the talent that goes to 6

then 5/6

[grand ridge]

if you mutilate at 4 CP you could waste as much as 3 CP's

[swift dragon]

how viable is vigor in raids

[grand ridge]

thats a big waste

[gusty adder]

exactly my point @grand ridge

[subtle tundra]

very viable, unless youre venthyr in which case you lose quite a bit of dps

[amber summit]

What is best covenant for assa pvp now a days

[compact pumice]

If you're necro then apparently EP/Vigor sims really close to BS/DS

[swift dragon]

ofof

oof*

[limber lion]

Vigor is perfectly fine with EP when used against very short kills or on fights where there are adds.

[swift dragon]

guess its better the more haste i get because DS right now feels awful

[limber lion]

Even for Venthyr it wins in cleave fights.

[swift dragon]

wait what

[gusty adder]

been wondering whether to go Vigor or DS as well - DS sims higher than Vigor on patchwerk for me

[swift dragon]

is it good for venthyr ot not

[limber lion]

Yes.

[subtle tundra]

if youre venthyr DS feels good even with like 10% haste

[limber lion]

For ST fights longer than 3 minutes, no.