assassination

[icy ember]

i always knew sin would come back around

[low girder]

i thought it was fine as a button personally but i was in the minority

[balmy condor]

You and me brother

[strange python]

So on pull then I can use 2 shivs as well as using vend and flagg? And then wait til 2/4 to use shiv vend flagg?

[balmy condor]

You shiv on pull, 30ish, then pillar, not pillar, pillar, not pillar, on and on

For cooldowns, you use vend basically right at the start, so it comes up for the second pillar

And then it’s up again for the 4th

And you hold everything for those pillars as well

[stoic needle]

tfw you get outpumped by a doomblade gamer in a boost

this is what i get for playing outlaw

[strange python]

That 3rd dps tho?

[strange python]

Okay got it thank u

[stoic needle]

that's the tank lmao

[balmy condor]

Well

Expected

Considering boost

[strange python]

Lmfaooooo

[stoic needle]

the buyer was afk most of the time

i don't expect this until 10.0

they won't go back on the unpruning during the life of the expansion

that would be admitting they were wrong

[low girder]

they already unpruned it

just go all the way

[stoic needle]

unpruning is to bring it back

[low girder]

er pruned it

again

[stoic needle]

lol

[nocturne hawk]

the ununpruned

[stoic needle]

but like i said, blizzard will never go back on one of the fundamental selling points/design decisions of the expansion in a mid-exp patch

blizzard is never wrong

[low girder]

idk it's just stupid to me that you hit a "rotational" button once and then never again unless you wildly fuck up or there's a 1m+ intermission

at least for outlaw it's not every pull

just make it passive and be done with it

wod style

[icy ember]

ya sin feels stupid easy to play now, im kinda excited about it

[stoic needle]

snd should go back to being a talent for outlaw

[low girder]

granted i'm also speaking from a raiding pov, i don't do keys as sin

[stoic needle]

and removed from the other specs

[low girder]

maybe it's different there

[stoic needle]

it's even more useless in keys

because snd doesnt give energy anymore, you don't even press it until theres 4 or less mobs in the pull

so you spend like 3cp on it mid pull and forget about it

or on bosses

[low girder]

lmao

yeah just make the fuckin' thing passive then

wild

[stoic needle]

i would bet good money that it gets repruned again in 10.0

[low girder]

it will

[stoic needle]

i mean lets be real it was just added to get classic andys interested in retail

[low girder]

it's just wild to me they make this big deal about omg slice is back (literally who asked?) and then made 3 mechanics where you just don't hit the button.

sub's is a little weird but still

[icy ember]

blizzard has those limitless leaves on their flowers, so you can never prune them enough, they are pruneless infinity, infinity pruning, infinite prune

[low girder]

it's like they couldn't think of something to tie the specs together so they just looked at an old list and were like "oh this was shared. slap it in!"

without like

thinking how the specs work completely differently compared to now

felt that a lot as a sub player..

[stoic needle]

this is what happens when you don't have a rogue dev

[low girder]

oh i don't have zeph's roguedev emote

rip

[grand echo]

finally farmed IQD (220), sims about the same as my 226 skulker, if I wish to use IQD when is the optimal time to use it in my rotation? after S&D before flag?

[balmy condor]

With vend

[grand echo]

and the self cast macro only stops it using execute? still possible to give mana? i do have the WA for it

[shy dust]

Yep

[whole mason]

Any suggestions for ass survival in mythic Sire P3 9min combo of ravage and massacre? there is no bop assigned to me and I have accumulated a lot of stress there.

[grand echo]

my guild is also at that point, our best pull is 14% and at that point it's just pure shitstorm for us hopefully we will be able to progress tomorrow. dunno just save cloak for it and shadowstep and then there is cheat death if shit hits the fan.. just dont get hit by massacre I guess thats the most important part

[shy dust]

Can just cloak and run into the red puddle area

That’s what I would do on prog but soulshape made it much easier

[sinful cradle]

Shadowstep macro to a dk

[shy dust]

That too

[grand echo]

sounds like a plan..

[whole mason]

tried Shaowstep to a dk, but it lands you behind him and got massacred...

[grand echo]

oww

blame the dk!

[strange python]

Do the same thing. But without being massacred.

[jaunty crystal]

ask him to not point his back to a massacre

[sinful cradle]

Try to watch the dk youre stepping to

For potential massacres

Thats what I do atleast

[whole mason]

it just feels there is no 100% strategy there, always a little chance even if everything went as planned

[sinful cradle]

Never failed it yet

[grand echo]

you guys running db or zoldyck on m sire?

[whole mason]

zoldycd for me

[grand echo]

just got my 235 zoldyck today till now i've been running db but i think im gonna give zoldyck a try tomorrow since we have more than enough dmg for p1 and p2

[shy dust]

If you have enough damage for p1 and P2

Zoldyck is a strong choice

[sinful cradle]

Defo zold for prog, then doom whenever the raid starts getting comfortable on p3

[grand echo]

i've been poor with soul ash since I have leggos for all 3 specs <_< done every damn torghast till now

didnt want to waste gold for 225 lol

[whole mason]

I'm poorer, I dont even have db

[grand echo]

wanted to get tiny toxic blade leggo for lols but it's gonna be long time till i can afford it since there is not much point.. would like to try it in pvp (casual)

[shy dust]

Soul ash is annoying

[whole mason]

I heard that if your raid can kill in 10mins, db should be better

[shy dust]

I’m not sure about that

[whole mason]

I doubt that as well. running zoldyck without lust I did 1.15m in P3 for that damned 0% try, although wcl shows a lot of db practice now

[shy dust]

Db is just used because it’s most damage and most top logs are people on farm

IE my guild doesn’t need any damage anymore so I just run doomblade

[whole mason]

btw, nerfing drum is a terrible idea.

[shy dust]

Is your mage not downstairs?

[whole mason]

no, we have 6 melee

[shy dust]

We usually send a mage downstairs I think

[whole mason]

if I were the rl, I would send a shaman there instead of restodruid. but I didn't look into the details.

[grand echo]

luckily we have a shaman with our melee group

that lust is important

[whole mason]

Maybe tonight I'll try shadowstep to the druid. healer does not need to step close to the boss I suppose

[charred mango]

do you all think its worth running sire prog with the Hidden blades tallent? for bursting down the adds

over the ST benefits of poison bomb

[dawn ivy]

youd be building into a niche your spec isnt meant to be doing

leave that to fire/uh/WW

[charred mango]

okay, that makes sense

ty

[dark crag]

Good luck with that. I also tried that and here i am without a kill

Because they can't adept

[hazy crater]

no lust for mirror realm

[sinful cradle]

Hard trolling

[fallow otter]

Gl with that

[hazy crater]

Oh not us, someone just said that earlier

We dont troll that hard

[fallen fable]

What would be proper opening on target? Mutilate(stealth)->SnD->garrote->mutilate till max combo->rupture->shiv-> vandeta-> pot -> max combo into vanish and start pumping. Is this okay?

[balmy condor]

you should mut snd mut since you’re playing with ma, mut snd gar would be a wasted global

Other wise that’s fine

[ivory mason]

!fuu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[fallen fable]

@balmy condor tyy

[fair geyser]

Ambush isnt used?

Cuz points thing

[low girder]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[plucky sluice]

@fallen fable my opener at sludge for example (with MA talent): stealth -> multi -> SnD -> multi -> garrote -> rupture -> envenom -> vanish / trinket / vendetta -> multi -> shiv -> envenom...

[fallow otter]

That is some scuffed ass opener

[dense axle]

Are we supposed to use blindside proc if we get it during vanish window?

[torn atlas]

Besides why I assume is just a typing error of rupt into env, it's generally okay, no?

[fallow otter]

You shiv in your vanish window?

[dense axle]

Dat 300 dmg. Mmm

[fallow otter]

Tasty

[patent topaz]

doubly wrong to vendetta that late on sludge

[fallow otter]

^

[dense axle]

Yeah, you want it in the first 6 globals I think

[limber lion]

Yoy also used rupture/envenom back to back?

Lul

[limber lion]

Yes.

[torn atlas]

Haha true. I missed that.

[dense axle]

Ty @limber lion

[torn atlas]

Not to be pedantic, but it is literally the 6th gcd.

[dense axle]

So I'm not wrong :-P

It's off gcd

[limber lion]

You use vendetta in 4s

[fallow otter]

This

[sharp nebula]

!opener

[limber lion]

So muti - snd - muti - vend

That's pretty normal

[fallow otter]

You're missing the L bro

[dense axle]

Just gotta make sure you have enough energy for vanish window. Easy to starve if you mute too much

[torn atlas]

Yeah just send it haha.

[round harbor]

https://c.tenor.com/wWBVqJZ1jyIAAAAM/sendittt.gif

[fallen fable]

Should i rather drop combos on 5/6 envenom than 5 rupture? And try to max combo rupture?

[limber lion]

No

[fallen fable]

So 5 combo rupture is ok?

[limber lion]

You use all finishers on max-1 combo points

Yes.

[fallen fable]

Ok ty

[vagrant bison]

@limber lion why its not ok to use rupture and envenom back to back?

[limber lion]

Because... you can't?

They're finishers

You won't have combo points for Envenom.

[vagrant bison]

that was a dumb question

but why using shiv before vanish is not ok?

[limber lion]

That's exactly what you want to do.

You use it before vanish, not during it.

[hollow marsh]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[hollow marsh]

hi bois, yesterday I thought I had a good fight on huntsman HC, but turns out I only parsed ilvl 67%, can some kind soul tell me why I suck? Wow analyzer says it's all good so idk what to do to improve.
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/PxLWA2ypJGtnYDVq/5-Heroic+Huntsman+Altimor+-+Kill+(5:44)/Slythel/standard

[subtle tundra]

first of all, 5:44 kill

very long

you cant parse with 2-3x kill timers

[slim wagon]

Is suddenly wowanalyzer supported or something? Pretty sure it was outdated

[hollow marsh]

I see

[hazy crater]

also you should try to keep dots up more on the dogs

rupture and garrote uptime could be better overall as well

im not fae but you should probably run with burrs as well and not 2 potency

[hollow marsh]

unfortunately my tanks only tank the first dog in cleave range, I try my best to sprint and shadowstep to keep the dots up but that's not enough evidently

[hollow marsh]

this is interesting to know, thanks

[hazy crater]

well spread adds is super horrible to parse for sin. But you also had like 40% dot uptimes on the first dog which is a big loss in overall dps

[hollow marsh]

how did you see the dot uptimes on the dogs? i'm looking for it but can't find

[hazy crater]

well you basically need to zoom to the part when the dog was up. For example first dog died 1:18 so rupture uptime during that would be https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PxLWA2ypJGtnYDVq/#fight=5&type=damage-done&start=1107469&end=1185797&source=3&ability=1943

[hollow marsh]

that's fucking cool, thanks

so I actually played bad, fml

[hazy crater]

you just left something that you can improve for next time

try to focus on keeping dots up on the dogs that you can cleave and remember to mutilate them as well to keep deadly poison up on them

[hollow marsh]

okay

thank you so much man

[plucky sluice]

why is this scuffed? just looked in warcraftlogs to top rogues too and they do the same most times
and yeah sry, was a typo with rupture into envenom.

[compact pumice]

Vanish into Shiv??

You shiv first

[plucky sluice]

why? for 2nd and 4th piller its always rdy when sludge is charging

[patent topaz]

2nd pillar is 2:04 or so, if you vendetta too late it comes up in the middle of vuln

[compact pumice]

Like a normal opener is:
Muti > SND > Muti > Garrote > Vend > Flag > Rupt > Muti until 4-5 > Shiv > Vanish > Env > Muti > Muti > Env etc

Can swap Vend/Flag but I've been trying the above to get the 30% extra damage on the flag start, doesn't seem to matter much overall tho. Also this is with DS

[plucky sluice]

ok, vanish into shiv i see^^ im open minded for getting better^^ never played assa. this was my first ID^^

[plucky sluice]

have no flag yet - i switch to necro 9.0.5 and last 2 IDs just spended to get better daggers...had 2x210... had no time for changing to venth

[compact pumice]

I'm not actually sure where in the opener you would use SBS but I bet someone here could tell you

I'd say it's prob instead of a muti before the first shiv

[plucky sluice]

first i look to get asap (after first vanish windows) then when i do multi and have only 2-3 CP

ok i will see tonight 🙂

[iron orchid]

You can use sbs as a replacement to one of the mut in the opener, probably the first one because snd uptime doesn't matter much anymore. It also depends on whether you are running sudden fractures or not. I'd apply sbs earlier in the opener when using sudden fractures

You'd then try to use sbs when you are low in energy during the first opener, and play around blindside procs and sbs to maximize envenom during a shiv window

That's what I did when I was necro, and it worked fairly well

[limber lion]

Ye pretty much what Dei said. If you play with Heirmir, you'd want to save SBS charges for the Gemstone proc.

[boreal vale]

ill start progress sire mythic know with my guild. Would u guys play zoldyck? i can also switch for outlaw play both specs

[willow inlet]

I would play doomblade or whatever you normally run until you start getting to p3 consistently

[hazy crater]

I went with Zoldyck for whole prog and don't regret it

But the above mentioned could be the play as well

[royal lantern]

zoldyck entire progression

[fickle trout]

Can somebody explain me, why Vanish > Vendetta > Shiv?

Isnt Vendetta > Shiv > 5/6 CP > Vanish > Env better?

[boreal vale]

okay ty

[hazy crater]

You dont vanish - vendetta - shiv

[plucky sluice]

i play with sudden fractures too - but i dont know if its a good idea using a SBS as opener from shroud during 50% crit

blindside i didnt test yet - fist time assa at sludgefist - where i go for the 2nd talent first row

[plucky sluice]

i hope i can do that aswell... but i am afraid beeing benched for SLG and sire. we have 2 dks, monk, warri, dh and rogue... and my raidleaders dont like that much melees 😦 council we played with only 2 dks...^^

[lofty shell]

playing ma talent i think you always open with mut from stealth for extra cp

[frail fossil]

what i do is usually Mut > snd > sbs

[compact pumice]

I'm not sure you should change the muti in the MA window

What does the APL say?

[hazy crater]

apl just opens with SBS

actually, haven't updated my simc for a while so could be different now

[iron orchid]

Sbs does a shit ton of damage, wil generate 2 to 3 cp, you'd miss a possible double poison application from a mut, but the few dot procs you gain by applying it earlier should compensate that fairly well

[compact pumice]

Tried simming it and the bot did:
SBS > Muti > Snd ...

That seems weird to do SND 3rd?

[iron orchid]

Well, yeah

Probably some logic thing we should ask someone more competent to check

Some confusion due to both snd and sbs changes in 9.0.5 makes the apl try to pull a 5cp snd maybe

[lofty shell]

maybe he does sbs first if u play the fracture conduit

sbs from stealth seems pretty weird tho

and well your first sbs won't generate 2-3 cp, right?

[hazy crater]

it will generate 2-3

depending on how the spike is feeling or something. It's bugged somehow

[lofty shell]

1 cp + 1 per active sbs

so on pull its 1 cp

[sacred isle]

Isn’t it 1-3 depending on crit?

[hazy crater]

no to the first one

1-3 depending on crit yeh thats correct

[sacred isle]

1 + 1 (may bugg) + 1 (if crit) ?

[hazy crater]

2 should be always because it should count the first dot

even when its the first cast

[sacred isle]

Ye

[hazy crater]

but it sometimes doesnt

so the APL does a mutilate when SBS gives 2cp on pull

if SBS gives 3cp on pull it just does SnD after

[compact pumice]

Isnt a 2 SND enough to last until first envenom?

[hazy crater]

I think even a 1 point SnD would be but the APL is currently written to do it on 3+

I think it's pretty safe to say any of this has little to no impact on overall dps

[sturdy forge]

whats SBS?

[ancient kraken]

serated bone spike

[wheat whale]

which trinkets are you guys using? Is there anything worth farming for valor upgrades (220) apart from Phial of Putrefaction? I am currently running Dreadfire Vessel (220) and Hateful Chain (213)
I want to replace the Chain with a Phial of Put. tho

[sacred isle]

Best to sim. You can use dropoptimizer for 220 loot

But generally phial and dread is best

[ancient kraken]

also you can check trinkets on herodamage, but yeah, best to sim

[woven summit]

Do you guys use Mark of the Master Assassin for m+?

[thorny pond]

!opener

[lofty shell]

either that or zoldyck are good options for m+

[woven summit]

alright, thanks bro, will use one of these

for assassination spec

[lofty shell]

ye i tried both and enjoy zoldyck the most, MA (as for every rogue spec) requires your tank to not chainpull every pack 😛

[limber lion]

I run Phial and IQD for all content. It's the best combo in the game, but a lot of people dislike playing with IQD.

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[thorny pond]

Thank you. Was looking for SBS openers on mobile

[limber lion]

No worries! The sim suggests doing the normal opener, but opening with SBS as your first ability instead of Mutilate.

[thorny pond]

Perfect thank you. I wasn't sure if it was 1st or 4th with MA

[brisk forge]

Well as assa u never want chainpulls anyway xD

[thorny pond]

Also yes I like IQD. Has been reliable

[timber basalt]

how should I use vanish in m+, with MA?

[limber lion]

Are you playing with Nightstalker / MFD or with Subterfuge?

Good luck! I enjoy it and get really good results with it 🙂

You will too, I'm sure!

Just get a good weak aura for it from wago

Make sure to have crit as your highest stat when using IQD

That way you proc crit during lust

Ideally you want crit as your highest stat and haste as your second highest when using iQD.

[plucky sluice]

okay, then i would try steath -> sbs -> SnD -> multi -> garrot -> vendetta -> rupture -> 1-2x multi -> shiv -> vanish... ty

@hazy crater my SBS on first target is always only giving me only 1 CP, except assa when it crits... so maybe the opener with sbs -> multi -> SnD is because when u have bad luck not critting with 50% MA you have only 1 CP and SnD would run out before first envenom?

[hazy crater]

No, the APL is just written to SnD on 3+

and SBS does give 1-3, not sure what you've been doing

[thorny lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[cobalt viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lofty shell]

which one do you use? for some reason i tried 2 and none of them actually work ..

just shows nothing

[iron orchid]

Yeah sth like this

[limber lion]

https://wago.io/G_ZnwseH-

[lofty shell]

think i got that one

[wary ice]

you shouldnt need to sbs->muti->snd cause of CttC and MA

[timber basalt]

subterfuge and mfd

[limber lion]

Then you would vanish and apply garrotes to everything

You would want to put all bleeds up (4 garrotes, CT and 1-2 Ruptures) before vanishing

So all of those bleeds will tick during your MA window

[timber basalt]

right

[vocal charm]

Does Assassination have a good general legendary for noobs? Or should I just have a separate one for dungeons and raid

[limber lion]

Usually people opt to have Doomblade for raiding and Zoldyck for m+.

But Zoldyck is a perfect all-around legendary that works in raids as well.

It's not too far off.

[vocal charm]

Cool. Now I have to pray servers come up soon so I can speedrun that torghast wing

[vagrant bison]

you can do twisting corridors for that too

[vocal charm]

Wait really? I've had all those before twisting corridors on my main/main alt so I didn't even know

[timber basalt]

just restart level 3 until you get the correct wing

[vocal charm]

do you get it at the end of all 18? Or just the end of the wing

[lofty shell]

wings change at 6 and 12 iirc

not exactly sure but if you don't have a legendary from a specific wing it will drop at the end of that wing in TC

that's a way to bypass the torghast rotation

[desert birch]

How do you know if you're in the correct wing tho? 😮

[lofty shell]

debuff / room visuals or mobs

like if u enter TC and are in coldheart wing u will see the debuff from that wing giving enemy mobs more health

[plucky sluice]

yeah i will see - but its no guranteed crit. and i dont know if 1CP SnD is enough time

[desert birch]

oooh ty

first legendary to craft for gearing and shit would be Zoldryck right? mainly gearing through pvp/m+

[wary ice]

sbs->snd-> 1) muti->2)Garrote->3)Ven+Rupture-> 4) mut -> 5)mut->6) shiv->7)Vanish+env @plucky sluice you're about 5 seconds over if you just never crit your opener

[stoic needle]

If you're pvping you want MA. zoldyck is useless for pvp

[desert birch]

ok say m+ then x)

(total rogue noob here)

[stoic needle]

Craft a rank 1 ma and then a rank 1 zoldyck

That's just 2 weeks with of ash

[gusty mirage]

Better to have multiple rank 1s than one rank 3

[stoic needle]

The ilvl difference doesn't matter

[desert birch]

okok

ty!

😄

MA for pvp and ZOldyck for m+

?

[gusty mirage]

The biggest part is the power, the ilvl is secondary 🙂

Yeah I’d craft MA first because it’s useful for all 3 specs and then zold will be good for m+ and good enough for raid as assa

[desert birch]

okok 🙂 and if you know you only wanna play assassination?

still go with MA first?

[gusty mirage]

If you plan on doing some pvp, def go MA first

[stoic needle]

Yeah, MA is useable in m+

But zoldyck is not useable in pvp

Lmao

So unless you want to wait a week and only do m+ for a week until you get MA

Idk better to craft it first

[vocal charm]

I hate PVP so Zoldyck it is

[stoic needle]

Craft ma with vers/haste or vers/mastery

[gusty mirage]

I feel that

[desert birch]

Prob will do most m+

[vocal charm]

Hates PvP but could be rerolling to rogue

[spice spire]

We’re more than PvP slaves

[leaden garden]

Hey guys, vs how many targets do I put up CT?

[umbral slate]

Do we have a good WA package?

[stoic needle]

1

[gusty mirage]

In m+? 1 or higher, you CT outside of shiv windows in ST

[leaden garden]

aha gottcha, thanks

I was thinking in m+, on bosses for example, if it would be worth or no

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you’d still keep up CT

Are servers up yet so I can check my weekly box of disappointment?

[vocal charm]

Nope

[stoic needle]

I got the spires neck last night so I don't really need anything from the vault anymore

So of course that means I'm going to get pox, iqd and Phial at 226

[vocal charm]

Oh, servers are down for 2 hours it says in game

[brittle pawn]

just extended to 9 pst

[vocal charm]

back to diablo

[lofty shell]

what do you need from it

[spice spire]

Cringe

Imagine getting everything you need from the vault

[stoic needle]

What would you even pick if you were forced to choose between those 3

I have no idea

[lofty shell]

mainhand prob best dps upgrade

[spice spire]

Phial out of spite

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic needle]

I have a 226 mainhand

[umbral slate]

Thanks already found that one though 🙂

[stoic needle]

But pox would still be ~1% up

[lofty shell]

if your 226 mainhand isn't pox idd

[stoic needle]

So would 220-226 Phial, and 220-226 iqd

[lofty shell]

1-1,5% free dps

[spice spire]

Solely because of ur origin story though. Missing the phial for a billion weeks.

[lofty shell]

i got them all 220 atm :>

[stoic needle]

They're all about the same upgrade and all equally as rare

[lofty shell]

not like i'm ever getting those things in vault 😛

[limber lion]

I don't remember when I last got an upgrade from the vault

I was thinking of doing 4 m+

[gusty mirage]

Idk anymore the more gear I get the worse I seem to do

[limber lion]

But 0*2 is still 0

[spice spire]

Lol

[gloomy fern]

maybe try to kill raid bosses

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

It's been 2 months of extending now.

[gloomy fern]

sire %?

[limber lion]

2%

[vocal charm]

Also been extending forever

[limber lion]

Had a rank 1 pull on it as well

But boss isn't dead

[gusty mirage]

we're doing a reclear today boys

[spice spire]

Then once you kill, guild’s gonna die 🙂

[limber lion]

So doesn't matter

[spice spire]

Toxic

[gusty mirage]

we lost 2 DKs and have to gear 2 people's alts so we'll never get back to council

[lofty shell]

yikes

[vocal charm]

I suggested doing a reclear... but nope. We start sludgefist tonight 🙏

[spice spire]

Yikes

[limber lion]

Hopefully ya'll kill SLG in under 300 pulls :))

[stoic needle]

imagine getting a mythic vault

couldn't be me

[limber lion]

Nor me

[lofty shell]

the trick is don't progress past hungering then u always start fresh

[stoic needle]

sludgefist dies tonight

[limber lion]

We started extending on council

Whose idea was that

[vocal charm]

I will be perfectly happy with a 9/10 tier. Nyalotha I was 2/whatever lol

[light bluff]

Sorry if this is maybe a stupid question but I’m levelling a rogue for the first time so I’m pretty unfamiliar. Just curious, when I use fan of knives I’ve noticed it doesn’t always seem to apply my poisons to every target, even when the pull is less than 8 targets. Is it only a chance? Or is it based on crits? I usually have to use it 2-3 times to apply my poisons to everything.

[limber lion]

Sire is the easier of the 2

[vocal charm]

I know but SLG might take us to the end if we even get it

[limber lion]

It's the same rate, it says so in the tooltip of FoK

[strange python]

gotta love getting pog parses during prog only to get cucked on the kill....my sludge parse was ass cuz someone stood on me with circle after last pillar T_T

[limber lion]

So 50% per hit

[light bluff]

Ohh I didn’t even realize it had a chance to apply poisons ok thank you

[strange python]

was doin 7.4-7.5dps at that point

[gloomy fern]

if u didnt play CT it was dead

[limber lion]

Yeah if PB did 1m damage

:----)

[gloomy fern]

but you should legit delay ur cds to after 1st blood price

[limber lion]

Probably

[gloomy fern]

but yeah 5 neutralize who picniced

[limber lion]

A lot of people just start running around randomly when the last overlap happens

They don't know where to go

Or they get orbs and panic

[gloomy fern]

i finally get to reclear tomorrow

[limber lion]

I'll hopefully get to reclear next week

Hopefully no one goes on a break or quits or something

Still haven't killed Council myself

[gloomy fern]

ima trial while boosting 10/10 fun times

hopefully it favors kill timers

[primal lily]

For people in here with Zoldyck and Doomblade. Do you ever feel Zoldyck is worth using in M+

[hard pivot]

Yes

[daring brook]

BRO tried sin forreal last night in CN and i love sin

like holy shit

is it viable in M+ though? I feel like there's barely any aoe

[primal lily]

Kinda deciding if I should make both at the moment or just go deep on 1 😛

[gusty mirage]

depends on what key levels you want to do, it's fine up to 20s

[daring brook]

interesting

[gusty mirage]

I know Ryfie's been timing 20s and 21s as assa

[daring brook]

i heard pvp is poppin off with sin lately as well

are people using MA in pvp with sin?

[gusty mirage]

I think they're using doom in 3s and MA in 2s

#pvp would probably know more though tbh

I'm just an 1800 shitter

[daring brook]

lul

[stoic needle]

zoldyck is largely better overall for M+

[vocal charm]

I finished leveling the other day and holy moly why do they wait so long to give you whatever that slice and dice extender is called

[stoic needle]

because blizzard doesn't care about the leveling experience

at all

not even a little bit

[vocal charm]

Made the spec feel 500x better instantly

[strange python]

it was a brand new passive in 9.05 so i guess they figured just unlock at cap

[vital haven]

i think they care a little bit

[vocal charm]

Oh, that’s what made assassination good now

[vital haven]

considering

what came with SL

[grand ridge]

they removed it and brought it back

glad they did bring it back

[balmy anvil]

yea, its not new, its jsut back

[strange python]

ah well i didnt play sin at the start of SL cuz it was terrible

[stoic needle]

if they actually cared they'd change the abilities you get while leveling to make the specs actually feel similar to the way they do at 60 while leveling but they don't

[strange python]

was forced to ride the sub and outlaw train

[grand ridge]

I think mobs being a different level than you is important to the leveling experience. going from one zone to another deciding on which one is a good pick based on your level

[balmy anvil]

i came back after quitting early in cata, sin was the only rotation that looked remotely familiar

[grand ridge]

everything being the same level takes all the fun out of it in that respect

[stoic needle]

agreed

[vital haven]

you can argue that they can do it better, but to say they dont care like my dude, we got exile's reach in SL they reduced the cap to 60 they did the whole chromie thing

looks to me like they care

[stoic needle]

the leveling experience scaling with you is weird as hell and makes all of the old content feel incredibly disjointed

[limber lion]

Me too 😦

[amber mountain]

I'm just not that good. I've only started timing 10's

[stoic needle]

whoverion?

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

[grand ridge]

I run m+ as assassination

assassination aoe is just more fun than the other specs to me

and I pull my weight just fine as assassination

[limber lion]

Yup

[pastel shale]

Sin just has a bad rep in M+

[grand ridge]

I was kicked from a group once after the tank inspected me and noticed I wasn't outlaw :c

[stoic needle]

Sin does roughly equal damage to outlaw in m+ right now

Just has less utility

[pastel shale]

same

[vital haven]

...

[grand ridge]

what does everyone think of warcraft logs for tracking m+ dps

[balmy condor]

Underused and underrated tool

Just have to be aware that wcl uses out of combat time when it reports dps

[grand ridge]

yeah I noticed that

[balmy condor]

And everything else does not

[stoic needle]

It's fine as long as you don't look at the parse %

[balmy condor]

Yeah idk what those numbers are supposed to show

[stoic needle]

They're the same as other parses, but most people don't upload mythic + logs

[grand ridge]

most of the time my logs come from me leaving wcl open from raid night lmao

[balmy condor]

My stuff auto-logs everything instanced

And then I dump it

[grand ridge]

is that using the wcl addon?

[limber lion]

Yeh same, but I only livelog the raids.

[balmy condor]

Yep

[vestal wren]

logging your keys on wcl is the best thing you can do

[balmy condor]

X to doubt

Recording your gameplay

Is far better

[stoic needle]

I don't have the hard drive space for that

[grand ridge]

I got a 100 parse on hogger

[vestal wren]

not sure

[limber lion]

And having one of those addons that show which abilities you press

[balmy condor]

Pogger

[limber lion]

So you can watch what you're doing

[daring brook]

WHYYY is it still friggin offffflineeee

[vestal wren]

the only thing you don't see in the log is ground effects

[limber lion]

Might be pretty hard to tell in the middle of 5 mobs what's happening if you don't have one of those

[strange python]

maint extended another hr

[stoic needle]

Trufigcd

[daring brook]

:(((

i want my pvp wep from vault

it's gon happen

[balmy condor]

I mean sure, but a video is much more clear than a replay from a log

[vestal wren]

is the replay feature dissabled in m+?

[stoic needle]

No it's not

But I don't think the replays show ground effects

[vestal wren]

thats what i was saying ^^

ground effects are something you won't see in the log

but you have a easier time seeing why somone died

[amber mountain]

And for melee, ground effects are crucial

[vestal wren]

if its not obviouse

[limber lion]

I think that you should use both

[vestal wren]

would be insane to link wcl with your replay

[limber lion]

You use the replay to watch the gameplay then you use the logs to see specific things in detail

Like if someone gets oneshot, you'll look at the log and see why it happened

[balmy condor]

The infinity stones coming together

[vestal wren]

sync

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[amber mountain]

I use shadowplay to capture a replay any time I die, just so I can see the last 20 seconds

that tied with WCL has helped me know what sort of stupid i get into

[vestal wren]

wcl could be rly nice

[amber mountain]

I'm colourblind, and it was those replays combined with logs that led me to swear by GTFO >.<

[spice spire]

I hate this

[stoic needle]

I love it

[vestal wren]

because you could write a script to see your timings on packs

[spice spire]

Yeah GTFO is huge this tier specifically.
Green swirlies with red effects in top get me every time 🙂

[amber mountain]

yeah, the covenant effects really do not help >.<

[stoic needle]

The color schemes of ground effects this expansion is fucked up

[vestal wren]

i think there is potential to do some 3rd party stuff that uses wcl and give you some usefull information for m+

[spice spire]

And sanguine is always fun 🙂
Glad I’m no longer the only colorblind person here

[stoic needle]

Deplete Analyzer

[vestal wren]

d.io analyzes who to not group with

[balmy condor]

Yeah because wowanalyzer is such a success

[vestal wren]

well wow analyzer is for all specs seperate

i talk more about metadata

e.g. create a timeline/map that shows your pathing and how long you took for each pack

[balmy condor]

I see

In that regard I think exporting mdt routes from logs

Could be good

[vestal wren]

you could inject the data into mdt or sth

or vice versa create routes from logs

[limber lion]

Next project for you?

[vestal wren]

tbh i rly should start some of my project ideas

i have quite a lot

i am just lazy

[limber lion]

Yeh, something fun to do on the side

[gusty mirage]

Honestly same. I’ve been staring at my desk for the last 3 hours. I’ve gotten nothing done today

[limber lion]

Me every day.

[shy dust]

👀

[limber lion]

It's easy to just sit on the computer doing nothing instead of doing chores or school work.

I'm also quite lazy at practicing violin/viola, should be putting 3+ hours a day.

[gusty mirage]

So true

[limber lion]

But I don't practice nearly enough

[vestal wren]

3h/day sounds like a lot

neverless i think we move a bit to much away from the channel topic

[limber lion]

That's pretty normal for someone playing professionally.

[vestal wren]

i hope for ptr, to get some more news about wow and hype

[limber lion]

Yeh, good ol' #assassination

We should have already gotten ptr

[spice spire]

Assassinating our hopes and dreams. Seems in brand

[limber lion]

I'm kinda salty that we still don't have it

[spice spire]

Same

[gusty mirage]

Wasn’t it supposed to be out today??

“In the coming weeks”

[stoic needle]

it was supposed to be out "soon"

[gusty mirage]

Blizz that doesn’t mean month

[vestal wren]

its supposed to be out this week

[limber lion]

"In 2 weeks" - 2 weeks ago

[vestal wren]

there is not a date

[stoic needle]

it could be friday

[vestal wren]

it could be friday from what we know

[stoic needle]

or next monday

[gusty mirage]

I’m about to craft the maw rat leggo out of boredom

[spice spire]

Oh no

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

It’d probably so good for tmog runs. Think about it

[limber lion]

Just get Sagacity then

[dull cloak]

imagine they buff phantasma legendary. and introduce a raid boss in 9.1 with phantasma/anima powee mechanics and that lego becomes bis

[limber lion]

!guid

[icy haven]

please dont start

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-dont-you-dare-the-office-michael-scott-gif-9247065

[odd hazel]

what would you consider our best trinket? currently running phial/skulkers. what would be the best to aim for as a replacement for skulkers? i see IQD doing well as well as dreadfire.

[shy dust]

dreadfire/phial

iqd and phial also very good

[odd hazel]

Cool! thanks

[gusty mirage]

226 shadowgrasp totem boys

[dense quest]

guys, should i have sinful rev on the off hand and celestial guidance on the main ?

[gusty mirage]

doesn't matter

[gusty mirage]

WITH leech Poggers

[dusk lion]

Zoldyck you want on feet right?

[stoic needle]

legs

[dusk lion]

Ty ty

[limber lion]

[fallen current]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[lost mist]

what about that ep+ma+mfd talent build?

[sour wraith]

what about it

[lost mist]

it seems to be good, but it don't sim high, i think it is because the sim rotation open with mfd+snd and doesn't use it for stack flagellation (vanish>env>mfd>env>mut)

[limber lion]

What are you talking about?

In ST or m+?

Or

[lost mist]

sorry

ST

[limber lion]

SnD is our best finisher

[lost mist]

i know

[limber lion]

But that does make me think of something

[lost mist]

my point is that maybe the "sim opener" isn't the best, and that's why it doesn't sim higher, because if u use mfd every flagellation u have more stacks of haste easily

(and more damage)

and this is the 2nd flag

[balmy condor]

Those are very minor things

I’ll look into optimizing

But I find it very hard to believe that those 4-5 gcd’s would have any large gain

[compact pumice]

Also, MFD is most probably better used to get an extra envenom during shiv compared to flag. Though best would be a shiv window right after flag

[lost mist]

me too, but i think the "real thing" (what is maybe only 0.1~0.2% dps) is MFD being cast outside of flagellation

[compact pumice]

Also MFD for SND might be better?

For first go

[heavy skiff]

Dude same

[limber lion]

Just tried it

And it's very, very small

[balmy condor]

It does that

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/506435958c77c59654e166c4d315fe55

20 big dps

[stoic needle]

huge

[limber lion]

For the boys

[lost mist]

HAHAHA

[limber lion]

But

If you use SnD at 28s before the pull

[strange python]

stupid question but does garrote crit?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

It's even more than that

[strange python]

in use with MA leggo

thanks

[balmy condor]

Well it doesn’t snapshot

[soft shale]

you dont get 2 cp

[balmy condor]

But during those 4 seconds it will crit

[heavy skiff]

30 sec pull timer inc

[strange python]

ah gotchas

[wise fiber]

So. need some insight here. Got Memory of past sins 226. it could replace IQD 220. at 50% proc still sims higher. (by 13) should i stick with IQD 220? (i mostly raid)

[strange python]

so still get 4 garrotes off after stealh

[lost mist]

just try to tell your RL to reset the boss so u can start with SnD

[strange python]

when using MA leggo

[balmy condor]

Yes

[strange python]

thank youuu

[balmy condor]

Or 3 + something

Either way

[balmy condor]

Yep iqd is fine

[strange python]

i was using doomblade for tyrannical week cuz i felt it helped with bosses

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s probably not worth most of the time

[strange python]

gotchas

[stoic needle]

it can work on sd, plaguefall, and top but otherwise i think you lose too much overall

[old depot]

For IQD lust proc, is it the highest % or highest total stat that procs

[frosty cedar]

highest total

[old depot]

Dam.... I'm off track by like +200 haste over Crit. Is IQD only worth it if you are Crit dominant?

[stoic needle]

Sim it

Can still be good

But crit will be more dps

[lost mist]

tried, mfd at pull 23, u should be able to use it right after vanish

[wide ridge]

what are the secondary stats on sire daggers?

[lost mist]

haste/vers

[wide ridge]

ew

no crit

[lost mist]

are good stats

[limber lion]

Yes, that is a significant gain

[wide ridge]

are you guys using mfd on ST?

[limber lion]

I asked about it as well a few days ago, but I don't think that it's a wise idea to force the MFD pre-pull at 20s+.

[lost mist]

no, we are just testing some things

[limber lion]

Most people use 10-15s pull timers, so it would skew results

[lost mist]

yes, that's sad but maybe if u know very well your group

you can predict when they will dbmpull

😢

[sinful flicker]

hey guys, so im torn. I have a 226 skulkers/220phial. Im looking to replace the skulkers cause its so darn inconsistent. I have either a 220iqd or a 220 shadowgrasp. Im mainly going to be doing M+, which one should i go for?

the skulkers is currently simming the highest

[pure moth]

You cant predict prepulls before count down ends. Or even people who yell stop pull at 5 seconds either. Then they start another count down...

[lost mist]

PLUS! im a ragnaros player, so that happens everytime

[pure moth]

Lol

[lost mist]

joke, my group is good

at least the avg

[pure moth]

That's good.

[wide ridge]

how is it inconsistent? i'd understand if you said it was annoying, which it is

[dawn hull]

whats best assassination lego?

doomblade on hands?

[lost mist]

ST is doomblade/hands

[sinful flicker]

@wide ridge i have times where i use it and it wont go off. On details it says i have 5 casts but only 4 did damage. i have times where it would teleport me straight to an explosive on mythic+ its just all over the place. if im doing sludgefist, sure its really consistent.

[dawn hull]

ty

[stoic needle]

Iqd

If you change your stats so that crit is one of your highest it will be even better

[sinful flicker]

does it go by percent or by number. like im at 28% crit 21% haste. but my haste is 700+ but crit is 600ish

[shy dust]

Rating

So actual number

[lost mist]

i just tried something, 5 cp consume in 1 min (20-10-10-10-10) so if u mfd in between 23-58 sec prepull i will be fine (because SnD with 1 cp duration is 12 sec, and the 1st envenom is at 6~8 secs)
so u have a lot of time gap before they call the prepull hahaha

[stoic needle]

change your gems and enchants to full crit

[sinful flicker]

already changed lol

[slender trail]

was someone saying bleeds under MA snapshot the crit (both item and talent)?

or did i mishear

[stoic needle]

You misheard

[balmy condor]

I was saying they do not

[slender trail]

ok, great. because they don't (obviously) so i just wanted to verify

[timid coral]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[gusty mirage]

I took the superior dos trinket and I’m@not sorry @stoic needle

[shy dust]

👀

[stoic needle]

shadowgrasp stans

smh my head

have fun when your tank kites everything away from your trinket

[gusty mirage]

Jokes on you, imma use that shit in raid

They going to be kiting the boss?

🤔

[stoic needle]

it looks like a fun trinket ngl

[timid coral]

in cases where vendetta/lust are desynced, is there any advantage to using potion with lust vs. vend?

[balmy condor]

vend is a bigger gain

so you would pop with vend

[stoic needle]

m+ mastery stonks rising

[gusty mirage]

I’ll report back my findings, and my frustrations when I use it in m+

[stoic needle]

i've been potting with lust this whole time

TIL

[gloomy fern]

i mean u bl on pull most of the time anyway

[icy haven]

decent amount of fights in CN where you dont

[gloomy fern]

sure u dont do it on sire, slg, sludge, and council but most of the fight its lined with ur cds anyway

[icy haven]

doomblade for PF yay or nay?

[stoic needle]

sure

[icy haven]

go ma talent with doom or keep subter?

[stoic needle]

subterfuge

[balmy condor]

yeah never take MA in m+

[cosmic kelp]

is there any circumstance you would still envenom at 4cp with DS or should it always be 5-6

[limber lion]

Always 5-6

[lost mist]

The odds that u overcap with mut 4 to 8 cp are very low so u should use garrote within pandemic or shiv to reach 5-6 cp, and if u can't just fill with mut

[proven ice]

If your shiv window is ending wouldn’t you envenom at 4?

Or your MA window

[balmy condor]

no

you wouldn't

[scarlet swift]

sorry if this has been asked before, but you you hold venthyr ability for vendetta? or just use on CD?

[proven ice]

CD

[shy dust]

Use on cd

You can sync if you won’t lose a cast

[proven ice]

Sync on sledge tho

[scarlet swift]

so venthyr and shiv should always be on CD then unless I have a few seconds to hold for vend? like say its 5-10sec?

[proven ice]

Shiv should be used with 4-6 cp

On CD. Unless delaying it a few seconds aligns it with sepsis pop

[scarlet swift]

ty

[proven ice]

Sry. Disregard that cp part.

As long as you’re not about to rupture.

[gloomy fern]

u know ur tired when u go into a sludge kill and play whole fight without poison and dont even notice

[proven ice]

You didn’t notice you had half the energy you should??

[shy dust]

That does not bode well for your odds of passing me

[gloomy fern]

was just a hc to try out potion swap

[wise fiber]

Do you guys sim IQD at 100 % or 50% ?

[stoic needle]

100% because lust guarantees stats and you're nearly guaranteed to get stats on the first use as well

[wise fiber]

K thanks.

Im still struggling to decide if i keep IQD220 or picking SINS 226 from vault. IQDshows a 40 dps increase at 100% . then again i most mythic top and middle logs Vial and Sins are more common than Vial and IDQ (even iqd 226)

Did you find Sins to be better in practice?

[shy dust]

IQD is amazing

favorite trinket

[stoic needle]

That's because iqd is less common than past sins

[wise fiber]

yeah if i had IQD 226 its a no brainer. just wondering about this 220 version. and Sins 226.

[stoic needle]

Well if the 220 sims better than the 226 sins

I don't see what the question is

It's better

[wise fiber]

yeah. my doubt was about the 100% proc and you answered that already so IQD it its. ty

[topaz axle]

the rule to finish at 4-6CP's?

[pastel shale]

Max -1

or max

So with DS, finish at 5-6. Without, 4-5

[topaz axle]

tyvm

[charred geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[terse willow]

hey guys! im new to assasination and am about to craft my first leggo, was wondering what a good general leggowould be since i enjoy mplus, pvp, and raiding, thanks for any tips 🙂

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is a good all-around legendary for most content.

Doomblade is great for raiding and PvP

MA is great for everything as well and is great for multi-specing

I would choose either Zoldyck or MA as your first legendary.

[terse willow]

thank you for the tips!

[grand ridge]

Zoldyck is also very easy to get the most use compared to ma

[bronze marsh]

Is CT worth investing in for ST outside of shiv windows when running Doomblade? Or does it mess with getting the full value of the leggo by spending less cp on envenom over the course of a typical raid boss fight

[balmy condor]

we maintain CT regardless of legendary on single target, outside of shiv

[bronze marsh]

Gotcha, thanks!

[jovial spear]

How long does it take to rejoin a covenant, and how long will it take to get back the ability?

and will I lose my current ability, before I get the other one back? will I end up without a covenant for a while, and therefore no ability and soulbinds?

[fading elm]

any idea why Ass sims 500 dps lower than Outlaw on Patchwerk? I'm sure I do more single target DPS as Ass. I made sure to switch talents / gear for the sims

[quick lantern]

Swapped to venthyr about 3 days ago, its a short couple of quests to get the cov abilities, and thanks to LFR and such i hit 26 renown before reset today. You join up with the new one immediately and it sends you out to the new hall to acquire everything. Worst thing was regrinding anima/renown.

[limber lion]

link the sim

[slow marsh]

damn these vault drops and trying to sim them

[limber lion]

Just type /simc with the vault open and then use top gear to sim them all at the same time.

[slow marsh]

Yeah I am

[stoic needle]

hitting that sim limit?

[slow marsh]

yeah

[limber lion]

Ah.

[slow marsh]

Also

[stoic needle]

yeah i just upgraded today

[slow marsh]

Doomblade optimization vs zold

[stoic needle]

had to stop leeching off my old guildy's account and get my own

i mean doomblade and zoldyck don't gear any differently

[slow marsh]

They do for me right now

[stoic needle]

the only legendary as rogue that changes the way you want to gear is MA

[slow marsh]

Cuz doomblade favors crit and zold favors haste

[stoic needle]

how?

[slow marsh]

and i have equal gear for both

[stoic needle]

did you craft both with crit/haste

[slow marsh]

yeah

[stoic needle]

that doesn't make much sense to me. crit is better for both for me

[limber lion]

What covenant are you?

[slow marsh]

venthyr

[stoic needle]

i've never seen a venthyr sim favor haste

[slow marsh]

For zold it does for me. idk why

It's close

[stoic needle]

like what are we talking here, just gems and enchants or swapping whole rings and other peices

[slow marsh]

I have two necks that are 220 one big crit one big haste

So it involves swapping neck and regemming

and reenchanting rings

It's weird and frustrating so that's why i'm annoyed

[limber lion]

I mean yeah it does the same for me as well

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's not a huge deal

But its enough to be annoying to me

[limber lion]

Like

I mean

It makes sense.

[slow marsh]

Yeah it does make sense

[steep reef]

gm assassination hope everyone is enjoying #niceweek

[subtle tundra]

but its 23:22

[slow marsh]

My only option really is 226 arachnid (currently have 220) or 226 wicked blade (haste >mastery) over 220 generals shoulders. Depending on what enchants/gems combo I have they both sim higher than each other

[prisma carbon]

zoldyck still better than doomblade for m sire prog?

[limber lion]

It depends on what your group and you value more.

They're both solid picks.

[stable moss]

does SBS get affected by zoyd?

[stoic needle]

yes

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9pqi24uf9w1v5GscVfka3v necro dslice sims lookin' kinda nice

[stable moss]

was thinking of going necro for SLG and Sire prog

[stoic needle]

that's exactly what i'm doing

as soon as sludge dies

tonighT

[limpid violet]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[wide ridge]

spiteful week again 🤡

remove this affix please @blizzard

[stoic needle]

outlaw week*

[wide ridge]

both spiteful and the tornado ones = degen

imagine playing melee

🤡

[stoic needle]

spiteful storming is truly hell in a videogame

[wide ridge]

rangeds have volcanic

which is a joke

smh rant over

[balmy condor]

@stoic needle I have a wet dream for you

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

so that + the vial which is the "stand behind deal extra damage on finisher"

makes for a single 5mil envenom

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/super-nut-luigi-video-game-cry-out-gif-17899942

i've been making my way through the twisting corridors layers so i can unlock layer 8 and start messing around with full mastery gear for the biggest possible envenoms

[balmy condor]

I had 120% mastery and IQD'd for mastery for that envenom

[stoic needle]

i'll like collect every soul remnant for 18 floors and pile on every possible mastery proc and whatnot

yes god

[hallow summit]

how is quantum device for us?

good bad?

[sullen pagoda]

[hallow summit]

(8

[balmy condor]

its good

[slow marsh]

mucho good

[sullen pagoda]

its decent but i wouldnt use it for actual bosses

[limber lion]

It's great and I would use it on most bosses.

[sullen pagoda]

dont contradict me 😠

[limber lion]

[prisma carbon]

@limber lion is it worth using on sire? it sims slightly lower than my other trinket when set at 50%. we're stilling ironing out p2 stuff so idk how good it would be for p3

[sullen pagoda]

but ye its just another good trinket its not DK level of o shit i got iqd

[loud niche]

anyone have the macro for IQD to not execute dmg, and to always give me my stats?

[sullen pagoda]

dont target boss :4head:

[loud niche]

is that really it?

[limber lion]

/cleartarget
/use inscrutable quantum device
/targetlasttarget

[limber lion]

Definitely especially if it's simming better for you at 50%

You get stats at the beginning and during the big add

[loud niche]

Whispyr said to sim it at 80%

[limber lion]

P3 is a bit jank and you might heal or give someone mana even if the wa tells you that isn't the case.

[sullen pagoda]

if u have vessel its pog p3 cuz its perfect 3 uses unless you are pepega like me and dont use last use 🙂

[limber lion]

Ye that's true

[prisma carbon]

im using 220 phial + 226 skulkers atm, but i have 220 iqd and 220 dreadfire

[sullen pagoda]

skulker is also 1.5min

[gloomy fern]

skulkers is fun, u can ignore knockbacks ands tuff

[loud niche]

i just got a 220 IQD bc raidbots said to for a .4% dps buff, i have 226 skulk, phial, past sins, 220dreadfire

oh! @limber lion did you get donny down yet?

[limber lion]

2% yesterday.

Dying tomorrow!

Missed the reset and reclear by a hair

Oh well

[loud niche]

sooo close! I just got recruited by a new guild, they said they'll probably clear it tonight or tomorrow night as well! 😄

[limber lion]

Niice!

Can't wait to start reclearing

Last clear was Feb 10th

Over 2 months ago :^)

[sullen pagoda]

sire reclears are biggest tilters ever

every week same ppl forgetting how to do seeds

[loud niche]

I've had more than enough reclear of 1-6... I think I'll vomit if I hear huntsman's killing blow audio one more time

or xymox killing blow audio for that matter

[plain thistle]

the fun part is slg re clear

[loud niche]

got to 6/10 so early in the tier and just came to a halt. Now I'm hopeful to finally clear out 10/10M, and get my first CE. First time trying for it, and was super happy with my prog in 9.0 for an assassination rogue anyhow

[sullen pagoda]

@plain thistle dude somehow we 2-3 shot slg but sire fucking 50 pulls every week

[gloomy fern]

i mean if u cleared slg on hard mode its very trivial now

[sullen pagoda]

yea we did it before nerfs

[plain thistle]

same, but still harder than sire

[wise gull]

I'm trialing in a 9/10 guild, might be in on sire tomorrow

im nervous

[gusty mirage]

You got this make us proud

[limber lion]

You and me brother, let's kill it

[loud niche]

cev, is the wa by necrophos any good?

[ionic kelp]

yo same, cant wait to surprise my guild when i roll in playing sub

[loud niche]

tried to use, looked like it just shows when the trinket is up idk

although, it does say it shows what WILL be procced

[sullen pagoda]

@ionic kelp sub p3 your gm is gonna be really happy when he sees that boss dmg

[wise gull]

It's the guild that limit max coaches so I'm even extra nervous

but really excited

[limber lion]

Yeh I use that!

[sullen pagoda]

@wise gull is that tonight id be interesting in watching that

[safe barn]

slightly tilted?

[loud niche]

How does it work? It seems to only tell me what I'm getting after I've used it? I was under the impression I'd be getting an idea of what it will proc prior to use

[limber lion]

When it doesn't say anything, it gives you stats. You can add the text to it if you want

[wise gull]

yessir

[loud niche]

oohhhh

[wise gull]

wed/mon

[limber lion]

But when it's something else but stats, it'll say "Mana" or "heal" or whatever.

[safe barn]

gl dude! im sure everything will be fine

[loud niche]

ty for the help!

[limber lion]

Happy to help the IQD gang

[loud niche]

i dont even like this trinket. Lets go 233 DfV

[torpid spoke]

anything cool on PTR?

[wise gull]

i'm not too worried, i know i'll be fine after a couple pulls. they're pretty early on sire prog too

[balmy condor]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/

[dense axle]

wait, why?

[pulsar coral]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/910-chains-of-domination-ptr-notes/936527 new soulbind tiers

[dense axle]

im just reporting what im seeing on tooltips. Am I breaking some rule?

[split veldt]

poggers

[wise gull]

did a single m+ 30 minutes before reset this week

[drowsy snow]

tooltip comparisons don't mean actual damage changes

[wise gull]

got my biggest upgrade

lets gooo

[dense axle]

well yeha, so im gonna check that now

[balmy condor]

no, I'm just trying to keep unconfirmed/misinformed data to a minimum

because those types of claims can very easily just spread all over the place

and I'd rather not have to deal with it

[dense axle]

that doesnt make sense, but ok

[balmy condor]

how does that not make sense

[dense axle]

"unconfirmed" I'm looking at the raw numbers in the same gear

[balmy condor]

yes

[dense axle]

raw tooltips*

[balmy condor]

yes you are

and considering nothing is mentioned in the official notes

[dense axle]

not everything makes it into official notes though

[balmy condor]

I will say that idc if your tooltip says it does a million damage

[split veldt]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-patch-9-1-chains-of-domination-ptr-patch-notes-321822

[shrewd night]

[dense axle]

ok but im seeing rupture nerf in logs now

[balmy condor]

ability nerfs and buffs certainly do

[dense axle]

er, combat log*

[balmy condor]

fantastic

I'm still going to crack down on it though

but thank you for sharing

[dense axle]

uh huh

[split veldt]

nerfs to fire mage, afflock and boomy

[torpid spoke]

dude

[loud niche]

locks just got a bomb dropped on them holy shit

[torpid spoke]

fatal flaw on nadjia

that's insane

[wise gull]

bye aff locks

[stoic needle]

heirmir's execute

pretty cool