assassination

[limber lion]

Do you have logs or something to look at?

[patent topaz]

I did, maybe I didnt delete

nah, looks like I did delete it

was one 5 min test and then I did a 5 min just ST and did more on main target there, will log a test tomorrow

what I did was full ST opener then kept up bleeds + poison on secondary but I did let secondary drop if it would delay / fuck up shivs or other cds on main

[primal gazelle]

at how many targets would you crimson tempest spam instead of enveom/more ruptures?

[limber lion]

Never.

You always want to keep CT up on everything (but not spam it) and outside of that you keep applying ruptures/garrotes to everything that lives close to the full duration.

[limber lion]

Guess you just need a bit more practice with it. You should prio keeping all 4 bleeds up at all times, including poisons.

[patent topaz]

yeah I mainly did the test to set up a focus bleed + poison WA

[clever vapor]

Hey fellas, if I am able to parse 95-99 at 212 ilvl, does that mean I'd be able to parse the same at 225 ilvl. Logic leads me to believe I would be able, but at the same time people at high ilvl would have BIS gear so to speak, so parsing that well would be harder because everyone is more or less optimized

[balmy condor]

ilvl parses are super jank

[limber lion]

Not necessarily. Ilvl parses are very weird and don't really work that way.

[wooden cave]

Usually 90% of the best players are geared and so you are not competing against those guys on ilvl parses

[clever vapor]

I see, thanks!

[analog glade]

DreadFire Vessel take the 50 % of master assassin talent ?

[soft shale]

no

[analog glade]

HMM

He scale with nothing ?

[balmy condor]

trinkets have no interaction with class abilities

vendetta, elaborate planning, master assassin, both the talent and the legendary, all do NOT work

shiv also does not buff trinket nature damage like phial

trinkets are their own thing

[analog glade]

And with SOD sub ?

[balmy condor]

only the crit from planned execution

the conduit

the damage bonuses do nothing

[analog glade]

Ok

[tawdry falcon]

does the shiv bonus affect phil?

phial*

[tawdry falcon]

cry

is that in the pins?

i didnt see it

apologies if it is

[balmy condor]

no that was in the conversation literally 20 seconds ago

[tawdry falcon]

oh god damn lol, i just jumped in

sorry bout that

[analog glade]

@balmy condor Thanks for your time 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[tawdry falcon]

yall are fast as fuck with the screen shots

[fallen current]

Not that hard

[balmy condor]

windows shift S

is very fast

[fallen current]

So is volume up + power

[pure moth]

Or print screen button, then ctr v into chat

[balmy condor]

good luck doing that with 3 screens

[compact pumice]

Print screen is terrible with multiple screens. But Alt+Prnt Screen works on current window at least

[balmy condor]

print screen is fine

[pure moth]

Oh i don't have multiple screens. Lol

[plain thistle]

rich boy

[nocturne hawk]

Lightshot~

[final star]

If ur screens are less than 2

I feel bad for u

Can't go back to one

[fallen current]

Imagine not having more than 1 monitor.

How sad.

[final star]

I mean some people don't have space

But then

Can buy a stacked mount

[fallen current]

Wall mounts are a thing.

[final star]

Like I've got

For cheap cheap

Don't need to wall mount and some people can't do that

Like me

[fallen current]

There’s lots of mount options tho.

[final star]

Yeah I have two

Stacked

Because I have speakers

[fallen current]

I have 2 monitor arms

[final star]

I post pic in off topic

[fallen current]

Nice. My desk is a mess

[final star]

So is mine

But I cleaned it

[fallen current]

Plus it has all my work stuff on it too

So I have way too many cords cause kvm switch.

[misty holly]

I put an end table next to the desk for my second monitor lol

[final star]

Yeah all my shit is under the desk

Got too many cables and our network switch

[primal holly]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[polar vigil]

!bis

making the switch to sin from sub rn

i looked at wlogs and 100% top rank sin were doomblade

icy veins says zoldy is bis

which one should i get

[brave vector]

Should make both, for raid I would grab doom blade first, Zoldycks is decent all around if you want something you can use in raid and m+

[polar vigil]

ok imma doomblade first then

shoulder slot i guess?

[stoic needle]

hands

[brave vector]

Gloves

[polar vigil]

huh ok

gloves have more stats?

or its because of the shoulders from generals

ok

[brave vector]

I hestitate to say that it doesn’t really matter if you’re not doing mythic slg/denathrius. Someone smarter than I correct me if I’m wrong. If you are only doing heroic I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter though

[stoic needle]

yeah, if you never do mythic slg it doesn't matter but never say never imo 😉

especially since they have the same stats

[strange python]

Question. The wording on sudden fractures makes it sound like it just does a second tick but looking at the combat log the second instance of damage is actually much lower than the regular bleed. Is that normal?

Well, I say "much lower" but it's only 60ish for me, though I guess it adds up.

[drifting cloud]

yeah its bugged

its affected by armor or something and it shouldnt be

[strange python]

Aaaah, that would explain it. Thanks.

[balmy condor]

it's not affected by mastery

[strange python]

I assume it's supposed to be.

[balmy condor]

yeh

[sharp marsh]

poison bomb or crimson tempest for sire?

[balmy condor]

pb

[sharp marsh]

ty

[balmy condor]

unless you're trying to giga-pad

and you're allowed to pad on p1 adds for logs

then CT might be okay

[sharp marsh]

that is good to know

might need to do some padding

thanks!

[balmy condor]

np

[fathom swift]

does ct have smart "targeting"?

like if you have 16 enemies, and ct twice, do they all end up with the debuff? or random ones among them

[balmy condor]

random

but there is some positional targeting in it from what I've seen

so you're more likely to hit things near you

[fathom swift]

ok

same with fok?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[fathom swift]

for proximity based targeting

[balmy condor]

it's quite weird and janky

[fathom swift]

ya

i have noticed sometimes after using ct my primary target doesnt even get the dot when there's enough enemies which is real weird

[balmy condor]

yep

[fathom swift]

on another note

people seem to run vigor/ep on sludge a lot more than most other bosses

is it a burst optimization thing or feelycrafting

[low girder]

dunno about the vigor but EP is definitely a burst optimization thing

[fathom swift]

cause very short fight lengths ep/vigor does sim slightly better for me than blindside/ds but 🤷 hard to tell if thats equivalent to pillar timings

why ep over blindside for burst?

[low girder]

'cause you don't need the energy so much since you have cds up for the important pillars

at least as venthyr

[fathom swift]

guess that makes some sense

how about mfd

[low girder]

i've seen some MFD but not enough to convince me one way or another

could also totally be feelycraft here too, i don't think there's sims exactly

for this situation

[fathom swift]

you can sim timed vulnerability periods pretty easily but you wont get cds held automatically without having to do way too much work on the apl first

[low girder]

yeah

and the way it's done now there's a little bit of shiv holding as well afaik

2 off the pull, then 1 on pillar, 1 off, alternating

[fathom swift]

ya thats what i mean

[low girder]

i'd have to go look at timings again to see how much waiting we do

[tropic echo]

man fuck venthyr lol

base ilvl lashing is better than 200 wps :l

[winged basin]

any tips for someone who is bad at using utility? ie gouge, kick, kidney in dungeons?

I have weakauras for mechanics but yikes

[strange python]

In dungeons should you still bother using shiv on a single target in aoe packs or should you just spend the gcd on more fok?

Ep and vigor for sludge then?

[stoic needle]

you should always shiv on cd on a single target in aoe

you gain nothing by holding it

[torn atlas]

You just don't env spam after a shiv in packs.

[cerulean nest]

in m+ we garrote everything up and spam CT?

hopping into my first one as sin lol

[gusty mirage]

you don't spam CT

you just maintain the bleed

[balmy condor]

@low girder I actually went through and made APL optimizations for sludge specifically, but it really wasn’t interesting, if anything, it just looked like a 3 min sim with some higher numbers

@fathom swift as well I guess

[low girder]

ah true

does that mean the EP is feelcraft?

[fathom swift]

did you use it for some talent/gear comparisons or just to look at what the numbers were like

[balmy condor]

I looked at talents

The EP stuff isn’t really feelcraft

It does have some merit as a reduction to variance

And consistent pillar damage

It’s less overall, for more pillar

[fathom swift]

ok, if you go ep is it just better to use vigor as well then?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fathom swift]

cause they sim higher in tandem for me

fair enough

[balmy condor]

You either drop BS or you drop Vigor

[low girder]

anything with MFD or is that people being 4fun

[balmy condor]

With MA, very good

With doomblade, worse

[low girder]

ah

[stiff tapir]

Zoldyck gonna be v good this coming week

[balmy condor]

What?

Is there a buff I haven’t heard of

[low girder]

i haven't seen any MA on sludge tbh

i should go look

[balmy condor]

MA on sludge was a thing last patch

But doomblade buff made it pretty much irrelevant

[low girder]

i guess now it's just strictly worse?

yeah

[stiff tapir]

Oh I meant for enraging.

Extra dam when stuff gotta die is nice

[balmy condor]

Yeh I guess

[stiff tapir]

What do you run for m+? MA?

Or does it depend on the dungeon

[balmy condor]

Depends on what build I’m playing

[stiff tapir]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

If I’m playing Subt, zold

If I’m playing NS, ma

[stiff tapir]

Oooh subterfuge annmddd…

Is subt more aoe focused

[balmy condor]

Less

[stiff tapir]

Oh damn

What’s NS?

[balmy condor]

But they’re both really similar tbh

Nightstalker

[stiff tapir]

Ah okay

That’s the abilities hit like a truck out of stealth

[balmy condor]

Yes

[stiff tapir]

So your openers also change based off that too. I’d assume subt you’d triple garrote.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[stiff tapir]

And subt probably mutilate

I mean

NS

probably mutilite

[balmy condor]

Subt you triple garrote sometimes, I usually try to 4x, but you can 3x

NS you have to play with MFD and open with CT

[stiff tapir]

Oooh and it’ll hit them hard

Makes sense

Does stat priority change on those two builds

Or is it similar

[balmy condor]

Similar

People put way too much value on secondaries tbh

[stiff tapir]

Probably benefit more from agi

And wep dam

[balmy condor]

Mastery crit vers haste all do the same shit just in a different flavour

[stiff tapir]

Yeah

If anything I would think mastery is better since it impacts poisons

[balmy condor]

Mastery gets better in aoe and haste gets worse because of multidotting

But it’s kinda whatever imo

[stiff tapir]

Yeah I feel it. Lol.

[torn atlas]

Is there an actual reason why "Sin loves haste"? Is it purely an energy regen thing, or?

[stiff tapir]

Gonna make zoldyck this coming week

Isn’t it all of the above for haste

[balmy condor]

Lots of dots

[stiff tapir]

Faster tick damage. Faster melee

[balmy condor]

It’s also energy

[stiff tapir]

Faster regen

[balmy condor]

But just lots of dots lots of melee

Means good for haste

[stiff tapir]

More targets means you need less haste

[balmy condor]

Correct

[stiff tapir]

I was having that issue in BFA. Cuz sims bosses on tyran weeks were just so bad for hit crit/verse

[gloomy knoll]

you don't optimize for tyran like that

[balmy condor]

I mean you can

[gloomy knoll]

it's suboptimal

[stiff tapir]

I mean for Workshop… I pretty much went single target lol

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[gloomy knoll]

common misconception is a lot of people run st crap for tyran weeks and you don't really do that outside of dungeons that are basically pure bosses

hell on tyran weeks you do more aoe

since packs are less threatening you generally pull bigger

[stiff tapir]

True

[balmy condor]

Well that’s not really how sin works a lot of the time

We take the same talents

It’s just stats for us

[stiff tapir]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

To increase cleave/single vs aoe

If you wanted to optimize for aoe you would go crit > mast/vers

[torn atlas]

Yeah sweet. That all makes sense. I've just been simming everything I pick up and have been stagnant at 19% haste since patch. So figure it's probably over hyped or I'm just getting Sub optimal gear drops

[balmy condor]

19% is fairly good

[stiff tapir]

My aoe build is gonna have much less haste than that

[torn atlas]

Also venthyr so all that extra haste.

[stiff tapir]

Haha

Probably around 11-13% haste

[gloomy knoll]

this is why gear swapping is integral to M+ with how classes are designed

makes specs that are forced to build one way viable

[balmy condor]

Ryfie plays ~30% crit ~15% haste

But like I said earlier

[stiff tapir]

Yeah I was watching his stream

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it actually matters

[stiff tapir]

Makes me wanna play sin so bad lol

I won’t have that much crit. Actually I might.

I’ll have to see tomorrow

[balmy condor]

Ryfie also values aoe quite heavily

So take that how you want

:P

[stiff tapir]

Haha yeah

I was watching his openers

[balmy condor]

Ryfie tends to play sin more towards an aoe/overall dps

[stiff tapir]

4x garrote, CT, sbs, sbs, rupt. Sbs, rupt. Mut. Rupt.

[balmy condor]

Seliathan used to make sin work as a prio damage/health equalizer

And both are fine

[stiff tapir]

I was actually interested in the fact that ryfie never used vendetta in heavy aoe

[torn atlas]

My group for keys generally have aoe covered pretty well so I try to focus on prio targets while still multi dotting.

[gloomy knoll]

it doesn't really do anything in aoe

[torn atlas]

But we also only run around 15s

[stiff tapir]

He explained it. Saying he’s almost never be able to attack the vendetta target with that many mobs

[balmy condor]

He holds for pride a lot

[gloomy knoll]

why waste it

[balmy condor]

Yeah that too

[stiff tapir]

Yes. And he holds for pride

[balmy condor]

And I mean it’s not a waste

[stiff tapir]

I agree with it

[balmy condor]

You can gar vend on your opener

[stiff tapir]

You can use it when mobs start to die half way through the pack and you got your dots rolling.

Or that

[balmy condor]

It still gives energy

And you have the Subt garrote ticking on it

That’s good enough tbh

But that’s another contention of feelcraft vs sims

When to hold and when to send

And me and ryfie often talk about it

[stiff tapir]

Yeah, no CDR so you gotta time it real well

[balmy condor]

He holds a lot more than I would

[stiff tapir]

Yeah it’s like if you miss the window you almost gotta save it

[stoic needle]

i use vendetta on CD and have it up for every pride

dei does too

[balmy condor]

Does dei’s group do pride skips

[stiff tapir]

Oh right I gotta figure out how to get cardboard assassins lol

[stoic needle]

i'm not sure, in the keys i've watched they didn't skip

[stiff tapir]

And I need invis pots

[balmy condor]

Pride skips aren’t something you’ll need until like 21-22’s tbh

And even then, questionable

[stiff tapir]

Yeah

[torn atlas]

Do you need invis pot to skip?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[stiff tapir]

Yeah

It sees through stealth

[torn atlas]

Ahhh true.

[stiff tapir]

Before they fixed that. Man.. the value of shroud

[balmy condor]

You spawn it in a corner, invis and run away, when you come out of invis, you’re not in combat with it, and outrange

[stiff tapir]

Was ina 20 SD and we shrouded the last pack before last boss. And tbe monk tank accidentally used rushing jade wind. Feels bad.

Yeah I’m surprised you cant vanish it

If you’re out of range

[balmy condor]

Vanish is weird

[stoic needle]

you can vanish it

i did earlier today

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s possible

Wouldn’t suggest it

[stoic needle]

you have to vanish + sprint during the part where it's pulling anima from you to spawn itself

that animation

[balmy condor]

But if you time it properly it works

[stiff tapir]

Figured.

Might as well invis pot at that point

[balmy condor]

Should invis pot

[stoic needle]

yeah pretty much

[balmy condor]

Instead of vanish

[stoic needle]

it wasn't planned for us, we were about to deplete a key so we decided to skip the last pride before the boss in halls to try to time it

[balmy condor]

Ye

[stoic needle]

the pug pulled it anyway so we had to kill it but we still timed it with 3 seconds to spare XD

[stiff tapir]

Nice haha

No greater Adrenalin rush

Other than outlaw rogue

[stoic needle]

jack of all trades would be such a cool legendary for rogue

getting AR + SB + vendetta every time you use each lol

probably busted af but

[stiff tapir]

Broken

Just gimme the. Fleshcraft last 15 seconds but blows up with no target cap.

[stoic needle]

maybe at 25% for the non-spec ones

[stiff tapir]

Legendary

Hopefully they add new legendaries in 9.1

[stoic needle]

i doubt it

maybe 9.2

[cerulean nest]

not sure why but when I sim for venthyr (am nfae right now) it sims my "current gear" at 6500-something, but when i just do a quick sim it's at 6750

what gives

[balmy condor]

Change in fight settings most likely

[cerulean nest]

theyre both just default patchwerk

[balmy condor]

And you’re not over-writing any buffs?

Raid buffs the same?

[cerulean nest]

pretty sure yeah

hang on i'll send

[balmy condor]

Kk

[cerulean nest]

oh wait it's the same now

[balmy condor]

[cerulean nest]

i just ran it exactly the same again but without ring enchants/gems

weird

[pseudo hamlet]

Few questions about Sepsis+Shiv:

1. Does Shiv increase DoT damage from Sepsis?
2. Should we be using Sepsis during the Shiv window(the guide says both should be used on CD, and sometimes I have Sepsis ready during the Shiv debuff)
3. If I have both Shiv and Sepsis out of CD - should I use Shiv -> Sepsis? Or the other way round?

[quiet valley]

1. Yes
2. Yes but there is prob some threshhold for how long to hold
3. Think sepsis is 1s longer so in that case sepsis first to get the full duration

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks! Good to know, always thought that during Shiv window spamming mut(up to 4-5CP(6 with DS))+envenom is the most important thing(even more than just clicking on the Sepsis).

[limber lion]

For Night Fae, the most important thing is to use Sepsis but other than that it's just muti/env spamming. Also, do not that you want to use your vanish at the last 3-4s (depending on whether your use the MA lege or talent, respectively) of Sepsis, to get the explosion at the end to fit in the Master Assassin window.

[patent topaz]

@limber lion did a couple of 2t tests and keeping bleeds on 2nd target is still a 0 increase there. Filtered a 5 min segment to keep it consistent. On pull the opener is full single target, after that its bleeds + poison on secondary.

[limber lion]

Do you have logs?

[patent topaz]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4NAmRhFL7CgJPKWZ/#fight=last&type=damage-done&start=92031&end=392953 is the 5 min segment

not 100% perfect play but if its a huge increase it should still show

the only thing is skulker 100% goes on the off target but its still dps neutral

[limber lion]

Why don't you dot both targets up before opening?

It'll give you more energy during the opener, which in turn means more Flag stacks and more globals inside Vendetta.

[patent topaz]

specifically for council I didnt think it was useful

could try a scenario where I dot both before cds in the opener

[limber lion]

But the whole point of dotting multiple targets is to get more funnel damage by getting energy from the bleeds.

But, I don't think it'll make a huge difference.

But yeah, I don't know. I mean, like you said, the rotation isn't necessarily perfect

But the gain should be pretty significant, at least according to Koji's sims that he did.

[patent topaz]

is still 0 dps increase over 5 minutes with 90% bleed uptime on the offtarget

you do overcap sometimes with blindside procs

but its significantly more effort for 0 gain

[limber lion]

But it shouldn't be 0 gain though.

I'll have to give it a go

Could be that Koji's sims were not perfect, who knows.

[patent topaz]

maybe EP is better there but idk should show a bigger difference

curious to see more tests but for all of mine it has been no increase

and if its 0 on dummies its going to be a decrease trying to do it while attendants and recital is in the mix

[hazy crater]

well thats just up to how you play

in a sim you gain a lot of ST damage with 2 targets

[limber lion]

@patent topaz
Just did a quick 3min test with EP/Vigor for both, and it showed a 200 dps increase for me on ST, but when I did it with EP/DS it showed no gain. Not sure how accurate of a comparison it is when compared to BS/DS vs EP/Vig.

[patent topaz]

0 increase isnt a lot

[limber lion]

But 200 dps on a 3 minute target dummy test is still quite marginal and would need to test it out more.

[hazy crater]

a sim is not 0dps ahead

its a lot more

in 2t priority damage

[patent topaz]

well you can see the log

and its 0

[hazy crater]

log =/= sim

[patent topaz]

??

what help is it when a sim with unknown setup shows it as an increase

[hazy crater]

what do you mean unknown

[patent topaz]

while in a dummy test it shows that its not

[hazy crater]

you set up the sim

and you can see everything the sim does

nothing is unknown there

[patent topaz]

all I got was a linked result with damage

[hazy crater]

ok, just do your own sim so you can see everything?

its a huge priority damage increase

to multidot

or if the goal is to see if you as a player gain anything then the sim doesnt really mean anything

but played perfectly it will be an increase

[limber lion]

I just sim'd ST and 2T, and it's showing an increase of over 500 dps by multidotting a second target.

[hazy crater]

exactly

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/d2353347d0a362141b89445ad5e2428e ST
https://gyazo.com/0f56337a38fb1411f2241ca9a5cc8db9 2T

Using the same setup. Using a ST heavy setup would put the ST sim closer to 7k.

But still almost a 400 dps increase, which is quite a lot.

[patent topaz]

I wonder why on the dummy it wasnt

[limber lion]

But yeah, not sure why you're not seeing any results on the dummy.

[strange python]

Multi meaning rup and gar?

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

I tried this on hunt and got lower dps than the other rogue who was just st spamming the boss

[limber lion]

You're doing something wrong then.

We're talking about prio damage when the second target doesn't take damage

And that is showing a gain

So on a second target that takes damage, you should see giga gains by keeping both targets bled.

You can even sim it yourself.

But here's my profile:

1 target: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qeD7NAZ7sMvC2ibyvNfSor

2 targets: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mb1Z8gnnhsFfktpgeMi2Aa

2.4k increase in 5 mins. I think it's a safe bet to keep bleeds up on both 🙂

[copper sundial]

at 3t i assume it just disrupts your primary rotation to maintain dots on it?

[limber lion]

No, on 3T you still want to maintain dots on everything. It's a huuuge gain to do so

[copper sundial]

ah good to know

[limber lion]

Rupture is our strongest ST finisher (excluding SnD)

For me Rupture does 6.3k at 5 combo points and Envenom does 2.7k

Rupture does give energy back as well and Envenom does have the buff tied to it

But multi-dotting as much as possible is always a gain.

Even on 5+ targets you want to put Rupture on EVERYTHING that lives the whole duration.

[copper sundial]

that makes sense

on your 2t sim crimson tempest is huge, more than rupture

[silent fossil]

that’s because he specified ST finisher

[limber lion]

Yes, CT is our strongest finisher in 2+ targets.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gdAfcpQWceN6SHd7kZFHea
Here's one without CT as well.

Still over 2k increase in DPS.

[bronze forum]

Hello, I was simming my character to decide to craft Zoldyck or Ma to try out some m+ content as assa. And to my surprise I'm finding out that doomblade sims highest for me. Is it normal or did I fucked something up with the sims?

[loud trench]

did you sim Dslive or patchwork

[bronze forum]

I simmed for dslice

[outer kernel]

guys whats the opener for assa can u help me pls 🙂

[loud trench]

icyviens has a pretty solid opener

[balmy condor]

Happens sometimes based on stats and off-pieces available

[bronze forum]

Uh, okay, thanks

[fickle trout]

Top 100 Logs (Huntsman Mythic) only 19% using CT. Maybe bc their fights are really fast? Do you use CT only when the debuff is about to expire?

How do you guys keep track on Garrote, Rupture, Deadly Poison and CT on Multi Targets?

[balmy condor]

Using the nameplates

Plater/KUI

[subtle tundra]

just whatever they feel is better

[fickle trout]

I am trying too (Plater), but it gets a bit messy with layering Nameplates

[balmy condor]

This is usually because people can’t be fucked to change talents, or don’t want to play CT

[subtle tundra]

you can basically play whatever and do well

[balmy condor]

But CT is optimal

[bronze forum]

Does Sudden Fractures simming best for me (even in pure ST) change my rotation in any form?

[balmy condor]

No

[bronze forum]

Perfect, thanks a lot

[balmy condor]

Np

[umbral slate]

Is the icy veins guide any good for assassination? It seems to push for NF when sims seem to be pretty clear about venthyr being better

[balmy condor]

Yes

The recommendation is fae for an overall

Soulshape is good, niya and korayn are both good as well

It’s not optimal in any one thing, but it’s still a solid option

[umbral slate]

Oh. Just was wondering since venthyr is sort of dominating raiding as well

[balmy condor]

Yeah, if you’d like to min-max, venthyr would be the play

Necro in m+ is also very very strong

[umbral slate]

But yeah so the stuff there is solid

[balmy condor]

Yeah the guide is fine

[umbral slate]

thanks

[spice mason]

so i like assa and sometimes i jump into other specs, what covenant would be good choice for all specs?

[frail fossil]

necrolord

[swift steppe]

I think necro

[balmy condor]

^

[spice spire]

Ur fine

[swift steppe]

What if I M+ 90% of the time, and very rarely raid. I'm thinking of swapping Venthyr to Necro as well.... Or should I stick to Venthyr to kill pride. Hm.

[karmic crystal]

https://youtu.be/0eetowtZtOQ

if you use elvui then this is probably a good idea

if not you can apply the same logic to plater or something i believe

[teal gulch]

Right now i got the problem where i should bind my ambush when my blindside proccs, are there any macros or a addon which switched multilate with ambush on a blindside procc? :X

[plain thistle]

there are, but I wouldnt recommend it, its better to have 1 keybind for mut and another for ambush

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[plain thistle]

hmm thats not the command

[frail fossil]

as assa u should not have a lot of keybinds, i would advise u to make more/move some of ur main binds to modifiers keys if it's not frequently used spells

[teal gulch]

i try to keep my keybind between assa and sub the same, but assa got like 1-2 more cb generators :X

[vestal wren]

the nameplates look terrible from the linked video

[red burrow]

I prefer pixel perfect nameplates

https://wago.io/g-jp-v2zw

[vestal wren]

i think kui is pixel perfect

there are certain features you possibly want to use plater for

[plain thistle]

yeah, kui is really good

[swift steppe]

What's kui

[plain thistle]

nameplate addon

[swift steppe]

Ooo I'll have to check that out

[plain thistle]

without changing anything I think its better than plater, but plater you can just customize for what you like

its like elvui, default is shit, but you can just make it good

[gusty mirage]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[gusty mirage]

^ it’s that command

[karmic crystal]

i don't use any nameplate addons but the guy was asking for ideas on how to track multidotting and i figure its as good as any as far as the logic is concerned

[limber lion]

Yeah like Whispyr said. The optimal talent setup would be EP Subt MFD CT (sometimes Vigor sims better than MFD) but most people don't want to bother with MFD or CT so they just run the normal ST setup or switch out BS for EP.

We generally recommend using good nameplates to track bleeds on multiple targets. Plater is a good addon of choice and there's a lot of great setups that you can just download and use.

[wary ice]

not wanting to bother with CT is wild tbh

ITs so much better than PB

[strange python]

We want legion poison bomb

[wary ice]

we'd be more rng than current Outlaw then 😏

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I don’t want legion poison bomb, I want CT baseline and a talent that like makes it count toward venomous wounds or something

[mellow pier]

Legion pb was fine when it was rppm

Not % chance

[royal lantern]

rng PB was the best /s

getting 6procs on my first 6 finishers on pull, and beeing 60%over the 2nd dps cus of it was a pure display of skill and class knowledge

🙂

[visual prairie]

yeah, but you wipe on that pull

[royal lantern]

ofc we did

[hollow escarp]

@gusty mirage somebody recommended infexious guide on seli's chat

[gusty mirage]

I know

I was so tempted, but I'm trying to be good

its a new week

[hollow escarp]

same

just recommended Seli's guide

[wary ice]

thats some disrespect tbh

[gusty mirage]

that's hilariously disrespectful

literally in the stream of the dude who wrote the IV guide telling people to watch someone else's videos

[limber lion]

It's just because they don't probably know that Seli wrote IV's guide.

[polar cape]

Im still not over my poison bomb ptsd

[hollow escarp]

well the guy entered the chat with the #outlaw 's hot topic "Y NO DEATHLY SHADOWS?!"

[wary ice]

yall running theo in m+ Or still stickin with nad?

[gusty mirage]

I'm a stinky boy now

[hollow escarp]

I like theo

[wary ice]

i was considering swapping to NL but tbh i love flag as a button rn

[hollow escarp]

I'm 70% sure I'm swapping necro this week

not only for obvious reasons, but also to get my covenants up to 40 renown

[polar cape]

Bonespike on sire have some *funny *interractio

[hollow escarp]

been playing on my alt rogue on necro and it's fun

[subtle kiln]

@hollow escarp

[hollow escarp]

[subtle kiln]

48 hours to get there

[hollow escarp]

I think I got my venthyr in 1 reset as well

but I did a lot of M+

lower key boosts

[gusty mirage]

I haven't played enough this week to get to 31 renown 😦

[subtle kiln]

lfr > m0 > calling > campaign/world boss

[limber lion]

I got 30 in like 6 hours.

Just clear the raid on all difficulties and it's done.

[gusty mirage]

I did 1 LFR run and like 6 dungeons and got to 26 renown though

[hollow escarp]

I learned from fleks that you can start doing campaign and weekly stuff once you get 29 renown

[limber lion]

How about normal

[hollow escarp]

so you get 40 guaranteed

[limber lion]

and heroic

[gusty mirage]

I haven't been online enough to

😦

[hollow escarp]

he is farming 40 renown on all covenants on 5 chars lol

[subtle kiln]

renown keeps coming at decent clip if you don’t turn in the guaranteed stuff

i tracked it this time.

lol

[gusty mirage]

I finished the campaign, so if I run a normal & heroic I'm sure I'll get to 40

[subtle kiln]

but my goal was to get hiermir unlocked

the conduit energy is still a bunch of fuckery

[hollow escarp]

does armor guy proc cheat death when you "die"?

or cheat death has prio

over the necro cheat death?

[gusty mirage]

I've read that it procs your cheat and puts you in that form still

haven't tested it

[subtle kiln]

rogue cd goes first

[hollow escarp]

I guess if the hit is not very huge, it's cheat death first

[subtle kiln]

if it actually works won’t proc necro

[hollow escarp]

that looks like the soulbind for me

[subtle kiln]

i wasn’t sure if i’d enjoy sbs, but it’s been a nice filler and a little more to play around over venthyr

[hollow escarp]

I've had a different opinion on it before

I thought you just apply and forget

but it's a nice filler with good damage

[subtle kiln]

well you can use enemi and buff your shiv window

f.ex.

in m+ esp with outlaw you can do some nice bf dmg

[hollow escarp]

even for sin is nice

[subtle kiln]

yea

[hollow escarp]

been watching Ryfie doing some hight sin keys

as necro

[gusty mirage]

except when you accidently bonespike the same target twice

[hollow escarp]

at least you get initial damage

[subtle kiln]

i like the shield as well. door is just meh when you know soulshape exists

[gusty mirage]

I've had maybe one great use of door ever

and it was in arena on blade's edge, double juked a ret pally lol

besides that I never used it, like ever

[hollow escarp]

soulshape and fleshcraft are very good

they are quite valuable on raiding as well

[gusty mirage]

yeah door's the only cov ability that feels bad for rogue

[hollow escarp]

it's ok for sin

if you don't have target to teleport

but for outlaw it's useless

[gusty mirage]

thats the issue though I think, that in best case scenario it's "okay"

where as fleshcraft, soulshape, and the kyrian pot are super strong

[visual prairie]

it needs to be a faster cast and/or not break stealth if it doesn't hit any mobs with a disorient

[hollow escarp]

haven't touched kyrian since day 1 of shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

Agreed, a lower cast time would make it a lot better

[fervent beacon]

.5 would be decent, but 1.5s is yike, lot of time to interrupt it in pvp

[limber lion]

But you need to think about it the other way

You cannot react to it if someone uses Door on top of you with the disorient soulbind

[hollow escarp]

yeah, was just thinking about how broken it would be in pvp

[limber lion]

That's why there's the 1.5s delay

[gusty mirage]

a 1s cast would be fine I think

[hollow escarp]

maybe could make it like monk statue

neah

[limber lion]

What I think would be fine

Is a lower cast time and a smaller radius around the spot where you teleport.

Now the radius is quite big honestly

[gusty mirage]

agree

[limber lion]

Probably to balance out the long-ish cast time

[gusty mirage]

35 yards is insanely large

lol

[limber lion]

Yuup

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure that's bigger than ashen, which is also huge

[hollow escarp]

no longer how big ashen is

you will always find a tank to take boss out of it

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

Lower the default door cast time: make the disorient soulbind increase the cast time to 1.5s

[gusty mirage]

just stay stinky with me osh

then we don't have to worry

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

I still have sepsis pfp

[storm forum]

[stoic needle]

Who even are you

I'll try out necrolord, but I won't like it

[hollow escarp]

random rogue looking for guild

[gusty mirage]

that's what I thought

[hollow escarp]

my alt is necro, and she likes it

[gusty mirage]

now I'm reformed, plus now we have a necro for our m+ group

[hollow escarp]

I know it's blasphemy to say it, but it really FEELS good

[stoic needle]

Yeah my m+ group has 3 venthyr with me in it

So me going necro is better for the group

[visual prairie]

why aren't you in charge?

[gusty mirage]

I was going to stay venthyr tbh until my buddy decided he wanted to be venthyr on his rsham

[limber lion]

He should have been Venthyr to begin with tbh

:p

[gusty mirage]

yeah but now I'm smelly

and its HIS fault

chain harvest is actually insane so I can't even be mad

[hollow escarp]

enha venthyr

[safe barn]

anyone here an ass necro?

[stoic needle]

Blizzard should hire me I would fix the rogue class so fast

[hollow escarp]

lol

[visual prairie]

my m+ group has 4 randos going "wait, you were assassination?" at the end

[gusty mirage]

I'm trying to convince him to go enhancement so our priest can go back to disc healing our keys

[stoic needle]

My first order of business would be to delete outlaw make outlaw it's own class

[gusty mirage]

WOAH BUDDY

[limber lion]

Yeah it's dumb dumb

[hollow escarp]

I'm leveling an enha now

I have no clue what my buttons do

but I am top dps

[gusty mirage]

your first order of business should be giving us the cp from shrouded suff

let the best warrior spec in the game be a yellow boy

its okay

[rustic whale]

hello can someone able to confirm evasion is enough to avoid Huntsman SinSeeker in Mhytic?

[gusty mirage]

no

[frail fossil]

nop

[gusty mirage]

you can cloak the dot

but that's it

[frail fossil]

u cannot avoid the hit

[safe barn]

i'd love this tbh, imagine some kind of duelist spec, like some kind of fencing playstyle

[rustic whale]

so first hard hitting arrow always hitting?

[safe barn]

like fiora from LoL

[gusty mirage]

yea

[safe barn]

or a gunslinger

with 2 pistols

[rustic whale]

aight ty

[novel frost]

has anyone tested sharpened weps vs shadowcore oil on single target?

[gusty mirage]

if you're short on immune soaks for mythic hunts, just have a pally bop you and have them shield and cloak the dot

[stoic needle]

Subterfuge has SS built in, ct baseline, exsang replaced by single target vein rippers that becomes aoe with vendetta activated, alacrity baseline, replaced with echoing blades, venom rush buffed , pb reworked to trigger automatically on the first envenom on a shivved target

Outlaw would just become part of the pirate class, with a swashbuckler tank spec and a gunslinger ranged spec

[hollow escarp]

that's a recipe to kill a spec forever

[frail fossil]

anyone knows the dmg amp % of zoldyck once execute range is met ?

[hollow escarp]

look at sub

[stoic needle]

If by kill you mean make it amazing then yes

[storm forum]

I feel like CT should not be baseline

[frail fossil]

same tbf

[stoic needle]

If sub gets black powder we should get ct

[gusty mirage]

it'd be a solid 1 week before we get nerfed

I like it

[rustic whale]

what about feint? is it enough to survive?

[storm forum]

idk about the veinrippers/exang thing

[stoic needle]

I could run a sim comparing spriest and sin for you in a sec

[storm forum]

everything else sounds good to me

[frail fossil]

spriest will win tbf

[safe barn]

i know that feint works on sludgefist

besides that

[frail fossil]

but yeah would be nice

[safe barn]

cheat death the hell out of the stuff

[frail fossil]

i'm just curious of how much of a modifer is zoldyck

[stoic needle]

I'm not entirely sure, the last time we did those sims it was unholy and sin as top

[gusty mirage]

feint should work for soaking, I think it does

[frail fossil]

cuz i mean 10% aint crazy, zoldyck could get a buff

[hollow escarp]

if you proc cheat death early, you might have it for last phase

[safe barn]

stonks

[frail fossil]

specially if doomblade is 8% in ST

[rustic whale]

i mean like feint then cloak talking for 1st arrows tho i would not want for 2nd doggo

[safe barn]

if you proc cheat death, blame the healer

[rustic whale]

cant blame anyone at these days 😄

[hollow escarp]

cheat death is a healing CD

[gusty mirage]

yeah you can feint the damage from the first arrow + cloak off the dot

[stoic needle]

Ngl I just really want vein rippers to come out of torghast lmao

[storm forum]

help the healers by taking leeching poison 🙂

[safe barn]

i did this on sludgefist

[gusty mirage]

[safe barn]

[stoic needle]

And since exsang is giga dead why not kill 2 birds with one stone

[hollow escarp]

I actually had this discussion with some healers

they said they prefer cheat death

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

and it makes sense

that passive healing is not that huge

[gusty mirage]

I can't think of 1 pull where cheat death actually saved me tbh

[safe barn]

its better to not die than to be at 20k and BAM

[hollow escarp]

I like leeching poison myself

used to use it in keys in bfa

[storm forum]

I had that discussion on orgozoa in EP and they said they preferred leeching poison to elusiveness and we all agreed that if im popping cheat something is going horribly wrong

[gusty mirage]

[quasi widget]

are any of the PVP trinkets good for ass rogue in PVE?

[storm forum]

although our raid lead prefers if I just take cheat

[gusty mirage]

they're okay, but a lot of dungeon trinkets are better

[quasi widget]

just leveled one, and want to start getting some Ilvl going

[hollow escarp]

I've seen some logs with the 1 min one

but probably just some pvp mains having fun in pve

[stoic needle]

The 1 min one seems lit for keys

[hollow escarp]

the highest ilvl as well

[stoic needle]

But I cba to pvp enough to make it worth it

[hollow escarp]

2100 RBGs

226 trinket

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

that's way more RBGs than I ever care to do

got to 1900 and lost all motivation to ever queue RBGs again

[hollow escarp]

I like RBGs, I'm too lazy to stick with a group

[gusty mirage]

"rogue go mine"

[hollow escarp]

and pugs die after 1 defeat

[stoic needle]

I enjoy RBGs

But I enjoy keys more

[gusty mirage]

alright, alt tab, open up netflix

see ya guys in 20

[stoic needle]

The minute they added valor I lost all reason to do RBGs

[storm forum]

I only ever do rbgs with friends/guildies and they always make me play my priest :<

[hollow escarp]

I'm done with valor this season

[gusty mirage]

sounds like you need a shadowgrasp totem

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

yeah, RBGs with friends are fun

[gusty mirage]

and dreadfire

[stoic needle]

I still can't get an iqd

[hollow escarp]

I didn't get it

[gusty mirage]

I have 2 in my bags

[stoic needle]

And upgrading the pox I have would cost me 4k valor

[gusty mirage]

want one @stoic needle ?

[hollow escarp]

joined a random +15 DoS with guild

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

dropped for tank

I wanted the tank trinket tbf

[stoic needle]

I need a pox from a 15, iqd and spires necklace

[storm forum]

is IQD that good? I thought it was kind of middling

[hollow escarp]

I did save my healer on a PF +19

innervated her

[stoic needle]

If you gear for crit and activate it during vanish with MA you have 100% crit

Like having 2 legendaries equipped

[gusty mirage]

imagine not being a shaman or pally and needing mana

[hollow escarp]

we took a disc priest, went from 18 MISTS to 19 PF and then depleted 20 SoA and then +19 SD

[gusty mirage]

can't wait for tomorrow so I can pug h sire and hope a dreadfire drops

[hollow escarp]

that's all my "push week" so far

[frail fossil]

@stoic needle where the sim at

[stoic needle]

I hit 1.5k Rio

[stoic needle]

Fiiiine let me get out of bed

[gusty mirage]

proud of you @stoic needle

[frail fossil]

i hit 1.5k rio

[stoic needle]

You know what

Stop

[limber lion]

What are you boys simming :3

[frail fossil]

on my alt

[stoic needle]

Cev are you a 7k dweeb now

I'm 6.8

[frail fossil]

ofc he is

[storm forum]

i hit 1800 rio and i realized that all life is pain on this never ending ladder of rio

[frail fossil]

just

dont spend ur time doing m+

easy

[storm forum]

but it's fun :<

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

It is fun

[limber lion]

Ye, been since I got my IQD like a week ago or something

[stoic needle]

Idk how I'm gonna do 7k once I'm necro

[gusty mirage]

I think I upgrade my IQD to 220

[frail fossil]

7k simmers

[limber lion]

You won't

[gusty mirage]

and record me destroying it and send the clip to osh

[stoic needle]

7k simmers get out

[stoic needle]

I will block you

[frail fossil]

bro i swear assassination's numbers on wcl are artificially boosted by PIs

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[frail fossil]

this is all a scam

[gusty mirage]

listen don't judge us PI whores

[frail fossil]

Assa is a scam

it's ST is decent

[gusty mirage]

It's a scam that I fully endorse

[stoic needle]

These fools are giving us the rep of being a dishonest spec

[limber lion]

lul

[stoic needle]

[frail fossil]

i mean actually bro

[limber lion]

Imagine getting PI as Assa

[gusty mirage]

I DIDN'T ASK TO BE PI'D OKAY?

[frail fossil]

look at hungering ranking

literally bro

push rank 2

with 0 pio

counting all rogue specs

[gusty mirage]

but now that I had a small taste, it's like heroin I can't get enough

[stoic needle]

Don't you get like 3 pi every kill

[limber lion]

???

[hollow escarp]

yo Cev

[gusty mirage]

he should

[limber lion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/ceverion#partition=2&difficulty=4

Here

Show me ONE

[hollow escarp]

wanna boost me?

[limber lion]

kill

[gusty mirage]

Cev's a god damn legend

he deserves it

[limber lion]

With PI

Literally

ONE kill

[frail fossil]

i mean look at this bro

[limber lion]

Is all I ask

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/ceverion#partition=2&difficulty=4

Feel free to dig through em all

I guarantee you

You will not find a single kill

with PI

[gusty mirage]

Oh look its push

[frail fossil]

assa's number are inflated

cuz it's a decent pi target

[limber lion]

Inflated

Because 10 people

Out of 5k

Get PI

right

[gusty mirage]

I mean you could say the same for affi locks + mages + and udks + hunters too

[hollow escarp]

that's what Guy was saying about Sire dps

[frail fossil]

i mean look at the number of sin getting pi

[hollow escarp]

[frail fossil]

on hungering bro, pure st fight

[storm forum]

I feel like it's only that passassin guy that gets unreasonable amounts of externals too

[frail fossil]

something dishonest is going on there

[frail fossil]

he's buying logs

[gusty mirage]

it gets a lot from PI, idk why that's "dishonest" or anymore dishonest than other specs getting it?

[frail fossil]

he's dogshit

[limber lion]

Flower

lmao

Look at any other spec in the game

Rankings don't get inflated because there's 10 people getting PI

There's hundreds upon hundreds

of Fire mage

Afflis

SP'

[stoic needle]

Oh yeah that's right you're in extendo hell

Unlucky

[limber lion]

Who are getting PI's

Why aren't their numbers craaazy high

Affli/FM/Boom/MM should all be top 4 on stats

Because they get PI's

[frail fossil]

bro i'm memeing

[limber lion]

but they're not

[frail fossil]

affli is wdym

[stoic needle]

Push out here getting Sub's sim dps with no externals

[limber lion]

I'm just tired of people complaining about PI

[stoic needle]

Powerful

[limber lion]

Like

Just

Get over it

[gusty mirage]

PI puts us where we BELONG damnit

[storm forum]

it's 11 AM on a monday, it's too early to be memeing

[frail fossil]

he's eu

it's not 11 am out here

[stoic needle]

It's simple, sin has a lower ratio of gamers to non gamers of the other specs

[hollow escarp]

I can't get more than 5.5k dps on sire

[stoic needle]

Our push has been trapped in extendo hell

[storm forum]

it's monday, it's too early to be memeing

[stoic needle]

Kav private logs

[frail fossil]

i mean yeah the best players private logs

nothing new here

[stoic needle]

Sad

[limber lion]

But yeh, I literally ask people not to PI me

[hollow escarp]

if they were so good, why would they hide their logs?

[limber lion]

Because I don't want that shit

[hollow escarp]

[gusty mirage]

I let people do what they want

PI me, don't PI me, I'm just there to press my buttons and log off after

[limber lion]

There's almost always a better target to PI

Be it UDK on the opener, SP during execute

Boomkin/FM during adds

Or whatnot

[frail fossil]

i just think it's ironic ppl getting 7 pi got beaten by sub rogue with 0 externals , i mean it's the sub godx but come on

[gusty mirage]

yeah but @faint harness is a legend

[stoic needle]

Those people are carried by their buffs

[limber lion]

That's because he's using Deathly

And we all know Deathly's OP

[frail fossil]

yeah ik passassin is dogshit

[lusty coyote]

Guys, how does the Slice and Dice Heal Conduit work when i use it once at the start of the M+ and it refreshes itself after envenom casts ? Doe i get the Heal from Slice and Dice only once or does it procc somehow?

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

as long as you got snd buff up it heals you

[limber lion]

^

[frail fossil]

pretty sure deathly for sub is even worse than for assa

like it was a sub legendary

and it's the spec where the leg is the worse

anyway assa is a scam come back to outlaw

[lusty coyote]

Thanks so its a decent endurance conduit for m+? or is the "go stealth get a decaying shield" better?

[frail fossil]

cloaked in shadow is a must have

tbf

[limber lion]

Yeah I agre

[frail fossil]

so nothing gets u out of stealth

[limber lion]

CiS is busted.

[frail fossil]

like no bursting out of stealth

no poison in PF getting u out of stealth

it's rly good

[lusty coyote]

Ahh never thought of that interaction

[frail fossil]

u should always be running cloaked in shadow for m+ and pvp

[stoic needle]

It doesn't seem that good for keys ngl besides pf

I don't ever get taken out of stealth besides there and spires ig

[frail fossil]

i mean it literally is when u play MA and it's bursting week bro

[gusty mirage]

idk if anyone's tried pvping or doing m+ without cloaked after having it for so long, but it feels fucking awful

[frail fossil]

or even now if u have to step on a sanguine pool while in stealth

[stoic needle]

Ok bursting week sure

[limber lion]

Recurperator is kinda meh

On high keys if you take damage, you die

[stoic needle]

I definitely notice the lack of recuperator healing when I don't use it

[limber lion]

You get oneshot by getting hit by mechanics

[stoic needle]

It's not really mechanics it's passive damage

[gusty mirage]

at a certain key level the heal from it becomes very "meh" very quick

[frail fossil]

i mean it's preference doesn't rly matter

[limber lion]

Yeh, I'm a big advocate for

[stoic needle]

I'm definitely in the oneshot range lol

[limber lion]

Play whatever you want

[frail fossil]

but i think cloaked is very good, but it's not easily noticeable until u take it off

and u get taken out of stealth by some random shit

[gusty mirage]

can I play exsang and pretend its 8.3 still?

[lusty coyote]

Aight thanks for the help guys.

[frail fossil]

might aswell play survival hunter and do better dmg bro

[limber lion]

Go for it

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

I'll give it a shot some more and see how I like it

[limber lion]

But ye Oshosi

[frail fossil]

@stoic needle IS THE SIM COOKING ?

[gusty mirage]

be careful, it's a drug osh

[limber lion]

I've never gotten a single PI in 9.0.5

And I've never gotten a single PI in mythic

[gusty mirage]

once you get one hit you'll keep coming back

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion good my parses are already shit, I don't need you making me look worse

[frail fossil]

i play outlaw

[limber lion]

I'm a super mega tryhard though, not a fair comparison :p

[hollow escarp]

I was close to get a better parse on Shriekwing but then he hit that 7.9k dps

[gusty mirage]

I'll take my 97 w/ PI on shriek and be happy with it

and you can't tell me otherwise 😠

[frail fossil]

wait he did 7.9k dps on shriek ?

no way bro what is this

[earnest remnant]

hc

[limber lion]

It's heroic

There we go

[frail fossil]

oh yeah and it's a log run

[limber lion]

That's a better emoji

[frail fossil]

that's actually hilarious the log

[limber lion]

Yep, honestly anyone can get a 99 from Shriek at this point if you have a proper group to do it with.

If you skip intermission, it's almost a given

[gusty mirage]

smh only 13th on xymox? @limber lion

[limber lion]

But that's on your whole team comp, not much you can do as a solo player.

[frail fossil]

i mean i dont care abt hc logs

i do want all 99 in mythic tho

[limber lion]

I just want to reclear once in my life 🙂

3 months of extending going strong.

[subtle tundra]

man at what boss did you start extending?? council??

[storm forum]

same, we hit 215 ilvl average and never looked back

[limber lion]

Ye, did a Shriek/Huntsman like a few days ago but our group died after that lol

[limber lion]

Council yes.

[gusty mirage]

I see that 97 outlol parse on mythic SLG @limber lion

[frail fossil]

i was on a juicy xymox parse and i died on the dumbest overlap