assassination

[balmy condor]

for telling you proven facts

[limber lion]

Mastery increasing Envenom's damage is the reason some people are stacking mastery. This is highly not recommended though.

[balmy condor]

prove it

[loud niche]

Hey whispyr, essence of bloodfang is top for aoe, yeah? is it also the top for like 3 target cleave? At what point is it better than Zold?

[limber lion]

Is this a serious question or a troll?

I can't tell

[loud niche]

Serious, sorry

[balmy condor]

like don't come in here, ask a question, get an answer, and then dispute the answer for no reason whatsoever

if you have evidence

show it

otherwise I'm done arguing with you about nonsense

[soft shale]

bloodfang has big variance because it procs like dog

at least last time i tried it sometimes it took a while to proc

[vital crown]

Is venom rush completely useless? If you had enough haste is there a scenario where you could run it?

[soft shale]

i mean mastery is not bad per se just other stats are better on m+ you dont take nadja because haste is devalued on cleave/mass aoe

venom rush was op

then got beheaded on bfa

[balmy condor]

zoldyck and theotar are best in m+ because the haste from nadjia isn't good in aoe, and the vers from wasteland at the bottom of theotar is worth more

[loud niche]

Seeing a guide say something that is incorrect > using TC and simming??

[balmy condor]

not because of mastery

[vital crown]

yup those were the good old day

[limber lion]

Pretty much. Alacrity is just so much better.

[loud niche]

Hmm, just rememver seeing sims on it being top for aoe. didn't know at what point in aoe it outpaced zold

[soft shale]

10% haste that does not get dr is so good

bloodfang suffers from the same shit as arbiter

it could giga proc one dungeon at the beginning when all mobs are alive and be so good

or begin proccing when only 2 are alive

and then you see it does 2% overall

[stoic needle]

People just want the meta and nothing else

[loud niche]

hm. Sad to see, was hoping to have something else to make with this soul ash lol

[balmy condor]

not this shit again

[stoic needle]

You were looking at bloodmallet, which sims using hectic add cleave which is not a sim that we usually use

[loud niche]

Ah, could be

[undone eagle]

@stoic needle boring desperate people

[stoic needle]

If you sim dungeon slice bloodfang isn't very good

[soft shale]

if you want to craft something that will most likely be decent dashing is a good one

or do like me and just save ash until 9.1 big reveas

[loud niche]

I have dashing, zold, and doomblade

[balmy condor]

actually quite an interesting question. The thing about bloodfang is that it's not very good compared to zold in cleave (2-3), but then actually wins slightly in 4-5 target, and then loses again to zold with bigger aoe. It's also roughly equal to zold in single target, so usually it won't sim good in dungeon slice because of how niche it is

basically the only point where it wins reliably is 4 target aoe

5 is a toss up

and it loses everywhere else

[loud niche]

Huh, cool info.

[balmy condor]

so when you compare it in something that has anything other than 4 target, zold will win just by default

[strange python]

is Deeper Stratagem viable and the best option with 23% haste and 19% crit?

[limber lion]

Most likely, especially as Venthyr.

[balmy condor]

deeper is viable for single target, you should sim yourself to find out

[strange python]

good call. sorry^^

[limber lion]

Don't apologize for asking questions.

That's what we're here for :p

[strange python]

is the play style any different with DS? talking about pooling

[balmy condor]

nah you pool the same

on envenom until about 30 from max

[loud niche]

Cev, how do I get into a good guild with this being my first raid tier taken seriously?

[strange python]

Envenom 30 from max outside of shiv windows right?

[balmy condor]

yes

outside of shiv/vend/flag

[strange python]

thanks

[calm socket]

haste/vers or crit/vers?

[balmy condor]

depends on your character

[calm socket]

night elf rogue assa

[balmy condor]

depends on your character

[loud niche]

Simming is best

If you sim it, you'll know for sure. If you don't sim, then it doesn't matter because you should do whatever feels better.

[calm socket]

hmm by sim u mean like hero damage?

[loud niche]

Raidbots

[calm socket]

cheers

[loud niche]

ye

[limber lion]

That's a tough one. I'm not in the greatest guild myself, but honestly the best way to get into a guild is to just apply to as many guilds as you can

Of course you should be able to provide good logs that make you stand out of the rest

[loud niche]

Whispyr, do you happen to know how much dps I'd lose by opening mut > gar > flag > rup > mut >snd > cds and fall into rotation?

[loud niche]

O well then I'm cursed... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/riverfang#

[pine ore]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

You'll be fine. Just apply to a lot of guilds, I'm sure one guild has a spot for a rogue like you.

[strange python]

I guess with 23 % haste and 19 % crit I should go with more crit when looking at my current stat weights. Is there any options in Raidbots to change enchantments/sockets? Or is changing it ingame the only option?

[loud niche]

Don't use statweights, compare the pieces of gear, or if it's sockets/enchants, use topgear

[limber lion]

Yes, use Top Gear.

[strange python]

Oh. Good to know.

[loud niche]

X to doubt tho lol

Yall have a fantastic weekend I'll not be round much ❤️

[strange python]

Are you guys playing Sunking with AoE talents in mind?

I guess it depends on the class setup right?

[limber lion]

It depends on your raid comp and what your raid needs you to do.

If you need to blast the shield on mythic, you use ST-heavy talents for that.

[grave dock]

anyone have a good set of WAs that handles snapshotting on subterfuge/nightstalker/exsang? looked at the pins, also browsed wago a bit, can't really find anything that either fully works or that I like

[thorny rose]

I’ve also been looking for something like this. I can usually track my empowered garrotes just by memory but it would be nice to have a visual cue

[vital haven]

iirc luxthos wa rogue pack tracks subterfuge/nightstalker

[grave dock]

i'll check it out, thanks

[civic trellis]

@limber lion you not playing with subterfurge on m+?

😛

[balmy condor]

idk like 20 maybe

maybe 30?

somewhere around there

0.2-0.5%

[wide elbow]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[weak stirrup]

how is asn in m+?

[balmy condor]

meh

[storm forum]

Good, but outlaw is still better.

[balmy condor]

worse than outlaw

but if you need a rogue

I guess you'd take it

although you could just not take a rogue

[mossy python]

Zoldick is better than ma in mm+ ?

[balmy condor]

can be, yeah

they're roughly the same

[limber lion]

Literally just did a SD +19, here's my dps:
https://gyazo.com/915a19285c51ee6c80d512efa368d405

[storm forum]

depends on your build, I think Zoldyck is better with subterfuge/vigor, I think MA is mandatory if you're doing the Nightstalker/MfD build

[limber lion]

Still gets beaten by the meta specs

[mossy python]

If i have doomblade in 225 to raid. Should i craft zoldick to mm+ then ?

[limber lion]

But it's fine

[civic trellis]

I let you my spot

@limber lion

xD

Wanted to see you as assa

😛

[balmy condor]

yep

or MA

if you have that

[limber lion]

😄 Yeah I figured you had something to do with it when you asked that question in here right after xd

[balmy condor]

for like outlaw

[mossy python]

Thanks

[limber lion]

@civic trellis

[mossy python]

I think zoldick is easier to play with

[civic trellis]

😛

Well played man

[mossy python]

I never play outlaw i dont like it

[civic trellis]

It shows how underperforming is sins right now in m+

[limber lion]

Not the cleanest run from my part, but worked out fine xd

[civic trellis]

at that level

Idk with outlaw you get lot more dps with half of the effort

But you rushed bosses

[limber lion]

Yep

[civic trellis]

hard

xD

[storm forum]

I finally got around to doing keys this week

That was 19 SoA and 20 Mists

[mossy python]

Can you linl your gear pls ?

Link*

[limber lion]

I was using the NS build on my SD run

I think Lanille runs the usual Subt Zoldyck

[civic trellis]

i think with subterfurge you would pull like 300ish more

[storm forum]

yeah I run subt zoldyck in both those

[limber lion]

Nah, they're about the same dps.

[balmy condor]

yeh I agree

[civic trellis]

i saw yday a sins pull 8.5k dps in sd 22

[limber lion]

Just do different things

[civic trellis]

overall

[storm forum]

damn

[balmy condor]

I can't tell a difference between subt and NS

[limber lion]

Me neither

[civic trellis]

That's why

[limber lion]

Except that NS is much more fun to play

lul

[civic trellis]

idk i saw him pulling 8.5 and got surprised tbh

he pulled 100 dps more than me as outlaw 😄

[storm forum]

I feel like if i try NS, I'm just going to leave and change talents after the first pack cause not having 3x gar for the opener is just going to feel so jarring to me

[limber lion]

I'm guessing you're talking about Ryfie

[civic trellis]

I think so

[limber lion]

Because he's the only Assa that's ever even done a SD +22 in time

[civic trellis]

he is rlly friendly

Jpc was hosting him

[storm forum]

how do i link my gear in a reasonable way?

[civic trellis]

raidbots

[mossy python]

And what do you take in lvl 15 talent ?

[storm forum]

can i just link my r.io i think that shows my gear too

[limber lion]

Always EP

[civic trellis]

Btw did you play with vigor?

[mossy python]

And CT in last ?

[civic trellis]

or mfd

[storm forum]

https://raider.io/characters/us/whisperwind/Lanille

[balmy condor]

@warped temple you do a 22 SD yesterday?

[limber lion]

MFD with the NS build

[storm forum]

I play vigor with subterfuge

[mossy python]

What is the reason to play ns ?

[balmy condor]

for fun

[mossy python]

Subt is not better ?

Oh

[balmy condor]

they're the same

[mossy python]

I thought it was better to start with spamming garrote

On all targets

[storm forum]

they're two different builds, NS/MfD with MA lego lets you do a big CT burst on pull and with every vanish

[mossy python]

Mmmh i see

[storm forum]

it's probably better on packs > 3

but idk, i dont play it

Don't really want to try it until I build rank 4 MA

also don't really want to build rank 4 MA in general

[mossy python]

I think i will play zoldick then

[storm forum]

not cause it's bad, but cause I don't like change

[mossy python]

Will i see a big difference with zoldick ? Because i just have doomblade

[warped temple]

ya

[balmy condor]

pog

back to #1

[limber lion]

Ez for Ryfie

[warped temple]

doesnt matterrrrr haha only overall ranks matter! 😌 sin is fun tho. plays really similarly to bfa so i think it's alright!

[balmy condor]

nothing matters

[storm forum]

[warped temple]

[undone eagle]

[torn atlas]

How accurate is the damage breakdown by % in dslice when it comes to actual execution? Like should I be looking to mirror the damage done, or is there too many variables that may change it?

[limber lion]

It should give you an idea what works and what doesn't. It should not be taken as the absolute truth. Dungeon Slice sims one boss and several trash packs.

There's a lot of variables in the game that change what happens and how much dps you do

Does your tank do absolute giga pulls or do they pull just 3 mobs at a time? Does your tank have a great route that allows you to get maximum value out of the pride buffs? Do you use lust on the boss or on a huge pack?

But it is a really good reference point to see what's good and how things fare up against each other.

[balmy condor]

I think in general the actual numbers on dungeonslice aren't really that importnat

[limber lion]

Yeh agree

[balmy condor]

but in general the breakdown of like garrote and melee on top, then CT, poison, rupture, envenom

the order there

that's fine

but otherwise you got way too many variables to actually be like "oh I hit 6600 in this dungeon but dungeonslice sims for 6800, I must've played wrong"

that's the part that you shouldn't do

[torn atlas]

Yeah that's what I figured. I'm just trying make sure I'm using the tools and understanding their output correctly.

[limber lion]

And sometimes you might even do more dps than what the sim suggest, but that doesn't mean the sim is shit either.

[balmy condor]

you can do that for like a dummy sim, and then hitting the dummy

because that's a controlled enviornment

you got 1 target, you sim 1 target, for X time

and you're good to go

but in dungeons you got varying pack size and length, prideful (which isn't simmed for obvious reasons), etc etc

so you can use the results from dungeonslice, since it gives a baseline

[grave dock]

thanks, this one actually works pretty well for what I needed

although the rupture pandemic threshold is wrong for some reason

[balmy condor]

but there's variations on that in the game

[limber lion]

Unless it's a custom dynamic tracker, you can just change it yourself from the conditions.

Not sure how advanced Luxthos' weak auras are.

[grave dock]

yeah, I did change it

was just weird, the default threshold was 7.7 seconds

i've been away from rogue for a long time but i'm still pretty sure I know how pandemic works

[torn atlas]

This was the part that I'm looking at specifically. Current sim shows in order of % - pois, gar, ct, melee, rupt, env
My most recent attempts have been - pois, gar, melee, rupt, ct.

Given that (and its something I've been trying to focus on), CT uptime is probably far too low, from a general point of view.

[balmy condor]

that's a fair assessment to have, yep

[torn atlas]

I've noticed I over refresh my bleeds from time to time, slowing down and focusing on hitting those extra CTs should hopefully go a long way.

[feral merlin]

trinkets dont work with vendetta right?

[limber lion]

Correct.

[feral merlin]

my shadowgrasp totem did 3x the amount of dmg it says in tooltip

i dont get it

[balmy condor]

tooltips are always fucked

don't pay attention to them

[feral merlin]

all hits did double damage

but only 9 crits

[balmy condor]

flayedwing for example, has the tooltip on the trinket, the tooltip on the buff on your character, and the tooltip on the debuff on the target

and they're all different

and they're also all wrong

[potent rune]

been years and tooltip still doesnt fully explain how shadow techniques work

[storm forum]

remember, if the "p" in "poisons" is capitalized in the tool tip, it doesn't count envenom as a poison!

[feral merlin]

unless haste affects it? im so confused

[balmy condor]

shadowgrasp is hasted, yes

[feral merlin]

ahh thats it ok ty

[solid wyvern]

Is Dashing Scoundrel nonbo with Tempest?

[stoic needle]

Nonbo?

[solid wyvern]

uhh... does Tempest cause too many delays in envenom in multi-target situations to be worth using with scoundrel

[balmy condor]

today i learned

[low girder]

[balmy condor]

if you're using dashing, you would run bomb, yes

[halcyon zealot]

what the meme with flag and vendetta usage? use together on pull then use 2nd flag on cd or hold for lust? or whats condition to hold vs use

idk why i said lust

[shy dust]

use on cooldown unless you can sync them without losing a cast

[halcyon zealot]

i mean

hold for 2nd vend

alright bet

[loud niche]

I just got told that being 6/10M isn't even worth a top 200 guild looking at my application. What? surely this isn't the norm.

[shy dust]

I wouldnt say worth it

But being 6/10 and applying to top 200

is a rather large step up

[halcyon zealot]

esp when the only real bosses are last 3

well maybe last 2 now with sludge nerfs

[shy dust]

You can definitely still get into a good guild though

[loud niche]

Zzz waiting until next tier for CE FeelsBadMan

[cosmic kelp]

Rolling a fresh sin rogue... looks like doomblade is the go to leggo but Dashing might feel better and be pretty close if not better on some fights is that more or less right?

[serene hamlet]

Hey there! Got a bit of a noob question maybe, if u roll Necrolord for a sin rogue, does the bonespike bleed count Towards the doomblade Lego?

[balmy condor]

it won't be better, but it might feel better if you wanna go fast

[halcyon zealot]

id just make doomblade

[balmy condor]

it does

[loud niche]

@shy dust hey, didn't you know hoofhartd?

[cosmic kelp]

meaning less downtime/pooling? lotsa button pressing?

[shy dust]

yes friends with em

[loud niche]

where from?

[balmy condor]

I mean dashing does add energy, which is inherently more button pressing

[shy dust]

just met em through mutual friends

[balmy condor]

it's not outlaw levels

it'll never be outlaw levels

if you're looking for button pressing, this isn't the spec

[loud niche]

gotcha. He's really good.

[low girder]

he was the top feral in the world for a while

[shy dust]

yes a nuts player

[loud niche]

He's still quite good. I barely keep up with him

If I get unlucky it's not even a competition anymore for the rest of the fight he just dominates lol

[serene hamlet]

That being said, with doomblade Leggo and being necro, envenom does straight 20 % (rupture, garrote,bonespike & doomblade bleed effect) more damage ?

[loud niche]

his twin is also really good

idk if yall know both of them or just hoof, but both are solid players

[balmy condor]

correct

[serene hamlet]

Well thanks for help! :D i might wanna go necro then xD

[cosmic kelp]

Kinda leaning dashing w/venthyr

someone referred to it as the zoomer build lmao

[shy dust]

yeah rofl and hoof are nuts

[storm forum]

the "i wanna go back to the end of bfa" build

[balmy condor]

and then you gotta ignore the sims

and run vigor as well

[halcyon zealot]

should i move flag in this opener to after the garrote and rupture? Mut > SnD > Mut > Flag > Gar > Rupture > Mut x2 > Shiv > Vend > Vanish > Env

[balmy condor]

and blinside

[balmy condor]

if you're chasing the extra half a dps, go for it

[storm forum]

after gar and before rupture i think

[halcyon zealot]

ya i tried it there and then ive tried it right before shiv, right after shiv

hardly notice any diff from any of them

[tropic echo]

is IQD used on cd with every second flag?

[balmy condor]

that's because there is hardly any difference

we actually are just kinda feelcrafting the flag after the garrote and before the rupture

[storm forum]

yeah opener for sin is pretty flexible, as long as you're getting up your two bleeds in a reasonable amount of time you cant do much wrong

[balmy condor]

because it's quite difficult to actually figure out what's best, with an error margin of about 2

they're all within error

so no one can really be fucked running a single sim for like 8 hours

trying to get the target error down low enough for it to matter

[halcyon zealot]

all i know is since switching venth 18 hours ago and not even having dauntless duelist yet im dumping on my NF assa numbers it seems lol

got mad lucky on a 213 lash already tho

[potent rune]

i find the stacking haste from that soulbind helps

or rather stack then get the haste

if that makes sense

[balmy condor]

that's how thrill seeker works, yes

[halcyon zealot]

ya mad haste as venthyr

playing 28% crit 15% haste atm

feels nice

[tropic echo]

i wonder if it's actually bad then to hold flag for vendetta then

feels easier at least

[low girder]

if you're losing casts, yes

[tropic echo]

there's like 0 way to tell when im basically doing an alt run lol

[balmy condor]

the moment you lose a cast, it's strictly a loss

[low girder]

that's why it's safer to just use on cd

[uneven plume]

Im at 24% haste as necro and 26% crit. Think Venthyr would feel smoother than necro?

With that much haste?

[balmy condor]

venthyr is more haste, and is thus "smoother", yes

[uneven plume]

Smoother I mean outlaw esq energy regen

😛

[balmy condor]

lmao no

[low girder]

you won't hit that ever barring corruption returning

[balmy condor]

if sin ever reaches outlaw energy regen, something is very very broken

[uneven plume]

yah that ST damage is gonna break the game

[balmy condor]

I mean breaking the fundamental design of the spec

not the damage that would come from it

[strange python]

I mean I got told that you should flag after vend in here but it just screwed up my button pressing I decided to forget it

And just bleeds up vend vanish trinket govogogogo

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[strange python]

Venthyr mog bis

Honestly just have fun

As sin you won’t even burst that high you’ll peak at like 15k if you’re lucky

We shine when the burst is over and we just slowly creep up the meters

Excuse me

Have you guys seen the hungering destroyer rankings?

[balmy condor]

what about them

[strange python]

Push topped as sub the sexy demon

[balmy condor]

yeh?

push is a giga gamer

he's been rank 1 sub for a couple weeks now

[strange python]

He’s rank 2 world and rank 1 us and eu rogue dps on hungering as sub

Absolute Chad

I’ll need to watch the replay tomorrow but damn what a geezer

@balmy condor would you say EP and vigor on sludge?

[balmy condor]

I think it's playable yeah

[strange python]

I’m just thinking it may be optimal for the short damage windows

[balmy condor]

it's definitely good

I don't think there's any hard evidence to show that one is better than the other

but there have been some high logs with ep vigor

[odd hazel]

do yall go emeni for M+? or just stay Bone?

for those who play necro

[balmy condor]

heirmir gemstone

[strange python]

[bright ingot]

Does anyone have a Weak Aura for the Shiv debuf so i can track the 9 sec on it?

[magic flint]

What is the BiS assassin pvp legendary?

[slow marsh]

maybe ask #pvp

[balmy condor]

doom/ma usually

but yeah

#pvp

[magic flint]

Oh sorry, I'm blind

looked for a pvp channel and didnt notice

might as well reroll dh at this point

[gusty mirage]

don't do that to yourself, the shame is more than enough

no one deserves to play havoc rn

[bleak glacier]

can you cloak the eruption on SLG ?

like if i had debuff from doing it before

[gusty mirage]

yes

it lets you double soak if needed

[bleak glacier]

sick

[gusty mirage]

you can also soak overlaps w/ cloak

[torn atlas]

Just make sure you cloak the second one, not the first one.

Cos cloak won't stop you getting the debuff.

[feral merlin]

does wound poison work on sanguine

[stoic needle]

probably but it'snot worth it

just kite

[grave elm]

when running the lego master assassin, is it better to run subterfuge for keys and garrote things or better to mutilate?

or should i pop out of stealth with FoK?

[stoic needle]

subterfuge or nightstalker are good. with subterfuge you'd gar3x +fok during the 4 seconds of MA, with NS you'd MFD > CT out of stealth and then fok > rup > fok > rup

[grave elm]

Thank you x

[balmy condor]

wound def works on sang

but the damage loss from running wound is most likely a big loss compared to the actual healing you end up reducing

[hollow escarp]

also no venomous wounds

[feral merlin]

i thought wound poison was a nonlethal for a sec

would be neat to replace crippling poison because mobs do get stuck in sanguine sometimes

but the slow is nice for tanks

[balmy condor]

Well that’s why you use numbing

Crippling on sang week is giga troll

You also just de-facto take numbing for the enrage dispell

[last mulch]

hey new to this just wanted to see if there is a guide i can follow on a website or something

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[last mulch]

thx

[balmy condor]

Pleasure

[placid cobalt]

does anyone have any idea as to why my assa sims way better with the necrolord covenant for any 2+ target situation compared to venthir? If i sim ST venthir is about 150 dps ahead (lashing vs sbs conduit) however at 2 targets or more necro takes the lead esponentially. If that is correct how is venthir the top simming covenant in dslice? am i missing something?

[balmy condor]

Yeah that makes sense

You can see in the pins with cleave and aoe comparisons that necro is ahead there as well

[placid cobalt]

yeah i noticed, the thing that confused me is the dslice sim putting venthir on top tho

guess ill take it with a pinch of salt considering there are lots of variables in actual dungeons that make it differ

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice has a boss built in

And depending on what your simming, you’ll have a lot of time for the dot to tick on sbs

Lot of dungeonslice pulls are under 40 seconds

[placid cobalt]

precisely my thoughts, im mostly interested in keys on the 21-22 range, so ofc if the slice is based on 40 sec pulls that you'd do on 15 keys the results don't really reflect real life situations that much

[plucky sluice]

ty blizz...farmin mists..24times now and no dagger...ty blizz that only 1 class can get this daggers 😦

[final star]

@balmy condor did we find out about the edge case mfd usage?

[balmy condor]

it's a very minor gain to mfd on <=3 cp from stealth

[final star]

As expected; definitely smoothes out a pull

[dawn moat]

So blindside+ds or elaborate + vigor for slg myth? Both sims within ~10 dps in patchwerk

[limber lion]

Ye or EP NS MFD

There's a lot of choice for Sludge

[final star]

I played ep/ns/mfd on hc

Was pretty fun still

[dawn moat]

Hm, will sim mfd build for my rogue. theoretically that is 3 envenoms in a row?

[limber lion]

EP MA MFD is also great if yoy have IQD

[limber lion]

Well you can get 4-5 Envenoms during a pillar

Which is also quite big considering that as a Venthyr that means a lot of Flag hits as well

As a NF you get a lot of Envenom damage from Sepsis, so that's great as well

[balmy condor]

wasn't the question slg

and not sludge

[limber lion]

:)

Ye forget everything we said my man

[final star]

[dawn moat]

Hm thoughts slg is sludgfist 🙂

[limber lion]

I woke up 5mins ago. I've literally corrected people who've made this exact same mistake lul

So you are talking about Sludge?

[balmy condor]

slg is stone legion generals

[dawn moat]

Sry

Was asking about big guy

[balmy condor]

lmao

[limber lion]

Well then everything we said stands true

[dawn moat]

Thx anyway

[final star]

Just for a diff boss

[dawn moat]

[limber lion]

No, he literally was asking for Sludge himself lul

But ye, just play around it

[final star]

He was?

[limber lion]

And try out different builds in heroic

[final star]

We 5Head

[dawn moat]

Well.. I don’t raid usually. Just helping friends while they don’t have 20 ppl 🙂

Asking because I’m necro-key outlaw and sin is something new for me

[limber lion]

Have fun with it

[tawdry falcon]

!iqd

shiet

how does the iqd determine the stat to buff?

i keep seeing the top two, but i just got the bottom one

[limber lion]

It chooses one of the two highest stats.

[limber lion]

Then it's not your bottom stat, because it doesn't work like that

Either you swapped your gear or ate different food or something.

But it's the 2 highest stats or the highest stat during lust.

[tawdry falcon]

Hrm, i didnt swap any gear or anything like that, but it def chose verse for some reason

op, nvm. I was looking at the percentages and not the actual value. my bad

[brazen rampart]

Should I be using that macro for IQD that targets yourself during execute so you always get the stats?

[limber lion]

I think the execute is fine as well.

[brazen rampart]

Ah cool

Heard from a boomkin friend that they use this macro so I wondered if it's just a general thing I somehow missed

[limber lion]

Yeh it's hard to say which is better. If you have cooldowns ready, then the stats might be better but outside of cooldowns not. But that's really feelcrafty, not sure which is better.

[gloomy fern]

if you use iqd during BL u get highest one

100%

[jaunty kayak]

hey.. what's the best use of cds on sludge mythic? vend on pull, 2nd and 4th pillar and flaggelation with vend?

[slender berry]

yea

assuming you lust on 4th pillar which usually you do

[shy dust]

Sync vendetta with flag

For sludge

[slender berry]

thats what he said

[silver pond]

Hey guys, just started playing assassin and was wondering. Is it worth dotting other targets on council fight (for energy)? Or just stick to main target?

[balmy condor]

gar and rup on 1 additional boss

[jaunty kayak]

alright, thx guys :)

[silver pond]

Thats what i thought, thanks.

[tawdry falcon]

should i run ST build for ToP?

[limber lion]

No.

You can try Doomblade or MA, but you should still run the usual talents like EP Subt CT

[analog glade]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[analog glade]

After the first flaggellation, better to use them on cd, so as not to lose one?

[balmy condor]

correct

[analog glade]

So in the idea, the contribution of putting it out of vendetta is greater than if I keep it on purpose for my vendetta?

[balmy condor]

the gain from casting out of vendetta is greater than the loss of missing a cast

[analog glade]

It seems obvious to me said like that, thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[rare flint]

Debating swapping from nf to venthyr 🥴

[eternal lance]

yo guys can use doom blade on mythyc plus

?

doom blade legendary

[hollow escarp]

if I forget to change my gear from the raiding set

[eternal lance]

: | u mean its not posible

[hollow escarp]

there are a few dungeons where it's not that bad

[eternal lance]

oww

[hollow escarp]

I'm thinking about ToP

[eternal lance]

So best is zoldyck ?

[hollow escarp]

or MA

[ebon thorn]

@balmy condor do i go mastery or haste

[eternal lance]

ma ?

[hollow escarp]

Master Assassin

[eternal lance]

i have 2 of them

idk use witch of them

: |

idk who have more damage

[balmy condor]

For what

[balmy condor]

Yikes

[eternal lance]

bru i must use ma or zoldyck ?

[balmy condor]

Whichever you prefer

[eternal lance]

idk witch better : D

[balmy condor]

They’re very similar

[ebon thorn]

mastery best stat for m+ and raid, versa for world pve content, and full haste for pvp

[balmy condor]

Mastery is not the best stat for m+, and it’s the WORST stat for raid, in not sure what kind of data you’re using to determine “world PvE”, and I literally don’t know anyone who goes full haste in pvp

So you actually confused me even more

[eternal lance]

haste best for pve

u guys told me

[ebon thorn]

yo and

[eternal lance]

😄

[ebon thorn]

intellect is bis for pet battles, because youre smarter

[balmy condor]

Is there a question here

[ebon thorn]

and knowledge is power

[hollow escarp]

secondaries in shadowlands

[balmy condor]

Or are we just trolling

I’m gonna assume troll at this point

[ebon thorn]

oh

i thought that was obvious from the first comment, sorry whispyr

[balmy condor]

You pinged me asking mastery or haste

[ebon thorn]

yes, that's the exact same thing i "trolled" about like 2 days ago after you said sim it

[balmy condor]

Yeah I actually don’t remember that

I go through so many questions a day

I actually have no clue who you are

My bad I guess

[ebon thorn]

I think youre just getting old

no worries

[balmy condor]

Will remember next time

[ruby birch]

do you remember me

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ruby birch]

❤️

[balmy condor]

You were one of the sub regulars during early shadowlands

[hollow escarp]

you can't really forget somebody that is talented into Gloomblade

[ruby birch]

love u whispyr

[balmy condor]

Love u too bb

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Fuck you cev

I bet you’ve never had a platonic love for someone

Disgusting

[limber lion]

Hell nah, that's gay and I don't deal with that.

Jk we're very inclusive here

Power to the people

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Jk, love you homeboy

[balmy condor]

Nah you had your chance

[limber lion]

I was just trying to be like the cool edgy kids

[ember nest]

yo.. zoldyck would be better on feet or legs ?

[drifting cloud]

legs

[strange python]

quick question guys - should I delay flag for vendetta or can I use it on cool down at all times?

[lofty shell]

sorry whispyr but here's your answer pretty much

someone asked it a little while ago if they should combine flag / vendetta

[vocal edge]

Is it ever worth holding shiv? Ie full combo points or I'm sitting at 0 cp and want to build first

[pastel shale]

no just press shiv on CD

[strange python]

As far as I understood you should use Shiv always on cooldown. You just wanna refersh the bleedind dots before using Shiv and maybe delay it a little bit if Vendetta is ready

but not too long

[vocal edge]

So I would delay it like 5s to gar mut rupt first (if needed) or wait till vend, but otherwise just on CD?

[strange python]

yes. but the optimal way to play it is not delaying it at all and trying to refresh your dots before it comes off cooldown if they are about to fall off in your shiv window..

[vocal edge]

Got it thanks. More things to improve on

[bright elk]

Another shiv question. If I got full combo points and shiv off cool down, should I waste the 1 combo point for a quick shiv envenom or should I hit envenom then shiv?

[drifting cloud]

shiv first

[pliant apex]

does cloak for rogues work as immunity on darkvein mythic?

going to have my first pull tomorrow

[plain thistle]

inerva adds you mean?

yes

[pliant apex]

yea

[plain thistle]

it does work

[pliant apex]

oh ok, so i always use it as adds about to come out?

[pliant apex]

shiv then envenom

[vocal edge]

If you push the first adds, you should cloak I think it's the first and fourth set since the fourth set is the final burn

[winter vapor]

has anyone else noticed bonespikes secondary dmg (from the conduit/soulbind) is affect by armour?

[bright elk]

Thanks @pliant apex

[solar bramble]

aight so . . for next leggo (210 ma atm no others) . . what's a good second if pvp and m+ are the core focuses. . was thinking shadowstrike leggo to cheese out some easy arena and before it's nerfed. . zoldyck for m+ (no i don't plan to outlaw m+) or doomblade for sin pvp and still ok m+ . . . can't decide

[honest silo]

If you already have MA I would go Zoldyck for m+

[solar bramble]

ya i'll be getting a good bit of m+ gear as well for sin play. . my stat alignments for anything but pvp are atrocious lol

so probably the play is for a m+ leggo

[winter vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[alpine garden]

How long does it take to get renown up to the point where you have the optimal soulbind available with all slots?

If you switch

[stoic needle]

A few days

[limber lion]

Depends, but generally 1 or 2 days.

Some people have trouble with renown getting locked for who-knows-what reason

But generally it's just a couple of days.

Just doing the raid on all difficulties (LFR, Normal, Heroic) will net you around 20-25 renown, and you can just do the campaign after that and you'll be good to go.

[alpine garden]

Ah interesting

Cheers!

[limber lion]

[alpine garden]

I thought it would take much longer for some reason

[limber lion]

Yeah a lot of people speculated that it would take around 2 resets

[final star]

Took me 2 days to get 40 on my shaman

[limber lion]

But apparently getting renown from every single boss in the raid and very often from low m+ doesn't really agree with that theory

[final star]

yup

can get to 34 so fast

[limber lion]

Doomblade.

Just focus on hitting your current boss target as much as possible. You can garrote/rupture/poison one extra boss for the energy regen

You can throw a rupture/envenom on the attendant, but Assa's attendant damage is quite bad.

[cerulean nest]

DAE use thistle tea in m+ or any type of situation?

[stoic needle]

No, thistle tea is just worse than combat pots

[cerulean nest]

I know but just in situations where you wouldn't use pots

[limber lion]

But what kind of a situation is that, where you would rather use Thistle Tea instead of a combat potion?

[stoic needle]

But it's not

Yeah

They share CDs so there's literally no reason to ever use one

[cerulean nest]

idk like I'm doing a +15 or something and using a pot on a boss would be a waste... and just use a tea for some extra uptime to make it quicker

[stoic needle]

Agi pots are like 300g

Not really a waste

[cerulean nest]

I know it isn't better, that's not what I'm saying lol. just in situations where literally pots are overkill and not worth wasting the gold

[limber lion]

Don't bother

Either use a proper combat potion or don't use anything.

[stoic needle]

If you're trying to time a key, use a pot. If you don't need it, don't use anything

[cerulean nest]

for sure haha

[loud niche]

in a +5 nothing you do matters enough anyway kekw

[limber lion]

5 min cooldown from using a Thistle Tea is not worth

[loud niche]

imo thistle tea should be a 30 sec cd to keep it comparable to pots

[stoic needle]

You could do a +5 with no gear only weapons

[limber lion]

I disagree

I think Thistle Tea should not even be usable at 60

It's a vanilla item

Why would that be relevant in the Shadowlands?

[loud niche]

we're 60 again

they coulda played on it a lot

[stoic needle]

Because shadowlands is a classic throwback

[limber lion]

...

Maybe we should have the chance to equip the Warglaives of Azzinoth as well.

[stoic needle]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

Im just not referring to the BEST or the MOST or what you NEED I was just saying like, why not just pop one for a few extra envenoms during random low level content where pots aren't necessary

[loud niche]

i dont think that even at 60sec cd thistle tea would ever out perform a combat pot

[stoic needle]

I don't think it will make any noticeable difference

[cerulean nest]

omg lol

"outperform"

[loud niche]

at 30sec cd it's comparable and would be fine imo, if you wanted to use

[stoic needle]

You can sim it, it's not really

[loud niche]

why would you not trust the sims?

[limber lion]

You can do that if you want. But it's such a little difference, it doesn't really make a difference whatsoever

[loud niche]

they've been wrong like twice in 2 xpacs

[limber lion]

No one's stopping you

[stoic needle]

Our mastery doesn't scale well enough to make stacking it on trinkets actually do anything better than stacking other stats

[cerulean nest]

for sure that's all I wanted haha

[stoic needle]

The sim is actually smarter than you though

Yes

[limber lion]

That's what he meant

He's calling himself stupid

[stoic needle]

It's all freely viewable on GitHub

[loud niche]

they can't

[limber lion]

They don't

[stoic needle]

By literally testing them

[loud niche]

that's why there is different sims

lmfao

[limber lion]

That's not how sims work

[stoic needle]

Why would the sim waste time testing things that are obviously bad unless you tell it to

Yes they do?

[limber lion]

That's a druid apl problem then, not a simulation problem in itself.

[stoic needle]

Because someone programmed the apl to do that

The thing is that druids have a good mastery, ours is trash garbage

[limber lion]

They do account for many, many situations.

And each class has their own apl's that are used for simming

And some are worse than others.

[stoic needle]

But you'd just do more damage if you stacked crit or vers instead

It doesn't really matter because 600 crit or 600 vers would be better

None of the mastery trinkets are better than a Phial

Denial is not just a river in Egypt my friend

I mean you're free to do less damage if you want lmao

[limber lion]

#off-topic for the memes.

[stoic needle]

Mastery is pretty bad for sub

[limber lion]

Who knows, not really important.

No, you can play Assassination fine even without any haste.

The theoretical maximum crit chance is 100% obviously.

It's similar where the dots deal damage faster.

But it's not really that major.

It's not like you'll do 2k less dps because you don't have any haste.

It might be a few hundred dps if that.

Haste/Crit are both good stats to focus on.

But secondaries don't really matter that much, just get ilvl.

You should only start worrying about secondaries when you start comparing two 226 items together

[fleet anchor]

✋

Yes

[limber lion]

I thought we went through this already

lul

[slow marsh]

lol

[fleet anchor]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commits/shadowlands

[stoic needle]

[slow marsh]

#assassination message

[stoic needle]

No

That's not how it works at all

Those are trusted theorycrafters and the commits have to be approved

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's obvious

I don't think is a conversation you really want to have

tbh

You are better off just dropping it now and stick to icyveins guides

[stuck knoll]

!mute @ruby ingot you seem to not be providing anything and have just been baiting for the last hour so you can take a break

[slow marsh]

ty

[frail fossil]

thank u

[limber lion]

You the boss Ronkles

[stoic needle]

[stuck knoll]

Thank Koji for pointing him out to me

[fallen current]

Ronkles the real mvp

[hasty siren]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[limber lion]

Thanks Koji

[sudden hound]

rip i was reading all the nonsense and having a drink

[fallen current]

Lul banned.

[fleet anchor]

Ok, now folks can get back to the regularly scheduled asking of Whispyr the same questions every 15 minutes. 😄

[warped temple]

@balmy condor whaTs tHe BeSt LegGo foR m+

[kindred rapids]

So using ct on huntsman should I apply ct bleed before burst?

[clever vapor]

Should I sync flagellation with vendetta or use it on cd?

[fleet anchor]

I don't personally think CT is worth on Huntsman tbh

I think it's fairly neutral for more work

[kindred rapids]

Hmm ok

[fleet anchor]

2T is very borderline for CT

[kindred rapids]

It sims a little better

But I'm struggling to use it optimally

[fleet anchor]

Especially considering you won't get refreshes during P2 (doggo out of range twice part of the phase) or P4 (no doggos)

[kindred rapids]

Yeah

[fleet anchor]

I was at like 8.5k with Poison Bomb this week

[kindred rapids]

Pb is only like 2% dmg tho

[fleet anchor]

If you are gonna talent swap, probably EP is better than Blindside but I didn't bother

[limber lion]

I personally run EP Subt MFD CT

But I think I'm the only one in the leaderboards doing that

Everyone else just runs the ST build and just keeps bleeds up on the doggo :p

[fleet anchor]

When I simmed some variants of 2T with prorating the last% of P4

[limber dagger]

Do i use Shiv in AoE?

[fleet anchor]

I pretty much came to the conclusion that CT and Subt were neutral

[limber lion]

Yeh, just slam it.

[limber dagger]

I guess i dont use Envenom even in Shiv window tho right?

[limber lion]

Yeah makes sense honestly. I just enjoy playing something else for one of the fights :p

[fleet anchor]

EP is almost certainly worth though

Since you'll approach Energy cap with full 2T bleeds

[limber lion]

You can if you have bleeds up on multiple targets already or if you want to focus prio-damage on a big trash mob.

[limber lion]

Yeh agree. EP seems really good whenever there's 2+ targets.

[fleet anchor]

I got a rank 40-50 parse on it without swapping to EP, kinda wish I had swapped since I dunno if we'll kill that fast next week lol

[limber lion]

That makes me wonder whether or not it would be good on Council as well

Or not, because you don't get damage from the second bleeds anyways

Council is a tricky one

[fleet anchor]

Council it's worth too imo

[patent topaz]

idk sometimes huntsman doesnt go vuln at the end

weird stuff

[fleet anchor]

You should have enough energy on Council

[limber lion]

Yeah makes sense

[fleet anchor]

When I updated the priority rotation logic in the APL last week the findings were basically:

[limber lion]

Can't wait to start reclearing, it's been over 2 months of extending now. Got to Sire P3 last night, so we're surely on our way to CE soon :p

[fleet anchor]

1. Definitely worth cleaving up to the energy cap for prio damage even if the secondary dots do no damage at all (on the other bosses)

2. Once you reach ~35 energy/sec regen rate from all sources you're good

[limber lion]

Hmm interesting.

Would you say it's not worth having bleeds on a second target during lust then?

Or just having, say, garrote?

And not Ruture as well

Sorry, I phrased that terribly

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it would depend on haste levels and stuff

[limber lion]

Lol

[fleet anchor]

Although we save lust for P3 anyway

So it's kinda not relevant

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's true

[fleet anchor]

But yeah I ended up having much better results when I checked the energy regen rate rather than poisoned_bleeds

And 34-35 energy/sec was the current "magic number"

4 bleeds gives you 32

worth of ticks

every 2s hasted

So 100% just depends on haste levels

[limber lion]

Yeah that seems enough honestly

Council is definitely an interesting fight. I mean, I dislike the fight itself, but minmaxing around it is interesting. It gets quite hectic, it's hard to say what's worth and what's not.

[fleet anchor]

During lust I think 3 bleeds almost certainly is enough

Honestly even primary target bleeds might be enough

[limber lion]

Like if you're running around to get a second rupture on an immune target, it's hard to say if it's worth or not.

Yeah, makes sense

[fleet anchor]

Council is definitely a really interesting case for it

I had a really good few pulls on Council employing this technique this week

Which of course we had a 0% wipe on

[limber lion]

Ouch :p

[fleet anchor]

And then my next pull was trash

[limber lion]

Yeah that's the normal parse cycle

You do great on so many occasions and on the kill it's awful

[fleet anchor]

I mean I ended up with a 75% parse or something so not trash trash

But the previous pull was like in 98-99% area lol

[limber lion]

Ronkles had a similar thing where he was parsing 99's on Sludge and wiped at 0% and then on the kill parsed a 7.

Yeah 75% is definitely still good.

[fleet anchor]

4840 range on 0% wipe vs. 4440 on the kill. 😦

[limber lion]

I had a similar case on SLG as well.

The kill was 7.6k dps (97) but I had a pull previously where I was at 8.2k

[fleet anchor]

And honestly because we had straggler deaths that lead to the 0% wipe probably even that pull would have been better

[limber lion]

A 2% wipe.

[strange python]

whats the priority on a 2 target fight on pull? putting my bleeding dots and poison on it before using vend/shiv/van?

[fleet anchor]

If people didn't die to the last recital

[limber lion]

Yeah that's true. The more people are alive, the faster the boss dies, the better parse you get

Generally

Of course if your cooldowns line up better by having someone die, then that's a different case :p

[fleet anchor]

I was at like 4.9k before everyone started dying from the tank death

[limber lion]

You generally want to put up garrotes/ruptures on both targets first and then start pumping on the main target.

[fleet anchor]

On our kill

[strange python]

thank you very much

[fleet anchor]

I literally got chosen

For every. Single. Recital.

[limber lion]

That sucks so much

[strange python]

my gosh, sucks so much

[gusty kestrel]

what does that matter

u circle the boss

[fleet anchor]

lol I mean in theory no.. but with Assassination melee range and on Stavros or when drops are slightly off yes

I mean makes zero difference for Outlaw

Their hitboxes are stupid tiny

[limber lion]

Yeh I agree with Koji. It's pretty simple in theory, but doesn't really work like that

And then there's that one dude that moves a bit too fast so you have to adjust

:p

[fleet anchor]

yeah

I mean it's not huge

But it does mean keeping up the full proper rotation and multi-dots is kinda not gonna happen

[strange python]

yeah. I got fu**** over so many times because someone always moves in a random direction at some pooint

[limber lion]

Yep.

Kinda kills the flow a bit when you get it

You have everything planned out in your head and you're thinking 10s ahead, and then everything just kinda stops during the recital

Oh well, still got like 4 more months of Castle Nathria. Maybe we'll get better at it by then

[gloomy fern]

getting declined to mythic pugs, unlucky

[limber lion]

Yeh same, I can't get into a +19. Such a shame.

[gloomy fern]

i meant raid

[limber lion]

Really need to find a group to push with, bit of a pain

Oh

That's a bit of a meme then

Are you doing it on your main as well?

[gloomy fern]

yeah

[limber lion]

Why wouldn't they take you?

[gloomy fern]

need 1/2 vault slots until i start trial next reset

for them 233 daggers

[clever vapor]

with deeper stratagem, do I use a finishing move at 4 points

or mutilate to 6?

[gloomy fern]

finish at 5/6

[clever vapor]

yeah but if I'm at 4, and I can't apply 1 combo point through shiv or garrote, do I mutilate?

[limber lion]

Always 5/6, no exceptions.

Yes.

[clever vapor]

Cool thanks!

[limber lion]

The only exceptions could be either on your opener when you have all cds running, or during Flag/Shiv window.

But not 100% sure on that.

A lot of people try to slam a 4cp finisher at the end of Flag

Because they can't fit another muti in before Flag ends

But that's really feelcrafty, can't say for sure if it's worth it or not.

[clever vapor]

Do I try to sync vendetta with flagellation? Like delay vendettta thirty seconds so it can be synced with flagellation?

[limber lion]

I know Whispyr promotes always using finishers at 5/6 CP, the difference is probably very marginal and not worth the effort.

[limber lion]

The same logic applies to both Vendetta and Flag.

You can delay them IF you won't miss a cast.

But it's usually just better to not delay and use it on CD.

Of course if the boss has like 20% hp, you might wanna delay it.

Because you know you won't be getting a second Vendetta cast anyways.

[clever vapor]

Yeah I se

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[strange python]

I know stat prio is agi>haste>crit>vers>mast
But what is everyone sitting at for haste>crit..trying to see what I should be aiming for to pump

[limber lion]

You shouldn't look at secondaries too much honestly.

You should only start investing in secondaries when you're comparing two 226 or 233 items.

[sinful flicker]

so im looking to upgrade my potency conduits to 213. I cant get them in Heroic CN, so do they drop at 213 for mythic+ and if so what level?

[limber lion]

Which potency conduit are you looking to upgrade?

[sinful flicker]

well, mainly looking for lashing scars. the reason i want them at 213 is cause that way when i use the unbound reality fragment, i dont have to go through like 10k stygia to upgrade all my conduits from 200 to 213

[limber lion]

You can get Lashing Scars from heroic Sire. I'm guessing you meant that you're just unlucky and haven't gotten them.

But yeah, that's the only source for 213/226 Lashing Scars, other than Ven'ari

But the difference between a 200 ilvl and 213 Lashing Scars is around 6-7 dps

It's really, really, really minimal

[sinful flicker]

i just like numbers

LOL

[limber lion]

If you want to grind Maw like a crazy man just for that sweet 6 dps, then all the power to ya mate :p

[sinful flicker]

but where can ifind other potency conduits to 213 like lethal poisons

[limber lion]

Just Ven'ari unfortunately.

[sinful flicker]

shit. sad

[limber lion]

Maim Mangle drops from the raid, but that's about it.

[sinful flicker]

eh

well, hopefully i can get a drop from heroic sire eventually

[limber lion]

Surely!

[sleek sparrow]

Going on 4 weeks without one dropping

[clear temple]

do u guys think ma is viable for rbgs on assa?

[limber lion]

Yes

#pvp

[slim wagon]

do you use vendetta on pull or pillar on sludge?

[limber lion]

If you lust 4th pillar, then on pull, 2nd and 4th

If you lust 1st or 3rd, then on 1st and 3rd pillars.

[pure mauve]

Hello! Is it possible to macro vendetta and venthyr flagelation in same button?

[limber lion]

Yes, but why?

[frail fossil]

u can but it's a terrible idea

[pure mauve]

I struggle a lot with many buttons in rotation

[lean rover]

Just keep practicing you'll get use to it. It's honestly not thé hardest one. Keep doing opener, use weak aura to track buff ans cd you'll do good in no time

[stark oxide]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gloomy knoll]

how come people don't run mastery on slg

do people just not have the gear

[subtle tundra]

no i just wear the mastery gear on my outlaw set

[limber lion]

I don't think people care enough to swap around secondaries.

It's not gonna make a huge difference anyways.

[gloomy knoll]

i mean they care enough to run a diff leggo / build

and run sin lol

[strange python]

[soft shale]

does assa have any good trinket for m+

or is phial+ dreadfire 233 the best

[stoic needle]

Device

Shadowgrasp totem is hasted but I'm not sure how good it is in practice

[soft shale]

problem about the assa sheet is going 0 haste could be super inting

on ST

[halcyon zealot]

@pure mauve assa might have the easiest rotation in the game my man you press 6 maybe 7 buttons

[stoic needle]

Venthyr gives a decent amount of haste baseline

But the problem with going haste mastery is that leaves you with no crit

[soft shale]

i mean it does have 700 crit

so you get some cp from that i guess

[stoic needle]

How much is 700 in %? Idr the conversion

[soft shale]

around 30%

[stoic needle]

Oh damn that's pretty good

[soft quartz]

@halcyon zealot Havoc exists

[stoic needle]

Maybe sin would need a mix of crit and haste instead of pure haste mastery vs subs pure mastery crit

[soft shale]

assa would benefit more from a mix max of those 3 i guess

i mean getting to around 2.1k mastery as assa is that big

i dont think so

[stoic needle]

Depends on what you qualify as big ig

[soft shale]

like actually big noticeable increase of damage in a pull

i guess the garrotes from subter would do big damage

but what else CT would also go big

[halcyon zealot]

@soft quartz tru tru

[stoic needle]

The garottes and ruptures and ct and poisons would all pump

[soft shale]

but that takes a while to get on

oh poisons too i forgot about those

[brittle pawn]

people say that sin is a lot more work in dungeons than outlaw

i feel like it's the opposite

outlaw just has too much to keep track of

[limber lion]

Not really

You do the exact same single target rotation as Outlaw, except you press Blade Flurry before it

But for Assa you have to keep up bleeds on multiple enemies

Making sure every mob is poisoned

Making sure to keep CT up at all times

Choosing proper targets to rupture, that live long enough

[brittle pawn]

slower and more methodical

[limber lion]

But Assa isn't actually slow in M+

[brittle pawn]

vs ooga booga hit buttons like im playing ddr

[limber lion]

Because you have infinite energy regen

[brittle pawn]

still more methodical vs whack-a-mole

[limber lion]

It takes a few gcd's to get started, but after 10 ish seconds your apm is around the same as an Outlaw's

Yeah exactly

Making Assa the harder spec to play, unlike what you said earlier :p

[brittle pawn]

i disagree

sometimes outlaw just feels like its going too fast for my ui

[limber lion]

But didn't you just call Outlaw the ooga booga whack-a-mole spec

[brittle pawn]

and i wind up using 3 more ss instead of a finisher

yea?

disagree with sin being the harder spec to play

[limber lion]

Welp, I guess people have different outlooks on what's hard and what's easy.

[brittle pawn]

it's a different kind of mayhem i guess

less focus on where youre at in your rotation

more focus to the debuffs on enemies

[limber lion]

I just feel like Outlaw is a really simple spec because you do the exact same thing in ST and in AoE

[brittle pawn]

its simple to go from st to aoe, yea

i dont know i'd say it's a simple spec though

[limber lion]

But isn't it?

[limpid dove]

I switched from outlaw to assass when I hit 50 and enjoy assass more

[limber lion]

You just press the glowy button

[limpid dove]

just hit 60 a few hours ago

[brittle pawn]

priorities changing based on rolls, reactionary based on cp generation

i find myself much more often on outlaw going, shit that wasn't what i was supposed to hit next

[limber lion]

Yeah makes sense :p

Everybody has difficulty with different things.

But practice makes perfect.

After playing Outlaw for a while, I'm sure it'll just become second nature and you don't even have to think about the rotation whatsoever.

[brittle pawn]

ive played it plenty, going back to legion

i just can't wait til slg is over so i only have to play it on spiteful

for my one key a week on those weeks

[limber lion]

It's a bit feels bad on Outlaw as well because you don't play MA/KS during that week

[brittle pawn]

i never do anyway

[limber lion]

And I feel like that's the one thing that makes Outlaw kinda fun

At least for me

[brittle pawn]

i dont like ks at all

[limber lion]

Fair enough

[brittle pawn]

or ma at all, for that matter

[limber lion]

Yeah, each to their own for sure

I'm in love with MA myself. I've always loved it ever since it was introduced in Legion

I pretty much use it everywhere, except for raids currently.

Open world, Torghast, M+

As Sin that is

[dreamy vessel]

random question but is dot snapshotting a thing?

[brittle pawn]

sometimes

[dreamy vessel]

i.e full cp rupture on sludge fist will carry past dmg amp phase?