assassination

[shy dust]

The biggest thing is just

[tropic echo]

esp if the group is melee heavy and struggling with range or barely missing dmg on one of them

[shy dust]

Using it on cd basically

[indigo valley]

I can do that

[shy dust]

[indigo valley]

Thanks!

[shy dust]

Np I wish I could look at it more but I’m on mobile

And WCL mobile sucks

[velvet nacelle]

i'm so jealous of your kill time

3:03 is insane

[low girder]

WCL mobile

[indigo valley]

I spent like an hour putting that group together.

No one who’s geared wants to come to shriek xD

[velvet nacelle]

we're doing it in like 5:30 pretty consistently

just after the 2nd invuln phase

it's SO GOOD for my parses

[shy dust]

I respect the effort arth

Keep getting oranges

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, i totally take back my condescension from earlier

[edgy dune]

Do you use shrunken storm to build combos?

[velvet nacelle]

it's fan of knives on assassination

[stoic needle]

Only on 4+ targets

[velvet nacelle]

and you only fok 4+ targets

below that mut is more efficient for cp

[edgy dune]

what about interrupts? that's my job too right

what to do when kick is on CD?

[shy dust]

Depends

[velvet nacelle]

hope someone else has an interrupt

[stoic needle]

Kidney shot or blind

[velvet nacelle]

you can KS/CS

or blind

[shy dust]

You can kidney or blind

But that’s more applicable to m+ trash

[velvet nacelle]

but, generally speaking, your group should have more than just you on interrupt duty

[edgy dune]

in higher keys is the rogue doing a lot of kidneys, blinds, on trash?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[shy dust]

Rogue handles more of the cc yes

[limber lion]

Should just pump boss. If your group is melee heavy, then just have everyone pump the boss when melee adds are dead, phase the boss before second set and then kill the ranged adds in the middle.

[tropic echo]

phase the boss before second set

[edgy dune]

I'm struggling on trash

[limber lion]

I mean you can help your range deal with the adds if it's necessary but idk

[tropic echo]

if we had that much dps we would've killed it months ago

lol

[limber lion]

I personally would never.

[velvet nacelle]

on a melee heavy group the tank will probably be positioning and moving towards ranged adds

[limber lion]

Oh well in that case you should probably help. It's not too bad if the ranged adds die a bit slow tbh as long as they're dead before the second set spawns

If they die before second set, don't help

[shy dust]

That’s an awful raider mentality

[limber lion]

If they don't, do help

[shy dust]

[stoic needle]

You should start out every pull with 2-3 cp Ruptures and garottes on everything, and crimson tempest. Start out with 3 garottes, then fan of knives, then use crimson tempest. Then build with mutilate or fok and spread Ruptures around

[velvet nacelle]

@shy dust right? on our heroic sire kill i had to shadowstep to the ranged adds and shadowstep back to the main platform (was playing sub at the time)

[stoic needle]

And refresh those bleeds when they get into pandemic range

[limber lion]

Ye I'm just exaggerating.

[velvet nacelle]

i really only try to keep 2 ruptures up most of the time tbh

i like to pump crimson tempest

[shy dust]

Yeah back on prog I had to step to kill the mobs

[edgy dune]

so most my dps is coming from spreading those ruptures?

[shy dust]

Yes it’s a damage loss for you

[steep current]

Hello quick question would zoldyck be better than doomblade for denath progress ?

[shy dust]

But you’re part of a raid

[edgy dune]

and garrotes

[tropic echo]

if i was to start doing it on rogue then one of the ranged adds would be losing an entire combust worth of dmg

[shy dust]

You’re meant to be working together and that includes doing what’s best for the raid

[velvet nacelle]

@shy dust the dps did 0 dps in a wipe as far as i'm concerned

i absolutely abhor people who brag about being top dps in a wipe

[stoic needle]

Yeah rupture and garotte are the majority of your damage. Put up slice and dice somewhere in there after the first Rupture(preferably refresh it at the end of the previous fight)

[shy dust]

I would recommend zoldyck for prog

[stoic needle]

You only evenom when things are very close to dying

[shy dust]

It helps out p3 which is the hardest part of the fight with a tight dps check

[edgy dune]

same thing for like 5 mobs?

[velvet nacelle]

@shy dust our guild, i swear, will never get a boss under 30% until our kill shot

@edgy dune do you have details installed?

[edgy dune]

yes 😦

I just suck

[velvet nacelle]

@edgy dune you don't suck, you just don't know the class yet

in your class hall there's clustered training dummies

[edgy dune]

people are so mean in mythics..and its my key

[tropic echo]

the hardest part of sire by a massive margin is <40%

[velvet nacelle]

practice there

[stoic needle]

Yeah, that's the rotation no matter what the target count is

[velvet nacelle]

@tropic echo oh yeah but i mean EVERY mythic boss

[tropic echo]

30-40% is usually the hardest part of every boss assuming it has phases lol

[stoic needle]

Yeah pugs are toxic it's unfortunate, you have to get used to it sadly

[velvet nacelle]

it feels like we get stuck at 30-40% then we kill it, steady progress until that point, then we stall, then we kill

[edgy dune]

wait..so I was trying that with SIN....but garrote has a CD...it wasn't always up when I was ready to cast on a new mob

[stoic needle]

Put up "no toxicity" in the group description it helps a lot

[velvet nacelle]

@edgy dune if you use subterfuge it'll stay off cd long enough to get it onto 3 targets

[tropic echo]

does it really tho

[edgy dune]

ok

[tropic echo]

you can actually garrote 4 targets with sub, but only 3 of them are buffed

maybe that's a haste thing idk

[velvet nacelle]

so if your garrote is on "1" then you'd 1 > tab > 1 > tab > 1 > fok > crimson tempest

[stoic needle]

Yeah your talents for m+ should be Elaborate planning, subterfuge, vigor, cheat death, iron wire, alacrity, crimson tempest

[velvet nacelle]

i'm pretty sure the covenant sanctums have a cluster of 3 and a cluster of 5 training dummies

it's worth practicing on both since on the 3 you won't be spamming fok

[tropic echo]

ehhhh

im very partial towards mfd

[stoic needle]

4 garottes isnt really necessary because you get energy starved

[low girder]

haste doesn't affect our gcd so no, you get 3 and then the 4th is unempowered, always

[edgy dune]

so I kinda wanna stick with sub...will it put me behind?

should I just get good at SIN?

[tropic echo]

i always have enough energy for 4 garrotes

and if you're running vigor you have far more than enough

[limber lion]

Just play what you want man

[stoic needle]

Mfd isn't very good to recommend to beginners, and gives you energy starvation issues

[velvet nacelle]

oh if you're playing sub then you'd shuriken storm on 2+ targets

[tropic echo]

the 4th garrote usually has a small delay so I might rupture MFD CT then throw it

[velvet nacelle]

though you're likely to get a better conversation/advice in the #subtlety channel

[limber lion]

Did any of you boys get anything good from the vault?

[velvet nacelle]

i personally find sin to be a lot more fun in m+ than sub

[tropic echo]

but if you're running vigor you can always garrote x4

[velvet nacelle]

@limber lion never

[stoic needle]

You don't, tbh, you will get energy starved pretty frequently. You have 120 energy and 4 garottes costs 180

[tropic echo]

when we say sub in this channel 90% of the time we prob mean the subterfuge talent

[edgy dune]

you mean talent?

[tropic echo]

yeah but you're regenning + venomous is ticking from the first 3

[velvet nacelle]

@tropic echo yeah but he also said shuriken storm earlier

[tropic echo]

talent yeah

[stoic needle]

It's still not quite enough

[velvet nacelle]

so i'm kinda not sure where he's coming from

[tropic echo]

brain gets confused

[edgy dune]

its cool

[limber lion]

We don't use sub for subterfuge.

You might

[stoic needle]

Also that means you have to get lucky with Poison procs

[edgy dune]

lol

[limber lion]

But most of us don't.

We use Subt or just subterfuge

[velvet nacelle]

also what ceverion said

[limber lion]

It's like saying "DS"

What does that mean

Deathly Shadows?

[edgy dune]

role sub to subeterfuge with a sub and a subt?

[limber lion]

Deeper Stratagem?

Dashing Scoundrel?

[velvet nacelle]

but really @edgy dune your best bet is to practice on training dummies

[edgy dune]

I do 😦

[stoic needle]

Like dont get me wrong, mfd is good. But 4 gar out of stealth with MfD is definitely not recommended

[edgy dune]

my DPS is lit on dummies

[stoic needle]

Just gotta keep practicing man, no other way around it

On dummies and in keys

[edgy dune]

mean ass healers holding me down breh

[stoic needle]

Don't get discouraged by some assholes

[velvet nacelle]

get it into muscle memory on dummies then it's easier on keys

[stoic needle]

Well you also shouldn't stand in shit and should use your defensives liberally

I highly highly highly recommend making a tricks of the trade macro

[edgy dune]

I do stand in shit

[stoic needle]

So that aggro isn't a concern

[edgy dune]

I dont try to

[velvet nacelle]

if your "rotation" is still an active thought, then you're gonna drop a ton of dps while you're trying to stay alive

[edgy dune]

but I do

[limber lion]

The sim does actually use 4 garrotes in a row with MFD.

[velvet nacelle]

OR you're gonna die while you're thinking about the buttons to press

[edgy dune]

truth

[stoic needle]

Does it? I haven't seen that

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/50dea3f4b5356609b377109d8e622b20

[velvet nacelle]

i personally would rather have someone do low dps if they're playing an alt than constantly be standing in shit

[limber lion]

But that's the sim also assuming you use MFD for SnD

Instead of gar gar gar rup mfd ct

And I seriously doubt that gar gar gar gar ct is better than gar gar gar rup mfd ct

[velvet nacelle]

MfD feels bad to me unless it's on outlaw

[edgy dune]

thanks guys you rock!

[velvet nacelle]

just feels like the cd is way too long to be beneficial

[stoic needle]

I just don't really find mfd to be needed on sin

[velvet nacelle]

(for ST)

[stoic needle]

The mfd NS CT ma build is sick

[velvet nacelle]

and for trash i don't feel CP starved

[limber lion]

I think MFD is great because Vigor's energy regen is pretty pointless on multiple targets.

[stoic needle]

But for the normal zold build I don't feel it's neccesary

[limber lion]

Yeah nah

If you run Zoldy, just go with Vigor my boys

Or better yet

[velvet nacelle]

i do like that there's more than just th ecookie cutter builds being played in here though

[limber lion]

Play whatever you want

😄

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like they did a good job of keeping the talent builds pretty close right now

[stoic needle]

Vigor gives you more room to not overcap when rupture sniping

[velvet nacelle]

i mean there's a "best" build for me dps wise, but i'm not dropping a ton of dps to play something i personally find more fun

that being said, i haven't tried any exsanguinate builds since legion so maybe that's trash

[low girder]

exsang is gigatrash

atm

[stoic needle]

It is pretty garbage sadly

[balmy condor]

exsang is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE

[stoic needle]

[velvet nacelle]

i like the idea of it but yeah, that's sort of the sense i got from it

[edgy dune]

dang sub channel is dead

[charred wraith]

Exsang bis for sludge

[limber lion]

"- Intentionally spreading misinformation"

[velvet nacelle]

@charred wraith i thought about trying it for a heroic sludge alt run or something but haven't done it yet

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

i'm sure there's sims lying around of giving us 126% haste and upping exsang to 400% and it still loses to alacrity

[edgy dune]

I'm night fae...do I use sepsis on a trash pull of like 3-4 mobs?

[balmy condor]

probably timed out again

[low girder]

[spark pelican]

!keys

[balmy condor]

you know what that means right

[spark pelican]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[balmy condor]

that means the boobs sim, will only exist for a month

and then be lost forever

[velvet nacelle]

@edgy dune you should be using it as much as you can honestly

though i personally did not enjoy sepsis on assassination

[low girder]

unless you run it a bunch once a month to keep one

this is how seri gets you

[balmy condor]

it took me

149 sims

to get that

I'm not redoing it

[low girder]

[velvet nacelle]

heh, set up a cron job to just navigate to that url once every few days in a headless browser

there, done

[vestal wren]

149 sims 👀

[edgy dune]

I use "target nearest enemy" to switch targets as my keybind, is that bad?

[velvet nacelle]

i'm a click targetter

[vestal wren]

whats the problem teamchina?

[edgy dune]

HOW DO YOU DO all that switching for bleeds as a clicker??

[velvet nacelle]

@vestal wren mata was saying you have to navigate to that sim once a month to keep it cached or something

[vestal wren]

no

it simply gets delete after a month, a conjob won't fix that

[low girder]

whispyr did, yeah. not navigate, the entire sim just expires

[velvet nacelle]

i dunno, i just click

ahh

[vestal wren]

30 days is the expire date

[balmy condor]

I would actually have to take that sim

[vestal wren]

so you would need to re-sim it every 30 days

[balmy condor]

and go back through the process

of resimming

for 80085 dps

[velvet nacelle]

gross

[low girder]

mouseover macros

[balmy condor]

and that's a lot of work

[edgy dune]

good answer : P

[velvet nacelle]

i say screenshot it for posterity and let chuffa use it in the next 30 days

[vestal wren]

Its 1-2 hours of work for my spreadsheet usually, i wanted to automate it but lost motivation^^

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like if you pvp a lot you just naturally get used to clicking on targets

[balmy condor]

he has 30 days to screenshot it himself

[low girder]

that too but also just having a rupture mouseover very helpful

imo

[velvet nacelle]

i can't imagine trying to pvp and tab target through 10-40 enemies for the one i want to kill

obviously 40 is an extreme and not realistic

but it feels like it might as well be

[vestal wren]

tbh

i think a circle menue would work well for tab

[velvet nacelle]

so like hold tab an dget an opie of nearby targets?

[vestal wren]

(hold tab -> you get a circle menue with your targets around your mouse)

yes

[edgy dune]

I do some clicking in pvp

[velvet nacelle]

that'd be pretty dope actually

[edgy dune]

for focus targets

but in mythic AH huh

[velvet nacelle]

i focus priority targets and click/mouseover the rest

[edgy dune]

with pvp addons clicking is ok

[vestal wren]

tab targeting isn't super bad overall

[velvet nacelle]

like i usually have frieda focused in the council fight so i can @violet plaza kick her without having to think about it

[stoic needle]

I used to use mouseover macros but I find tab targeting to be just as good and less effort

[vestal wren]

but it has a lot of small issues that you could fix

[edgy dune]

I'm left so I use the "end" button

[stoic needle]

For bleeds anyway

[velvet nacelle]

@vestal wren it's not but i find it goes to something i don't expect often enough that i just click

[stoic needle]

Mfd and kick are still mouseover

[velvet nacelle]

i will tab garrote/rupture if i'm being lazy on trash

but if i'm "try harding" i click

i mean this is purely personal preference territory though

[low girder]

it's really just rupture on top of that for me

also makes rupture sniping easier

[pseudo hamlet]

Guys, I have about ~22% of haste. I simmed my gear and it shows that crit/vers belt(226) is better than haste/vers(also 226). The weird thing is that after simming my stat weight it shows that haste > all... and the second option of gear(not the strongest one) shows me the second belt with haste/vers but with a crit gem.
Does that mean I am at some kind of the break point where haste loses the value to crit?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vY2rxZ6oCCaUJtmQWteL4k

[low girder]

i don't mouseover garrote

[vital haven]

jeez

the only thing i mouseover is mfd

[stoic needle]

I don't like having dots on mouseovers because I end up overwriting stuff that I just dotted accidentally as they move around

[balmy condor]

all that paragraph writing just for me to tell you that stat weights suck and breakpoints don't exist

unlucky

[velvet nacelle]

haha

[low girder]

they're separate buttons, it's just something i got used to

it's been less useful as expansions go by lol

[granite lance]

oof, i'm ilvl 199 and i managed to do a +12 last week, it's a shame the vault reward was in the only slot that I can't benefit from, my legendary slot...

[stoic needle]

The margin of error of your sims is 3 dps, which is the difference between the gem options which means they're basically the same

[velvet nacelle]

@granite lance that has happened to me so many times this expansion

my monk has one 226 piece and everything else is 197-200ish

[granite lance]

on my other character before this, I got a weapon 4 weeks in a row

i know that's better than not getting a weapon but i mean jeez come on

[velvet nacelle]

last weeks weekly quest gave me an item in that slot and my vault this week also gave me an item in that slot

[granite lance]

ouch

i'm debating just making a different legendary so i can take the 223

[pseudo hamlet]

I am always trying to explain my problems as clear as possible, so there wouldn't be any vague hints. 😐

[velvet nacelle]

the vault can be great but, for me, it's more often been disappointment

[balmy condor]

ain't a problem tho sadly

it's just how stats work

they're close enough to not matter in this case

[low girder]

yep. do not use stat weights. they're pointless

[granite lance]

i'm currently using doomblade gloves but i have a zoldyck legs, i could make doomblade shoulders instead or level up my zoldyck... 🤔

[velvet nacelle]

i've pulled stygia 8 or 9 times now on my main

[balmy condor]

why would you make a second doomblade

[velvet nacelle]

8 or 9 times BEFORE breaking 215 ilvl i should say

[granite lance]

because the vault dropped 223 gloves

[pseudo hamlet]

Sure thing, took the second belt anyway, rest were... the same items. So will have that one just in case if I get other 226ilvl item with different stat 😄

[balmy condor]

unlucky, don't recraft your legendary because of that though

[neat cairn]

Yeah just wait

I just keep the higher ilvl stuff in my bags for bag spec

[granite lance]

i could just switch to zoldyck i guess

[neat cairn]

Sim it

[granite lance]

i did

[neat cairn]

What's the ilvl gloves you're wearing?

[granite lance]

ok so

225 doomblade gloves atm, 223 is being offered by the vault

[pearl goblet]

guys whats the best leg for assa pvp? 😄 rbgs mostly

[granite lance]

If I take the highest simming alternative, it's +0.9% DPS (ew)

[neat cairn]

so the gloves are the only thing in your vault? you can have a dud week

[granite lance]

but if I take the 223 gloves and switch to my 190 zoldyck legs, it's -0.5% DPS but then I can just level up my zoldyck

[neat cairn]

I can't tell you how many times I got the same belt from CN in one week

[stoic needle]

? +.9% dps is huge

[granite lance]

oh yeah don't get me wrong i'm aware some weeks can just be useless

I'm just seeing if I can make something out of it

[velvet nacelle]

@neat cairn i've gotten the belt off mythic huntsman every kill and the past 2 weeks in the great vault

[crystal blaze]

be me > 10/10 MM rogue with full vault every week, still locked with double 220 dagger, decide to gear my ww, first vault boosting by guildmates at 185 ilvl > 226 weapon

[sacred yarrow]

Swap to zold ez

[granite lance]

0.9% is something, but lets be real here it's not huge

[stoic needle]

Um yes it is

[neat cairn]

Yeah I got the same fucking belt on mythic 3 times in one week (drop, vault, drop again) and then from the heroic cache

[stoic needle]

Most gear upgrades are less than .5%

[neat cairn]

But yeah, no, don't recraft Doomblade

Just make a Zoldyck's

[stoic needle]

He has both already

[granite lance]

a'ight i'll just shift over, thanks guys

[neat cairn]

Upgrade then

[stoic needle]

Just keep using your doomblade man. Forget about the gloves. Time another +12 this week m+ is easy

[neat cairn]

Go with the option you feel is best that isn't recrafting a legendary to a different slot

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is better for m+ though especially for fortified

[neat cairn]

Because next week you might get an upgrade for that slot and you'd be like "well.. man"

[stoic needle]

Also you can upgrade gear with valor in any slot

[granite lance]

yeah, i'll just take the highest ilvl thing and roll with it

[neat cairn]

play around a bit and all that

Otherwise.. having a dud vault is pretty normal

[flint snow]

was there some additional buff to shadowgrasp totem ( even after 9.0.5)? It's simming as one of the top trinkets all of a sudden for me

[stoic needle]

You cld take the gloves to use with your zoldyck legs, that is valid

[granite lance]

yeah that's what i've done

[balmy condor]

it wasn't hasted in sims, now it is

[flint snow]

oh ok, cool thanks

[strange python]

so i got a dreadfire in my vault

[neat cairn]

[granite lance]

just switched over to druid, that also only got drops for the legendary slot wew

[strange python]

and i have made a mutilate macro so the muti i do in stealth procs the trinket

i was wondering how you guys felt about that

the trinket doesnt benefit from vendetta does it

[neat cairn]

hmmm

[wide bolt]

id just put it on a seperate bind and follow flag rules for it

"use on cd unless your only getting one more cast then line up with vendetta"

but idk if it benefits from vendetta so 🤷

[balmy condor]

trinkets don't benefit from anything

[neat cairn]

If we go by the wording on Vendetta then nope

[stoic needle]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/31cce64c85796eb42ff1fe8a7544c372661d37a5

[mossy python]

Can we sim chest item before to chose one ?

[drowsy coral]

Hey guys, what's the reason behind EP/Subterfuge(or MA)/Vigor on Huntsman MM in the logs ? Too much energy regen which makes Blindside useless and vigor must have ?

[neat cairn]

If it's by logs and not sims then probably preference

[balmy condor]

open your vault, then /simc with it open

[balmy condor]

it does more damage

[wide bolt]

so much energy means you can have EP up the whole time on huntsman if you maintain your bleeds

at least like 80% iirc from my best parse on that fight

[balmy condor]

when you have 2 target sustain, subterfuge and EP wins

that's literally just it

[wide bolt]

meaning youre almost always just doing 10% more dmg

[mossy python]

Thanks

[drowsy coral]

Mmh interesting, I would've not put subterfuge ahead of MA on two target

guess garotte is really sick then

[wide bolt]

yea garrote blasts

with subt

[neat cairn]

Garrote is great

Just have to hit the targets fast

[frigid cipher]

Hey, guys do you know if I can sim items with higher ilvl than I have? to basically check how the vault fares against some items I can valor upgrade?

[neat cairn]

You should be able to

[wide bolt]

some gear compare on raidbots should do it

[balmy condor]

droptimizer

just droptimizer

at 220

[lean coral]

You can use droptimizer for 220 gear

[frigid cipher]

thanks, will try 🙂

[neat cairn]

I will say I feel like myself playing rogue again

It just felt so baaaaad in beta

But glad it's doing better now

My guild is a little happy too

[mossy python]

I play with the 5% dmgs on envenom legendary. Is it the best for raid and mm+ ? Or zoldick or 100% crit is still better ?

[lean coral]

Wait how good is totem simming for people now o.o

[balmy condor]

zold in m+

[balmy condor]

IQD level

[lean coral]

Fuck

So it's actually really good

[stoic needle]

Damn wtf

[balmy condor]

it's a fucking pain to use

just don't use it

[drowsy coral]

Would you also go for CT with EP/subt/vigor on huntsman ? Is it a matter of preference/skill level (since it adds extra micro management) ?

[balmy condor]

yes

you would go CT

sin is incredibly easy already

just play CT

it's not that scary

[drowsy coral]

Thanks Whispyr, always so helpful

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

How is it a pain? Don't you just put it down at the beginning of a pack and it switches targets when you switch and you get cdr when things die?

[balmy condor]

it only lasts 15 seconds

[stoic needle]

So maybe towards the middle then when small things start dying

[balmy condor]

yeh it's just yucky

[mossy python]

Frome hiw many target you start to use CT ?

[balmy condor]

1

[mossy python]

How many*

You always use CT ?

[balmy condor]

if you have CT talented, you use it single target like rupture

maintain out of shiv

[neat cairn]

I am super curious now how CT could sim ST for me

brb

[mossy python]

I use CT only on mm+ and on kaelthas

[balmy condor]

probably awful

[neat cairn]

so is my gear

[balmy condor]

that won't help

CT single target isn't a thing

PB is just passive

and free

and doesn't cost CP

[neat cairn]

I uhhh

[ebon thorn]

zold on slg?

[neat cairn]

I had a WeakAura back in Legion that is broken now and idk how to fix it that tracked Poison Bomb (it was surprisingly super difficult to get to work but we managed it)

[balmy condor]

yeh

[neat cairn]

That played Toxic by Britney Spears

Best thing ever

LOL

It was my first WA because my raid was nagging me to use it and I was like "Only if someone makes me one for PB with Britney"

[next junco]

hey you probs get this all the time but what is a the ballpark of stats to aim for? i have 483 crit/872 haste is that roughly right?

[balmy condor]

the ones that sim highest

[neat cairn]

only a 50 DPS difference

(for me, not the stat talk)

[mossy python]

Haste > crit > versa ?

[balmy condor]

vers is still very good, but generally, yes

I hate the X>Y>Z shit

[lean coral]

Just sim

[balmy condor]

cause it changes based on your gear

[mossy python]

Sorry x)

Yeah ofc

Sry im just starting to optimize my rogue ...

[neat cairn]

I mean Agil above all

but if it's just secondaries at this point

[ebon thorn]

bring back the bfa arms warrior where you stack as much haste as possible

[balmy condor]

just keep simming

[tired condor]

Quick bit of advice , in my chest I have 213 anima spherule or stitchflesh scalpel at 226. Stupid question but I go for the higher I level even tho it has worse stats right ? Bare in mind both my weapons for sin currently need an upgrade

[lean coral]

Sim

But it's probably gonna be the 226 weap

[balmy condor]

you would take ilvl, yes

[next junco]

for aoe more crit? or stay same stats?

[final star]

I was about to ask the same actually, since I've just been going haste>crit=vers>mastery for aoe

But I suppose mastery gains loads of value in aoe

[lament dove]

yes, at least with zoldyck

[final star]

MA crit obviously loses some value

But not as much as outlaw

[balmy condor]

haste drops slightly, crit mast gains

[final star]

I use MA on outlaw mastery even becomes better for me 😂

I'll just continue running MA with haste/vers gear that I have

Cba farming more mastery gear

[fallow otter]

@balmy condor did you achieve boobs

[balmy condor]

I did

[fallow otter]

Victoryyyyyy

[cold sparrow]

Do you guys apply garrote when vendettea s coming up even if it has like 14s left? Or just apply it during vendetta because its still a cp builder?

[tender folio]

Guys that Toxin trink, does it scales with Zoldy ?

[balmy condor]

you refresh garrote like normal

[balmy condor]

trinkets do not interact with spec abilities

[tender folio]

Shame

[cold sparrow]

Ty 🙏

[compact pumice]

Well some do, like dreadfire vessel damage done by a fire mage is very much higher than a rogue for example

[edgy notch]

i ve got a question on sire mythic p3 (im using vendetta instantly on the start): is it better to shiv on cooldown and delay my 2nd Vendetta vanish to where shiv is ready again (with this option i m loosing out on hero) or do i delay my 4th shiv to pair it with vendetta-vanish and ca. 10 sek hero remaining?

[balmy condor]

you delay shiv for vend

[edgy notch]

nice thanks dude

if there isnt hero should i delay shiv too or shiv on cd (for another fight)?

[balmy condor]

you delay shiv by 12 seconds to sync with vend

hero or no hero

[edgy notch]

ok nice thanks

[turbid frigate]

Hey guys, should i trust this sim? Out of all my thinkets shadowgrasp totem is simming the best. It's kinda weird cuz i assumed that this trinket was garbage but apparently not. Do i trust this?

[limber lion]

Wait where do you hero if it's during your second vendetta?

[subtle tundra]

instead of showing a screenshot its always better linking the sim

[turbid frigate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xzvJRBJEVajGRzXX4qxyz6

[edgy dune]

guys...

I dont understand how you garrote 3-4 diff target

there's a big pause...it has a 5 sec CD

[verbal mantle]

with Subterfuge

talented

[vestal wren]

^

[edgy dune]

I'm using subterfuge

[limber lion]

You do it from stealth

[edgy dune]

I"m on the dummies

[digital orchid]

guys is better make secondary stats like haste > all or just goin on simm? coz crit for me simming more than haste :x

[limber lion]

You do 4 garrotes in a row from stealth

[edgy dune]

but attacking breaks stealth after the first arget

[verbal mantle]

stealth > garrote tab gar tab gar

[limber lion]

Yes and you have 3s to apply garrotes

Read what Subterfuge does

[vestal wren]

you shouldn't have issues unless blizz fucked up in the update

[limber lion]

No, it's fine.

[edgy notch]

meele phase heroes at round about 8:30 so when i start with vendetta at 6:51 and then use vendetta on cd i get a bit of left over hero

[edgy dune]

ohhhh 3 seconds

[limber lion]

So you're saying that you're delaying your second Vendetta for 4 minutes?

My boy

You're losing out on 2 Vendetta's at that point.

[edgy notch]

no

[limber lion]

At least Vendetta one of the adds in P2.

You just said that

[edgy dune]

ok so I gotta be fast...

[limber lion]

"first Vendetta on opener, second 6:51"

[edgy dune]

So I stealth...then I get 3 garrotes in...then what?

[limber lion]

Normally you'd Vendetta on opener and around 3:50 for the second add in P3

[edgy notch]

yes and then 2nd at 8:51

[limber lion]

That's the 4th one.

[edgy notch]

i talkin about p3

[limber lion]

These are the normal Vendetta timers:
0 - 3:50 - 6:45 - 8:45

[limber lion]

Ah so you are talking about the 4th Vendetta, not the second one.

[edgy notch]

yeah^^

[limber lion]

Because you specified earlier that you use Vendetta on opener and second one in p3

Alright.

[dense aspen]

He said mythic sire P3 to begin with iirc

[limber lion]

Just use Vendetta on cooldown, don't delay it.

[edgy notch]

yeah was talking about 1st and 2nd vendetta in p3

[limber lion]

Delay Shiv instead.

Yeh fair enough.

[edgy dune]

so guys, lets say I have 3-4 targets...I have slice n dice up, I'm stealthed....so I get 3-4 garrotes in...then whats next?

[limber lion]

On 3 targets:
gar - gar - gar - fok - ct --- After this you Mutilate and apply Ruptures to all 3 targets, making sure to keep use Garrote when the empowered garrote drops and keeping CT up at all times.

On 4 targets:
gar - gar - gar - gar - ct --- Same as above, except you use FoK as your generator and not Mutilate.

[edgy dune]

ct?

[limber lion]

Crimson Tempest

[edgy dune]

oh right right

mulilate and not FOK?

[limber lion]

Yes. On 3 targets you use Mutilate, but on 4 targets you use FoK

[edgy dune]

ugh how do you count that so fast

while staying out of shit to avoid dmg

your first garrote is the empowered garrote?

[limber lion]

The first 3 that you do are when using Subterfuge.

[crude wedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

You don't want to apply a normal garrote on top of an empowered one.

[edgy dune]

and my poisons for mythic..deadly and..numbing?

[limber lion]

Deadly and Crippling usually to help the tank kite.

[edgy dune]

ok so stealth...garrote 4 targets...FOT...do I wait until I have full combos to let CT go?

[limber lion]

When you garrote 4 targets you already have 4 out of 5 combo points, so you don't use FoK there.

You use CT when you have 4 or 5 combo points with Vigor/MFD and only 5-6 with DS.

[edgy dune]

yah I'm at the dummies with 3 in Adrenweald

[north basin]

Is there any weakaura or addon which count time stamps and notify me with sound, like when - its 3.20 minute mark, time to vendetta

[edgy dune]

I need more dummies

[balmy condor]

I highly advise not doing that

[limber lion]

That's fine, learn your 3 man rotation first. After you get that perfected, go into m+ and try it out there.

It'll be a lot different when you start adding moving mobs, mechanics etc. to it

[north basin]

It doesnt mean i will press vendetta, it will just help me with general timings of fight, i think

[final star]

@north basin can get a simple timer and then add conditions to play sound after x time has passed

[limber lion]

There are weak auras that track the fight duration.

Also addons.

[north basin]

Have names of auras and addon?

[limber lion]

But after you get comfortable with the fight, you pretty much learn where you Vendetta without having to look at the timer.

[reef axle]

do healers hate us for taking first hungering sucky ability? to cloak the other 2?

[edgy dune]

I added you as a friend on DC Ceverion, thank you

[limber lion]

[edgy dune]

are you a fully geared ass rogue?

[final star]

Hehe ass

[limber lion]

Don't have 233 weapons or 226 trinkets, otherwise yes.

[edgy dune]

horde or alliance

[limber lion]

Horde

[edgy dune]

yesss

maybe run a few low level mythics sometime?

or pvp?

I have a TOP mythic 6

[limber lion]

Do cloak the first Consume, but do not tank them without cloak ever.

[final star]

[limber lion]

If you don't have cloak, just run with your team

[reef axle]

heals boss though?

[queen breach]

what is the best legendary for this spec?

[final star]

How long is a piece of string sir

[queen breach]

doomblade or zudiak?

[final star]

Both

[queen breach]

thnx

[limber lion]

Doesn't heal that much tbh.

[final star]

@limber lion have you been trying more MA NS shenanigans

[limber lion]

Not this week yet. Will do when I have the time to do M+ :p

[final star]

I found myself doing more as assassination this week

So defo gonna be swapping between for tyrannical/fortified

[compact pumice]

Does the APL sim correctly for MA NS in DSlice? Or even 5x Patchwerks

[limber lion]

No.

[compact pumice]

So how about anecdotally?

Does more dps overall that way or just more fun or what?

[final star]

It is roughly equal in my experience

In actual practice

[limber lion]

It's hard to say yet.

But it seems to work pretty well

I did a DoS 15 and did 7.5k overall and a HoA 16 and did 7k overall with it

[final star]

I did 6.5k overall in a 15 mists, but that's at 221

[manic igloo]

so Theotar or Nadjia for m+?

[limber lion]

Yeah, the sim uses MFD pre-pull on SnD even on 5 targets but you'd want to use MFD CT as your opener.

[final star]

Yeah it's undersimming for sure

[limber lion]

Theotar generally with Wasteland, benefits your whole team more.

[manic igloo]

ok so lashing scars as the only potency?

[limber lion]

Yeah the sim doesn't really know how to play with MA + NS/MFD

[limber lion]

Yes

[final star]

With a fire mage, assassination rogue and an mm hunter

The first pack after pride got annihilated

[runic sequoia]

Hey fellow assassins, I got a question, kinda stuck, Which legendary would you recommend to upgrade first? Doomblade or Zoldyks?

I both raid and m+

[burnt latch]

If u spend more time and care more about m+ go for zold if u raid more and care more about raid go for doomblade

[final star]

I use MA in m+ so I'd personally do doomblade

[burnt latch]

Doom is not horrible for m+ and zolds is not horrible for raid so u cant really go wrong with either

[final star]

It's a personal preference choice

[burnt latch]

Idd

[runic sequoia]

Aight, thanks for the answers 🙂

[charred wraith]

Is it ok that sudden fractures sim better than any other potency as heirmir with gemstones?

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[oblique tulip]

hey, can you cloak massacre on sire ? as far as i know its physical dmg ? but i have seen rogues use cloak and take 0 dmg during 3rd soaks on mythic

[limber lion]

Massacre is shadow damage. Yes you can cloak it. It's pretty 🍝 on mythic P3 though, wouldn't rely on it there.

[oblique tulip]

i am mostly trying to understand how to play overlap where melee usually immune and bait massacre while standing in shit

[gloomy fern]

you cant cloak massacre sire p3

it oneshots u

[limber lion]

There are some instances where people have managed to cloak it.

Like I said, it's very 🍝

[gloomy fern]

i dont believe

no trust

[limber lion]

Could be that it's the first second of cloak

Where you have "a brief immunity"

Koji linked a few logs here where people did it.

[gloomy fern]

well its easy to dodge

[limber lion]

Sorry, a "moment of magic immunity".

[gloomy fern]

first one you just run out of, second one u shadowstep someone who dont get affected by "suck in"

use ur cloak for blood price 1 + 3 to help ur healers imo

tanks get slapped p3

[queen breach]

if i get from world boss some memory the next memory have lower chance?

[gloomy fern]

memories are 100% droprate except from mythic dungeons but that got reworked so maybe that is also 100% now not sure

[queen breach]

so if im lf doomblade its not reduce my chance for him?

[gloomy fern]

doomblade is 100% droprate if u finish mortegar thorgast

[queen breach]

thnx man

[gloomy fern]

if that wing isnt up now u can play first 6 floors in twisting corridors

reset it until mortegar comes

[compact pumice]

You can also spend some Grateful Offerings to get legendaries you don’t have

[raven granite]

I play outlaw in M+(celerity) and sin in pvp/raids (doomblade). Which leggo should I get next?

[limber lion]

MA, bis for Outlaw in M+ and very good for Assa

[raven granite]

I was thinking either MA, DS or the one with the vanish cd for pvp. But MA could be awesome for outlaw with the RB.

[royal lantern]

@stoic needle 7th week in a row anima btw 🙂

fuck me

who needs 223 weapons anyway

[gloomy fern]

why would you want a 223 wep

[hexed mesa]

Do you guys use that sequence addon or whatever for ambush/CT or do you just move the spells back and forth depending on what you're using like I am doing lol

[gloomy fern]

what

[royal lantern]

all the cool kidz where like me and had a 213 weapon on both slots, and then needed 34 m+ runs too get a single weapon drop for a 220 weapon

[balmy condor]

in english please?

[gloomy fern]

why would u not aim for a 226 at least

why settle for less

[royal lantern]

i always mix up 226 and 223

smh

im a big dumb dumb, just ask whispr lmao

[balmy condor]

don't drag me into your mess

[royal lantern]

YOU CANT STOP ME

https://tenor.com/view/mono-gif-18377629

[raven granite]

Sin with MA has to use MfD right?

[limber lion]

Doesn't have to but it's recommended.

[grim tree]

Zoldyck is good legendary for m+?

[balmy condor]

yes

MA and Zold are the 2 main choices

[grim tree]

Ok

Stats biss for m+? Haste crit?

[frosty cedar]

Haste lowest for Apr araik

Afaik

Crit highest

[prisma perch]

So I need help

[balmy condor]

haste crit is good

[prisma perch]

I have the BiS legs in vault on 226 and the signet 207 with socket

[balmy condor]

mastery is decent as well

[balmy condor]

which one sims highest

[balmy condor]

also if you choose the ring

probably really wrong

but what sims highest

[prisma perch]

cant compare since its 207

[vestal wren]

whats worse, you mixing up 226 and 223 or me still refering to black powder as vault

[balmy condor]

huh?

just top gear it

[prisma perch]

I am simming but I mean the ilv diff is huge

[balmy condor]

yeah

[prisma perch]

I would naturally up the ring to 220

[balmy condor]

which is why the ring probably sucks

that's not even a good ring

[prisma perch]

but I cant sim the sim on max ilv

[balmy condor]

so

gear compare

or droptimizer

[strange python]

Where is the current best sim opener listed

Sorry I’m struggling finding it

[balmy condor]

no where

I guess you could just sim yourself in a quick sim and use that

but I would just stop worrying about openers

[strange python]

I do not understand this

There has to be a general theory on best usage of abilities to get everything up and cds used in the most efficient way

[gusty mirage]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gusty mirage]

IV and Wowhead ones are good

[balmy condor]

Yeh, bleeds, then cooldowns, then shiv, and then rotation

That’s the theory

[strange python]

Ok I’ll read through those

[gusty mirage]

Idk if the RH has been updated yet, afaik weak was having issues logging into the site a while back

[balmy condor]

Nah he can get back in

[gusty mirage]

There ya go, any of those

[mossy crown]

Am I right in thinking stat prio is same for both ST and M+?

[balmy condor]

Similar yeh

Mastery/crit gains a little

Haste loses a Little

[prisma perch]

its so fckd up my 221 dh sims only 200dps more than my 210 assa lmao

[mossy crown]

ok, just been running sims and couldn't really understand why for dungeoncleave is was suggestion 27% crit, 20% haste, 22% mastery. makes sense now I guess

[clever vapor]

Oh man, did blizzard remove the ability to play with the dreadblades on daggers? I logged in and my dagger's transmog was reset to original

[balmy condor]

If you were here 2 months ago, we were complaining that our 220 characters were simming worse than a 210 anything

[balmy condor]

#transmog

[clever vapor]

Oh sorry!

[prisma perch]

Sadge

[balmy condor]

Probably cause that’s your best setup

[severe citrus]

is doomblade worth crafting ?

[gusty mirage]

I remember when my 206 monk was doing more damage than my 223 rogue

[balmy condor]

If you raid, yes

[severe citrus]

what stats do u recommend?

[balmy condor]

Haste crit

[gusty mirage]

Crit haste probably

[prisma perch]

Can you help me ? dont rlly get this sim compare https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hPV8FrXNoXf5nqedbwegQC

[balmy condor]

Aight so a 220 of that ring is 100ish dps

How much did the legs sim for

[drowsy coral]

Should CT be at 100% uptime on 2 target cleave ? This must've been answered somewhere but i can't find it

[balmy condor]

Yes

[clever vapor]

Do you drop CT on 1 target? A couple of days ago some people were talking how it should be used even on 1 target.

[gusty mirage]

If you’re talented into it, you use CT outside shiv windows

[prisma perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mZg72bPv3xGfKZcirdS5LA

[mossy crown]

dungeonslice is best for m+ yeah?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[drowsy coral]

So theoritically, on huntsman you garott both in the open, normal opener on Huntsman, then rupture CT maintained on both right ?

[balmy condor]

Aight so legs are 80 dps, ring at 220 is 100 dps

100 > 80, so if you’re gonna upgrade that ring, take the ring

[prisma perch]

i simmed the ring at 226

[balmy condor]

Why

You don’t have the ring at 226

[prisma perch]

couldnt get it low wait i try

[gloomy fern]

wow this is the rogue who got a mage and boomie doing 10k dps with him in dungs spamming ct in 6 second windows for burst

big dps

[balmy condor]

This channel is devolving

[gloomy fern]

he was clowning in here yday

[balmy condor]

I have no idea what’s going on anymore

[plain thistle]

[prisma perch]

no i was not lol dont get in the way now i am working

[limber lion]

Oh boy

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Does anyone have an idea

What the fuck is going on

[plain thistle]

[limpid blaze]

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Great

[gusty mirage]

We’ve devolved from memeing with help sprinkled in, to whatever this is

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna make myself a midnight snack

At 5:30 in the morning

[severe citrus]

lmao what are you doing in a rogue discord at 5:30 am

[balmy condor]

Have you met me

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr’s always here

[severe citrus]

why

[limpid blaze]

[limber lion]

Sounds great. I ate lunch at 6pm as well, rocking those sleep schedules

[balmy condor]

Hello

I am whispyr

I live here

I have like 125k messages in here

And my name sparkles

[gusty mirage]

I don’t want to go to work

[severe citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561394750326964224/624405279978815508/scary-1.gif

[limber lion]

What the fuck

[balmy condor]

[alpine garden]

Its the newest member coming to ask about openings

[gusty mirage]

I need a parent

[balmy condor]

Is this what happens when I sleep

The fuck is wrong with you EU buffoons

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it gets kinda degenerate in here when you’re sleeping

[limber lion]

Tell me about it

[alpine garden]

Look we're just here having a strange great time

[prisma perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5vVVgL8Gc26kGRZxtP2bKv its a little less

[balmy condor]

Unsurprisingly so

[prisma perch]

3 dps diffrence

[balmy condor]

Turns out removing 6 ilvl on a ring is a dps down

[limber lion]

Why are you using droptimizer for that

[prisma perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mZg72bPv3xGfKZcirdS5LA

[limber lion]

I mean you do you

[prisma perch]

3 dps lol

[alpine garden]

This news will rock the Rogue community

[balmy condor]

I think I should soak this bread in jack Daniels first

[gusty mirage]

Get outta here

[balmy condor]

I’m not making it

[alpine garden]

Its the only solution

[prisma perch]

its the same outcome

[limber lion]

Good night sensei

[formal cliff]

So my guild is currently progressing through heroic from a late start. I’ve maimed a WW monk through all the bullshit but something has been getting under my skin recently.

My guildie is currently playing a balance Druid and constantly likes to banter with me and the guild that he’s top dps. Well I wanna put an end to that. What class do you suggest I switch to secretly to beat him in dps throughout castle nathria? Any insight is great.

TL:DR... help me beat the shit out of a chicken.

[prisma perch]

they sim same so would the ring be better ?

[gloomy fern]

@prisma perch im curious, yesterday u said packs died in 6s while doing +14 keys and u have done 3 and barely 2 in time

[balmy condor]

Have you tried a boomy

Or perhaps

[gloomy fern]

are u actually delusional or what

[limber lion]

Play a Boomie but better than him

[balmy condor]

A boomy

[thorn plover]

Lmao

[formal cliff]

Let me clarify. I wanna beat his ass on single target.

[gusty mirage]

Reroll affi lock maybe? Idk, rogue won’t beat boomies outside of like 3 fights in the raid

[prisma perch]

its my fcking weekly with my mates i told u this is an alt how often do i have to repeat that

[alpine garden]

Play a boomy but mog yourself to look like a rogue

[gloomy fern]

ye but ur question and arguments was packs die in 6s and u cant get up dots

u dont barely time keys then

[limber lion]

Play SP if that's all you care about.

[gloomy fern]

so i dont think u have a great understanding of time

[prisma perch]

ya bcs my friends burst them down too fast

[gloomy fern]

how are u barely timing keys then

[ebon thorn]

yoo zoldyck vs doomblade for m+ low keys(15s~) ?

[gloomy fern]

if shit dies that fast

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Zoldyck

[prisma perch]

bcs i got my weekly keys there man they geared my alt

[formal cliff]

Idk I’m looking at logs and assassin pumps more on a lot of fights

[gloomy fern]

i basically get up dots on all trashpacks in +14 wit hfull 227 groups

[prisma perch]

and ct spam got me more aoe thats it

[gloomy fern]

still a clown i see

[limber lion]

Well play Assa then?

[prisma perch]

maybe in fortified trash dies quickly in only tyrannical

[alpine garden]

Suggesting playing sin in the sin channel, radical thoughts

[gusty mirage]

Those logs getting fed PIs?

[limber lion]

[ebon thorn]

about to make my 5th leggo on rogue

po

g

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yes

[formal cliff]

I’ll have to check again.

[alpine garden]

Why does it have the ilevel twice?

[severe citrus]

why does doomblade go on hands

[gusty mirage]

Cuz slg shoulders on mythic are 233

[alpine garden]

Because SLG shoulders

[limber lion]

Because of M SLG shoulders. Doesn't matter if you don't have em

Or have a chance at them

[gusty mirage]

So option at 233 shoulders > max non leggo gloves = 226

[severe citrus]

hmm

i see

[gusty mirage]

If you don’t mythic raid or don’t think you’ll kill SLG, craft them in your lowest ilvl slot

[limber lion]

Just use whichever is a bigger upgrade for you.

[balmy condor]

In the time it took me to make a sandwich we went from incoherent screaming to pi logs to pinned question

[alpine garden]

Craft both, equip accordingly

[balmy condor]

That’s what we like to see

Back to normal

[ebon thorn]

im stuck with badly statted MA 190 ilvl pog

[limber lion]

Join the gang

[gusty mirage]

Just press your buttons harder to make up for the wrong stats

[ebon thorn]

so i have 235 cel, 235 MA, 190 MA, 210 Doomblade, and about to make 190 zoldyck

[alpine garden]

Go through the keyboard

Why do you have a 235 ma and a 190 ma?

[gusty mirage]

I thought I was the only clown with 2 different MAs

[alpine garden]

What went wrong?

[balmy condor]

Wrong stats on a legendary, 5 dps loss in sims, 3000 dps loss in mental

[limber lion]

Just disenchant your 190 MA to get soul ash back

[limber lion]

Jk you can't do that.

[balmy condor]

You recrafted

[ebon thorn]

yes

[gusty mirage]

True, I knew that’s why I’ve been struggling. It’s those damn secondary stats

[balmy condor]

Because of ONE STAT

[ebon thorn]

if i had 235 MA mastery vers on my outlaw rogue it would look silly haha :P

[alpine garden]

All the other rogues would mock you

Unlike what is happening now

[balmy condor]

Not any more silly than you do right now telling me you’d rather waste ash

[gusty mirage]

tbh so did I got 225 vers/mastery for pvp and 235 haste/vers for outlol/sin

[ebon thorn]

they already do cuz of my name haha

[lean coral]

Just delete all evidence

[limber lion]

Boys

[gusty mirage]

But I was (and currently am) sitting on a bunch of soul ash

[gloomy fern]

ash for a 190 is nothing if u done thorgast every week

[ebon thorn]

haha

i dont do torghast

every week

[alpine garden]

I had a badly statted MA ring, you know what I did? I stopped using MA like a pleb and went for big Zoldyck damage

[ebon thorn]

i have 3 chars i try to maintain and if i did maw and torghast id fucking off myself

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

STOP WORRYING ABOUT THE SECONDARIES ON A SINGLE ITEM PLEASE I BEG YOU I ONLY HAVE SO MANY BRAIN CELLS LEFT

[lean coral]

Torghast is like 10 minutes

[ebon thorn]

@balmy condor do i go mastery or haste

[alpine garden]

But whispyr there comes a point in every expansion when that's all we have left

[gusty mirage]

Then recrafting the same leggo is even more confusing if you’re not sitting on a ton of ash

[sturdy mesa]

buuuut buuuuuut we if i swap 50 mastery with 50 haste i'll surely top the meters

[balmy condor]

Is this why EU can’t win world firsts anymore

I should’ve gone to bed

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

You all make me sad

[alpine garden]

Capitals

[surreal hawk]

[ebon thorn]

its done

now i dont have a badly statted

MA

fuck u all

[alpine garden]

Now delete the 210 as well and it'll be neat

[sturdy mesa]

"badly statted"

[ebon thorn]

210 doomblade

😡

[gusty mirage]

I think you have to delete your rogue now, you’ve upset whispyr

[alpine garden]

Yeah but it's so inadequate next to the two 235s

[gusty mirage]

And it demands something big

[ebon thorn]

who's Whispyr even

[alpine garden]

He who demands sacrifice

[balmy condor]

Somehow, me standing in my kitchen, in the dark, shoving bread into my face, at 5:30 in the morning

[ebon thorn]

sounds like someone who stacks versa

[balmy condor]

Is not the saddest thing here

[lean coral]

Loves answering pinned questions

Why they keep doing it

[gusty mirage]

It never was sir

[limber lion]

It's okay Whispyr, we'll be just fine. Just go to sleep it'll be back to normal when you wake up. Surely.

[ebon thorn]

[limber lion]

When we EU frogs go to bed, it'll be all nice and quiet in here

[balmy condor]

Maybe I just shift my sleep schedule to EU time zone

[lean coral]

Btw for totem trinket does it follow your target when original one dies

Or does it yolo target

[balmy condor]

To keep an eye on you fucks

[gusty mirage]

I’m just going to assume this is a byproduct of a 16 year old drinking age and go on with my day

[limber lion]

You're not far off atm

[balmy condor]

I think it yolo’s

[limber lion]

6 more hours and you're gucci

[raven granite]

Whispyr is the single mom/dad and the chat is the kids. 👀

[gusty mirage]

I think the word that confuses me most here is your use of “schedule” as if you’re able to plan your sleep

[balmy condor]

I mean, I’m up for my classes

I schedule well enough to be where I need to be when I need to be there

[gusty mirage]

Fair

[raven granite]

Also since it has been 1 minute since last answered pinned question, I got one too, if I apply dots then vanish, for the duration of stealth do bleeds crit?

[gusty mirage]

Only if you sacrifice your newborn to the master assassin

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lean coral]

guess i go farm one out

[gloomy fern]

maybe aim for iqd which is the better one then

[gusty mirage]

Wat

[lean coral]

i have trust issues with iqd

[balmy condor]

But if you’re about to ask if you should wear the MA lego, vanish, and then sit there and wait for things to tick

[raven granite]

Don't have one, rip my rouge career

[balmy condor]

I will reach through the screen

And gouge your eyes out

With my fingernails

[gloomy fern]

ofc you go subterfuge garrote into vanish

into garrote

into shadow meld

wait until vanish is up

[gusty mirage]

Might as well delete your rogue now

[raven granite]

NO, I wasn't asking that 😰

[balmy condor]

Good

[lean coral]

how much valor are necklace ranks

[odd heath]

250

[strange python]

You should see how many sin rogues in pvp discord are in love with dotting and vanishing for crit dots

Drives me nuts

[lean coral]

thought rogues were just 1 shotting people with rotten atm

[strange python]

They also love that

[balmy condor]

We do not venture into the darkness my child

We stay in the safety of the light

[strange python]

It’s a real dark place to be sure

I shine as much light as I can

[sturdy mesa]

@balmy condor should i wear the MA lego, and after put up garrote, rupture, vanish and then sit there and wait for things to tick?

[strange python]

These guys like hey I’m 190 ilvl rogue why can’t I one shot with rotten like evis

[balmy condor]

I only go in there when I see shit hit the filter over and over

Or someone DM’s me like “hey dad pick me up all the kids at the birthday party are really mean”

[strange python]

Lol

[balmy condor]

And then I stumble into that god forsaken channel

[strange python]

It’s not bad most of the time tbh

[balmy condor]

And it’s just a shit show of 4 year olds screaming at each other

[strange python]

But when it gets bad it goes to hell in a hand basket

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Just say yes

[balmy condor]

There’s enough screenshots of me saying dumb shit

[strange python]

It’s what I do when some kid in pvp discord asks if they should use the rotten to 2k as a 175 ilvl rogue

Yep

[balmy condor]

I’m pretty sure @gusty mirage just has a folder

[strange python]

Math is an illusion

[balmy condor]

It’s true

Numbers aren’t real

[sturdy mesa]

Math is a social construct

[balmy condor]

Technically true

[strange python]

I actually read an article about that

Something something hierarchy something social construct something no objective truth and to close 2+2=4 is aiding the wealthy ruling class to subjugate

Idk

[raven granite]

Is this channel a low key math theory or functional programming channel?

[strange python]

I got dumber

No we only do high keys in this channel

Gotem!

[balmy condor]

....yes?

[strange python]

Im@pretty sure all of wow is a crash course in applied mathematics

[balmy condor]

Feels more like sheep herding 101

Or a daycare center