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#assassination
limber lion
noble siren
hey folks, i want to try assa for raid only, which legendary should I craft first, Doomblade or Zoldyck?
cunning wyvern
Doomblade for farm
arctic cloud
Doom
cunning wyvern
If you are trying it out you are probably doing that on farm ig
noble siren
on shoulders i suppose?
noble siren
i dont think ill get there
cunning wyvern
Then it probably wont matter that much
noble siren
cool, ty
cunning wyvern
Legs do have more agi though
limber lion
Ye, just craft whichever gives you a better upgrade.
viral meadow
can you immune chains on sludge as a rogue?
lavish stirrup
Is there a macro to use ambush if available (blind side or invi) and if not mutilate?
balmy condor
Is there a macro to use ambush if available (blind side or invi) and if not muti...
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
lavish stirrup
ty
half perch
do u guys use ambush in the opener? im new to rogue, but looked at guides and they didnt use ambush, which i find weird
plain thistle
solar hare
balmy condor
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
sacred flax
what soulbind do you guys use for m+?
noble siren
do i SBS on 2 cp or only on 3 cp in single target?
half perch
so when i play with Subterfuge, i just garrote and then go straight to mutilate
balmy condor
do i SBS on 2 cp or only on 3 cp in single target?
It replaces a mut
noble siren
It replaces a mut
thanks
half perch
when should I use Flagellation in the opener? together with vendetta?
fallen ginkgo
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
vital crown
Does fan of knives apply the phial proc as aoe?
stoic needle
Yes
vital crown
does it also work that way with other trinkets like hateful chain
sly sky
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
neat pulsar
we need more versa than crit ?
vital crown
i think versa and crit are about same
i think if you wanna pvp too then you should aim for a bit more versa than crit
stoic needle
In my sims crit is quite a bit more valuable than vers
neat pulsar
same
stoic needle
I'm venthyr though
neat pulsar
all guides say crit is better than versa, in ST and MT I think
slender berry
does it also work that way with other trinkets like hateful chain
No
neat pulsar
It was already the case for me when I was night fae
I was wondering, if my vendetta dmg increase on a dot work for the full dot duration, or only until vendetta ends ? Same question for haste buffs 😄
lofty knoll
guys noob rogue question, do we use finisher at 4 cp to not overcap or just go for the 5 cp anyway?
undone verge
guys noob rogue question, do we use finisher at 4 cp to not overcap or just go f...
Use at 4 cp
lofty knoll
thank you
lean rover
guys noob rogue question, do we use finisher at 4 cp to not overcap or just go f...
Or 5 if talented in deeper stratagème
dense bramble
i can only upgrade to a max 213 ilvl 😦
leaden garden
Is there anything I should keep in mind when using Flagellation? Or just on cd, when i have 4/5 CPs available?
limber lion
Is there anything I should keep in mind when using Flagellation? Or just on cd, ...
Yeh that's pretty much it
strange python
what soulbind do you guys use for m+?
nadija double potency
night breach
when the flagellation debuff is one global from expiring and you have like 3 cp, is it worth to just envenom for the stacks or no?
stoic needle
what soulbind do you guys use for m+?
Theotar with wasteland propriety
compact pumice
Wasteland sims really bad for me on dungeon slice
It basically want's me running dauntless tbh
shadow helm
limber lion
That's normal
leaden garden
I should always flagleattion before my first rupture right?
royal lantern
@stoic needle mate, playing sin in torghast rn with subterfuge
and it took me fking 15min too understand why garrote out of stealth with subt only gives me a 1cp
jesus
shrouded is a curse
undone verge
is it coincidental or is venthyr about a 10% dps increase?
comparing sin rogues on warcraftlogs, for each fight, venthyr comes out about 10% ahead of nf and necrolord
gleaming viper
!opener
limber lion
I should always flagleattion before my first rupture right?
Yes
royal lantern
is it coincidental or is venthyr about a 10% dps increase?
comparing sin rogues...
it isnt 10%
its better for pure st, wich is why you see it high in pure st logs
necrolord is more versatile
limber lion
is it coincidental or is venthyr about a 10% dps increase?
comparing sin rogues...
No, that's only because most of the performance oriented players chose Venthyr and are performing better because of it
opaque sparrow
can you kidney the attendent on council mythic?
lethal heart
it shouldnt be 10%
tulip nacelle
no
lethal heart
should be like 3%
max
in most cases comes down to preference when it comes to necro vs venthyr
stoic needle
shrouded is a curse
I don't know whether I should be glad or sad that I never experienced shrouded suffocation lmao
royal lantern
garrote->garrote->garrote->afk cus that will be 80% of your aoe dmg was PEAKGAMEPLAY
zenith yarrow
Should I hold Flagellation to pair it with Vendetta?
stoic needle
No
zenith yarrow
So I just use it on CD no matter what?
stoic needle
Except on sludgefist
You can try to sync it with the last vendetta of the fight if you won't get another, but it's not really worth the risk
Unless you're hardcore parse chasing and know your kill timers nearly exactly
zenith yarrow
alright ty
gusty mirage
I don't know whether I should be glad or sad that I never experienced shrouded s...
consider yourself blessed, unshrouded garrote makes you feel sad
3x garrote = full CP rupture 
bright elk
If playing MA legendary in M+ I assume we don't use subterfuge since we mutilate from stealth. So do we use nightstalker? Or do we fan of knives instead followed by CT?
compact pumice
With subter you don't mutilate from stealth
stoic needle
You can use subterfuge
But you can also use NS and MFD and MFD > CT from stealth and then fok rup fok rup
It's personal preference
Both talents are viable with MA
bright elk
Ty
winter vapor
so what is Subt rotation with MA legendary, just the usual Garrotex3 > FoK?
Subterfuge**
dim temple
Subterfuge**
when i use MA legendary Garrotex3 and temp it hits harder in Fok.. but its just me
limber lion
so what is Subt rotation with MA legendary, just the usual Garrotex3 > FoK?
Yeah just gar gar gar gar ct or gar gar gar rup mfd ct
winter vapor
thanks
quasi grotto
my haste is really low, and my energy regen is horrible and takes me a seriuolsly long time to to get my to my burst window
and by the time i get there im having to refresh bleeds, any advice? other than farming haste gear lol
slender trail
what’s your haste? it’s more likely you’re overspending than being energy blocked by haste. also go vigor if it’s truly bad.
sacred glacier
Does assasination have a slower pace than Outlaw? How difficult is it to learn?
thorny rose
it’s pretty straightforward imo you just keep bleeds up and spend the rest of your CPs on Envenom which refreshes SnD
But maybe those who play it at a high level will have different insight for you
sacred glacier
I won't be playing it at a high level since it is an alt. I'm just focusing on not being bad.
thank you for the help
limber lion
Does assasination have a slower pace than Outlaw? How difficult is it to learn?
Assassination is not very hard to learn. Sin does have a lot slower pace when compared to Outlaw, they are night and day in terms of APM.
sacred glacier
thank god
limber lion
and by the time i get there im having to refresh bleeds, any advice? other than ...
There are no stat breakpoints or necessary haste requirements you need to play the spec better. I'm guessing your opener is just flawed because normally you get to do the main part of your opener without having to refresh during it.
sacred glacier
I was too busy trying to keep track of cooldowns and combo points that I didn't have time to pay attention to the dungeon. I was essentially facerolling my keyboard.
Open world was easy because the damage was so high and I could choose the pulls. in a dungeon, whole different story
limber lion
I was too busy trying to keep track of cooldowns and combo points that I didn't ...
Assassin is a lot slower in terms of keeping track of cooldowns and whatnot, but as a thing to make it harder, you will have to track bleeds/poisons on several monsters at the same time.
It's a lot simpler in raid single target situations or boss situations in M+
But it can get pretty hectic in packs where you have to make sure you have 4-5 bleeds up at all times
And making sure you don't apply to long of a bleed on a mob that's just about to die.
But all of that comes with practice.
sacred glacier
my main is a priest so I'm somewhat used to that since I have to keep my DoTs up. getting used to it while in melee will be a trick though.
limber lion
my main is a priest so I'm somewhat used to that since I have to keep my DoTs up...
Yep for sure. Just gotta play a bunch and you'll get used to the flow.
polar gate
is it worth it so swap from night fae to venthyr for m+ mainly or is the difference not very big?
crude quarry
might be an obvious answer to this question, does the doomblade legendary get benefit from crimson tempest and the internal bleeding talent? if so is it even worthwhile to keep those up at all times or would it be best when flagelation/thrill seeker proc or using vendetta?
mint brook
is it worth it so swap from night fae to venthyr for m+ mainly or is the differe...
Not big enough to justify the swap, you can check pins for some basic simm results
harsh jasper
do you macro flag to anything?
native lynx
I have mine macros to vendetta, but I keep both bound so I can use vendetta when the cds dont line up
compact pumice
in the opener you should do flag > rup > vendetta so I don't bind them together
thorny rose
might be an obvious answer to this question, does the doomblade legendary get be...
I believe that when specced into crimson tempest we use it on ST outside of shiv. Not sure about internal bleeding and doom blade tho
wary barn
so most Assassin Rogues are running doomblade legendary?
quasi grotto
what’s your haste? it’s more likely you’re overspending than being energy blocke...
11% im having to pool to to rupture
then pool enough to shiv and get a double envenom
quasi grotto
There are no stat breakpoints or necessary haste requirements you need to play t...
definitely need to play it better, but i feel im forever pooling to hit my shiv windows
crude quarry
I believe that when specced into crimson tempest we use it on ST outside of shiv...
thanks. just didnt seem like there was enough time with the gcd to fully take advantage of internal bleeding and tempest for the extra damage
quasi grotto
perhaps this build isnt for me even thought it sims the highest
slender trail
perhaps this build isnt for me even thought it sims the highest
Could be. I think I started with your haste and was able to manage everything reasonably well but sim is a slower, more methodical experience, which maybe isn’t your thing. I practiced a lot on the target dummy though before I ever used it in practice.
chrome canopy
anybody think it would be worth it to swap from night elf to human for raiding dps purposes? will to survive also a nice bonus to have in certain fights
chrome canopy
might be an obvious answer to this question, does the doomblade legendary get be...
any bleed currently on the target at the time of envenom will increase its damage by 5%. this includes tempest, and internal bleeding. it will also include serrated bonespike if you're necrolord
dawn haven
I tend to like having 1% extra haste during my raid nights as a nelf tbh.
chrome canopy
isn't human a 2% increase to all secondary stats though?
dawn haven
2% to all sources.
So instead of getting 100 haste from something, you'll get 102.
Better at the end of the expac when stats are inflated, early on it's kinda meh tho.
chrome canopy
ah
jade marlin
With Venthyr being so strong, can you still be competitive with Night Fae?
thorny rose
yeah, we’re not fire mages where it’s 1 covenant or bust
drowsy snow
clever vapor
Hey fellas, in mythic+, on how many adds should I cast crimson tempest?
stiff mountain
u use it on ST afaik
clever vapor
Really?
quasi grotto
Could be. I think I started with your haste and was able to manage everything re...
yeah im practicing on the dummy, but even the opener its so slow for me to get going
quasi grotto
yeah im practicing on the dummy, but even the opener its so slow for me to get g...
how did you over come the low haste? just pool slightly after every cast?
clever vapor
Thanks for the tip!
quasi grotto
with the shiv window should i be mutilating twice? or just the once ( full points before shiv for the whole envenom sdtraight away )
soft shale
most of the time getting two 6 point envenoms with shiv is better than trying to get a 3rd one
as the chances are really low
leaden garden
What legendary is adviced to craft first for a fresh rogue? Asuming I do equal amount of raiding and m+
quasi grotto
What legendary is adviced to craft first for a fresh rogue? Asuming I do equal a...
from my understanding, theres only one leggo for ST
which will normally be raiding
soft shale
most solid for assa is zoldyck in general then doomblade for heavy ST
willow eagle
St sims for covenants are pinned
celest sail
o tru, the real question then is how much worse is necro with not-gemstones xd
nightfae is easy, outlaw gets korayn, muti gets niya
guess i could just stay nf, but people need venth classes like crazy in high keys
leaden garden
Is dashing scoundrel not a good option for both st and aoe (m+)?
willow eagle
Doomblade and zoldyck are simply better options
fervent beacon
from my understanding, theres only one leggo for ST
Zoldycks is just as good on ST due to execute for progress.
soft shale
it was a really strong tier overall in argus
leaden garden
Okay I will craft zoldrycks first then 🙂 thank you
stark oxide
!guide
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dense bramble
hi! on SLG should i vendetta and shiv on cd or should i save for anytime particular?
limber lion
hi! on SLG should i vendetta and shiv on cd or should i save for anytime particu...
On mythic or heroic?
dense bramble
heroic
limber lion
You want to use Vendetta on the bosses out of intermission phases.
If your group is really slow, you can use it on the Goliath in Intermission, but usually you get Vendetta back after the Goliath is dead
At that point you just hold it until Grashaal comes down
And then use it on him
limber lion
Good luck! 
plain moth
is elaborate planning better on sludgefist mythic than blindsight i see some people run it
limber lion
is elaborate planning better on sludgefist mythic than blindsight i see some peo...
Almost certainly. It's hard to say though.
If your group is struggling with the last 35% of the boss, then Blindside might be better. But for overall damage EP is probably better.
exotic pulsar
With deeper stratatem do you still envenom at 4-5 combopoints so you can get 3 in during a shiv or do you aim for 5-6 combo points where you are most likely just going to only get 2 envenoms unless ultra lucky on blindside procs?
dawn ivy
5-6
exotic pulsar
The guide states your goal is to get 3 envenoms during a shiv but I can only get two with deeper stratagem
which is why im asking
shy dust
The guide states your goal is to get 3 envenoms during a shiv but I can only get...
You finish at 5 or more
limber lion
The guide states your goal is to get 3 envenoms during a shiv but I can only get...
Which guide?
exotic pulsar
Icy
limber lion
It doesn't really matter honestly. Normally you get 2 envenom's in a Shiv window.
In the opener you should get 3.
And during your big cooldowns.
exotic pulsar
Under the "important notes" section of IV guide: "Try to refresh Rupture Icon Rupture and Slice and Dice Icon Slice and Dice before using Shiv Icon Shiv. The goal is to get three, 4-5 Combo Point Envenom Icon Envenoms inside the 9-second duration of Shiv Icon Shiv."
But ill just stick with 2 with DS
dawn ivy
also just a bit outdated as you shouldnt need to refressh SnD
exotic pulsar
Yep which is why I'm asking, hard to find current info.
compact pumice
You can only get 3 with significant haste and/or the extra energy from Vendetta
So if you get it during the opener CD popping stage it's doable
With bloodlust
exotic pulsar
Yeah I can squeeze them in with blust
limber lion
Yep which is why I'm asking, hard to find current info.
You get the most up to date info here in the RH discord.
dawn ivy
try simming your character and see the abilities it casts in the example, will have multiple shiv windows and you can see how many it gets
limber lion
But like said, you don't need to worry about getting 3 envenom's in a Shiv window outside of your big cooldowns/lust.
Just slam 2 envenoms without overlapping their pandemic timer
And you're gucci
exotic pulsar
I had never thought about overlapping pandemic
compact pumice
More important to not overcap energy as well, so don't wait too long if you were lucky with crits/blindside
compact pumice
we rollin dice now fellas
🎲
loud niche
otl is so bleh
pure tide
Which soul bind is best, venthyr for sin?
compact pumice
For ST generally Nadija Dauntless
pure tide
Ah so like outlaw
compact pumice
For me double potency sims better in Nadija for OL
round harbor
thats what im doing. double postency lashing/cto for outlaw for keys, then for raid lashing+ dauntless sin
makes it easy to switch between cause i just need a tome
instead of flying over to sinfall everytime
pure tide
You using Theo ?
round harbor
nadjia for both
pure tide
Oh damn
round harbor
kindred lava
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
pure tide
I felt like Theo was good for multis
sullen fossil
altimor?
noble siren
yeah
sullen fossil
Nah you can't
pure tide
Damn have I been using the wrong tree this whole time lol
tight ice
This is probably just a "personal choice" question but I've been raiding/M+ as assn .. numbers are okay in m+ like 4.2-4.5k overall for being 202.. I was wondering if it would be better for me to go outlaw for M+? (I do want to push higher keys eventually)
tight ice
okay, ty that's what i was thinking too
strange python
when im in stealth can they see my pet
thorny rose
like a companion pet? I don’t think so
strange python
i got bananans out while leveling
opal aurora
!opener
plain moth
@limber lion ty for your guidance we managed to kill it Poggies .. now back to outlaw prison :(
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> ty for your guidance we managed to kill it Poggies .. now...
Hell yeah!
clever vapor
Hey fellas, poison bomb sims higher for M+ but when I tried it, it did like 200k overall
Should I trust that sim?
limber lion
Hey fellas, poison bomb sims higher for M+ but when I tried it, it did like 200k...
Use CT in all M+ dungeons.
Regardless of affixes
lean rover
I think you did something wrong in your sim.
limber lion
You can use PB if you use the Dashing Scoundrel legendary
strange python
is there a bis list for assa?
limber lion
is there a bis list for assa?
No. Use Droptimizer and Top Gear in Raidbots.com to find upgrades for you.
dawn ivy
whats the main reason for using PB with dashing in m+?
it increases crit chance of PB? do those crits also generate an energy?
soft shale
yes it increases crits and it also gives energy
strange python
is zoldyck better on sludge?
shy dust
no
tame basin
Hey, what "non-lashing" for venthyr means?
thorny plover
For m+ is theotar better then nadja?
gusty mirage
Hey, what "non-lashing" for venthyr means?
playing wps instead of lashing scars
conduit
gusty mirage
turbid geyser
what do you guys think, doomblade leggo on hands or shoulders?
stoic needle
For m+ is theotar better then nadja?
Imo yes but nadjia can be good for tyrannical weeks
fleet anchor
it increases crit chance of PB? do those crits also generate an energy?
All of the above but also just lets you spend more CP on Envenom and have higher Envenom buff uptime + more damage in general
potent rune
@turbid geyser check the pins
strange python
is zoldycks even worth on sire
like how much of a dps increase is it over just doomblade
balmy condor
For p3 it’s a good 2-3%
balmy condor
It’s worse on sludge
fleet anchor
Zold is worth running on Sire if your guild is still struggling to get through P3. For follow-up kills if you want to just push the boss in general faster, Doomblade is fine
But you can still be top damage in P3 with Doomblade so it probably won't make too much difference unless your margins are really tight
midnight thistle
Can anyone tell me what I could be looking for in logs? Like what are the most common things that affect dps
sullen lintel
Whats the filter command to check Mythic Sire p3 dmg?
balmy condor
Can anyone tell me what I could be looking for in logs? Like what are the most c...
slice/rup/garrote uptime, shiv casts, energy/cp waste, ruptures during shiv
gloomy fern
no sire kill this reclear either, tilt level 📈
placid kite
at which number of targets do you spam CT instead of using Envenom?
balmy condor
infinite
placid kite
that's undefined
balmy condor
yeh
placid kite
so it's non deterministic?
balmy condor
you shouldn't just hard spam CT
placid kite
alright
placid kite
Well lucky for us we only have to test the numbers 2-8
for some reason i just thought about CT not being target capped, misconception of me
fleet anchor
Poison Bomb is not, but CT is yeah
burnt latch
@limber lion thanks for the tips on sludgefist, helped me get my overall dmg from 5.9k to 6.4k today on all pulls, and we managed to kill it too. Funnily enough the pull that we killed it on I played like trash, ill put that on the last pull of the night 😛
wet remnant
Zoldyck or Doomblade for sire prog?
balmy condor
zold
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> thanks for the tips on sludgefist, helped me get my overa...
Good stuff man! Glad to hear it
Actually killing the boss is #1 but a bigger number in the scoreboard is always nice and definitely helps. Good luck on further progression!
solar vortex
What's like... Soft target we wanna hit for haste/critical/Acc/vers for maximizing DPS in raid before any DR?
Didn't see this defined in Pins or anywhere. Just curious if anyone has seen major dps gains at different milestones
balmy condor
Didn't see this defined in Pins or anywhere. Just curious if anyone has seen maj...
really?
you didn't see the big bold letters
in all caps
heavy skiff
Poor whispyr is slowly dying inside
balmy condor
I don't make pins, people don't know
I make pins, people don't check them
People check them, but can't read
balmy condor
thorny rampart
how bad is assassin on council mythic prog?
balmy condor
great boss damage
lofty yarrow
We are all thankful for ur work :)
Agreed on that and your attitude is so pleasant aswell , keep it up whispyr
thorny rampart
do you have problems getting in melee range tho?
i feel that the hitbox on this one is particularly shitty
balmy condor
no, you just sit on the boss
balmy condor
Agreed on that and your attitude is so pleasant aswell , keep it up whispyr
I flame people a little too hard sometimes but thank you :)
gloomy fern
sin is one of the best council bosses if ur raid kill attendants for you
well still is
sleek junco
Since white damage is one of biggest portions of dmg, am I right in assuming that the higher the ilvl weap you have is going to make significant difference to dmg?
balmy condor
yes, but its important without white hits as well
main hand dps is used in damage calculations
sleek junco
Yeah cool, ty!
sullen pagoda
sullen pagoda
yep i know the feeling
at least @faint harness's guild had fun on my stream watching the clown fiesta 
strange python
If I run zold should I not run master assassin talents then
astral bluff
do i keep bleeds on all three at council?
astral bluff
on additional or on total?
faint harness
at least <@!153289634909126656>'s guild had fun on my stream watching the clown ...
they love misery of others
balmy condor
one additional
fleet anchor
sad times
If it makes you feel any better, earlier on our first kill night, we had someone disconnect on the final pie slice and was disconnected for 30 seconds and we had a 200k wipe 😄
Low% wipes are part of the Sire experience
strange python
Guess that explains why the execute damage is so needed
gloomy fern
well its the second or third week we didnt get sire for reclear
and we had 9 new characters compared to actual kill
when they obviously dont know how to play them properly
sullen pagoda
yep same theres a running meme of "cribs fault we didnt kill didnt log dk"
every night with no kill is cuz of crib dk not being there
faint harness
yea assa is so bad for sire 
dark crag
That's why I'm still on bench
Top dk and top shadow quit after kill
You don't want to see the dmg discrepancy from the shadow to 2nd place
hot stag
Is it not ok to do flag - vendetta - rup?
hot stag
Ohhh ok ok
balmy condor
you can move 2-3 things around
sullen pagoda
its more of a consistent dmg spec than bursty one
balmy condor
and it won't make a difference
hot stag
Im coming from ww monk so im kinda still getting used to not bursty class
stoic needle
Opener orders matter for monk because of the mastery, but they really don't for rogue. There is an optimal opener but it's a small increase overall
thorn plover
!guide
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mighty bolt
Hey guys, i'll probably start sire tomorrow, if i'll decide to go assa over outlaw, should i go for zoldyck leggo?
stoic needle
yes indeed
limber lion
I'm probably just gonna play with Doomblade myself
mortal tartan
what leggo for sin pvp?
green forge
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
strange python
tbh the opener is so fucking slow
its not a huge deal
just get your bleeds and snd up and gogogoogogog
balmy condor
it got buffed
versed mica
Weird question- Does human racial buff flag haste?
tribal marsh
vale zodiac
Would you say Dslice in sims is accurate for sin? I know it's good for outlaw and i dont see why it wouldnt be for sin as well but wanted another opinion from someone maybe sure about it
stoic needle
yeah dslice is accurate for sin
abstract fog
Hey, are you syncing your covenet ability with Vendeta? Pins says no, but wowhead says yes i think xD I get the logic on not syncing on ST in raids where fight is longer then 6 mins but what about m+?
solar flicker
where are u getting 6 min from
solar vortex
@balmy condor idk why you're flaming me, are there #s associated? Because all i see are words. It is obvious haste should be first. Stat Suggestions:
"Haste > Crit > Versatility > Mastery
Secondary stat priority can vary wildly from one character to another, this is only a rough guideline."
Did you read my question ? 😦
I haven't played in a long ass time, so if there are #s most people already know of and you're assuming i magically know them, i don't. I know you generally are just trying to be helpful, but it is not clear. Should i be aiming for 50% haste, or is 15% enough. Should I be balancing crit and verse, or is 0% vers/mastery fine? This is what i mean
balmy condor
you aim for what sims highest
because there are no breakpoints
and there are no magic numbers
solar vortex
there is no DR on stats anymore?
balmy condor
there is DR
but hitting the DR is very difficult
you'd need to be like 225+ ilvl to even have a chance of hitting it
literally just don't worry about it
and keep simming
solar vortex
okay, so essentially, correct me if i am wrong (outside of pvp of course), but mastery and vers are useless. Potentially I would want to get ONLY haste/crit on all my gear
balmy condor
no
solar vortex
well i am 225 i lvl LOL
balmy condor
asdfklj;sdj
you literally quoted the part that said "secondary stat priority can vary wildly"
solar vortex
you probably dont remember, i talked to you a couple days ago here. I came from Sub pvp. I never played assassin except back in WotLK
which is why i am an idiot
but trying to roll assassin to help my guild in raid to help them progress
balmy condor
haste and crit are good
vers is also good
mastery is good in aoe
so the idea is
there is good
and having more
is good
solar vortex
doomblade is best raid lego right? and i imagine scales better with the more haste you get because additional bleed dmg?
balmy condor
we don't use that cursed ass word
sour wraith
doomblade is good because more damage is good
sonic schooner
balmy condor
yep
solar vortex
lmao
okay, thank. Wasn't trying to come across dickish, im just overwhelmed coming back and talking it out helps me tremendously. So appreciate it
pvp is easy
balmy condor
number 1 thing
balmy condor
don't overcomplicate it
solar vortex
they die
balmy condor
there's so many people that try to overcomplicate it
and just go down a rabbit hole
of feelcraft nonsense
solar vortex
well i get that, i guess for context, the reason i ask is so i can target specific M+ gear to boost up to 220 outside of vault or haste/vers pvp gear
stoic needle
use droptimizer
balmy condor
there's droptimizer for that
solar vortex
im very new to using the simcraft tool.. droptimizer does what? lets me search any item or something?
balmy condor
you import your simc into it
sour wraith
tells you what you can focus on getting that will be an upgrade
for different types of content
balmy condor
and then tell it (in this case), to check all dungeon drops at 220 ilvl
and it'll go through and basically run a top gear sim, checking the value of each item
and then spit out a list of what items are the biggest upgrades at that ilvl
solar vortex
ohhhh wow
okay i did not know it could do that. awesome
would it make more sense to droptimze versus gear to target or weekly chest items to find BIS out of raid items?
nvm, i will just play around with it. thx
compact pumice
Like you sim what you get in the weekly chest but there's really no point in doing the droptimizer for 226 weekly because you can't really influence the items you will get. If you have a suspicion that there is nothing 226 that can come from dungeons, then I think doing a droptimizer 226 is worth it. Otherwise I'd say Top Gear when you've checked your vault and Droptimizer 220 for upgrading gear through valor (and droptimizer for a raid you're about to enter etc).
solar vortex
right right, i just meant so if something drops i already know its BIS, but i do know how to sim vault stuff with the window open
balmy condor
yeh, you can top gear your vault drops, if you have your vault open and /simc, it'll auto-add the items into the string
so
you do that
and then droptimizer 220 stuff
and that's basically good to go
you can also droptimizer raid stuff for like heroic
if you're looking to fill a slot
or see if there's sidegrades
that's good too
solar vortex
and also, is BIS conduits for raid for venth, Nadjia w/ flagellation and well placed steel?
kk kill do that
balmy condor
nadjia lashing scars and duelist
solar vortex
errr lashing scars lol yea
duelist ok
so double finesse
with quick decisions or something?
solar vortex
is the 3% siming higher overall versus +% damage when using shiv?
balmy condor
yes
solar vortex
intersting okay cool
compact pumice
Poisoned Katar does sim higher for constant multi-target but it's kind of misleading since there's not many points where that is happening
compact pumice
Well the important damage you do is to the shade anyway so it's not worth it there
and for m+ it's worthless when there's less than 4 mobs, which is a lot of the time
solar vortex
thanks for all the input guys you kick ass
and i figured out the droptemizer thing ❤️
time to start farming PF again for the trinket T.T
balmy condor
compact pumice
Been there, done that, GL mate
balmy condor
he's learning
compact pumice
solar vortex
is nadjia best for M+ as well? just swapping out finesse raid spec for double potency with Lethal poisons?
balmy condor
double potency nadjia and double potency theotar, as well as wasteland theotar, all fine
katar is good too
strange python
what, you guys farming PF for Phial? I thought everyone has it as 226. got it twice so far
/s (just in case)
balmy condor
spice spire
solar vortex
nah rogue is my 4th character atm, so didnt spend all expansion farming it 😛
and this is first week im even doing pve shit on him outside of farming for rep in maw lol
feral merlin
This is on RavenH site, is it still accurate and where does flagg fit (also with skulker?) Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
after setting up all dots/snd vendetta > shiv > vanish > mut > env
where does flagellation and skulker wing fit into that?
compact pumice
With MA (talent) opener is:
Muti > SND > Muti > Garrote > Flag > Rupture > Vendetta > Muti until Cap or cap-1 CP (4+ without DS and 5+ with DS) > Shiv > Vanish > Env > Muti until 4+/+ Env
swap muti for ambush if blindside procs
except during MA window
wide bolt
With MA (talent) opener is:
Muti > SND > Muti > Garrote > Flag > Rupture > Vende...
with the rupture and SND before the first vendetta do we cast them no matter what ignoring proper finisher rules
compact pumice
The way I learned it yes. But it should be a 5cp rupture unless bad luck. Snd literally doesn’t matter as long as it lives until the first envenom. A lower CP rupture is not as energy efficient as a higher CP one but does the same dps and it’s basically a race to pop CDs in the opener so makes sense to me as well.
graceful meteor
Quick question, if I want to use the Zoldyck legendary for mythics what is better for stats crit/mastery or crit/haste?
solar vortex
do we use CT instead of bomb in raid environment?
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
Quick question, if I want to use the Zoldyck legendary for mythics what is bette...
both are fine
solar vortex
ok, even in like a larger aoe or multi target scenario?
it was telling me to do it in sim i think
solar vortex
kk ty
and as venthr im supposed to take strategem over vigor?
because of venth haste?
balmy condor
yes
feral merlin
does cloak work for huntsman soak?
tawdry falcon
feral merlin
does feint mitigate SS?
balmy condor
not enough for you to soak it
feral merlin
oki thx
strange python
What’s the spell prio when running ct
stoic needle
maintain it like every other dot unless shiv is up
timber gale
any general tips for getting better at playing DS? I tried it over vigor and performed way worse in my keys but I wanna learn it
(even tho DS simmed higher)
torn atlas
any general tips for getting better at playing DS? I tried it over vigor and per...
Did you try simming mfd as well? Strange that DS is top there as I've always found Vigor/MFD to come out on top, though the more geared I get, the more sims are pushing towards mfd.
timber gale
Yeah I’ll try MFD - and whispyr I’m still new 😦 I’ve been timing all my 15s and loving the spec but as someone who’s never played rogue there’s just a lot of ‘do this at x haste’ ‘don’t do this’ ‘sim it’ w/o explanation, so I didn’t realize ds is supposed to be worse in keys. At least I feel better abt vigor performing better for me in practice?
I’ve been interested in mfd for flagellate burst so I’ll see what that’s like
I didn’t mean for that to come off as whining lol, I’ve just found a lot of resources to be low on context for certain talents so it’s been hard for me to grasp when/why
marsh yew
why is it that sometimes when people get crystalize on SLG that the meteor comes down way faster than it should? I've seen it happen 2 times in about 5-6 pulls.
fallow otter
I need proof
balmy condor
Yeah I’ll try MFD - and whispyr I’m still new 😦 I’ve been timing all my 15s and...
that's just not true though
we take vigor/mfd in keys, deeper in raids nowadays, and that's really all there is to it
sin is an INCREDIBLY easy spec
the biggest problem is actually people trying to overcomplicate it
and not actually people not understanding the complexity
you press your cooldowns as they come up, you pool on envenom in single target, take the talents that sim highest for your character, which will usually be the same ones that are in the pins, or on logs, or suggested in guides
and then just maintain a bunch of uptimes
be that garrote, rupture, slice, ct, envenom, elaborate planning, shiv
sterile sinew
has anyone seen this opener where people are pressing vendetta after their first cast of slice and dice
prisma crescent
sterile sinew
balmy condor
is that a meme I'm supposed to understand
subtle kiln
it removes the dead pooling space before garrote. doesn’t seem to really alter anything down the road.
like it’s been said. not too much you can do that’s going to drastically alter your life as assa
dense bramble
has anyone seen this opener where people are pressing vendetta after their first...
Maybe that's me 
sterile sinew
its more than one person
balmy condor
that's fine
sterile sinew
ye i dont think it matters that much
cerulean nest
studying up on sin after playing sub until now (need so much more haste gear lol) and the spec seems like....way easier than sub? or am I overlooking something
just as far as rotation
cerulean nest
lol there we go
like literally just refresh dots during pandemic and figure out a solid opener and otherwise just dump cps into envenom
thats pretty much the gist right? any optimal shiv timings or anything like that?
stiff tapir
I think I can get to about 20% haste with my current gear. Is that okay for raid / m+ or would you prioritize more crit for m+
balmy condor
thats pretty much the gist right? any optimal shiv timings or anything like that...
You hold shiv for up to 12 seconds to fit it into a vendetta, otherwise on cooldown
You sync sepsis/flag with vendetta if you won’t lose a cast because of it
You pool on envenom to about 30 from max
And aside from that
Nothing really
Sin in single target is brain dead easy
It gets a little more complicated in aoe and m+ with multi-dotting
But even then it’s just more dots
cerulean nest
You pool on envenom to about 30 from max
what do you mean by this
balmy condor
You pool energy before casting envenom
loud trench
Pooling: allow your energy to build (so stop casting energy spenders)
loud trench
Or cps*
cerulean nest
oh yeah, "on envenom" instead of "for envenom" made me think i was missing something
loud trench
Speaking of which, are you muting to 5 in DS, then shiv to enter the window at max or if you have 1 cp and shiv comes off cd is it not worth it to delay the shiv window while you mut to 5
I’m assuming there isn’t a massive difference between a 4cp envenom vs 5/6 and it’s not worth it to delay the window for a few globals?
balmy condor
Speaking of which, are you muting to 5 in DS, then shiv to enter the window at m...
You shiv on cooldown regardless of cp
balmy condor
Indeed
cerulean nest
so for each envenom i wanna cast i should wait until i have 30 from max energy?
seems like a lot haha
balmy condor
Outside of shiv/vend/flag yeah
balmy condor
Yeah you just pool on it for uptimes
And also getting more envenoms in shiv
And all that shit
torn atlas
sub has me tunneled into speed casting
This is a hard habit to break tbh. I still find myself punching buttons too quickly and making mistakes when it really doesn't need to be played that fast.
nocturne hawk
I think when you last simmed pooling vs slamming it was only ~30dps
strange python
Have you guys changed from Zoldyck to Doomblade for raiding?
I'm debating myself if it is worth the effort
manic harness
It is
cerulean nest
can anyone take a quick look at this and give some tips? literally my first attempt at sin and just wanna see whats bad/good. (ignore the opener the tank was dragging boss around)
shy dust
Have you guys changed from Zoldyck to Doomblade for raiding?
Well
It’s noticable more st damage so yes
strange python
Allright. Need to grind more soul ash before my guild starts raiding again. I'll wait near to next raid before building tho, since Bliz is notorious for changing things.
Thanks for the reply :>
torn atlas
Have you guys changed from Zoldyck to Doomblade for raiding?
General consensus seems to be Zold for prog, DB for parsing.
shy dust
No
It’s not generally zold for prog
It’s zold for sire
Because execute is very important
shy dust
Execute is not vastly important on every fight
This tier there is only one fight where execute matters the most
Sludgefist is an overall damage check not an execute phase check
unkempt ginkgo
is sin or sub better for council prog?
unkempt ginkgo
hmmk thats what i was thinking, attendant is reaching the bosses at like 50% hp still so
might go with sub
drifting cloud
thats pretty normal tho
unkempt ginkgo
ah thought it was supposed to die or almost die before it hits boss
fallow otter
What kinda numbers does zold do in P3 @balmy condor? Do you know
fallow otter
Top doom is 6.4 though
I was expecting you to say 7k haha
Let me have a wcl google
compact pumice
If you're talking overall then the reason to pick Zoldyck for sire is the damage to boss you can do in p3.
balmy condor
yeah I mean doom still slams
fallow otter
If you're talking overall then the reason to pick Zoldyck for sire is the damage...
My question literally says P3 :)
subtle tundra
well its kinda skewed when you look at logs like that
most of the good players are on farm kills and playing doomblade
most of the zold kills are probably on progress
fallow otter
Yeh that's the kinda numbers I was expecting
vestal wren
i think PB can be compatitive even in dungeon slice
ofc depends on your covenent/gear
compact pumice
You're not hitting remornia in p3 tho or am I missing something
subtle tundra
yoo good idea next week im playing vigor ct and try to pad
i got a question, on two target do i CT during vendetta + shiv?
balmy condor
yes
subtle tundra
ah so i've been doing that wrong on huntsman
fallow otter
You're not hitting remornia in p3 tho or am I missing something
I know how the fight works and no
compact pumice
My question literally says P3 :)
Then if Sim number are interesting at all my own sims jump about 300dps compared to Doomblade for p3. If you want actual numbers I'd go for wcl logs p3 only.
fallow otter
I am, but I'm not seeing a big diff atm
But kill times make a big diff
So I'm trying to line some up
Also.. If the group has like 4 boomies they all go in and convoke get to execute quicker etc
I don't know why I'm interested, I still have to get weapons and trinket on my monk lol
lofty shell
You're not hitting remornia in p3 tho or am I missing something
remornia shares health with denathrius so cleaving her is a good idea, afaik
fallow otter
Likely never get to swap to rogue for m sire farm coz im the only monk
limber lion
remornia shares health with denathrius so cleaving her is a good idea, afaik
Doesn't change the fact that you literally cannot hit Remornia in P3.
compact pumice
remornia shares health with denathrius so cleaving her is a good idea, afaik
Yes ofc, but that's for p2. Assass's strength with Zoldyck is to do as much damage as possible in p3. Which means going full ST for p3
lofty shell
o crap i thought u were going on about p2 mybad
compact pumice
People mentioning Crimson Tempest didn't help 😄
drifting cloud
nothing wrong with ct on farm
compact pumice
nothing wrong with ct on farm
You do whatever on farm right? Zold is mainly for progression is the consensus in here
fallow otter
Im assuming that fuu is just comparing CT to PB in a general aoe sense. No one is saying to go CT in P3, it's for the other phases, and I was just saying PB ain't gonna hit remmonia. But yeh not related
limber lion
But yeh, you can literally sim it yourself in raidbots.
compact pumice
But the numbers for Doomblade vs Zold on p3 is interesting, since first 10% of p3 is not Execute which might make Doomblade sim closer to Zold
limber lion
Use an execute patchwork of 3 minutes.
compact pumice
Dunno how you can sim 25% outside execute
limber lion
Feels better all together and u should still be top p3 dmg
Yeh I agree. More damage on other phases as well and helps with the adds.
daring plover
if u want more dmg other phase go ct : )
limber lion
I think you should play Doomblade until you wipe on last phase to the dps check.
fallow otter
Just play doom
Yeh I agree
limber lion
If you fail the dps check, then you can think about going Zoldyck. Shouldn't need to though tbh
fallow otter
Use an execute patchwork of 3 minutes.
My other thought is that another dot ticking while you can't dps is more dmg when you can usual dmg vs the execute, brings it closer than we would have thought in practice. P3 is kinda weird and depending on your comp might have to do some funky shit to survive some stages. Mind you rogue probably very straight forward
limber lion
Yeah you can use advanced sims to simulate very slight movement to imitate dropping orbs and getting knocked whilst in execute. But yeah, the doomblade damage is quite small and I'm pretty sure you'd get more downtime damage from Zoldyck than you would from Doomblade. ~50% of Doomblade's damage does come from the Envenom effect after all.
fallow otter
Yep true true
fleet anchor
I think you should play Doomblade until you wipe on last phase to the dps check.
I kinda would say the opposite tbh
I would use Zoldyck on Sire until you know you don't need it
Most first kills are pretty spicy
limber lion
Yeah, that's a fair point as well. I do think though that during progression it can be helpful to have extra damage on adds with Doomblade. If you can't get to P3 consistently, you don't really get much value from Zoldyck.
fleet anchor
Doomblade really doesn't have all that much value if I'm being honest on Sire. Other than it's better for parsing
limber lion
But then again the dps timers don't change then if you don't switch it up after a while.
And just stick to Zoldyck.
fleet anchor
Realistically the difference shouldn't be huge either way but I think it's good to just do anything to optimize for P3 on a first kill since that's mostly what matters
So many guilds with the sub-1% wipes on that phase for the first one 😄
limber lion
:p true
lavish jewel
Hey yall, recently swapped to venthyr on my assassination rogue alt and i had a question. In m+ as well on single target is it worth it to save flagellation for 30 seconds in order for it to line up with vendetta or is it more dps to use both of thsoe abilities off cd
fallow otter
After a while we realised that we need to optimise some builds for p2 so that we can funnel more CDs into P3. Mine for example, I hold for a short amount so I can double in P3. But to do this we needed to find more dmg in p2. By hunters focusing remmonia and going korayn for example
balmy condor
you're basically guaranteed to lose casts if you sync
sand gyro
I only sync Vendetta and Flagellation on opener, other than that just press Flag on CD before using a finisher
lavish jewel
conflicting answers huh
balmy condor
says the same thing
fallow otter
^
fallow otter
🤦♂️
lavish jewel
you said sync them in m+
sand gyro
I meant raid opener, can see you meant M+, yeah press Flag on CD
pure walrus
So you dont hold flag for vendetta during the fight?
dense hamlet
sync them in raid if u dont miss CASTS
fallow otter
Screenshot
balmy condor
I said the COMPLETE OPPOSITE
fallow otter
I demand screenshots
limber lion
So you dont hold flag for vendetta during the fight?
No
pure walrus
Which means use every thing on cd and dont let things sync?
balmy condor
correct
pure walrus
Ic, ty
lavish jewel
@balmy condor sorry im stupid lmao. I read the "use it if you dont lose casts, so in m+" and thought you meant you sync them in m+, didnt see the 2nd message cuz my eye balls go brrrrrrrbrbrbrbrr
fallow otter
Nah that's something else
sand gyro
It's early in the morning, reading is hard
lavish jewel
thank you for the help sorry that i cant read no bully plz 
sand gyro
I didn't read what u said properly either
misty holly
Whispyr (3/28/2021), "Wait until everything syncs."
dense hamlet
stoic needle
limber lion
It's the best
balmy condor
fucking whispyr did not say so
lavish jewel
hol up hol up. that image. is... is that a false statement?
limber lion
Context my boy.
balmy condor
its a meme
lavish jewel
i a m c o m p l e t e l e y l o s t
balmy condor
cause scaling is nonsense
dense hamlet
we scale with buffs
low girder
it's both a meme and also true
balmy condor
or whatever fucking word vomit nonsense people will try and shove down your throat
fallow otter
😋
lavish jewel
im sensing a lot of love here
balmy condor
patches balance and add things way to often
for any sort of scaling
to ever matter
low girder
also at least you're not currently dealing with deathly shadows nonsense
balmy condor
also at least you're not currently dealing with deathly shadows nonsense
it's true
misty holly
we don't scale worse than others
If you go to official forums thats all people say. Sin scales well so it will be good in X.3
dense hamlet
imagine being outlaw CF
stoic needle
You're sensing months of people having to repeat themselves
balmy condor
If you go to official forums thats all people say. Sin scales well so it will be...
oh I'm well aware
fallow otter
also at least you're not currently dealing with deathly shadows nonsense
Is that still goin?
dense hamlet
it always goes
balmy condor
people say that sin is doing well now because it scaled
in one patch
which is fucking what
low girder
Is that still goin?
it's worse and worse every day now that like 60% of the leaderboard is running it
arctic walrus
Yep scaled in the same tier
stoic needle
Bro the dude simmed 2 min beastlord to prove DS was best and then left the server
fallow otter
Bro the dude simmed 2 min beastlord to prove DS was best and then left the serve...
Hahah ikr
lavish jewel
hey gamers one more thing while im here, in m+ when running crimson tempest do you apply it to bosses or any other single target scenario for the bleed and further buffing envenom with the doomblade legendary or do you just use rupture and envenom
limber lion
hey gamers one more thing while im here, in m+ when running crimson tempest do y...
Yes outside of Shiv windows
fallow otter
I was full blown popcorn 
lavish jewel
@limber lion <3 thank you
stoic needle
Never in my life have I seen that level of pepega
fallow otter
Yes outside of Shiv windows
Stuff like this is so easy to code into your WA, switch your brain off
Sin fun like that
low girder
Bro the dude simmed 2 min beastlord to prove DS was best and then left the serve...
i missed this part, what the shit
brb
limber lion
and then just "whispyr said so"
I think part of the reason is because we only have 1 CF in #assassination so it's easy to just say that you said something. It's a lot harder in #outlaw to pinpoint who's saying what when there's 5 CF's. Even though most of the time the answer is Guy 
fallow otter
Seli v guy v solo
balmy condor
I think part of the reason is because we only have 1 CF in <#316923750073499648>...
yeah maybe idk
fallow otter
Who will reign supreme
limber lion
Stuff like this is so easy to code into your WA, switch your brain off
Yeah, assa is one of those specs that requires a good set of weakauras imo.
If you're trying to rock Sin without a good weak aura setup, you're pretty much doomed from the start.
balmy condor
although I am the only person, sometimes I wish people just wouldn't help, oddly enough
sometimes it feels like I have to end up doing more work fixing shit other people have said
limber lion
although I am the only person, sometimes I wish people just wouldn't help, oddly...
Dictatorship, we love to see it.
low girder
you'd have too much work regardless
limber lion
Yep
arctic walrus
sometimes it feels like I have to end up doing more work fixing shit other peopl...
Elaborate
limber lion
Oh shit.
fallow otter
Yeah, assa is one of those specs that requires a good set of weakauras imo.
A bunch very simple "if then" questions can some up a bunch of the decision making this true. Without getting carried away for sin, not goin full koji but just little things like showing empowered garrotes etc
shy dust
Assa isn’t complex enough to have questions and discussions
limber lion
A bunch very simple "if then" questions can some up a bunch of the decision maki...
I have no clue what you just said here, sorry buddy
shy dust
Like outlaw
limber lion
But yeah, I agree that you don't need to have a full sicko-mode weak aura pack to track every single little thing
fallow otter
Assa isn’t complex enough to have questions and discussions
Hahaha
limber lion
If that's what you're saying.
low girder
Assa isn’t complex enough to have questions and discussions
but do i shiv before or after flag
shy dust
Just send it
limber lion
but do i shiv before or after flag
I think Whispyr said to Shiv when sprint is off cd
low girder
shy dust
The story of assassination
balmy condor
Elaborate
random sin person, may it be streamer man, youtube man, or nobody discord man, answers a question. Answer is wrong, probably because they're overcomplicating, feelcrafting, and then giving it as though it were some hidden tech. Hidden tech then spreads, 34% achieved, we all go home
thorny plover
You have my sympathy
arctic walrus
It’s not about this spec not being less complex. All these specs are very bare bones in nature and have very little variance. However, what tends to happen is people who get random clout because they farmed keys in beta and have the ego and match brain cells of crusader they form an echo chamber of their own after seeing al their theories turned down by legitimate work rather than anecdotal evidence
fallow otter
I have no clue what you just said here, sorry buddy
Koji built a full rotation addon, so yeh I just mean not going that extreme. Just small things that most packs don't do, like the CT outside shiv window
balmy condor
macro it together
and idk where it came from
or who said to do it
but it just exists
arctic walrus
I mean can you blame them though
shy dust
It’s not about this spec not being less complex. All these specs are very bare b...
I mean outlaw has much more intricity and variance built into it
low girder
i wonder who vel could possibly be talking about
shy dust
That gives rises to the feels like opinions
arctic walrus
In a very long time had there come a time where you can actually free ball am ability press rather than holding it an extra 30 to sync
Even I was doing it
balmy condor
it was never a problem with sepsis, although they're the same cooldown, both do damage, give stats depending on soulbind
fae sync? I sleep
venthyr sync? HARD MACRO IT ALL TOGETHER
shy dust
Well just off reading the tooltip which seems stronger
low girder
also while i'm here, rae/vel i can just send the 2nd flag in p1 sire right
it'll be up for p2 add
arctic walrus
Yuh
low girder
kk
shy dust
Okay then it’s not
arctic walrus
arctic walrus
Asking me rogue advice on site
low girder
yeah
shy dust
I thought you said 2nd vendetta
fallow otter
P1 got worse and worse coz just as Im popping CDs, then 5s later is "stop dps" time
Feelsbadman
But hey, it's up for duskhollow
So I guess that's what's important
Sin has same timers for the most part?
fallow otter
Yeh we wasted like 2 nights to that bs
fallow otter
Gave up on theorised strat and made new soak
shy dust
Seeing if we could just kill time in time
fallow otter
Lol
shy dust
We wiped because we just froze for like 20 seconds
arctic walrus
We’re doing big soaks tomorrow
low girder
lmfao
arctic walrus
Dk presses epidemic and your computer gets a virus
low girder
fallow otter
Best is when it sorta works, next min, soaking lines during blood price in the air
fallow otter
Dk presses epidemic and your computer gets a virus
Earthen wall is band
low girder
spell queueing, version 2
fallow otter
Apart from the server lag, m sire is fucking awesome mechanically. I'm a huge fan
low girder
yeah i've only seen p1 but it looks good
shy dust
Fight is great
P2 is disappointing
But still fun
Because of how fast paced it feels
thorny plover
guides on pins updated regarding rotations/priorities?
limber lion
Yes
ornate lake
Anybody knows if assa rogue is worth bringing on sludge? Watching logs and ret pal is only melee above that. while we are above hunters & shamans. Or does being ranged outweigh the dps difference?
limber lion
Anybody knows if assa rogue is worth bringing on sludge? Watching logs and ret p...
If you have less than 4 melee, it is worth bringing. Any more than that can be a stretch.
balmy condor
guides on pins updated regarding rotations/priorities?
yup
thorny plover
ty
ornate lake
havoc + warr so far. So maybe i can make a point being put in there than
limber lion
Sure. Ideally you'd want a 4th melee with you then if you do go melee.
shy dust
If you have less than 4 melee, it is worth bringing. Any more than that can be a...
Not anymor
Sludge can be easily killed
With even 8 melee
Boss is very forgiving now with comp
limber lion
Eh maybe on reclears. Not sure I'd want to advertise going 8 melee for progression
It's still pretty tough for pool placement and positioning, even with most going ranged.
shy dust
Why not if they’re your best players?
fallow otter
havoc + warr so far. So maybe i can make a point being put in there than
What tanks
shy dust
Spreading is not particularly hard
limber lion
Is Sludge's aoe still bugged?
shy dust
No
limber lion
Sick, it was still bugged 3 days ago.
Sometimes it would be big and sometimes the new smaller one.
The slam that is.
limber lion
Alright good stuff.
low girder
that makes me very happy when i get to kill it once sire is dead
shy dust
We had 8 melee in and it still free
limber lion
Yeh, can't wait as well.
shy dust
The extra range on the chain just feels wrong lmao
limber lion
Makes sense. Well, as long as you have enough people soaking all of the boulders and no one gets dunked by rubble, then why not